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No. 2469121
Are you a fat loser? Do you want to argue because that's how you learned to get attention in your dysfunctional household growing up? Do you have no friends? Well then, this is the thread for you!
Come here to bait and infight! Post something really stupid, and other anons will fight you about it! Prime topics are: abortion, clothing, eye colour, lesbianism, really anything that you can fight over!
Remember that everyone that disagrees with you is a man, so make sure you call them out for being men!
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>>>/ot/2458663The "rules" are:
>no racebait You can still do it because jannies are absent for 12-14 hours a day!>no infightingThis one isn't a rule we only added this so we don't get put on autosage like our last thread, Dumbass Shit!>don't reply to bait This whole thread is bait so you can still reply to bait!>rest of /ot/ board rules applyThey should, but no, they dont>farmhands are always watchingThey only watch for 4-6 hours a day because they're lazyDO NOT ENTER THIS THREAD IF YOU HAVE AN IQ ABOVE 90!Remember that everyone that uses this thread is: fat, ugly, mentally challenged or otherwise low IQ, attention-starved, juvenile, and generally a loser! Have fun!!!
No. 2469129
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>>2469113NTA, there are some very hellish things going on with "my people" too, so I kind of get it. This sounds cultural, rather than racial. I know racists like to argue that culture is downstream of genetics, but if that were the case, you and so many other women wouldn't be so miserable this way and brainwashing wouldn't be necessary to perpetuate it. There also wouldn't so often be atrocities (both socially sanctioned and clandestine) committed by other groups. It's a matter of who wins the fight, who has the most money, who has the most backing from outsiders for their own gains, etc, not consensus (the biological determinist argument is lazy and convenient for retards who want nothing to improve). I'm not saying you can end the problems since you're only one woman, but if you can find a way to exit that culture and integrate with one more aligned with your feelings, or just find people (or even just one person) with your mindset and escape together, things will be better. Don't give up.
No. 2469160
>>2469129Sorry but maybe the racists are right and it's a genetics thing, because my specific ethnicity were a bit isolated from the rest of the world until around 80-100 years ago, and all the retarded shit they do is 100% from being who they are, they don't wanna give up on it today and are proud of it and act like it's normal and everyone else is weird for not being like them. The few people who are different get ostracized if not punished with physical violence and murder, which I guess would eliminate the "anamoly" genes that makes someone not like that. We're very rare and few in between, and even ones who dislike it like me still like other parts of it all and defend it so I'm not safe around them at all. I feel so alone and too different to fit in with them, but I'll probably stand out in a completely 180° different culture, too. It's obvious I'm an "outsider" on my face alone. This is like the biggest reason I've been contemplating suicide for so long. I can literally never escape this, can't escape my own body and mind. It's nightmarish to have to live with this. Only true solution would be being reborn as a different person in a different place with 0 memories of this all. I've been fantasizing about that ever since I was a young child because I always knew someone was off, it's an innate thing beyond not falling for propaganda, brainwashing and torture techniques used to force you to be obedient. None of that worked on me because my nature is fundamentally too different from everyone.
No. 2469172
>>2469160It's okay to be an outsider, outsiders exist everywhere and even within every group.
Just find a way to get the fuck out of there. There's no need to escape your mind, unless you want to do the things the people you hate do. Your body and features will always kind of resemble theirs, but literally everyone with
abusive parents has to reckon with that. You don't have to let others define you. Fantasizing about being born another race is pointless, callous toward the white/Asian people who do get born in horrific circumstances, and just dehumanizes everyone like you (and yes, they exist, even if they get killed off en masse).
No. 2469305
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>>2469128Gender=Sex until some jew decided otherwise 5 minutes ago
(/pol/sperging) No. 2469321
>>2469271This is not me
>>2469256Maybe she misunderstood or something and replied to you. I wrote
>>2469160I can't even give you the name of the tribe I come from because there is 0 info on them online other than in the native language so it's pointless. My parents used to tell me stories about their lives before discovering the outside world, where they had no electricity, clean water, proper houses (they used to live in handmade stone houses), hospitals, streets, cars, etc. They got introduced to that in like the 80s. My dad is almost 80 and my mom is in her 50s to give you a time frame of that, she experienced what I mentioned above. They also had no education and lots of middle aged and elderly people are illiterate and some chose to go to literacy schools, my mom included. They were farmers that knew nothing but farming. They cured their meats because they didn't know of fridges, and they had fire to cook and oil lanterns for light at night. They were too used to their closed incestuous community that seeing a city for the first time was a big shock to them, and they rejected it all due to the big culture shock. Not that the rest of the country and government are beckons of human rights, but they're doing a bit better than us for sure. Even when my people got houses in the cities, they didn't like how it was designed and the idea of neighbors who aren't relatives, so they built giant walls around their houses for "privacy" (i.e. being able to abuse their family members in secret without being caught by the public), iced/tinted all the windows, built the walls from concrete and solid soundproof materials, have multiple layers of doors with double looks etc. out of paranoia of "strangers". Doesn't help that they were easily influenced by 90s terrorist groups beliefs and became very strict with no TV, no radio, no cellphones, no books etc., kinda like current Taliban ruled Afghanistan. Some are still influenced by that thinking and won't let go of parts of it, thinking woman working bad, unmarried woman bad, woman driving bad, woman going anywhere alone bad, etc. And it doesn't stop here, try to break the rules and do something without their permission, and they'll simply beat the shit out of you with 0 remorse and kill you even and hide it very well and get away with it like always. Because you basically don't exist if you don't interact much with the outside world, so nobody is gonna know you disappeared anyways other than your own killers. Your memory will only remain in
their minds. And I'm not exaggerating or being paranoid because of things happened to unrelated people either, my own older half brother got into an argument with my father ages ago and left the house, and 20 years later my dad beat himself up and self-harmed then reported my half brother to the police saying he did it. They arrested my half brother and tortured him in prison for days. Now imagine what would happen to me if I did something? All my half siblings sued my dad for human rights violations, he had connections to the court judges and won and got them all punished severely for it. Ain't no way I'm making it out alive.
No. 2469473
>>2469427Knock yourself out I guess. I don't live there anymore but we do still have a house there. The pictures attached are the stone houses I mentioned and they still exist until today, although abandoned in favor of the concrete houses. But left untouched to keep as "historical sites". BTW they still to this day don't have grocery shops/supermarkets or malls or anything and have to travel all the way to the city for eggs, bread, and clean bottled drinking water and other essentials. They still plant fruits and vegetables though and kill their own animals for meat.
https://bniadwan.wordpress.com/2016/03/01/%D9%82%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A9/Another article
https://zahranland.wordpress.com/2013/04/04/%D9%86%D8%A8%D8%B0%D8%A9-%D8%B9%D9%86-%D9%82%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%A8%D9%86%D9%8A-%D8%B9%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86/Imo they're all useless and don't say anything important because ofcourse they're not gonna reveal their own retardation to the world, lol. They're also a very strategic war zone on the border in case anything happened with the neighboring country that can easily attack it first since all the people left in it are elderly stubborn idiots and they don't have any weapons on them due to many gun violence accidents outlawing its ownership and making them even more paranoid.
No. 2469976
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Art is valuable, but only in the realm of entertainment. If you're not on the level of Vincent Van Gogh with your art in Museums and people paying thousands for each piece, picking art commissioning as a main line of work is retarded and I'm going to think you're an idiot.
No. 2470010
>>2469976I am very sorry to read that your idea of value has been tainted by what is profitable.
>>2470006I was about to mention that he wasn't a great example for reaping the financial benefits of his work, also he shot himself in the chest.
No. 2470206
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>>2470010>your idea of value has been tainted by what is profitableNo. By itself, art is good for entertainment. As a
job, art commissioning comes across as very low tier in value. Tell me why it's "sad" to judge a job based on how valuable it is? I look at all these artists online bitching about going broke despite people paying them to draw shit, or pussying out of their own career by closing their social media accounts because they don't have a thick enough skin to handle one or two randos telling them that their art is bad. It seems wildly unpredictable because you can't guarantee that enough people will make a request, even if your art is good. So it seems to be going well, and you have a lot of commissions backed up, totalling enough money to make the rest of the month a breeze. What if 50% of those commissioners cancel? People meme the strategy of getting rich by doing commissions for furfags with fetishes, but if that's what you have to do to make it as an artist, where the fuck is the dignity? Art can be a great form of entertainment, and it's top tier as a hobby. Art is something I would do as a passion. Art would be the last thing I'd pick for an
income.
No. 2470240
>>2470206NTA, but some people see even less dignity in working under some company that can screw them over anytime, tolerating disrespect, dealing with obnoxious coworkers daily and engaging in tedious work just to keep the lights on.
If they can get by drawing, I don't fault anyone for doing so. It's not going to be profitable for everyone, but it's honestly fine.
No. 2470370
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>>2469976Most godlike artists get very little recognition. Simple art styles (like anime/cartoon slop) are easy to replicate and digest, and thats why they get shared more often than things like pic rel.
If you want a large audience, appeal to idiots. No. 2470452
>>2470390I mean, if he wanted to he would is a
valid statement. The point is he doesn’t want to, whether that is because he doesn’t see you as a person or something else is not relevant. It just means stop believing moid excuses.
No. 2470608
>>2470478I know a teenage boy around 15 (through family but not related to me) who has always been a vegan because his parents are vegan. He keeps casually declining non-vegan snacks by saying things like "if my dad finds out he'll be raging about it" like it's no big deal that he sticks to veganism just to avoid his fathers wrath like wtf?
I always wonder if kids like that are harmed by never eating meat growing up. Like if they don't develop properly and aren't able to process meat as well, or at all, as adults or something. Or if when they finally try meat as adults their bodies and brains go "holy shit?! THIS is what I've been needing this whole time!" and their mind is blown. It just seems so unfair to put that on a child from birth.
No. 2470749
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barring the lesbians i do feel a lot of radical feminists are just angry men don't consider them people. speaking from the perspective of having seen quite a few radfems (""radfems"") with boyfriends or who otherwise gave up the radfem id after getting a nigel.
No. 2470776
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>>2470772I will not tolerate ai slop whose image generators take reference from child porn and rape of women, I want to see real cats not what a aibro thinks a cat is.
No. 2470781
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Lately, I’ve seen a lot of people complaining about AI-generated “art,” specifically this trend of transforming photos into images with a Ghibli-style aesthetic. I completely understand why people are upset about others selling AI-generated "art" , I get it 100%. However, I don’t entirely understand why some artists are so intense about people using ChatGPT to “Ghiblify” a photo.
I just watched a video where a girl was saying that instead of using AI, people should learn to draw and be creative. Most of the comments on that video were along the lines of, “I want fast results, not to spend years learning, when AI takes me two minutes,” and honestly, I agree.
I can’t help but feel like there’s a huge hypocrisy in all the outrage over AI-generated art (again, I’m talking about its use for silly things, like modifying an image just for fun). This has happened with so many other things before. Take translation, for example, why don’t people tell those who use Google Translate that they should learn the language? That speaking another language is a privilege? That they should dedicate years of effort to reaching a decent level instead of just using a translator? I'm not talking about the dark uses that people can give to the AI by the way, I know it's a big issue. I'm just focusing on how intense some people get over people having fun modifying some pictures.
No. 2470785
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>>2470776>I will not tolerate ai slop whose image generators take reference from child porn and rape of women,So…because there are criminals and pedophiles who abuse technology to create illegal content, you think that means it can’t be used to generate a picture of your cat into a drawing? Why not? That’s like saying because there are people who use cameras to record pornography that means no one should record anything ever
>I want to see real cats not what a aibro thinks a cat is.That is a picture of a real cat though nona, it looks like it was just rendered into studio ghibli style drawing
No. 2470791
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>>2470789I should learn how to draw furries now after hearing all these wonderful stories
No. 2470799
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>>2470790I tried testing it too and i was so dissapointed that i couldnt do anything that wasnt a character soullessly staring at the viewer. I dont think it will ever be able to do something like this, so i am not worried about it. It will proly replace artists because people are lazy and need things NOW AND BAD BUT FAST and media nowadays isnt about making art but shitting out as many marketable things and hoping one sticks. I am glad we had centuries of amazing high skilled, high quality art, at least.
No. 2470802
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>>2470763Samefag I should probably have added, technically there are no official rules (neither global nor /ot/ specific) stating that AI is banned or warrants a ban, it just happens to receive a redtext
No. 2470849
>>2470829Well yeah I sorta assumed that was just because not many Kpopfags scroll lolcow, I agree sperging out about their favorite idle similarly to the way weejifags act is
beyond obnoxious and should be a bannable offense / in the written rules as unwelcome. But nonnas posting one picture that’s been rendered into a drawing via AI every once in a while shouldn’t be that big of a deal, of course as long as the image is appropriate and within our rules
No. 2470863
>>2470861I don’t feel bothered by anyone else’s feelings or opinions anon, I was just saying that I feel like as long as the picture doesn’t break any rules it isn’t really necessary for it to be enough of an offense to warrant a ban, and added that AI itself isn’t even banned and doesn’t have a containment rule included either. Really the only one crying is you in response to an
unpopular opinion kek
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>>2470863Again you havent answered why it bothers you so much people dont want AIshit here. Like whats your problem with the no ai rule, that its not written in the sites rules?
No. 2470881
>>2470868>You haven’t answered why it bothers you But anon, in the post you just tagged you can see that I do
not feel bothered by, or have anything against, anyone else’s opinions about AI…I was only stating my own unpopular opinion about why I think pictures anon render into drawings shouldn’t be bannable.
>Like whats your problem with the no ai rule, that its not written in the sites rules?Not at all anon, I was only including in my statement that it already isn’t banned or against our rules to begin with, so it being redtexted feels unnecessary; depending on the image of course. If they’re banning a user for posting an AI generated image that is indecent or breaks the rules that’s completely sensical, but banning an anon just for posting a picture of their dinner run though an AI drawing machine doesn’t feel reasonable.
No. 2470893
>>2470875A lot of AI image generating programs specifically won’t generate NSFW content. All the big name ones will refuse.
>>2470873This is so dramatic. I get the feeling that there are a lot of elitist artists on LC kek. I do think it should be a written rule since it’s clearly a globally enforced rule.
No. 2470894
>>2470875But why is the technology itself a problem when it depends entirely on what people choose to make with it? The websites that make these machines don’t just generate that shit on their own, pedophiles who render the images into existence by prompting them do.
>>2470886Sorry typo so I deleted and reposted kek, but yes once again the
computer doesn’t generate it from thin air because pedophile engineers load child pornography into the image references. It’s the behavior of the people who are working with this technology, not the computer itself.
No. 2470911
>>2470870The seething over AI is hilarious. You can tell the ones that start screeching whenever AI is mentioned are just jaded artists mad their art doesn't get any traction on their social media of choice. I'm not even a fan of Gen-AI as the people who rely on it for everything obviously put no effort into anything but the odd picture here and there for fun really isn't the issue they make it out to be. AI itself is very practical technology.
>b-b-but AI is evil!! Yes, not all aspects of Gen-AI are good, that's why it needs to be regulated. The tech itself isn't the issue or else you all would be advocating for the internet to get shutdown because cp exists on it thus the technology itself is ~evil~. Instant moral panic like retards.
No. 2470940
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>>2470932>the human controlling the software uploaded the picturesNo. The database itself is infected because the scrotes that made it 100% intended it to be used for that purpose. Otherwise they would have avoided scrapping child or porn images from their databases, which they didnt. If you use AI despite knowing how it has harmed women and children you are nothing but a pickme that values cheap dopamine over the safety of women and kids.
No. 2470943
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>>2470935it is and i hate the idea that "shorter than average adult woman = child" but i am kinda
sus of guys who are older and date girls who are way shorter and younger than them though. like 25+yr old guys who try to date girls who just got out of highschool, its disturbing and those type of guys would totally be a child toucher if they could get away with it
No. 2470947
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>>2470935Agree. I blame all those "coquette" girls for causing people to have those ideas. Fuck You all.
No. 2470948
>>2470940>The database itself is infected because the scrotes that made it…Otherwise they would have avoided scrapping child or porn images from their databases, which they didnt.I don’t get why you’re saying “no” anon, you’re agreeing with what I’m saying.
>If you use AI despite knowing how it has harmed women and children you are nothing but a pickme that values cheap dopamine over the safety of women and kids.AI itself is not what has harmed these women and children, anon. The people who abuse this technology are who are harming women and children. You’re essentially letting off the men who are committing these crimes when you default to blaming it on the computer. I don’t understand why it is that you’re saying this, because you clearly understand that it is the male human software designers who are the problem.
No. 2470960
>>2470953>>2470954>The internet pornography that was accessible by the technology wasn’t uploaded by a single pedo scrote …if it wasn’t uploaded by anyone, how did it get on the internet to begin with?
>if you are using it NOW you are using CP-trained softwareYes, trained by individuals who made the decision to render CP into the software. A crime committed by people who actively chose to do such. It didn’t magically pop up into chatgpt one day.
>>2470956>but no, ai is actually a hecking wholesome chungus technology that exists for the sole purpose of making ugly AI ghibli cat pictures! there is definetly nothing malicious about a bunch of tech moids making an AI with scrapped pictures from porn sites and children.When did any user on this website ever comment that they don’t believe there’s anything wrong with pedophiles using AI to produce artificial CP based off references of real pictures and videos of it? I don’t think your reading comprehension is very coherent, because my original post states my belief that anons shouldn’t be banned just for posting a picture that happens to be AI rendered. Thats nowhere near the same as what you’re saying.
No. 2470967
>>2470960>every single website, even art sites for artists bend down and accept AIshitthis is totes okay!
>one small basket weaving forum refuses to accept AI outside containmentomg i am being opressed i must screech and defend the honor of the cp and deepfake machine. How dare women using a website format thats over 20 years old and a reliq of the old web not want the cancer that has killed and made the rest of the internet unusable! we must destroy the culture of every site on existence!
No. 2470970
>>2470967>omg i am being opressed i must screech and defend the honor of the cp and deepfake machine. I think you might’ve forgotten which thread you’re scrolling anon kek, also I didn’t defend AI software being used to produce illegal material like what you mentioned; I posted in my original post, and in each of my replies, that I just think if an anon posts a drawing or other picture that was run through an AI render I feel like that doesn’t need to be grounds for a ban so long as the content being shared with us is within our rules.
>How dare women using a website format thats over 20 years old and a reliq of the old web not want the cancer that has killed and made the rest of the internet unusable! we must destroy the culture of every site on existence!Posting an AI sunset doesn’t destroy lolcow’s culture or offend its origin, of course the real art that we have the privilege of being posted by anons that use their personal time and talent to create it always a pleasure to witness and should certainly be prioritized; I don’t want my original post to come off as unappreciative of their art
No. 2470979
>>2470974But we’ve already gone over how AI isn’t included in our written rules
>>2470802 as being banned outside of “containment”, hence prompting my opinion that anons being banned for posting an AI generated image that doesn’t actually break any written rules is egregious
No. 2470986
>>2470981Anon, I think you need to lurk the thread before responding to posts. I already asked the question in
>>2470944>Do you feel like it counts as a low quality only if the image is very obviously AI and looks absolutely horrible, or even if it looks like a normal animated pic would it still be low quality just because it wasn’t hand drawnAnd received no answer. Would you care to comment?
No. 2470991
>>2470987Ok but I kind of specifically asked
what about it makes it low quality. Is it solely low quality because it isn’t hand drawn or isn’t the original picture that was taken?
No. 2471010
>>2471003>no one wants to see your dog, you shouldnt post pics of yourself or anything related to your irl self here. Please, read the entire post before you respond. It literally starts with
for example>Why the fuck do newfags want to treat lolcow like their personal social media page. Dont you understand what anonymous means.That’s not what I’m saying though, I find it funny you’re flinging around the term newfag when clearly you don’t seem to be aware that anons have posted personal pictures on /ot/ for several years now
No. 2471014
>>2471009But that doesn’t have anything to do with semantics. Your answer to my question was that the problem with AI is that what makes it low quality is it being ugly, so I asked if everything that’s ugly falls under that umbrella as well.
>if you love AI so much I’m not posting this in defense of AI though. I’ve said from the beginning all I think is that a user posting a picture that went through AI rendering doesn’t necessarily deserve to immediately be banned just because it isn’t a hand drawn/painted piece of artwork or isn’t the original picture
No. 2471094
>>2471086>and they’re penalizing low effort posts and images. If you’ve been present over the last 5 years you’d be well aware that this isn’t completely true, or at the very least the low effort posts and images are cherrypicked and it isn’t really practiced with all shitty posts
>It’s really not a big deal if one admin bans it whatever their reasoning.It’s ok if you feel that way. Just like it’s okay for me to believe that posting an AI image isn’t a big deal and doesn’t really warrant a ban, especially if they don’t consider it to be important enough to include in our rules.
No. 2471143
I actually do like the fact that lc doesn't allow AI, but for a completely different reason. It feels cozy and nice to have a place that still resembles the net pre-2022. Although I really disagree with the kind of critique it receives here. The whole "looks ugly and shiny" is a bad argument, since this is obviously not a finished product, but a work in progress. I can assure you in a couple of years it will look much more polished and feel a lot more genuine(on the surface level).
>but it takes no effort! that makes it soulless!
To be honest, I am really interested from what background these anons come from. I graduated art school a while back, but I remember being taught that art is a craft first and everything else second. I don't regret any time I have spent practising it, because it was very gratifying and enjoyable. But again, the self-expression part of most art is really only secondary to the actual craft and skill put into it. By that logic, eating your occasional burger or instant ramen should be frowned upon, because it takes no soul and effort, unlike some fancy gourmet dish that took hours to make. The truth is, imo, there is time and place for everything. Real artfags won't die out and starve to death, but the market will probably shrink, because the low-effort low-reward art commissions will be taken over by AI. People will always gravitate towards human-made art and there will always be a market for it.
>buttt it's trained on cp and rape
Tbh, I feel like that is a fair critique, but I think what we should be more worried about is the fact that AI is seeping in everyday life, and it's influence will probably quadruple in the near future, all while being trained on sexist and racist data and plebbit posts. Unfortunately, the problem is so much bigger than some CP materials that might have slipped through the cracks and soon it will most likely affect every woman. Making Ghibli slop is a very surface level problem in comparison.
No. 2471197
>>2470781It's insecurity and not wanting people to not need them anymore. They want to have the upper hand and charge people 100s of dollars per drawing and don't like the idea of people getting what they want for free and quickly in huge numbers. They feel entitled to other people's money and time.
>it's ugly>it's lazy>it takes no effort etc.That's the point, duh. If it took effort nobody would've used it lmao
No. 2471422
>>2470608I have a friend whose parents raised her vegetarian like them. She finds meat gross. One time I gave her soup that had chicken in by accident and she literally threw up. She said she didn’t know if she threw up because her body doesn’t accept meat, or because she thought she could smell chicken and it was grossing her out.
Either way, being raised not eating animal products fucks you up mentally (possibly physically) when you do eventually try some.
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>>2470608Here is a study that, as expected, found that the children who were fed a vegan diet were shorter and had more nutritional deficiencies than omnivores.
https://www.unisa.edu.au/unisanews/2021/july/story3Parents who force a vegan diet on their kids are abusing them IMO
No. 2471455
>>2470935To me it just seems impractical for 5’0 midget to be with a 6’3 giant kek.But short women look like..short women, they long younger at most, but I’ve never confused a short woman for a child.
There are couples who play into it though and it’s quite cringy when you witness it.
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Anyone else really dislike the coupling of a cool female character with a scrote that's basically a loser standing next to her? What romantic chemistry did Beast Boy even have with Raven? I can't believe DC fans really think this works. It's Mavis and Johnny way before Hotal Transylvania even came out.
No. 2471535
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>>2471452I'm average height but yeah, I love tall people and I understand why short/average people are drawn to tall people, it's just the ones who are obsessed with it and highlighting how tiny and smol they are in comparison who make it all weird.
I wish I was a tall woman dating a tall moid.
No. 2471562
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>>2471454This is honestly why I always thought veganism was retarded in practice. If being a vegan is so healthy, why do they always need dietary supplements, and are always breaking down with nutrition-based problems? If cutting out meat is good and "natural" for humans, why are veganfags always sick?
No. 2471617
>>2471581nta This is a take I hear a lot of non-artists repeat. AI is usually trained on high grossing artists and animation studios, while they use lesser quality art as counter prompts or whatever ("no Low Quality Art", and then it has been trained on what not to use, from my understanding - akin to people saying models are trained on CP to PREVENT it from generating the material… I don't know the exact explanation behind it but that's what I've heard)
Essentially, they're trained on
good artists. So this argument
>but if the so called inferior AI slop can replace you that easily maybe you weren't that good to begin with. is kinda moot.
No. 2471670
>>2471631If the person or machine replacing me is better than me then yes, it means I suck. I know the extent of my skills and what I'm capable of so I know what to watch out for. I don't interact with artists but they're very loud about their hatred of AI and never shut up about it bringing it everywhere that it’s getting annoying. I remember when the AI images containment thread was made and they still went there to sperg out about how much they hate AI in THE AI thread. Wouldn't want to be around such unhappy people. I bet they defend sampling, autotune, electronic music, copying a company's art style and selling it to profit from it as if it's not stealing etc., too and see no problem with it since it doesn't affect THEIR profits.
>>2471642I see, but there are some cases where people do like an image until they discover it's AI and act all sourgrapes about it. The different is nepos pay to replace the qualified person, while the foreigners can be better while also cheaper, in the case of AI it can be as good and cheaper depending on a company's needs.
No. 2471762
>>2471670>I bet they defend sampling, autotune, electronic music, copying a company's art style and selling it to profit from it as if it's not stealing etc., too and see no problem with it since it doesn't affect THEIR profits. I believe the main difference here is that an individual versus a company is selling something while borrowing from another. For instance, if Nobody Suzie with her 50k followers sells Pikachu with genderfag flags in the style of Pokémon's Sugimori, let's even say… during 1st gen with water color style, Nintendo's profits wouldn't even be affected. Nobody Suzie would also never get hired by Nintendo. Nintendo would never produce what she produces. The world continues to turn.
But if an AI is trained on Artist Elizabeth's style while she works for Company, and then Company fires Artist Elizabeth because the AI can make her style happen for a fraction of the cost, now we have an issue. I believe this is why one is alright and the other isn't.
TL;DR: If it steals someone's job who was doing fine before its introduction, people will not like the thing (AI).
No. 2471800
>>2471762That's fair. I should've added in my comment that the music part is more about the art being affected or created by computers and not real instruments and human voices, which makes it less "soulful", yet people defend it and think criticizing it is boomer shit. Sampling lifts from one individual artist, too, and uses their idea without permission most of the time or with a "I can do it better" air of smugness about it like "fixing" art and the such, yet people defend it despite literal lawsuits because of sampling being blatant stealing exit. Copying a poplar recognizable franchise art style and selling it is technically stealing the art style of the artist(s) who originally came up with it yet people defend it. It's just hypocritical imo. I see people commenting "you should work for x studio that you copy their style instead of the original artists because they SUCK now" all the time under that kind of art, but tbh I don't think I've seen a copycat fan getting hired after an originally artist quits or gets fired before, but I don't think it's impossible to happen. What I'm trying to say is the outrage feels fake and all about being selfish and personal gain.
>pick me over the AI!!!But if I went and asked for some art work in a hyper specific art style they can't draw in for free they won't do it, then they get upset when I turn to AI. Although they say people who use AI are stupid anyways, they still want them as customers. It doesn't make sense at all. It's like they don't know what they want. If people got their demnads met, they wouldn't have turned to AI to begin with. I use it because I can't and don't want to learn to draw, and can't afford commissions. I can't visualize my ideas other than using AI for now.
No. 2471821
>>2471804I wish I was young but I'm just a NEET with a financially
abusive situation lmao. I don't have any ill intent towards artists or anything but I wish they'd leave my lazy autistic ass alone and let me enjoy my computer generated pixels in peace without blaming me for literally killing them or something. I understand the porn and exploitation angle but there's literally nothing I can do about it and it's not entirely my fault or something. And I do benefit from the porn stuff when I create my niche yaoi and husbando shit, so it would be hypocritical of me to criticize NSFW AI. And I guess this is a wild take on my end but lots of artists admit to getting into art solely to create porn and some think selling porn art is a flex, so they're also hypocritical for criticizing AI for porn. Doesn't help that male artists who make porn use real porn to trace and use as reference, is art itself evil and bad because of this? I can't speak for the job angle because I think any artistic job is bound to br unstable anyways so it's better to keep it as a side hustle or just a hobby. I like to sing but I understand I can't survive in the current industry and make money from that alone, so I'm keeping it to myself and looking for a proper job in the field I majored in, and plan to use any excess money to get musical education and gear little by little for fun, without expecting any profit from my hobby, but I'd welcome it if it happens. I think there should be some ideal middle ground out there but idk how we'd reach something like that.
No. 2471860
>>2471800ayrt This is an interesting perspective. It helps a lot that you were able to explain your angle in a way that addresses things that I hadn't considered. I'm an artist (probably was obvious) with a distaste for AI usage, but after understanding that non-paying art enjoyers sometimes want their own ideas created but lack the funds, I understand it a bit more.
Most of the rage comes from stealing
paying costumers in my experience. There are smug people sullying the artist angle, making us harder to empathize with.
Thank you for taking the time to flesh out your perspective! (sorry the other nonas went ape on you; I was genuinely interested in how you saw this)
No. 2471897
>>2471800Sampling when Ice Ice Baby tier requires no talent and yes there are plenty of examples of slop like this and "artists" with attitudes as you've described, but sampling can just as often be transformative and lead to unique results. Similarly whenever electronic music in general has waves of popularity there are synths and presets and sample packs that follow trends set by innovators, sound designers, and artists, which due to their accessibility and subsequent use by second-rate artists beat to death any novelty or perceived artistic quality to these sounds especially for people who weren't following the evolution of the styles, but the original innovators who designed the sounds or conceived the styles were most often highly creative artists. Classically there were composers who were mainly conductors publicly and not performers, by the jazz era there were arrangers etc… or consider things like music boxes or orchestrions, composition is one oft-required skill (unless the mechanical device is playing someone else's music of course), but refining the performance qualities of the mechanical device producing the musical results is itself an artistic process not directly associated with playing an instrument yourself but sharing some of the same creative and expressive concerns. Arranging electronic music in a DAW is analogous to this and similarly has a vast range of quality between low effort low creativity low talent whatever and masterful artistic process. Sometimes electronic music is played with interfaces like traditional instruments (keyboards, guitar controllers, wind controllers), but this is not necessary for the art to be good, there are many factors and many dimensions to be creative within, and plenty of examples where the notes were played rather than programmed but the results were lackluster elsewhere, say sound design or composition. In any case, making electronic music isn't just hitting a button and having the computer make it for you. It can be, and some things like this even become popular, but this is also the stuff that dates and is forgotten or retrospectively not respected. It should also be pointed out tons of music that is 100% played live on real instruments is also stolen and not particularly creative.
No. 2472056
>>2471860Thank you for understanding and being civil.
>>2471897Interesting, but similar to the AI art debate, having everything easily available have this opposite effect where it attracts lazy people who don't want to put in effort. The difference is with AI images it's easier to conjur up any random imagery and type it down as a prompt, but with making music, it requires more thinking and having what it takes to build a song up and make it sound good as you mentioned, but someone getting into DAWs and electronic music specifically because it's an easy shortcut to them probably has no ideas for new songs and expects them to happen randomly. You need to have minimal music theory knowledge to make it work, which I doubt someone using DAWs and making electronic music would be interested in because to them, the whole point is it's supposed to be easier and not require any revision of any sort so they assemble random sounds together and see if it works. It could be my personal taste ofcourse but majority of electronic music and sampled songs sound awful to me, and there are times where the sampled parts don't even fit the song using it because it's out tune/key or off rhythm or getting repetitive and annoying and so on, because the people making the music don't have the vision and understanding of what makes a song good, but still want to do it anyways and get famous and make money. Not denying there are people who make AI images with glaring mistakes and try to sell them or anything, and I do find it hilarious when they do so and even funnier that there are people willing to pay, but just like the electronic and sampled music I dislike, there are people out there who are willing to listen to/buy/support it creating a market and letting those people oversaturate the scene. Not really the tool's fault but the people using it.
>>2472020I mentioned in my posts that Indian and Chinese workers are cheaper though, did you miss that? Also knowing the people of my country, the Indians are definitely better. Most of the people I went to university with couldn't do their own work, exams, projects and had to pay someone to do it for them. They wouldn't survive the job market at all with their nonexistent skills or knowledge, hence why Indians and Chinese take their jobs easily, they're simply unironically smarter and had better education. Our country and people are a bit behind on lots of fields and jobs so far and are making extremely slow progress.
No. 2472113
>>2472056Your exposure to electronic works across various styles is clearly quite limited for you to have this outlook. For works based entirely on sampling with strong composition / arrangement you should check out Entroducing by DJ Shadow or Since I Left You by The Avalanches, fairly well-known / entry-level records (deservedly so), not particularly obscure unless your knowledge is entirely Top 40. Both of these records required an immense amount of work, creativity, refinement, and at the very least basic music theory and arrangement knowledge. There are almost certainly tens of thousands of examples of electronic artists since the genre began to take prominence in the late 1960s who are/were skilled musicians as composers, arrangers, performers, etc, it's almost arbitrary to name examples because there are so many in so many different subgenres. I'm not denying that there exist people as you've described, but first off, all modern recorded music is made in a DAW regardless of genre, and second off your set theory is wrong as being interested in DAWs or electronic music does not guarantee the budding artist is uninterested in composition or theory. Just like traditional forms of music, to make good electronic music it
>requires more thinking and having what it takes to build a song up and make it sound goodIdeas coming "randomly" is actually the end goal in all music creation because with enough knowledge and experience you build up the vocabulary to ideate freely with the instrument or interface as an extension of yourself. Also, you'd be surprised, even the most retarded shit generally goes through many iterations of revision. By the way did you know that the chorale from Beethoven's 9th ("Ode To Joy" – the most recognizable part of the symphony), was not written by him, but was a much older German folk song interpolated and arranged into his composition?
No. 2472138
>>2472113Should've mentioned that I enjoy late 2000s-early 2010s electropop, so I don't entirely hate it. There's a specific team that I enjoyed multiple compositions of, but they created things from scratch rather than sampling so that gave them more freedom, and the vocalists that worked with them took the songs to a whole new level.
It's the forbidden genre though, can't post it. I do enjoy synths and synth pop mostly. But the club dancing, EDM, dubstep subset gives me headaches. And usually, I enjoy the original tracks where the samples are from than the track sampling them, something about the latter always sounds off whether I know it's sampling or not.
No. 2472142
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Ana de Armas is pretty, but she's not the knock-out, insane, supernatural beauty that everyone touts her to be. Although, I admit that my opinion may be biased from the fact that I don't really like that she appears naked in like 90% of her roles
No. 2472248
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Sick of constantly seeing garbage like this