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No. 247512

what do yall think of this

No. 247514

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some more

No. 247515

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>>247514
and last one

No. 247516

>>247512
what is the source of this "study"?

No. 247518


No. 247519

some fucking twitter thread where the guy says in the first tweet that the sample size is 12. He really should have refrained in that case from posted because all these meaningless graphs anyway (n=12 means they are entirely just noise) have spread all over the internet without any qualifier that it's n=12. Fuck the OP for posting this shit without checking and further spinning everybody around needlessly

No. 247521

>>247519
>>247516
..is the source, i mean

No. 247522

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Yeah we get it asian incel, nobody wants to fuck poor you.

No. 247523

Nobody cares if you can't get your dick wet, incel. Nobody owes you sex.

No. 247524

>>247523
if incel rates rise really fucking high, and eventually become the majority then yeah a lot of people will care though

No. 247525

>>247524
Why would that ever be an actual problem? Men aren't owed sex.

No. 247527

>>247524
We'll just euthanize them.

No. 247528

>>247527
wouldn't that just kill off most of the potential partners for most women though, creating idk commitmentcels or something, basically women who can't get into LTRs

No. 247529

>>247528
Women are better off alone than with some incel.

No. 247530

>>247528
Incels aren't potential partners for anyone

No. 247532

>>247530
>>247529
>>247528
being incel isn't some sort of anomaly. being average is probably enough to be an incel in 2018

pretty sure over 30% of males will be basically incel in the next 10 years

No. 247534

>>247532
Still not a problem.

No. 247536

>>247532
It isn't abnormal to be single but to self-identify as an incel is 100% abnormal and very telling.

No. 247537

Guy in that twitter thread:
>men can't get in relationship bc they're unstable and insane and women don't like it
>"but these men need wimmins influence to be stable!!!"
>"IT'S NOT WIMMINS DUTY THO!!!1 DISCLAIMER!! DON'T @ ME!!"

No shit insane men will be insane, single or not. Good grief.

No. 247538

i for one welcome our new lesbian overlords

No. 247539

>>247538
Imagine a world full of lesbians and where women only date attractive men. Incels can go to hell for all I care.

No. 247542

>>247539
probably just gonna make shit like looksmaxxing super mainstream, like most guys will get plastic surgery or some shit

>>247537
>men can't get in relationship bc they're unstable and insane

no its cus they're ugly lols

>>247536
i mean people who don't have sex/intimacy, like incel by definition not by self identification

No. 247543

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Kek, yeah, that's some serious research right here.

No. 247545

>>247542
>no its cus they're ugly lols
No it's cus they have a victim mentality and think they deserve some hot Stacy when they can't be bothered to take care of themselves.
>Ib4 …B..But!!! I can't help my preferences for elven looking skinny pales girls that I constantly jerk off to!

>i mean people who don't have sex/intimacy, like incel by definition not by self identification

Lmao no you tard, I've been single for 6 month and I will never call myself an incel, that's so fucking embarassing.

No. 247546

>>247518
then it's not a legitimate source. especially if the sample size is 12 people LOL any of which could've lied about being a woman

No. 247548

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>>247545
>I've been single for 6 month

lmao

also most incels ive met have the lowest fucking standards in the world. i have an incel friend who constantly sends me pictures of obese unattractive women and says shit like "she would reject me. because im a sub 5 ethnic". you go on 4fun and someone posts a comically unattractive woman, and someone says "I would unironically date her. I just want any woman who will be nice to me at this point".

No. 247550

Might be the reason why we get an influx of alt-right males and the fear of being a “soy-boy.”

No. 247551

>>247545
That's the problem with incels. They blow off things out of proportions.
A lot of people lose their virginity pretty late and don't make a fuss about it. Most people have dry spells. They get frustrated about it but they don't jump to thinking it's a conspiration. It's just part of life.
Incels are so fucking entitled thinking they are owed anything by life.

>>247548
Yeah, and having no standard and ultra low self esteem is not something attractive in a mate. Incels play themselves by reeking of desperation for any kind of relationship. No functionning woman wants to take care of some needy man child unable to self soothe, ffs.
Take charge of your own life, you're pathetic.

No. 247552

Serious question:
Why don't you incels just kill yourselves? Don't you realize the world is better off without you guys?

No. 247554

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>>247550
dunno what this means but incels are a pretty multicultural group

>>247551
but dating has become ridiculously competitive now with smartphones and shit, they don't have to compete with their social circle or the people in her immediacy anymore, they also have to compete with 100s of tinder matches and shit

No. 247555

>>247548
and yet i bet those unattractive obese women still put effort into their clothes and makeup whereas incels wear ugly baggy blue denim, baggy tshirts from a 5 pack at target and have an ugly haircut and dry skin

No. 247556

>>247555
nah my friend is pretty into fashion and stuff. imo he looks p good, def not a sub 5 but he gets zero tinder matches unless he posts a pic with his cat or something

No. 247557

>>247556
post a pic. blur out his face if you must.

No. 247558

>>247554
Online dating doesn't work for the majority of people. But since incels have shit tier social skills they can't get any tinder match and they can't seduce anyone IRL either.

No. 247559

>>247554
wah-wah, muh competition.
Yeah, it was clearly a better time when people use to date because they happened to live close, had pretty much nothing in common and married because welp, that's what you did.

Also, why do incels always go back to the tinder shit? You know you can meet new people in other ways, right? Way that will help you showcase personnality, humor, charisma better if you think your looks are not up to the part?

No. 247560

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>>247557
aw man i can't post his face. he just looks like a brown asap rocky with a smaller nose and lips

>>247558
i think part of it is though that everyone has worse social skills nowadays though, so more and more girls will just resort to only using dating apps because they have poor social skills as well and that's where the competition is more cutthroat

No. 247561

honestly when it comes to online dating, men do not know how to take good selfies. that's honestly it. they do not know how to sell sex appeal which is what online dating is all about

No. 247562

>>247561
Yup. Most men take the blandest picture with the worst angle possible when they'd look perfectly fine in a good picture with something to look at (in a interesting place, with some cool clothes, doing something out of the ordinary).

No. 247563

>>247560
Are you serious? Asap Rocky is super cute , if he can't get any match and he really lookl ike him, he just doesn't know how to take a good pic or maybe he blow it when they start messaging.

No. 247565

>>247562
nah i'm sick of stuff like that
>look at me sitting on a mountain
>look at me squatting lul memes xD
>look at my sick fit

i want men to act more sexy god dammit. give me seduction

No. 247566

>>247565
Eh I don't want men to post weird sexy pic on their tinder profile, it screams fuckboi.

No. 247567

>>247566
and fuckbois are good for hookups
we're not all looking to get hitched

>>247560
i highly doubt your friend looks like asap rocky lol

No. 247568

https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a

GET OFF dating websites. If you wanna find a girl, go outside and start interacting with people. Expand your social circle, put yourself out there.

No. 247569

>>247568
pua propaganda

No. 247571

>>247565
>>247562
so what would be seductive

>>247567
i'm gonna delete this in like 4 seconds but tell me he dont look like asap rocky in this pic

>>247562
dunno, one of my friends told me none of that shit mattered but she p much only swipes on 8/10+ asian boys

No. 247572

>>247571
LMFAO WHAT he looks NOTHING like him
no offense but he is ugly

No. 247574

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>>247571
Looks like a refugee and therefore girls probably stay away from him…

OP is just jealous that he's not a chad asian who can get a cute white gf kek

No. 247575

>>247571
Tbh I think he's decently cute, he does look a tiny bit like Asap but he's far from being as handsome. But if he's an incel he probably has a shit personality and I bet he ooze insecurity.

No. 247577

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>>247572
p sure you're just blinded by the clout

No. 247578

>>247571
He's honestly really cute, but I have a thing for slender brown guys anyway.

Too bad I def don't live in your area and am probably not his type anyway hahahaa..

No. 247579

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lol sorry but your friend is ugly.
He should be dating brown girls like him but I bet he's only after white girls.

No. 247580

>>247571
Yeah, that's a normal looking dude. >>247575 is probably right.

No. 247581

>>247579
LOL his teeth are too big for his head

No. 247582

>>247571
how tf is your friend "into" fashion? he looks like a typical fob hypebeast. explain yourself

No. 247583

>>247571
Cute but that pic is awkward. Tell him to get better selfie skills; he looks challenged.

No. 247584


No. 247586

>>247582
idk. i'm done with this thread. i made a bad decision by being bored as shit and going on lolcow of all places to start a discussion about incels of all things, then you guys did me dirty by reposting that image i deleted. i'm done with incels, i'll never think about or utter the word incel ever again after this. i'm just gonna pretend its not a thing

No. 247589

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>>247586
>Unironically feeling betrayed by lolcow

Only a dumbass would post a pic of their friend on an imageboard.

No. 247593

>>247571
your "friend" yeah sure lol

No. 247596

>>247593
HA. It actually does come off as if picture-anon (who claims to have started this thread) may actually be a male. That's probably a pic of him kek.

I don't retract my statements, anon-kun. You're cute, but riling up girls and defending misogyny isn't a good romance strat.

No. 247608

>>247512
This whole ordeal has been really disappointing, but not surprising. Incel is the new catch-all for 'person I don't like/disagree with'. All because one guy referenced 4chan in a facebook post. The really aggravating part is the hypocrisy of it all. If the killer was a Muslim this would all have been swept under the rug and forgotten about in a day or two.

/vent

No. 247609

>>247608
To be fair they were already the laughing stock of the internet and we were complaining about them casually all the time here on /ot/ anyway.

Alek did put them on the radar for normies, and it's something new and interesting for them.

Sadly, I think the thing with Muslim terrorists is that it's become too common so it isn't 'exciting' anymore.

No. 247610

>>247608
Incels deserve to be shamed, ands it's new (for normies) so people are excited about it.

No. 247613

>>247612
you actually think we "forget" that concept and forget what angry men are capable of? you clearly have no idea what it's like.

>women complain/express fear about male violence and dominance

"You're exaggerating it! You're just a perpetual victim brainwashed by feminism!"

>women laugh it off and don't express fear

"um have women FORGOTTEN that the only reason their heads aren't on pikes in the center of town is because we men have ALLOWED them to coexist with us and we can just as easily revoke that privilege? Feminism has made women so spoiled!"

No. 247615

>>247613
There was no "complaining", or "fear" - there are women in here who think it won't become a problem.

No. 247619

>>247612
Your virgin rage isn't going to legalize rape, kiddo. It will raise the male suicide rate though… I'm hot and bothered just thinking about that desu >///~///<

>motivated, angry, stronger, etc.

Angry? Yes. Motivated and/or stronger? e l e h m a y y o h

No. 247620

>>247612
So, solutions? Force us to have sex with men who hate us? The onus is still on them to not be immoral/destructive in the first place. I don't agree with most anonettes itt hating on 'ugly' boys. I personally believe most incels can be average-hot with self care and being kind.

>inb4 ur lying you just like chads!!!

I like scrawny, gangly guys who dress well (dress shirts/etc.). I know of girls irl who like chubby/bear-esque men.

Anyway, my solution is that everyone on earth should be forcibly sterilized, the human race is shit. But realistically, if it gets worse than this I'll just off myself. That's my plan, y'all girls can join me if you want.

No. 247621

>>247615
It's not a problem, men in power (aka the one who could fuck us over) are not incels and won't side with some creepy virgins over well adjusted women. I wish every incel would just an hero once and for all, they're an annoying and sad nuisance.

No. 247622

>>247610
Normies are stupid and take things too far though. Below average guys are going to be baselessly accused of being incels because of how they look and being a bit shyer than the other boys.

No. 247625

>>247512
Consider the following
>societies with a lots of female infanticide become violent and depraved
>societies with lots of male infanticide were never given a try though
>kill men before they are even born
>???
>profit

No. 247626

>>247615
yeah i know. i mean women express fear about patriarchy and male backlash all the fucking time, but the second someone makes a joke about it, someone like you pops us to "remind us" that men can end their little experiment of letting us exist among them unharmed. It's oblivious and transparent. I don't see how you can think we've forgotten anything when all forms of feminism and concepts like rape culture are extremely prevalent. Our only options are to constantly express fear (which many do), arm/protect ourselves, or just go about our lives and try not to get too neurotic about it.

>>247620
plus so many girls i know have legitimately ugly boyfriends. i know it's subjective but certainly no less ugly than the average incel. it's not like any one feature makes you unfuckable, it's a combination of things. if incels have wack style, don't take care of themselves, aren't seductive, are mean, are socially and philosophically dumb, have no ambition, what the fuck do they expect? No, this doesn't mean any of one of these things is "the only thing women want". It just means if you have literally nothing going for you, how can you feel so entitled to someone picking you?

No. 247628

>>247626
>plus so many girls i know have legitimately ugly boyfriends.
That's because Hollywood and tv have been indoctrinating girls since they are children to expect little of men and always try to look for a, supposed, heart of gold under the basic boring uggo fucker's ribcage.
On the other hand men are taught to value first and foremost women looks and that they are entitled to someone even if they are sick sociopathic bastards.

No. 247632

>>247628
NTA, but I don't think everyone is brainwashed. I've known average or uggo guys irl with girlfriends of the same level. The average, healthy normie is usually reasonable. Both ways. Plus different men have different tastes.

As well, at least where I live, I see effort going into looks is down a lot in both men and women. Many girls leave the house wearing just leggings and hoodies and guys with sweatpants and hoodies. Few people take pride in that anymore, unless for their job. Or they're just interested in fashion. Regardless, it's not the norm as it was even 40 years ago.

This is all anecdotal but eh. Maybe things are different in Europe/Asia/even different parts of my country (Maple Leaf Land).

I would like more movies with average-faced women, but that's more diversity's sake.

Men are often more violent, though. I'm not a blinded handmaiden.

No. 247634

>>247619
>It will raise the male suicide rate though… I'm hot and bothered just thinking about that desu >///~///<
Me too. I doubt even their parents would care.

No. 247642

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>>247524
>if incel rates rise really fucking high, and eventually become the majority
Sounds far-fetched unless in a country like China or India given their male to female ratio.

No. 247658

What I dont understand with these guys is why is sex the biggest problem in their life? Why not focus on making yourself a better person? Pursuing different interests and getting to know people? If your self esteem is so trash that you lash out on other people, work on yourself to be better.

No. 247663

>what do yall think of this
genetic waste getting sorted out

No. 247688

>>247621
>and won't side with some creepy virgins over well adjusted women.
Meanwhile a religion with over 1.5 billion followers reveres a man that fucked 9 year olds, believed women should be property, and didn't permit people in his home for too long because he was socially awkward.

No. 247695

>>247691
They should just kill themselves then. If only they could live in society as pacific people maybe they would enjoy the other things life can offer, but they can't.

No. 247701

>>247695
Hopefully we all just get nuked.
The human experiment has clearly failed, time to reset and try again.

No. 247703

>>247702
You're preaching to the wrong crowd. You won't find any kind of HAES bullshit on lolcow.
Maybe we should have self hating fatties and incel date each other?

No. 247704

>>247691
so why do so many women have ugly and beta looking bfs and husbands

No. 247705

>>247701
Why should we have to suffer because of defective men? Such men have been expandable throughout the history of humanity. Let them fucking die.

No. 247706

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Some disgusting looking dudes have seriously cute gf (most women are cuter than most men anyways). The fact that most incels are decent looking and can't even find a partner show how fucking repugnant they are IRL, imagine having a personality so rotten that you can't find a partner despise looking like pic related and being rich.

No. 247707

>>247706
Agreed, a lot of it comes down to personality, mannerisms and attitude. I've known way too many robots and tbh most of them weren't bad looking, they just self sabotaged at every other turn.

No. 247708

>>247706
LOL and these idiots will still claim that rodger was an incel for every reason except that. "no it was because he's a short hapa only white chads get pussy!!"

No. 247710

>>247706
>and being rich/coming from rich families

And this part ESPECIALLY blows the incel argument out of the water because, according to incels, men who are rich are swimming in puss on the basis that all women are willing to date repugnant guys in exchange for money.

No. 247714

>>247710
they don't say that at all lol. Their website was called "lookism" because the whole premise is that it's an -ism, discrimination against ugly people, which means that it's not worth getting rich because only face-height-frame (genetic things) matter and therefore they are a class suffering through no fault of their own. Before it was called lookism it was called puahate because pua sells the idea that if you get/act rich that will help and they believed that to be a lie/scam

No. 247723

>>247714
Elliot Rodgers wasn't that ugly tho. He was a clearly average kid. I know uglier men with gfs. Lots of them.

It's all fucking personnalitism ! Stop being rotten shits feeling entitled to sex without putting anything forward. Being interesting will make women more interested in you!
More news at 11.

No. 247724

>>247621
We have to trust the "men in power" not to agree with incels and not fuck us over.

Let that sink in. Entitled males think "being a sexual object" is a privilege but "not fearing for their human rights" and "pushing for the rights of others to be revoked so we can get our dicks wet" is not.

No. 247731

>>247702
we're not "incelphobic" because you're lonely, it's because of your shit attitutes towards women (and men)

No. 247735

>>247514
>>247515
looks like it was made in MS Paint lmao

No. 247741

>>247525
Are women owed male affection?

No. 247744

>>247741
No one is owed affection.

No. 247745

>>247552
Serious question:
Why don't you rape victims just kill yourselves? Don't you realize the world is better off without you guys?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 247746

>>247741
No. Nice try at a "gotcha" though.

No. 247747

>>247745
That comparison makes no sense.

No. 247748

>>247741
No, but 99% of males will just give away it to any female who will accept it. What are you trying to say here?

>>247745
Are you… implying incels have the same value as rape victims? Incels are pathetic, repulsive, wastes of money, time, and air, they have a lower value than cockroaches. Rape victims are just that: rape victims. Talk about a false equivalence.

No. 247759

>>247714
I'm not sure what incels you've seen but literally every one bitches about money playing a factor.

No. 247768

>>247741
absolutely not. living without affection sucks. but that's not the responsibility of anyone but yourself. you either hope you luck out and find someone who likes you exactly as you are right now, you self improve to up your chances, or you accept it. It's pathetic. Besides, needing someone else's love for any kind of happiness isn't healthy anyway. They're not the first ones of either sex to be perpetually alone and involuntarily celibate, but they might be the first group to be so adamant that the objects of their affection deserve to die for not dropping everything to a fulfill the fantasy of men who don't even respect them.

No. 247769

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>>247768
tbh "involuntarily" celibate is an oxymoron

No. 247774

>>247769
lol true i just couldn't think of a better word. sexual frustration maybe.

but seriously, i was so sympathetic to incels for so long and all it did was make me feel ashamed and guilty for being a woman with preferences. they're manbabies who could help themselves but would rather put that burden on women no matter what.
The ones who can't change their lives because of a major obstacle like disability or extreme poverty, are doing themselves a disservice by legitimizing incels with their real problems.
They're just as bad as munchies, giving up all effort and demanding unwarranted care 24/7, except at least munchies try to craft a reason they deserve special treatment, incels think they deserve a loving non-whore non-gold digging non-feminist cute waifu just for existing.

No. 247776

>>247769
>>247774
this entitlement to sex thing is really weird, like im p sure no one thinks "ya gib free sex now even if ur not attracted to me". i've never seen anyone claim they were entitled to sex. in fact look at this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8f05jd/does_a_single_person_here_actually_think_they_are/

most people don't say anything near this, idk why ppl keep repeating this

No. 247782

>>247776
If they didn't call themselves "Involuntary Celibate" people wouldn't think they feel owed to sex. Nobody criticize the forever alone movement, in fact plenty of people feel compassion for them, try to reach out to them to provide some friendship and comfort. (they're often welcomed with a "have sex with me if you feel so bad for me" but that's another conversation)

The name incel + the IRL killers + the million of psychotic rants they post online lead people to clap back with a "you ain't entitled to shit, get your life together and stop being a crybaby".

No. 247786

>>247782
werent there pretty much only like 2 incel killers. there's a new mass killing/shooting every other month and the incel kill rate is barely higher than that. we just live in a retarded timeline

No. 247789

>>247786

Men killing women because they feel they are owed sex is not new. Attributing these killings to self-identified INCELs or to INCEL ideology is new.

No. 247798

>>247789
In the book I'm rereading on Baltimore homicides, you don't run into anything like that. You have the despairingly not uncommon rape/murder, but usually in the course of another criminal act and not by the 'incel' mentality.

The numbers on this are too small to really use, as >>247519 pointed out. And the number of murders 'incels' cause are insignificant compared to damn near everyone else who plays that game.

Anyway, sex is as easy as going to rural Nevada, or Bolivia, or large chunks of central Europe, and legally paying for it. Easy as a craigslist posting if you're willing to take the risk. Why these guys haven't realized that, I've no idea. What they need (and won't be getting with their mentality) is acceptance in some decent community of sorts.

No. 247812

>>247748
You guys start to sound like the incels themselves sometimes with with all the generalizations, especially when you use the most pathetic members of that group as a representation of all of them. They aren't as well spoken or educated but the similarities are pretty hard to ignore sometimes.

No. 247814

>>247812
I kind of agree here. Like obviously incels are kind of shits because they've chosen to identify themselves as such, but some anons on here are just female versions of them.

No. 247827

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>>247776
>They don't even say they're entitled to sex there!
Yeah, they're spouting MUCH more horrendous shit than just that there.

>>247812
>the "You guys are starting to sound like female incels!" meme
We should make a fucking bingo out of all these "n-not all men" tier replies

No. 247829

>>247827
Exactly. Incels
>think they're entitled to sex by the government
>admit to fondling their little sisters, mothers, etc.
>plan to kill all "roasties"
But you girls sound just the same!1!1

No. 247834

>>247829
I agree that incels have some of the worst ideas of any self proclaimed group but I think there's something to be said if their opposition online have to do the same mental gymnastics to make sweeping conclusions about entire groups of people.

No. 247836

I think the thing with incels is that they use a made up reality where everything is extreme and black and white, believe in it strongly, and base their arguments in this reality. I wouldn't say they're base logic (lookism, etc.) is 100% wrong, they just blow things out of proportion and see everyone as objects/robots with preprogrammed thinking. So their ideas may sound logical, but it's so zealous and radical that it's in the uncanny valley of delusion.

I wouldn't say they're exactly "entitled," but generally see women as lesser and are angry that they can't get sex. They don't feel directly owed sex, but are still have misogynistic tendencies nonetheless. Not all, but most.


I will agree that many things we say here mirror their thoughts, but the origin is different (men being shitty to us and then making generalizations in retaliation). Doesn't make it any better, just different.

No. 247839

>>247836
*their

Didn't think this typo thing would ever happen to me kek.

No. 247847

>>247836
>They don't feel directly owed sex
?? They literally think the government should equally distribute women out to men so they all get to have sex

No. 247849

>>247847
I think some definitely do (iirc the "Supreme Gentleman" himself agreed with this sentiment), but not even most. See the thread >>247776 posted. Although they're also saying women being raped shouldn't feel """entitled""" to help so take that as you will. The false equivalency there is that not getting sex is immoral/a crime.

Again, I do agree they are all misogynists and despicable. And perhaps you could say they feel entitled and their actions/other opinions speak to this, but most won't outright demand it from girls.

I hope you don't think I'm defending them, btw. I and the girl who posted that braincels thread (I imagine?) just want our side to fight the real ideas rather than a strawman.

No. 247861

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>>247776
Are you thick or what? Nobody has to explicitly state word for word that they're entitled to sex for it to be obvious what their intentions. Yah, they can backtrack all they want but their true colors will eventually reveal who they really are.
>ugh we never said we were entitled to sex
>proceeds to blame male violence on women because they don't want to fuck them "gib da poosy and no one will get hurt!!"

No. 248850

>>247706
He wasn't that rich and he was not particularly good looking.

No. 248854

>>247706
he didn't know how to dress his body shape. he could've been a slayer rip

No. 248855

>>248854
>rip
I say good riddance for the sociopathic little shit. Thank god he was never able to fool any girl to stay with his narc ass.

No. 248904

>>248850
Clearly, average-looking people never date. Only good-looking people do. /s

Several girls here, including me, seem to find him to be a QT (physically), so I'm not sure what your point is.

Elliot's problem was that he wanted to date only hot, blonde sorority women and was an obvious autistic narc. Had he broadened his horizons and seen women as human I'm sure he could've gotten a long-term gf. It's just that easy.

Most incels, unless they're deformed maybe, could get one girl with those two steps. They won't all be able to be chads and players, but a LTR is better than nothing.

No. 249001

The raw data was collected in the General Social Survey (GSS) which has been collected by the University of Chicago since 1972.

The sample size is much larger than N=12. The actual amount is 60,000 individuals.

It's possible to reconstruct the graphs itself from https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/

No. 249002


No. 249008

>>249001
so can you explain why the person who posted it on twitter said the sample size was only about a dozen for the graphs? for example the OP graph, cutting 60k down to only unmarried and an age bracket doesn't leave 12 people

No. 249028

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>>249008
Gray Kimbrough seems to be the person who's arguing against the use of GSS as a sample size.

He does so in this tweet:
https://twitter.com/graykimbrough/status/992416625931509760

The sample size isn't N=12 as the perior person stated, but out of "~1500-4500 people per sample".

He admits this most recent survey does indicate less sex among young adult men, but not enough to indicate a trend. Quoting from him, "They may show some recent trend, but they also show other shifts that are hard to interpret. Are young adult men having less sex? Maybe, but the GSS is not going to provide strong evidence of it." A similar graph he creates is attached. (Notice the blue line spiking in recent years).



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Meanwhile data from a 45,000 person survey conducted in 2013-14 from Canada does indicate unmarried young adult men do have less sex than their unmarried women counterparts.

http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2018/04/some-basic-facts-about-the-distribution-of-sex.html

Look at the first two graphs. From ages 18-24, of those 47 thousand surveyed, men that age have less sex than women, with a 95% confidence interval.

One of their conclusions being:
"This graph is consistent with the idea that women in their early twenties are not only more likely than their male contemporaries to be sexually active, they are also more likely to having sex in the context of a long-term relationship, where there are regular opportunities for sex."

No. 249030

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>>249028
Here's the very table Gray uses as attached.

How much you want to read into the data is up in the air. Gray says it's too small to extrapolate.

It does corroborate with the story that single young millenial men have less sex than their prior generations (Gen X and Baby Boomers). The sample can show that.

No. 249034

>>249030
>4500 people per sample
whatever 'sample' means in the context of where you got that is not the relevant sample size which is, for example in 2016, from the table, 212. At that size it's not enough to say that a change from 10% in 2006 to 16% in 2016 isn't just noise.

Still, like everyone else I think there probably are more incel men (and 'volcel' i.e. spending their lives on the computer which would have been too boring pre-internet).

No. 249047

>>249034
Kek, this. It was so fucking harder to just sit at home all day before the internet. You had no choice but go out or be bored out of your mind.
If you go out, you're going to meet more people and some of them would be willing to fuck you. The more people you meet, the better the chances.
There's no fucking conspiracy, just go the fuck out, incel.

No. 249058

>>249028
So what if young women have more than sex young men?
Women don'owe men shit. Good for those women for having sex only with the men they find attractive.

No. 249067

>>249047
i guess the woman shit is low because shut-in/autistic girls can just go on tinder and get some handsome penis in them easily

No. 249087

>>249058
B-but men will rise up and take our rights away and turn us into cattle!

No. 249092

>>249087
More like they'll just kill themselves, which I don't mind.

No. 249094

>>249092
Only the white/Asian ones.
The Muslims and blacks on the other hand…

No. 249097

>>249094
Nobody will take women's rights. Don't worry about it.
I believe men will get more and more useless in the future and hold less power.

No. 249185

>>247625
underrated post
this is the solution

No. 249189

>>248854
Excuse you, his sunglasses cost $300. Giorgio Armani.

No. 249194

>>249028
Did everyone have sex in 2012 because the world was going to end?

No. 249195

>>247524
Historically, a large population of incels was actually fairly common. Wars used to be good for clearing them out. Incels won't be the majority, and the men who are incels now probably would have been incels 100 years ago, too. Nobody wants them and they have nothing to offer.

No. 249196

>>247542
It's not your looks. It's your repugnant personality and attitude.

No. 249198

>>249195
This is so true.

We need to disestablish the age old systems of heterosexual monogamy and patrilineage.
Basically men should never know which kid they sired.
Married men's average life span increases, while married women's decreases. Unmarried men partake in many more high-risk activities.
Do not marry or be in committed relationships with men and let them kill themselves off.

No. 249199

>>249195
There were probably a lot more incels in the past due to religious morals and the fact that only men that could afford it could marry and start a family. Having lots of casual sex really only became common with the introduction of the pill.

No. 249202

>>249199
>There were probably a lot more incels in the past due to religious morals and the fact that only men that could afford it could marry and start a family.
I don't think so. Back then everyone was poor as hell and they still had huge families. Another thing is that religion shamed women who had kids out of wedlock and they didn't have the pill to prevent pregnancy.
Either way, I'm happy that now shit tier men have smaller chances of getting a partner. A big portion of the male population is expandable and we're better off without them.

No. 249225

>>249195
Stop pulling false history out of your ass.
Historically, you used put your kid toward religion because there was no money to give him a good position. These kids weren't ugly toads, they were just unlucky to be born a 3nd or 4rd son to a good family. They usually had sex, just tried not to get caught.
Poor people didn't go into religion, married easily (women had little choice anyway) and made a lot of kids.

No. 249269

>>249198
Why don't we just take children away from biological parents period and have them raised "equally" by the state.

I'm only partially kidding.

No. 249305

>>249269

I don't have enough confidence in any state to get it right, but the family unit raising children should definitely not be the nuclear heterosexual family, but rather a multigenerational cooperative of women, grandmothers, aunts, sisters etc, or generally the females of a local community.
Men can live at the margins of this community for mutual benefit (sex, company, exchange of goods) but otherwise go do their man stuff. They have no responsibility for or authority over the women and children, but might choose to defend them if it comes to it, if only for their own sake (these are the family members they grew up with so there would likely be some loyalty). Any sexual or violent assault against women would be heavily penalized. Very old men could be integrated in the female community under heavy supervision, as they pose less of a risk to women and girls, and might provide good male role models – being the only old men that survived for so long, they must have done something right.

Of course, I'm describing hunter-gatherer societies here, I can't see this working in today's urban setting. But since this is how human societies evolved, and everything went downhill with the advent of agriculture and possibility to accumulate, store and own resources (I do not think population growth is an intrinsically good thing ), I propose that today's (Western) societal model is extremely maladapted to human biology. Foraging societies did not have incel problems. Sure some guy might try to rape, but would be swiftly punished. Since there is no expectation for any woman to tie her life and children to any one man she might be more sexually open to explore intimate relationships with any man. The population of adult men was smaller in general, with the higher quality ones surviving longer.

No. 249307

>>249305
I think you're being rather simplistic and naive with your opinion of Hunter-gatherer societies.
Maybe also a bit hopeful that human nature won't rear its ugly head with regards to power struggles.

No. 249311

>>249305
>>249307

I don't necessarily believe all of this.
I'm just paralleling evo-psych arguments put forward in favour of male dominance, that usually attempt to explain why the social dynamics of 1950s USA are "natural" to humankind, while disregarding that we lived as anything other than foragers for less that 2% of the total time we've existed and the Western 50s nuclear family is an even more specific and unusual phenomenon.

I do believe this part:
>> the family unit raising children should definitely not be the nuclear heterosexual family

And tbh most women I've had this conversation with intuitively and independently come up with the same conclusion, on all sides of the political spectrum. Sadly we seem to be to complacent (or subjugated into complacency) to effectively organize and bring forth change.

No. 249326

>>249305
Ah yes we see how people raised by single mothers come up, upstanding citizens.

No. 249328

>>249326
this is the shittiest strawman I've ever seen.

No. 249330

>>249326
Single parents will struggle, regardless of gender. Unless the parent works from home they have to spend long amounts of time away from their child, leaving them in the hands of a babysitter or no one.

Having a group of adults care for a group of children means more early socialization and never doing without care.

No. 249342

>>249326

If you were able to read you would see that nowhere I am talking about single parentage.

It is very harmful that women (and by extension their children) are expected to rely on one man in their life who might exchange them for a younger model as soon as the chance arises, I've seen this in action often enough. That is why I think children and their immediate caretakers should be integrated in a larger system in which everybody is expected to care for each other's need to a degree.

To be fair in hippie housing projects of the late 60s to now this often failed, but this was due imo to the extreme hedonistic attitudes of the adults and possibly the overinvolvement of men.

No. 249362

>>249326
uhh single motherhood is practically the opposite of what she suggested.

No. 249867

>>249097
Only in white countries.
And they're already the minority, so that'll just make whites an even smaller minority.



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