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No. 2636796
As always, report and ignore bait.
ITT: Discuss the controversies and disagreements between fujoshi, yumejoshi, and himejoshi. Note: yumes and self-shipping aren't necessarily the same thing. Slashers and fujos also aren't exactly the same, though they heavily overlap.
Topics include:
>Whether there is a causal relationship between consumption of yaoi/slash and trooning out>Voyeurism vs. self-insertion>Yaoi men vs. bara men vs. 3DPD gay moids>Does the fiction a person consumes need to comport with their real-life ideology and politics>Female creators' portrayal of male-male sex/romance vs. male creators' portrayal of female/female sex/romance>Do women read yaoi or slash as an "escape" from misogyny IRL>Can women be "porn addicts" and/or why are women held to higher standards of moral purity than men>Whether (or why) lesbians can/cannot be fujoshi>No True Fujoshi (i.e., does enjoying "straight-with-extra-steps" shit like A/B/O, Mpreg, cuntboy, etc. make someone "less" of a fujoshi)>General moralfaggotryPrevious:
>>2584462 No. 2636802
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I don’t have a gold star….
No. 2636819
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>>2636745> Re:manlets You shouldn't expect anime to conform to actual yamato phenotypes that give japanese people complexes, anime is specifically the inverse or exaggeration ofstereotypical east Asian depicitions like those in western political satire, I;e
>super super pale skin compared to sullen, 'yellow' or tan skin >humongus, double lidded, dropped, bright technicolour eyes compared to thin, slanted monolidded dark brown eyes >pointy pointy miniscule noses compared to flared, famously flat noses >masculine and domineering shounen/seinen protags compared to emasculated faggots with shrimp dicks insert megalia sign Expecting japenises to include a biblically accurate hobbit-kun is like expecting them to make Miku a fat black trans wimmin.
No. 2636833
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>>2636826Some of them are cute
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>>2636836Must be tiring constantly having to question what is and isnt acceptable to like in anime based on irl standards. Cat boys would be zoophilic and liking 99% of characters would be illegal since most are high school aged. Genuinely why dont normalfags just stick to live action crap.
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>>2636836Reminded me of this chart, most short shounen protags tend to range between 5 and a half to 5 feet tall.
No. 2636848
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>>2636844>Cat boys would be zoophilicIt's just a guy with cat ears and a tail, I don't get how it would be any more zoophilic than a playboy bunny
No. 2636855
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>>2636826I will never, ever trust any kigus ever again after the precure incident with the tranny child molester, and the fucking precure janny (yeah, greeaaaat idea to have a panty snatcher moderating a forum for a little girl's show on a glorified porn website! I am totally not clutching my keys right now!) dilating over protecting the fucking rapehon instead of the
victims and families of those affected. There's nothing appealing about kigu to women when enlargening circle lenses, lining the waterline and dramatic lashes provides a less horrifying anime effect, it was fucking tailor made for trannies.
>>2636844he is SO CUTE FFFFFUU yuritanicals dilating while I'm being catered to every whim and will by my fleet of catbutlers. and yes, they are in boyheat.
No. 2636866
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>>2636855>There's nothing appealing about kigu to womenLulu Hashimoto? Kigus are in no way a moid only thing.
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>>2636848Don't be fooled that catgirl has a penis too
No. 2636869
>>2636854Depends on which kemonomimi logic we decided to go by. In nekopara the cat girls are born as kittens and age in cat years, so a 9 month old cat girl looks like a generic anime girl. Does that mean that liking said cat girl is equal to liking a 9 month old human baby? now if we go with magic transformation logic like in shugo chara it gets more complicated because one is not born a cat girl but becomes a cat girl so that's some transhumanism woowoo shit.
>>2636866This is appalling delete.
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>>2636868Kek
>>2636869>This is appalling delete.Shit taste, she's adorable.
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>>2636855Tbh I think the object/monster heads are cool but yeah, the tranny aspect involved with crossdressing makes it all a bit skeavy, I do find the more realistic(?) looking ones like
>>2636866 appealing though.
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(well made) Animegao masks are cute and I'm tired of pretending they're not
>>2636877>This is a moid? Yes it is, he's got a deep voice too.
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>>2636872um yeah, certainly a horror element… seeing early 2000s kigu websites made by sissies is fucking cranium crushing, I'll never get this titanic abomination out of my head. This predator is now probably 60 at the least and has grandkids who are posting jjk on TikTok not knowing that grandpappy was a pioneer weebfreak.
No. 2636893
>>2636710Penises are just rape-domination tools, it's not a must for procreation purposes, there're animals who procreate without it and there're female animals who have it and use it for domination and as a threat. So i'd argue since penis penetrating main purpose isn't exactly for procreation, but domination where procreation is not always the goal, getting fucked is not inherently female and getting your prostate rammed by another male or a hyena futanari is a submissive lower social status male thing. We're just cucked females as a species, but it's not inherently female to be so.
>>2636716That's hot! Where is this beauty from? Hope he dicks some Guts lookalike.
>>2636760KEKKKK
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I'll curb my kigu sperging bc it's violently off topic
I do want to continue it though kigus attract the lowest common denominator maladjusted retards kek but I don't know which boards it'd be relevant in, also not on /w/ because it's crystal cafe levels of dead but I wanted to teeter on alogging about kemokigus that some nonnies mentioned
>>2636872>most Chinese kigufurs are women It's incredibly weird how this is true when mixing furshit with weebshit with an added layer of anonymity and masking unsightly features seems like a total fagnet kek. I truly do hate the rise of spirit Halloween grade kigu masks being sold on shitholes like AliExpress for literal pennies and mommy's credit card snatching theiran tweeny weenies are going around flaunting their ""fursuits"" made by suicide net slaves along with their disgusting trash bag it's dresses and Amazon fetish gear. The last thing you could compliment furfags on way sthat they're incredibly creative and an insular yet collaborative and lucrative community, now it's as homogenized as any other hobby thanks to chinsey Chinese knockoffs. Literally every single artisan hobby is getting inundated with integrated tiktards who buy vinyl animu baby dolls off Amazon for five bucks and post them on den of angels or some shit, posting trash bag lace monsters on r/lolita while wearing demonias to obligatory asspats, and now furfaggots are getting gentrified. go back go back go back go back.
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>>2636922Because they do it for a fetish and/or for male attention. I would love a cute gnc moid that dresses in cute clothes for me, but rape apes are deeply insecure and can't do anything without the approval of their fellow fags, its why men only crossdress if it's to get off or to make other men get off to him. It's also why 2D>3D.
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Kek why is she so surprised that hetalia's author is a shotacon? I thought you were a fan? This was the image she shared in the link
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>>2636940KEK This is so embarrassing and admitting this on kiwi of all places
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>>2636952The constant retarded questions and spoonfeeding requests makes me feel like she's a minor
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>>2637195Its called being stylistic okay
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>>2637125oniisama e is yaoicoded
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>>2637680no they are just gigastacy mutant lesbians
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>>2637678>>2637684I like the art style for this series but their bugle chip finger hands are kinda freaking me out
No. 2637972
>>2636844Why am I not allowed to have standards just because liking 16 year old anime bishonen is allegedly bad because they're "underage"? Most of them don't look like kids to me is the point. Shotacons like shotas because they're little boys aka they register as children. Yeah yeah some of you see them as short men, I'm talking about the majority which is the japanese fanbase that sees them as little kids.
Humanoids aren't "animals" anon
No. 2638338
>>2638025They were replying to my previous posts moron
And no my favorite mangaka don't make lolisho
>>2638033People respond to day old posts all the time holy shit
No. 2638460
>>2638343>If you're just uwu'ing at the emotional closeness then it doesn't have to be BL or GL you have to consume for that.Well, true, many shippers just ship whatever.
>>2638349Probably just wrote for funsies. Many women and girls in fandom dip their toes into yuri from time to time, but it's obvious why it didn't took off as hard, no sexual excitement component.
No. 2638737
>>2638349so did the sexual tension get you off or did you get butterflies at the emotional closeness?
>>2638511I'm saying that those people don't enjoy BL romance, they enjoy the heartwarming feelings.
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Do any other fujos that also read het or GL have much different standards between those and BL? I love it when BL gets dark and edgy, but not so much when I'm reading het. I can make exceptions if it's written well, but even in fiction I don't like it when the woman is victimized or treated poorly in general.
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Why are jpn's BL seme+ukes so feminized, while Korea and China's are extremely masculine and femgaze? I think it's because ever since the 2010s and Webtoon esp BL Webtoon became mainstream, jpn's female mangaka and fan base have either learned Korean or Chinese and shifted to creating BL for those audiences and assimilating naturally amongst them and adapting their more humanized and femgaze customs, and EA's mannosphere have formed a coalition based in JPN to groom women into iumo [a- I will not language that represents depravity or infractions against reality, so I substitute all mannosphere language with my own euphemisms. iumo is equivalent to the word "waifu", which I will not grant validity or respect by uttering outside of definitions.] worship and self objectification a la Sabrina Carpenter, they saw a female exclusive culture and felt so offended and entitled that they pose as women, even to the extent of transition, to groom both individual female readers and Japanese + otaku women culturally. Male editors of shojo and later BL exclusive magazines were all men, so that's why historically ukes and some semes have resembled Iumo, include rape and other degenerative istao [a- istao, adjective, pronounced ee-suh-tah-oh, is a word that represents male sexual depravity and paraphilia, equivalent to the mannosphere colloquialism 'gooner'] that is not seen in other Japanese femgaze works, and AGP trappings such as crossdressing and tropes and visual iconography synthesized between both Japanese BL and iumofag istaoslop for salarymen. the feminized uke is always mandated by the aip-qeof [a- aip-qeof, noun, pronounced eye-eep-kah-off, is a combination of two words, aip, meaning dream, or yume, and qeof, meaning male. it is equivalent to the desecrated and colonized term of yumedanshi, a highly offensive skinwalk of yumejoshi.] managerial teams who replaces sexy bishies imagined by the female mangaka with false idols, lesser forms of their iumo, to inject rape, Sabrina Carpenter, and pregnancy fetishization along with numerous other culminations of misogynistic culture into women's literature to hinder the revolutionary potential inherent to BL. The rise of BL globally is in tandem with the proliferation of translated BL webtoons and Danmei, succinctly also coinciding the Korean feminist movements and Hillary Clinton presidential campaigns. JPN bl has existed as a distraction, stifflement and programming agent to suppress female gaze, hot bishies, and class consciousness amongst women, and must be rejected or inverted, and replaced with the consumption of BL webtoons and Manhwa by actual female authors and editors.
appended glossary for clarity and coherence:
[a(1)] Iumo = waifu
[a(2)] Istao = gooner
[a(3)] Aip-queef = yumedanshi
No. 2638964
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>>2638927Jap uke all being feminine is too overexaggerated for there to be a conspiracy, if anything its very much recorded how trends have shifted towards both uke and seme looking very similar to each other in comparison to the infamous 00s "super seme x uwu uke" era.
No. 2639092
>>2639087I
also agree with this. Wasn't it a statistic that most lesbian fujos have never even had sex with a woman before?
No. 2639093
>>2639076>BL/GL and straight romance have very strict, immovable tropes.This, the genres have been around long enough to have grown their own unique styles, trends, and traits seperate from just "man with man/woman with woman/woman with man".
Sometimes I wonder if series would work with switched sexes given the differences in traits. Retarded bl humor in a yuri, or that cgdct styled drama in a bl.
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>>2639087Speaking of liars, I searched for "lesbian fujo" on twitter and encountered some super milky individuals. One was claiming the label while being pedobaiter tuber with a loli avatar, and went viral last week thanks to some fujoism=feminism post where she claimed to have done legitimate research on this issue while studying at some jp uni. I looked at her sources and they were picrel kekekek
No. 2639181
>>2638788Tbh I can't get into boring SOL stories so I'd rather read something with some action in it even if it's
toxic and they're beating each other up. Whether it's BL or GL.
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>>2639161As resident mitsugifag I must defend his dignity, he may be a bitch but he's a pretty bitch
>>2639220Who are you talking about? Paradise's character designer wasn't among the artists for euphoria.
https://vndb.org/s6484 No. 2639287
>>2639207Nta and unpopular opinion but I think SOME of these women express their attraction to other women via "safe channels" like "nooo I'm drawing all these sexy girls for men, I'm not actually into women myself!!" But who spends hundreds of hours, for free, drawing sexy women even after getting a boyfriend? There are even camgirls who stop camming after getting a bf.
I think because these types of coomeroid women are detestable to other women (like who really wants a coomer as a gf or bf), these coomer artist women never get a chance to explore a relationship with another woman because no woman wants to get to know them. No discord gf 4 u.
I used to think bisexuality was not that common but after browsing LC for so long it's made me think "there are a lot of men and women in denial about themselves" but then again we are in a tranny era where men will call themselves straight while fucking a male in makeup. Basically even if some of these female artists are Kinsey 1 or 2s they're still bisexual, they just don't get the opportunity to explore it because no woman wants to date a woman whose priority is appealing to moids, that shit is unattractive.
No. 2639299
>>2639287You can like a thing in theory, but in all actuality, it's not appealing no matter how much you think about it. I don't find women attractive and even during my pickme days, the thought of romantically or sexually engaging with a women never crossed my mind. My retarded past self would've called it aegosexuality or whatever but now that I know why, it's safe to say I wasn't into women to begin with regardless of how many drawings or writing centered on women I make.
>but what if you never tried itI know several goldstars who never fucked men but were no less lesbian than the ones that dated a guy and hated it. I never eat shit but I know eating shit is gross so why do I need to date women just in case? Tell that to a questioning lesbian. Would you want them sent to slaughter to see if they're really into girls? This argument doesn't make sense.
No. 2639412
>>2639364>What did you like about it though, or did you actually like anything about it?for awhile, I desired to be attractive and noticed because my time as a young kid was rife with being ignored, laughed at, and bullied for good amount of my younger years. Consequently, I developed fetishes centered on body changes that made someone noticeable, more attractive; The nerdier the
victim, the better. I'd of course saw this and assumed this proved I was gay, not knowing I was subconsciously inserting as these girls going through it. Once I did, it felt like a switch went to men only mode, and I could only get off to fictional moids becoming "hot". I was now in the seat of the vouyer and no longer the subject of desire resulting in my loss of "attraction" to women. Tbh, that attraction was feigned. It was never real, only there to fit in with the overwhelmingly male spaces where the only acceptable sexualities were liking attractive women and,on a good day. maybe femboys?
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>>2639412What an oddly… specific situation you have…
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>>2639496This. Especially since domestic abuse is so common in yaoi.
No. 2639515
>>2639505exactly, im a ryonafag for all the bad reasons, none of this fluffy hurt/comfort shit
>>2639474i want to see your point, like the opposite of love is not hate but indifference, but it just doesn't hold up to scrutiny when most men into degrading women do so out of hatred, not idolization.
No. 2639549
>>2639041You wouldn't find it "romantic" you'd find it heartwarming. Most people like the "romance" in CCS because it's heartwarming. Likewise if you are lesbian and like yaoi you like the relationship itself, heartwarming or
toxic, not the romance. If you do swoon at the romance you're not lesbian lol
>>2639017Because if you get off to 2D moids fucking each other or even doing romantic things like kissing ,you're saying you would fuck those moids if they existed nona. However, most men are ugly, that's why you don't think that. If you just like relationships then it doesn't even have to be BL you have to read.
No. 2639569
>>2639505Iirc pretty sure there are authors who are very blunt about how they feel about men "I like seeing men suffer, so I draw yaoi for others who also want to see men suffer."
Not to say this has anything to do with the lesbo debate, but glorifying really isnt the right way about it unless its glorifying voyerism. It feels like its adding a forced standard onto women because women are the "one being done".
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>>2639599fair enough
>>2639610>>2639560when non fujos try to tell me what fujos are like, and non lesbians try to tell me what lesbians are like i do not listen
No. 2639624
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The topic is about lesbians reading bl but how about lesbians in bl? Feels like they still carry a bl vibe despite only being a side idea, its interesting to compare them to yuri.
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>>2639624Another one from another manga, I read, though this one was in a lavender relationship with one of the ml.
>>2639652It is, from one of the SD extras.
No. 2639711
>>2639610Let the girls consume porn, who the fuck cares.
I'm starting to understand why so many of you have trouble interacting with women in real life.
The moralfaggotry is through the roofs.
Get a hobby that isn't complaining about other women and their harmless fiction.
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>>2639052We apparently live in a world full of narcissists who are so allergic to empathy that they throw a tantrum at the mere
idea of someone enjoying a piece of media without turning one of the characters into a skinsuit for themself.
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>>2639757Your feelings of attraction are those of a straight woman, not a gay man. Take a look at the ideal body thread and you'll find that plenty of women like the same thing you do, myself included. I do not like emaciated teenagers, I like athletic-looking men with nice pecs and butts. I even like chest hair in certain narrow circumstances. How fucked up is it that our culture has taught women that these things "belong" to the gay male gaze? Is it part of UMPO, trying to discourage women from having standards?
Your sexuality is normal for a straight woman. Do not let retards manipulate you into believing otherwise.
No. 2639838
>>2639760learn to read, it is necessary for
romance. Otherwise you're just enjoying the heartwarming feelings or thriller that is
toxic relationship
No. 2639857
>>2639844Because the creators, like most humans on Earth, are usually straight and heterosexual relationships are their frame of reference. They're not
trying to make gay relationships "straight with extra steps," they're just writing/drawing what they're used to, not fully realizing that it doesn't make sense in this different context. These people are still going out of their way to write something with two males or two females for a
reason, and people have given you those reasons a
million times.
No. 2639874
>>2639745its so weird how this way of thinking just keeps spreading even with women who arent tifs and somehow they
(i dont mean just that anon) won't make the connection that maybe there's not just this couple specific ways of being a straight woman
No. 2639889
>>2639871Speaking of, if
>>2638964 is anything to go by it seems more like the whole super masculine seme x weepy feminine uke was a just passing fad.
No. 2640133
>>2639867I just
told you why they do that, and you ignored me:
>Because [yuri is] made for straight men, who tend to dislike masculine women, whereas otaku women are more likely to enjoy feminine male characters.Were it not for men having incredibly narrow standards of female beauty/behavior, you probably
would see more ~~~dimorphism~~ in yuri. And in any case, why the hell does it matter anyway? We've already established that yuri and yaoi are not realistic depictions of same sex relationships, nor are they intended to be.