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No. 2615212
This thread is about Israelis, Jews, Judaism, and Hebrew (both language and the people).
Unlike the MENA thread this doesn't necessarily have to do anything with the middle east nor north Africa as there are Jews living outside of there like Ashkenazi Jews
Don't do race bait, and don't start attacking each other, and that's it, that's the main rules. Also it's allowed in here to speak in Hebrew, and maybe other Jewish languages but try to stick to English and Hebrew or other languages that are either associated with Jews (Aramaic, Yiddish, Ladino, גרוזינית (some dialect of Georgian forgot its name in English, I think it's called judeo Georgian)) or Israelis (Russian, Arabic, Amharic) rather than just random languages
Optional stuff to discuss:
>Jewish culture
>history of Jews, Israel, Israelis etc..
>life in Israel
>experiences with learning Hebrew
But you can add whichever idea you want
No. 2615244
>>2615232Hey nona, sorry to hear about your difficulties in Hebrew, but I would suggest using pealim.com
It's a site that allows you to inflect Hebrew words. It's avaliable in English, Hebrew, Russian and Spanish. There's also the Hebrew academy site but it's avaliable exclusively in Hebrew because the English version of the site is lackluster
Also what level are you in Hebrew? Like complete begginer? Understanding biblical Hebrew but struggling with modern? Struggling with (in)formality? You kinda understand just can't speak? If you can be more specific then I'll be able to give better advice
And I hope your journey of Hebrew goes well
And also here's one word in Hebrew to learn: אישה (isha). It means a woman but its plural is irregular
Also could you teach me some Yiddish? I really wanted to learn it
No. 2615265
>>2615212do secular Jews usually come to realize how backwards the rites and superstitions in (orthodox?) Judaism actually are? I ask this in the same way I would ask the post-Islam thread (which apparent got deleted?)
anyway I'm suspecting this thread might be begging for "racebait" by the way it's conflating Zionism with Judaism, most of whom wouldn't condone the actions of its current government (including those living there)
No. 2615285
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Awesome thread nona I hope it doesn't get locked kek I wanted to give honorable mentions to the klik nona who posted about this snack recently
No. 2615289
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>>2615285speaking of Israeli snacks, I hate how this brand is so hyped (and way too expansive) but those ones taste so good
No. 2615294
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>>2615289picrel is my fave I'd die for her
No. 2615296
>>2615265OP again here, so here are the facts:
1. Palestinians are very new namefor their group when it comes to usage about their specific group I think it's only started being a massive thing in the 60s but the name Palestine is old like really old and dates back to Provincia Syria Palaestina which is renamed land of Israel after some historical stuff happened (if you wanna know, research on the Internet about roman exile or destruction of second temple but all you gotta know is that Palestinians are new group, but Palestine isn't new concept and is name that was used as punishment against Jews by removing the name Israel from the land of Israel). But what you also gotta know is that this place controlled by the Romans is called after some group mentioned in the bible, they're called in Hebrew פלשתים (plishtim) which are arch enemies of the Jews and Israelites because goliat was Plishti and he fought against david so yeah you can see why Jews aren't keen to support Palestine (too new group, named is literally both a punishment and reminder to worst enemies). Now we get to their government, which is horrendous. Israeli government is incompetent but Palestinian government is very much awful and that's a nice way to put it. The Palestinian government, aka hamas, uses human shields, controls all sources of media, done October 7th and other tragic stuff but on a lesser scale, and worst of all has some of the worst human rights for women. Apart from that they rejected division plan and they're not willing to compromise on anything. They, hamas, started using zionist as dogwhistle for Jew, so basically they're always saying death to Jews by saying death to zionists. I want to continue my comment but honestly it drains my energy to write about this topic. If you want me to continue just tell me. And btw which is just surface level stuff like if there's any nonas that are experts here about it feel free to add to my stuff and yeah my English sucks ass I really need to improve it.
No. 2615301
>>2615294>>2615289>>2615285רגע אני לא היחידה פה מישראל? זה הפתיע אותי חח
קיצר, איך אתן? מקווה שאתן בטוחות כרגע בעיקר במצב הביטחוני הנוראי שיש פה
ועוד דבר, יש פרות שאתן חושבות שאפשר לעשות פוסטים עליהם פה? פשוט יש פה יתר שיח על דברים מחו"ל ומעט מאוד על ישראל וזה
No. 2615303
>>2615301sorry
nonny I'm not israeli I have been there a ton and I have a lot of israeli friends that's why I know the snack and other stuff. I miss the hummus there. My friends are all safe but it's still shit to deal with. The israelis I know are incredibly resilient and I really admire them for it because I have nightmares sitting here in my safe country. Sorry no hebrew kek
No. 2615305
>>2615301>יש פרות שאתן חושבות שאפשר לעשות פוסטים עליהם פה?אין לי מושג להגיד לך תאמת, אני בכללי פחות מעוניינת בחלק של הדרמה באתר אבל אם יש לך פרה שאת יכולה לספר עליה אל תיתביישי.
וגם כן את נשמעת כמו מישהי חדשה, ככל הנראה יחסמו אותך עוד מעט טיפ לעתיד תיכתבי הכול בפוסט אחד.
No. 2615309
>>2615296"Philistines" is actually a derogatory term from the Bible that was subsequentally appropriated by German intelligentsia during the 19th century to denigrate anti-intellectualism
see:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/philistine No. 2615315
>>2615285THAT WAS MEEE KEKKK. love these little
chocolate fuckers
No. 2615316
I’m not Jewish (so so sorry if asking this question is intruding on Jewish nonnas spaces!) and this is 101% not racebait, pls pls respond cordially! But a recent experience I had really bothered me that’s related to how Israel is perceived post oct23. I was visiting a museum recently which provided facts about medicinal herbs, and there was an exhibit about olives, olive plants and cultivation etc, and it mentioned Israel as being one of the areas olives originate from and is cultivated in. However, the name Israel get keyed over or however it was vandalized, and god that just ticked me off as such western stunning and brave slacktivism. There’s been a ton of demonization without consideration that Israel is a land and cultural force outside of conflict.
For Israeli nonnas, both living in the mainland and who immigrated to different countries, how have people reacted to your Israeli heritage post oct23? How do you wish Israeli culture was seen in this tumultuous political climate?
(And I’m restating that this question is NOT meant as racebait or flamewar fuel, please please be respectful. And also, I was wondering if in general, discussion of oct23 and the war is something to consider banning in this thread or not?)
No. 2615319
>>2615315כנ"ל לגביי, קליק יש לזה טעם גן עדן, מה הייתי עושה בשביל שיהיה לי אספקה אינסופית של זה, מה הייתי עושה
By the way sorry if I wrote this and you don't speak Hebrew and you're just a nona that visited Israel and ate the snack, I was basically saying it has heavenly taste and that I want an infinite amount of it. Anyways do you prefer speaking in English or Hebrew?
No. 2615427
This is a really obscure topic, but I'm part Moroccan and interested in the folklore. As you know in MENA folklore there are djinns, and like humans djinns can have any religion.
There are some esoteric groups in Morocco that hold ceremonies to invoke certain djinns who are believed to be good and help people (somewhat akin to how Catholics invoke saints). I've noticed that in videos of the ceremonies for some of the Jewish djinn, there will be non-kosher food (for example this video of a party for the genie Hammadi/David has shellfish), and I've seen a couple of videos of parties for Hammadi's daughter Maria that also have shellfish, and it will be on the same table that has a menorah or other Jewish artifacts. I can't find any information on why non-kosher food is offered, especially because I've heard that if you're making offerings to a Jewish djinn the food has to be kosher and the wine has to be Jewish made etc. Unfortunately Moroccans don't record shit so if you want to learn the folklore you have to talk to people who are into that side of things, but I haven't been able to find anyone who knows the reason behind this.
I know this is really out there, but if anyone has a Moroccan Jewish grandparent who knows about this stuff I would really love to find out the answer. Or anything about the Jewish genies because it's generally harder to find information about them.
No. 2615488
>>2615319so they actually have klik in the US kek. i always see their chocolate at my local, small supermarkets where i live. i’m american but im jewish mena as well, although not israeli
i can understand hebrew pretty well but i suck ass at speaking and writing because of the grammar rules (zachar and nekava, pluralism, etc). truthfully if i tried to respond in hebrew, i’d definitely make so many mistakes and you would probably get confused kek. wish i could speak/write more easily. but you can respond in hebrew and i’d still understand just fine!!!
No. 2615534
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The nation-state of Israel is an affront to the Jewish religion. The true Jewish homeland is Brooklyn.
No. 2615547
>>2615535…i'm sure it's just as casual as exchanging presents on christmas but not going to church every sunday.
>>2615545"jewish or israeli" they are not and will never be the same thing, no matter how much you want us to believe this.
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>>2615536Aw these look cute, I could definetly attempt making these. Thanks for the recommendation, I wanted to ask nonas for some but wasn't sure how
No. 2615558
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>>2615545It's because /pol/fags shitting up the board for literal months now and not even bothering to hide their lingo + actual nonnas being repulsed by politics. Sorry jewish nonnies. On a positive note, this thread is a perfect honeypot for bans.
No. 2615571
My boyfriend went on the Birthright Israel trip when he was in his late teens since he was poor (Birthright was fully paid for him) and politically illiterate at the time. He was so disgusted by the casual racism towards Palestinians he witnessed that it was the final breaking point for him to not follow through the religion even though he was leaning towards secularism already.
>inb4 bait, larp, fake story, etc.Even if you don't believe me, there are so many videos of their casual racism and young kids being brought up to be racist there. It's not hard to find.
>>2615517Based. Not to mention a lot of radfem scholars were Jewish.
>>2615558>>2615562The first racebait post on here was gleefully talking about genociding Arabs, stop playing
victim.
No. 2615577
>>2615571>boyfriend did not want to join the religionokey, that's fine and
valid. This thread is for discussing things like this but in a civilized matter
No. 2615585
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nonas again, lets ignore and report the idiots and move on. Anyone has a good challah recipe? I haven't found the right one yet!
No. 2615591
>>2615580He talked with other Israelis who were casually racist towards Palestinians, there are many Birthright stories like this and it’s not unique to him. Why is it so hard to accept your wittle ethnostate isn’t perfect? I’ve never seen someone be so cult like over their country like this. Not even Americans.
>>2615585No but on a somewhat related note is it wrong to eat it not during religious occasions or holidays? There is a local baker who makes it in her house and it looks fucking delicious but I don’t know if it would be awkward for o inquire her about it.
No. 2615610
>>2615591maybe because casual racism isnt unique to jews, arabs have their fair share of racism towards jews and it's not like it'd be any different for a jewish person in an arab society/school.
plus the supposed "cult like devotion" to israel is actually just because any perceived problem people have with the country is later used to argue for it's dismantlement. people who criticize america don't call for it to be dismantled and for americans to go back to europe in the same breath, so israelis can be on the defensive about it sometimes. Israelis critize their own country all the time, you can do it without trying to paint all israelis as racist bigots.
No. 2615620
OP here I'll answer some of the stuff here
>>2615316People react very badly when I say I'm an Israeli like they talk about it as if it's worse than north Korea
>>2615351Glad you liked being with us! And yeah I know there are Jews living outside of Israel or MENA in general, I'm just more familiar with Jews from Israel
>>2615421I don't watch comedians so much in general so I got no idea lmao
>>2615427Wish I could answer but I'm Ashkenazi (אשכנזיה)
>>2615488הבנתי. בוא נראה כמה את מבינה על מה אני מדברת עכשיו. למשל עניין אותך ההיסטוריה של אבחזיה או איזה שיט מטומטם אחר בסגנון? כי רציתי ללמוד היסטוריה אבל אני מפגרת אחושקשוקה חחחחח
וגם את אשכנזיה או ספרדיה?
>>2615501Yeah the discourse about the topic is leading to some of the most retarded discussions I've seen especially from pro Palestinians, but even pro Israeli are retarded occasionally just not to the same level
>>2615503Is this bait?
>>2615535Judaism does have shitty treatment towards women like every other religion on the planet but Israel in comparison to other countries has relatively good women's rights it just that arsim and datiyim are misogynistic af but like if you ignore them you get a semi decent country to live in for women. Also there's 0 expectations of being polite in Israel so that's another advantage. But I guess your American mind can comprehend that places different from the US act differently from it, but what do I expect Americans are genuinely so fucking stupid
>>2615544It's not cope, it's literally how judaism works. Like I lived my whole life in Israel, is that not reliable sources?
>>2615545Yeah we can't fucking talking about our experiences without getting death threats and retarded arguments
>>2615554Because while the Israeli government in incompetent in many ways it's still better to have than not have it because of the shitty treatment we get and got worldwide. They protect us. And no this isn't bait because all I wanted is to discuss stuff related to my culture but then retards came in and said shit like death to all Jews. Not reporting you because I think you were just confused and not intentionally meaning ill. As I said I don't speak English that well so I suck in expressing myself so I'm not the best nona to ask for explanations
>>2615547Did I say that they're the same thing? No, then why are you pretending that I said that? I don't know much about Jews worldwide so like who cares? I still want to hear their stories
You know what? I'm stopping to reply for now I'll just add other stuff cuz the retardation here is way too much for me to handle. Here's the last comment I'm commenting to:
>>2615571Yeah Israelis in general are very racist I'm not gonna deny it but Palestinians are way more than just racists. They literally murder anyone they suspect of being a Jew. Just shows you only heard 1 side of the story. Israel at the very least started to progress in women's rights somewhat, but Palestine is in absolute shithole state not only because of idf bombing them but also cuz hamas made retarded decisions. I'm glad tho that at the very least you didn't use obvious bait and I hope it wasn't bait
(extremely unintegrated posting style) No. 2615634
>>2615610נונה, זה מה זה לא מובן מאליו מה שאת אומרת בעיקר בימים הללו. הצביעות של אמריקאים גורמת לי לרצות להקיא שילכו לעזאזל אמן אמן בעזרת השם. ולא אומרת בקטע של שנאת חינם, בקטע שיתחפפו למה מי ביקש מהם שהם יביאו את הדעות שלהם על מדינות שנמצאות בצד השני של העולם? פשוט בושה וחרפה
I just assumed you're Israeli but I basically criticised Americans for their hypocrisy
>>2615591It's ok you can eat it whenever you like there's no restrictions about it
>>2615558Thank you for giving comment that isn't /pol/sperging. You don't know how much I'm thankful. Anyways are you ethnically Jewish, religiously Jewish, Israeli, zionist, Hebrew, Hebrew speaker etc…? Or do you just like reading about this? Don't worry I don't judge if you're not Jewish or something else from the list
>>2615562Yeah cuz anti semitism seems to be everywhere. Not even my favourite forum seems to be free of that because pro Palestinians infest themselves every fucking where with literally 0 proof behind their claims
No. 2615675
>>2615648וואייי אנונית איזו מבוססת את לול, מתי התחלת להתעניין בפנימיניזם רדיקלי/+ הגעת לנקודת המשבר שלך (בנוגע לטרנסג'נדרים?)? אני בת 22 אוטוטו וזוכרת איזו שערוריה הייתה עם יונתן יניב יימח שמו סביבות 2018/2019 וזה מה שהביא אותי לנקודת המשבר, הייתי צופה בבלייר ווייט וכאלה, אני לא זוכרת אם שמעתי עליו דרך לולקאו או קיוויפארמס.
בנוגע ליוטיוברים אני מחבבת את caseoh, sarah baska (שמעלה סרטונים בתדירות מאוד נמוכה אבל עדיין אני אוהבת אותה), וכל מני סרטונים רנדומלים כגון vidrel, בריינרוט כמו שאומרים
No. 2615702
>>2615683neh I find it stupid. Women in a modern country can decide and think for themselves. Look at
>>>/ot/2615626 it's her decision to just blindly listen to this moid. I'm sorry but for women like that I can't have empathy.
No. 2615710
>>2615690זה יצורים מקיוויפארמס ו4צ'אן, אני יודעת כי הם היו מפרסמים מלא בייט בתקופה של הבחירות בארה"ב וניסו לשכנע את הבנות פה להצביע לטראמפ, היו מפרסמים אינטיליגנציה מלאכותית של קאמלה ערומה שיט כזה
למה שזה יהרוס לי את היום? תזכרי שאת חיה במדינה בה את לא צריכה להקשיב לזה ולתת לזה להשפיע עלייך, פשוט צריך לצאת החוצה ולגעת בדשא. ליטרלי כל המהות של ישראל זה שיש לנו מדינה הרחק מהרטוריקה האנטישמית הזאת. פשוט להתעלם
No. 2615767
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I'm not Jewish, but I'd like to ask if anyone has ever encountered cowish Jewish converts, because there was a local café called The Pink Peacock that's kind of notorious in Glasgow and was run by a wannabe Jewish convert.
>The owner was a rich trust fund non-binary TIF who went by Morgan/Moishe and claimed to be Jewish. But the truth is that she's not Jewish at all, she just had a Jewish FWB and thought that made her Jewish by extension.
>They made a big thing about being Scotland's only Yiddish café, but the Yiddish used on the storefront and menus was grammatically incorrect, plus nobody asked for it because very, very few people in Glasgow speak Yiddish, and the small Jewish community there speak English anyway.
>Complained about other local cafés gentrifying the area, even though nearly all the other cafés were there first and were owned by locals, while The Pink Peacock was run by rich kids from New York.
>Made a big deal out of being inclusive of minorities, but some minorities said they felt unwelcome because they weren't in the circle of artsy rich kids the owners were in. They also taunted the police into coming to the café by advertising the fact they sold universal handcuff keys, in an area with a high population of black and brown people.
>The food was supposedly in meagre portions and very mediocre. They had a stupid pay-what-you-can system that went all the way down to $0, so they weren't making much money on food either.
>They also had irregular opening times. The staff would just randomly open the café whenever they felt like it (apparently Morgan herself never got up before noon).
>There's a rumour that they put envelopes full of shit through the letterboxes of other local businesses. No idea if it's true but it's one of the most widespread things you hear when people talk about it.
>They shut down around two years ago and someone went on Reddit claiming they were forced to shut down because of antisemitism and queerphobia. Even though the real reason was their insane business plan.
>Morgan returned to New York and is planning to reopen the Pink Peacock there. She also said she's planning on learning Yiddish in New York.
I've never met a Jewish convert or wannabe convert irl, but online they all seem absent bonkers, same with Muslim converts online (I've met Muslim converts irl and all of them were people who converted just because their partners families expected them to, but they're not really cowish).
It's too bad because I think The Pink Peacock is a cute name.
No. 2615776
>>2615767Kek what the fuck, these people sound
extremely cowish and retarded. When Morgan reopens in New York she's probably gonna cry about how she was boolied by the nazi population of
terf island
No. 2615811
>>2615767>I've never met a Jewish convert irl but have met Muslim convertsThis has a lot to do with the fact that Judaism is more exclusionary than inclusive. They don't just let anyone in. You have to extensively study the Torah and prove yourself to a Rabbi who will convert you. Christianity and Muslims will literally take anyone regardless of how much or little they know about the Bible or Quran.
I knew one Jewish convert growing up. She did it to marry and she was an intelligent woman so I can see her being able to memorize and recite what was needed to officially convert her. She was the only family that would do nightly prayer that I knew in my Jewish community lmao.
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>>2615877I nominate Jewish Woman from Tangier by Charles Landelle as thread pic, for no reason other than I think it's pretty.
No. 2616161
There's a lowkey German lolcow who runs whitedate.net (Liv Heide) who was once dating a Jewish guy. She talked about being in their synagogue and at family gatherings and all the Jewish people there (apparently) acting as if she was superior to her. She must've been a lolcow during this time too, because her own retrospective articles have her bringing up pro-white politics around her jewish in-laws and picking fights.
Anyways, she had a messy break up and then proceeded to launch a white only dating site (which she had to contract indians to build), rageposted about her ex-jewish boyfriend in multiple white nationalist, anti-jewish journals, and called for the revenge against the jewish people for their crimes.
>>2615811I've heard Reform Judaism in the United States is basically so every Jewish woman and her goy husband can feel welcome, and that the Israeli jews just don't get reform judaism at all. It's like "why bother, you can be secular and jewish". It's got to the point where most American jewish conversions aren't recognized by Orthodox Israeli rabbis and the whole "hard to convert" thing doesn't really apply in the States, as far as I know many don't even require circumcision. From an outsider perspective, it looks like Reform Judaism has hard been influenced by Christianity, especially in regards to total openness and universalism, they even ape the stained glass cathedral style for their larger synagogues.
I live in a country with a minimal amount of jews, but every forth family has some grandpa or great uncle that goes on about how they're jewish. This confuses a lot of kids so they go to school saying "Oh I'm part jewish", only to find out as adults their family tree goes back to Britain and nowhere else. Turns out there was a massive religious trend here 100 years ago with British people pretending they were the actual Israelites based on some interpretation of the bible, and we grew up with the residual result of that with on-the-deathbed grandmas insisting we never forget we're the real jews. I always wonder if Israelites have to deal with dumbass evangelicals going to their country and insisting that they're the actual jews.
(Mods are welcome to delete this post if they find it too racebaity)
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it’s me again, anons. which one should i get