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No. 2472431
ITT: Defenders and detractors debate the morality and utility of AI.
Topics of discussion may include but are not limited to:
>What jobs can be replaced by AI?>How can deepfakes be stopped? >Can AI-generated art be copyrighted? >How does AI insert bias? >What data should AI be allowed to collect? >Will AI develop a conscience?>Can AI chatbots replace human companionship?>Will AI destroy us all?Do not post AI-generated art in this thread. /m/ AI containment thread:
>>>/m/443713 No. 2472451
>>2472443If I write the prompts right, I can force an AI to call me out properly for therapy. No sugarcoating, "everything you do is totes
valid!!" or armchair diagnoses like a lot of quack therapists. I'm also using it to polish my prose, it's pretty helpful and has taught me stuff they never really teach you even with something like a creative writing degree.
AI slop just looks ugly as fuck. Overly glossy, weird faces and hands. I don't care if people want to generate dogs flying planes, I've done it too, but after a while it just gets… lame for me? It's just so easy it makes me feel empty inside kek.
Also AI is used to make CP.
No. 2472542
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I'll start a quandary. When is an AI image generation model "ethical enough"? Say someone makes their own model and loras for making personal art, is that equally bad as sloppeddlers stealing artstyles and making clickbait disinfo for a content farm?
Is a model that is ethical to the public eye possible? Can people against AI be satisfied when people using AI try to choose ethical methods? To clarify, an ethical model would be a self-sourced model with their own images, or could easily be sourced from public domain art free of abuse material. There are also many public domain models out that are free of photography/carefully curated to not be trained on children when the model is designed to be NSFW capable. That's not to mention how most publicly ran models are incapable of rendering NSFW as it is. It is intentionally obtuse to label all models as "CP MACHINES" when the most commonly used models like DALL-E and midjourney can't even render NSFW on their own. If you dont know the effort some developers put into keeping their data clean of abuse material, you are likely too ignorant in the development of ethical models to have relevant commentary on AI ethics. citing that one model trained was on CSAM when you can find 10 others that have explicit policies and data to prevent CSAM and deepfake generation shows that people aren't willing to see that efforts to push AI into an ethical direction, and are only interested in statements that imply that the technology itself is implicitly evil and needs to be erased. Which is impossible, so both sides must be willing to make concessions.
Without the question of copyright and CSAM involved when an ethical model is used, AI imagery becomes a debate of artistic integrity and the environment. To address the environmental factor, the level of power consumed by all generative ai is alarming, until you look at the perspective of what the global power expenditure is. Streaming video is estimated to consume ~250 terawatt-hours per year (accounting for about 1% of global electricity use), while chatgpt, the king of ai energy consumption, is estimated to be consuming around 7 terawatt-hours per year (0.028% of the world's electricity use). If you are concerned about the environment, you could do your part by returning to physical media, but those that argue for the sake of the environment won't because of the convenience of streaming. Does this not denote hypocrisy in the environmental argument? To continue on my core point, the power usage of private models is basically irrelevant in comparison to public models, making it the most ethical mode of AI image generation. The usage of a local model takes the power equivalent of using an air conditioner or car for the same amount of time, where is the environmental outrage every time someone mentions using a car or AC? 3d printing a single small print consumes nearly x8 the energy of a local generation of one image, where is the pouring outrage towards 3d printer bros destroying the earth? It indicates the environmental point is a virtual signalling issue that most people fall back on when they can't target the reason why AI makes them upset.
Destroying the art market and job security should be a justified enough reason to be angry, but it reveals another hypocrisy. Artists are scared about their job security, but show minimal awareness that many jobs have had their job security threatened by automation, and is an unfortunate inevitability that will not render artists into irrelevancy, but will trim the fat of the market for artists incapable of competing. It becomes a grey area that invokes unfortunate casualties, because technological advancements are inevitable for every career on earth. This is one of the most valid points of contention, but in the subject of ethical AI, reveals the majority problem is not with the technology itself, but the industry that exploits artists, and the competitive nature of the artist market.
My ending question is, if ai users are willing to make these contentions to appeal to the sensibilities of those that are against it, will they be accepted by those who refuse to engage in good faith? Or will the goalposts continue to shift, revealing that the core issue isn’t just ethics, but an unwillingness to accept technological change? And most importantly, what defines an ethical ai image generation model to you?
No. 2472555
>>2472461the issue with ai images doesn't really stop at art.
I recently saw what was very clearly an ai chart for medical purposes. Unless we put ai images under a filter that separates them from non-ai, this could be disasterous.
No. 2472559
I hate how, now, if you have a decent enough PC and do some research, you can make realistic deepfake CSM. It's making the dead internet theory a reality and these corpo's behind it are not on the side of the little guy. They want many jobs replaced and, since company towns are making a comeback, I see it more likely that we're paid like shit and forced to slave away in a corporate town than a utopia. Wealth distribution will get smaller and smaller. Technological feudalism mixed with ideocracy. These companies pushing AI have in the past hired people to exploit your psychology to keep you hooked on their platforms. Now imagine that with a mix with CCP level of surveillance.
People act like removing the ability to make AI video/photo will stop the good things it does. It won't. Text AI was fine but image and video generation has no benefit and is dangerous. It's retarded how chatgpt and other companies can get away with violating copyright while we can't.
I see the people who dismiss others concerns as retarded bootlickers. Morons who won't realize the problem until it's too late. If you think the lack of privacy in the modern world is disturbing now, it's going to get 10x worse in the future. The only one being somewhat smart about this is the EU. Keep calling people "luddites" when you're forced to be nothing but amoeba for the rich.
"Wetware" and other weird attempts at making AGI are not beneficial for humanity. Brain chips are not beneficial to humanity. People will stand for anything even if it's against themselves.
Art affects culture. Art is so much more than what people believe it to be. We've already seen the start of a corporate dominated culture. Now imagine that but these platforms and companies selling you nothing but artificial content. Music, movies, TV shows, literature, news outlets, fashion. You won't be able to trust anything unless you see it right in front of you.
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Sigh…this thread is going to be just like the antifujo vs fujo threads isn't it?
Either ways I like ai especially for things like role-playing. Ai yumes rise the fuck up.
Yes there are bad things about ai but you can say the same thing about ALL TECHNOLOGY and not just ai. With every new thing you have both bad things and new things.
No. 2472582
>>2472575>nowThey have been illiterate for ages kek
>>2472577Yeah. Lolicons constantly say "b-but we're just getting out the urges, at least we're not touching real kids" but now that AI is a thing, real kids are being trained for AI. So… yeah. The best way to get rid of a habit is to not do it.
No. 2472588
>>2472583>>2472572To be fair I clicked on the first random one I saw and screenshotted.
The actual chatbot I am talking to is alot more normal but I ain't gonna share my private convos.
No. 2472611
Pov: it's 2100 and you can finally have sex with Connor from DBH for real.
No. 2472640
>>2472464agreed csam was already a huge problem and now ai only makes it worse it only gives predators freedom to abuse children (thankfully ai csam is illegal now), the other issue for me is deepfakes and the potential of my images being used in porn, if ai was only used in the medical field or the astronomical areas where it was needed i wouldnt mind it but its not being used for that its being used to replace human hobbies and target women and children more, i was already scared enough to be on social media but now ive deleted my personal account even if i wanted to keep in touch with my family but the risk of some moid using my images is too much
and the only one whose in any fatal danger is me if fake porn gets made of me any woman who keeps supporting image generation ai is only supporting moids who want to violate womans and childrens human rights
No. 2472650
I'm a nonnie working in tech and I'm actually horrified about AI. Now, it's extremely efficient in doing calculations that would take way too much time from humans and can't afford calculation errors, that's for sure. But so much of the hype is artificially inflated by the people developing these models and selling them. Investors are being told that they can cut 30-40% of the workforce because AI increases efficiency to the point the remaining people can just take care of everything via prompting, which is in no way true in practice but rich people don't care. The AI craze is going to damage so many industries with mass layoffs and people going jobless because some out of touch investors thought that a LLM can fully replace human cognition and because they don't appreciate human effort at all, and it's depressing. It's such a post capitalism scenario, everyone's learning skills are deteriorating, including mine. I just ask AI for shit now instead of figuring it out for myself. And why do I do it? Because I'm being forced to. I'm forced to work more efficiently and harder, and I can't meet those demands without asking AI to do part of my work for me. I'm still burned out, stressed, just as overworked as ever, but now there's an added layer of laying my trust on a machine the way I never had to before. I seriously dread for the future. I feel like there's no going back from this and we're done for. Smug people still have around two years to cope with how "it's just natural selection, you just need to swim or sink" because they too, will be replaced soon enough. Why are we as humans so eager to destroy ourselves? UBI will never be a thing, tech billionaires would never allow it despite having enough money to last them a billion lifetimes. Once AI takes over in full, most of us will go to peasant level poverty and misery working 15-hour shifts at massive warehouses to satisfy the 1%'s frivolous life style.
No. 2472680
>>2472650>Smug people still have around two years to cope with how "it's just natural selection, you just need to swim or sink" because they too, will be replaced soon enough. Why are we as humans so eager to destroy ourselves? UBI will never be a thing
>UBI will never be a thing, tech billionaires would never allow it despite having enough money to last them a billion lifetimes. Once AI takes over in full, most of us will go to peasant level poverty and misery working 15-hour shifts at massive warehouses to satisfy the 1%'s frivolous life style.Exactly what I've been thinking, new age feudalism. Pro Ai retards don't want to see it but this is going to kill us. don't want to think of consequences they just want to be lazy sacks of shit. They want their coom and memes. The devil is real and the devil is selfish researchers and the silicon valley.
>"NOO DON'T REGULATE IT, I HOWPE ALL OF YOU ARTISTS ARE REPLACED BECUASE I NEED MY COOM AND MY MEMES. COPYWRITE FAGS AWRE NO FWUN."I have seen so much of this retarded shit on the other farms it's insane.
>Eat bugs>live in shitty section tier 8 housing>social credit system>watch nothing but artificially created entertainment that serves the ideals of corporations and the 1%.>Listen to artificially created music that also serves your corpo overlords.The more I think about it we're going to probaby turn the whole world into some north Korean level shit. We memed ourselves into 1984.
No. 2472714
>>2472443Same
To me AI has been useful for two things. First, Therapy or really just talking about what's bothering me which to me is the equivalent of journaling. This isn't me isolating myself from my friends. I tried but unfortunately they start doing this whole "actually i have it worse than you" dance which is insensitive. I went to a therapist anyway but booking the session takes forever. The second being job applications (interview prep, cover letters and CVs) because that shit is soul sucking anyway.
I tried using it for shopping it's not that good but better than google which pulls all these SEO optimised pages. Which I know Chatgpt also does but from experience it brings about new results. Adding "reddit" or going on tiktok for "user generated content" is probably the best you can do but people get memed into parroting the same response.
>>2472561That's true. Google images is practically unusable imo. At least with Pinterest you can game the algo to avoid or minimise the amount of AI pics you're seeing.
No. 2472734
Ai haters: I hate ai, ai has no value blah blah blah
Meanwhile: this masterpiece
Checkmate ai haters.
No. 2472737
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>>2472461Samefagging
>>2472700 because AYRT is irking me. Like I said, you are describing post modernism and post modernism is dry rot to all creative spaces and all non-retards reject it and its ideology, which only leads to despair, detachment, nihilism and suicidality. If you knew anything about art movements you would not say what you said.
>inb4 muh accessibilityKnowing about art cost me nothing more than the energy to live as someone with a half working brain and the ability to see, and it didn't even take that much time. I am a retard poorfag with no resources and somehow I magically have learned all this.
I don't care about generative AI imitating art despite being a drawfag, I care about actual real world harm it can and will and does cause, I also care about people acting haughty about art while pulling shallow ignorant gotchas. "AI art is good acktually because banana on wall acktually urinal that everyone hated except people huffing farts and students" there are worse post modernist "artworks" like a fucking scrunched piece of paper or a gross retarded porn tape and guess what! Made by the same people who love scammy shit like NFTs and are probably creaming their pants at the thought of putting less effort into their works via AI. If you look at any other art movement it was always about exploring the human psyche and/or pushing their art to be technically better or more experimental and/or communicating the cultural and religious values at the time (and being historically valuable first hand, secondary or tertiary sources while doing so). Do not taint art with comparing millennials of history to that shit stain of a movement that encourages promortalism-esque values and hyper-consumption bullshit. Before you bring up furry and coomer shit, those aren't art movements the same way cartoons, comic books, commercial advertising art and pin ups aren't movements either. To reiterate I am less offended by AI images than I am about ignorance, AIfags ought to set a better example if they don't want to be perceived as hopelessly vapid, make better and more informed arguments about art and I'd have zero reason to sperg. Tell why it's good without comparing it to the bottom rung of all art movements because you do such disservice to your points.
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>>2472774Just like I mentioned here
>>>/ot/2470206Art commissioning has to be one of the worst routes to pick as a main source of income. Not just because of how unreliable it is even if you have the skill, but because artfags are on the front lines to that fear of robots replacing us in jobs. Funny how all the moms who hammered in "become a nurse or a doctor" to their kids somewhat ended up being right.
No. 2472803
>>2472787Art and writing was seen as the safest from AI which is why chatgpt and co are concerning in the first place. No one expected code to replicate what artists do.
“Don’t do art” parents are right for other reasons. Art in general is not in high demand in the first place and you don’t get paid a lot.
No this doesn’t mean art is useless but you have to find different avenues where your skills are needed, which is heavily discouraged in online art communities
No. 2472804
>>2472801Moms hammered it because being a doctor is a prestigious job that pays well in most countries. If it pays like shit it’s still a well respected job and med school is known for being difficult. No one hammers “you have to be a consultant at big 4” for a reason and you only hear about it when you’re an adult
I can’t say the same for artists
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No. 2472857
>>2472848>have fun with your irl scroteYour first mistake is seeking any sort of emotional support from males.
A good female friendship is a beautiful and spiritually fulfiling thing nona.
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AI will automate knowledge economy jobs, white collar jobs. Anything to do with the mind, memorization, or the voice. It will also unfortunately replace all art forms.
The safest jobs will be trade jobs, they still havent made a robot that will fix your plumbing or cut your hair.
I dont think we will ever reach what is called AGI and especially ASI
But a lot of people are going to lose their jobs
if you have some sort of art degree like graphic design, you best start preparing for the worst.
No. 2472900
>>2472848bitch be so fucking for real right now, journals have existed since egyptian nonas were making papyrus or some shit you're not special for not having people emotionally there - not to mention that you yourself say you are venting to a chatbot, at that point you use ai because you know that it can't talk back at you
literally go on a walk and talk to yourself or journal like the rest of us instead of relying on asspats from an algorithm that will coddle you
No. 2472920
>>2472912thank you, if thinking out loud is schizo I'd much rather be one than melt my brain with AI.
When chatgpt and dall-e and co came out I was not a huge fan since I draw as a hobby buy I was pretty neutral, but over time I've found that the people who are fans are consistently not only stupid in their arguments but also smug about it which pisses me off because these are the same people who are supposedly fans of logic and debating.
It seems that we've been slowly spiraling into a learned helplessness and
victim complex as a society, and having a text prompt that you expect not only thinks for you but also listens unconditionally (and takes verbal abuse if you look up any articles about moids harassing chatbots in lieu of women) is only making things worse. I'm not saying we should be insensitive and tell everyone to toughen up, but sometimes shit sucks and you have to deal with it so it sucks less.
>>2472917all I'm saying is that I wanted dogshit art I'd much rather make it myself, it's not like AI art is magically better because mine is dogshit. Of course some people will ree out of fear of irrelevancy but more often than not the people who claim AI art is soooo much better supposedly act like they are responsible for it.
>Baby you were irrelevant before ai and will continue to be irrelevantThis applies to you too "baby"
No. 2472937
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Pro ai fags are very alike handmaiden, when troons took over handmaidens and pickmes kept convincing others it was innocent and it was only a way for "misunderstood" people freedom to Express their "true" seleves only for it to end in total destruction of women's rights and freedom some of those consequences still felt today. Its saddening how far women will fall just to appease the common moid even in turn solidifying their misery and slavery
No. 2473076
>>2472734lyrics:
crocodildo penisini
peperoni masturbini
trippi troppa crocodini
dildo dildo dildo dini
dildo dini
dildo dildo
crocodildo penisini
peperoni masturbini
trippi troppa
crocodini
dildo dildo
dildo dini
wow, a tear ran down my leg. This is beautiful. Thank you ai for writing such a masterpiece.
No. 2473131
>>2473046Everything construction
Plumbing
Carpentry
Electrician
Pest Control
Landscaping
Cleaners
Cooks
Waiters
Sculptors
Firemen
Police
Hairstylists
Manicurists
Miners
No. 2473157
>>2473131Seeing a list like this is pretty grim. A lot of these professions regularly expose you to materials that are
toxic with long term exposure. If they don’t then they destroy your body and you’ll be in pain every waking moment for the rest of your life, often with few to no benefits so you’re unable to even afford medical care. I left a job that is AI safe but physically demanding so I had some quality of life with my health. It feels like there is no good end given the lack of worker protections and rights, especially if you’re a burger.
No. 2473188
>>2473149I used to joke that whenever I'd be going through shit I'd go and take sheep to pasture/have a sheep farm. I have never had contact with that lifestyle but if everything is fucked I might as well give that a go. Work for sheep's cheese with my nigel or something. More realistically though I'd want to learn how to be an electrician or a plumber. People will need electricity to run AI and they won't start to shit outside or something.
>>2473157Wholeheartedly agree with you, we are cooked. Not a burger but in my country most young people were pushed into either becoming an engineer, work as a programmer or become a doctor so practical skills (being handy if you will) is a dying art. I hope that you won't get in a situation where you have to sacrifice your health to make money to pay the bills.
>>2473167people did that with google before though, people have avoided thinking for themselves for a while.
No. 2473937
>>2473933Really? What are you doing where AI is remotely useful for maths?
From experience it’s more likely to give incorrect answers
No. 2473939
>>2473828I defended AI use in this thread
I’m sorry but this is dumb. Just buy or borrow a random children’s story
No. 2473943
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>>2473933I doubt that very much.
No. 2473953
>>2473943I havent had this problem. I use it to check if my homework is done correctly and so far it hasnt failed me. If i had the money to waste on tutors i wouldnt be in college in the first place, so its the best i can afford.
>>2473937I ask it to give me excercises and then i check if i did them correctly.
No. 2474222
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the fact that I legitimately can't tell if this is ai or not makes me angry
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Maybe AI is a force for good after all
No. 2474233
>>2474222The quality on the photo from 1980 is too good to convince me it's not AI. Casual photos from that era aren't nearly so sharp and I can't imagine calling in a professional for 'big cauliflower'.
Also why would a photo from 1980 be in black and white? It's not like we didn't have color film then.