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No. 236131
needed some way to vent about this, and i always love reading about other people's raging hate boners for (insert x title here). this isn't limited to books alone - it can be a show, comic, webcomic, etc. as long as it has your blood boiling almost every time you see it and you can't begin to imagine how anyone could get into it.
i'll start us off: "a matter of life and death" (
https://tapas.io/series/A-Matter-of-Life-and-Death) is kind of the brainless beauty of western BL. now, it didn't start off that way, but between the author deciding to start acting like a spoiled brat instead of taking responsibility for her growing fanbase during the past year, and the story itself taking an olympic nosedive into overwrought, melodramatic, needlessly vindictive (while somehow still failing to deliver all the emotional punches during actually appropriate scenes), everything-that-makes-BL-shit territory.
now, as a disclaimer, i will admit that i'm not a fan of BL in general. i've seen way too many works that portray stuff like rape, abuse, etc. way too voyeuristically for my comfort, and even in more lighthearted series it usually feels like the authors don't know how guys interact with other people, let alone how gay guys do it. it's just not for me. but for fuck's sake, even i can recognize that BL fans deserve better than this.
No. 236154
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I found Dune to be trashy and misogynistic. I seriously don't understand how it's so well-regarded, it's a Marysuetopia with really dubious morality and again, it's blatantly anti-woman.
No. 236156
>>236154I tried read Dune when I was 15, and got only 50 pages in. I remember nothing other than it was just infodumping and robotic world building.
Ender's Game is another one of overrated books beloved by a specific male audience.
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So overrated for all the ~controversy~, spoiled rich kid drops out of school, lies about his age to get booze and women and is an antisocial weirdo with a speshul white stripe in his hair. What’s so special about that?
No. 236174
I actually love this kind of saltiness too. I'm pretty excited for this thread.
I recently watched Blade Runner 2049 after seeing all kinds of praise for it online. People are calling it the best movie of the year last year, even best of the decade, and saying, "only smart people can understand this movie."
It was really simplistic, and the robot Jesus story is an awful idea to base a Blade Runner movie off of (in my opinion). Plus, the way female characters were treated was pretty bad. Especially the waifu character. I thought there would be some kind of conflict with K being a replicant and waifu being an AI…like he would realize that she doesn't have even artificial sentience, and that even as robots their relationship can never be equal. It would be like being married to Alexa or Siri. But they went for the most obvious story beats and were very lazy about twists. Not that they were really twists, but when you see plot points coming from miles away, it takes away from the story. And one more thing, the visuals and music were great, but they didn't come together in a way that made the setting feel lived-in and real. I wouldn't recommend this movie to a Blade Runner fan, or to someone who has read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.
It's mostly the fanbase that annoys me, since it's not a bad movie. But I've ranted enough now.
No. 236177
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The Great Gatsby is a boring, glorified soap opera. It's only appeal is being set during the 20's. I fucking hate this book so much that I threw it into a rentention pond when I finished it. I'd rather read car repair manuals than this shit again
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>>236177Samefag but fuck Hemingway too. You'd think being a miserable old drunk would make one more expressive, but no. Third graders are more engaging writers. That being said, I did laugh at the part where he calls the fish a whore
No. 236181
>>236180Speaking of homoeroticism…
OP, you got any more shitty homosex comics? I need a good laugh.
No. 236183
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Interesting premise ruined by a shite writer and the fact that EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER HAS THE SAME LAME 2007 ERA /B/TARD SENSE OF HUMOR. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
No. 236187
>>236174kek I liked BR2049 but people literally posting about it nonstop on /tv/ on 4chan because they liked the idea of having a submissive holo waifu was the final straw that made me stop going there (though I should've stopped going there way sooner tbh).
>>236183thanks for the warning, I was thinking about starting this book
No. 236191
>>236168>>236169>>236172The thing is, this was a big deal when
it was written, back in the 40s. A kid doing these things back then was ~scandalous~. The controversy stuff didn't hold up as well through out the years, but for some reason dumb conservative parents still think it is oh so outrageous when by today's standards it's not, and then the kids get disappointed reading it. If people stoped hyping up this book so much, it would just be a decent read into a 40's teenaged boy's life.
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I remember sacrificing a week of friendship because my friend couldn't understand why I was ditching her to read this piece of shit, and in hindsight, I don't know why I did that either. And several more of his piece of shit novels. I wish I could abort that span of time from my life.
>>236187>thanks for the warning, I was thinking about starting this bookIf you can suspend disbelief and constantly remind yourself Andy Weir made his career as a software engineer and has not a single literary bone in his body, it's probably not as bad as it could be.
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Out of all, I think I've always felt cheated by this one. Even King himself thinks it's one of his more tryhard pieces.
It's a story of a woman escaping domestic violence, but King fucks it all up and adds unnecessary fantasical elements without any basis and the ending is trash as a result.
>>236193He didn't do anything, as far as I know. His books are pretty edgy and not very well written, so that was more of a confessions on cringe past, if anything.
No. 236197
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>>236183>>236187I personally thought The Martian was really fun! It's a nice summer afternoon read.
>>236192 is right though - you need to remember he's not the best writer. However, pic related is pure fucking garbage. I got it as a Book of the Month and I'm real upset that I wasted a credit on it.
MC is basically the exact same character as the MC in the Martian except a hypersexual (read: she talks like how a 13 year old boy would about sex and how sexy she is) Muslim woman that sounds exactly like a white man. The plot is boring horseshit too. At least you can root for the MC in the Martian.
Also Ready Player one is trash but I think it'll translate better to film. MC is a total Mary Sue. Anyone else read it?
No. 236201
>>236199Ohhh my god. Yes. That "plot twist" if you could call it that had me cringing so fucking hard.
It was interesting with all the 1980s fun facts but the story was so weak and the MC was so unlikeable…
I wonder if they're gonna make Love Interest thicccccc like she was in the book, I didn't bother looking up the character casting (NOT FAT THOUGH SHE WAS JUST REALLY CURVY BUT NOT FAT UNCONVENTIONAL BEAUTY OMG shes not like OTHER GURLS and shes NOT FAT ok shes CURVY) ugh Ready Player One made me want to vomit
No. 236202
>>236197Didn't read it but caught the trailer, and the shot of all the avatars running to battle made me fucking die. Just seeing OW Tracer and the Iron Giant together in the same scene felt like eating a month old stale Mcdonald's fry I found on the bottom of a car. I don't understand this obsession with constant references without substance.
I think I would enjoy the concept better if all the avatars and fantasy universe looked more like VRchat:
https://daveyjames.tumblr.com/post/171326713063/ No. 236203
>>236197Good lord, he wrote another book?
I was hoping The Martian would be a kind of one hit wonder, all things considered.
The Martian's saving grace was the premise and the fact that the MC was so distant from the rest of the characters, their blatant similarities might be easily forgiven.
>MC is basically the exact same character as the MC in the Martian except a hypersexualGood ol' Andy hasn't missed a beat, I see. I'm 90% certain he only knows how to write his own internal monologue, and any discernible difference in characters was all his editor's doing.
No. 236212
>>236207Yup, the actual "Martian" parts were fine for me, but the fact that everyone in NASA had essentially the same personality (in a very serious situation! a man was stranded on MARS!!) is what I meant by "same sense of humor".
>Also there's a mention of how pedophilia is technically legal on the Moon (the setting) because of "some cultures".Yikes
Everyone disparages literary talent as something boring and not profitable these days, but this is the result. Nothing is sacred, and the masses salivate on any vaguely interesting idea no matter how poorly executed it is.
No. 236214
>>236213i don’t hate it, but i never read it nor did i have any strong desire to do so.
had a good sardonic chuckle at how badly jk rowling fucked it up with the epilogue + the cursed child though.
No. 236218
Piers Anthony. Can't wait until that pedophile apologist fucking dies.
A couple of reviews for the unfamiliar:
http://www.anamardoll.com/2014/07/xanth-we-need-to-talk-about-piers.htmlhttps://www.avclub.com/revisiting-the-sad-misogynistic-fantasy-of-xanth-1798241312http://litreactor.com/columns/themes-of-pedophilia-in-the-works-of-piers-anthonyThis is a man who corresponded with convicted pedophiles in prison & said of one of them that his only crime was being attracted to small boys. Not, y'know, molesting them.
He wrote a story wherein a FIVE-YEAR-OLD has sex with an adult and when the adult is on trial the law is mentioned… and then the law is dismissed as being retarded. Also the child and adult are referred to constantly as lovers.
Child's name? Nymph. What the fuuuuuck
No. 236241
>>236213I loved it as a child but I’m sick to death of adults reading it and treating it like it’s a literary classic.
It’s a fuckin kids book. We had a lot of fun with it and some very good memories but let’s stop acting like JK Rowling is Gabriel Garcia Marquez or Noam Chomsky.
Catcher in the rye and the great Gatsby are shit. Main characters are goddamn dreary.
Chuck palahniuk is king of the edgelords (even though I too enjoy fight club)
I’m a judge prick and think that only stupid pretentious people read YA and supernatural romance. Read a decent book you fuck.
No. 236245
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>>236241>>236213Ah, yes, I fucking hate this cringe obsession with a children's book. Speaking of cringe, this is my cousin's WEDDING invitation. I hope neither one of them know this website exists.
No. 236265
>>236213It weirds me out whenever I see people near their thirties that still obsess over the series. I was a kid when the books started coming out, so reading them and going to see the movies on field trips was a part of my childhood, but my interest in the series completely vanished when Half-Blood Prince was published.
Last semester at Uni one of my classmates unironically asked our business professor what house he would be in at Hogwarts and ofc he had no clue what she was talking about.
No. 236288
>>236177I hate this fucking book so much. Another shit read in literature class was Great Expectations.
Apart from that, other fictional shit I hate is Star Wars (I'm sorry SW fans) and things like Steven Universe or Voltron (mainly bc of the fandoms but SU is so ugly, idk how anyone can stare at it for more than 5 minutes).
This thread is gonna be so dangerous for hurting peoples' feelings, but it feels nice to rant a bit.
No. 236291
I loved new BR, I respect Dune, have a soft spot for Harry Potter and I stan the saga about Ender hard, lol.
What I don't get is the hype for superhero movies. I feel like there's 10 new marvel flicks every year. I watch them sometimes on TV as a time waster or with a friend who's a fan, just to hang out together, and I can't even remember the plot. Like I've seen Thors, yeah sure, few times probably, but I don't even know what the movies were about. The same about Avengers, Iron Man… They're all the same and generic, and I almost immediately forget them after watching.
The only superhero shit I like is Jessica Jones, I guess because it's different, very much about her, not saving the world blah blah. And she's a girl. Damaged and troubled.
But yeah, fellow geek people shame me for not caring about Marvel all the time (I guess DC doesn't count because it's even more embarrassing to like them). I don't get it.
No. 236293
>>236213I loved the books as a kid/teenager and I enjoyed some of the movies but I feel like the rabbid fans and some of JK Rowling's statement as well as the drama surrounding her are making me care less and less about the franchise. It's definitely overrated though, no matter how good I think it is.
>>236291I liked the first few Marvel movies a lot because I like action movies in general but I don't really care about the movies now because everyone hypes them way too much (no way I'm going to watch Black Panther because I know that no matter how good it is I'll be disappointed because of how often the fans said good things about it) or you have to watch almost all the movies in the series before to fully enjoy them. I loved the first Avengers movie but at some point having to be up to date with way too many movies makes things less enjoyable.
>>236288>but SU is so uglyYou're right, it looks so ugly. I can't believe that so few people think so or say it, whether they like or dislike the show. It's even worse because of people being more and more inspired by this show for their art style.
No. 236316
>>236213>I just hate Harry Potter.Someone finally fucking says it. I read the books. I hated them, even as a pre-teen and a teenager. I simply didn't get the hype. J. K. Rowling isn't that spectacular of a writer, especially when it comes to characters. The "whimsical" aspect of the book was way too unimaginative and while I respect it for the effort I just found it to be not that enchanting as it took a lot of overused ideas from other fantasy fiction and didn't really invent anything that special. Harry was a Mary Sue character for sure and the rest of them were either tropes or just not that interesting. The whole plot felt like it was calculated by a formula for maximized marketing value. Like a team of ghost writers writing a book based on market research. And in retrospect it feels even more like that now when Rowling is spending her time on twitter coming up with new trendy tumblr-pandering labels to throw at her characters as a selling point now that she's washed her hands off the series.
I, with no exaggeration, can say that I simply don't understand adults who obsess over this franchise because everything about it is so childish. It wasn't clever, it wasn't inventive, it wasn't immersive. I have an easier job understanding adults liking fucking Sonic the Hedgehog or My little pony than Harry Potter because at least Sonic is an interactive video game and MLP has the excuse of being a cartoon made to sell toys. And I think those franchises are for autistic people too.
No. 236337
>>236326I'm
>>236289 and I definitely agree with this. The only reason I somewhat like it anymore was because I liked it as a kid. I know someone who was very sheltered growing up and wasn't allowed to read HP. Now she's about 26 and read all the books, goes to the theme park about twice a year, and shits herself over it in an embarrassing way. Like I'm honestly glad I got it all out of my system when I was 14.
No. 236502
>>236316Whew, I didn't expect such a response. Glad other people agree. Sometimes I feel like it's one of those things you aren't allowed to dislike because you'll be jumped on and attacked by fans.
>>236245This is AWFUL. I feel sorry for you if you end up going and have to endure that. Is her school or work on FB some shit about going to Le Hogwartz?
No. 236507
>>236501I don't understand it either.
On an embarrassing sidenote: I did one major in English literature and this girl in my graduating group presented her thesis project comparing Fate Stay to King Arthur and the round table.
I don't remember any of her points because they weren't well-articulated and none of us had a clue about Fate Stay, which she also failed to give a clear synopsis on. It's almost like she didn't know or couldn't name some of the characters if I recall?
They passed her though, I guess she put in the work and they didn't want to tell the spergish girl to pick a different topic on fear that she'd meltdown.
No. 236509
>>236241Agree with all that you said.
Friend and I were having a discussion about how reading is just a hobby like any other and that people are way too pretentious about it even if the shit they read isn’t particularly challenging, educational, or thought provoking.
She responds, “Well, I read GOOD books, like Harry Potter!”
Subject was promplty changed….
No. 236512
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I literally cannot stand this bullshit. I don't know if it's just because I'm the only one in my friend group (mostly artists) who wasn't into it when it was airing, or if fandom ruined it for me, but people go on and on about how innovative and amazing it was and I've given it about 20 tries and I just cannot get into it. There's some solid episodes and it's not necessarily even terrible, I just cannot stand it… I guess I actually can't stand the people who gush about how ~amazing~ it and Korra are. Get fucked, watch an anime, it's not that fucking special,
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>>236501I dislike most of the franchise because it's too close to a harem for comfort and the VN is literally porn, but Fate Zero is awesome, and much more palatable for a female audience. The main characters are mostly men but no shitty Shirou and the women aren't there just to be waifubait.
I can't blame you for not liking the designs or flashy fx, but I found it pretty easy to overlook for the good points.
No. 236538
>>236512i think korra is garbage but avatar is my fave show lmao, i think its different from anime, the storytelling and characters feels very american despite how 'asian-inspired' it is, you arent going to see an anime girl cause any real conflict and not tolerate certain bullshit. season 1 is episodic and sets up the plot and worldbuilding, season 2 is advancing plot and preparation for finale, season 3 is racing towards the end, bringing back things set up in earlier seasons and the finale.
getting through season 1 can be a chore so i dont blame you for giving up.
key season 1 episodes are 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 12, 13, 18, 19, 20
the rest are to introduce characters you see later except 11 which is pure filler and 14 which you only see the location again in the next episode. i encourage you try again with my watching guide and then if you enjoy it go back to get introduced to side characters.
it was innovative at the time and still kinda is as every childrens cartoon is episodic and has a status quo so it was refreshing and new and what kids cartoon shows the effects of WAR of all things? even steven universe which everyone drools over having a great plot returns to episodic bullshit that no invested watcher actually gives a fuck about. im not sure if there will ever be another 'avatar' type show again, i still consider it special and unique especially in western animated media.
i hope you enjoy my autistically long post and can give it another go and wont find it as bad as you do now, best of luck anon <3
No. 236613
>>236501Yeah I've had a lot of people recommend it to me but it just seems to be a nonsensical, hard-to-explain story built around waifupandering. While there's nothing inherently wrong with that, people make it seem way more complex and amazing than it probably is.
>>236512As an animu oldfag it's just Americans taking every plot point we've seen in anime since the 70's and regurgitating it for American audiences. But for western newfags it's inventive and fresh as hell so I get why it's popular but it seems basic as fuck children's cartoon to me.
No. 236620
Since I don't really read a lot of fiction, just bc video games are 10x more interesting, my only experience with a shit-tier book was The Scarlet Letter. I had to read it for AP english and it was so infuriating.
Honestly, I get it's a period piece and it's meant to have tons more symbolic meaning than actual story, but the MC pissed me the fuck off for being a stubborn bitch to literally everyone, and Pearl was such a little shit that it just made MC look even worse for raising her kid to be an animal. I'm sure some people may think that's the point, that she's rebelling against a society that treated her badly, but imo I haaate people who treat everyone like shit just because of some 'society is bad' edgy ideology. Yeah, I get it, you got fucked over, no need to be a dick and drop any sense of kindness to people who might genuinely care about you if you showed some humanity. Ruined the whole book for me and I hated talking about it in class.
No. 236664
>>236245Holy shit. Good luck, I hope the wedding ceremony won't be too cringe and unbearable for you. Speaking as someone who like Harry Potter overall but agree on some points with the anon who dislike it, I'd probably try to find a way to not go to her wedding.
>>236501I never watched it and the reason why I didn't watch it when the first season was airing was partly because of the fanbase treating the female characters like they're qt waifus and talking about the show like it's a literary masterpiece. It was cringey as fuck.
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This piece of shit. The story was almost non existent, the characters were bland, obnoxious, whiny cookie cutter 2deep4u teenagers who didn't give a crap about anyone but themselves because they were too high and mighty with their shitty philosophy (especially Augustus with his cigarette metaphor, fuck off out of here), the main character obsesses and revolves her life around a stupid book nobody cares about…UGH it makes me so mad to think about this book honestly, let alone hear people quote from it. It just reeks of pretentiousness, ever nook and cranny of the story and its god awful characters that aren't in any way likeable. So yeah, screw this book.
No. 236683
>>236326Speaking of Disney, the only movies I really enjoy are tangled and bolt. Moana was cute too, I guess, but even as someone who likes cute animals it was clear the sidekicks were forced into the plot.
Frozen is annoying af though, I feel like it only gets hype because it had two princesses. I don't buy it as a feminist movie either.
No. 236684
>>236680Thanks for confirming everything I thought, but never bothered to read.
John Green is such a lame, and everyone I've ever known who stanned him was trash.
No. 236714
>>236683Some guy in a chatgroup I was a part of got furious at me when I dared to mention that I thought Olaf was an annoying sidekick. Suddenly I was given a whole lecture on why Olaf's design was perfect for the movie, why he was the best sidekick a Disney movie have ever had and I was immature for not laughing at his humour.
Since I'm on Disney, I hate all the live action remakes they are doing. Especially The Beauty and the Beast. The Beast's design was awful.
No. 236718
>>236680I came here specifically to post this. The whole book reads like ~tragic~ OC fanfiction written by a 17 year old girl.
My ex was really into John Green and this book specifically. She stanned for him so hard because he is "so real" or some dumb shit like that.
I also have to agree with the anons talking about comic book movies, especially Deadpool.
My most hated one is Nightmare Before Christmas though. I still do not understand the appeal behind it. The songs are annoying and the characters just… annoy me to look at for some reason. In the same way that I can't stand looking or listening to Rick and Morty or Steven Universe. I've never been able to explain it. I just hate that movie and have since I was a kid.
No. 236723
>>236714Not to be mean, but is this guy autistic or something? Like of all the characters to defend… Fucking Olaf?
Also, agreed on the remakes. I can't believe they're redoing Lady and The Tramp. Cinderella is probably the only acceptable one because of the costume design and Lily James is pretty.
No. 236724
>>236714The only live action "remakes" I like are the 101 Dalmatians + the sequel, and that's because they're not really the same story; it's more about watching Glenn Close ham it up. I probably have a firm nostalgia filter on too.
Like
>>236723 said at least Cinderella has some merit from a costuming perspective, but Beauty and the Beast? Nope.
No. 236736
>>236213I liked and still like HP books, but I was never really obsessed. Even as a wee teen I realized those were good children's books, but nothing great in terms of writing in general. I see a lot of wasted potential in this series now, but I guess I might be a bit unfair here. My views on HP cooled a lot when HBP was published (it's the weakest book of the series IMO). Rowling should really give up on any post-canon bullshit, even her most dedicated fans aren't buying it anymore. I also seriously hate all of HP films.
I must admit though, I still really like discussing HP and reading fanfiction, just for nostalgia's sake.
Back on topic, I have this weird masochistic relationship with Stephen King's writing. I read a lot of his books, but I consider him a mediocre writer at best. He always starts pretty well, makes a nice characterization and builds up the suspense, and then, somewhere around the middle of the story, he just drops it all and the rest of the book turns to shit. It keeps happening and yet I keep reading him despite knowing he will ruin a nice interesting concept any moment now.
I also don't understand the hype for Gaiman. I read American Gods first somewhere in high school and I remember being just thoroughly disappointed. That was this new innovative book everyone kept talking about? Same about the rest. I liked Anansi Boys, but merely as a pleasant read, not some mind-bending stuff. I like his graphic novels, though.
Also, book version of The Godfather sucks balls and films are absolutely superior to it.
Tim Burton should take a break from making films, he lost what made him unique and turned his personal style into some cookie-cutter, easily marketable bullshit.
No. 236738
>>236687Motherfucking THIS. That movie is such an overhyped piece of shit and I can't believe so many people are head over heels defending it and praising it as a masterpiece, some going as far as calling it a feminist cornerstone. I don't want to go into depth about what a shitty movie it is because this post would be long enough to count as an university essay but holy shit, the character motivations are so retarded, the songs are so bland and stock (yes, even Let it go) and the "hurr true love" thing is so predictable and the life lesson about not trusting the first guy you come across is thrown out of the window when Anna clearly falls in love with the OTHER guy she barely knows. The characters really never learn anything, Anna gets her way through selfish choices and Elsa has no character growth save for the last moments of the third act. It really shows that the script was in development hell for years and got rewritten again and again until they wanted to make it a musical so they could milk more money out of a broadway show. It's such a mess yet it's STILL huge and STILL being pushed everywhere. What the FUCK.
I watched it when it came out and didn't get why some of my friends liked it so much. Then it blew up and you couldn't go anywhere without having to face some sort of critical praise for it. Disney must've paid every fucking critic on the planet because if you dared to question the movie, you got flooded with people hissing at you for not thinking it's the greatest Disney movie ever.
Sorry for my fit but I really, really hate this movie and the phenomenon it created. It's a top example of how you can create a hype around something mediocre artificially if you're big enough of a company.
>>236714The live-action movies are awful and we're not going to get rid of them for another decade. They're a brilliant move financially, Disney doesn't have to pay for royalties because they're remaking something from the public domain and the adult audiences will be drawn in because it's something they grew up with made "adult" and the kids will like them for the fairy-tale aspect. Get one or two big-name actors and there's your blockbuster hit for the year.
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This is not just overrated, it outright sucks. None of the characters feel like people, worldbuilding that makes so sense, and terrible writing with fantasy cliches on every page.
No. 236746
>>236738Oh man, don't get me started on the live action remakes of Disney classics. I think it shows everything wrong with how the movie industry can be currently - they're running out of fresh ideas, creativity, cashing in on stories that have already been made and don't need to be done again to look for a cheap, easy way to gain some money. Then they overuse CGI effects to compensate how bland and boring the characters are. I feel like most movies nowadays feel the need to have this huge, bombastic, dramatic quality to its scenes, if that makes sense, like everything has to be EPIC, the music loud and all that shit, and I'm getting so sick of it and the shitty Disney remakes use all these formulas and somehow get millions from dumb audiences. It doesn't matter what remake they're doing in the end, you're always going to be left disappointed, thinking the movie was just "meh", forget about it and move on. No one wants to make an impactful movie with effort. Disney just isn't what is used to be. You hear about a Disney remake every damn year and it got boring and old real fast. And nowadays the majority of huge movies are from comic books or novels, and just….please someone make something actually good and original lmao.
No. 236754
I'm a huge Harry Potter fan but I agree with most of the things said here. I can't stand JK Rowling, The Cursed Child book was pure shit and Fantastic Beasts was awful (and the next movies will probably also be shit)
>>236177Writers from le lost generation are all overrated
>>236680Never read it and will probably never do, I don't know why but every girl that I knew who loved this book had some kind of mental issue
No. 236762
>>236745I've never watched/read Game of Thrones, but everyone trying to make me watch it kept going on and on about how good and realistic it was because 'hurr it shows rape and violence durr'
If they actually showed rape, torture and all that other shit in a realistic way, neither they nor their fans would sleep at night. And in my opinion they shouldn't strive to either, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's where this trend is heading.
Whenever I see a new show being described as "even grittier than GoT" I just check out. I don't mind violence in fiction at all, but this whole "look how realistic we are for showing this" just makes it feel even more empty than if they had done it just for fun.
No. 236763
>>236762>>236745imo it was pretty good but daenerys was such a one sided annoying character that it kinda destroyed the show for me. I dont understand why everyone loves her.
Jon was also one miserable motherfucker.
No. 236767
>>236765I watched it up to season 5 I think and checked out. I got bored.
I feign ignorance when people talk to me about it and ask why I should watch it. Majority of people will say because of nudity and violence. Compelling
No. 236778
>>236194The chase between the husband and wife were really awesome for me but once it got to where she magically gets a job and a perfect boyfriend (and the minotaur fantasy ending), it was ruined. I kept expecting the new boyfriend to completely betray her or something, not this dumb retelling of the old minotaur maze tale. It's unfortunate. King has a lot of out-of-place sexist/objectifying undertones in his other works though so I think this one was a good outlet for that through the character of the husband, lmao.
>>236714>live action Beauty and the BeastGaston was too likeable. I hated him in the animated movie but preferred him over the Beast in the live action, because it seemed like he had leeway for Belle to change him for the better if she never met the Beast. That would be and interesting alternate story if made tragic by the death of the Beast or whatever.
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In response to violence and GoT:
I think Killing Stalking is insanely overrated for basically being torture porn.
On one hand you have the fetishizing tumblr crowd being like "buT THE ROMAAAAAAANCE UWU" and then the super hardcore "finally someone who doesn't glorify mlm relationships".
When the writing is shoddy, the art is decent at best and the characters are either insanely cliché and OP (Sangwoo being basically Batman without the good: handsome, rich, intelligent, built, charismatic, Bum as sMoL UkE bOi~).
The story is one big gorefest and I don't believe anyone who says it doesn't glorify abuse, because Bum doesn't stay with him out of fear but because it's obviously ~true wuv~ for him.
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>>236795Are you the same anon as
>>236794So salty I could cure meat with it
No. 236800
>>236797>>236797The thing is… it's just not good. I absolutely get your fascination (which was basically how I discovered it as well a year ago or so) but it's not at all well written. The whole first act with this girl in his basement and Bum breaking in was just so unbelievable it basically suspended common sense. And this comic prides itself on depicting anything but the typical BL relationship, but has backfired storywise so far into the other end of the scale that it's basically comical.
I'll admit the beginning was a big mindfuck in regards to the sudden twist from innocent crush to psych horror, but all through act 2 it just got worse and worse. Fanservice from a beleaguered author and the story deteriorating rapidly.
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>>236745Season 1 and 2 last episodes of season 3 we’re solid, rest is absolute rubbish. Can’t wait for it to end.
No. 236806
>>236793I am not interested in yaoi but I did read some of this.
In early chapters I thought it was decent in portraying a relationship between a socially maladjusted stockholm syndrome victim and a manipulative crazy psychopath but as it went on it became clear that the plot is going nowhere and that it's supposed to be a pandering, fap material.
It really sickens me that author decided to romanticize and sexualize extreme abusive relationships. They are probably going to turn it into a ~tragic romance~ if it hasn't been turned into it already.
What bothers me even more is dumb fujoshis posting "POOR BABIES THEY DESERVE TO BE EACH OTHER; THEY ARE SOULMATES!!"
Like what the fuck you bitches?? What is wrong with all of you? That psychopath deserves to be burned at a stake and the stockholm syndrome victim needs some serious psychiatric help.
Few weeks ago I saw someone reblogging a Christmas special chapter- barf.
(Also couldn't help to notice that the main characters' designs are basically rip-off of popular Attack on Titan characters' designs - forgot all of their names lol)
No. 236810
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>>236745Loved the books but I completely dropped the tv show
>>236763>I dont understand why everyone loves herMe neither tbh
>>236793kek, oh shit. OK, I know it's bad but for some reason I used to be hooked, and I found it to be really entertaining. I stopped reading it tho, I need to get back to it.
>>236797Speaking about Harley Quinn and the Joker, pic related was a shitfest
Is Black Mirror a good serie?
No. 236811
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>>236806Now that you say it…
No. 236813
>>236806All of this.
You pretty much summarized all of my feelings about K/S. It looked really promising, but similarly to Starfighter shot itself into bad porn hell by making all the wrong choices.
Starfighter started out as a comic trying to make fun of all the bad BL clichés but then fanbase and author ego took over and now the MCs completely dysfunctional and dubcon relationship is being fetishized into all heaven. Disgusting.
No. 236816
>>236814Well the series' huge fujoshi fanbase surely does not.
It's still awful.
No. 236819
>>236816I'm sure most of the fujos reading Killing Stalking can understand that the relationship depicted in it shouldn't carry over into reality. If they can't, then the problem is them being too immature to consume the media, rather than the media being 'awful' just for depicting something morally questionable.
I don't think K/S is particularly good; it was pretty exciting as a thriller at first and I think the author does know how to portray the occasional tense scene, but overall the plot is dragging majorly. However, those are criticisms about competence, not moral policing.
No. 236822
>>236812Close enough but I'm a baguette who made a typo
>>236817Yeah, never really got that whole "don't romanticize fucked up things" in fiction… because it's fucking fiction.
>>236816>the series' huge fujoshi fanbase surely does notIf they can't distinguish fiction from reality, that means they are mentally unstable. People who are underage or mentally ill shouldn't have access to +18 media
No. 236823
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>>236819>>236822I mean… that was 5 seconds into the tag….
No. 236824
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Okay, but let's talk about the shitty ass art. Dude's LACKING A FUCKING EYE.
No. 236827
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Picture in question sure looks a lot like a fetish to me. Crossdressing + erotic asphyxiation.
No. 236830
I feel pretty divided about romanticized depictions of abuse and other shit. I mean, aren't there tons of studies showing that imagery in pornography causes people (or men, since I don't recall if the studies used women) to harbor more sexually violent thoughts? Porn is pretty fictionalized but people take it for reality. In a bubble, consuming violent media shouldn't be a problem, but a lot of people genuinely take fiction at face value and can't separate it from reality.
But I guess unless K/S's fandom overlaps with serial killer fandom, it's probably harmless when they just fap over 2D fujobait.
>>236824Dead ass thought he had a disfiguring scar across his face from the thumbnail, until I realized that was a guy's ear. Poor panelling.
No. 236832
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Superhero films.
I feel like this isn't even an unpopular opinion, but superhero films just keep coming out and making shit tons of money, so idek. How many more of these boring snooze-fests are gonna have to come out in a row for people to get sick of them? Adults in my age group seem to care about these films so much ffs, theyre for children! I haven't seen a single superhero movie in the past 5 years that hasnt been shit tier.
No. 236833
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I saw this page from Ready Player One being posted around 4chan and jfc…
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>>236833This is also from the same book and it sounds like a fucking Onision religion rant video
No. 236840
>>236832>WW's first 1/3rd in the Amazonian civilization was fun as fuck>last third is CG wompfest featuring an awkward mustached British guy as the Greek War of GodSuperhero films usually have fun premises and buildup, but then the last third is always fucking garbage where it's 90% fighting with no weight and it's just shit.
>>236833>>236836Where's that "Ode to Nerd Girls" poem the author wrote where he's basically saying he's an elite mind because he's into librarian or school girl porn.
No. 236842
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>>236838i can barely parse this, it just reads like a fevered list of pop culture references. jfc this is fucking bad
No. 236846
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>>236838oh wait, it's not the last one
No. 236847
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>>236840Found it.
>Cline spent the next few years working in a cubicle doing IT, winning Austin Poetry Slams with tracks like "Nerd Porn Auteur" ("These vacuum-headed fuck bunnies don't turn me on"), and waiting for the release of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace.>won a poetry slam contest with this No. 236852
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>>236847>"I don't wanna watch this misogynist he-man woman-hater porn">"these vacuum-headed fuck bunnies don't turn me on"for fucks sake
No. 236855
>>236796What? No, I was just trying to sympathize with
>>236781 because having to watch a show you aren't interested in sucks. I don't even like the HBO show, but the books were okay enough for me to read them up to the most recent.
No. 236870
>>236745I really enjoy the books as a fun fantasy read but they’re not that great. GGRM
did a solid job but he’s not a hero for depicting rape and violence as consequences of war and he’s hardly gone and outdone Tolkien despite a lot of world building and lore.
He’s also terrible with distances, realistic travel times, sizes, overly long fighting sequences (seriously, Jaime and Brienne would not have fought for more than a few minutes, the viper and mountains fight was stupid and insanely out of character for a fighter like book-Oberyn, and children do not thrive through trauma like all of the Stark and Targaryen kids do.
He’s great at scene setting and some of his characters are great, fleshed out, and compelling but then others are y’know..Arya/Cat/Everyone at the wall except Jon and Sam.
No. 236879
>>236873Paper towns is nerd sex ending.
Alaska becomes an hero and everyone decides to solve her shitty mystery suicide note instead of acting like humans would. The mystery is that she’s a shitty person and wants everyone to notice her. The edgiest edgelady and so much weird focus on cigarettes a la fault in our stars. Cigarettes as metaphors for edge and boring pixie dream girls.
No. 236882
>>236880Horribly similar.
Suicide as a romantic means of getting back at the big mean world that just doesn’t get you. She is poor at a fancy school and smokes so she is just too different and alienated to live. The main character is in love with her because of course he is.
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Ex-Machina was a dissapointment to me, I really like the concept of the conflict human-machine and all that existensialism stuff about what makes a human "be human". But that didn't offer anything new to the typical sci-fy script, extremely predictable with insuferable main characters,good photography and some nice views but nothing else.
Then I tried to give a shot with anihilation and happen exactly the same but worse, even worse characters, predictable "twist" and trying to hard to be deep and interesting, also every person that I tell that I personally don't find any of both as good movies, the first response in BOTH cases that I heard from them is "You didn't understand it" "2deep4you", both are pretencious pieces of fictional crap, it's not hard to get how overrated they are, and also makes me think that the director has a weird fetish with Natalie Portman face.
No. 236896
>>236832>>236840>CG wompfestsThis is why I get bored of superhero movies, especially Wonderwoman and Black Panther.
I LOVE the world-building that starts at the beginning. Love the character narratives.
Then of course, about halfway into the movie the producers have to rev up their retarded ass CG fight scenes that just drag on forever. Takes me out of the world completely because it all looks like bullshit. None of them ever fight like how humans fight–be that enemies or heroes–either.
Fans always jizz themselves over the fight scenes though, no matter how stupid or overdone.
No. 236899
>>236894Annihilation… Overrated? I don't even think it's made back its budget (but I guess that doesn't matter cause of the Netflix deal), and reviews are lukewarm or mixed, even with critics. The "2deep4u" argument is bullshit, though.
>anytime someone says they don't like the Monogatari series>"you just don't get philosophy, man">entire series is tits and ass and distracting fanservice and slideshows>>236895Maybe it's cause I read the trilogy after watching the movie, but I think it's a good translation of the themes and world, but not a good or accurate adaption of the story. The tower and the lighthouse keeper seem like they would be really hard to depict in live action and CG without disappointing or not living up to the hype built up in the books. Plus the CGI was already stretching thin, so those two elements would've really looked bad, imo.
>>236896BP's car chase scene was pretty much the only CG fight I was really down with amongst all the superhero films I've seen. Maybe that's just cause cars look good on the screen and my love for Vince Staples talking, though.
No. 236910
>>236806>>236793While I do think KS is overrated and the fandom is pure garbage I think you've misunderstood the series. The author has said that it's not a romantic story and I never got the vibe that it's supposed to be either. It's a thriller about two mentally insane people in a messed up situation. The story made it pretty obvious that Yoonbum's perversion towards Sangwoo is caused by lifelong abuse and the time Sangwoo saved him from a rape attempt during their military service. He has a sick obsession towards him, and that's why he breaks into his home. It's not uncanny, there are a million cases of seriously disturbed people doing that with the people they're obsessing over. Sangwoo is just as nuts and he uses Yoonbum as a dumping ground for his frustration and twisted desires, because he has to keep up a facade outside of his home. They're not in love, they're not supposed to be seen to be in love. Their few sex scenes are uncomfortable and painful both physically and mentally. It's not a uwu cute edgy yaoi uwu but a horror story. The shitty horny fandom just forces that narrative because they barely read the goddamn comic.
However I do think KS has a subpar execution because it gets insanely repetitive and overuses the false scares and other mundane horror cliches a million times to the point it becomes annoying and frustrating. The police force is shown to be extremely incompetent and full of idiots which really bothers me. I kept reading further in vain hopes of it maybe going somewhere and getting better but nah, it gets old really fast.
No. 236922
>>236910Couldn't have said it better myself - I can't understand for the life of me why people would ship the two characters together except for wanting to see two guys fuck. That's the thing about fujoshis and horny teen girls, they don't give a shit about the story, they just look for a series that has two attractive guys to ship and write smut fanfics about, and they happened to latch onto a story where they miss the entire point of the guys' messed up relationship just for the sake of fulfilling their fujoshi fantasy. KS is an interesting story to discuss because of the toxic and abusive dynamic between Sangwoo and Yoonbum, the nature of blind obsession and stockholm syndrome, and why exactly the characters behave like they do, the desires they hold, and how that bleeds into their relationship in such an unhealthy and disturbing way….but of course uwu so cute two guys together uwu. The fans wanting cute and sweet scenes between them are completely missing the point.
I read the story too when I was bored and curious, and yeah at first it was very intense and interesting but it got too repetitive and shock-value like and frankly a little disturbing to read when I got up to the flashback scene where Yoonbum gets raped by his uncle.
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>>236899>anytime someone says they don't like the Monogatari series>"you just don't get philosophy, man">entire series is tits and ass and distracting fanservice and slideshowsomfg this
I remember browsing /a/ when Monogatari came out, everyone was trying to defend it as some kind of a deep, social commentary anime while that shit is just another harem - just a bit more modern one with not-so-typical animation style.
Main character is a nerd self-insert who has pedo tendencies and also wants to fuck his sister. He solves all of the female character's problems and they all are attracted to him, even the lesbian character.
And as much as monogatari fans tend to shout how deep and special the plot is, all they ever discuss is tits, asses, lolicon and incest.
No. 236967
>>236910I'm the OP of the earliest post and I don't see how we disagree. I don't think it's portraying it as a cute lovestory.
My problem with it is that it's just plain bad. Badly written, badly drawn and not as half as imaginative as it sells itself as. A lot of the plot twists are taken from early 2000s horror movies and are downright cheap. And the sex scenes are just a little too suspense-of-belief for me to swallow them even with the "two psychotic characters who don't fit together" deal.
About the glorifying abuse: I think it started off in a good place, as everyone here has agreed at, but slowly spiraled into some kind of "tragic star-crossed lovers who can never get away from each other". It COULD be realistic, after all there are many abused partners who stay with their abusive SO, but the whole story is just too fantastical to portray what it prides itself on: a gritty, potentially realistic story of a toxic relationship.
It's not.
Instead it's completely and insanely (lol) OTT and the characters behave so… weirdly, for a lack of another word. It's ceased to be compelling after the first two, three chapters.
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I find Death Note to be overrated, probably the most overrated anime.
>Nice plot
>Story starts good and strong
>L dies
>Everything goes to shit
No. 237045
>>237038I loved Death Note but holy shit it went down the drain HARD after
L died. It was like watching a completely different show after that. And a bad one at that.
No. 237059
>>237038Death Note definitely had an unique premise, but Light's overpoweredness definitely spoiled it for me. That was the time of godmods in anime/manga and it's so obvious in Death Note. It has some symbolism but is so cliché and executed so literally that his character becomes somewhat hollow.
Also, Mello and Near were basically bad clones of L with some stereotypes to boot.
No. 237111
>>236934MC's best friend
is presented as a white male through the book (due to characters using avatars) and at the end is revealed to be a gay black woman. However it's done so poorly and the writing is honestly atrocious. Examples of his cringe niceguy writing is up above.
MC's love interest
avoids sending photos of herself to MC. Eventually he meets her IRL and she looks just like her avatar…. but she has super spesh vitiligo. Tumblr trait numero uno. He's just a fucking hack lol
No. 237129
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I'm so mad WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO TOKYO GHOUL. hOW many times is kaneki going to change his personality?? How many times is he gonna die to be considered ENOUGH?? I'M tired. Last time I checked he was again with white hair looking like a clueless smol cute uwu BITCH, god I hate him, I hate Ishida for fucking everything up. He has been milking that story for way too long and now. It's time to stop
No. 237179
>>237041Personally I did like Kimi no Na Wa, it was cute, but in comparison to Shinkai's other works it really was kind of boring.
>>237129I agree, I loved the beginning of the story but both the anime and the manga went to shit. The story should've ended with Kaneki dying, RE is nothing but a cash cow
No. 237208
>>237198>It's been a while since I got into new shonen manga but isn't that a big problem mostly for the series published in the Shonen Jump? Yeah, most of them get like that. IMO the worst are sports series because they drag out matches/races for ages. Haikyuu is going to be 30 volumes soon and Yowamushi Pedal runs in another shonen mag and it’s already 54 volumes long!
Shonen Jump has been canceling a lot of newer series, too. The only recent ones I can think of that have managed to outlast their intro periods are Promised Neverland and Kimetsu no Yaiba.
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I liked this show when it was on, but I feel like as the seasons when on it got more and more sillier and overrated. They didn't even explain how Sherlock survived his fake suicide, and there was just a lot of lazy writing and stupid plots and boring scenes. The fanbase was so fucking trash and legitimately insane too, so much entitlement and embarrassment, and the Johnlock shippers just ruined everything for me in the end, especially when they were REEEEing that they didn't get to see john and sherlock fuck in the season finale and calling the writers ""homophobic"" lmao.
No. 237245
>>237214h bomberguy did a really great video on why it became so terrible. I'm not a fan of the series and also thought it was overrated, but his breakdown of all 4 series was really good.
>>237218How did the fanbase force the writers to change the story? from the sounds of it the writers ran out of ideas. I know many fanbases are toxic but its hardly their fault the series went to shit. I also dont understand the fascination with the lizard king benedict cucumbersnatch, there are some thirsty hoes out there.
No. 237469
>>236501Speaking as a Fate fan, yeah, it's pretty generic and Nasuverse as a whole is pretty much powerleveling and waifupandering. I personally find the characters compelling though, which might not ring true to others so you won't stick through for characterizations/waifus/husbandos. I mean, King Arthur is a woman. No matter the explanation they gave, Saber is a woman to make it easier to get a romance plot. The writers themselves say Fate was always supposed to be a boy meets girl story and Fate Zero (and maybe FSF, which i haven't read yet) is an outlier to the formula. Even Fate/Extra and Fate Grand Order (to some extent) are like this.
tl;dr Fate is for waifufags like myself, Zero being an exception you won't see often. Unless you're already neck deep into weeb culture the appeal of Fate will be next to none.
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I remember people having this whole discussion about Killing Stalking a few weeks ago here.
I present you with: someone who romanticizes it. Fucking starcrossed lovers fetishists.
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>>236745George R. R. Martin cannot write women. And I’m so fucking sick of everyone quoting his flippant reply to a stupid question
> how do you write good female characters?
> You know I've always considered women to be peopleWow. Amazing. Revolutionary. If only that’s what authors of the past needed to be able to write good female characters. If he hasn’t explicitly stated it, you’d have never known.
The only main female character to not be raped or abused is Arya, the most masculine coded who takes on male coded activities and even fucking dresses as a boy for a period of time. Every female character to show an interest in female things is fucking broken and destroyed until she is “strong” aka acts like a man. Sansa likes fashion and sewing? Best get her raped till she comes back a shell of a woman. Her little sister likes sword fighting? She’ll be untouched and will come back to lecture Sansa about her choices. Danny wants to be a mother? Nope, fuck that. She has to lose her baby and rapist husband and refer to herself as a Dragon Mother, while displaying absolutely no maternal instincts and locking her symbolic children away for a good chunk of time. Cersei has long beautiful hair and dresses? Give her a short hair cut and dress her in black, after she’s raped by her twin and paraded around down town. The only real motherly presence and she’s demonized for it, loses her kids, and can’t be in a position of power by herself without looking stupid.
Martin’s way of writing women is to fucking crush them and remold them into male-coded characters because that’s what he views as strong, except his tomboy pet who started out that way and is glorified for it and gets super speshul powers from a man.
So progressive.
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>>240790>Cersei has long beautiful hair and dresses? Give her a short hair cut and dress her in black, after she’s raped by her twin and paraded around down town.In the book she also gets super fat, she's described as gaining so much weight that she can't fit into her beautiful dresses anymore. They skipped this on TV for obvious reasons (male viewers want hot women, no way you could have a fat main character in their war and rape fantasy show) you'd think that because he's a chunkster himself, martin would be more contentious of avoiding the "punish someone by making them fat/fat=bad trope" but newp he's totally disconnected.
I know that's a small nitpick and there's so many other bigger problems but it's one that's always bothered me.
No. 240794
>>240790Not that it makes GRRM any better, but Sansa's not raped in the books, just (I use 'just' lightly) threatened to be. Her storyline in the show is merged with a minor character's, but I get you if you consider this change to be GRRM's if he approved the creative decision. The directors of the show are as bad for not even bothering to work on the books' faults and add dumb shit like a 10 minute brothel scene and other tits in places they shouldn't be.
And I hate how male oriented the fanbase is, to the point they demonize everything about Sansa just because she's not Arya. It gives me flashbacks to Breaking Bad and how the fanbase treated Skyler just cause she wasn't down for her husband becoming a meth manufacturer.
No. 240795
>>240793>punish someone by making them fat/fat=bad tropeWell remember, being fat is only bad if you're a fat woman.
Men get to be whatever the fuck they want to be, which is why that obese underachiever can be a lazy writer and also not have to defend his image 24/7.
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>>240790im not really sure what youre talking about. first off, thats the tv show that is
slightly cough adjusted for mainstream purposes. second, while still mediocre this is more that female characters get instead of being just the pretty accessory waiting for her prince to save her.
ever heard of the bechdel test?
No. 240810
>>240798It’s been a long time since I read the books and afaik Martin had a lot of creative control over the show.
And yeah let’s all clap for the male author who wrote female characters slightly better than we are used too. Whoo let’s hold him up as the standard of how to write women! /s
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>>240810oh my gosh THANK YOU for this! mte I was cringing when certain outlets were praising him for "writing women so well" because yeah-man certainly knows exactly how women and especially teenage girls feel, same guy whos obsessed with his 14yr old protagonists breasts that he had to add in how they move and feel because thats not totally creepy, or how she falls for her rapist (yeah I know im gonna get slack for that but that is what happens in the first book) thats
totes great female representation!
No. 240844
>>240828I advise anyone who is on the fence about GRRM to read or skim fevre Dream
>tons of unnecessary racism e.g drops the n-word a few thousand times plus unpleasant/unfavorable descriptions-b-but it's accurate to the time period!!!
>it's about vampires>awful sexist descriptions of womenI think he was around 30 when he wrote it, he seemed like a real incel type
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>>240793She doesn’t get super fat, and it’s not a reaction to the rape. She gains like fifteen pounds because she’s aging and drinks way too much wine, Cersei losing her most utilised weapons ie her beauty and family’s power is like, the leading reason she starts going a bit mad and puts in place sloppier plans and burns everything.
There’s so much to legitimately criticise and you managed to reach far enough to find some fat victimisation bullshit.
No. 240913
>>236164"Women" do not "rule" their society, the Bene Gesserit manipulate them. All of the outsmarting is done by Paul Atreides, who is literally the only man with access to Bene Gesserit skills, and is the end result of thousands of years of eugenics.
There is no "morality" in these books, the Bene Gesserit literally ally themselves with space incels called Bene Tleilaxu(their rivals) to fend off an invasion of a violent matriarchal empire.
No. 240917
>>240790Both Sansa and Arya got beat by Meryn. His misogyny is the reason why he dies. Arya gets beat by multiple men during the show.
Arya is the most masculine coded? She doesn't enjoy sewing, wow. she definitely portrays "feminine" behaviour multiple times in the show, for example when she and Sansa have their spat in Season 1, on top of that in Season 4 almost every dialogue with The Hound - where she's the voice of empathy.
Joffrey is a huge misogynist during the show, which bites him back in the end badly - they even call it a "womans weapon". The female murderer gets away with it through being cunning. If you had paid attention to the show, you'd have noticed that the characters that act cruel and misogynistic ALWAYS die in the end directly due to it. Meryn, Joffrey, and Ramsay are prime examples of it.
No. 240936
>>236164that's a really weird take on Dune, and very inaccurate. I hope no-one allows themselves to be dissuaded from reading it by your misrepresentation and projection.
meanwhile, Lord of the Rings and Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series are awful, bland, overblown, trite bullshit. I will never understand how they got popular.
Also, a bit obvious, but Stephen King is a decent writer who turns out some really woeful shit for the majority of his career.
sorry I can't contribute anything to the GoT discussion, I never had the slightest interest in it - it seemed like it was Too Edgy, The Show.
No. 240952
>>240936>Lord of the Rings>awful, bland, overblown, triteJeeeeeeeeeesus. How wrong could you get?
>never understood how they got popularEvidently, because some people and scholars didn't think it was awful, trite shite.
No. 240973
>>240946I forgot to mention that my last paragraph is talking about the latter books. Bene Tleilaxu appear later in the books.
Fremen are literally based upon Arabs and are a warrior society, ofc they are going to patriarchal af.
You are essentially asking the details of how their powers work, and the exact limits of their powers, which is of course impossible. It is clear from the books that they are as "hypercompetent" as an covert agency today.
As to why the Bene Gesserit don't take direct control, they have very clear reasons for it. They fear abuse of their powers, and distraction from their goal which is create a Kwistaz Haderach which they can control. They also fear defeat; Bene Gesserit methods are not infallible.
No. 241001
>>240952>>240976Speaking of LOTR, what do you guys think of Tolkien's works?
To me The Hobbit/LOTR are the best works of fiction ever written. Never read The Silmarillion though
No. 241170
>>237148I couldn't get over the blatant sexism in Death Note. It's too recent of a manga to excuse it due to age…even female characters in harem mangas have more motivations and life than the female characters in Death Note.
Also, the memory arc was executed horribly and was super unrealistic. Overall, the plot felt too calculated for my taste.
>>240794Breaking Bad is overhyped as fuck. When asked about the blatant hate for Skyler, the writers held their hands up and acted like they didn't see that coming. Sure.
No. 241184
>>241172> all the characters were basically just plot points to show us how self absorbed light wasI'm not sure if you're referring to all characters and just the female characters
But if you're referring to only female characters, I feel like there was a more elegant way of achieving that same goal than relying on overused tropes that portray women a certain way. To have every female character's motivation essentially be to love a man (with the exception of the shinigami, but even so, her motivation was still love) seems like the result of sexism and lazy writing to me. It was noticeable enough to me to be distracting. And it wasn't just Misa, it was Naomi, Rem, Shiori, etc.
I mean, I listed other reasons I don't like the series (that haven't already been mentioned in this thread). I didn't anticipate people caring so much about the casual sexism I think is present in the series. Sure, part of it is because everything is centered around Light in an overdone way, and I wasn't saying it's not used for the sake of anything else in the series.
No. 241185
>>241184i'm talking about
all the characters. every one of them became blithering retards cause of light until near, but that only seemed to be the case so the series could end. i don't think any of the characters, male or female were good or acted on their own volition at all.
No. 241212
>>236501I love FSN, but the anime adaptions (except for zero) aren't that good and we still don't have a proper adaption of the whole VN. I love the VN and it's characters but it's long as fuck and info-dumpy. The plots not amazing but the characters are all pretty easy to get attached to and I liked the way it was structured and how it explored it's themes. You might be put off by the sex scenes too, though they're a really small part and Realta Nua gets rid of them. I personally don't care for the extended universe of F/GO and prisma illya and all that other shit at all, they're just milking it.
>>237469Actually, the original concept for FSN was a light novel with a female protagonist where Saber would be a dude, but they shelved that when they decided to make a VN because it's hard to sell a non eroge VN and they weren't as big as they are now.
No. 241214
>>236514>and the women aren't there just to be waifubaitI love zero but the way Urobuchi writes the female characters in Zero and many of his other works is honestly pretty, I hate to say the word sexist but pretty much that. They're mostly weak, fragile women who live entirely for the men they love, and get nothing but suffering and dying horribly to cause grief for their male companions. The only powerful female in zero was Saber and zero is all about beating Saber down. The closest a female got to being a master was that mage's wife, who was literally just a plot device.
Nasu has his own sexist quirks and likes to write about poor fragile victimized girls but at least they learn to overcome it and get happy endings, and can be genuinely powerful in his setting.
No. 241224
>>241171The whole book is supposed to have a mythological and poetic feel to it, and hint at a deeper and richer lore than we ever get to actually see. A lot of poetry has very superfluous descriptions.
I can see why people don't like it but I quite enjoyed it. I think it's just something you'll either love or hate.
No. 241245
>>240790I stopped reading when you started bitching about Arya being "masculine coded."
She's a small prebubescent girl who's forced to abandon her female identity entirely to avoid rape and murder, basically. Because, believe it or not, shit like that tends to happen to women and girls when riots occur, because tribalism and patriarchy are awful. It happens all at once and she also loses her teacher, one of the only men who didn't tell her that girls shouldn't use swords, in a matter of minutes. After she watches her father be murdered.
I understand to people like yourself with no grasp of history beyond the sanitized white American suburh you live in, but stop trying to make everything PC.
A medieval inspired setting full of tribalistic peoples who live in feudal kingdoms isn't "progressive" enough for you? Fuck off. Dragons might not be real but many women still live in similar situations conditions, and some have to make similar choices to Arya's. "The Breadwinner" touches on this.
No. 241275
>>241245Stop sperging, Jesus Christ. You don’t know my history knowledge or even if I’m American.
She was masculine coded before any of the major events took place: short hair, sword fighting, male friends, bonded with brother,
Refused to do traditionally woman activities like sewing or embroidery, etc.
Im not sorry I dared be critical of your precious
fictional fantasy book series. Get over it. There’s no need to be so offended over my opinion.
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>>241245Wow anon, why so personal?
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A Tree Grows In Brooklyn. I hated this shit when I was forced to read it TWICE, once for middle school, once for high school. Francie is an insufferable, annoying brat and I hated her. I never sympathized with her. The book is so fucking boring. One of my favorite parts
>francie meets stranger soldier guy who has a fiance
>she's delusional enough to think she loves him after knowing him for 2 days
>he wants to fuck her and she says no
>asks mom what she should've done
>mom says some shit like it would've been beautiful, she won't get that chance at that type of love (?? wtf he wanted an easy lay, he faked being in love with her and was taking advantage of her)
>francie cries
Francie's character was just awful. And I hated the pseudo-deep tree metaphor and Francie with her edgy "can't trust women ever again because women are vicious!!" shit.
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>>236162hehe, it's dry. got it. It's dry because of all the sand.
No. 245159
>>236288I love Star Wars and Voltron, but both have pretty shit fandoms. The Star Wars fandom has always been bitchy, but since the Disney buyout, it's gone full on asshole mode. You can't even discuss the older (now non-canon) work without someone screeching NOT CANON over and over again. And Voltron is a total cesspit of a fandom. I pray every day to be set free from this fandom, yet I never am.
Agreed on Steven Universe being ugly as fuck too. It has some of the ugliest character designs I've had the displeasure of looking at. And those gross lips are being slapped all over fan art now. I saw someone post a webm of it on /ic/ a few days ago, talking about how it's trying to save 2D western animation. the animation was so dull and lifeless, with no weight. If that's saving 2D in the west, then 2D deserves to die.
This is more of a general media complaint, but I am so tired of the overuse of sex and nudity in tv shows now. Yes, we get it, you're "adult" tv. Now stop shoving in pointless sex scenes like you're a bunch of horny 13 year old boys.
No. 245504
>>245449Stephen king is one of those writers I read over and over again without ever being satisfied. I love the feel of his work but his endings are so bad and there’s so frequently gross or ineccessary sex and scat humour that it feels juvenile at times.
He’s this wellspring of ideas and great intentions but idk..somewhere his executions crumbles a little.
Tbh horror is so overstuffed with crap authors that a lot of Stephen kings merit seems to ca me from the fact that he’s at least original and not entirely mediocre.
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Probably the first post about video games in this thread.
Fuck battle royales. It's pretty much nothing but a teenage-infested hell-hole where there's large patches of NOTHING. And when you do find someone, you'll either kill them and pretty much wreck everyone else, or they get the drop on you and you die 'cause you can't see them in time. There's also the fact that two of them (PUBG and Fortnite) get constantly praised to hell and back, while other games that deserve better get left in the dust.
One last thing: PUBG is still a fucking broken mess, despite not being in early access anymore. It also still uses store-brought assets. C'mon, Bluehole, it's not going to eat up your TERAbucks/PUBGbucks to develop original assets.
No. 245581
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Hang me on a noose if you have to, but I find the entire Danganronpa franchise to be a giant ball of confusing, identity searching, cliche-filled anime bollocks that gets too much praise, and comes with an absolutely awful fanbase to boot. I'll say this, though: The artstyle is great.
Probably the only positive thing I have to say about it, though. Even then, the
non-Monokuma main villain in 3 looks like someone's shitty OC.
No. 245585
>>245581I loved the first game but couldn't finish the second one when I saw that
Junko was involved in all of this somehow in chapter 3 and when I saw after this that if you didn't read a novel that's not available outside of Japan you won't understand everything that's happening. I really dislike it when it happens in series in general, and especially in video games when I expect each entry to be self-contained. I got the 3rd game on sales and didn't even start it so no spoilers please but I've been told it's not related to the first two games and the despair girls spinoff so I have higher expectations for this one. I hope I'm not wrong.
> comes with an absolutely awful fanbase to boot.The fanbase almost turned me off the first game when they wouldn't stop posting untagged spoilers before the game's official release in English, I hate this fandom so much.
No. 245596
>>245590I played some mainline SMT games as well as DDS, P2IS and Soul Hackers after playing P3P and P4G and Persona starting from 3 doesn't even compare. I still love P3P more than P4G and all that. People praise the social link feature but I think that and the calendar system make the games more boring than they could be. There's also the fact that the stories always start with really interesting plots and characters and at some point it becomes so slow and boring until the very end. I wish I could play P2EP on my
PSVita but I'm in Europe…
No. 245599
>>245596100% agreed! P3 and P4 weren't as good as any of the other SMT games on PS2, shame that they were the ones that blew up. Did like the Answer in P3FES despite the difficulty though and yeah, I think Shinji's social link alone made p3p better than p4g.
>I wish I could play P2EP on my PSVita but I'm in Europe…You mean the psp version or the ps1 verion? You could play both with the Adrenaline emulator, I have. Runs extremely smooth, but the psp version is only in Japanese right now ;-;
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>>245599I thought about doing that but that was when my previous laptop couldn't even run paint correctly. I'll think about it, my new laptop might be able to handle an emulator and a PS1 game.
I only played P3P, not P3FES so I can't say much about The Answer, just that the story doesn't really appeal to me. But if it doesn't have social links and the goddamn calendar it should be better than the main quest/story (which I loved but it could have been better). Also yeah, Shinji's social was totally worth it. That and the side quests with Theodore. Literally the best boys of P3.
P4 and P4G are a bigger case of "it could have been so good" for me than P3. It has much more to do with the story than gameplay because I already expected the social links and the calendar when I started P4G. The story could have been full of suspens and mystery with interesting character arcs and it's only like than for the first few hours and the game barely acknowledges that Teddy is a bit weird, even for a shadow, and even creepy in insight
we still don't know if his human form has internal organs iirc and the facts that
Adachi and Yosuke have so much in common, that Yosuke was going to be the serial killer when the story was still in development and that the similarities between the two aren't even mentioned in-game is are so frustrating. They gave what could have been a satisfying backstory for Teddy to
fucking Marie of all characters. And you can't even date Yosuke, what the fuck Atlus, he's so less unbearable than the female characters, what are you doing.
I'm complaining but I spent like 150h on this game, I still like it. No. 245615
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>>245611ohmygodyourspoilersmakeitsohardtoreadThe Answer is a fucking shitshow. They did that after P3P racked in that sweet dolla dolla bux and decided to cash in on it while it was still hot. I agree with you about Shinjiro, though, although I'm still bitter everyone's sleeping on Akihiko, when he could have been so much more than that awkward boxer dude. He has a really intricate backstory with his sister and all, and they mention it like, twice, and don't built him up beyond the "shy, tsundere boxer who gets pushed around by Mitsuru and apparently has Tourettes with his random bouts of shouting".
P4 is a whole other can of worms, honestly… I agree that it started out fantastically, with the first death and the one hanging from the pole in the fog I was super intrigued, but it just kind of… dissolved. Except maybe Nanako and Adachi, every character was just an amalgamation of tropes .
>Yosuke the buffoony comic relief>Chie the tsundere tomboy>Yukiko the hime crowdpleaser with a raNdUm quirk like that weird laugh>Kanji the token closeted brawler slash second comic relief>Rise the thirsty possessive slut that makes all the other girls jealous>Dojima the remote dad>Teddy the quirky foreigner slash wacky sidekickI just found those characters ultimately unlikeable and I WANTED to like them. Maybe in their social links I somewhat did, but in group scenarios it's all just "oh Teddy is a pervert" or "Yukiko laughs snortingly again because someone slapped Yosuke".
Thoughts about P5? The critiques were rave.
No. 245619
>>245615Sorry for the incoherent spoilers lol.
>The Answer is a fucking shitshow.Glad I didn't miss anything then.
>Except maybe Nanako and Adachi, every character was just an amalgamation of tropes .Yes that's the biggest problem. Then there's the fact that between the introduction and the moment we find out about Namatame almost nothing interesting happens. The stroy could have been so creepy without being as "edgy" as the beginning of P3, I would have loved it. I didn't really give a shit about the slice of life parts of the story, it was funny sometimes with the date group café for example, but most of the time it was boring. And I agree about Adachi and Nanako, but I would add Dojima, he's cool.
Fun fact, the writers and developers hesitated between writing Yosuke, Yukiko and Dojima as the serial killer. I liked Yosuke and Teddie because of their social links but I don't care about the rest of the playable characters.
I haven't played P5 yet, I don't have a PS3 or a PS4 so I need one of them first. I was looking forward to it so much for years that when the game was released in Japan I just looked for spoilers on /pg/ and it was fun. But now I'm not as excited as I used to be. I feel like while the gameplay seems much better, the story looks like it has the problem as in P3 and P4. I'll definitely play it once I get either a PS3 or a PS4 (and a TV too).
No. 245620
>>245611Oh, Adrenaline is a henkaku app on vita. Your vita also has to be on 3.60 to run it, so you might need a new motherboard (got mine secondhand for $20~ little over a year ago, idk about EU) on that FW or lower.
>But if it doesn't have social links and the goddamn calendar it should be better than the main quest/story It doesn't, but it's hard as piss and requires a lot of grinding and luck. You get to play as Aigis though desu ♥
99% sure it is cannon that teddie doesnt have organs or a skeleton. Still agree with everything you said about P4, and I still liked it too if not just because it was one of the only good vita games.
>>245615>Thoughts about P5? The critiques were rave.NTA obviously, but P5 was specifically what I was talking about when I said these are mediocre games that take themselves way too seriously. Nice soundtrack, but overrated as fuck overall.
No. 245625
>>245619> The stroy could have been so creepyYeah… The killer reveal hit out of left field, which is one good thing about it. I can only imagine how creepy it'd have been for Yosuke to have been it (not gonna spoiler, this game is what? 7 years old?).
I'm kind of laying off playing P5 because I know it'll have the same recycled tropes again.
>Ann the mix between Chie and Rise>Ryuji is Yosuke 2.0>Morgana is Teddy 2.0>Yusuke is male Yukiko, Haru is Yukiko 2.0>Makoto is Naoto>Goro is playable Adachi>Futaba is grown up Nanako No. 245631
>>245625Yosuke as the killer would have been so fucked up because he's shown as the comic relief by being a horny teenager. Imagine the comic relief who is shown hitting on girls and failing in funny scenes with typical humor you see in anime aimed at a young audience (well, not so funny but that's meant to be funny at the very least). There are scenes where he's having a hard time getting over the death of the girl he likes and you have to support him and help him get over it. Now imagine at the end of the game he turned out to be a serial rapist and killer who targeted his crush because he could get away with it. I bet that's why he wasn't chosen as the serial killer by the writers. Dojima wasn't chosen either because it would have been to fucked up because of Nanako according to the artbook. So much wasted potential. I guess since Adachi is more detached from the main plot at first they thought it wouldn't be as much of an issue if he were the culprit.
>>Makoto is NaotoFrom what I've read and seen she's more like Tatsuya 2.0, and her sister is discount Katsuya 2.0. Don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, but Makoto looks boring.
No. 245633
>>245631god, all of this. so many of the writing decisions in this game just felt like they were done to create as little moral conflict as possible.
in a PERSONA GAME.
No. 245640
>>245635I don't know, Persona 3 took more risks and it sold well enough for the Persona team to make a sequel very soon after so maybe it would have sold well too. Who knows.
Maybe they just wanted to separate the Persona series even more from the mainline games (+DDS) because these games are way more pessimistic, just so they could reach a wider audience. They almost went bankrupt at some point despite the Persona spinoffs selling like hotcakes and then Sega bought Atlus. Maybe they just thought they couldn't pull off that kind of plot twist after all because they're not very good writers even though they have a lot of good ideas. We're talking about the people who made Rise the typical fanservice character even though her character arc is about how she's sick of her job as an idol because of all the fanservice it involves, as well as other reasons, so they weren't very good at being coherent at the time.
No. 245643
>>245631I really loved P5 but Makoto is boring as fuck and I have no idea how she's universally one of the most popular characters. Her social link basically starts off with her asking you to pretend to be her boyfriend and that's where all of their chemistry comes from. It's such a lazy trope because it means they don't even try to have anything interesting between them, a load of your time with her is either acting like her boyfriend and calling her perfect, or silently watching her be stuck up and then calling her perfect at the end. With every other character there's at least some things I like but I seriously couldn't stand Makoto being onscreen.
The way the game doesn't know how to have Ann as a sexual character is annoying too. Your first introduction to her is through people talking about rumours she's a slut and it's alluded she's sexually assaulted by her teacher, and the point of her persona and parts of her general arc is that she wants to be sexy and confident on her own terms rather than being stared at and groped. But then the whole way through the game it's still joked about how she's really curvy and how all of the guys on the team want to fuck her while she looks disgusted by them. It's like they wanted her to be a confident sexy foreign domme but didn't want her to be too confident, so they had to keep balancing it out by making her embarrassed by her shirt getting wet. I think the game tackles some of its fake-deep themes pretty well but with that one you can kind of see where they messed it up by needing her to be fanservicey too, it'd be less jarring if she was just one or the other since they couldn't do both well.
No. 245645
>>245643The target audience just want cute female characters to date and don't care about character development so I guess Makoto is popular because she's supposed to be perfect and she's into the protagonist in a way that shown drectly to players? The reverse would be Yukari from P3, she's hated for being a "bitch" because she has an established background that's directly linked to the plot, she has personal goals and her own personality.
And yeah I'd say that overall the real flaws in the Persona stories starting from 3 is that they're full of wasted potential and not coherent. Gameplay wise it's the calendar system and the social links (which is linked to the story, if you don't like the characters you won't care about their social links). I feel like I'm repeating myself with that, sorry about it.
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>>245643I feel like everyone's hyping Makoto up so much and I don't see the appeal. She sounds like a know-it-all, stuck up basic tsundere with zero personality. I increasingly find myself ffw through her hangouts.
Meanwhile, everyone rags on Ryuji for not putting up with that stupid ass cat constantly insulting him.
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So now that the Persona dust has settled…
Tales of Berseria is edgy, mediocre garbage, and I don't know why it's considered the best Tales game. "BUT IT GETS BETTER", some of you say, but that's at the end of the half-way point. I don't want to spend that amount of time just to start liking Velvet.
I'm also not a huge fan of the Tales series in general, due to the stiff combat.
No. 245765
>>245643I also didn't like Makoto that much. She seemed boring. And her social link was ok but it was mostly about her friend.
I also hated Futaba. She's my least favorite Persona character by far. I've never cringed at a character so hard in my life. She is really annoying, and her English VA doesn't help things.
>>245645I think P3 was the worst about not being coherent. I understand Atlus was dealing with a new gameplay system but I don't understand why everyone loves the plot. I think it's a good game but I liked P4 better. And even though P4 plot was more cliche, I think it was more streamlined instead of having a bunch of random stuff thrown together. For example, I don't like how in the beginning of the game it's supposed to be a big deal that shadows are attacking random people, but it stops being an issue after the first month of the game and none of the characters care about the problem.
>>245625P5 is awesome even if you don't think the story would be good. The gameplay is amazing.
How is Futaba grown up Nanako? They're nothing alike. People also say Goro is like Adachi and they have similar names but they're also pretty different.
I would say Ryuji is more like Junpei.
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>>245760I found it to be a pretty OK game. I'm very on and off with the tales series, I haven't played them all and my fave personally was Destiny.
But I didn't hate Berseria. Velvet is really hard to like. She has a breakdown basically where she finally sort of changes her perspective, but its not until the middle/end of the game. So if you weren't invested to begin with, I get not wanting to stick with it.
Magilou's backstory they really dropped the ball on, not even properly building it up until they drop the bombshell at the very end. Which is disappointing because her backstory would have been super interesting if they had built that up correctly.
Also not for nothing but selling DLC costumes is bullshit.
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>>245760Still miles better than Zestiria, the game everyone seems to love despite being a plothole-ridden broken piece of bugged shit with a lousy, hard to follow story and the worst Mary Sue ever written. I'm glad it cost Baba his career at Bandai-Namco and despite the newfag spergs loving it most people are able to see the flaws.
>inb4 don't insult my lesbian queen asshole!!!!!uwu No. 245802
>>245760I don't get when people call it THE BEST. It's not close to the best (I'd put Destiny, Destiny 2, or Rebirth in that slot). It's just better than Zestiria, like
>>245778 said.
No. 245806
>>245802>>245778>>245760>>245767Zestiria's camera work pissed me the hell off tbh. I think the reason everyone liked it was because they saw Mikleo and Sorey as butt buddies or something. Gotta get that fujo bait I guess.
I haven't played Berseria yet but I have it just kinda sitting around untouched. Zestira wasn't painstakingly awful for me but it's overpraised when Symphonia or Rebirth were so much better. Hell even Graces was better even though it wasn't my favorite(Cheria was the worst character in that one imo)
No. 245809
>>245802Another Destiny fan! I love that game so much.
>>245771Yeah the story was pretty ok. Nothing amazing really.
>>245806I don't know how much I'd recommend playing it. I played it because at the time I was unemployed so I had a lot of time on my hands, so it was fine for that. But I'd say its only worth it if you don't have anything else to play instead.
No. 245846
>>245814Alisha's sense of duty and knighthood was so huge idk how players didn't see it coming that she'd be leaving the party to help villagers. I think her main purpose was really to just get Sorey out into the real world and no longer among the seraphs but that was it. I remember reading somewhere that in Japan people would return the game or pitch a fit immediately after finding out Alisha left. I noticed that the game was originally close to 50 bucks but then not long after that it plummeted down to 20 where I live because of it.
The other thing I didn't like about Zestiria is that they made it seem like the Shepherd and all that jazz existed hundreds of years ago and then as I play on I found out the last Shepherd existed barely even 20 years prior to the game. It just didn't make sense to me I guess. They built it up to be some mythical legend when really it was only a couple decades ago.
>>245809Until the next tales game comes out I don't have anything else to play so it sounds like I'll be in for a long ride.
No. 245863
>>245775because 60% of P5 players are thirsty neets trying to romance all their "waifus" and Makoto is "canon waifu" according to the subreddit and 4chan and her codename is "queen", blah, blah, something something ~strong female characters~, something something step on me Makoto-hime.
Don't ask me, I don't get it either. She's so fucking boring but every male Persona player I know thirsts so bad for her.
No. 245869
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>>245802>Destiny 2>best gameDon’t get me wrong I’m a fan of Destiny aswell, but that sequel is a fucking abomination of a game and was probably one of the biggest flops of 2017.
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>>245869>I seriously can't tell if baiting or notI'm pretty sure anon was referring to this game there my friend.
No. 245976
>>245846To make matters worse there were rumors floating around in 2chan that Alisha was supposed to be the main heroine and Sorey's squire in the beginning, but the producer shilled his waifu (Rose) in at the last minute and gave Alisha's place to her. Which is why they had to completely rewrite the story and that caused the plot holes and the strange "discovery points" as the skit flags were already put in the game but Alisha had to be taken out. This was further pushed when people found out that the voice actress for Rose auditioned a year after the other actors.
Don't know if it's true but it would explain a lot, including the producer's leaving of the company shortly after. It could be why so many of the secondary characters were left unfinished (Mayvin and Sergei for example) because they were meant to interact with Alisha and why the anime was so different from the actual game, even giving Alisha an armatus mode.
No. 245995
>>245583He’s definitely got some great stuff, I’m not saying he doesn’t. Part of the shining and It are legitimately terrifying and he writes the fears of childhood in a way that makes them feel fresh and real.
It’s just that when he fucks up, he does so spectacularly. Under the dome was brilliant until aliens. Carrie was scary but the mother’s dialogue was just..strange. Dirty-pillows? I can’t take that seriously, but in the same novel he describes her isolation and shame so well that I squirm.
There’s so much hit and miss that it’s a crapshoot with every new story.
No. 246112
>>245864I would literally kill for at least a digital release so I could get my friends to play it. I was lucky to get a copy, but I found out a new copy in 2018 is $400 +
I'd also kill for Destiny merch that wasn't just Leon. I like Leon well enough but he isn't my favorite.
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>>246539Jessica Lange was the only thing that made me keep watching at times.
I really liked the concept of Coven, but it seemed like they simply had too many ideas for one season and crammed in too much so the whole thing became the fast-paced messy shit it is. Season 1 was great and Season 2 my favourite. I stopped watching during the Hotel season, it got old and Lady Gaga's role made me cringe.
No. 246585
>>246553will never get over the jarring way characters would be cruelly torturing and murdering someone immediately followed by a scene intended to provoke empathy for the same character; whilst they namedrop some designer brand as if it automatically makes them sassy, cool, and relatable.
+racebaiting
It's super sinister actually and not in a good way. It must have fucked up young people's minds.
No. 246621
>>246585which scene are you referring to?
imo freak show was the worst because they had all of those out of era musical numbers sung by people who can't sing
No. 246630
>>246621I'm pretty sure it happened in most episodes, even multiple times an episode sometimes.
I'm pretty sure there's a scene in coven when the characters march straight in from a murder scene to gush over Stevie Nicks playing piano, as if she would just be jamming at home waiting for her audience of amoral serial killer mates. I doubt she knew what she was signing up to.
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>>246539Yeah it’s frustrating because I think it has a pretty good main cast and set up. It’s just the execution is shit. I also hate how they use disability as a creepy element, especially the Down syndrome girl, like they think throwing a special needs person in a shot makes it scary or some shit
No. 246646
>>246541They have so much material and somehow they always come back with the most boring, poorly written, fan servicey, stupid shit imaginable.
The plot is always messier than a clown orgy and every time they have the opportunity to do something really interesting or really cool, they do the exact opposite.
You could take someone, stick a pen behind their ears, put them on a pogo stick, and push them down a stairwell and they would write a better screenplay on the walls.
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>>246112I'd kill for Johnny merch, but in Bamco's eyes he might as well not exist anymore. It took him winning a popularity poll in Link for them to even give him a 5*.
No. 246708
>>245615>Thoughts about P5? I'm about 70hrs into P5 and its massively disappointing and awfully cringy.
I've been a fan of Atlus in general for years now, played all Persona games and i'd rank P5 below 3 and 4 for its sheer lack of originality alone.
My main problem is its being praised for things that already existed in mainline SMT and early Persona games such as the ailments system, demon negotiation and multiple endings shit, also Guns which exist in a large chunk of SMT games and P2.
Whilst taking away for example same sex options for romance like that of P2. And no hope for a fem MC due to the massive delay since 2015.
The good:
>Great soundtrack shoji meguro has yet to make a shit OST.
>Gorgeous art, every menu is interactive and amazing its quite a spectacle to just use fucking items. The pop art super hero, comic red style they went for is cool and far distinguishes itself from the cool undertones of P3 and sharp electric yellow of P4.
>One aspect of the theme was law and when law should be questioned I found this to have merit and found myself agreeing with whats his face a lot - the lawyer brown hair guy. Unfortunately this theme was promptly forgotten and replaced with a bullshit theme of self expression or some muddled shit.
>The "palaces" were cool, pretty meh to navigate with shit puzzles that a preschooler could solve but still pleasant visually and had rad themes.The Bad:
>Shit characters/recycled tropes, literally the same designs or similar designs for some.see
>>245625
>Massively predominated female cast to joking levels, the majority of the social links are grown women which are creeping around you for whatever reason.Inb4
>hidden secret ending where teacher or journalist chick get arrested for statutory rape of a minor.Though this brings up a good point, why were none of the adult female characters paranoid of being arrested for statutory rape? At one point in the Social link of the journalist woman you have to lie and say your a boyfriend of her. As if that would somehow get her OUT of trouble with her boss, bitch could get arrested.
>Entire game is a huge drag full of text pop ups, text boxes and uninteresting padding filler shit.This speaks for itself, or doesn't because its just bland writing on a screen.
>Literally all the female characters are sexualized massively. Ann - throughout the entire game from start to finish, Haru - her shitty sub plot of her fiance, even fucking Makoto at one point by the mobsters, even the computer girl who's a first year comments about why and how her costume is skin tight. Good question Futuba why in a game about breaking the shackles of oppressors is your fucking costume skintight when your clearly not comfortable with it being?
It puts a sick taste in your mouth as the game tries to tell you to fight against this as a form of discrimination telling you to stand up to people who treat you as a sex object, but also all females must be sex objects.
And that leads me to the next point and probably the most important the conveyance of themes in the game is trash, and definitely the weakest in all of Atlus storytelling ever, inclusive of the SMT and Persona series.
Basically its fighting against itself to express what the core ideas are but the core ideas are constantly contradicted and muddled to the point of confusion the overall impression is weak due to this, contrast this to the ever present themes of mortality and death present in P3, and as gay as P4 is, the constant themes of friendship and unity. Both games have clear themes expressed pretty strongly in the case of P3 where your literal evokers are guns you shoot in your with.
The masks in P5 are literally just to look cool, they symbolize bullshit and aren't necessary in Mementos or palaces, at some points in the game the characters aren't wearing them and whether or not this is forgotten or poor writing isn't explained.
>The game becomes extremely repetitive fast, after the second dungeon you'll get bored shitless.
>There are no "stakes" P3 had
>the dark hour, basically zombification of people by apathy syndrome and the literal destruction of the world by Nyx. P4 had
>gruesome murders, the potential threat of murder as a stake even moreso murder of your own friends and schoolmates. P5 has
>you might be expelled and have to go to a different school lel. Booh fucking hoo.
>Its highly unrealisticThis is debatable since it is fucking Persona but P5 tries to be so realistic and relatable to modern life that I feel this actually should be brought up as a valid point. The idea of Mementos is barely developed upon in addition to it being some vague manifestation of human emotions representing the bulk of the city.
>The Social links suck ass and are the weakest in the seriesAnns is the most blatantly weak followed by Yusukes I believe. Additionally the NEET character unrealistically breaks out of her shell almost immediately which sucks, they had so much potential for these characters but wasted Anns arc on a pointless bicker with some rival model, Yusukes is literally just he weird, Futubas sucks and is unrealistic. At some points she's timid of being outdoors then she becomes enamored with it. There's no consistency.
>The concept of "hearts" is never explained enoughIts left vague almost on purpose. Its not clear whether you can kill individuals by taking their treasures.
>The whole group thingThe phantomthieves don't feel like they'd actually associate with each other due to their severe differences.
The scooby doo thing with P4 worked and the group seemed like genuine friends deeper than P3.
The P3 cast were forced together but were aware of each others situations and convictions despite being severely different.
>Everyone is boring and unopinionated , even downright fucking stupid at points.Especially Ryuji and Ann, both are morons
Thank fucking god for Makoto and to a lesser extent before you get Makoto Yusuke. I honestly believe their group would be immediately disbanded and arrested if Makoto never joined, she's very by the books but someone fucking has to be in their situation.
>Inb4 shitty plot twist is coming up but I have no fucking motivation to finish this trash fire.I'd rather replay Nocturne, or drop it for SMT V. At this point I shouldn't be expecting a plot twist but its become a fucking meta in the Persona series which is just cancerous.
There's an unofficial meta to Persona games now the meta is basically this:
have 4-6ish main characters with funny boi who your friend, MC, and grill also retarded mascot thing which never existed before 4.
It could be argued that Komaru was a mascot to 3 but it was literally just a fucking dog not a mascot, not a caricature of an animal, not some inhuman shit, just a dog. Aegis was equal to a person not a shitty mascot this is sort of the focus of "The Answer".
There's a mandatory p l o t w i s t in every Persona game now as well which hurts my fucking brain.
There's an awful amount of female characters to the point of cringe its become a straight up waifu, harem sim. I might ask why in a game about defeating discrimination is there so same sex options but you can hook up illegally with the teacher and random journalist woman?
>"Discrimination"At many points in the game Yusuke is teased for being eccentric and he's downright living off scraps at some points in the game, Ryuji is constantly berated by the cat to a deafening level for being stupid. There's points in the game where you have to escape a bunch of random gay men on a beach.
>MFW P5 is toted as the best game ever getting great reviews.Fuck this shit. Fuck Atlus for delaying this shit for 3 years.
The only people who think this is the best game of their lives are fucks who never played a SMT or Persona game in their lives, this is a rehash/recycling that can barely hold a candle to P4 let alone P3 or the SMT series.
I could literally go on forever about shit I despised in this trash heap but I've bored you enough.
For a game that obsesses over hearts this one sure had no fucking heart in it, and with its shitty writing effectively broke mine.
No. 246740
>>246708>I could literally go on forever about shit I despised in this trash heap but I've bored you enough.No please go on, I'm interested. I want to play Persona 5 because of the gameplay but I can't yet, and megaten fans' opinions interest me. A lot of reasons why you dislike P5 were already in P3 and P4 somehow, and I remember everyone thinking that P5 was going to be innovative when the first trailers were shown by Atlus so I'm really curious.
>retarded mascot thing which never existed before 4I liked Teddie a lot but I feel like his role was going to be very different until Atlus decided that they needed a cute mascot because it sells. I was really disappointed when Morgana appeared for the first time in trailers because of that.
No. 246783
>>246708>Inb4 shitty plot twist is coming up but I have no fucking motivation to finish this trash fireoh baby, you haven't gotten to it (or "them," i guess) yet?
very good post, but i feel like you would've really had a field day with the fun plot twist(s) at the end.
No. 246812
i hate any novel written before mid-late 19th century for the exact same reason literature professors love them: they're long, clunky, usually unnecessarily complicated and their main plot is shit literally nobody cares about. can you imagine praising a book specifically because it's boring and unexciting to read? just say the word Middlemarch to a faculty member and watch them wax poetic about mundane minutae of life in a fictional English village 300 years ago and stilted, starched relationships of its inhabitants being the most universally valid and beautiful thing ever written about human condition.
novel as a genre was cheap entertainment for newly-emerging middle classes and charles dickens was the equivalent of today's semi-trashy TV series, get over it. yes, they have their place in study of literature but they're crappy as hell. anything old being automatically deemed artistic and sophisticated annoys me so much. if anything, they're much less sophisticated than highbrow examples of modern literature simply because they were much more primitive and we didn't know any better. same thing goes for early examples of most genres and art forms.
>>236213>>236241thank you. i never understood the appeal either. i cringe so hard when my 30-something friends still make a big deal out of being "Potterheads" and act scandalized when i don't show any interest. there're so many more imaginative and interesting magic and wizardry themed books for children too.
like most anons here, i also find most US "classics" to be highly overrated. The Giver is also a super meh book i can't stand when praised too much.
No. 247616
>>247547Writing rape is fine. But I just don't enjoy his books, and that's an aspect of it.
Daenerys is forced in to a marriage by her brother, and then raped- but eventually she starts saying yes during the act, and then falls in love with him. Uh huh. If the end goal was for her to fall in love with him, the rape makes no sense and was unnecessary.
Joffrey's abuse of Sansa was to… make him look really bad? Show how bad he was? Even when that was shown in a variety of other ways. Show how shitty she was treated, cause that was the only way how? Again, it felt lazy and gratuitous.
Sansa almost gets raped in a riot, but the Hound saves her. Whoo. Thrilling. Brienne is almost raped until Lannister saves her. Ohh. Scary.
And on and on. If you enjoyed the books, good for you. But not everyone is going to enjoy reading about women being brutalized in the name of ~realism~. Especially when it feels poorly done.
To explain why he includes so much, George R.R. Martin said
>I wanted my books to be strongly grounded in history and to show what medieval society was like, and I was also reacting to a lot of fantasy fiction…But if you’re going to write about war, and you just want to include all the cool battles and heroes killing a lot of orcs and things like that and you don’t portray [sexual violence], then there’s something fundamentally dishonest about that. Rape, unfortunately, is still a part of war today.Again, I mean, fine. If that's what you're into, go for it. But I don't enjoy reading a "historically accurate" fantasy novel depicting the rape and abuse of women. Its just not my thing. There's clearly an audience for the book series, and that's good for him and those who find it entertaining. It doesn't wind me up that people find it entertaining, so I don't know why fans get so upset that some people just don't enjoy it.
You're annoyed people say
> ‘I’m a woman so I don’t like rape so I don’t like GoT’It's totally fine if someone doesn't want to read about characters resembling them getting abused in a way that is "realistic." If someone is like "I'm a woman, and I don't want to read about other women getting raped, especially when its grounded in history and actual events." That's totally fine to me. If they said "I
wish the books had less abuse of women so I could enjoy them more," I think that's also totally valid. If they say shit like "the books NEED to be edited to remove the content I dislike," that's a different kind of complaint and pretty dumb.
No. 247650
>>247616I'm not even a big fan of the series/books but seems like you misread it.
>If the end goal was for her to fall in love with him, the rape makes no sense and was unnecessary.It's important to remember she was only thirteen when she was married to Drogo, so I wouldn't consider it 'real love' and I'd even go as far as saying it wasn't the author's intent. Daenerys is meant to start out as a child and slowly grow into a woman and that includes enduring Drogo's barbaric ways, I don't agree with it either and found it boring but I can see why it was necessary to the plotline.
>Joffrey's abuse of Sansa was to… make him look really bad?Yeah, because that's the worst thing he did… You forget this is the same character who cut open a cat mom's belly just to show the kittens to his father when he was only a child. Joffrey was clearly insane and didn't want Sansa sexually, only liked tormenting her. His abuse of Sansa is pretty much on pair with his sadistic personality, it's not that complicated.
>Sansa almost gets raped in a riot, but the Hound saves her. Whoo. Thrilling.Sandor's older brother pressed his face against the fire until it melted when he was just a child but obviously Sansa almost being raped is so much worse than that. Theon also almost gets raped in the series and books if I remember correctly, but obviously you'd only care about the female characters.
>Brienne is almost raped until Lannister saves her. Ohh. Scary. And what did you expect, to see her breaking free from her chains and killing everyone? As you said GRRM likes keeping his books a little bit more realistic. Jaime lost a hand trying to save her and Vargo Hoat had his ear bitten off when he tried to violate her, I don't see why you make her look like some damsel in distress.
As
>>247547 said, it's not depicting only the female character's suffering so I don't see why it is somehow worse than the explicit violence in the books. It just reeks of third wave feminism. And even though imo his books are far from perfect, I agree with him here.
>"I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off." No. 247661
>>236131I hate how it's becoming common place that there's no more clue, warning or atmosphere change to introduce a sex scene in movies and television, specially in stuff from Netflix, Amazon, etc.
I'm not always in the mood to watch fake sex out of no where, what the fuck, the media acts like people have sex all the time with whatever people like it's a handshake.
What if I'm with kids or family near the screen? At least start with a kiss scene or lights down so that the audience knows what's coming.
No. 247670
>>245869>>245893Hey I like Destiny. And yeah Destiny 2 was a terrible sequel. They messed up so many things. The gameplay and UI aspects were the most confusing, because they spent so long fixing them in the first game.
And I have so many problems with the storytelling. We still haven't gotten a continuation of the main stories from D1. Instead it's just random side stories. I didn't care about Ghaul in the first place, I wanted to see what happened to Mara Sov.
A point that really bothers me, though, is that while the writing is bad, I can't stand that all the blame goes to Christine Thompson. Destiny always had a fairly progressive fandom, until the PC players came along. It's funny how so many people are willing to overlook the trash writing in the first game (barring the somewhat decent Taken King), but as soon as someone figured out the head writer for D2 is a woman, they started calling for her to be fired. The writing has been at its current level since Rise of Iron, but people didn't care at the time because they got everything else they wanted. Entitlement is a big issue in that fandom, it seems. Anyways sorry for the sjw rambling, I'm probably overreacting.
No. 249018
>>245450what fucking idiot ever rooted for Dany? books or tv she was a complete fucking moron and scrapes by bc of those damn dragons.
I'm still salty that none of the GoT chars are fleshed out correctly. s1 and s2 and even a bit of s3 were so promising and now we have this shitfest.
I do enjoy the books more than that shitshow on HBO, but maybe that's bc I love chars over story. it's exactly what keeps me holding on for MCU… even after they let me down time and time again.
I don't know if anyone's mentioned Stranger Things yet. but it's fucking ridiculous to me. I get the Stephen King nostalgia/80's bullshit, but goddamn, that entire show is just every King book in a fucking blender. Firestarter and IT and Carrie all mashed up into one bullshitty show that may or may not be going places. altho tbh that's King down to a tee. he can write a story but he can't take it anywhere or end it.
No. 249075
>>249025Nope, I was thinking of It by Stephen King. I don’t get how Stranger Things and It are the same, except I guess they’re both about a group of kids? But even then, the characters are all wildly different.
>>249026I agree. And cause that kid was in both the remake of It and the Stranger Things show, everyone sees them as more similar than they are. Even though the character he plays is completely different.
No. 249080
>>249023I’ve never seen the remade It but the book takes place in the 80’s, deals with horrifying monsters, a group of uncool teens who deal with some kind of strange monster the rest of the town knows nothing about or believe in.
You sub Pennywise for a demogorgon, swap the kids and add in some Firestarter government experiments with Carrie powered results.
The Duffy bros or whoever legit stated many times that they were inspired by their favorite parts of Stephen King. (altho, i did hear that they ended up plagarising Stranger Things from a college kid or something? who the fuck knows if that’s true or not)
You’ve got to be blind to believe there aren’t parallels between King’s books and the series.
No. 249082
>>249080>takes place in the 80’s, deals with horrifying monsters, a group of uncool teens who deal with some kind of strange monster the rest of the town knows nothing about or believe in.That’s not enough to say the show is just
>>249018>Firestarter and IT and Carrie all mashed up into one bullshitty show It’s more E.T than It. Or the Goonies. Or Stand By Me.
Or a dozen other 80s movies.
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>>249082I def. agree that Stranger Things is a mishmash of 80’s movies and tropes like ET and It and The Goonies and a hundred other 80’s products. I enjoy that part.
I’m just not a fan of it bc it doesn’t seem original in any way to me. Movies like The Goonies and ET and books like Carrie and It were all original ideas- ST seems like each of these really interesting 80’s ideas all blended together to make it what it is. None of the concepts that are in ST are original and they haven’t been executed as well as they could be (altho it is only s2, so hopefully it goes upwards).
I just don’t get the hype of it. It’s literally cherry picking parts from every hit 80’s book/movie and throwing them all together to make a show. It’s nothing new or original. Just my opinion tho. I know people love it- which is super great. But, Netflix hasn’t done a great job taking all these tropes and concepts and making them into something unique imo.
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>>249218Funny, I don’t remember this scene in Stranger Things.
>Their appearance is similar to humans, but with several differences, namely horn-like protrusions on the forehead and the presence of telekinetic invisible arms called "Vectors". >an event which causes her to develop a secondary, childlike personality known as Nyu.They might have been inspired by it, but they definitely didn’t rip it off. Unless Eleven developed a second personality, horns, and telekinetic arms kek
>More recently I had seen an anime called Elfen Lied that is clearly inspired by Akira. And that was really influential. When I watched it I thought it felt like an ultraviolent E.T. There were a lot of things in there that I really liked and that made their way into the show, particularly related to the character of Eleven.They also mention Akira and Silent Hill, among the 80s movies.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-stranger-things-the-duffer-bros-on-how-they-made-the-tv-hit-of-the-summerIt’s definitely a derivative work but it’s not a rip off of any one thing, and neither are any characters just cut outs from any one movie or show. They’re a jumble of nostalgia and references.
>the creators admitted that they ripped off Eleven from Elfen LiedSo gonna go with no, that’s not what they said or did. Being influence by something is not the same as ripping it off.
Still didn’t watch the second season all the way through because I thought it was predictable and boring, but that’s besides the point lol
No. 249306
>>249018>>249191Same.
I can't stand Stranger Things, imo it's so unispired and boring. And the fans are so annoying acting like it's some masterpiece. My brother actually got mad at me when I said I didn't like it.
No. 249333
>>249193Right, so you’re saying that if you see a show which blatanly copies many aspects of books and movies and television, blends them all together in an uninspired fan-nostalgia (bc the creators were those 30 y/olds who did do all of that, and they admit it many times), that you wouldn’t understand why it got so much fanfare?
I get that this is something new and exciting to the younger crowd and even my age; but they haven’t improved anything. They haven’t changed anything. This isn’t groundbreaking in any way- despite what people treat it as.
>>249306I totally agree- I don’t mind sitting and watching it as one of those mindless tv shows- I enjoy all the aspects of it- but the fans fucking ruin it. It isn’t that fucking great. At all. It’s a pretty average tv show for what it is.
No. 249565
>>236793I about 15 chapters on a binge and couldn't/can't understand for the life of me how anyone could see it as romantic/a love story… It's fetishizing and gross, at best
I thought some of the elements were interesting: stalker being caught by another criminal and then becoming a victim of crimes he would've likely perpetrated when stalking wasn't enough of a thrill anymore. And the police officer trying to solve it all. Could've done without the torture porn, obviously.
No. 249567
>>249562I think people mainly became obsessive with it when it was still on-going and there were a lot of questions and suspens. I remember in middle school when I was really into HP, the media were all over it too, and there were multiple magazines aiming for a lot of different readers talking about how the last volume could possibly end right before it got released. And many adults who are still obsessed with HP seemed to have been kids or teenagers when the series was still on-going so there's also the nostalgia factor.
> it comes off as a bit pathetic when it's basically a personality trait.I feel like that could apply to every fandom at this point, since they all have fans who seem to only live for their favorite series or celebrities to the point where it get creepy.
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The Picture of Dorian Gray. Everyone and their mother seems to love this book but to me it's just meh. I admit that Wilde has a nice writing style and there are some great quotes but reading it just felt so annoying and exhausting, almost like a chore. I even read it twice to see if I missed something, but nope I still don't see it. I might try one more time because it might be something on my part since this is so universally beloved.
No. 249612
>>249592Books don't make it to the canon because they're enjoyable or well-written or anything like that, it makes no sense to think you disliked it because you missed something.
Most classical books people like are just a combination of tolerable plot and high status anyway. If you're not autistic levels into literature you're better off reading the best-seller tier stuff everyone else reads that you'll likely enjoy. I don't mean it in a demeaning way, btw, it's just less of a waste of time.
No. 249851
>>249592hey, i agree. i read it recently and it's… meh. wilde can come up with some witty sentences but other than that… it's a bit of a struggle haha. it's like - i can see what he's going for and all the ~subtext~ and ~hidden meaning~ but… it does nothing for me lol. i don't like most of his other work either, just not that into the whole #aesthetics and symbolism thing he's got going on i suppose.
>>249612>Books don't make it to the canon because they're enjoyable or well-written>you're better off reading the best-seller tier stuff…what?
just because anon disliked one book from the "canon" (whatever that is…) doesn't mean all of the classics are shit and not worth reading. pls love yourself.
No. 249995
>>249866No you’re totally right anon. YA is trash for kids and adults who read it and gush or obsess over the fandoms are freakish.
There’s nothing wrong with reading it if it’s where you’re at re reading level,(because, dead serious, who the fuck actually needs to be able to analyse literature)
It gets weird when just about every mid twenties woman I meet gushes about Harry Potter/hunger games/whatever vampire junk it is this week. It’s almost always all paranormal romance.
I’m a raging fuckin snob (dont push your kids into academia, plz) and idk how to react we discover we both like to read and share favourites.
It’s a garbage book Ricki..it’s nearly 400 pages of a horny teenagers weird fanfiction. The antagonists name is literally Latin for ‘evil vampire’ and there were 75 mentions if the love interests ‘steely grey eyes’
What the fuck did you get out of that?
I know it’s partly because I’m an insufferable snob but goddamn, as a genre it is stuffed to the brim with garbage stories by garbage authors.
No. 250296
>>250044>defends "classics">talks about how such rankings and classifications may not be validYou sound dumb and exactly like the pretentious people I referred to in my post who read "classics" (lmao) and think that makes them very smart.
I don't think people should read "shitty YAs", I just think the common "shallow" books criticised by pretentious cunts very worried about teh classiks and ~art~ have their merit, and that if someone's not interested in the history of literature, writing as an artform, literary theory and criticism etc they're wasting their time reading complicated books that are considered "classics" precisely because those into literature say so. Not that people can't also enjoy these books, but assuming they'll be "good" books by regular people's standards (and if they dislike the books they're "missing something") because they're "classics" is misguided. We're taking about different audiences with different interests and different approaches.
And tbh I don't believe someone who says "canon whatever that is" and refers to books as "classics" is familiar with the academics surrounding literature. You sound like you just googled that
No. 250300
>>250296Nta but holy shit you're sounding more pretentious than any person concerned with the "academics of literature"
>>249881Same. I try time and time again to get into it but I just can't. The opening is pretty good though.
I am so tired of twist games and anime that mix cute/moe shit with horror. People say madoka started that but even madoka had things going on from the first episode so there weren't any tricks. Doki doki literature club, omori, undertale and other western attempts at it are even more cringey than when Japan does it. Half the time there is absolutely no point to the plot and creators use the "it's open ended" excuse for not properly planning their series. You see it a lot with rpg maker games like pocket mirror or dreaming mary. And it's even worse when people eat it up like it's the second coming of christ and write theories that have more thought put into them than the original.
No. 250340
>>249562Similar here, I liked HP a lot, but I was never that much into it to the point of buying merch, cosplaying, going to see the movies in theaters or even participating in the fandom. However, once all books were finally out and the excitement died down, I suddenly discovered HP fandom with all of its drama, shipping wars, crazy theories, snapewives and contrived fanfiction, and I fucking loved that. I still like browsing HP forums and fansites, both dead and active ones.
So basically, I don't love HP, but I love reading about people who are obssessed with it.
>>249592OT, but why the fuck did they put Liszt on the cover? I know he was madly popular at the time, but he hardly fits that book.
Sage for ot sperging in general.
No. 250538
>>249592While I don't think Dorian Gray is perfect because it does a drag a bit (what was up with the whole entire chapter about him finding treasure and shit?) But I think it does a good job of showing corruption of innocence from influence with the relationship of Lord Henry and Dorian.
The best part of the novel for me was always about Dorian trying to fight to stay good while dealing with his obsession with staying young and getting more deprived
Though if you're not into that; I can understand why you don't like the book.
No. 250582
>>250538I really enjoy "canon" or at least "classic" books. Like The Great Gatsby, To Kill a Mockingbird, Romeo and Juliet, The Metamorphosis, The Scarlet Letter, Of Mice and Men, Dracula, etc. I get they're not for everyone, but I feel like people who bitch about them and how they're boring didn't give them a fair chance outside of a school setting.
Invisible Man is one of my favorite books in general. But I hated Fahrenheit 451 even though I get why its such a significant piece of literature. Catcher in the Rye can fuck off tho.
No. 257712
>>257680I like him in smaller dosages, but man, 1Q84 was just a fucking slog and felt like a waste of time.
Also I get he loves pubic hair but I don't need so much emphasis on it.
No. 257915
>>257699ikr. he's just written 1 story several times.
the best murakami is the first murakami you read. its downhill from there
No. 258141
>>258123So why post anything about it?
It’s annoying to be surrounded by adults who brag about being well read when they spend six months plodding through christens books.
No. 258269
>>257948No shame about liking Hunger Games. Those books are great and well-written, especially in regards to the sociology of the world and character psychology.
If you want to branch out, maybe think what themes or topics interest you and look for lists with books concerning them? For example, mental illness, paranormal romance, dystopia etc. Try some of the adult books from the list.
No. 258282
>>258269>hunger games>well writtenPick one anon, because it’s not both. YA is rarely written well, and teen romances set in prototypical dystopias aren’t even close to good, let alone verging on literary or important.
On topic opinion- every single ‘paranormal romance’ is trash and fans of it are kindly letting you know they are dim and have poor taste. It is impossible to write anything about a sexy ghost that isn’t trash.
No. 258304
>>258301How else can the reader self insert if there’s no character description?
Bonus points when the female lead is quirky, clumsy, brunette, and totes not like the other girls
No. 258330
>>258282>>258301>>258295That's like, your opinion, anons.
Battle Royale is too different to call HG a rip-off, but I guess that would kill your hate-boner.
If HG is a rip-off of BR than Stranger Things is a rip-off of Elfen Lied kek.
BR is not allowed to be the only series about teens killing other teens because evil government.
I like many things about HG, though I'm not a fan of Nabokov-like writing style. Though I agree that dropping description of main character is fanfiction-worthy mistake, I don't mind it if the rest is good. I don't think I even noticed it while reading, kek. I enjoyed the world-building, the way the fictional society was depicted. Katniss was interesting character with all her contradictions (like hating her motherfor her depression yet becoming almost useless due to ptsd).
Not saying HG is some literary classic, but it's good and on a completely different level than Twilight or The Fault In Our Stars.
No. 258348
>>258330It’s more poorly written than John Greens stuff in a technical sense, (Suzanne Collins needs a fucking copy editor as badly as she needs kidneys) and I’ve taken dumps with better literary content than twilight, so being slightly better plot-wise is hardly praise.
It’s fine to enjoy young adult stories, you don’t need to stan for a kids book.
>>258332Does anyone here read books marketed to people over 15?
No. 258354
>>258351Nobody is upset, just asking. I’m clearly not a fan of it but that’s got nothing to do with the readers themselves.
As far as suggestions go, sirens of titan, stranger in a strange land, and alias grace were really good imo. It would depend on what genres and topics you’re interested in though.
No. 258356
>>258348I don't stan for them, I just enjoy them enough to own a copy. I see them as entertainment and that's it. (Which, as a sidenote, Battle Royale is too, except with more violence porn and literal porn - with middleschoolers to boot, kek. No wonder everyone had to get aged up when the manga came out here).
Maybe John Green's stuff is better edited,but the plot is pure wish-fullfilment drivel and tragedy porn. Hate how he panders to teens with writing adults as idiots in comparison to his teen protags (at least that was the case with The Cancer Girl's mom).
I don't see why someone should be ashamed of reading/liking HG, though reading just YA is a bit too much.
Don't get why you care so much about someone disagreeing with you. It's fine for you to disagree HG.
No. 384902
Those who read books from decades ago, and try to apply current ideas and social constraints, should look into the history, and social climate when the books were written. It has not been any great period of time since Women disguised themselves as men, or avoided revealing themselves as female, to get published. J.K. Rowling comes to mind and there are many others. Piers Anthony wrote during a time when 'boys will be boys' was still acceptable, and non-consensual sex was still considered "a fate worse than death". Marriage could occur, with the parents consent, at the age of 15, and pedophilia was so deeply buried that it wasn't even mentioned in "polite society". To expose such topics, in whatever way, and to champion the "sexual revolution" which was still brand-new, was a far cry from all the stupidity one encounters in the reviews currently published. Just consider that Misogyny was considered a 'life choice' in those days, and LGBT was still a criminal offense, in most states. You cannot judge any work, from an earlier time, by today's criteria, since times have changed and many of the things which we consider 'wrong' were simply 'scandalous' when they were written. Emily Dickinson was unable to publish as she chose, while she was alive, but no one seems to remember it being because she was female. If you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk. The "#MeToo" movement would have resulted in jail time for the "lying women" involved, in the late fifties and early sixties. Think about that, for a moment.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 385065
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The Female Man by Joanna Russ
Everyone hales it as some great feminist milestone but it seems so disjointed and incontinent and the only defense people have for the writing was Joanna wanted to establish a "feminine writing" that is nothing like classic male way of writing of that its supposed to be that
also her weird little femcel fantasy
No. 385077
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This was me when I started reading The Pillars of The Earth by Ken Follett. It was so damn horrible and I want my time back
No. 385100
>>385092I know they're kids but they acted like cartoon kids. Like the whole thing with the photograph, what actual teenage boy screams and cries like the MC in the movie over photo?
The music was awful too, I don't remember the scene exactly but that weird "romantic" music that plays when one of the girls and boys is talking in some cottage/hiding place is horrible! It's like I as watching anime.
So by childish I mean the characters are written in childish way that you would expect from children's media but I see this happening with japanese drama series supposedly meant for adults too that they're written like cartoon characters. It's jarring.