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No. 451269

Honestly, this is so fucking depressing. And I see a bunch of people denying that this is something to worry about. Here I am, trying to reduce my environmental impact as much as I can, but let's be honest: that won't do nothing but make me feel better about myself when the world is ending. I'm just gonna keep on living and prepare for the worst.

No. 451270

Wasting my time trying to be zero waste and telling everyone about it while my sister has a 10 step Korean skincare routine and gets huffy if you criticize her because "you're shaming me for my FEMININE hobby but you never call MEN who are into cars wasteful".

And so we perish.

No. 451276

I'm native from Manaus and let me tell you, it's worst than it seems. The soil itself is very poor, so the flora feeds on itself (dead leaves, decomposing animals etc). The deforested parts can't recover, they just turn to desert, and the adjacent forest also starts becoming a desert.

GG guys we had a good run

No. 451277

>>451269
You should still do your part, recycle, carpool/walk/bike, and vote far left!

No. 451278

Fuck this gay earth and all the people on it we are a fucking pox that is killing the planet

No. 451280

>>451277
Yeah, I will definetly keep on doing that. I am trying to stop eating meat too, and also I will have no children. But for real, at this point the only way to stop this madness is to kill the ones responsible for that.

No. 451282

>>451280
not much else we can do but vote and consume as little as possible, I still want to have a kid though even if I probably shouldn't

No. 451284

>>451282
That'a right. And I have a thousand reasons to not have a kid, but even if i really wanted, i honestly don't think it is fair to bring another innocent child into this suffering. Adoption os different, though.

No. 451286

I've been looking for a reason to get into prepping for more than just entertainment purposes. Is this a sign?

No. 451287


No. 451289

Welp this came like sign to me that I should just end it all.

No. 451292

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Personally, I'm going to start a religious doomsday cult in Montana
>>451286
YES

No. 451293

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It was a pleasure to be in this sinking ship with you all

No. 451294

Is the fire accidental, because of the weather or it was done on purpose? Anyway to answer your question I'll just try to travel to Japan at some point and maybe also the US to fulfill my weaboo and americaboo dreams, play vidya and slack off.

No. 451296

>>451294
On purpose. This area doesn't have natural fires. And it was encouraged by the president.

No. 451297

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>>451292
I'm in. But only if you got a bunch of hot bearded dudes

No. 451298

>>451292
Kinda wanna do the same, but in Germany. We could do a crossover, what does your cult believe in?

No. 451299

>>451296
Not surprising, now corporations have more space do dump their trash or some stupid shit like that

No. 451300

>>451298
I'm in Germany too. Let's do it.

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No. 451302

>>451299
Even worst! Farmers are doing it, to raise cattle and plant soy. The thing is: no amazon rainforest, no rains (duh). If that shit keeps going the way it is, we will have a beatuful, dry desert in the middle of Brazil and no one will have water. Awesome!

No. 451303

Everyone's always talking shit about Trump, but can we start talking about the Brazilian president some more? He's a straight up idiot who only believes in money and nothing else. Trumps at least tries to hide it, that motherfucker doesn't even try

No. 451307

>>451298
their cult? you mean our cult fellow Germanon here

gonna meditate and practice buddhism and do as much activism, voting and protesting as I can

No. 451308

Meh, it never even started for me and i'm hopelss regardless so i'll be glad if the world ended instead of having to end myself tbh, but that's too good to be true, good would be some meteor wrecking all the shit, the actual apocalipse is just prolonged atrition, like in any country that has been comunist.

No. 451309

This depresses the fucking shit out of me. I can't stop thinking about all the animals that are dying and all the indigenous people who are losing their homes. For what? More burgers that first world countries with obesity problems don't fucking need? Humans never fail to disappoint me. I thought the world was changing but big, greedy farmers are pushing back twice as hard to protect their dying, archaic industry.

No. 451311

>>451307
I mean it's free for all

my only solace is that there are "good" people feeling the same pain and going through the same mourning and that we're doomed together. I'm gonna hug the shit out of someone today

Namaste bitches jk

No. 451312

This thread and its teenage hysterics unironically make me laugh.

No. 451315

>>451307
Damn, so many Germans on lolcow. Never knew

No. 451316

At this point, I think people who say "We're killing this planet" have too much hubris.
The earth will surely kill us before we can kill it. We've done far too much damage for it not to inevitably "return to sender".
Frankly, that's how it should be. This disgusting species should've gone extinct a long time ago.
I doubt we'll live to see the wastelands, and I don't think we deserve to.

No. 451321

>>451316
>This disgusting species should've gone extinct a long time ago
Agreed but I don't believe that the innocent, beautiful animals that had the misfortune of having to share this planet with us should have to suffer the same fate.

No. 451322

Imagine having the world end in your 20s. I really fucked up being born in 1998.

No. 451323

I honestly, seriously believe we should bomb the fuck out of the governments that do this shit. Kill the politicians that allow this. Rest of the world should band together and take down the bastards that are going to kill us all.

No. 451326

>>451321
I hate attitude like this

What have those uncontacted tribes done? What have indigenous people done? So because of western greed they should die with us? It's not my small country that has less people than the biggest metropolies in this earth that has shitted up the earth.

Misanthropes can start from themselves if they want humans to die, I want to live and I want my friends to live.

No. 451327

>>451316
humans in particular won't go extinct anytime soon, but quality of life is going to drop severely in the next century while we see tons of animals/plants die out.

No. 451329

>>451326
Exactly, these Westerners can easily epouse these shitty beliefs all over the internet because they were raised in a society to only fend for themselves and care about what they do and do only. Sadly, its the conditioning of their poison.

No. 451331

>>451321
#notallhumans

No. 451332

>>451322

I was born in the early 90s, the world was supposed to end in the year 2000 lol. Maybe millenials got conditioned to be dramatic and think like this because of Y2k.

No. 451334

feelings and hyperboles and jokes about global events of whatever scale are gay
t. internet senior

No. 451337

>>451332
everything that happened after 2000 feels like a dream, maybe its just because our childhood ended in the early 00's that a lot of us feel this way but I can't help but think a part of humanity died with the last breath of the 90's.

No. 451338

Maybe now people will start paying attention to what they've been denying for decades.

Lolol jk

No. 451339

>>451323
Its not governments its corporations, they just pay the government to get away with this shit because that's how capitalism works. If the government served the peoples interests we wouldn't be in this shit.

No. 451340

Once the end times come my biggest concern is medication. Once everything goes to shit it isn't the big corporations that die, but the diabetics, mentally ill people dependent medication, AIDs, and Any other condition or disease that needs medicating. To put that in context 1.25 million americans have type 1 diabetes. Once the end times hit that's 1.25 million people who will simply hit the coffin. No matter how hard they try if they don't get amy medication they'll die. I'm slightly jealous of preppers because my diabetes cuts my survival chance down. I cant even stock on insulin. I like on burgerland its to expensive

No. 451341

>>451338
The fires are started by people, though.

No. 451342

>>451340
I don't mean to sound like a r/thanksimcured post but have you tried completely eliminating all sugars and carbs because I've known diabetics to continue eating carbs even though it turns to sugar anyhow.

No. 451343

>>451332
The 21st century has been garbage. Even shit like feminism and other social and political movements got worse and stupid as fuck by the 21st century.

No. 451344

Its okay. On the one side of the planet the rainforest goes up in flames. In China they plant huge amounts of trees.

The economy is getting less and less dependable on carbon emissions as well while it still manages to grow. Recycing for many producs is a well established practise and with time it will gradually get better.

Sunpower released their latest 400 Watt solar panel for private use. Looking back 10 years you had panels with around 220 Watt. And they had more wear and tear and a worse performance with increasing temperature.

Getting a little better day by day

No. 451346

>>451337

Off topic but i wonder how early 00s nostalgia would be like. 2000-2010 was such a dead zone compared to the 80s and 90s. Like even us who had our childhood/teenage years in that decade prefer 90s stuff. And 2010-2020 is just depression memes and constant cynicism because everything about the 00s have been cringe so far.

No. 451347

>>451342
NTA but I was born to a diabetic mother and I am wondering if thats the reason why I have a hyper sensitivity to carbs that makes me gain a shit load of weight if I eat over 20g of them. I think carb sensitivity and insulin resistance is going to become extremely common in the next generations and it doesnt help heavy carbs and sugars are being used more in foods. People are going to be so fat and unhealthy in 30 years.

No. 451348

>>451326
>>451329
Honestly, as a non-western person (I know "as a [x]" posts sound dumb as shit, but I don't really want to state my country because I'm paranoid), I think humans are just cruel and horrendous. There are no real innocents on a group scale (although there are good/innocent individuals), just different measures of bad.
Animals are routinely treated like shit, and people are still wasteful and disrespectful to nature in tiny countries and indigenous communities. There are still trash heaps, things still get uselessly burned or contaminated, innocent animals are still killed for being "cursed" or "witches in disguise".
Humans downgrade everything they touch, without fail. The most beautiful landscapes are ones empty of man for a reason.
Of course, westerners are the worst about it when we actually measure the damages, because they're enabled to do that kind of thing comfortably, but I'm under no delusion that it's all just a matter of culture, and that something about us is inherently opposed to that same kind of evil.
I try not to be like that or contribute to it, but I know the vast majority of people don't give a shit and never will. It'd be nice if there was a plague that took only bad, uncaring people, but since that probably won't happen, I'm fine with just cancelling the entire race.
We, even in our indigenous communities and tribes, can't even uniformly be humane and kind to each other (see: FGM, rape, child marriage and exploitation under the guise of "apprenticeship" as a traditional practice eg bacha bazi, a similar practice I can't remember the name of concentrated in a SEA country and others derivatives, etc), so how can I expect us to care for other species or our surroundings if we're given the helm?

No. 451350

>>451348
Yeah but being even more misanthropic and hateful is not going to change shit.

No. 451354

>>451346
I know some anons get triggered by that here but I include the mid 60s and 70s with that too. People forget 60s and 70s made progress with blacks and women and had extremely good progress socially happening as well as a lot of progresses in humanity, art, and creativity. The 2000s and 2010s has been a big fat clown world honestly.

No. 451356

>>451348
It's just ignorance to assume people all over the world aren't greedy and uncaring. Sort of a "noble savage" idea people have.

No. 451358

>>451332
>>451337
the turn of the century was a meme. hyperboles are a thing, you know or feelings. but can't have that on lolcow.farm and older generations tend to become dismissive and patronising as they do. especially desensitised hardened internet cunts. whatever is up with younger generations? they're retarded - someone 500 BC

No. 451359

>>451350
I just don't see anything wrong with naming the problem. It'd be nice if all the good people survived, but as it stands, too many of us are just bad. Some are worse than others, but honestly? Bad.
Only placing blame on specific groups from certain parts of the world just feels like a distraction from the ugly truth about humankind. There's something fundamentally wrong with us on a collective level, and I don't know how we can fix it.

No. 451360

>>451356
Yes human beings are corrupted and have many flaws, but you know

No. 451362

>>451359
No you are right there is something wrong with us on a fondamental level and religions have been remarking that since forever. Christianity which influenced Western civilisation is one that acknowledges this fact and is actually the central part of the belief. Its only recently Westerners want to believe in the noble savage and act like there are purely good people everywhere but where they live, or something.

No. 451363

>>451342
Were they type 1 or type 2? Type 1 can't eat anything that turns to sugar because they have no insulin. Type 2 can eat things that turn to sugar, but have a hard time because they have insulin resistance. Type 1 diabetics can eat sugar because of artificial insulin. Once they have no artificial insulin they die. Even if I live low carbs I have to have a diet of 100% meat and even 0 carb still produces some sugar. If it was that easy Id already switch.

No. 451365

>>451354
I was only self aware for half of the 90's and it was better than coming of age in the 00's, I can't fathom what it feels like to be born in the 00's. Sucks to be those guys.

No. 451366

>>451303
Him and trump are cut from the same terrifying cloth, arguing who is worse is just a distraction.

Bolsonaro is destroying the rainforest like its nothing, he cares so little about his country and less about the world. He called for less gun control as a way to stop gun violence, he says the American style of mass shootings is only increasing because people can't defend themselves.
Bonus fact, he said he would rather have a dead son than a gay son.

No. 451367

>>451344
>In China they plant huge amounts of trees.

Nice propaganda. The Chinese are the ones paying for lumber from these forests that are intentionally being set on fire.

No. 451368

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Pic related is São Paulo at 3 PM. The fire is so bad it plunged a city 2000 miles away in darkness at 3 PM!

No. 451371

>>451340
tfw i'm going to suffer a painful and slow death the moment something crazy happens and i have no insulin stocks

No. 451372

>>451365

Here in Venezuela 1999 might as well have been the end of the world, Chavez got into office that year, indeed i feel really sad for kids born at 2000, its all they have known. Thanks, vene-boomers.

No. 451373

>>451362
It's just a direct reversal of the racism enacted and pushed for so long IMO. When you're fed one kind of bullshit for generations, you might start to think you'll "get it right" if you just flip it around completely, but since you're still viewing things from that reductive, myopic "all or nothing" lens you had beaten into your head from infancy, you just end up in the same pitfalls.
It'll probably take a while for a lot of western and western-educated people to get around to hating everyone without thinking they need to either uphold white supremacy, or follow the "noble savage" trope. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but there is (currently) no "correct" way to be a human. Most of us are just fucking wrong from birth, and the truly decent ones are a minority who are pretty much never the leaders. The only real cure is non-existence, or some kind of all-powerful algorithm that spots which humans are shit, which ones are salvageable and which ones are good, then quietly "does away" with the shitty ones, places the good ones in power and allows for the salvageable ones to be taught to be good.

No. 451375

>>451363
No idea, but I know that eating a better diet can only help and if your diabetes is in any way manageable than its worth a try. If it isn't I'm sorry that really sucks.

No. 451376

>>451348
>>451356
I'm sorry that you are surrounded by shitty people but I know many caring and amazing human beings.

Do people do tons of horrible stuff? Yeah of course, but I still wont have this fucked up attitude that we all deserve to die because of the bastards. Fuck off and kys if you feel like it but don't take your self hatred on others

No. 451377

>>451376
I don't want people to die. Just pointing out that non-westerners aren't immune to greed.

No. 451379

>>451375
Eating a better diet can help, but it doesn't fix th3 fact one needs insulin 24/7

No. 451381

>>451376
Okay, anon. Come back when you've tallied up how many people are caring and amazing like you and your friends, then draw a comparison to how many people are just complete shit who do bad things.
Factor in all the caring, amazing people who were victimized by the latter group to the point of being killed (and thus not being enabled to teach and spread their goodness to future generations or the people around them) or becoming bad themselves under the mistaken idea that it's how they're "supposed" to be, or to just flat-out survive in an environment of horrible people. How many of the good people have even been given a chance to save the world, and out of those who have, how many of them haven't had their efforts completely trampled on by bad people time and time again?
It's not self-hatred, because I'm not one of those people, and I don't think most of the people who say these things are. I just recognize that they dwarf us all, they probably always have, and that they will continue to dwarf us. The only way to put a stop to it is just ending it all, or some hyper-intelligent disease wiping out all the horrible people. Since the latter most likely won't happen, the former is our best bet.
There's nothing wrong with not wanting to die, but if we're being brutally honest, it's out of our hands. There is no ethical argument for this. If the species goes, it's for the good of the planet. Until there is some infallible way to get around this, that's that.

No. 451384

>>451381
There are certainly cultures that are less spiritual, religious, and more disrespectful of earth and chasing blind greed than others though.
Also humans are better when they are more humble and less in a position of power and that is a fact

No. 451385

>>451377
That's not what I meant originally, what I meant that uncontacted tribes and so on aren't the ones who are fucking up the earth environmentally so why would they have to pay for it.

Also, if we want to speak about morals and about those uwu cute animals, how far do we take this? Dolphins for example might be self aware, they are intelligent animals and complete bastards. Should we kill them all since they might have enough awarness for themselves to know that they might realize they are being bad to others? What about orcas or chimpanzees? Elephants? Do only stupid animals who only act on instinct deserve to live?

>>451380


I'm incredibly flawed human being. I'm often a total bitch, I'm the type of person many people think should die since people consider me nothing but a good for nothing drug addict. Maybe that's what I am! I have done and said horrible things during my life, horrible things have been done and said to me. I actually have been suicidal for most of my life last time I wanted to kill myself was yesterday lmao.

And yet, I was born here. I am alive. Humans as a species aren't evil or good, we just exist. Some do bad things with their existance, some don't. I'm one million of a chance of life that happened. I have entire unique space inside of me. And yet in my uniqueness I am the same as others, just like everyone else is a weird coincidence that happened with their own unique space inside them. I guess I don't exactly deserve nothing life or death, I just exist and breathe and think.

No. 451386

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>one of the most vital ecosystems in the world
>entrusted to huezilians

what did anyone think was going to happen?

No. 451387

Western countries like Germany were the ones trying to prevent this whole situation with the Amazon Rainforest from happening. What have the Brazilians been doing about this?

No. 451388

Bolsanaro is a white man…literally on wiki it says he's Italian and German.

No. 451389

>>451385
Why are humans such special beings from any other animal but find their existence a coincidence? I dont get it.

No. 451390

Keep living my life because getting myself worked into a frenzy isn't useful for anything.

All this fear mongering does is keep people down and discourage them from trying to make a difference. If you don't see the point in anything, why try?

Yes, the planet is being destroyed and we might not see change in our lifetime but that's all the more reason to try to be a better person.

No. 451391

>>451389
We're not. We're animals among others. So if we want to talk about morals, do other intelligent animals deserve to die too since they might realize what they are doing is wrong and might have moral thinking themselves? Or is this just reserved to humans?

No. 451393

>>451391

How are we not special? Because society brainwashed you into this nihilistic and self hating misanthrophic thinking for the past century?

No. 451394

>>451388
Yes, and? What’s the entirety of South America doing about this fire?

No. 451395

>>451393
Lmao fuck off. How is it nihilistic to think we're animals among others?

No. 451396

>>451394
posting a meme blaming the fire on the natives and not their fascist leader is a bit disingenuous

No. 451397

>>451388
>huezillians
>white

le 56% face intensifies

No. 451399

>>451280
i dont see the point in having children at this point, yet half my coworkers each have 3-4 kids. it's the worst

No. 451403

>>451393
Also, how is our existence not a coincidence? Of course if you believe in god I can't argue with you there, but I don't. Just because we just happened to be born here by coincidence doesn't make our existence less meaningful. Just because we're animals among others doesn't make our existence less meaningful. Obviously humans hold a special place on earth by how much power we have over other animals, but in the end, we're here together, we happened to be born here and we eat and shit and piss and think and live and die.

And it's beautiful! Even if life didn't have a special meaning in it it doesn't make it less beautiful! Even if when I watch sunset or sunrise and it wasn't some cosmic message for me, it still is amazing

No. 451404

>>451387
>>451387
>>451386

Same thing with Venezuelans and the Orinoco, its the Chinese and the venezuelan government who are absolutely wrecking the shit out of it thanks to new very corrupt deals. Look into Arco Minero.

The Bolivar state is an amazonian state and its been taken over by mafias and guerrillas who run the mining and they are devastating it with zero regard to common sense.

No. 451406

>>451384
Some are definitely worse than others, I agree. I just don't believe we have some overwhelming good in us that can rescue things at this point. The rot has taken away too much already, and even in the less bad cultures, there is still rot, so where is the stronghold?

>>451385
I get what you're saying, but at the same time, none of that should come at the expense of the entire planet. It's not fair to animals, to nature, to the world. Maybe if more of us weren't destructive, it'd be okay, but it's just not like that.
We've revoked our right to exist for two reasons: 1) the evil festering among us 2) the non-evil not managing to stop the evil.
Other species have struck a balance with their own existences and haven't caused this much damage, so what's our excuse? We're just too smart? If so, how come our big brains have done immeasurably more harm than good, and why is this justified? What do we bring to the table, other than standing there, serving "uniqueness" and looking pretty while we set the world on fire for selfish reasons?
Something's got to give.

No. 451407

>>451386
Lol 70% of the amazonian land belongs to foreigners, destroying the rain forest is a group effort anon


>>451399
Yeah, I used to have doubts about the ethics of having children but now I'm convinced it's unethical to bring new life into this dying world.

No. 451409

Anyone who cares about this at all should at the very least try to stop eating meat or red meat in particular. Ridiculous to see the virtue signalling on Twitter from people who don't know that the majority of amazon deforestation is for factory farming and soy production for cattle.

No. 451410

>>451396
lol implying some monkey globo-capitalist muppet is actually a fascist

The Nazis and Italian fascist had some of the strictest environmental regulations and animal welfare laws in history.

No. 451411

>>451396
It’s not a single president setting fires in the woods. The citizens of Brazil and its surrounding countries need to do more about this besides crying about it on the internet two weeks after it began. America isn’t going to swoop in to help every global disaster.

No. 451412

>>451406
But the thing is, there is lot of people why are trying to stop it! There are any people trying to stop this planet from dying.

No. 451413

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Just found this picture someone snapped of Bolsonaro just before he started the fire. I can't believe that dastardly bastard would sneak away from his office just to cause some mischief in the Amazon.

No. 451414

>>451410
go fap to nazi's on 4chan scrot

No. 451416

>>451401
source?

No. 451419

>>451406
And we don't owe anything for anything. Just like the world doesn't owe us anything. If we go extinct then we do, but I just don't believe we deserved it as species. It's just a thing that happens, but if we can stop it, we should. We just are here.

No. 451420

>>451414
I understand you're frustrated. We blew it. One chance for utopia and it went down the drain. I heard they were planning to tackle the global overpopulation problem too.

No. 451421

>>451419
(though of course by this I don't mean that since we don't owe anything to anything we should just go and shit up everything, no)

No. 451424

>>451412
The problem is, they're losing, and the system built by the selfish people of the world is making it even harder for them.

>>451419
But why wouldn't we deserve it? We're the only ones fucking up this badly. There are millions upon millions of living things in this house, and we're the ones that make trouble.

No. 451426

>>451424
if we stop consuming so much and grow our own food and conserve energy that literally solves 99% of our problems. Its not some good vs evil shit, its about educating everyone else around you to vote for socialist policies and consume less.

No. 451427

>>451424
So because the evil is apparently stronger it should win? What fucking logic is that?

And again, I don't reserve the right for myself to say that millions of people deserve death because of some people's actions. You might want to ride that high horse but I don't.

No. 451428

>>451312
I truly hope that in 30 years we'll be looking at this the way we look back today on the Cold War and the Nuclear Fear etc but I'm cynical. This is my first post ITT but I understand all the fellow scared anons. Do you believe in climate change at all? Because if not, I won't even engage with someone as brainrot as you.

>>451332
I mean besides some Old Wive's Tail there wasnt any "reason" the world was supposed to end in y2k. Here there is factual scientific evidence we've done irreversible dammage. Not the end of the world per se, but certainly the end of the world as we know it (and its gonna be so much worse).

No. 451430

>>451426
It has to be a group effort, though, and a lot of people just refuse to listen because, like I said, they are selfish. We can start a nice little commune of people who aren't contributing to destruction, but the rest of the world will mock us as and happily keep on destroying (and this is a best case scenario - in a worst case scenario, they'll deliberately try to fuck us over out of spite/malice).

>>451427
It won't win, because it'll be killed along with its potential to spread.
>some people
This assumption by itself, especially boldly in the face of what's actually going on, is actually a high horse made out of human selfishness and pride, lol. We certainly don't deserve to live more than the entire world just because we're all unique and special.

No. 451431

>>451420

Corporatism is legit as retarded as economical system as you can get. Its basically statism with centralized planned economy and state monopolies except some corporations stay private and get free money and subsidies non stop from government to operate with zero competition. Its the ultimate corruption scheme, is like the worst traits of capitalism and soviet style communism, a complete marriage of government crooks with corporate crooks, you never even had a chance to make anything remotely good.

No. 451433

>>451426
It's really just about the type of consumption. People like to complain about capitalism but then go and directly support these greedy corporations by buying burgers. Brazil's #1 export is soybeans(for cattle), the number one meat processing company is a Brazilian company named JBS. Of course they're going to be in the pockets of the politcians, encouraging local farmers to light the amazon on fire just so they can grow more feed for cattle.

No. 451435

>>451430
Why do you think that humans deserving to live eans entire world dying? We deserve to live, but of course in a way that the earth can live with us. You yourself are aking assumptions of what I mean though of course my ESL is showing a lot in this thread.

And what I want by being unique and special is that we're not special in a sense because everything is that. Do you get me?

No. 451436

>>451430
its harder to do this shit in the I.S. because we all hate each other and racism and political division has just gotten worse or at least not any better. Good luck convincing a bunch of libertarians or conservatives to give a shit about the world outside their hentai porn or that a scary brown person isn't going to attack them if they leave their rooms.

No. 451437

>>451433
which is exactly why blaming a bunch of poor farmers taking orders to start the fires is stupid, the consumers and the profiteers are the problem

No. 451438

>>451395
>>451395
Okay keep having this view you're nothing but an unimportant sack of meat and then wondering why you and a whole generation feel so depressed and directionless in life lmao

The truth is right there

No. 451439

>>451438
Why my existence being coincidental makes it unimportant? Why being unimportant would be a bad thing? It doesn't make me less exixtant or less alive

No. 451441

>>451403
I don't agree with that it's a coincidence in general and I have seen patterns of that thinking generally leaving to the undervaluing of human life in general, and the degradation of yours and others, but at least you admit there's a beauty in it. The soul and art and its crafts have been missing from the 21sr century which is why it's so easy like fags in power who do pic related get voted in by apparently post progressive people and can easily do this shit because the mentality of eh who cares anyway, right?

No. 451442

>>451412
They're losing because the only ones that get a platform are the lefty cowards who only care about the environment because its another thing that makes them seem like the good guys. Their childish "wouldn't it be nice" political stances are just too contradictory to what we would need to preserve the environment. They won't dare address overpopulation because they can't pin the blame on white people.

No. 451443

Anti-natalism is the only solution. To save the Earth, we must stop breeding.

No. 451444

>>451439
If it's unimportant than why does racism matter, why does protecting kids from abuse and rape matter, why does protecting women matter? And why does your feelings and family matter?

No. 451446

>>451441
of course there's nihilists and psychopaths in this thread shrugging off death and murder because of 'overpopulation'. These nihilists are welcome to yeet themselves first, but I'd rather make some effort and hold out for hope like an actual human.

No. 451447

>>451443
I see this said but what do anti natalists do other than conform to the narrative about humanity that been subtly pushed about us since the 20th centuty? I don't see the difference between those in the op who support this shit and do it, or ignore this, or this philosophy. It feels to me neither will be helpful or what we need

No. 451448

I live in a country that contributes about 0.1% of the carbon in the air despite having a population in it's 100 millions and we already see literally 1000s of people die due to the heatwaves in one of the major cities. A major reason to fucking hate the West more than I already do in my book, with the addition of mentally disabled Western teenagers bitching about a 45 degree in Europe being deadly while it's a good May in my country currently speaking. The US contributes more to climate change per capita and fuck all of you.

No. 451449

>>451441
Again, what makes coincidence a bad thing? I don't think my life being a coincidence makes it worse or lesser. I wasn't a planned child, is my life less than those who's parent planned their kids? No.

>>451444
Because even if our lives didn't hold some cosmic importance, we're still alive and feeling things. We can be hurt, we can be happy, we can be sad and no one has the right to hurt others and cause them harm. Even if in thousand years no one even knew I was here it doesn't mean I should be hurt, even if no one knew black people or women ever existed they shouldn't be hurt for those things.

No. 451450

It is too late to turn back now so reducing, reusing, recycling is useless. We need to focus on survivalism, protection and hoarding wealth when the inevitable comes and our lives get much harder.

No. 451452

>>451446
It called being detached from other humans and isolated by birth. They need to unironically wake up because this is the kind of shit that's been exactly being pushed for this purpose. It's a passive self defeating view that does nothing productive, how do we fight or protest those ruining or world if we say oh fuck it anyways? Everyone in this current gen has this mentality some way or the other and it's not doing shit other than being cynical and self aware

No. 451453

>>451450
Hoarding wealth wont do shit when most of the worlds economy is in crisis unless you're hoarding food

No. 451454

>>451449
I think I was confused by another anon since it seems like it's 3 people here

No. 451455

>>451446

If anything nihilistic fedora tipping is THE ideology that The Man™ wants you to have. Its just so convenient when the population hate themselves, are materialistic and take for granted that nothing is worth any effort beyond pointless virtual world discussions about microagresions and lgbt awareness in corporate branding.

"be edgy, consume and die, you are little and dont matter, im a pickle, morty, a pickle!"

No. 451457

>>451346
I have nostalgia for the early 00s all the time, I miss the goofy massive tshirts on dudes and whale tails on girls and a time when we were all getting online more but without it being as massive and all encompassing as the internet is today…idk shit like that? that's just me though lol

No. 451458

>>451437
Exactly. To be fair, they assassinate any journalists and indigenous people who try to make it to the media anyway. It's easy to be manipulated into thinking a few farmers are the problem when it's the entire political climate and eating habits of our society.

>>451442
Blaming overpopulation is a weak argument. US and Australia has the highest rates of meat consumption and waste. They are first world countries. It might be easy to think you can blame China and India but it's actually processed food and fast food and the caloric excess that have us in this mess.

No. 451459

>>451454
Yeah I thought it's kind of funny that you would talk to me about nihilism when it's been e who's been screaming with my poor emotional affected english skills in this thread how humans should die

No. 451460

>>451459
SHOULDN'T*

No. 451461

>>451453
Hoarding wealth meaning weapons, ammunition, land, food, clothing, resources like that. Money will become obsolete.

No. 451462

>>451457
The Internet was a useful tool and a quirky fun thing to use once in a while. Now it has ruined human socialization and it is an ingrained part of our life.

I miss the 00s too. My favourite decade because it was the only decade I was self aware enough and the world wasn’t like this.

No. 451463

>>451431
Central planned economy is the only way to stop crony capitalists from ravaging Earth's ecosystems for a quick dollar. Capitalism needs to be tempered with a heavy hand if it is to be sustainable.

>inb4 socialism


Look at the environmental track record in the USSR and China.

>inb4 communism


In an actual stateless society who would protect the environment? If all nations were to be abolished, what would stop local worker's communes from clear cutting forests or dumping nickle oxide in rivers?

No. 451465

>>451458
I'm just tired of racist westerners blaming the 3rd world countries for being polluters when guess how much meat they consume? How often do they recycle? Whens the last time they rode a bus? People living in poverty aren't exactly the biggest consumers of meat and are more likely to actually reuse plastics and other garbage westerners usually just toss.

No. 451466

>>451448
what country?

No. 451468

>>451463
Socialism doesn't equal the USSR, the USSR was an imperialist and expansionist empire run by a paranoid schizo named Stalin (but in its latter years it really wasn't so bad ask a soviet pensioner). Socialism is literally using peoples taxes to better social causes like healthcare and education. Anyone against that is crazy.

No. 451469

>>451463

>Muh crony bureaucrats > muh crony capitalists

>Look at the environmental track record in the USSR and China.

No shit, a central planned economy worked wonderfully for them.

No. 451471

>>451468
Socialism is the worker's owning the means of production. Taxing the profits of capitalism for public services isn't socialism.

No. 451472

>>451457

But aren't baggy shirts a thing from the 90s though?

No. 451473

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>>451465
>more likely to actually reuse plastics and other garbage westerners usually just toss

No. 451475

People are really going to have to kill the dream of owning real estate here in the U.S. I live in an area with a lot of protected land but there aren't enough affordable homes for everyone. I used to hate nimbyism but I kind of get it now that I live on an older home surrounded by protected land and trails that developers are always scoping to build on..

No. 451476

>>451344
There's really no point in reasoning with these anons. Being the unstable drama queens they are they feed off their doomsday scenarios. It's also beneficial for them to just be lazy fucks because "hurr there are more important things than self improvement and actually getting shit done, haven't you heard the planet is dying and it's everyone else's fault???". Live your life. You're not going to wake up tomorrow and the world has gone up in flames. Eco-friendly solutions are being implemented and researched all the time.

If you unironically believe in all the "we will be extinct in 10 years" prophecies then you might as well KYS to speed it up.

No. 451478

>>451473
Who produces the plastics moron? Western companies want these people consuming they don't give a shit what happens as a result.

No. 451479

>>451471
it certainly is here in the u.s. where anything left of far right is communism

No. 451480

>>451476
I figure half are eco-fascists who are more fascist than eco-friendly..

No. 451481

>>451447
what narrative?? since the beginning of time, reproducing has been a priority of the human civilization.

No. 451482

>>451478
Are they incapable of disposing of their plastic trash? How convenient to blame everything on the bad westerners…

No. 451483

>>451478
? I thought you said they all were reusing plastic instead of tossing it

No. 451484

>>451482
westerners seem to get a kick out of mining the earths resources, profiting off them, then pointing fingers at them for doing what you wanted in the first place. How about funding education efforts and environmental groups to make a positive effort instead?

No. 451485

>>451479
Yes, I won't deny that Americans do that

No. 451486

>>451483
I know a lot of immigrant families reuse old containers and plastics all the time as well as thrift or mend clothing, all the American families I knew threw shit away and shopped endlessly.

No. 451488

>>451481
Why are we ignoring the narratives and messages put in the media to a long time? Consumerism and hyper captialism combined with hyper individualism produces naturally nihilistic and anti natalist mindset because of the reactions and effects it does.

No. 451489

>>451476
Why should people kill themselves just for being nervous and afraid ?

No. 451490

>>451484
You think westerers are the only ones mining the Earth's resources? Wake up and realize your shit stinks as well.

No. 451492

>>451488
Oh and society
Like IDK man I don't see this nuclear family and have a bunch of kids promotion. In fact work culture and what I said goes against that even tho theoretically it should promote it but actually it doesn't. It's not the 50s anymore

No. 451493

>>451488
Consumerism doesn't produce anti-natalist mindset. Natalist mindeset produces consumerism.

No. 451494

>>451466

Pakistan. It's a shithole too poor to either affect the climate or do anything about it. The West gets a bad PR rep here and I'm not going, "OMG we're gonna kill u assholes and wage war and rape you all and blah blah blah" but I do predict a bunch of religious dumbasses might genuinely believe this and have their violence exacerbated.

No. 451495

>>451490
I'm not blaming westerners as the absolute sole cause of global warming related disasters but at least when it comes to agricultural related fires I'm going to take a big guess and say the U.S. and Europe are the biggest consumers of meat in the world..

No. 451496

>>451443
Only a small percentage of the world's population can do that. You're not going to be able to convince religious people trying to spread their cult to stop giving birth. Same for women in developing countries who are under pressure to have multiple sons so that one will live long enough to take over the family farm. Same for women in disadvantaged areas who marry young for a better life and start having kids young.

The only people who can afford to stop having children are educated, wealthy women and they don't have a high birth rate anyway because they marry and have children later in life.

No. 451497

>>451493
humans have lived without shopping, cars, and modest diets before, we can probably do it again

No. 451498

>>451497
This. Humans have lived here thousands of years, did humans hurt the earth when we were just farming in our humble villages or when we were just bunch of hunter gatherers? That's why I think saying humans as species is bad for earth is stupid, we have co-existed with earth before. Why can't we do it again? And by this I don't mean that we gotta go living in mud huts and so on

No. 451499

Anti-natalists are just as bad at this point as the people who pressure you to have kids. I'm going to have a kid out of spite.

No. 451501

I honestly am out of fucks to give when it comes to climate change. My husband and I are militant in our refusal to bring another poor child into the world to have to deal with it, but that's about the extent of how much of a damn I give anymore. I honestly don't see human extinction as a bad thing at all and my "carbon footprint" isn't going to do jackshit to change anything when giant corporations have a free pass to destroy the planet as much as they like as long it continues to be profitable. We as individuals have no power to stop what's happening besides voting for candidates who want to reign in the capitalists more, but realistically that's all we can really do. All the other shit to "lower our impact" is just giving us a false sense of power and comfort. It's like eating better to try to treat cancer. Yeah, it's great you're eating better, but you have fucking cancer.

>>451321
>animals
>innocent
Animals rape, murder, and mutilate each other all the time. People who act like animals are soooooo precious but think humans are totally expendable and should go extinct are extremely irrational.

No. 451503

>>451409
>not eating meat will save the planet
Don't be a retard. Raising livestock is an important part of land management because using land for pasture replenishes the soil. Using land for plants constantly doesn't work because plants take nutrients from the soil. If everyone only ever ate plants the soil would become depleted. Then because there is no nutrients in the soil, the people eating the plants would become nutrient deficient because there is no nutrients in the plants. Eventually crops would fail to grow and there would be a world food shortage. Using more synthetic fertiliser isn't the answer because it would create even more pollution through contamination of groundwater and soil acidification.

The answer isn't to stop eating meat, it's to stop eating cheap factory farmed meat and eat smaller amounts of pasture raised meat.

No. 451504

>>451499
I already feel bad for your spite-child.

No. 451505

>>451501
Defeatist thinking is what got us here. You should still make conscious decisions as much as you can before you buy or throw away something.

No. 451506

>>451504
I feel bad for anyone that has to sit through your nihilist bullshit about what disgusting humans creatures are. If humans are ruining the world you might as well just kill yourself.

No. 451508

>>451507
its a joke but yeah I'll probably have a kid or two before I die. If child welfare is a huge concern to you you can always volunteer at a children's shelter instead of scolding a stranger on how to raise them.

No. 451509

>>451506

ayrt, regardless of philosophy, having a child to spite other people is sad. You do realize they're not toys right? You can't just dispose of then once the spiting has been done.

No. 451511

>>451499
>people suggesting it's better to spare innocent children from dealing with the inevitable effects of climate change are just as bad as people pushing others to procreate when they don't want to
You are unbelievably stupid

>>451506
and deeply unhinged

>>451505
Actually, it was unchecked corporate greed that got us here.

No. 451512

>>451510
Do you harass young mothers in public too?

No. 451513

>>451503
Common misconception that we need cow poop to fertilize plants. Humans poop too. Do some research on biosolids. It's all propaganda by the meat industry.

No. 451514

What are you going to tell your children when food/water shortages and 60°C weather becomes the norm? Welcome to this unlivable planet have fun?

No. 451516

>>451498
>>451497
Okay, then how? There's no way humans can go back to the way it was before. Consumerism is inevitable in human civilization, we are going to want and need more bc of the growing population and the advancement of technology.

>>451499
kek

No. 451518

>>451514
We have time to reverse a lot of predicted disasters, its going to be gradual and if we're able to vote in a socialist president that's going to help a hell of a lot. Having children is an instinct and instead of harassing people like a lunatic over it when you don't even want to make any small changes in your life whatsoever will do nothing to stop humans from reproducing.

No. 451522

>>451518
Reading an opposing opinion online isn't harassment anon lol

No. 451523

>>451516
I've cut way down on shopping the past couple years, I have an old phone and share a car. I'm also making effort to cook my own meals. I'm also moving to a town where you pretty much have to recycle otherwise you end up paying dearly for it by buying overpriced garbage bags.

No. 451524

>>451518
>vote in a socialist president that's going to help a hell of a lot.
So this is the legendary super full retard? Incredible. I never thought I would see the like of it.

No. 451525

>>451522
Well if you care so much about the fate of our children then why are you giving excuses to not make any changes whatsoever to your lifestyle?

No. 451526

>>451513
Biosolids aren't as efficient. Treating human sewage is an industrial process that consumes more resources through treatment plant manufacture, running the treatment plant and chemical manufacture. It requires electricity that will have probably been produced by burning fossil fuel. It doesn't compare to leaving a cow in field to eat grass.

No. 451527


No. 451528

>>451524
Did you have somebody better in mind? Donald Trump is literally making things exponentially worse by the minute.

No. 451529

>>451512
Stop shitting up the thread with your poor excuse for trolling

No. 451530

>>451518
>having children is an instinct
you're trash

No. 451532

>>451524
did you take a super shot of testosterone today?

No. 451533

>>451528
Trump is a waste of oxygen, but I don't see how that relates to open borders and unlimited child support helping the environment.

No. 451534

>>451516
I have been poor my whole life and have always bought stuff second hand or ade my own clothes or my mother made me clothes, I am almost 30 and have been on an air plane only once in my life, I reduce eating meat and do not buy useless junk all the time. My computer and phone are second hand too. People are already living lives that aren't about consumerism, middle class people just like to think everyone spends just like them.

No. 451535

>>451514
Nothing because I'm not selfish enough to willingly bring a child into this world despite knowing what they would be in for.

No. 451536

>>451533
Nobody brought up open borders or child support. We will literally have to either open our borders or murder people storming our borders if we continue electing right wingers and facists.

No. 451537

Anti-natalism would only work if everyone would do it.
But they won't. Our societies will just become idiocracies where the rich will exploit the stupid and poor unabetted.
Even if you can convince the intelligent and reasonable to quit reproducing here's what's left
>dullards who don't realize their children are pawns in the system who will proceed to raise dumb peasant consumers
>religious nutjobs who believe there is a superior being in all of this, and who will always dismiss suffering on earth because of the hope of a better afterlife
>rich people reproducing comfortably in their bunkers and stocked resources knowing they've pegged a hierarchy of slaves to support their offspring and the offspring of their children indefinitely
Yes, it bothers me. No, I'm not saying that anyone should be forced to have children out of spite or the expectation that they will fix this as aforementioned. Just that surely there's gotta be a way we can combat this. Intelligent people committing to anti-natalism is actually a passive way to do nothing while the status quo carries on.

No. 451538

Common people reducing meat consumption, recycling, etc., isn't going to stop the derailed train that is Global warming. The super rich are out here flying in their private jets weekly, producing toxic waste from their factories and giving no fucks. The only thing IMO that would surely stop global warming (not reverse it, I don't think that's possible) is if their money has no power anymore. Either way, there's to smooth way out of this one.

No. 451539

>>451536
>fascists
Go back to Twitter.

No. 451541

>>451538
The rich are being aided by the same people we keep voting in every year, most young people probably don't even vote in local elections much less the primaries

No. 451542

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No. 451543

>>451518
>harassing people like a lunatic over it
Literally where? This is not a thing that anyone is doing. The closest thing to "harassment" in this thread was you telling someone to kill themselves.

No. 451544

>>451542
I hope to god that's not a woman…

No. 451545

>>451541
Most young people don't live in the US.

No. 451546

>>451539
>implying Trump isn't fascist
Go back to /pol/

No. 451547

>>451543
calling people stupid for having kids wont stop people from having kids, you're just as responsible in lessening environmental impact as anybody else.

No. 451548

>>451514
>implying I even plan to have children with the current state of American medical care, housing and retirement

No. 451549

>>451545
Here in the U.S. the general attitude is apathy and ignorance, sorry I tend to assume most English speakers are American.

No. 451550

>>451525
>>451518
>>451547
Were the hell are the "excuses" and refusal to make changes you keep referring to?

No. 451551

>>451550
>I honestly am out of fucks to give when it comes to climate change. My husband and I are militant in our refusal to bring another poor child into the world to have to deal with it, but that's about the extent of how much of a damn I give anymore. I honestly don't see human extinction as a bad thing at all and my "carbon footprint" isn't going to do jackshit to change anything

No. 451552

>>451536
What type of socialist are you planning to elect that doesn't support those things? Are you saying you want a NatSoc President?
>We will literally have to either open our borders
No you wont.
>or murder people storming our borders
That is called repelling an invasion. Its a good thing.
>if we continue electing right wingers
I don't see the correlation unless you're suggesting that right wingers are maintaining America as a desirable place to live.
>and facists.
Stop using words you don't understand.

You're clearly too young to vote. So I hope you will have grown a lot up by the time you're able to.

No. 451553

>>451552
Is it the radfem threads drawing in these people?

No. 451554

>>451552
So your answer is that America should hoard all the wealth and fuck everybody else especially if they're not white?

No. 451556

Off topic but shit like this
>>451552
almost makes me wish Trump gets elected in 2020 and destroys the US for real. Free AR-15 with your purchase of meth!

No. 451557

>>451553
Possibly. I think left leaning mods are a bigger cause.
>>451554
America can't save the World and it isn't their responsibility to do so. You need to learn that good intentions don't mean a good outcome.
>>451556
I remember being an angsty teenager too. Don't worry though. You should grow out of it.

No. 451558

>>451554
People can be helped in their own countries. Foreign aid exists. Taking economic migrants doesn't solve anything because the problems they are running away from such as poverty and violence will still exist in their home country. The people that don't migrate are left there to suffer.

No. 451560

>>451551
So, one post where anon says absolutely nothing about other people having children, just her own personal decision not to. Is that the post you were referring to that was "harassing people like lunatics" too? The fact you're this insanely defensive about someone's choice not to procreate says a lot.

And for the record, choosing not to have children is a way of lessening your environmental impact.

No. 451562

>>451560
Telling people they're trash for having kids when making the smallest effort to reduce your carbon footprint is asking too much of you doesn't make you any better of a person. Either way, everyone needs to make conscious decisions every day of their life if they care one iota about the environment.

No. 451563

>>451552
since you brought up NatSoc and we had an eco-fascist anon earlier, is that what you're proposing? Unironically?

No. 451565

>>451563
"eco-fascist" is a pretty broad term when "fascist" is reduced to meaning somebody you don't like. I don't know what you think an "eco-fascist" is, but if you think you can change modern lifestyles to be more eco friendly without there being some unwanted compromises then you're very naive.

No. 451567

>>451562
Except that nowhere in that entire post does it say people are trash for having kids. It doesn't mention anything about other people having kids at all. You have been blindly projecting this entire time.

No. 451568

>>451565
>eco-fascist" is a pretty broad term when "fascist" is reduced to meaning somebody you don't like

'anyone I don't like' isn't a fascist to me, I just happen to not like any flavor of nationalism, military worship, imperialism, colonialism, and especially racism.

No. 451570

>>451567
I'm not going to go up the list and quote every post I got in response, an anon called me trash for saying human reproduction is an instinct.

No. 451572

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Jesus, such a shitstorm. What have you done op.

No. 451573

>>451526
They aren't as efficient yet on a large scale because we haven't invested into it. Many smaller farms thrive on a mixture of synthetic manure and biosolids. Ignoring synthetic fertilizers which already account for a good percentage of the fertilizer market share, where do you think the nitrogen in the cow poop comes from to begin with? It's from the crops that we feed them. We lose a percentage of the nutrients and energy in the rumen fermentation process which is where the need for synthetic fertilizer coms into play. We could surely cut out the middleman and fertilize plants with other plants to be more efficient. People already do this for example by growing nitrogen fixing legumes such as peas alongside normal crops.

No. 451574

>>451526
Samefag but I appreciate you taking the time to discuss this with me while the rest of the thread is full doomsday mode.

No. 451578

No, the undertones of the post are certainly saying this, these people give themselves a pat on the back for not having kids but still do all kinds of fuckshit anyways. And the people do have a very opreasove and fervorous tone if you disagree with their point of view so idk why some are denying that. Also I don't trust anything that allowed to gain so much presence and support outside super normie circles because pro black people, anti postmodernost people, so called Terfs get silenced for their views, many by shills.

No. 451580

>>451501
>Animals rape, murder, and mutilate each other all the time. People who act like animals are soooooo precious but think humans are totally expendable and should go extinct are extremely irrational.

if you were completely free to be killed or else, you would have different morals, too, despite self-awareness and human ability.

semantics but:
animals have no moral code or obligation to every other animal or to us. you can't compare them to us in that way. they live and die in the wild and they're not protected by a moral code which they could serve.
They're still fascinating and lovable and way more emotional and intelligent and capable than science often recognises because the treshhold to recognise their abilities is rather lower than higher.

They also exist in a stable global ecological harmony which man disturbs.

I don't condemn humanity and agree on that with you but with great power comes great responsibility and so far, humans have managed to destroy too much and risk everything for everyone and that is while not a condemning a HUMBLING fact. But yeah, you're right that environmentalists shouldn't become anti-human

I love nature and I love the planet and animals and I wish we could restore balance for them and us.

No. 451582

>>451580
>you can't compare them to us in that way.

Yet some anons say homosexuality is not a kink because some baboons fucked each other somewhere mmmmmm…

No. 451585

>>451583
wut..that last sentence was literally my whole point but yeah we'll roll with it.

No. 451586

>>451570
>>451578
>>451501 here. I was not the anon who called you trash, so please stop lumping every post together when discussing them as if we are all the same person. I truly do not give a flying fuck if you have biological children. I would really appreciate it if you stopped falsely projecting this narrative that I am judging you for it. I'm sorry that you see people making different choices than you as a personal attack, that's something you might want to work on. Thank you.

>>451580
Yeah, that's a really good point, anon.

No. 451587

>>451582
Nayrt but sex/sexuality isn't a moral code, it's a biologically driven impulse.

No. 451588

>>451582
anon, are you okay or is this bait again? sexuality is not something intellectual like morals and completely unrelated and even then I said: you can't compare them to us in THAT (specific) way.

No. 451591

>>451587

There's no biological motivator for gay sex as it doesn't lead to reproduction. Its a plain impulse, and only animals follow every impulse they get at face value.

No. 451594

>>451591
The biological motivator is nature’s way of gentle population control. Now I don’t know about you anon, but I’d rather homosexuality over plagues

No. 451600

>>451594
>but I’d rather homosexuality over plagues

They don't have to be mutually exclusive. AIDS is a thing.

No. 451613


No. 451624

>>451586
That wasn't in reply to you but a general statement

No. 451635

>>451573
>They aren't as efficient yet on a large scale because we haven't invested into it.
Building and maintaining a biosolids plant requires steel which is made in a blast furnace from mined iron and coal. This is without factoring in the manufacture of other building materials. I do think biosolids are an important part of land management. It takes sludge from human waste and converts it into a usable product and it also prevents raw sewage from being released into the oceans but the environmental cost of building such a plant would take years, possibly decades to offset.

>Ignoring synthetic fertilizers which already account for a good percentage of the fertilizer market share

Which shouldn't be happening. Synthetic fertiliser pollutes the environment. Humans have grown crops for thousands of years using nothing but manure and field rotation.

>where do you think the nitrogen in the cow poop comes from to begin with? It's from the crops that we feed them

The majority of feed for pasture raised cattle is grass.

Growing crops with synthetic fertiliser causes soil depletion and pollution.
Raising cattle on pasture produces food, manure and other animal products like leather and bone meal. Land that can't be used for crops can be used as pasture such as mountains or moorland. Ruminants do produce some pollution. This can be reduced by managing the types of grass they consume and manure run off into local water ways can be prevented by fencing off streams and rivers.

No. 451641

While I totally see the big picture and how corporations are tempting governments with corruption and greed, I still think the #1 responsibility falls onto the politicians of the countries where shit like this happens. The corporations didn't shove the money down your throat, you took it and sold your own country's future out. Responsibility has to be taken somewhere and I'm not going to blame the briber more than the person taking the bribe.

Likewise, these "shithole" countries aren't as militaristically advanced as the US nor have the $ to blow on civil war so where are the fucking people? Overthrow your weak ass governments… The population of the US organizing and rebelling is extremely unlikely particularly due to how easily the govt could snuff it out but a smaller, poorer country? They simply can't stop you.

Also thinking about who deserves to live more is really ridiculous and subjective, please stop thinking in this retarded way.

No. 451642

>>451635
Whats your opinion on lawns? Should I stop tending to the grass and grow as many plants as I possibly can?

No. 451643

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>>451582
omg you again! I missed you, homophobia-chan… Truly the Amanda-chan of the summer.

No. 451645

>>451635
Pasture-raised cattle is an ideal, anon. The majority of cattle are actually fed soy in factory farms. There isn't enough grass in the world for us to sustain the amount of cattle we currently have.

No. 451650

>>451645
I'm not about to pink pill this discussion but I've been trying to get some friends to consider a more plant based (non-soy as much as possible) diet due to the issue of deforestation and monoculture and all they say in response is "men need meat plus I need to be strong". Jesus christ.

No. 451652

>>451642
NTA but I heard growing meadows is good

No. 451654

>>451650
Men should just give up their meat to menstruating women.

No. 451656

>>451643
i wonder if "homosexuality is a kink"chan is just one person..?

No. 451660

>>451656

It's what the majority thinks, but is too haram to say whats blatantly obvious in certain places in current year.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 451683

>>451676
The world may be torn apart by war, but one many remains to bring us back together

No. 451687

>>451650
People think eating vegetarian/vegan is just salads 24/7. I think the best way to encourage people to eat plant-based is to just live your life normally and show that it's not a "restrictive" or "weight loss" diet. Show them without saying anything that you can still eat well-balanced meals and junk food, they'll take notice. A lot of my friends started eating more vegetarian/vegan food recently.

Men are a lost cause though. Unless a public male figure comes along and acts like he invented plant-based eating, they're not going to jump onboard.

No. 451689

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oh great, now vegans came here to shill too.

No. 451691

>>451687
The friends I'm talking about don't really notice, even though I do eat very healthy and balanced meals. They complain about lack of flavor (precisely bc they're used to shitty food and meat, they say vegetables taste like grass) and low protein GAINZ.

Men tend to think women are vain but they're far more shallow when it comes to their identities.

No. 451692

>>451687
fuck vegans. lab based meat and veg products all the way. fuck your morals.

No. 451693

>>451689
Oh no, people not supporting the greedy farmers who are destroying the rainforest, ruining the lives of indigenous people and killing endangered animals are trying to convince you to do the same. How dare they!

Get out, you ugly scrote.

No. 451694

>>451689
I'm not vegan, but if you look at how much resources it takes to produce meat it validates their arguments anon.

No. 451695

>>451692
>lab based meat
That won't be a thing you can actually buy for a couple of decades at best anon.

No. 451696

>>451689
Hi retard, I'm an omnivore that just goes plant-based for most of her meals and buys locally grown crops. If you think Brazil's deforestation issue is separate from agriculture you're a complete moron.

>>451692
I'm very interested in lab farming as well as meat. I don't actually have moral issues with killing animals as nature is more of a resource exchange chain anyway. I just want the planet to not go to shit, that is all.

No. 451698

>>451692
I support lab grown meat though? I think it's a great idea. It means fucking up the earth less and that one day I'll be able to own a dog and feed it a balanced diet. I actually talk to vegetarians/vegans about it all the time and encourage them to support it, even if they aren't interested in eating it themselves and most have agreed that it's the future of meat.

No. 451700

>>451642
Grow vegetables and keep bantams.

>>451687
>junk food
You're still missing the problem. It's not meat or vegetables alone that are damaging the environment, it's that both are farmed so intensively. Factory farmed meat ends up in fast food burgers. Soy and palm oil are used to used to make meat alternatives. The actual way to help the environment is to make the most of the food that's available locally. Learn how to cook and only eat what you need. Vegans rely on a lot of imported food. It's not sustainable.

No. 451701

>>451700
>Palm oil
It makes my blood boil to see that fucking ingredient in everything ranging from food, to skincare, and even household utility products. It prevents me from buying so many things but I'm hellbent on not supporting the palm oil industry.

No. 451703

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>>451700
I agree and am also a proponent of supporting local farmers as much as is possible (though for most people now it's not remotely possible to get most of your food from them), though the distance food is transported actually has a much smaller impact on resource use and emissions than the type of food produced to begin with. Animal products are simply way more land and resource intensive and so humans should not be eating anywhere near so much of them, which is why we have had to resort to factory farming on a massive scale as well as deforestation and 91% of Amazon rainforest destruction being for that purpose as well. So people need to account for all these different factors when trying to make better purchases and supporting a shift to a sustainable food system.

No. 451704

>>451701
While you are at that also remember not buying quinoa as the popularity of it is rising the prices and making it scarce to the original population that used that as the base of their meals, don't buy tropical fruits if you don't live in a tropical country because of the emissions from the importing of the fruit, and don't eat chocolate because cacao is literally picked by child slaves and it's monoculture caused a plague that is about to make the original cacao extinct.

No. 451710

>>451700
I agree with this. A lot of vegan friendly food is imported and farmed extensively. I personally try and eat local as well. Which means I eat meat (chicken and some local game) and local produce. And a lot of local cheese/milk. I feel like this is a lot better for the environment because I’m getting it from a farm down the road, it’s not coming from 2000 miles away and the result of deforestation.

In the long term I want to get my own chickens and goats. I have friends that already have chickens and goats and they don’t have to purchase from local farmers. Local fishing is also something I want to get into.

Just “eat vegan” doesn’t mean anything. I am willing to bet BeyondMeat and other soy products damage the environment a lot more than buying a chicken from your local farmer whose family has been in your community for over a century. I don’t trust anything that I don’t know for sure has come from within 50 km.

No. 451714

>>451710
That's true anon.
We also have to remember that together with beef the biggest Brazilian food export is soy.
So buy eating vegan products that may contain Brazilian soy you would also be helping the deforestation the Amazon.
The reason Brazilian politicians and tycoons don't care about the rain forest is mostly because they care a lot more about the money it could make them by using the land for meat and soy, and most of that goes to China, US, etc.

No. 451715

>>451703
The amount of emissions that come from locally farmed poultry and eggs is a lot lower than beef though, and due to not being transported it’s likely lower than imported alternatives.

Everyone who has a backyard should be allowed to own chickens and goats. So many suburbs forbid it but I feel like if every with yard space family had a functioning chicken coop and goats, the reliance on beef and imported alternatives would go down.

The problem is less with availability of low emissions food and the fact that people don’t care and are addicted to certain types of food. A lot of people in the West would rather eat a Beyond Meat Big Mac than get some locally farmed chicken, because the former tastes better to them.

Popeyes chicken sandwiches have been trending on twitter massively. I’m tired of the myth that most people who eat fast food are poor and don’t have healthier alternatives. I live in a large city and everyone here goes out to lunch, almost no one brings their lunch from home. All these wealthy people could give less than two shits about sustainability and by in large consume just as much as poor people do.

No. 451716

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>>451700
>>451703
Vegans and vegetarians still have it (mostly) correct, I believe. Ideally you would be eating local AND plant-based but provided that you can only do one, eating processed vegan foods still has less of an impact than eating meat.

No. 451720

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Siberia is on fire too.
No one gave a shit for weeks. No firefighters. No media coverage, people literally choking on smoke. Not even a word about air pollution so asthmatic and elderly are fucked. The epicenter is in almost 1000 kilometers off my city, but when they were at it's peak I haven't seen the sun for 3 days straight.
The government only somewhat started doing shit recently, but it's a drop in the ocean. It's too late.
https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/14/smoke-from-wildfires-in-siberia-covers-an-area-bigger-than-the-eu

Imagine the size of Russia. Now look at the map. A fifth of it is going to hell.
They are saving oil rigs. They don't give a shit about plants or animals.

No. 451725

>>451720
>They are saving oil rigs. They don't give a shit about plants or animals.
All places are the same after all. It's all about money and profit in the end, too bad it will kill us all.

No. 451751

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Honestly just enjoying my youth, doing what I can do reduce my carbon footprint and trying to not worry too much about things that are mostly out of my control.

Feel bad for the kids growing up today though, wonder what's going to be left out there for them.

No. 451753

>>451264
I'm going to get my degree. I literally can't do anything else because I'm poor, and I'm trying to get this degree to not be that way.

No. 451761

>>451368
I'm terrified, here in Argentina one of the most known news channel showed the dark at 3PM but said scientifics had no clue about it.
They shortly said that it was like if the city was inside a big cloud and quickly changed the subject.

Rip animals, but fuck our race.

No. 451767

>>451761
>tfw Brazilian and going to Sao Paulo in 5 days
Rip me.

No. 451809

We are already fucked because of climate inertia. It's literally too late for us right now. The only way to somehow stop or combat the effects of climate change is with bioengineering but we still have to invent the tools we need.

In a few years we will have climate migrants and that's when the real problems will start for governments. I don't think it's gonna be in the next 5 years though.

No. 451845

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Local here, live in the capital, probably going to get nuked soon but whatever. Just heard about it yesterday watching an american youtube news show. I've talked with other friends and they have also said they only found out about it recently. What's strangest to me is how even locals are not in the know.

>>451303
Literally the only good point of Bolsonaro is that he finally unseated PT. Those fuckers have stolen ridiculous amounts of money from us. Search "Mensalão" and "Operation Car wash" And that's it, his only good deed so far. Being a little less of an asshole than PT.

What this faggot needs to do is remove that ridiculous 60% import tax on electronic goods that stalls Brazil's tech based economy, hikes prices and lines the pockets of some big wig. I had one life to live and i was born to be a third worlder. God is fucking cruel.

No. 451849

>>451845
Bolsonaro had literally nothing to do with the car wash operation anon. He's just a puppet that got way too much power because he's a bigot and most of Brazilians are bigots too and found him joking about rape "epic".
But yeah fuck this place, I'm going to Portugal this year if all goes well.

No. 451857

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>>451297
Of course, anon. We will rise again and together we will enter a New Eden.

No. 451868

>>451498
good point. Everyone is just too egotistical, on different degrees. And we are too many for ethical consumption on this planet, not enough resources.

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No. 451871

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>>451869
source

No. 451908

>>451845
how is pt worse than bolsonaro

No. 451917

>vote left
>entire country starves and economy goes down the shitter
>vote right
>retard president kills the environment because muh monies

Fuck this entire subcontinent. Latin America was a fucking mistake.

No. 451918

>>451917
Have you taken into consideration the decades of political sabotage by the USA and other foreign nations? These countries did not fail out of nowhere or for no reason. The USA's unbridled capitalism needs a permanent underclass and Latin America was the perfect source for it to grab.

No. 451922

>>451918
Yeah people love to ignore imperialism and act like those countries are just shitholes for no reason but big $ has a lot of impact.

That being said you could be noble and not commit treason and actively help the US fuck your shit up. There'll theoretically always be someone else that will take the bribe but… idk. I don't like the idea that these countries have no agency whatsoever.

No. 451926

>>451918
I know about the whole dictatorships backed by CIA thing, I literally live here but ok. Obviously the US fucked us over but the biggest problem for us is that our politicians are incompetent and corrupt as fuck. My country is supposed to be one of the less corrupt countries in Latin America and we literally got a vicepresident kicked out of his position for being a corrupt cunt.

We can't just blame everything on others anyway. We have to get our shit together. Both presidents that suck on USA dick (for example Bolsonaro in Brazil) and presidents that hate the USA (for example Maduro in Venezuela) are fucking over their country in some way. I think the problem is more massive corruption and the people voting incompetent fucks into power than remnants of the dictatorship era.
There's a mindset problem as well tbh. Storytime: In my country we had a "trans law" a while ago that does a lot of shit in favour of trannies, one of them being allowing hormone treatment for minors. We had an attempt to invalidate the law, but voting wasn't mandatory. Most people I know disagreed with the law but they were all like "lol nobody's gonna go vote it's not worth it roflmao". I voted, but most people didn't and now we have legal hormone treatment for kids. People will always vote for the same shit parties because "lmao they will win anyway". It doesn't also help that most people see political parties as something akin to sports clubs and everything the one party they happen to like spews they're gonna agree with it instantly.
I don't know if this is all of Latin America but at least in my country this is the general mindset and it's just fucking rage inducing.

No. 451928

>>451926
> People will always vote for the same shit parties because "lmao they will win anyway".

Same shit here in the U.S., we just instituted a nationwide mandatory civics class nearly 10 years ago because so many of us have no interest in how elections work. Boomers want free healthcare but they don't want it available for anyone else (medicaid expansion and social security), and everyone else is too busy grinding hard at work and getting told unions are evil and they buy into it. Unfortunately for those of us who are aware of the issues near and dear to us have to go out and do the hard work to get everyone to pay attention and vote.

No. 451931

>>451917
when was the last time there was a real left president in latin america? and i mean not in the extreme political sense but in the fact that most left actively plays with the center and center right in a "were marching forward but not too forward", the supposedly power struggles are just banter between friends to keep olygarchy up and destroy middle class, tought you could argue there was never really a middles class in latin america. It shouldnt come as surprise that after the USA backed coups in the 70's there was a heavy decline in industrialization making most of the region forever stuck in basic colonial economy with just selling raw material.

Which is why >>451926 its common place in most countries, most people realize the current way of politics isnt just doing it, theres no real representation or at least most people dont feel that way and thats why people who use their charisma and "trigger" emotional states get so easily in upper political places, bolsonaro and trump both promised safety and security of either real or false treats and were seen as "real people".

No. 451941

Is eating locally farmed meat still damaging? I only eat steak once a month or so to help me get iron because iron supplements give me terrible stomach aches.

No. 451958

I know I'm not that important to blogpost but this shit has made me so depressed. After a lifetime of failure and unhappiness I finally got my shit together and have a career in art, which was what I always wanted. And it's completely useless and self-masturbatory in this fucked up world with so many looming problems.My BF tells me to just enjoy my life and not worry because everything will be gone in 20 years anyway. I already spend my whole life in tiny apartments, never owned a car, flew like once every 3-5 years, don't run my AC more then a few days out of the year, recycle, haven't consumed dairy in 8 years (I recommend everyone do that same, it's literally poison for so many people). All my friends are the same but I feel like it's useless against the tide of delusional Boomers and even even people in their 70s and 80s that continue to live an insane resource consumptive lifestyle.

No. 451970

>>451958
American men believe recycling will turn them gay and that they deserve to eat 100 lbs of meat a day

No. 451983

>>451941
Obviously eating locally sourced steak once a month is fine, anon.

No. 451987

>>451368
>3 PM!
The time on that clock says 16:31 That's 4:31 PM. But still I get what you're saying.

No. 451998

This whole thread has induced me into a state of hopelessness. I honestly feel like I might as well just commit suicide and be done with it. The world is going to end in our lifetime and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. Seriously, what's the fucking point in trying to strive to better myself when I simply know everything I build for myself is going to be taken away to lost somehow before I even reach a comfortable older age. With so much chaos in the world today, I just want to curl up in a ball and never leave my home until I can muster up the courage to end it all.

No. 452018

>>451941
Try beans, anon. I was told that I have a really high hemeglobin count and I put it down to eating kidney beans and black beans a lot.

No. 452037

Invest in mason jars people

No. 452038

>>451998
SURVIVE, anon. Survive just to see all of these corrupt politicians and CEOs and shit die along with a huge portion on the populace. Then, you'll have the pleasure of having making an impact by refusing to be a consumer, thus having a hand in destroying whatever evil corporations are left after everything. It makes me content to know all of these awful people are human too and will be effected when the shit hits the fan. We haven't made it to the stage where the ultra rich can escape to another planet or the moon yet.

No. 452058

>>451987
True. I was thinking 3 PM because the worst happened at that time.

No. 452062

>>451998
Go ahead and do it anon. I'm sick of all these melodramatic fucks throwing a long-winded "Maybe I should just DIE!!!!" fits instead of following through.

No. 452418

>>452038
We all need to WORK to survive, though. I think we as a collective should start considering taking precautions to make the incoming shitshow less hard on ourselves- because the people who suffer most in a disaster event are women. The suffering for us is unimaginable in any disaster scenario unless we arm ourselves, with weaponry, knowledge, or secrecy.
Start gardening some of your own food. Get backyard chickens if you have the room or if not, start storing canned or long-lasting food and water- enough for two weeks. Get ready to barricade your shit as needed, have somewhere to hide away if something like mass rioting or local societal breakdown occurs. Research ways to make yourself really shut off to the world and escape routes to get out of your city if need be. Know your shit.Maybe even make plans to form a disaster squad if you have local, competent, alert women in your area.

Know your shit. Be prepared. Men ruined the world and they're going to try ruining us too. But we're the only ones who can heal things, make them any better. We just have to be ready for it and outlast the raging retards who'll start slaughtering each other as soon as they're given a chance.

If you don't want to chance that, then use your life for good! For environmentalism! Take risks that people who value their lives won't! Maybe you can help decelerate this! But know you have options for purpose during this time. We have to return to the land in one way or another. Be prepared to do whatever you need make that happen, or at the very least protect her- and ourselves- from the destroyers of our world.

No. 452422

>>452418
This sounds like a LARP

No. 452514

>>451277

>vote far left


That's a funny oxymoron. There are no far left politicians.

Anyways, I was planning on buying an off-the-grid, solar powered tiny home in my 30s but I'm not sure we'll even make it till then. I feel like the amazon fires have heightened everyone's sense of nihilism including mine.

No. 452592

>>452514
If you live in the U.S. vote in the primaries! Its this February in my state I'm voting for Bernie obv.

No. 452621

At the risk of sounding dumb, how much of “the world is going to go to shit in our lifetime” is hyperbole?

I see vague statements that we’ll start to see the consequences in 20+ years, but it’s hard to tell if that’s true or greatly exaggerated. I’d like to know what I should practically be planning for, and I guess feel secure in my choice that maybe it’s better not to have kids. If it’s as bad as anons are saying I figure I’d off myself if it’s going to be that horrific when it really starts.

No. 452636

>>452621
All of it.

No. 452638

>>452636

It just seems wild that were gonna see horrific end of the world shit in 20-30 years. I just really want to know if I should actually be prepping for something horrible or if anons are being emotional in here lol

No. 452644

>>452621
Our society seems to be going in waves with the "save the planet" thing and then completely forgetting about it. I think, unless the next wave comes soon, we'll start to see shit go down.

personally as someone in california, I'm already prepped for the inevitable earthquake. The fault is like fifteen minutes away and I'm ready to groove with it

No. 452648

>>452638
Depending on where you live nothing that bad is going to happen anytime soon. Its fairly gradual but if you live on a coastline or in an impoverished area you're probably fucked. Whether we're fucked or not though you should still care about preserving the environment, making less waste, using public transport or biking, etc.

No. 452656

>>452644
What do earthquakes have to do with the climate? Not meaning to sound argumentative, I legitimately don't know.

No. 452657

>>452418
Where did you find this copypasta?

No. 452675

>>452638
Look, if you want to lead an environmentally conscious life, that's good. Prefer public transport, recycle as much as you can, avoid buying unnecessary plastic crap, eat less meat et cetera. It can't be WORSE for the environment. But what good does it do to be on the verge of panic all the time, preparing for a doomsday nuclear winter scenario that's going to wipe out the whole earth in 2 years and contemplating suicide over the scary news articles? What's the point? You might as well kill yourself right now if that's the life you're going to live. If anything, we're living a much more sustainable life than back when EVERY city was covered in thick factory smoke and the rivers were polluted and filled with garbage. A lot of animal species have been saved from the brink of extinction, forests have been restored, more eco-friendly ways of generating energy have been implemented, cars are turning to electricity instead of fossil fuels, recycling is gaining more traction etc. And it's getting better by the minute.

If you're going to be crying over the theoretical environmental catastrophe, why not fear a new super disease wiping the population out? Black death killed 60% of the population of Europe in the Middle ages. How about meteors hitting the earth? If something like the one that exploded over Siberia in the early 1900s arrived a few hours earlier it would've caused massive destruction, and just recently we just barely dodged a big ass comet heading for earth. Or the supervolcano under the Yellowstone park exploding and destroying like 80% of the planet and it's already overdue for its next big eruption? Due to human hubris we like to think that we're in charge of everything on the planet, but in fact there are multiple things that could wipe us out in the blink of an eye. Spending your life in constant fear of a global catastrophe isn't a constructive way to do. Just live each day to the best you can.

No. 452781

>>452656
Oh I was just talking about it like a general disaster scenario and disaster prepping, since huge earthquakes cause a butterfly effect of destruction, death, loss, big ocean tides, fire maybe? etc. Its just a more immediate disaster than climate problems.

No. 452932

>>452781
Ah, fair enough.

No. 452978

>>452621
Scientific consensus is that if we haven't cut carbon emissions to 0 by 2030, it'll officially be hot enough to melt the icecaps and all the good stuff that comes with that. We could see food shortages as early as 2040 as well as mass immigration from both heat and sealevel rise. (google IPCC climate report, there are dozens of breakdowns)

That said,
1. climate scientists don't want to be accused of causing a panic so things might be worse than what's being reported 2. Nothing will happen without massive society wide changes but status quo is too comfortable and too profitable 3. this report doesn't even cover the shortages in ground water and topsoil the world is also currently facing 4. Rise of far-right ideologies worldwide is making it harder for sane people to cooperate on climate issues.

Then again there are new technologies coming out every day so we just might be able to turn this garbage barge around. Even if we don't, some of us could be fortunate enough to avoid the worst consequences in our lifetimes. Although I personally wouldn't gamble on having a child, offing yourself over this this far in advance is a bit overdramatic.

No. 452998

>>452978
People already seem to be causing a lot of panic over this.

No. 453024

>>451514
>>451535
>>451548
>>451280
>>451399
>>451407
sure let just dumb people reproduce to make society even dumber instead of bringin in smart children

No. 453030

>>451322
God, fucking exact same. I feel like we don't stand a chance. Will we ever even get to experience "life" / "the real world" at this point? I fear I'll never be able to build the life I've always imagined and just die still at my dead-end job, still with no house to my name with my hopefully-wife, our pets and a garden we eat from.

No. 453037

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captain planet need to come give a visit. too many looters and polluters

No. 453062

>>452978
Haha I was mostly joking about the offing myself comment. Mostly because it seemed shocking to see anons saying the world is "going to hell" in 20 years and it won't be worth living by then.

Everything you listed still sounded soon enough though.I guess I'll be around to see the start of some these upsetting things, and probably not a bad idea to start gardening. That's a lot of why I figure maybe it's better to not have kids. Are they going to have to compete to survive? Will they not have the quality of life I'll have?
I try to do practical things to help the environment, but there's too many people offsetting these efforts. I never had a romantic feeling about our race surviving and don't see us as anything special. If we end up dying out then I suppose it's for the best. But we'll be taking a lot of innocent creatures with us

No. 453069

>>453062
>>453062
same about never romanticizing our survival. on the other hand, at least when everything is gone, that'll be the end of all suffering, which is a little comforting, especially in the case of animals, who have basically no ability to mitigate the suffering they face and obviously no ability to communicate their fear or pain. and like, as beautiful and wonderful as nature is, animals must really suffer. so tbh that makes me feel a little better that they'll be spared rather than them being able to continue the cycle of suffering. not that i'd ever wish for everything to go to shit the way it almost certainly will, but people insist on fucking everything up for no reason and since we've got no recourse, i guess that's one kinda sorta (but not really) bright side.

No. 453106

>>451344
China buys like 20% of the soy and beef made by the fuckers burning down the forest. You can thank Trump's retarded trade war for creating the increased demand for Brazillian agriculture.

Retarded Brazillians don't deserve the rainforest if they voted for a president who wants to destroy it. The WHOLE forest be like the Moon, where it belongs to all of the nations.

The hicks who started these fires deserve to burn at the stake.

No. 453135

>>453106
>Retarded Brazillians don't deserve the rainforest if they voted for a president who wants to destroy it. The WHOLE forest be like the Moon, where it belongs to all of the nations.
There are some talks in Brazil about building nuclear bombs to keep foreigner nations from invading the amazon.

No. 453156

Shit like the situation in the amazon highlights just how futile the ~we all must do our part~ mindset is. Sorry guys, but everyone recycling and driving hybrids means nothing when capitalist insentives take top priority to governments.

No. 453160

>>453106
50% of Brazilians didn't vote for him though. Its not fair that everyone has to suffer now.

No. 453162

>>453024
How does the possibility of these hypothetical kids being smart change the ethical concerns of bringing them into this shit show of a world?

No. 453164

>>453106
this is really sad. it's like a domino effect Trump is missing a chromosome anyway , but it's obvious this trade war is affecting EVERYONE. I feel for the people or brazil who didnt want this shit president either. it's like not all americans voted for trump. we're all trapped in this nightmare

No. 453172

>>453160
Cambridge analitica elected him and trump they also did experiments in Haiti’s elections

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No. 453175

>>453164
In addition the US had to suspend Brazilian beef imports in mid-2017 due to safety concerns over concealed mad cow disease. A few months ago Trump began working directly with Bolsonaro to reinstate Brazilian beef imports to the US and to send US government officials to review their facilities for approval. If all goes according to their plan, that's a big resumption in sales, and suddenly the orders for fire starting to clear land for new cattle ranches are 80% larger in area than the industry norm for the past couple years.

No. 453178

>>453172
He would have won either way. His opposition was a political party hated by most of the country.

No. 453181

>>453178
That's not true.
The North and Northwest of the country love PT.
The problem is the whole dived left thing again. A lot of people from Native, black, women, etc, groups felt ostracized or ignored by the party. The problem is, if the left gets all fragmented then the right wins and fucks them even more.

No. 453193

>>453135
Pfft Brazil doesn't have the money, and no one's going to "invade" anything. If anything, the Brazilians invaded the rainforest in the first place. Indegenous people live there, lest we forget. The tribes are more entitled to it than the dumbass Brazilian government and the retarded short-sighted soy farmers.

No. 453206

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No. 453334

>>453162
with more smart kids the society has higher chance of surviving and finding ways to fix the bad situations

No. 453503

I wish that european leaders would finally "man up" and put some pressure onto Trump and his brazilian counterpart instead of trying to force us citizens to buy electric cars and other useless little shit.
It feels hopeless, what use is it that my customers bring their own woolen bags for the bread they buy instead of me putting it in a paper bag when countries like the US, China, India and now Brazil are doing their best to destroy everything?
Nobody wants that bioengineered food they plan to plant, but knowing Merkel, Macron and Co it will definitely soon be allowed to be imported and sold here as well.

And of course that retard swedish girl only traveled to comfy countries, brazil is likely too scary for her…

No. 453504

>>453503
Macron and the Finnish minister of finance are actually trying to ban Brazilian beef and soy and pressuring others to do the same, Macron is assembling another G7 meeting for this purpose also.

No. 453505

>>453334
we don't have time for that to even happen. shit's going to be pretty majorly fucked up before kids born soon or now can do anything.

No. 453524

I believe we have 30 years max before our lives are completely unrecognizable to life now.

We would first need a plague to cull the heard then make major lifestyle changes. I personally can't wait for the end of humans. We don't deserve this planet.

No. 453525

>>453524
It won't be the end of Humans though In fact it will be the rebirth of Humanity
The Human population will dramatically decrease but their will still be Human left on the earth who will find some one way to survive as Hunter Gathers

No. 453592

>dumb huezillian monkies burn down their own forest like every year
>everyone blames the one white man in the country

Just like America, may both nations rest in piss. You could have chosen ecofascism. Keep passing the blame up the chain instead of blaming the ones holding the torches dummies.

No. 453601

>>453503
>GMO's
>bad

real brainlet hours

No. 455930

>>453525
Maybe mother nature has to make a decision to either
a. with humans never stopping having children, we'll evolve somehow to adapt to the higher temperatures and other things
b. not adapt us fast enough and wipe us all out with natural disasters and too high temperatures because we're a threat to all life in general

but even then maybe some will still survive and then natural selection can take a real good course finally instead of humans overpopulating mindlessly like idiots, humans can evolve and rebuild, only to inevitably fuck it all up again. Repeat.



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