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I had a really strange upbringing, my parents were really strict and really lax at the same time. I posted about them in the vent thread once but I think it fits here more.
Basically my parents homeschooled me and my siblings for religious reasons. They never told us why exactly, when I was a kid I thought it was because schools taught evolution but now as an adult I'm pretty sure it had to do with sex education. They were really strict about what we could watch. We weren't allowed to watch any thing with magic in it, so no princess movies (cinderella, pocahauntas, snow white etc) or other kids movies with magic (pinocchio, sword in the stone etc). However, we were allowed to watch it if there was some kind of loophole, like we were allowed to watch pagemaster because it was imagination(I think?) and alice in wonderland because it was a dream.
But we were exposed to violent media way younger and my parents didn't seem to have a huge problem with it. When I was a little kid I played Castle Wolfenstein 3D, which has really bad graphics but still… you're going through a castle shooting Nazis. And there's this one level where you fight zombies, and my mom said that at first she wasn't okay with it because she thought they made the zombies with occult magic, but then was okay with it after she found out the zombies were made with science. Like…. okay.
They totally dropped the ball on homeschooling us and didn't teach us hardly anything beyond reading and writing and basic math. No history, science, or anything else I can think of, Idk what the fuck kids learn in normal school. They didn't even instill basic hygiene habits in us (I didn't know that you were supposed to change your underwear every day until I was like 18). The only things they really bothered to teach us were things relating to the bible/religion and the only time we got socialized was when we went to church. My parents never talked to us about sex, or almost any non superficial topic that wasn't religion, and now I feel really weird talking about these things as an adult. And what's funny is that my parents have a shit ton of old books and a lot of them are Christian "how to talk to your kids about sex" books. The only few times sex ever came up it was just "don't have sex til you're married or you'll go to hell".
And almost all of my memories of church are extremely negative because every time we went to church all they would do was talk about how the end of the world is coming soon and how the book of revelations was coming true. Or they would guilt preach (tell you you're not being a good enough Christian). This impacted me at a young age and I grew up believing the world was going to end, and I genuinely believed that I wasn't going to live to be 12 and when I turned 12 I was like "wow, I'm really old now". I felt like the future would never happen, which I still feel now, and I never plan for the future because I feel like it will never happen and constantly feel like the world is on the verge of ending and like every thing is pointless.
I can't watch any movies or anything about the world ending, even if it's a comedy because it's just really triggering to me. I am such a maladjusted adult, have trouble forming relationships and even relating to people and a million other mental health issues. I live such a stagnant life now, I feel extreme guilt for innocuous things like masturbating. I realize that it's not competely religion's fault and that it's motsly my parents neglect that made me this way, but I still believe religion heavily contributed.
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sorry to hear that anon. Hope you've caught up on history and other important topics adults should know about to have properly developed ideologies.
I have nothing nice to say about religion. I hate the idea that one is so afraid of dying that they have to make shit up and act like they know the answers to anything. I also hate that they act like it's impossible to be a good person without religion. I respect an atheist trying to do the ethical thing over a religious person who is mainly doing it bc they think sky dad will punish them.
I was sent to a Catholic school when younger, later a Christian one. I know nothing about evolution, but have been able to recite The Lord's Prayer and my Hail Marys since I was 5. I had one weekend to learn them, or get paddled. Every day, my school made us recite around the rosary before we could eat lunch. That, on top of the fear of hell and my dad being a crazy clean freak narc, I developed OCD. Anytime I messed up the rosary by one word, I would become fearful and start over again.
My dad used to make me scrub the molding of the walls in our bathrooms when I was a little kid with a tooth brush. He told me it would "make me a good wife" and "(women) might as well be good for something."
He used to (and still tries) to cram religious bullshit down my throat. He's obsessed with Jews, Israel, and the end times. I never believed it as a kid, but my parents guilted me into it, but once I reached adulthood, I couldn't bring myself to keep regurgitating this dogma, especially with access to the internet and being able to vaguely learn how the earth might of come into existence without a creator.
I still feel so dumb, my education from those schools were so poor. I've wanted to be a scientist since I was a small child, I'd lie to my parents to stay after school and watch Bill Nye. I am absolutely in love with physics, but that's a degree that requires a bare minimum education to start, that I don't have due to being pulled out and homeschooled a few times. Fuck, my mother smashed my first grade project model of Jupiter I was so proud of.
Oh, I'm a welder, and my uncle got angry and told me that it's not a "woman's job" and I'd be to incompetent to do it; which is hilarious because my welding instructor told me the best welders were often women due to our patience and attention to detail, lol. My grandmother told me, "If a woman doesn't have children, what good is she?" because I said that women have more to offer the world than some stupid thing my dad said I can't remember. These were all in the context of a religious conversation. I swear religion only exists to create women into a form of bartering value.
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there's a really good south park episode about this.
but yeah, it's an american spinoff of christianity. it was started by a guy (joseph smith) who claimed that an angel had visited him and given him golden plates that he had to translate, and that "translation" is now the book of mormon. it allegedly is describing what happened in america during biblical times and has a lot of fucked up shit in it.
I know too many families who have dealt with alcoholism and suicide as after effects of catholic priests molesting boys. My friends have alcoholic or dead fathers..or abusive
PTSD fathers. They are the first generation to decide they don't want to go to church every week and fill the donations bucket.. their mothers and grandparents still fill those donation buckets like idiots
Then every time we have a referendum to make gay marriage legal or have the right to end pregnancy you have church going pensioners barking the loudest when they aren't the ones hoping to get married or finding themselves pregnant..
They ignore or deny it completely because it doesn’t fit their narrative. I could t count how many people have said to me that adoption is easy and not expensive, and then revert back to ‘well she shouldn’t have sex if she doesn’t want babies’ as soon as it’s pointed out they are incorrect about adoption and every source proves it.
Hell, you get posters who follow this line right here on lolcow.
Adoption and foster systems are nothing but a virtue signal to point at, and turn the other way when the kids talk about how those systems abused,neglected, and molested them.
You know what i really, really fucking hate? People forcing their religion on me, OK, you believe in x thing but can you STOP trying to guilt trip me into liking it? Stop acting like i killed someone because i said "i don't believe in God", these type of people always get so weirdly defensive like, not everyone has to be religious and religion doesn't make you a better person. If you want to believe on God that's fine but why do you have to force YOUR rules on MY life? I always get on heated arguments with my family when they try to shill me religious shit when they know i don't believe on those things, specially when is misogynistic garbage, look at me John, im going to study on STEM and be childless, i don't give a fuck if the Bible says i should be cooking and wanting to die while waiting for some average joe to come at home. I'm also lesbian so fuck that noise even harder lmao.
I also hate when you're doing a debate and someone says "No, that's not correct", oh ok but why? "bEcAuSe ThE bIbLe SaYs So" bitch the fuck? What kind of argument is that? Use your brain or something this is embarrassing, you could give me a good answer based on facts or your opinion but instead you force your bullshit on a serious debate, the Bible IT'S NOT FACTUAL you just can't answer a question like that.
Oh yeah, I’m well aware of that but recently read about the wigs in Judaism which is why my thoughts were focused there for that post.
I’m gonna make a sweeping blanket statement but I just don’t see any benefit of being religious which I couldn’t find elsewhere and it’s always something paltry like "I made friends at church". As if you couldn’t find that elsewhere, like a hobby club? You’d probably be more into it too. I don’t need a religion to teach me how to be kind or love others. I’m lucky to live somewhere where the Christianity is tame to the point of toothlessness, all the stories I read about some parts of the US baffle and scare me.>>459785
I like the idea of Jesus, especially the joke portrayals of him where he’s just a friendly magical chill guy, not the rest of it.
I align more with atheism/agnosticism as an adult, but I was raised in a Christian household. Even as a kid, I noticed the inconsistencies and ridiculousness of the Bible and mainly attended church to see my friends lol. I think the biggest thing that drove me from religion is the sheer hatefulness of most Christians. My dad used to be somewhat chill until he started going to church more often, now he goes on crazy rants about how gay people can just find God and magically become straight and gleefully said that Kate Spade was going to hell after seeing the report of her suicide on the news. My mom baptized me in a Catholic Church when I was a baby and still brings it up to tell me that it makes me a Christian. Pretty much all of my family, extended relatives included, are outright hateful towards gays, women, minorities (even though we’re minorities lmao), and other religions.
I can’t see myself ever believing in God. Not to be 2edgy but after reading the Bible, i can only conclude that Yahweh is evil. How am I supposed to believe that he’s so good and loving when he purposefully flooded the globe, murdered Job’s family just to test his loyalty towards him, and wants anyone who doesn’t worship him to burn in Hell? I’ll pass.
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My family are non observant Jews. All my life I assumed that since religion wasn't based in fact or logic was the result of avoiding and shunning argument/debate, but recently I found out that there's actually a huge tradition of rabbis arguing over scripture and questioning interpretations - Passover literature is often designed to encourage children to ask questions about Jewish tradition and history. I'm just so confused that in thousands of years of religious argument, nobody came to the natural conclusion that God didn't exist?
Tbh I also used to hate most things associated with the Abrahamic religions but in the past year I've been obsessing over Christian hagiographies, religious art, religious buildings, choir music etc… I don't think we would have nearly as much beautiful art and genuinely lovely tradition in the world were it not for the Abrahamic religions, and I'm struggling to reconcile that with my feminist, pro-choice, anti-pedo beliefs. Anyone going through anything similar, finding out about the “good” sides of religion and ending up in a weird in-between?
>>459919>recently I found out that there's actually a huge tradition of rabbis arguing over scripture and questioning interpretations
90% of Judaism is about arguing lol
>nobody came to the natural conclusion that God didn't exist?
Because it would destroy their very identity. The Jewish religion was what helped Jews keep their culture alive despite constant assimilation attempts and violent pogroms made by Muslims, and especially Christians, towards Jews during their time as a diaspora. The Jewish god's existence is what was used to justify the extermination of the Canaanites and claim the Holy Land for the Israelites - the ancestors to the Jewish and Samaritan people. The crazy thing is though, historical evidence reveals that the Israelites were actually Canaanites themselves…which is a whole other story.
>>459919>finding out about the “good” sides of religion and ending up in a weird in-between?
I'm very passionate in defending the humanitarian good that some religious people have done worldwide, specifically some historical medieval capuchin monks and a few ecclastic nuns, but also your garden variety types of charity that most local places of worship do. Some people argue that good deeds done by religious zealots don't count because it's just to get into heaven or to convert others etc but I don't agree completely. Instead I hate that religious organizations have been allowed to profit from the PR of genuinely good, empathetic people that just happen to also be religious. Why do the rich men at the Vatican get to preach about things that poor hardworking people did thousands of years ago? Especially when often these 'holy' people were disowned from the church and only spun as saints years after their deaths. They don't dare preach about living people in case that person uses that platform to go against the disgusting church. Most charitable lipservice work the Vatican funds would not even be necessary if it hadn't done so much evil over the years either.
I do also love most religious art and architecture. I wish there were better ways to support the conservation of historical religious places without indirectly putting money into the pockets of the current day leaders. The Notre Dame fire has been a mess for that.>>459860>If you want to believe in God that's fine but why do you have to force YOUR rules on MY life?
I have some theoretical sympathy for Christians who want to "save" people's souls from eternal damnation by converting them, if they are really motivated with a concern to stop someone they love instead of self righteousness. The sympathy stops once they actually become preachy or hateful though, fuck that.
I think I have a lot of tolerance for it specifically because I haven't had to put up with this stuff. If I was around evangelical types a lot I would probably burn a church.
>>459869>I’m gonna make a sweeping blanket statement but I just don’t see any benefit of being religious which I couldn’t find elsewhere and it’s always something paltry like "I made friends at church".
I'm not anti, just trying to show a different perspective as to why some people are religious.
I was raised catholic, but for some years as a teen turned against it and even thought about joining buddhism - mainly because I was around some weird friends, who basically behaved like obnoxious yt atheist "intellectuals".
Right after I finished school I become depressed and one major thing that led to me breaking down and crying every single day was the sudden fear of death. Like I couldn't watch news or movies or listen to songs anymore, just the thought of me getting older or my parents dying made me lose my mind. Focusing more on religion again, on the belief that there is a heaven, that my dear grandparents are watching from above, that life won't just end after a couple decades, helped me a lot. Religion is supposed to give people hope, to help them if they feel scared or uncertain. And if every person on this planet would just abide by the 10 commandments, wouldn't this be a much better planet?
Even though the people there I live are very strictly catholic, we still behave a lot different from what I heard that american christians behave. So I guess that's why non-religious americans might be annoyed by them, but these "god created a flat earth, we must stay kissless til marriage" or the above mentioned spending time or finding friends/your partner in church-types definitely don't represent christianity in general, it's not a thing in other countries.
Oh boy do I have some anti-religion rants.
Firstly, I attended two religious schools growing up. I felt like a lot of time was wasted on learning Bible stories when it could have been better spent learning first aid or sign language or even just an hour of reading. Different organisations would regularly come in to pass out flyers and give lectures which were labelled as "sex ed". Some highlights from that era were:
>flyers that said contraceptives don't work and that oral contraceptives are actually an abortifacient so you're killing a little baby when you take the pill :( and contained "horror stories" from people who got pregnant while using contraceptives or had some rare, serious problem with them
>classes where teachers would compare people who have casual sex to dirty/regularly used items (like a dishcloth and we were a nice, clean new dishcloth and every new partner makes you dirtier) with demonstrations ofc, telling us that being lesbian was a phase and we'd get over it, passing around little plastic foetuses, talking about how disgraceful teen pregnancies were (even though they happened regularly and visibly pregnant students would just…disappear)
>organising debates that were very strangely worded ("Do you think we should kill babies? Yes or no?" "Do you think we should allow people to have religious freedom or should we go back to the days of Roman times when Christians were tortured?" "Should we just leave people in third world countries to starve and die? Yes or no?") etc. and very few people would pick the "wrong" choice as they'd be ripped into by the teacher in front of the whole class
>not giving us the HPV vaccine which helps to protect sexually active women from getting cervical cancer
>encouraging us to do "feminine" subjects (and discouraging us from doing STEM related ones) and recommending we pursue "feminine" jobs like being a teacher, receptionist, secretary etc.
>bizarre pseudoscience related to sex for example, that when you have sex chemicals are released that bond you to that person forever and you never experience it again with anyone else so you should save yourself for marriage and never consider divorce
>classes on how to shave, apply makeup, cook and what to expect from pregnancy (although in that teacher's defense, it probably helped a lot of girls who didn't have a mom/sister figure and were too embarrassed to ask these questions but it was still patronising)
All of this while living in a country where abortion, gay marriage, contraceptives and divorce were ILLEGAL up until quite recently (like the last 40 years) and where women/gay people/children have been severely abused by the church.
Then I have people close to me who are religion-obsessed (they rejected the religions they were raised with but just latched onto something else which seems to be quite common) and it fucking annoys me. They go around telling people that they won't go to heaven unless they "accept Jesus" before they die. They're convinced that everything in the Bible is 100% the truth and if you attempt to bring up some bizarre Bible quote, they'll come up with some explanation about how it was a product of the time (then why tf are you still reading it in 2019?) or it's some kind of metaphor for something else. They try to drag people to church on a regular basis or hand out Bibles/flyers. They voted not to legalise all of the laws I mentioned above which disgusts me and they always claim it's "freedom of religion" but never seem to think about women or gay people's freedom to live their lives. They mentally can't accept that someone isn't getting the same wonderful, spiritual experience they're getting from religious services or by flipping through some old, archaic text (you must be pretending to not have the same experience, right??). They have actually told me that people who don't have a religion are rapists, murderers, criminals etc. because they aren't following a moral code (as if laws don't exist and honestly if you need a fucking book to tell you that murdering someone is bad then I worry way more about you killing someone than I do myself…) Their churches manipulate their followers into voting certain ways, donating all their time and money and tell people what to wear, what to listen to, what to watch…it's so sick that this is happening to this day.
I made friends from different religions later in life and realised that it's all just the same misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic bullshit but under a different name. I haven't seen one yet that isn't.
Man I really hate people/organizations like that. They're so fucking irrational it's ridiculous. It probably sounds a little contradicting coming from someone who's Catholic and believes in the weird laws from the Bible but these people take it way too far. I always felt that if people didn't put so much force onto children to get into religion and make them believe they'd be damned for eternity there would actually be more people interested in it. My younger cousins are forced to go to church every Sunday and they absolutely hate it. I was never forced to go to church but rather taught simple lessons from the Bible that just make you a decent person (and other supernatural stuff, idk) by my mother and as I got older I naturally developed an interest in religion.
I also really don't like imposing my beliefs onto other people. Obviously, like any other religious person, I'd like people to join or whatever. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna sit here and vote for laws that only benefit people who are in my specific religion. There will NEVER be a time that everyone collectively decides to join one religion, so I might as well at least make life easier for the people around me because what they do really isn't my business as long as they aren't sitting there doing the absolute worst a human could possibly do. I feel like I can barely trust churches at this point. They spout utter nonsense even though the scriptures suggest otherwise, and people believe it because they refuse to analyze things for themselves half the time. They could potentially put a lot of people in danger.