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No. 247514
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some more
No. 247522
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Yeah we get it asian incel, nobody wants to fuck poor you.
No. 247532
>>247530>>247529>>247528being incel isn't some sort of anomaly. being average is probably enough to be an incel in 2018
pretty sure over 30% of males will be basically incel in the next 10 years
No. 247542
>>247539probably just gonna make shit like looksmaxxing super mainstream, like most guys will get plastic surgery or some shit
>>247537>men can't get in relationship bc they're unstable and insane no its cus they're ugly lols
>>247536i mean people who don't have sex/intimacy, like incel by definition not by self identification
No. 247543
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Kek, yeah, that's some serious research right here.
No. 247545
>>247542>no its cus they're ugly lols No it's cus they have a victim mentality and think they deserve some hot Stacy when they can't be bothered to take care of themselves.
>Ib4 …B..But!!! I can't help my preferences for elven looking skinny pales girls that I constantly jerk off to!
>i mean people who don't have sex/intimacy, like incel by definition not by self identificationLmao no you tard, I've been single for 6 month and I will never call myself an incel, that's so fucking embarassing.
No. 247548
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>>247545>I've been single for 6 month lmao
also most incels ive met have the lowest fucking standards in the world. i have an incel friend who constantly sends me pictures of obese unattractive women and says shit like "she would reject me. because im a sub 5 ethnic". you go on 4fun and someone posts a comically unattractive woman, and someone says "I would unironically date her. I just want any woman who will be nice to me at this point".
No. 247551
>>247545That's the problem with incels. They blow off things out of proportions.
A lot of people lose their virginity pretty late and don't make a fuss about it. Most people have dry spells. They get frustrated about it but they don't jump to thinking it's a conspiration. It's just part of life.
Incels are so fucking entitled thinking they are owed anything by life.
>>247548Yeah, and having no standard and ultra low self esteem is not something attractive in a mate. Incels play themselves by reeking of desperation for any kind of relationship. No functionning woman wants to take care of some needy man child unable to self soothe, ffs.
Take charge of your own life, you're pathetic.
No. 247554
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>>247550dunno what this means but incels are a pretty multicultural group
>>247551but dating has become ridiculously competitive now with smartphones and shit, they don't have to compete with their social circle or the people in her immediacy anymore, they also have to compete with 100s of tinder matches and shit
No. 247559
>>247554wah-wah, muh competition.
Yeah, it was clearly a better time when people use to date because they happened to live close, had pretty much nothing in common and married because welp, that's what you did.
Also, why do incels always go back to the tinder shit? You know you can meet new people in other ways, right? Way that will help you showcase personnality, humor, charisma better if you think your looks are not up to the part?
No. 247560
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>>247557aw man i can't post his face. he just looks like a brown asap rocky with a smaller nose and lips
>>247558i think part of it is though that everyone has worse social skills nowadays though, so more and more girls will just resort to only using dating apps because they have poor social skills as well and that's where the competition is more cutthroat
No. 247565
>>247562nah i'm sick of stuff like that
>look at me sitting on a mountain>look at me squatting lul memes xD>look at my sick fiti want men to act more sexy god dammit. give me seduction
No. 247567
>>247566and fuckbois are good for hookups
we're not all looking to get hitched
>>247560i highly doubt your friend looks like asap rocky lol
No. 247571
>>247565>>247562so what would be seductive
>>247567i'm gonna delete this in like 4 seconds but tell me he dont look like asap rocky in this pic
>>247562dunno, one of my friends told me none of that shit mattered but she p much only swipes on 8/10+ asian boys
No. 247572
>>247571LMFAO WHAT he looks NOTHING like him
no offense but he is ugly
No. 247574
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>>247571Looks like a refugee and therefore girls probably stay away from him…
OP is just jealous that he's not a
chad asian who can get a cute white gf kek
No. 247577
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>>247572p sure you're just blinded by the clout
No. 247579
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lol sorry but your friend is ugly.
He should be dating brown girls like him but I bet he's only after white girls.
No. 247580
>>247571Yeah, that's a normal looking dude.
>>247575 is probably right.
No. 247589
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>>247586>Unironically feeling betrayed by lolcowOnly a dumbass would post a pic of their friend on an imageboard.
No. 247608
>>247512This whole ordeal has been really disappointing, but not surprising. Incel is the new catch-all for 'person I don't like/disagree with'. All because one guy referenced 4chan in a facebook post. The really aggravating part is the hypocrisy of it all. If the killer was a Muslim this would all have been swept under the rug and forgotten about in a day or two.
/vent
No. 247609
>>247608To be fair they were already the laughing stock of the internet and we were complaining about them casually all the time here on /ot/ anyway.
Alek did put them on the radar for normies, and it's something new and interesting for them.
Sadly, I think the thing with Muslim terrorists is that it's become too common so it isn't 'exciting' anymore.
No. 247626
>>247615yeah i know. i mean women express fear about patriarchy and male backlash all the fucking time, but the second someone makes a joke about it, someone like you pops us to "remind us" that men can end their little experiment of letting us exist among them unharmed. It's oblivious and transparent. I don't see how you can think we've forgotten anything when all forms of feminism and concepts like rape culture are extremely prevalent. Our only options are to constantly express fear (which many do), arm/protect ourselves, or just go about our lives and try not to get too neurotic about it.
>>247620plus so many girls i know have legitimately ugly boyfriends. i know it's subjective but certainly no less ugly than the average incel. it's not like any one feature makes you unfuckable, it's a combination of things. if incels have wack style, don't take care of themselves, aren't seductive, are mean, are socially and philosophically dumb, have no ambition, what the fuck do they expect? No, this doesn't mean any of one of these things is "the only thing women want". It just means if you have literally nothing going for you, how can you feel so entitled to someone picking you?
No. 247628
>>247626>plus so many girls i know have legitimately ugly boyfriends.That's because Hollywood and tv have been indoctrinating girls since they are children to expect little of men and always try to look for a, supposed, heart of gold under the basic boring uggo fucker's ribcage.
On the other hand men are taught to value first and foremost women looks and that they are entitled to someone even if they are sick sociopathic bastards.
No. 247632
>>247628NTA, but I don't think
everyone is brainwashed. I've known average or uggo guys irl with girlfriends of the same level. The average, healthy normie is usually reasonable. Both ways. Plus different men have different tastes.
As well, at least where I live, I see effort going into looks is down a lot in both men and women. Many girls leave the house wearing just leggings and hoodies and guys with sweatpants and hoodies. Few people take pride in that anymore, unless for their job. Or they're just interested in fashion. Regardless, it's not the norm as it was even 40 years ago.
This is all anecdotal but eh. Maybe things are different in Europe/Asia/even different parts of my country (Maple Leaf Land).
I
would like more movies with average-faced women, but that's more diversity's sake.
Men are often more violent, though. I'm not a blinded handmaiden. No. 247642
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>>247524>if incel rates rise really fucking high, and eventually become the majoritySounds far-fetched unless in a country like China or India given their male to female ratio.
No. 247701
>>247695Hopefully we all just get nuked.
The human experiment has clearly failed, time to reset and try again.
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Some disgusting looking dudes have seriously cute gf (most women are cuter than most men anyways). The fact that most incels are decent looking and can't even find a partner show how fucking repugnant they are IRL, imagine having a personality so rotten that you can't find a partner despise looking like pic related and being rich.
No. 247723
>>247714Elliot Rodgers wasn't that ugly tho. He was a clearly average kid. I know uglier men with gfs. Lots of them.
It's all fucking personnalitism ! Stop being rotten shits feeling entitled to sex without putting anything forward. Being interesting will make women more interested in you!
More news at 11.
No. 247724
>>247621We have to trust the "men in power" not to agree with incels and not fuck us over.
Let that sink in. Entitled males think "being a sexual object" is a privilege but "not fearing for their human rights" and "pushing for the rights of others to be revoked so we can get our dicks wet" is not.
No. 247745
>>247552Serious question:
Why don't you rape victims just kill yourselves? Don't you realize the world is better off without you guys?
(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE) No. 247748
>>247741No, but 99% of males will just give away it to any female who will accept it. What are you trying to say here?
>>247745Are you… implying incels have the same value as rape victims? Incels are pathetic, repulsive, wastes of money, time, and air, they have a lower value than cockroaches. Rape victims are just that: rape victims. Talk about a false equivalence.
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>>247768tbh "involuntarily" celibate is an oxymoron
No. 247774
>>247769lol true i just couldn't think of a better word. sexual frustration maybe.
but seriously, i was so sympathetic to incels for so long and all it did was make me feel ashamed and guilty for being a woman with preferences. they're manbabies who could help themselves but would rather put that burden on women no matter what.
The ones who can't change their lives because of a major obstacle like disability or extreme poverty, are doing themselves a disservice by legitimizing incels with their real problems.
They're just as bad as munchies, giving up all effort and demanding unwarranted care 24/7, except at least munchies try to craft a reason they deserve special treatment, incels think they deserve a loving non-whore non-gold digging non-feminist cute waifu just for existing.
No. 247776
>>247769>>247774this entitlement to sex thing is really weird, like im p sure no one thinks "ya gib free sex now even if ur not attracted to me". i've never seen anyone claim they were entitled to sex. in fact look at this thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8f05jd/does_a_single_person_here_actually_think_they_are/ most people don't say anything near this, idk why ppl keep repeating this
No. 247782
>>247776If they didn't call themselves "Involuntary Celibate" people wouldn't think they feel owed to sex. Nobody criticize the forever alone movement, in fact plenty of people feel compassion for them, try to reach out to them to provide some friendship and comfort. (they're often welcomed with a "have sex with me if you feel so bad for me" but that's another conversation)
The name incel + the IRL killers + the million of psychotic rants they post online lead people to clap back with a "you ain't entitled to shit, get your life together and stop being a crybaby".
No. 247798
>>247789In the book I'm rereading on Baltimore homicides, you don't run into anything like that. You have the despairingly not uncommon rape/murder, but usually in the course of another criminal act and not by the 'incel' mentality.
The numbers on this are too small to really use, as
>>247519 pointed out. And the number of murders 'incels' cause are insignificant compared to damn near everyone else who plays that game.
Anyway, sex is as easy as going to rural Nevada, or Bolivia, or large chunks of central Europe, and legally paying for it. Easy as a craigslist posting if you're willing to take the risk. Why these guys haven't realized that, I've no idea. What they need (and won't be getting with their mentality) is acceptance in some decent community of sorts.
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>>247776>They don't even say they're entitled to sex there!Yeah, they're spouting MUCH more horrendous shit than just that there.
>>247812>the "You guys are starting to sound like female incels!" memeWe should make a fucking bingo out of all these "n-not all men" tier replies
No. 247829
>>247827Exactly. Incels
>think they're entitled to sex by the government>admit to fondling their little sisters, mothers, etc.>plan to kill all "roasties"But you girls sound just the same!1!1
No. 247836
I think the thing with incels is that they use a made up reality where everything is extreme and black and white, believe in it strongly, and base their arguments in this reality. I wouldn't say they're base logic (lookism, etc.) is 100% wrong, they just blow things out of proportion and see everyone as objects/robots with preprogrammed thinking. So their ideas may sound logical, but it's so zealous and radical that it's in the uncanny valley of delusion.
I wouldn't say they're exactly "entitled," but generally see women as lesser and are angry that they can't get sex. They don't feel directly owed sex, but are still have misogynistic tendencies nonetheless. Not all, but most.
I will agree that many things we say here mirror their thoughts, but the origin is different (men being shitty to us and then making generalizations in retaliation). Doesn't make it any better, just different.
No. 247839
>>247836*their
Didn't think this typo thing would ever happen to me kek.
No. 247849
>>247847I think some definitely do (iirc the "Supreme Gentleman" himself agreed with this sentiment), but not even most. See the thread
>>247776 posted. Although they're also saying women being raped shouldn't feel """entitled""" to help so take that as you will. The false equivalency there is that not getting sex is immoral/a crime.
Again, I do agree they are all misogynists and despicable. And perhaps you could say they
feel entitled and their actions/other opinions speak to this, but most won't outright demand it from girls.
I hope you don't think I'm defending them, btw. I and the girl who posted that braincels thread (I imagine?) just want our side to fight the real ideas rather than a strawman.
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>>247776Are you thick or what? Nobody has to explicitly state word for word that they're entitled to sex for it to be obvious what their intentions. Yah, they can backtrack all they want but their true colors will eventually reveal who they really are.
>ugh we never said we were entitled to sex>proceeds to blame male violence on women because they don't want to fuck them "gib da poosy and no one will get hurt!!" No. 248904
>>248850Clearly, average-looking people never date. Only good-looking people do. /s
Several girls here, including me, seem to find him to be a QT (physically), so I'm not sure what your point is.
Elliot's problem was that he wanted to date only hot, blonde sorority women and was an obvious autistic narc. Had he broadened his horizons and seen women as human I'm sure he could've gotten a long-term gf. It's just that easy.
Most incels, unless they're deformed maybe, could get one girl with those two steps. They won't all be able to be chads and players, but a LTR is better than nothing.
No. 249001
The raw data was collected in the General Social Survey (GSS) which has been collected by the University of Chicago since 1972.
The sample size is much larger than N=12. The actual amount is 60,000 individuals.
It's possible to reconstruct the graphs itself from
https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/ No. 249028
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>>249008Gray Kimbrough seems to be the person who's arguing against the use of GSS as a sample size.
He does so in this tweet:
https://twitter.com/graykimbrough/status/992416625931509760The sample size isn't N=12 as the perior person stated, but out of "~1500-4500 people per sample".
He admits this most recent survey does indicate less sex among young adult men, but not enough to indicate a trend. Quoting from him, "They may show some recent trend, but they also show other shifts that are hard to interpret. Are young adult men having less sex? Maybe, but the GSS is not going to provide strong evidence of it." A similar graph he creates is attached. (Notice the blue line spiking in recent years).
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Meanwhile data from a 45,000 person survey conducted in 2013-14 from Canada does indicate unmarried young adult men do have less sex than their unmarried women counterparts.
http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2018/04/some-basic-facts-about-the-distribution-of-sex.htmlLook at the first two graphs. From ages 18-24, of those 47 thousand surveyed, men that age have less sex than women, with a 95% confidence interval.
One of their conclusions being:
"This graph is consistent with the idea that women in their early twenties are not only more likely than their male contemporaries to be sexually active, they are also more likely to having sex in the context of a long-term relationship, where there are regular opportunities for sex."
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>>249028Here's the very table Gray uses as attached.
How much you want to read into the data is up in the air. Gray says it's too small to extrapolate.
It does corroborate with the story that single young millenial men have less sex than their prior generations (Gen X and Baby Boomers). The sample can show that.
No. 249034
>>249030>4500 people per samplewhatever 'sample' means in the context of where you got that is not the relevant sample size which is, for example in 2016, from the table, 212. At that size it's not enough to say that a change from 10% in 2006 to 16% in 2016 isn't just noise.
Still, like everyone else I think there probably are more incel men (and 'volcel' i.e. spending their lives on the computer which would have been too boring pre-internet).
No. 249047
>>249034Kek, this. It was so fucking harder to just sit at home all day before the internet. You had no choice but go out or be bored out of your mind.
If you go out, you're going to meet more people and some of them would be willing to fuck you. The more people you meet, the better the chances.
There's no fucking conspiracy, just go the fuck out, incel.
No. 249058
>>249028So what if young women have more than sex young men?
Women don'owe men shit. Good for those women for having sex only with the men they find attractive.
No. 249094
>>249092Only the white/Asian ones.
The Muslims and blacks on the other hand…
No. 249097
>>249094Nobody will take women's rights. Don't worry about it.
I believe men will get more and more useless in the future and hold less power.
No. 249185
>>247625underrated post
this is the solution
No. 249198
>>249195This is so true.
We need to disestablish the age old systems of heterosexual monogamy and patrilineage.
Basically men should never know which kid they sired.
Married men's average life span increases, while married women's decreases. Unmarried men partake in many more high-risk activities.
Do not marry or be in committed relationships with men and let them kill themselves off.
No. 249202
>>249199>There were probably a lot more incels in the past due to religious morals and the fact that only men that could afford it could marry and start a family. I don't think so. Back then everyone was poor as hell and they still had huge families. Another thing is that religion shamed women who had kids out of wedlock and they didn't have the pill to prevent pregnancy.
Either way, I'm happy that now shit tier men have smaller chances of getting a partner. A big portion of the male population is expandable and we're better off without them.
No. 249225
>>249195Stop pulling false history out of your ass.
Historically, you used put your kid toward religion because there was no money to give him a good position. These kids weren't ugly toads, they were just unlucky to be born a 3nd or 4rd son to a good family. They usually had sex, just tried not to get caught.
Poor people didn't go into religion, married easily (women had little choice anyway) and made a lot of kids.
No. 249269
>>249198Why don't we just take children away from biological parents period and have them raised "equally" by the state.
I'm only partially kidding.
No. 249305
>>249269I don't have enough confidence in any state to get it right, but the family unit raising children should definitely not be the nuclear heterosexual family, but rather a multigenerational cooperative of women, grandmothers, aunts, sisters etc, or generally the females of a local community.
Men can live at the margins of this community for mutual benefit (sex, company, exchange of goods) but otherwise go do their man stuff. They have no responsibility for or authority over the women and children, but might choose to defend them if it comes to it, if only for their own sake (these are the family members they grew up with so there would likely be some loyalty). Any sexual or violent assault against women would be heavily penalized. Very old men could be integrated in the female community under heavy supervision, as they pose less of a risk to women and girls, and might provide good male role models – being the only old men that survived for so long, they must have done something right.
Of course, I'm describing hunter-gatherer societies here, I can't see this working in today's urban setting. But since this is how human societies evolved, and everything went downhill with the advent of agriculture and possibility to accumulate, store and own resources (I do not think population growth is an intrinsically good thing ), I propose that today's (Western) societal model is extremely maladapted to human biology. Foraging societies did not have incel problems. Sure some guy might try to rape, but would be swiftly punished. Since there is no expectation for any woman to tie her life and children to any one man she might be more sexually open to explore intimate relationships with any man. The population of adult men was smaller in general, with the higher quality ones surviving longer.
No. 249307
>>249305I think you're being rather simplistic and naive with your opinion of Hunter-gatherer societies.
Maybe also a bit hopeful that human nature won't rear its ugly head with regards to power struggles.
No. 249311
>>249305>>249307I don't necessarily believe all of this.
I'm just paralleling evo-psych arguments put forward in favour of male dominance, that usually attempt to explain why the social dynamics of 1950s USA are "natural" to humankind, while disregarding that we lived as anything other than foragers for less that 2% of the total time we've existed and the Western 50s nuclear family is an even more specific and unusual phenomenon.
I do believe this part:
>> the family unit raising children should definitely not be the nuclear heterosexual family And tbh most women I've had this conversation with intuitively and independently come up with the same conclusion, on all sides of the political spectrum. Sadly we seem to be to complacent (or subjugated into complacency) to effectively organize and bring forth change.
No. 249330
>>249326Single parents will struggle, regardless of gender. Unless the parent works from home they have to spend long amounts of time away from their child, leaving them in the hands of a babysitter or no one.
Having a group of adults care for a group of children means more early socialization and never doing without care.
No. 249342
>>249326If you were able to read you would see that nowhere I am talking about single parentage.
It is very harmful that women (and by extension their children) are expected to rely on one man in their life who might exchange them for a younger model as soon as the chance arises, I've seen this in action often enough. That is why I think children and their immediate caretakers should be integrated in a larger system in which everybody is expected to care for each other's need to a degree.
To be fair in hippie housing projects of the late 60s to now this often failed, but this was due imo to the extreme hedonistic attitudes of the adults and possibly the overinvolvement of men.
No. 249867
>>249097Only in white countries.
And they're already the minority, so that'll just make whites an even smaller minority.