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Post about your employment status, successes, woes, anxieties, rants, etc.
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>>>/ot/1563824 No. 1802134
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I don’t want to be a medical lab technologist
I don’t want to be a medical lab technologist
I don’t want to be a medical lab technologist
I don’t want to be a medical lab technologist
I don’t want to be a medical lab technologist
I don’t want to be a medical lab technologist
I hate the medical field. I hate hospitals, I hate the people. “it suits your personality” I’m a fucking loser? Thanks.
Why does my family keep pushing me away from STEM, especially computer science?
No. 1802220
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>>1802134That feel when you used to study computer science, failed out of it, and now half way through studying to become a lab tech, the job all my high school teachers told me to do, kek.Good luck with following your dreams though, don't be like me.
No. 1802226
>>1802220How would you describe your personality? Shy? Hands-on?
I want to do something relevant like in FAANG, or something like that. I want to build something relevant or be a part of something useful. Not a fucking lab tech.
What was the hardest part about a comp sci degree, in your opinion?
No. 1802259
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Finally got a job offer after 6 months of searching and 2 years of being treated like the office bitch by my manager. Can’t wait to get some actual fucking work done again. No more dropping everything to set up water and glasses or pick up food for her meetings, or wrangle contractors for repairs to the shitty office, or sitting awkwardly caught in the middle of her tantrums to senior leadership. I genuinely feel like a weight has lifted off of my shoulders since sending back my signed contract.
No. 1802261
>>1802134>>1802226Computer science is good work, but the job market is currently bad, it's hard to get work with no experience. Software industry is massively bloated with plenty of non-profitable companies and products, which are now dying due to the ongoing crisis.
There's many things other than FAANG that are relevant, anything running infrastructure. My current work affects billions because it's infrastructure.
No. 1802280
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Had a final interview at the start of the week, and went through the first two interview stages last week. Pretty sure it was a cultural fit interview, and most people say that it's usually a formality with HR to check you're not a sped… But the truth is I totally am a sped, so I'm worried they realized that and are about to reject me. The HR rep even said that she didn't have much to ask me because the hiring manager and my would-be boss had given me "glowing reviews", so I don't know what I would done differently. I'm pretty sure I was the first person that advanced rounds that quickly for this position, so I probably just wowed them, but now there's going to be a couple more people after me that are going to wow them so much more that simultaneously isn't a sped. Total pity party.
Something something fate something something it wasn't meant to be but damn it I really wanted this job!!!!!!!!
No. 1802651
>>1802486You did what you had to and I'm proud of you,
nonnie. You will get a way better gig. It's
sus for any company to ask proof of past wages imo.
No. 1802777
>>1802259Happy for you,
nonnie.
No. 1802829
>>1802791>doesn't make giveDoesn't
give, oops
No. 1803137
>>1801628Sending good vibes your way! You got this!
>>1802711Not a chance. LinkedIn is shit.
No. 1803293
>>1802484I'[m on lolcow because I'm a loser who's bored.
I wish I had a high flying six-figure tech job, it's more of a fantasy
No. 1803758
I currently work at a state-owned university. For most government/civil servant jobs, the salary had to follow a pre-established, really outdated level system that got outlawed a few years back. But now I'm really confused wether our wage is negotionable.
Currently I'm a part-time, temp-worker until I graduate, but then I'm 100% to become a proper FTE, and I see it as a pretty good time to discuss an increase in salary. The only thing is, I'm not actually sure if there's some kind of internal wage system I'm unaware of, or if there's any other law applicable here. When I interviewed for the role, I was too nervous to really negotiate well, and feel like I struck a pretty shitty deal. And yet I'm not if it's unrealistic to really dispute that in 6 months or so, I don't want to come across like a crazy person trying to fight for a salary increase when the range is set in stone.
I wish I could discuss this with my colleagues but ours is one of those cultures where asking about things like this is taken as blasphemy.
No. 1804063
>>1801679I'm very socially awkward, but just being kind/ humble and genuine has worked for me many times.
You got this!
No. 1804130
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I am sick of jobs lying to me.
>apply to job within 5-10 miles of my house since i dont have a car and it's hard to get around on public buses here
>Interviewer calls me "actually, the job is an hour away in another state."
>why?!
Every fucking time. These jobs need to held accountable for wasting my time. I am reading the job description and no where does it say the job site is located in another state.
No. 1804145
>>1804130LMAO anon I had an interviewer do that and it genuinely shocked me that someone would do that. My HR call never mentioned another location and they got annoyed hearing my concern after they randomly announced in the interview that it was in a completely different part of the US. I called it and said that this was the first time I ever heard that, and that the job wasn’t advertised as being in completely different region of the country! Like what was I supposed to do, wag my tail, be agreeable, and say it’s great to move to a completely different state where I know no one for the same salary I could get in my current city? THEN the lady said that actually they are under no obligation to even discuss the location with me until later on after I’ve invested even more time into the interview process. WTF.
I obviously did not get invited back for a second interview in this case. Just consider it a bullet dodged, these people are fucking insane. The same ones even had the nerves to tell me that I needed to tell them the other places I was applying to. Like holy fuck how stupid do you think a candidate is to tell you the other job opportunities they are applying for or considering so you can potentially sabotage them? I say that because these people seemed actually insane with no boundaries. I kinda wanna write a Glassdoor review now.
No. 1805029
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Like I get I'm Autistic but I've seriously had a rough go with employers not understanding what Autism even is. I'm going to look for another job as I don't want to stay at my current one anymore. I do not have the energy to rewrite this so it's capped. One thing I do want to clarify is the program I use and excel are two different things I have to learn. I've already done two excel courses and there's zero resources for the other program.
No. 1805062
>>1805052It's okay, if you need it you need it. Is this an "open-availability desired" or "flexible schedule" type job? She's probably just mad her employees have lives outside of work, that's usually what it is. If that's the case make sure you set your availability from the start or she'll chip away at it and give you a headache every schedule.
But yeah normally an employer complaining about hating their employees in an interview or onboarding is a clear sign to bail asap, it's all downhill from there and you'll likely become another employee she hates and she probably gossips if she can't even stay professional for an interview.
No. 1805065
>>1805046thank you for this
nonnie. I show up on time despite living 20 mins away in another city, I'm basically strapped to my desk working hard, and people are appreciative of the other tasks I do for them. I've had one meeting early on but that was because I was poorly trained. My family also think there's a hidden agenda since the company is merging soon. When I do quit I'm going to leave the resignation letter on my desk and send one to HR with my gmail after I leave. Not staying around to train the replacement either. I've been told my communication is bad but it also goes both ways and he said he doesn't like to "micro manage". I feel like I should look for a job with a team setting so there's better communication all around.
No. 1807251
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>>1802134Wow I feel you so much nonna. I'm a MLS and I hate it, can't believe I wasted four years of my life to do this shit. My heart goes out to you and I hope you find a way out of this field.
>>1802228If you are not into lab science at all then I highly suggest you do not go into it. I really enjoyed the science and theory in school but actually working as a lab tech in a hospital is soul-sucking.
No. 1807542
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Was at the Christmas party last Friday. Everyone was super drunk. One of the new joiners in HR pulled me aside and said everyone in there hates me. Thinking about quitting and getting a new job. I don't think I've talked to any of them much but they'll mess up any job progression.
No. 1807645
>>1807257You need to learn to totally separate your work self from your real self. You're there to get paid and have something on your resume. Bullshit your way through the parts of your job you're not trained in, because if you don't, you're going to get replaced by an incompetent moid who thinks he's god's gift to the company. Look for another job, but remember, it's not going to be that much better than the one you have when it comes to management and training, so choose your next job based on convenience and pay.
>>1807542KEK that one fucker hates you. HR is full of petty assholes, you should never listen to what they say. Pretend it never happened and carry on as normal.
No. 1807759
>>1807651Don't let it get to you,,
nonnie. He was displaying his true colors. HR is filled with disgusting, soul less people. You are better than him as a programmer. if anything, get a better job that pays you more for less or the same work.
No. 1807818
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I just applied for unemployment and pray i get accepted. it's only $300 a week but it will keep going until I find a job. i am living on my savings and scrapping by. I'm mentally exhausted, nonnies. Please send your positive vibes. I'm smarter than this, but no job is responding.
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im so tired of my coworkers constantly criticising and shit-talking each other. healthcare is fun
No. 1808013
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>>1802791Update: Holy fucking plot twist, so HR just called me today with a formal offer! I cannot believe they just overlooked the fact that I lied about having the two years of experience they required for the role I applied for. The stars have aligned in my favor, nonas. I start this Wednesday.
No. 1808165
I don’t want to go into too much detail, hence the vagueness. I want to become a scientist extremely badly. I took a few gap years to explore my interests and gain experience, which allowed me to uncover my true career goals. For the past few years I have been dreaming of being a researcher and contributing to my field of interest. I’m so excited! I fought through a lot of obstacles— poverty, depression, traumatic events, loss of family members, moving across the world —and finally registered for college to study full-time. Unfortunately, my living situation is very hectic again due to my prior experiences and I am not able to move out as I cannot afford rent elsewhere. I really feel that I must move into my own place, but I cannot earn enough to do so whilst studying full-time, so I think I must either study part-time or not study at all this semester, just so I can make ends meet. There have been some other setbacks contributing to this as well and overall I just feel so disappointed that I guess my goals are a lot further out of reach than I thought. I was so excited and positive, but now I’m not so sure.
No. 1808172
>>1808013Kek good for you nonnita!.
We need more advice about how to lie your ass off in this thread apparently.
No. 1808196
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Praying I get one of these two jobs I have interviews for this week.
One pays alright and isn't in my field (secretary shit), but everyone seems very nice. The other is in my field, pays way better (10k more), and is a government job to boot. I really want a government job. But I've also not touched a programming language since…August, so I'm worried they'll toss a Leetcode problem at me or something. Is it unprofessional to ask that? "Will you guys ask me to build a card deck or some shit." I feel they shouldn't, this is just a small hick state. But you never know.
Both seem pretty difficult for varying reasons. Government job for technical skill, secretary job for social acumen – which I lack. I'm trying not to doom but life hates me kek what if I don't get either.
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>>1808132>>1808130Thank you so much!!
>>1808166>>1808172I think it was just a culmination of factors that happened to work in my favor. The person I'm replacing for this role is retiring, I was a good cultural fit for the organization, and the fact that since the year is coming to a close, they probably prefer to end it off with someone in the position instead of starting back from square one. I just kept a good poker face throughout my interviews with them. I'm not charismatic by any means, but faking it does wonders if you can help it.
>>1808202 Kek, this is part of why I applied! So many places exaggerate about the level of competency they need for listings they put up. When they were explaining what the job would entail, nothing they said sounded out of the scope of my actual prior experience. And then they said it was totally fine if I had little or no experience in the things they listed as qualifiers in the original posting. I'm hoping things continue to go smoothly!
No. 1808787
>>1808391>>1808638Thanks nonas. It’s not that competitive I think but I could be wrong. I had one team I really wanted to work for and I just felt that the last guy did not like me at all. He was a “wife guy” and started talking about his wife not long into the interview which I found kind of unnecessary. Not like a brief mention but “we fell in love” or something…
This is another predicament but I’ve been noticing that in interviews it is so common for an interviewer to reveal what they’re truly thinking by taking points that I said about myself and turning them into something else. Like for example
>if I mention my “leadership qualities” then they later say something about how they “don’t want someone who can’t be on a team” and “can’t cooperate with a team” when I literally have been on teams for the past few years in a support role>if I say something about being detail-oriented and wanting to help improve the current processes then they mention eventually “well we don’t want a perfectionist, we need someone who is comfortable with mess”>this one wasn’t a quality but I was telling the team leader that relocating would be great for me and then he goes on about how “I’ve done it myself and I know how that hard that move is” when I was trying to emphasize that I want to move and that I have good assistance from my family to help me make a move so I’m in a better position than the average person relocatingI’m just so tired of what I feel is the interviewer putting words in my mouth or misconstruing what I say to something negative so they can use it against me. I try to address it when it comes up but sometimes it’s hard to get a word in because they usually briefly mention it and follow it up with a question. I just feel like these people immediately must have disliked me or not wanted to hire me because it seems like such reaching. I have no idea what I’m doing wrong to make these people write me off so quickly. This phenomenon even happened when I spent multiple days of doing research on the company and prepping for my interview AND doing prep interview work for the interview beforehand with the recruiter. Does anyone have something similar happening and have any advice? Is there anything I can do to change this?
No. 1808958
>>1807317Hospitality lol
>>1807645Bullshitting is what I've been doing fairly successfully, in honesty not being formally instructed has worked in my favour on a handful of occasions so far when I've gotten things wrong and can't really be blamed. I think I'll start to look on the side as you suggest as well, as I would really like to get straight into the higher position I'd like rather than wait and hope for a promotion, ultimately.
No. 1811212
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>>1810150I’m sorry about your loss anon. Your coworkers and previous job sounded like shit anyway. You’re not a loser some things just happen and you’re doing the best you can. It also doesn’t always have to be like that.
No. 1811302
I’m struggling with whether to change my job or not. I’m a phlebotomist at a plasma center, and I work full time. The pay is okay, the work is kinda boring sometimes, but I’m good at it and it can be relaxing bc it’s so repetitive. It’s not exactly my dream job. But I really like my coworkers, I get a long with them really well, and sometimes I don’t always fit in at jobs because even though I have a good personality, I don’t exactly know how to behave that professionally- like in corporate environments, it’s difficult for me to fit in.
I’d just like a job with more regular and set hours, and a job where I have weekends off. I’d like to be able to make plans. My job also has a high turn over rate and we’re always short staffed, which adds to the stress.
I don’t want to just get comfortable in an unideal situation, but I keep thinking that that the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. What if I do change jobs, and that job is awful? I don’t know what to do nonnies.
No. 1811603
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All my problems would be solved if I could get a job. But oh wait, entry level/junior/associate/developer I positions require 2-3+ years of experience. Why call it an entry level position then? Okay, whatever, I'll apply but know that I got rejected. It's fine though, but I'll apply to another job that I might be underqualified for, but you know, just in case I get it. Oh okay, never mind, I got rejected again, but aww the nice HR no-reply email said they were impressed by my resume and skills and would keep it in their system if there is another opening that would suit me better! Hey, there's a job that I got rejected for a month ago but they opened a new opening for the same job position! Wow, fuck you!
… is how I've been feeling about the fucking job search in tech. It's pretty bad for entry level people like me and I know there's some fault of my own too (ie. not having side projects or w/e). But goddammit, every company is looking for senior developers when there really aren't that many to go by, so why the fuck aren't they hiring juniors?! How the fuck do they think seniors got to where they are? By training juniors to intermediates to seniors to principal to staff developers. I hate this bullshit industry and job market. Sometimes I think I should have slaved at my old company but the past doesn't matter anymore.
So my tips on getting a job:
1. Just jump into the tech industry as someone with senior experience.
2. Joke. Ask for referrals from anyone you know. That's the only surefire way of knowing you'll be able to talk to the recruiter who'll actually look at your resume instead of it being stuck on some shitty outdated job system, then over to the next potential steps.
3. Pray. This doesn't do anything but it calms the nerves, so really, you can do something else, like yoga or something.
4. AI/LLMs are becoming super hot, so try to make some shitty web app that includes that.
Good luck, anons. It's really, really bad out there if you're just starting out or trying to make a lateral job change.
No. 1811611
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being a pushover is so fucking tiring, and i wish i wasn't like this. i asked if i could have someone cover my shift tomorrow, and they clearly didn't even try to look for anyone; they instantly responded saying that they don't have anyone, which is utter bullshit. there hasn't been a single instance where someone's covered for me, yet I've taken on so many extra shifts for people in the past (and even recently, even though i'm currently severely anaemic). thank god i'm going casual soon.
No. 1811958
>>1811955Do what you can in the next hour and leave the rest.
Also you should call off for 5 days and tell them to apply your PTO to your paycheck because fuck that.
No. 1811976
>>1811958I can't do much right now because anything I have to do now depends on other people and if they can answer their phones. I'm supposed to stop working at 6pm but always stop at 6:30 or 7pm because people always call me back too late.
>Also you should call off for 5 days and tell them to apply your PTO to your paycheck because fuck that.If I did that I'd already be on holidays, be late in my work, and my coworkers wouldn't be able to take on everything. It would backfire on me more than anything else. And I can't have these PTOs converted in money. My boss was retarded and refused some of the days I needed months ago because "what if you need them later" and now that it's "later" I'm overworked and we're not enough people for everything going on. You know what? Now that I'm typing this I think I'll slack off for today.
No. 1812050
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Trying to think of an occupation that won't
>get oblitared by AI
>pays well
>isn't something that would really want to make me kill myself like anything health related
No. 1812269
>>1811912I majored in business and graduated with honors solely because I was pressured into getting a "practical" degree. It didn't do much for me besides get me mediocre insurance agent jobs. I regret it because if I followed my desired "low value" niche and networked in that field, while learning business and marketing like a minor or side endeavor, I'd be making more money now. I went so far in the practical and general direction, that I am not specialized enough to stand out, and have >2k applicants just like me for every job I apply to.
Art history, if you plan your time well and know which organization you want to attach yourself to, is on the same level as any other non-stem degree in my opinion. If you make the most of the connection opportunities you get and do your best to intern at the museums or whatever are in your target area, and then maybe learn basics of business/marketing so you can do your own thing on the side if you ever want to, is not an automatic death sentence for a fruitful career. Especially if you can finance well and get as little into debt as possible, or get assistance with it.
The hard thing about picking a path in life is that common advice leads to common results.
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>>1812050I'm in the same boat. My husbando art/porn has some decent pull but I'd probably have to work my ass off to actually make a living. I might have to resort to health related shit but I'm a hypochondriac and I hate old people. Plus being something like a nurse is basically being a waitress with a nursing license and getting bullied by your coworkers is common. Have genuinely considered being a CO or CBP but I don't think I want to get tazed or pepper sprayed in the academy. Nor would I want to be locked in with murders or rapists.
>>1812109The more companies outsource to India the more I want to snap. My ex worked in IT and it was unbearable working with the Indians because their English was shit and they'd use a phone in a crowded and loud place. I'm not trying to racebait at all but that's literally how it is.
No. 1812442
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How can I even allow myself to do this
No. 1812491
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Is there a way to do this?
No. 1812515
Anons I finally got an offer for a contract to hire role that is going to pay more ($5-15k) than the full-time roles I was looking at. I didn’t go through a temp agency but just want to encourage entry-level anons to consider a contract to hire role because they might actually be better than looking for full-time positions atm. I know they have their own issues but god the situation for FTE entry-level in my city is fucking awful. The recruiter at the agency was an absolute angel from heaven too, I feel like agencies might be better/helpful recruiters compared to internal recruiters.
>>1812491More people should do this, but sometimes their manager will actually encourage it. I remember dealing with this awful hiring manager who had to be trying to fuck with me because she was scheduling interviews on wrong days, ignoring my emails, etc. I thought the recruiter was actually more competent than her but he ended up ghosting me too. I just wrote a bad Glassdoor review so the higher ups at the company can see it.
No. 1812847
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does anyone have good advice on how to begin preparing for interviews? Just the thought of them makes my brain shut down. Do you nonnies have any good tips for someone who doesn’t know where to start?
No. 1812916
>>1812847Unfortunately you really have to sell yourself nowadays and interview well to land a job. I suspect because a lot of people are highly skilled and seeking higher salaries due to educational standards raising, you need the extra oomph to stand out and make them want to hire you. This is what I learned by the end of my miserable suicidal 7 months of unemployment before I finally got an offer.
> Prepare some good questions beforehand. Google can help with the questions but ask a mix of practical ones about the team to show you're smart and perspective ones (like their view on the team's challenges, their opinion on where they see the company in five years) to connect with the interviewer.> Research the company. Then you are going to bring attention to your research (yes, literally say you printed out the company bio or read up on their press releases so they will explicitly know). Research a day in advance on the company by reading press releases, financials, Wikipedia, etc.> A lot of companies will ask you what your interest regarding the industry they're in. Frankly most of these industries are kinda irrelevant to us corporate people who just apply for specific jobs regardless of the company, so if you don't give a shit about the industry, then talk about the company's growth potential within that industry, like the market share and cite some press release where you can see the company expanding in their industry (like they opened a branch in Canada or something). Also you can try to talk about the potential of the team and the job duties you would like to learn more about.> Show active enthusiasm and attentiveness. Take notes during the interview even if you're just scribbling. Show enthusiasm and nod, say "yes", and react as they talk to show you're following. SMILE. Show extreme interest in the potential of the company and stress your desire for internal advancement and growth within the company.> Print out the job listing and go through it meticulously to have a few stories that will serve as evidence of your skills because they will ask those damn behavioral questions and want some evidence to get an idea of how you work in the workplace. Use STAR format for these story questions and try to avoid rambling if you can. > When they ask you to describe yourself, use the EXACT words or descriptors in the listing. Highlight them and write them down on a sticky note to reference in that interview to make sure you hit each one. I know this seems blatant but they will probably be happy at this point that you put so much effort into combing through the job listing and everything else that they'll hire you LMFAO.> Your last question you should end on is "Do you have any hesitations in hiring me?" so in the case that if they honestly answer what they're unsure about, then you can try to clear them up.Anyway if I think of any more tips I'll try to add them. I think I could write a book or sell a course at this point.
No. 1813058
Worked my ass off in my final year of high school to get into good unis and even got scholarships (don't pay enough for international students, 2000 Canadian barely covers books.), I did a year in a vocational school where my family moved to just as a wait to go to uni but turns out we couldn't afford to send me. I'm pretty demotivated and feeling a bit hopeless. Tried and still actively trying upwork but many don't respond or want rising talent or people from certain countries i.e Us only, UK, India. I sighed up as a 'job seeker' where I live and you are required to submit 5 job applications a week, tricky thing is I don't meet the language requirements to get most jobs here, don't have a license or any higher education so that leaves me with very few jobs that I have a chance of actually getting. I enter as many as I can find, mostly remote and also trying to allocate time to learn language and obtain B2 to increase chances of being able to apply for more. Land one interview, don't get the job and feel even worse, but keep trying despite crippling depression. Get message I'm not upholding to jobseeker agreement, considering opting out of being a jobseeker as it's just someone looking at what I'm doing rather than getting much assistance like it was advertised. And feel like just mindlessly applying to just meet the requirement only to not land anything is going to make continue spiralling. Going to try to arrange a meeting to see if I can get further assistance since they claim to offer help with education, internships or financial aid. Feeling it's going to go down hill as I haven't been submitting the required 5 jobs a week, but less. Maybe face to face will make things easier? Maybe it will make it worse… I am eligible disability money as I do have Major depressive disorder and other stuff but I haven't declared my mental health status because it will fuck me over long term and I don't generally mention it ever. You will be marked down as only being able to work 30%-50% as I have a friend who is on disability and they are marked down to not be able to to do more than that.
No. 1813778
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>job posting closes today
>interview was meant to be today but
>got rescheduled for monday
trying to take this as a good sign, i have a more days to prep, but i'm also nervous. please don't have closed the position, i really want and need this job.
No. 1813812
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I hate job aggregator sites that don't get rid of removed listing so much it's unreal.
Been trying to get a job near me for months now, and they all require either 5+ years of experience or a car (which I can't get due to not having enough money), and when I do find something that I can get to turns out the actual listing has been closed for hours or even days.
No. 1813814
>>1813058I agree with what
>>1813593 said. You need to keep those benefits. Your life will be way more stressful without them. Remember that most job postings online are BS or scams, so no need to spend your already dwindling precious energy on perfecting those applications. Meet the five-per-week requirement and only put effort into the legit ones, the ones that you want, or those that you are most qualified for. If it helps your mindset, think of applying to jobs as your current employment. You wouldn't give up on your work because of one failure if it meant losing your benefits and salary, would you? You have to keep moving forward.
No. 1814022
>>1813891Working like that will burn you out and send you to an early grave. You don't want to fit into that work culture! Some studies show people stop being productive after working a certain number of hours (around 5) and that taking breaks is good for overall well-being and job performance. Don't let them worry or change you,
nonnie.
No. 1814834
>>1813891As someone who comes from the country of la grande cuisine, where at work you get at least one hour of lunch break if not two, I don't get people who just snack as they work or don't eat at all. I live in another EU country where I only get a 30 minutes lunch break and it breaks my heart not to be able to sit down and enjoy my food without rushing. It really all depends on people's and countries' eating habits and also what the work law says (if it's reglemented or not of course), some prefer a short break or no break at all, some prefer a long break.
I just wouldn't care about the other colleagues, as long as they don't try to impede on my lunch break.
No. 1815040
>>1813814I wish I was autistic burger anon, thats somehow less of a handicap here than not being one.
>>1813814Thanks anon. I live in a place where cost of living is insanely high, there is no choice to cave into disappointment or be picky. My pace of applying had just gone down but thinking differently has helped. I'm still actively applying to the small pool I have due to my lack of qualifications apart from high school or meeting language requirements. I've applied to anything I can meet, snow shoveling, cutting fish, cutting wood, cashier, paid volunteer work, kindergarten assistant and all came out empty. Hopefully I'll land something soon or there will be a bigger pool of jobs available for me or I have a chance of getting benefits since I'm not on any.
No. 1816280
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Is getting a bachelors degree even worth it? I had the most average grades in high school, no extracurricular's, and didn't take the SAT/ACT. I didn't try to apply to any unis and went straight into community college. I found an associates program I think I would be decent at and started with it this fall. My parents are pushing me to get my bachelors; the plan is to graduate with the associates, work for a bit, then go back to community college and this time transfer to a uni. But I don't have any ambition or desire to pursue a bachelors. I wouldn't even know what to study and the transfer process seems very daunting. I feel like I'm stuck as a permanent wo(man) child who can't do anything and will never live up to my parents ambitions. I want to do something simple that even my stupid self can do and won't burn me out, I think an associates is perfect for that. Even so I can always go back to school later right? There is no rush to get my bachelors so soon (unless I really want money) and slightly above minimum wage is enough for me while I live at home.
No. 1816784
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>>1816303>>1816468Thanks for the insight! I guess I'll into transferring but maybe at a later time. On that note are there any fields or programs you guys would recommend? I've been weary of tech and most stem programs since I don't think I would well and also how screwed the market is for them. Technically going into healthcare is the easiest way to make a lot of money and always have opportunities but I don't want to do that either. Are there any "easy" (not really, just simple enough to do), well paying careers that don't take too long to get into ie no masters?
No. 1817836
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>>1817795I’d fucking believe it. Companies are always doing slimy shit for money. I swear I’ve applied to several jobs with relevant experience and haven’t gotten even one call back. And of course the same job listing is posted again like nothing happened. I’m losing it
No. 1817972
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>>1817836I just don't trust these job listings tbh, it's HR being scummy like always
No. 1818003
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>>1817795>>1817836>>1817972I'm genuinely not looking forward to finishing my education and start job hunting. Granted I don't live in the US but it's still bad here and companies keeps complicating the qualification process. Alot of my friends easily found jobs but they work in different fields than me and they are all intelligent and ambitious women
and I'm super proud of them and I love them but they had to do weird shit like taking psychology tests during the job interview.
My teachers in middle school where obsessed with teaching us how to make a good CV and they basically said "you should not under any circumstances break the mold of a traditional CV, but also employers refuse to read your CV if it doesn't break the mold and is innovative", and "employers are going to throw your CV out if it isn't eyecatching, but also if it's
too eyecatching you will never get hired".
I told my parents about my friends job interviews and the shit I was taught in middle school and they told me they didn't have to do all that when they where job hunting lol. It just feels so degrading like companies wants you to dance for them.
I'm passionate about what I do and I don't think I'm stupid but I'm not the top of my class either. I don't have much charisma either so I'm scared that I'm going to bomb all my job interviews. I also struggle alot with writing stuff like CVs I know you can pay people to make it for you but I still need a job to put on it. Like, I can't get job interviews because I don't have a CV, but I don't have a CV because I don't have a job?
it doesn't help either that I started my education late. If a company wants to hire someone without experience of course they will go for the younger person No. 1818025
>>1817972My coworker has been searching for part time jobs online and they showed me one that was obviously a scam (they received a check in the mail to buy gift cards for “company supply purchases”), it’s so infuriating. I recognized it immediately but not everyone has been in workplaces with a lot of scam drama
>>1816280Having an associates is a good start, I was able to get my first $20/hr job with an AS. I’m working on a BA now and I feel like having one of those will help get over some application hurdles, but during covid I did apply to jobs I didn’t feel qualified for. At this point I’m using uni and my current job for potential career paths through connections. I’m kinda salty about transferring into a BA program at 30 when I also need to work full time for my insurance, so I’d suggest doing it now if your family can help you out.
No. 1818257
>>1818232LinkedIn and Indeed are the same for me. I often see the same jobs reposted to both.
I'm frustrated because I did a final interview for a well-paid position after 4 interviews in total and a dumb psychology and aptitude test on top of that, only to be told that they decided not to hire anyone at this time. Last week another company told me they decided that they didn't want to hire anyone after all. I'm 100% sure most job listings are fake. I also haven't received so much spam, scam attempts and phishing attempts in my inbox since I started applying for jobs, even though I try to be super careful about every job listing I see. Luckily I have several email accounts and only use this one to apply to jobs, but while every other inbox stays empty, this one gets spam daily. Kill me now, kek.
No. 1818266
I feel so torn between absolutely hating my current job but also knowing that I should be grateful for having it. I never actually had to go job hunting because as soon as I graduated university I was hired and assigned a city to work at by the government. So reading all your experiences here…
oof>>1818008Once I was really fired after only half a day.
My teachers always told us to never work for Monsanto because they're so exploitative but the summer after high school I of course needed money, so I took their offer for working on a field. It was boring af, so I'm pretty sure I didn't actually do anything wrong but after lunch break some higher up came and told me they have too many workers here and since I'm the newest, I have to go…
No. 1818569
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>>1813778went in with such high expectations and i choked. they asked me a lot of tough scenario questions and my customer service skills are shit. and i answered a few easy questions wrong, i just got so nervous (mac vs ip address – i KNOW what that is, i just could not fucking think of it in front of the interviewers). god damn
No. 1818764
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help anons
should i become an accountant? i'm looking for a stable, mundane, and decently paying job. from what i can tell, most people view accounting as boring number crunching but i that sounds like exactly what i would want/be good at. i just want a normie office job ~
No. 1818836
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>>1818768i'm kind of similar in the fact that i make dolls as a side hobby while i mill around undecided in uni. current plan is to find something stable to make money in, save up, and neet for while with my dolls.
>>1818769>>1818781thank you nonas for the input.
No. 1819274
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>>1817795>most job listings are fake>Hard to get an interview even for something begginer like fast food or retail>Compaines "desperate for help" only to schedule one person to do the work of 3 peopleI pray that all nonnies are able to find employment somehow
No. 1819282
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As far as making money as an artist goes heard it’s better to start with an Etsy and then once you have a good rep you love your shop off of it. Or would it be better just to avoid Etsy all together? I heard they’re getting worse with the take downs and straight up taking down entire shops.
No. 1819294
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>>1817795I will always believe this. 10000%.
I applied for 50+ jobs in 2022 in my hometown. Followed up with all of them. Got 3 callbacks. I had to move to the biggest city near me cause there had to be more opportunities. Applied for 11, got like 3-4 callbacks. Okay, a bit better. However, one place that wanted to interview me was not able to schedule a time to come in. Ended up calling twice asking them when it would be good to come in. The lady (she was like their customer service, this was a small business) who I talked to said "Oh that's just how the Manager works!" Yeah no fuck that. Luckily I found a job right after that whole fiasco and have been working there for about a year.
Every time someone bitches about how nobody wants to work, I will always bring this up. There are plenty of jobs open. Why didn't I get a callback then if we are SO desperate?
No. 1819300
>>1819282I've seen many Instagram posts about this, etsy just banning stores that they claim "violated guidelines"
I read a comment on one post saying that dupe shops false report legitimate artists as dupe sellers to deplatform them and honestly I believe they're right.
I think it depends on what you make artist wise. The jewelry/charm trinket style artists are the easiest to copy alongside those who draw and sell merch of their art. I think if you make some kind of complicated handcraft you can skate by but jewelry and merch artists are the most targeted so beware if that is the type of art you are selling.
No. 1819736
My workplace has kind of an out-of-touch upper management with shitty communication, so my department has really high in-group loyalty and camraderie just from dealing with that. I'm the latest one to join them and I really feel like the odd one out. Even though I'm the "new guy", I feel like I'm one of the least enthusiastic people there, and yet I'm one of the most productive and fast workers just because I'm good at Excel-fu. Today we had a little Christmas thing, and it ended up leading into some pretty long ranty group conversation, where they obviously were venting about the management, but talked about loving our team. I don't feel like I could reflect the same emotions, and I'm afraid they might be onto me, and might soon realize I'm not a nice person and kind of a lazy colleague. I'm a robotic woman, largely motivated by money, but even I can recognize how rare it is to get such a non-toxic, benevolent and nice team together, but I'm not entirely sure how to get along with people who are just plainly better people than me. I'm not actually anyway as nice or considerate as any of them, and I often feel like I agree with the observations the upper management makes about us (such as workload not being excessive and that we work too slow in general), so I'm in kind of a cognitive dissonance because I also have to keep siding with my team, or else I feel like I'll poison the well.
No. 1824210
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>>1824162Anon you sound like a responsible and motivated self-starter. Its not your fault that your graduation coincided with the worst time in history to be seeking a role in your field of study. Your grit will carry you through this. Broaden your job search to include things that you just think you'd be good at or could tolerate (office admin roles, tech support, sales, literally whatever) while you save money and continue to build your skills. I do think that the web dev job market will recover eventually, but if there's something else you could see yourself doing, now might be a good time to teach yourself or pursue that thing. Best of luck to you
No. 1824277
my mother thinks freelancing is not a "sustainable" job. i can earn $30 (in local currency, so it's worth even more) or so for an hour of relaxing work, while having a basic bitch job i'd be earning way less and working way more. it's just a matter of getting enough commissions, but she scoffs whenever i get any and actually turns people down telling them im "busy". if i spent all day working on commissions on a "9-5" schedule, i would be swimming in cash. she doesn't seem to understand this.
she says i "can do it on the side, but need stable income". she doesnt understand that commissions can even be booked up for 2 years in advance. that's 2 years of stability. a 9-5 can fire you anyday, too. indeed i think having multiple clients "employing" me is more stable than being at the mercy of one.
mother gets angry when i advertise myself and try to hustle. she says "get a real job" "instead of wasting time playing childish games" and belittles me.
i think it is because she does not accept my career path and considers carpentry and various handyman work to be "below" me, because i have a masters degree (in history- it's useless). she is embarrassed of me.
besides, i love fixing windowsills for my neighbors, restoring furniture, carving figurines of saints and painting icons, painting baby portraits. i also have 2 gigs teaching local kids art, though that is glorified babysitting. doing all this makes me feel in touch with my community (i am very asocial otherwise) and makes me feel useful. i prefer it to having a repetitive desk job with no clear objectives or goals.
the classism and normie tunnel vision is pissing me off. she hated working behind a desk, but considers it a "serious and dignified" job that she sees me in as well.
i understand her "financial stability" concern, but she's wrong about that also.
sorry for the vent.
maybe i'm just childish, and she's right.
No. 1824290
>>1824281thank you.
i'm thinking of getting something part-time to get insurance and keep her happy. but there is no way i'm going to get a regular job full-time if i want to remain "in the market" with my art.
i genuinely worry the regular job will only take time away from me and reward me too little. the job market is terrible and chews people just to spit them out. i'm privileged in how i have the option to somewhat avoid it, and it feels like a waste to get into it. if that makes sense.
No. 1824389
>>1824382(Samefag, I didn’t realize what thread this was kek Sorry for the seeming bragging! Just wanted to encourage
nonnie over there. On the downside, nobody believes I can “make enough money online and earning in dollars” so everyone assumes I’m a camwhore kek so points for you all with socially acceptable jobs)
No. 1824436
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>apply for job #1
>have interview scheduled soon after – do very well, they offer me a position
>job #2 that i'd really love to have also calls me in for an interview that same week (i applied for this like a month ago)
>postpone accepting the offer for #1 because i thought i did okay in #2 and expected to get it
>get a call from #1 saying they've moved on to other candidates
>just got an email from #2
>"you were great :) but we've decided to go with someone else"
>right back where i started
can nothing go right for my autistic ass? am i just destined to work at a warehouse? i genuinely feel like crying but everyone i know irl is just going to yell at me that it's my fault. life is so tiring and bleak kek
No. 1824896
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>>1818836samefag
i've been looking into accounting and while i would be willing to do all the work the major + cpa would be, i'm not sure if the pay is worth it. also the fact that you work insane hours while only being compensated for the minimum 8. so my dilemma is, should i continue on the accounting path or do finance? i see a lot of accountants wanting to switch into finance since they are paid much more ~
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>>1824436Unfortunately you have to be as underhanded as employers in your mindset… and simply accept offers and cancel if a better offer comes.
It's not your fault you didn't know one of the many arbitrary sins of the fatties who run HR is that you should never postpone a job offer. Don't be to hard on yourself.
No. 1826390
>>1824277You're never going to get her to see sense. Don't tell her when you have work, don't let any potential clients speak to her at all, hide literally everything about your work from her. Definitely look into moving out if it's feasible. Your mother will do anything she can to sabotage you until you break and start making pennies at a suicide-inducing 9-5, then she'll gloat about it. Some people cannot pull their heads out of their assholes long enough to see how retarded they're being.
Also she sounds lowkey mad that you don't hate working. Playing childish games is getting you 2 years of stable income without any aneurysms or sleep deprivation, that's more than she got when she was miserable at her serious and dignified office lackey position. Boomers are truly desperate to make everyone suffer as much as they did.
No. 1829607
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>>1801622I want a cool work friend like Fenneko. Everyone here sucks
No. 1834160
>>1801622I put in my three weeks at a fast food company I have been with for two years. Two of these weeks I am on approved vacation and was set to work a couple of days when I went back.
The other morning I noticed I was kicked out of the work group chat and terminated. I asked my manager about this over text and she stated that
> 1/6 is a Sunday and you do not work those days so I cannot schedule youbut 1/6 is a saturday and i work saturdays and wrote for that to be my last day? after i said this she never responsed to my message…
i feel so fucking livid i know this is life and managers can show true colors but can i file for a week of unemployment or do i have no case? i had no write ups or talking tos nor was i notified that i was fired before my notice was up. she didnt even answer when i asked if i was dismissed early, just said 1/6 is sunday and stopped responding?
its been a couple days and i cant get over this and i know i need to. i want to bomb them with bad reviews or leave an honest one but i know its probably a waste of time. it just hurts.
No. 1834178
>>1801622I put in my three weeks at a fast food company I have been with for two years. Two of these weeks I am on approved vacation and was set to work a couple of days when I went back.
The other morning I noticed I was kicked out of the work group chat and terminated. I asked my manager about this over text and she stated that
> 1/6 is a Sunday and you do not work those days so I cannot schedule youbut 1/6 is a saturday and i work saturdays and wrote for that to be my last day? after i said this she never responsed to my message…
i feel so fucking livid i know this is life and managers can show true colors but can i file for a week of unemployment or do i have no case? i had no write ups or talking tos nor was i notified that i was fired before my notice was up. she didnt even answer when i asked if i was dismissed early, just said 1/6 is sunday and stopped responding?
its been a couple days and i cant get over this and i know i need to. i want to bomb them with bad reviews or leave an honest one but i know its probably a waste of time. it just hurts.
>>1832612 No. 1834372
>>1834178Screenshot ALL the messages about Saturday being your last day, any other Saturdays you worked, any confirmation your manager gave about you working Saturday (doesn't have to be this coming Saturday, any previous Saturdays are fine), your shifts, your contract, anything like that, and DO NOT tell her or any of your old coworkers that you're doing this.
See if there's anyone you can talk to before you file for unemployment, I'm not a burger so I don't know what the employment laws are like over there but you might be able to get your manager into hot water for what she did.
No. 1835049
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I work in a large company spanning multiple job sites. I am flexible with any hours, any shifts and any work site. I get shunted around without complaint to pick up slack for the various part time moms and all their schedules. Anyway, out of a team of 70- 2 of us will be rostered to one site on even given day. So the combinations of coworkers are endless- you might see someone once every 2 months etc. there is a turbo autist who would commit war crimes if she could. Anyway unfortunately we worked at another company together before this one and she directed all her hatred towards me and that has carried over into this job. She refuses to talk to me which is very difficult if we are operating dangerous equipment. Our manager has been aware of this for years. All of a sudden we have been rostered together after three years of being kept apart. I never call my manager or whinge about anything and do whatever they tell me cos I’m a complete doormat. Anyway I came straight out of the gate swinging and told her “I don’t ask for much- but I cannot work with .” She got all defensive like I wouldn’t have done that roster, it’s hard with sick calls etc etc. and I was pissed so carried on with “I will go to any site at late notice- we have 15 sites and 70 staff members I shouldn’t need to work with her if she won’t cooperate with me. If you cannot accomodate this request then you need to manage her and it needs to go through HR because she is the aggressor. And that sounds a lot more work than just not rostering us together.” Anyway the phone call did not end on a polite note so now I am worried I’ve fucked everything over some stupid autist I could’ve just swapped shifts around. Anyway thanks if you read this far. How much is “fuck you money” to rage quit a job if you have no debt and no other job lined up. 6 months of expenses? 12?
No. 1836850
>>1836809kek yeah it sounds like a major cope
maybe even an excuse for not having to work at all, afterall she will be 30 already lol
No. 1838541
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What would be the ramifications of lying to my job and saying I need to fly back home for two weeks because of “family reasons”? Assuming no one finds out I just need a break from my life. Anyone done it?
No. 1838695
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How do I know if I'll be fired or my manager reduced my tasks because I'm very obviously struggling?
I have very obvious ADHD and my manager recently told me that she noticed that switching between tasks seems to be difficult for me and therefore she will delegate some of them to a coworker. I honestly have no idea if this is genuine or a sign that I should start looking for jobs
No. 1838704
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Filled out a job application for the first time in years because my current job is just getting worse and worse. I'm pretty sure I fucked it a lil but idgaf anymore. either call me for an interview or don't. My days of doing appeasement dickriding during the hiring process are over kek.
No. 1838705
>>1838695Is your manager generally supportive/accommodating? If this feels in character for her and your workplace has a disability positive culture (obviously it's all corpo bullshit, but some workplaces are willing to make accomodations for the sake of looking progressive and retaining employees better) then it might be fine.
My workplace does the whole disability awareness/culture shit but I'd still be worried that I seemingly did poorly enough for my manager to notice and take that initiative, though.
No. 1839613
>>1817972i've known of companies who post job listings all the time but its just to avoid any legal issues or backlash because everyone they've hired is through recomendation. If you post your cv and portfolio without knowing anyone there it will go into the trash, unread.
They call nepotism "networking" nowadays and as an eternal shut in with bad social skills from low income background it makes me want to do a flip.
No. 1839639
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absolutely sick and tired of ppl from my work just not showing up or being late EVERY shift and not getting in trouble but i call in sick 3 times 4 hours before AND got people to cover my shift for me but i get in trouble?
after i had to go home bc of a migraine i got a warning (?!) and was told next time i should call in ahead of time SO I DO AND I GET ANOTHER WARNING?! this is so bullshit im sick of being punished for being ill i have an immune disorder why did they hire me after knowing this and then get mad when im sick??? why did they hire me after KNOWING that?? so fucking stupid i hate this i want to be a neet in a depression pit again but also pls dont fire me
No. 1839649
>>1839639Wow I wish I could have a phone call with you right now to explain all the stupid reasons this is happening to you because I have intimate knowledge of it from past jobs as a supervisor/manage privy to staff meetings and the HR stuff that bosses don't tell employees. If this is
anything like where I worked the reason you are seeing inconsistent enforcement of the Time & Attendance policy is because your bosses are lazy (they don't check employee punches in a timely manner / writing up people is work so they don't go looking for it) and you are telling on yourself (you call, someone records the tardy in a spreadsheet or on a piece of paper, now there's a paper trail that your boss is accountable for). Now that you're in hot water you don't really have the option of not telling on yourself, because their eyes are on you and there is probably some stupid jargon in the handbook that says that's an Unexcused Tardy and immediately terminable or something retarded. (You need to read the handbook if you haven't btw, do not rely on manager's interpretations because they will only tell you what they want you to hear.)
>im sick of being punished for being ill i have an immune disorder why did they hire me after knowing this and then get mad when im sick??? why did they hire me after KNOWING that?? Use that! Laws vary but where I worked all the bosses were scared shitless of firing someone that could claim they were fired due to illness, because if it went to court that employee would win and more importantly (to the boss) it would reflect poorly on the boss who fired them. You could probably get your write-ups wiped off the record if you have some Drs note or some kind of paperwork that explains you need accommodation for illness (as much as you're comfortable disclosing – you don't have to tell your job any real medical details, that's private; your doctor might have advice on this if needed). Do not be afraid to go to a higher level boss with this! if you have a middleman supervisor jump right over them, and mentions to their boss the way the policy isn't being fairly enforced too because
that's a possible discrimination lawsuit if you're a protected class lol not sure you want to go down that road but trust me they're thinking it No. 1840935
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>tfw went for degree in cs>just hoping for a simple office role when i get out >fast forward a year>desperately applying to fast food joints and janitor positions and warehouses because i desperately need cash coming in by the end of feb, my savings are gone >too autistic to get hired anywhere else i suppose (16 interviews, one offer got revoked due to hiring freeze, i'm also this anon >>1824436)>mother not even hiding her excitement that i a.) won't be able to move out b.) can continue to serve as her live-in wallet c.) will be "humbled" after daring to go off to college in hopes of getting out of this awful, small, shitty town i'm tired. tired of telling people how tired i am kek. will working in a warehouse seriously fuck up my hands? i like to draw, i don't want them to break on the boxes and shit
No. 1843373
>>1841747>>1841075i think i will go for anything else yeah. my mom said working the warehouse was the worst time of her life
(and she also said she wants me to try applying there kek…i could've posted this in the vent thread but god what a cunt). maybe janitor work won't be so bad
No. 1845311
>>1844072I hope another anon will be able to give you more detailed advice (or another perspective), but one thing that seems "obvious" to me is that you shouldn't tell her all your ideas in a way that gives away your solutions to her issues before you're hired. But of course, your ideas and more generally your knowledge of the company, your analysis of the situation and your past performance are big advantages for your application, so you should mention them. After expressing your motivation etc., you can tell her that you've identified X areas with room for improvement, or that you've identified the main challenge for this business, and that you've been working on X measures that could be taken to improve X / solve X / achieve X (you can prepare a presentation if the meeting allows for that). Only you know how much detail you can give, but basically, I don't think you should hand over all your work before you're sure you're hired. Even if you're on good terms, it seems a bit risky to me, she could be wondering why you left only to come back a year later or something else. In any case, good luck anon.
>>1844304What's your job?
>>1844779You're not a failure anon, it's hard for so many people these days..
No. 1846675
>>1802134>>1807251>>1811930My people!
I still love science but have really come to hate biomedical lab work. I went into this field to do research, not stare at a centrifuge and listen to my coworkers’ vapid gossiping all day. They did not tell me that loving trashy reality tv and talking shit was a job requirement. But when I complain to my family they suggest I go into nursing instead because “they’re always looking for nurses!”. Yeah no shit, it’s a horrible job and no one wants to do it. From the frying pan into the fire. I’ll take the centrifuge.
>>1839613Yeah this happens all the time and they fucking laugh about it. One guy bragged to me about how two hundred people applied to the listing for the job he had already been given, and all of them were tossed in the bin without a look. Apparently they’re legally obligated to have a publicly available job listing but not to interview anyone. The guy was borderline incompetent too, and lazy as fuck. He spent more time hanging around the coffee machine than in the lab but our supervisors didn’t care because they hired him for his personality, not his skills or work ethic. All the work he didn’t “get around to” got dumped on me. Most of my colleagues were the same so nobody appreciated it when I pointed out the wildly (and easily verifiable) uneven distribution of work in our group. And as much as I would have loved to burn that bridge to cinders, I had to suck it up because needed the reference and their “network”.
No. 1846734
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I start my new shitty job tomorrow which pays more than my last shitty job. there's so many scam listings it's been hard to find anything real for low entry level grunt work type shit tbh. my grandma is offering to help me pay off some debt that would allow me to go finish the degree I was working towards prior to the onset of bipolar disorder though, so maybe hope is just around the bend. she's a genuine meanie head narcissist, as in the personality disorder, but I will kiss ass if that means I can get a better job and pamper my little cat. and maybe one day adopt a little chihuahua. fingers crossed I guess.
No. 1846939
Depressed. A human contacted me regarding a job, but the hours and pay are terrible. How are people dealing with this??
I just would like an office job, 9-5….looks like I can add that to my list of stupid dreams.
>>1846675God this happened to me anon. He always has excuses about why x wasn't done but apparently everyone thinks he is God's gift to mankind. This makes me so mad, they are running a company, not a party.
No. 1846987
i'm on my last few days at my shit job from here
>>1764339 and it's so weird. my bosses are ignoring me completely. another coworker is leaving in a few weeks and they are signing a card for her and gathering money to buy her a gift. i don't think they are doing that for me. they also usually buy us food on special occasions and let us know beforehand so the secretary can gather our orders. this isn't happening either. i just come to work every day, do whatever work is there, and then i sit at my desk and fool around until it's time to leave. at this point i just hope i'll get my reference letter without any delay because i'm not in the mood to bother my boss about it for weeks after i've already left.
No. 1848037
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>>1848008Wait till the zoomie finds out those things were traded in exchange for upwards social mobility and its only gonna get "better"
No. 1848049
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>>1848041>Eventually with millennials and Gen Z taking over, things might actually change for the better.lol, bless your hearth
No. 1848063
>>1848052Thanks anon, I hope so too. I know there’s a lot to be pessimistic about and I don’t want to come off as naive bc yeah I know wages are shit compared to what we could have made 50 years ago for the same productivity. HOWEVER I think there are some wins that we can celebrate and view as positive changes in the workplace. I think there likely will be some millennials who have history from past
toxic workplaces with boomer leadership that will still try to uphold those old corporate standards and there will still be terrible Gen Z and millennials bosses who have unreasonable expectations, like to torture their subordinates, etc.
No. 1848067
>>1848041>productivity vs wages graph>WFH or a hybrid work schedule is a huge step in the right directionthat only works for white collar office jobs. the essential jobs like waste management, water treatment, medicine, agriculture, textiles, construction, logistics, manufacturing –basically everything that provides us with the physical needs of life will never be WFH. and they are a large part of the stagnant wage problem. I don't think you're really talking about them but the vast majority of people who need an increase in wages are not in any kind of field that could ever be WFH.
>>1848008>Wasn’t worker productivity higher than ever with the pandemic (when everyone was remote) or something?productivity went up because every business did massive layoffs and the people left picked up the slack and were doing the work of multiple people.
No. 1849254
>>1849222It's better and worse than school. Better because you get paid and don't necessarily have to do any work at home (not having to study or do assignments is the biggest relief istg), but worse because you have to do it forever. School has an end date, work just looms in front of you forever and gives you existential crises.
For what it's worth, when I had a job with hours 7-3, it did actually feel like school because of the early finish.
No. 1853843
>>1853726Are you thinking of living solely off being a nude life drawing model? None of the ones I've met do it for a living, it's always something they do as a little extra income on the side. That being said the setting is entirely non-sexual, but there are obviously moids who sign up for these courses thinking they get to ogle a naked lady for hours, so as long as you can handle that you'll be fine.
An old colleague of mine, a 50 year old man, is a nude model for an art museum which hosts the same free workshop every year where anyone who signs up in time is allowed in. His favourite part of the job is apparently to see how many young men leave the auditorium the moment they realize they'll be staring at his doughy, dangly body and not some hot chick, kek.
No. 1853850
>>1853726Humiliating. You're getting spineless responses from anons but don't do this. Obviously its not the same as prostitution but its clearly objectifying and is blatantly humiliating.
>As someone who love drawing from nude life model, I know it's a respectful settingtopkek
No. 1853877
>>1853850i've been to many nude live drawing sessions and its more akward than anything and people really do keep to themselves and focus on their work.
Its one of the least sexually appealing settings ever.
No. 1854715
>>1853873>>1853736>>1853741>>1853764>>1853884Thank to all nonnas for the advices ! I was wondering what other women who also took drawing class think of it.
>>1853843also
>An old colleague of mine, a 50 year old man, is a nude model for an art museum which hosts the same free workshop every year where anyone who signs up in time is allowed in. His favourite part of the job is apparently to see how many young men leave the auditorium the moment they realize they'll be staring at his doughy, dangly body and not some hot chick, kek. kek nonna that hilarious.
No. 1855075
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>>1840935Same boat. This degree was so difficult to get. Yet now I feel like it was all for nothing and I'm just right back to how shitty my life was before it. I knew the degree alone wasn't enough, but I did an internship and still nothing.
Last year I was extremely confident my life's positive trajectory would be continuous from now on. It never is, it never is.
No. 1855300
>>1855280Who tf gets sued for 'not working on company time'?? If you have downtime, that's on management. Pretty much everyone is gonna do some online shopping or google stuff at work unless the company is very strict.
Maybe a good strategy would just to be opening your personal email in the web browser and emailing yourself fic? It's not like your email is a suspicious looking website. Realistically, you should assume IT can see what you're doing (if you have IT in a company that small). But there's a good chance they don't bother looking or care and you wouldn't get in any trouble even if they did know… so my issue with writing fanfic at work is that it would be humiliating af if anyone saw what you were doing. Maybe your fanfic is not embarrassing and you don't care if anyone knows, but I would die if anyone knew what fic I read let alone write kek.
All that being said, I did get in trouble once for wasting time on the internet at work. I had a snitch coworker unfortunately, it was embarrassing because it was a kpop forum and I was reading weird threads lmao.
No. 1855589
>>1855560not every single company will but yeah, this is not a lie.
Also you might check your contract, some companies feel entitled to everything the worker produces even if its not company time. I remember a few years ago about a woman who wrote a children's book in her free time while she was employed at some wagie office job and when it started selling they did sued her over it.
No. 1855722
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this job pays $8 an hour and is listed as "entry level". fucking bleak. i also haven't heard back from anything i've applied to this month (not even a rejection email). are they sniffing out the fake company on my resume or what
No. 1855744
>>1855280Why not write by hand? You look busy and your company can’t see what you’re doing.
>>1855722Seems like a fake post to me,
nonnie. Indeed is mostly scams these days. It’s rough out there.
No. 1856441
>>1855280 here. Probably just going to risk it tbh, because I really don't suspect a keylogger and can't find anything like that when I root around. I'm going to steal this idea though
>>1855588 because it assuages my biggest paranoia of having my work saved to the file directory or my internet access being brought up. Thankfully, I don't write porn or anything NSFW beyond being a little cringe, so hopefully they find it charming and productive instead of embarrassing and a breach of their work guidelines if I ever get caught. I'll let you all know if I lose my job over fanfiction though
No. 1857016
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cool…
No. 1857150
>>1857016This is a red flag and I wouldn't apply again. Either:
>Company is too retarded to sort through candidate. You want these people to be in charge of you?or
>extremely unrealistic and wants their perfect little princess 5+ years experience at intern pay enployee. Again, you want these people to be in charge of you? No. 1857182
>>1846967lol yes, I see my classmates taking their return offers or having lined up jobs at places like Microsoft but I now have nothing because I ditched my return offer to do something else.
I'm trying to find a job and there's places replying but every single one that does is giving me a technical assessment. And I can't pass one to save my life. I feel like such an incompetent loser and idiot. I wouldn't have to be going through any of this right now if I had just taken that return offer.
No. 1858506
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>>1857016Please god, make a meteor hit the earth soon
No. 1858516
>>1858503When I finished defending I had no real desire to continue in academia so switching to industry wasn't a very hard decision. I fell into my current role, it has nothing to do with what I wasted 5 years of my life on but it pays fairly well. You should be able to pivot into high level PM or protocol writer roles. What did it for me was attending my society's conferences and getting myself on their radar. If that's not financially feasible you should talk to your alumni services, they helped vouch for me to get a decent job postdoc. Be aware this job market is awful so you won't be able to land something without a referral.
Congratulations on finishing as well, that's no easy feat.
No. 1859082
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I think 6 or 7 people in total are quitting in the span of one month. It's insane because we're in two countries, our client in from my country and instead of hiring more people here to complete our team the higherups are hiring unqualified people who don't know shit about the language, the market and laws here to do a proper job because it's cheaper. It's to the point where one of the people who are quitting is actually just not renewing his contract because the company doesn't want to keep paying him because they don't have the money for that. This is a project that started in mid-2021 and one of the first people who started with me left after her contract was over and speculated that this idea of asking for help from our "coworkers" from abroad would result in our boss outsourcing our jobs little by little to that cheaper country so I should fuck off asap before it's too late, and I believed her but I didn't think it would happen so fast.
I have a permanent contract and was promoted a few months ago and our contract with the client will last at least one more year. I'm praying that I'll find an apartment before that date so if anything goes wrong I'll just get fired because I'll be useless and expensive for the company so I would still earn unemployment benefits for some time and I'll be able to chill and find something else at my own pace. But this is really scaring me, as if we weren't overworked enough, now we're even more understaffed than ever. By the way, my manager refused to let me take a 2 weeks long break exactly when we'll have nothing to do before we get more workload and it pisses me off. I'm still getting a week, I'm not sure that's long enough to properly rest.
No. 1859683
Bit of a long/spergy post sorry nonas
So I finished my degree in December and have since since been undergoing the process of applying and being interviewed for a specific organisation. I know I shouldn’t get too excited I have to do medical etc and they can reject me for seriously dumb stuff if they feel like it.
But, so far, I’ve applied for a role that uses my degree (sort of) and genuinely sounds interesting. Gives me a chance to have good career progression, as I work my way up I might actually be involved in some decisions that might actually prevent bad things from happening to people around the world, good pay/housing benefits, could go to cool places and after a few years, switch to a comfortable government job in the same sector. slightly glowy aspect but only within the organisation for preventing harm kek Mandatory work period is 9 years which seems a lot but I feel it’d go fast
BUT, I passed the aptitude test for the organisation super well (not a humble brag providing context , I’m surprised I managed though. Maths and I don’t get along) and can apply for literally any job in the organisation. Meaning the pipe dream I had until about four years ago before I became a cynical, ‘cost of living’ and ‘no time or money for hobbies just focus on being sensible’ influenced bitch is available. My mum is happy to have me at home and I help out/she likes the company so it’s my own nerves making me this way and worrying about rent etc. Anyway, if I have the guts to change my application, I could do it. I always wanted to work with animals- I interned at a vet, worked at a marine park with dolphins for a few days and adored it and I used to make cash by grooming peoples horses and exercising dogs before pursuing my degree (which I did enjoy, it’s related to my interests but not my biggest ones). If I wanted to, I could apply tomorrow. The pay not as good, no real, career progression, work itself would be repetitive but I’d be, at least for four years (way less time than the other) have my curiosity satiated and so I can focus on a better career in future.
Logically I know all things point to the first option/s if I make it and that I can and will always work with animals on the side/have pets (part of the reason I want this is so I can get a house for me and my dog) But I’m 25 this year, I’m still young and now is the time to do ‘crazy’ things I didn’t get to do before/won’t in future.
I realise this is a bit cryptic and that no one but me can choose (if I make it lol) but I’d love any insight or for someone to slap some sense into me. My siblings all had very definite career paths and I’d be the first in my family to pursue this kind of thing so I’m lost with no one to speak to except here for the moment
No. 1859773
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I'm so tired of these incredibly weird job ads that want me to grovel and beg through several paragraphs. This is an entry level position in a specialised field, it's a fucking google form, but I'm expected to put in so much effort and humiliate myself so much for the chance to get paid crumbs.
No. 1860002
>>1859948Take screen shots/recordings and archive the account, then sit tight. You should hold your cards until he crosses a line. Document everything in the meantime. Godspeed,
nonnie.
No. 1860336
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i wish i knew what to do with my english literature degree. i graduate in late 2025 and am a bit uncertain.
archiving and library are competitive, low paying fields. but secure and fulfilling!
teaching english to young children seems nonexistent in terms of esl/dangerous and stressful in a classroom.
im thinking i can just go for my masters and work in academia? or i wonder if english tutoring could work as a freelance thing and give me good work life balance?
i dont want to be rich. just stable, fulfilled, and have time to work on the things i love. maybe id land a job somewhere outside of my degree.
at any rate, im just dreading the 9-5. i want to work for myself, i really enjoy doing that right now with animals. maybe ill become a ballet teacher and english tutor both in my late 20s.
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I finished my second day at my new job and I cried again
No. 1861062
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Any nonnas work in education? I'm worried the place I'm at got sued again and it's going to cause a closure. Stupidly tiny non-profit college that was already short-staffed. I'm not faculty, but basically support staff (paper-pusher/assistant/odd jobs). Not sure if I should jump ship now or ride it out because money. If anyone's been in a company/school closure and dealt with the same, please share experiences.
tl;dr
>couple years ago, the institution was sued by ex faculty for a mess of state-level issues
>stuff like dogshit adjunct pay, not paying for breaks, obscene working hours, wrongful termination, etc.
>enough people wanted to join that the judge sent it to class action
>that by itself paid out about 1/3 of what the school makes in profit y/y
>I was warned there was another lawsuit pending around summer
>fast forward to ~17 weeks ago until now
>resident manager quit
>assistant to the departments quit
>dean of academic affairs quit
>maintenance staff, IT, multiple reception/events positions quit
>1 department chair quit
>it's possible the dean of undergraduate affairs quit, because that person doubled as said department chair
>both admissions coordinator and admissions counselor quit over break
>multiple faculty members quit at random times, left a few classes in limbo
>new hires are ALL either existing grad students or straight nepotism. to their credit, they DO have relevant jobs, but these are ALL immediate family, masters students, or VERY recent graduates
>undergrad has been feeling it since staff communication is a disaster and it's hitting faculty
A few positions were filled again (1 receptionist, some events person covering resident life, the assistant to departments… that's it). I genuinely expected to be laid off, but somehow I was given more regular hours. My guess is someone different left. I've not heard back about why so many people quit, all have been really sudden contract breaks and they peace out without saying much at all. Are we fucked? I know usually this shit just leads to bail-outs and a restructure, but this was all over 1 semester.
No. 1862150
>>1862143They just sent it with deadline without asking you when you'll be able to start? That's weird af
Maybe explain you didn't expect it so you can't start right now, but you will later?
No. 1863311
>>1861129Turn up about 15 minutes late, attach yourself to a group, smile and nod, wander around a bit. Attach yourself to a different group, wander off. Re-attach yourself to the same group, repeat. By this time you'll have been seen by anyone who's keeping track of attendees as well as other members of staff. Leave as soon as it gets crowded. Don't tell anyone you're going or offer any explanations, just go. If anyone asks why you're not at the neckbeard convention, say you're going later, since it's an all day event. Go back for like 15 minutes every 2 or 3 hours. You'll be seen by multiple people at multiple times, you won't waste 3 hours of your day on scrote games, and you'll be able to do your job.
And your company sounds retarded, sorry. Your output is suffering because you're trying to do your job correctly. Use all the shortcuts you can, as long as you hit the numbers and don't fuck up too bad your bosses won't care.
No. 1863414
>>1863394You're right
>>1863411Touchy
No. 1863843
>>1863414>someone venting about the job market in a thread for doing so is touchyshocker
why is lc full of cunts now? it genuinely seems worse than usual
No. 1864061
>>1864056Wait fuck, I cant read. You said you want to work for yourself and being a teacher is literally the opposite of that, nvm.
Maybe freelance writing? Editing? Could be a nice side hustle at least
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>>1863849it's too late; i managed to beat out a solution for the first problem, but the second confused me. it involved a dto and i didn't know what that was at the time, or how to make sense of it in relation to the code
No. 1864557
>>1862143So I failed it ofc, I'm sad nonnies.
>>1863385That's actually insane, why would they try to get you for a programming job if it's not what you applied to? Some skills are transferable but not necessarily. HR is weird.
I don't mind take home projects (though most of them are just doing free work for them, it's exploitative and gross and one day is not enough time wtf), for me it's just those stupid "challenges" that track your browser activity and don't even let you copy and paste (having to manually write down a url is stupid). They're not even close to what an actual work environment is and what you're expected to do.
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what the fuck is this. a cult?
No. 1866377
>>1866331Good luck, you got this!
>>1866354KEK I also have permanent IT issues and connection issues with my camera, I don't understand why these dipshits insist on seeing my face when we're speaking. It's always the retards who spend half an hour on some drivel that could have been a very short email who have an obsession with cameras too.
No. 1866947
>>1866935I work 4 days on/4 days off, and my hours vary- usually 6-4 on a weekday and 6-2 on a weekend, but often less and occasionally more.
9-5 would actually ruin my life, if I ever lose this job I'm going to have to work part time because I can't go back to it. Even if I was going to work 40 hrs a week, I'd do an early shift so I have the afternoon free to get shit done. I can't do anything before 9 or after 5, it's the worst.
No. 1866999
>>1866985r>>1866980
I have a dwi but they're supposedly fair chance so I just really need this whi8le I finish my probation the summer so bless you both
No. 1867436
>>1866935Compared to my old hotel shifts (7:30AM-4PM/10:30AM-7PM/2PM-10:30PM guess which one I did less of in the three years I worked at a hotel. If you guessed the early one, you're correct), I'm satisfied with 8:30AM to 5PM/9:30AM to 6PM. Sure it's still hard to motivate myself to go for my Wednesday after work swim, especially since my department leader always needs to put a team meeting at 8:30AM when we close up shop at 6PM. But I try to make the most of it.
I also work at least one weekend per month and some bank holidays too (I'm in the tourism industry), only from 9:30AM to 3PM, but I get two days of to compensate the weekend shift, and I can take the two days off within the next 14 days, and have a long 4-day weekend instead. I usually catch up on chores at home or travel somewhere near in that case. I really can't complain when it comes to the normal schedule.
However we have the UEFA soccer cup this summer as the country I'm in is the hosting country, so we're going to have to plan a third location where my colleague and I are working most likely the whole 31 days (even though we only host four games) from 1PM to 9PM. On the days where we have soccer games played here from 11AM to 9PM. THAT schedule is going to suck ass, and the town is going to be full, including my public transports to get back home after a shift because I live past the football stadium.
No. 1867637
>>1866935i'm starting my new job next week but in my old job i worked from 8-8:30 until 4:30-5:00, 40 hours/week, with 30 minutes of break every day. i also had two hours of commuting so my schedule was:
>6:15 am: get up>6:55 am: leave to catch train>8:00-8:30 am: arrive at work (earlier or later, depending on which train i got, if there was a delay, etc.)>4:30-5:00 pm: leave work>6:00-6:30 pm: arrive at homei didn't do shit after work. i just came home, made dinner, took a shower and went to bed. rinse and repeat. my new job is a 15 minute walk from my apartment and 37 hours/week. my new boss said he doesn't care when and how i work so i guess i could work 6 hours one day and then 10 hours on another day, but we'll see. i hope i can work from 7 am to 3 pm so i have more free time.
No. 1867653
>>1866935I take public transit to and from my 8-5 job (we get an hour for lunch) because I don't drive
5:30 - get up for work
6:45- leave to catch my bus
7:40 - get to work
8:00 - work starts
5:00 - leave work
5:15 - catch my bus home (sometimes I'm able to scoot out a few minutes early and get an earlier bus)
6:30 - get home
So yea, it does cut into my time a lot compared to when I can get a ride kek. By the time I get home I'm tired and only get a couple hours to unwind before I have to go to bed so I'm not dead the next day. I have even less time for hobbies now that I have to study and do homework for a night class I'm taking.
No. 1867730
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>>1867660Did you just compare having acne to dressing like shit on purpose?
No. 1867831
>>1867807Casual wear does not include a smelly hoodie, you terminally online zoomer
>>1867818You honestly sound super insufferable and have no world experience.
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No. 1868062
>>1868012Now 3 weeks into my first sales job, and it's great! Seconding what
>>1868022 says though, you have to be built for it. I have great coworkers and good products that I feel confident selling people on, and customer service is my favorite type of work to do, so it's really clicking for me. Whereas the most recent hire before me seems to be having a lot of trouble because he's very meek/nervous and seems like a slow learner. My manager seems to be getting frustrated with his performance and I'm waiting to see what happens to him after his 90 day review. So even if you land a great place to work, you need to be someone who can be confident/outgoing to feel comfortable.
No. 1868078
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I wanted for years when I was younger (in high school and the beginning of college) to be a freelance artist, and I finally accepted I just cannot do that. I need structure, leadership, and feedback based on policy and directives and not personal taste. I still paint from time to time but it's just not realistic as a career for me. Totally restructured and moved into a job in security and it feels more natural. There's a rule for everything. I also have enough independence to do things at my own speed. I have also considered law enforcement but that's TBD. I live in a semi-liberal U.S. state, so there is a constant push and pull between party lines considering what police are "supposed" to do. I think I would get frustrated and burn out really quickly.
>>1867963A rule of thumb I try to go by is to dress a step above the manager who will be interviewing you. Which for retail pretty much always means to avoid hoodies, sweats, and sneakers. If it's a fancy retail store, it probably has a uniform of some sort, so it makes sense to dress business casual for the interview. I try to stick by that rule because it takes the guesswork out lol.
No. 1868610
>>1868376>>1868414Thanks anons, it’s been hell lately bc while I finally got a job after over half a year of unemployment, I feel like I’m on thin ice all the fucking time. He was saying these comments about a contract being great since I can just part ways if I don’t like it since the first day that I got there before I even had a chance to prove myself! Yet the recruiter was telling me how much they wanted me beforehand when I got my offer and my manager initially bumped up my salary from what I was initially asking for to try and compete with other offers. I’m so confused as to what is going on, I guess I’ll just have to try and fix my resume, and then schedule interviews discreetly.
>>1868568It was with a professor in my department so I just put my university name down. I have other references but if I had to I would just ask the professor or the teacher of that course to be a reference.
No. 1869633
I have to talk to my corporate manager about being taken off of one of the properties I analyze for and I’d like advice. It’s not a question of asking, I need to be removed and no longer work with her directly. It’s a lot, will break it into two posts. I hit a breaking point on Friday after about seven months of her being cruel to me. She goes out of her way to say mean things to me, she tells other I don’t support her, she will not do work that is assigned to both of us, she refused to learn one system we use that I am adept in so she would pile work on me for those properties, if I make an editing error (like leave an extra line in a report that usually is edited out) she berates me like I destroyed something or lost revenue. I’m not perfect, but I am very good at my job and have been excelling. I have seven properties total, and my managers and the teams at those other six (this manager was actually pulled off two of those and replaced with another and it’s been night and day- she was pulled because they were not generating the way they should have) all love me and I really do go above and beyond, and I’m very proud of the work I put out for them:
>I went on vacation for a week, and brought my computer with me to work half days. She was aware of this, and forced me to work full days instead by saying “it wasn’t on the calendar so she didn’t know” then directly said to me that she knew it was happening, but she couldn’t go easy on me and laughed about it. You don’t put half days/intermittently working on the calendar.
>she had me do the laborious work on the budget for an entire property, while she directed the process to get the budget approved/meetings, but also gave me all of her work for three properties because she was busy with all three budget processes.Typically managers will do less projects or meetings during this time- she instead gave me more. She would berate me for cutting deadlines close, and in the next sentence assign me something new after I explained my workload needs to adjust if the deadlines she sets are what she wants.
>I worked a full eleven hour day, took a break, and finished the budget and two meeting presentations from 2am-11am. I messaged her the files are there for her to edit and upload, I felt sick (didn’t tell her it was from exhaustion until later and she said something like “sometimes that’s just what you have to do”) and was signing off.
>when I started the next day, she told me I immediately needed to edit and upload the budget, there were a few days the numbers needed to be adjusted. I thought I must’ve made a huge error and it was a ton of work. It was not. I timed myself, it took seven minutes to edit and upload the budget file. She had the team wait 24 hours for seven minutes of work, and when the team asked for deadlines to not be so close, she blamed me.
>I realized she had been taking credit for my work. She would say “we” for things that were all me, or if she asked me to do something and I confirmed only with her, she’d say she did it. This includes one massive project for the entire company that she didn’t touch.
>assigned an entire project to me after I sent a resource to her team without asking me if I had the capacity for it (I don’t)
>texted me to tell me I have shitty communication because I clarified I would not be doing her presentation slides while I was on vacation
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No. 1869643
>>1869633oh my god that looks horrible I’m sorry nonnies I will try to make it less horrible to read- so the Friday final straw was when she’d asked if I had time to do something for her, I said I could if it took less than an hour. It was not a task that takes less than an hour. I didn’t respond to her because busy. We had a one on one meeting the next day, and she asked about the task saying “the task you said you’d do” and something in me snapped and I said “you mean the task that I said I’d do if I had time, and then I didn’t?” and she seemed surprised and then went “well, you didn’t respond so I didn’t know what was going on” so I just let the silence sit and listed out what I need to do that day, and said “so you also want me to do that, after our meeting at 5:30. You want me to do multiple hours of work at 5:30?” and she was silent. Then asked “I mean did you need help?” And I said nope, I got it and I’m going to hang up now so I don’t work late again. She tried messaging me that she spoke with someone about moving the deadline for me… and I realized she must’ve told this person it was my task and I was the one that didn’t have it done yet? I blocked her phone number, muted and hid her messages on the messaging app we have. I am planning to do the work I am assigned for her, will speak with my corporate manager and tell her I’m no longer comfortable speaking with her directly and need to be removed. I had told this corporate manager just a few weeks ago that she has not been professional towards me for months, and I thought doing good work would fix that, and that it’s been hostile and I needed a manager to be aware it was happening if it didn’t improve. I just don’t know if going to her and saying I’m refusing to work with her is the right way to go, but I can’t do it anymore. It’s been months and it’s like she’s trying to punish me, it all feels malicious and I’ve never dealt with something like this before.
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No. 1869699
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>>1867701never mind nonnies we are so fucking back
No. 1871499
>>1870033Anon you’re not alone, I applied for like a year for grad school related stuff until i got my first offer in some general business/finance corporate role that pays my ideal salary, it’s nearly double what I would be making working in my field. I find the work boring but right now I just have to be grateful that I can earn this much and save some money while living at home unlike my peers who took government jobs in random cities and have no savings to their name.
Having a job is way better than having no job though, or at least that’s what they say. Keep applying and trying, this job market is awful because so many experienced people have been filling entry level jobs. The only entry level jobs these days that seem to not have so many experienced people competing are those internship programs that require you to be in school.
No. 1872015
>>1871839I don't find anything much more compelling than work though. Lunch is such a waste. Spend 30 minutes in an office environment and do nothing, it feels like a timesink. It is too dangerous in this area to take a walk.
I get why they care, but I've offered multiple solutions.
No. 1872021
>>1872015It's great that you have a job that you find so rewarding, and you're lucky that your employer isn't trying to take advantage of you, but if you carry this mindset across all your jobs in the future you're setting yourself up for serious exploitation. I understand being in the zone at work and not wanting to interrupt that, but you're going to burn out sooner or later. Without proper rest your health and productivity are going to suffer if they haven't already. You feel fine right now, but it'll happen eventually whenever it does creep up on you.
Could you take up a simple hobby like reading or drawing to fill the time you feel like you have to waste?
No. 1872034
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I hate that I have to apply makeup just to increase my chances of getting a job in this stupid timeline.
No. 1872066
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I need to know if I’m crazy for noticing this but I recently learned that my past employer created a full-time job for the only white male to continue working for them. The rest of us had to find other jobs once we graduated and our graduate research assistantships were up. Am I wrong for noticing that they never bring on research assistants full time and of course they hired the only white male student who has worked there in years? The people in charge are older nerdy white men who seem to get along with him better than the rest of us even though I tried my best to be friendly—they would literally ignore mine and my female coworker’s greetings while being much more friendly and exclaiming this guy’s name when they’d see him. The graduate researchers were typically either black, Asian, and/or female so this guy was actually the only white guy. The part that really bothers me the most is that this guy was not that smart or particularly impressive compared to the other people I worked with (but now remembering how they were friendlier with him is too tbh).
No. 1872086
I've spent years fucking around in first undergrad and then grad school with next to no connections and only one shitty period of work experience to show for it, and despite the immense pressure to get a fucking job here I am doing nothing again. My excuse for the past three years has been that the world will end soon, but it still hasn't and I am even further from being a functioning member of society. Maybe I should just harness my NEET powers of reality-ignoring and lock myself in a room for a year to crank out a shitty self-published game or something.
>>1872066I've also heard male Asian students complaining about not getting offered RA positions recently, and I've noticed that the only people I know who got jobs before graduating are white dudes getting returning offers (and one instance of borderline-nepotism). This is in a competitive STEM field as well.
No. 1872104
>>1872092That sounds like a really cool job anon, I wish you luck!
>>1872066You're not crazy, at my previous work (tech research, don't want to be too specific) all the guys buddied up and hang out outside of work while the female and "minority" employees were left to their own devices. And I say minority with quotes because all you had to do to get disqualified was be foreign. Literally just be Italian or something. And I live in Europe.
>>1872086I noticed the same. And it was just like OP said - guys with mediocre skills who everyone including themselves gasses up as these tech-savvy geniuses. If I or my colleagues did something good it got mentioned as an anonymous "someone suggested XYZ", but those guys got credit by name. Pissed me right off to be honest.
No. 1872220
>>1872021Ever since I got talked to, I have completely lost all my passion for this job. It is a mega turn off. I think I'm going to put in my week's notice.
I'm going to work for my father in law's business because they will trust me and let me work however much I want. I know labor laws are there for a reason, but I want to be exploited. To me, a day at work is a day wasted and I'd rather get sucked into it because it is aggravating showering, doing skincare, exercising, etc. all the shit that happens before and after work. The only days I enjoy are days off and only if I've really gotten everything completed. Maybe I'm just autistic.
No. 1872229
>>1872220I’m in the same boat as you
nonnie. Although I get paid I also had a talking to a while back as well and got put on a PIP. The moment that happened I lost all drive to do my job. I have an interview with an academy tomorrow so I’m hopeful I get in. I hope your new job with your family’s company.
No. 1872241
>>1870358I wouldn’t mind being told to flip burgers by someone who’s actually had to flip burgers themselves because at least they know what that’s like and might have some genuine advice. It’s the flippant hypocrisy that’s pissing me off. None of these people would deign to flip burgers or stock shelves even if they were to lose their current job.
A 20 minute commute sounds normal/short to me but I definitely wouldn’t want to hitchhike, that sounds awful. Do you live somewhere really remote?
>>1871499Yeah I wouldn’t mind a boring job that has nothing to do with my academic background if it at least paid decently. Unfortunately my skill set is very specific and doesn’t really transfer to other fields so I don’t see that happening anytime soon. The closest I’ve gotten is recruiters who want to retrain anyone with a vaguely STEM background as an IT consultant but those programs mean signing a contract for many years and you don’t get any input into where they send you after you finish your training. Apparently they gauge your pay check too so you’re stuck working for pennies for a company of their choosing for years until you’ve paid them off.
>The only entry level jobs these days that seem to not have so many experienced people competing are those internship programs that require you to be in school.I’m seriously considering going back to school for this exact reason, and for networking in general. Everyone I know who got a job in our field, got there straight out of school through connections they’d made there. Once you’re out of the loop you’re shit out of luck.
No. 1872887
>>1872172I agree with other anon.
>>1872870 Spill coffee on it and then he'll have to actually wash it. Make him do it. It boggles my mind how men are okay with not washing their clothing and just sitting in their own filth.
Or you could be a bit petty and leave a note when the office is closed or way before the opening hours about how he smells really bad and should wash his hoodie. (or just steal it tbh) Just make sure not to get caught.
No. 1873094
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Office nonnies what do you do when you’re bored in your cubicle and there’s nothing else to do? I usually go on my phone to use the internet but I notice my boss has sites like sports blogs he likes to browse on the computer. All of the sites I use (lolcow, reddit, youtube) I’m too embarrassed to use during work. Lately I’ve just been browsing LinkedIn on my computer but I fucking hate using it for hours and wish I could look at something else that wouldn’t be classified as inappropriate or unprofessional. I feel enough shame for using Reddit to answer questions I have regarding Excel or coding. Any suggestions or recommendations?
No. 1873129
>>1873094I don't know if you have an eBook-reader or are potentially interested in one but it could be a good investment and since you could use it without internet at work you wouldn't have to worry about reading anything that could be inappropriate.
It is potentially a bad time because of the economy right now but getting in to stocks/investing might also be worth it. Especially if you don't start with investing immediately but maybe read about news and observe before you feel comfortable investing small sums (at home, don't trust your work pc). I always want fellow women to get rich, better than pedo moids. We have to get greedier as a sex to get more power worldwide. But be careful and don't treat it as gambling.
Since you mention coding you could also begin a small project at work. I wouldn't be ashamed about looking up questions, most moids at your work probably watch porn there.
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>>1873094browse lcf on company time, play on my switch or read something on my kindle
No. 1874216
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Nonnas I'm in dire need of some guidance for my socially-inept ass.
You see I have this kind of distant female relative who has a background in design and landed a cozy job at Microsoft and currently works from home. I barely know her apart from the fact she's hardworking and nice but..
Like I really want to ask her what kind of certs and post-college education she pursued to kinda get a similar deal as I too have a degree in design and marketing. But I have no idea on how to approach her without sounding like a desperate noob…what what Can I do? How can I approach her?
No. 1874446
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I just now got fired from my job at a video game company. They said it was a "stakeholder decision". Any other gamedev anons in here that I can commiserate with?
No. 1875513
>>1875133The concept of "You snooze, you lose" doesn't seem to be of high importance for many employers now. It's whatever could save money to fit their retarded ass profit chart that's failed year after year. Hopefully this isn't the case, but there's a possibility you may be overqualified where paying you what they know your worth would be is too risky for the business. I hope all goes well for you
nonnie and you do get the job though.
No. 1878224
>>1877296That's so stupid. At Costco it makes sense cuz they put a big number on the receipt and the receipt-checkers just count the number of items you have to verify. Wtf are they looking at it for at Walmart? It's not like they can see what's in my bags to count items or match them to what's on the receipt.
And all that's aside from the fact that they can't make you show them your receipt on your way out anyway (only stores that require a membership can do that). I always feel kinda bad for being rude but I'm not standing in line just to leave the fucking walmart lol
No. 1878861
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>passed phone screen
>passed technical assessment
>now they want to call me in to discuss the company, me, and the job (not even any live coding segments)
please please please let them be desperate and be willing to look past my autism. or please let me tap into some unknown stacy energy and be able to talk without seeming too much like the inexperienced sped i am. the guy even said they were rapidly expanding and needed someone loyal to train on their tech, that could be me. i'll work for pennies. please let this work out. i don't know why i'm praying in an lc thread i just need to get this out. if this doesn't go through i really will have to work at mcdonalds or something equally soul-sucking
No. 1878868
>>1878861best of luck
nonnie!!! I'm rooting for you
No. 1881228
>>1881010Fuck with him. Like other
nonnie- say you wanna kill yourself, talk about how your cat died, talk about how its so hard to shit when you're in the stall, fuck it, fart too. Make him crazy. Make him uncomfortable. Deny everything. Gaslight him. We're women
nonnie, we can do anything better than a moid can do. Don't worry about your job. Make an email everytime they don't pay you on time or mess your hours. Know the labour laws too. You got this, he sounds like he's sexually frustrated you don't give him time of day and good, don't.
No. 1881970
>>1880859are you willing to learn? if a licence is mandatory for the job you can show how motivated you are by saying if it is mandatory you are willing to learn how to drive
>>1881010don't do what other nonas suggest kek.
>role doesn't match the job description print out the job description, book a 1:1 with your manager or skip to discuss this discrepancy if it bothers you a lot.
>accounting fucked up the paycheckfollow up with accounting every day to ask where your paycheck is. involve your manager/put him on cc. if your manager is not helping, involve your skip. be polite but persistant
>boss shit talking youthis is the biggest issue imo. decide whether you want to take this to HR and request he be disciplined and you be put into another team. if the company is big enough this could be possible. in any case i would want paper trace of him doing this (meaning collect evidence and take it to HR. cc your personal email to all correspondance with HR so you have proof of communication).
>quit or wait until you have a new jobdepending on how much savings you have, and what industry you are in, and how much this is affecting your mentla health, you will have to decide what to do. in my industry shit is tough right now and i would not quit my job without having a new one lined up. so if you are in the same situation i would do the bare minimum at work and spend my energy on applying and interviewing to other jobs so i can jump ship asap. if you have savings/can rely on your family maybe you can quit and be unemployed for a few months. or maybe you can just stop delivering and wait for them to fire you. might get a few extra paychecks that way. i am really sorry you are in this situaiton nona
No. 1881974
>>1881397nona don't take an opportunity away from yourself
> I think in the end I will decline doing it on the basis that I'm probably not who they're looking for, you are literally taking the chance for the job away from yourself by not even attempting. don't ever do that, don't ever hold yourself back. the world will hold you back and tell you no enough as it is. you don't need to do it to yourself
No. 1882110
>>1882010I'm in the same position. Exact same age too. I just go along with pretending to be younger. I don't know how to be confident in my path. I've had people react weirdly when I said my actual age, I may be paranoid but I think someone thought I was slow because of this…I have good excuses for starting late. I'm doing very well considering my upbringing.
I also feel like I'm in a daycare a lot of the time. Studying for exams feels more and more tedious.
No. 1882225
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I am currently working as a support worker. My role is assisting people living with a disability access the community and function at their baseline; I work specifically with those with severe mental health issues.
I absolutely hate this job. This job in particular -I've had some bad ones- has lead me to absolutely despise people and grow really critical of mental illness (despite having lived experience of a mental illness kek). Despite this, I feel obliged to stay until I get my 'proper job' once I finish my psych degree because it's casual and very good money. But I don't even know what my proper job is anymore - I don't want to work with people in this setting anymore! Sounds absolutely retarded, but all I wanna do is work somewhere posh where I feel like a professional. Is that a clinical psych? Maybe, but that means working another three years casually in similar roles.
My current work is only one or two days a week because I am studying and I live stably with my nigel (very supportive). I am so lucky to be in the situation I am, I know that; a mid-tier job that pays well for measly hours. And yet I'm dying. The mere knowledge this is presently my job and I have to continue working in some of the worst houses I have ever been in (roach infestations, animal abuse, daily second hand smoke - almost always social housing because these poor mfs never had a chance) with moids who creep on me or scream in my face is mentally crippling me.
Nonas, though my situation is very unique, do you have any advice on getting through this?
Pic unrelated but ABBA is keeping me alive atm.
TLDR - Job working with individuals with mental illness. Intense work. Work's made me severely bitter and question my future career. How to get through a job like this until I finish my degree.
No. 1882232
>>1882219congrats
nonnie! thats fantastic
>>1882225unfortunetly this happens more than you think, it just gets really hard dealing with people in general. I wish you luck, maybe more practice will help
No. 1882668
>>1882225i think this is beyond our pay grade… if i were you i would talk to someone who worked as a support worker and share your thoughts/experience with them and see if they can give advice and tell you how they coped with it. good luck
nonnie, i know support work and nursing are probably the most difficult professions, i respect people who work those jobs immensely
No. 1882671
>>1882010I'm 27 and still in uni for my bachelor degree, I'll be 28 when I'm doing an obligated internship, I'm already dreading the question "how old are you"? kek but it's what it is. Better to be uncomfortable for a couple of years now than digging an ever deeper hole because you're embarassed.
That said, I think being 23 and still in school is pretty normal? I went back to uni at 25 which is definitely unusually late but if I had gone back at 22ish I wouldn't have stood out much age-wise. Lots of people drop out and go back in their early 20s. Maybe it's different where you are.
No. 1882902
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I'm going to start working as a cnc machinist. Fuck yeah. I should never have gotten into the solar/construction industry. My 2 weeks can't come fast enough.
No. 1882918
>>1882913Yes, I am/soon to be was in residential. It was fun learning about electrical, roofing, all that though I was a project manager, but it was frustrating how so many in construction offices….don't care to learn anything about the industry or construction. It's a little sad because it's really interesting.
You are 100% correct, and especially in CA, that it is very predatory. It made me a little sick seeing leases and power purchase agreements get so much traction.
But really, I think it's the construction aspect that I loathe. Our CEO was an electrician and now he cosplays as a business bro. It's so embarrassing because it's clear our company suffers from it. We are like a 100-200 employee company and I could see that we are going down.
No. 1882928
>>1882010oh
nonnie. you shouldnt compare yourself at all. if it helps, i took some time off after high school and after my associates so ill be graduating with my bachelors at 24 instead of what, 22? due to mental issues as well. i also have no friends and little clue what exactly im going to do career wise, but life is much better now. i hope it is that way for you? in the grand scheme i dont believe it matters how late we start, but just that we try our best and begin somewhere. i got my license at 20. started ballet at 21. we have to start somewhere and work with the hand we were dealt. im so sorry you ever felt that need to compare yourself.
No. 1883456
>>1883438The animal welfare in my country is very hit and miss. (Used to work for them too lol). Because what I have witnessed isn't the worst of the worst (not puppy mill tier, but still abuse and neglect) then it could be benched indefinitely or dismissed as 'if that's how she treats her dogs/birds/fish and they're not actively dying then we cannot do anything'. Also could get in serious trouble by reporting due to confidentiality of clients.
Thanks for your honesty, nona. I hope I'm able to follow your advice and find a better gig.
No. 1883620
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>>1883585It's, unfortunately, not an advantage since moids like to buddy up with other moids and often get jealous of smart, competent women. What worked for me was befriending as many women at work as I could find from any department. I didn't explicitly ask for anything from them since I just wanted female friends but HR ladies recommended me for all my raises and promotions. They also told me about hidden work benefits nobody else knew to ask about.
No. 1883632
>>1883601This is getting so ot but I already have a man and I'm not looking to replace him. This is about my career and not about my love life.
>>1883620So far it has been an (sometimes frustrating) advantage because moids in this field for some reason absolutely love to see a woman doing their thing and chat me up (I'm currently only female in sight). Frustration is involved when they love it too much or test my boundaries. Either they will see it as a sign that I'm committed to this or as a sign that I'm incompetent due to my gender. I will definitely keep an eye on the women possibly working where ever I will end up but I'm fairly certain it's all moids even in hr.
No. 1883792
>>1883790This is very cute
nonnie, I am so pleased for you. You don't have to answer but what industry/area is it? As you mentioned machinery and customers, and I am just curious
No. 1883795
>>1883792Thank you
nonnie! I work in printing, usually for other businesses. Apparently there used to be a lot of ink fumes in the air but I don't even notice it practically ever because the air flow is good. It really does pay off to have leadership that's concerned about safety.
No. 1883813
>>1883737Whatever. Standing out and networking more easily is an advantage. Moids will be moids and I have absolutely no remorse about them liking me for my gender though I wish they would rather genuinely find me nice person and good worker.
>>1883739Nothing too outrageous or straight up harrasment.
>>1883783Thank you
nonnie. I wish I can prove myself in this upcoming training and get some self confidence to boost me.
No. 1883911
>>1883865You are genuinely putting words to my mouth so I feel like this conversation isn't getting anywhere. Take care
nonnie.
No. 1884234
I got an offer for a good job after almost a year being unemployed and really looking, a verbal offer over the phone but getting the offer email is still somehow ongoing because their emails bounce back. They tried emailing me and I tried emailing them and it's kind of like…what now? I swear to god I just want something to sign. If it falls through because I'm a bit inconvenient/I chased them up too much/I didn't chase them up enough I will be very upset. The situation feels more precarious than any interview I've had because I'm SO CLOSE yet have nothing.
>>1812916> Your last question you should end on is "Do you have any hesitations in hiring me?" so in the case that if they honestly answer what they're unsure about, then you can try to clear them up.kek thanks for reminding me of the time I misinterpreted this advice and in one of my first interviews I asked at the end "so have I given you any reason to NOT hire me?" followed by possibly the most smug look in existence and he just stared blankly for a few seconds before saying he'd need to look over his notes after the interview to know that. I still got it because it was a shitty minimum wage ticket checking job but still kek.
No. 1884412
>>1882667Nta but this is a nice, uplifting comment ty nonna you are right ♥
>>1882831Makes sense, thank you for your reply and good luck anon!
No. 1884531
>>1878861>>1880859two more job interviews coming up. three, actually, but i don't count the fast food interview as an actual interview. might be two though as one place is telling ME to call their HR guy to talk about the position. i've watched quite a few interview prep videos though and i think i can mask a little better just from giving them a try so uh…fingers crossed (again)
>>1881970>are you willing to learn? i am but i've never had anyone to teach me. my aunt's stopped reaching out after the pity glow wore off (i asked her shortly after my father passed) and her grandkids came back to town and my mother's thoughts on the matter have always been "a boyfriend should teach you how" (and i've never had one of those). shit sucks but i can't really do anything about it
No. 1884845
>>1884531cant you go take classes to learn how to drive? maybe you burgers do it differently but no family member taught me how to drive. i went to driving school and learned myself. but this nona is also right
>>1884732, the world does not revolve around you. if you need help you should ask. if they can't help you then go to driving school
No. 1884943
>>1884845i don't have $200+ usd to spend on driving courses kek…they're expensive here. cheaper ones are cities away.
>>1884732did you read my post? no? here:
>i asked her shortly after my father passed>>1884867>work on getting your permiti have that already. the first time i got it back in 2018, everyone who said they'd teach me never followed through on it. second time, in 2023, same thing. at least this particular permit is meant to last me several years…
No. 1885071
>>1884994who let you use their car?
>>1885040unhelpful and condescending. i really hate how cunt-ish farmers are these days, holy shit
No. 1885104
>>1885071(i hate that i've been checking lolcow all day)
at the time i lived with my parents and used their car. my parents both worked 2-3 jobs at once so they couldn't help me, nor did i want them to because they have hair-
trigger tempers.
No. 1886696
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had surprise interview today somewhere i have been going to and in contact with for a while now. it is my dream job! i had a feeling i would be interviewed soon and i am so glad i prepared because everything went great. i love everything about the job and everyone at that place. i should find out within a week or two if i get it. i know there are at least two other candidates they interviewed today and it make me super nervous to see/hear them! i hadn't ever had a job interview before but i already knew and spoke with the interviewers a lot and i felt great the whole time and after. i am nervous but i have great speaking skills and stressed my strengths that apply to the job and they know i want the job really bad. one of the employees even gave me her number in case i do not get the job so she can contact me about anything that comes up. i hope i get it, i really think its the job and place for me. wish me luck pls.
No. 1886864
>>1886696Good luck,
nonny! I hope all your work so far pays off!
No. 1886876
>>1886696Keeping my fingers crossed for you nonna, good luck!
>>1886709Good luck to you too, it's a very grueling path so it's a good idea to get at least a part time job so you have some guaranteed income while you establish yourself. Stick with it and you'll succeed.
No. 1886967
>>1883546Samefag. And still no work keys found, I've asked everywhere where I've been on Friday before losing the keys, asked the clerk at the office entrance if any keys were given to them for keepsake, I filed a report at the public lost and found office. Still nothing.
I don't think anyone would fire me for losing em because we're understaffed but this makes the beginning of the year very difficult until I get replacement keys. Wish me luck that someone out there is honest enough to give em back.
No. 1886971
>>1886661maybe see if any of your coworkers who
do work have anything they need help with. it sounds like your position is totally obsolete.
No. 1887003
>>1886960I hope so cause I’ve been unemployed for almost 2 years and didn’t have much luck finding anything. I’m not too sad but I feel like I’ve disappointed my family.
I told the managers that I’m in good condition for training and was about to get hands on but they decided to pull the plug anyway.
No. 1887008
>>1881746you'd probably make way less with that degree even if you became a spook
>>1882961>>1883055just don't tell them you have a secondary degree
>>1886967tell the people at your workplace you got mugged
No. 1887032
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My job has been so boring, especially since my role has been consistently shifting towards working with the one colleague I have the hardest time getting along with. She's our quasi-leader (internally supported, but not made official in any capacity), but we also share some roles with each other. She's a sweetheart honestly, like 20 years older than me, and very very professional and meticulous. But that's exactly why she's like the complete opposite of me. My workstyle is trying to get things sorted out fast, AFTER all information's on the table, not sticking to highly formal channels and I speak pretty fast and my thought can be all over the place. She always wants to discuss things when almost nothing's known yet, and it's 99% anything we plan ahead will need to be scrapped anyway, but she hates needing to think on the spot and takes extensive notes on every little thing. It just leads to both of us being frustrated with new assignments; me feeling like we're doing extra work for no benefit and waiting for her to finish a thought, and her at me for shooting ideas looking for something to stick and offering quick solutions without analyzing every little detail. I wish I could work with the two people similiar in age to me, but sadly our work rarely overlaps.
No. 1887138
>>1887120you are easily replaceable anon, if he's been so good to you maybe you guys can come up to an agreement that is easier on you.
Do what is good for you.
NEVER stay with an employer out of 'guilt' or thinking you're the glue that keeps it all together. You're not
No. 1887147
>>1887120No, work is a business from both sides.
>I'm worried what's going to happen if I leave because I do so much.The world won't stop turning because you left a job anon.
No. 1887301
>>1887241I’ve worked in one but I didn’t do the actual baking/decorating. But usually bakers’ hours are early. If you’re working at a place that makes donuts for example, those bakers come in to work at like 4am. Some places have overnight shifts where the bakers make the stock for the next morning. Different bakeries vary on how much you interact with customers. At my place, the bakers didn’t have to interface much with customers unless they had really specific questions about processes or ingredients that only the bakers could answer. Customers can be highly specific and get cranky even if one tiny detail is off or if icing letters aren’t perfectly to their liking, for example. Another thing that that you will probably be hot and sweating, you’re going to be around ovens and stoves a lot, especially if the kitchen is small. Also be careful about safety hazards and have bandages ready, even the most experienced bakers there would get burns. Full-time hours seem hard to come by, you’d probably be part-time. I don’t know a whole ton about that industry other than what I’ve observed, but if it’s something you’re interested in then maybe give it a try? You could try working at one of those bigger franchises where they’ll be more specific with recipes and steps, and if you like it then maybe you could eventually work somewhere where you might have more creative freedom and could come up with your own ideas. In some places, the bakers also get added tips on the sales so that could be a slight financial bonus.
No. 1887349
>>1887241I worked at a bakery, although it was bought out by a grocery store chain. I worked the front part so I can't bake for shit. My neighbourhood was chill, the occasional angry grandma and crazy person. Otherwise, I liked it. I disliked smelling of sweets at the end of it.
The most annoying part was memorising what bread was bread, but with time, it is very easy.
No. 1887805
>>1887159That was my major and it took 3 years for me to land a career making six figures. Every single degree depends on how you utilize it. I've met engineering majors who work as substitute teachers because they couldn't figure out how to make a good resume, not be autistic in interviews, and not fall into depression over a few rejection emails. You really don't want to just hop around from major to major, though. Sit down and figure out what it is you want to do. Actually take the time to research career opportunities and what your major is going to consist of at your school before you just jump out of nursing because you don't like it. Totally fair to not like nursing but you don't want to be making this same post next semester, right?
I'm making $150,000 in my new job starting in a few weeks. I can't bring myself to let my friends know how well things are going for me since everyone around me seems to not be doing so well. It just feels cruel to say something like that to people in shitty financial/career situations out of their hands. Please let me brag anonymously at least.
No. 1887843
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I am giving myself 2024 to NEET and then I am starting college next year at 23yo. I didn't want to start college because I feel like I am too dumb for it, but I am already rotting away in my NEET cave so I might as well give it a try. I am scared, but I hope it works out. I was thinking of accounting, even though I suck at math.
No. 1887877
>>1887283>>1887301>>1887349thank you anons! i wasn't expecting to get so much information, this is really helpful.
>>1887843why do you want to wait all year? not sure if you're a burger but i found the workload of taking online courses at community college to be extremely low. particularly the CTE courses, the gen ed courses were a mixed bag because most of them were "taught" by whoever they could find to do it $400 a month.
No. 1887889
>>1887877i am not a burger
nonny, lol
No. 1887910
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I study a STEM field in an university, and I am actively looking for a trainee position for the summer. I just got a rejection letter for a position, they mentioned they got over 4000 applications. FOUR THOUSAND. I live in a small country with just a few million people, how the fuck is it even possible to get that many applications?? How the fuck am I supposed to find a job if I have to fight with thousands of other applicants over shitty entry level trainee positions.
No. 1887919
>>1887241I've worked in bakeries for years. At least in the places I were in the work was very stressful, physically demanding and the early hours and weekend shifts sucked. The flour gets fucking everywhere and many workers get respiratory issues after years of working in a bakery. It's fine for a while but I switched careers as have many of my old colleagues.
I worked in a very hands-on artisanal bakeries, so I can't say how bigger factory bakeries are. From what I've heard it's pretty boring just watching the conveyor belts run, and the big machines can be scary. I heard of a woman who lost her arm in some kind of crushing machine while working a big baked goods factory. Also, how the work is might also depend from country to country, how well paid the work is, are there unions to negotiate better salaries and overtime compensations etc.
No. 1888320
>>1887910agree with
>>1887925 or it's very possible people from other countries are applying
No. 1888582
>>1887820give us your secrets
nonny PLEASE i have a degree in global studies and world languages and anthropology and I can't seem to break out of retail roles
No. 1889195
>>1886967>>1887008I'm too honest to say I got mugged. I told the colleague that takes care of the keys yesterday that I lost em Friday evening. He tried to chew me out saying that I should have told him already by Monday and that I can't hide shit like that (which, fair, but the pressure I put myself under was far higher than him trying to admonish me, probably cuz I come from a household where I got yelled at for smaller issues).
In any case, I got new work keys, my insurance would cover any costs up until 50k in case anything needs to get done (changing locks), with only a small participation fee of 150€ from my pocket. But I doubt it'll come to this because I didn't hang my keys on a keychain that indicates where the keys might work, the keychain had the name of a hotel that doesn't exist in my town anymore, I lost em further away form where I work and live, and if anyone is honest enough in this town, maybe they'll be given back to the police and/or the lost and found office. So I don't really worry.
No. 1890654
does talking like this really work? maybe it's because i'm autistic but whenever i watch "interview help" videos they sound and look so psychotic and fake to me.
that said i tried emulating erin:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uWwFjgdgFPU and the interview didn't end 14 minutes early for once. i felt fake and psychotic all the way through it but maybe that's just how normalshits are.
No. 1890724
>>1890654I'm autistic too but this guy sounds way more autistic than me, wow. Super vague and trying too hard to flatter.
Personally I answer this question by picking specific points from the job ad and relating them to specific experience or skills I have (like "the job posting mentioned X kind of project and this is something I'm really excited to learn about, I've done Y project in a previous role and enjoyed it a lot" or "the job uses Y tool which I've been learning in my free time and I'd love the opportunity to use it at work and in a team"). I find that mentioning company values always comes off fake unless you have very specific proof that you care about those values ("you guys are a sustainable company and I care about sustainability a lot, I volunteer at Z related charity"). Ultimately, all your answers should serve to tell them more about your actual skills and experience.
Erin's advice is really good overall (just a little bold sometimes if you're not a senior in your field and don't have much leverage). And I think it's normal to feel fake, even normies feel it and joke about corporate language being dumb. It's just worse for us autists because we have to force ourselves not to be monotone or weird.
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had the worst phone screening ever…i was so nervous. it did not help that my mom psyched me out right before it…but my pitch was all over the place, i trailed off weirdly, i said "yeah" and "um" a lot, it was very bad. ended in ten minutes, was meant to be a 30 minute phone call. she also repeatedly stated "oh i bet you want a tech position right? you said you 'wore different hats' and did tech stuff at this position too, i bet that's what you were happier doing right? you probably don't have much vested interested in things outside of your field" and i wasn't sure of how to answer. i told her i was open to this role, but she didn't seem convinced…and i also didn't explain myself clearly enough. i had a whole script and it just fell apart.
i really don't…think i'm ever going to get a career job at this point, the interviewing process is just too fucking difficult. it's too much. my mind isn't wired for it. i've had so many phone screens and maybe 20 interviews and i honest to god can't. i can't not be monotone, i can't smile as much as i can, i can't be "bubbly and personable," i can't drudge up any interest in these fucking companies (they always see through my answer), i can't stop uptalking, i'm just tired. i try my best! but it never gets easier. the interview i thought i managed to "mask" well in, i didn't get. i never fucking get it. i can't even put the desolation i feel into words.
but god in the case of this interviewer it really threw me off that she jumped into "YOU DON'T WANT TO WORK THIS JOB DO YOU? YOU WANT SOMETHING ELSE?" rather than the typical "so, tell me about yourself" question (which i prepped for!). i want to die so bad
No. 1891117
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I got through a final round interview for a job I'm trying to get. I feel like I have good prospects of getting this one but I know I can get burned at any second. It's happened multiple times before.
I mean, just recently I had a closing interview with a company that sounded very enthusiastic about bringing me in, literally had me fill out forms agreeing to background checks and drug tests, toured me throughout the whole building, took me to lunch, had me meet with the entire division (Probably more than 10 different people), gave me a gift bag, and even told me they were going to take me to dinner the night prior (Although the person that was going to apparently got sick). All this before even having been extended an offer. Only to then get a rejection letter in the mail a couple of weeks after.
Employers love just dangling a carrot in front of you that you'll never actually get.
No. 1892094
>>1887120If you genuinely like him and he's been good to you, you can try to make your departure the least complicated for him. Like tell him well in advance, train your coworkers as needed etc. But yea you can't jeopardize your career/well being just because of him.
>>1891117Wtf.. At this point something unexpected must have happened because why would they even bother doing all this for people they're not set on hiring? It sucks, good luck for your final interview nonna.
No. 1892503
>>1887910tech is going through a lot of layoffs and downsizing and many companies are not even doing internships this year, so i believe they could have 4k applications. a few months ago we got 500 in a DAY AND A HALF before TA took the listing down. we're in a tech bubble burst (although not as big as the one from a few decades ago) so things are going to be tough for a while in tech.
>How the fuck am I supposed to find a job if I have to fight with thousands of other applicants over shitty entry level trainee positions.make friends with people who work in tech and ask them to refer you to roles you are interested in. it's the only way these days
No. 1892517
>>1890816you just need to learn to tell them what they want to hear. put yourself in the recruiters shoes. what does she want to hear? that you WANT this job, in fact you are EXCITED to join the team because you think the company is cool/you heard good things about the vibes there/you think their product is important/whatever.
i am sorry you had a bad experience nona but next one will be better. just remember to ask yourself what does this person want to hear from you, and give them that. interviewing is a skill that you practice and learn, it's totally doable. it's good to apply to jobs just to practice interviewing tbh
No. 1892577
>>1892251Or, it's possible I failed the behavioral check. I was visibly nervous throughout the interview and my eyes kept darting away when being spoken to. Even though I sounded good on paper and think I did well on both technical rounds, I probably disappointed them behaviorally-wise.
I also wasn't driving at that point in time, since I had no car, so I got a ride to their location from a family member. I didn't want to admit I don't drive (I live in U.S. car-dependant hell), so I just white lied saying my car broke down, but maybe that still made me look bad by making them think I don't have reliable transportation.
They're a huge high-security R&D that you can't enter without authorization and since they weren't expecting my family member, had to also call the recruiter who set up my interview to let them know about him, issue him a card, let the front desk know about him when I leave…Probably caused a PITA.
They also wanted to show me around other buildings, like their gym, which required driving me around since their area is so large. At the end of the interview, hiring manager walked me out with asking where I parked. I thought I just could slide by without anyone noticing I didn't drive myself there but nope. fml
>>1892519I can't be sure why, but I don't think I ever would have and never will. I am pissed at them for wasting so much of my time, though.
No. 1893294
>>1893258i also have a degree and spent the last 3 years as a supervisor. i applied for literally "any" position at costco (thats an option they give you) and its been almost a month but ive not gotten an interview. i have interviewed elsewhere, but every position ive applied to that im overqualified for ive not gotten any response.
what
>>1893274 said is basically the advice my therapist gave me when i was crying about being a month without a job
No. 1893689
>>1893508you didn't ask for advice but if you want to, you can give him direct feedback about his behaviour and it will probably make him stop. look up non-confrontational feedback techniques, but it's basically
>remind him of what happened>tell him how what he did made you feel/how it is preventing you from gaining recognition for your work>ask him not to do it againusually this is enough for poeple to become aware of what they are doing is shitty and stop. if not, next step is to go to your manager and explain the situation and ask for them to advise on what you should do (and also tell the manager you have already given direct feedback to the moid, managers hate it when you come directly to them before you tried to handle the situation on your own).
No. 1894760
>>1893508I don't buy it, how is it even possible to forget that you didn't do something you're being credited for?? Even for work that you've only partially contributed to it should sound wrong, let alone something you've only supervised. Plus you said that last time he was visibly upset when you pointed out that it was also your work. It would be a nice revenge if you could leave him with tons of work (that he's already doing alone supposedly!) but of course only if you have something else lined up and only if you're sure that you're not going to regret this job. Maybe the issue can be fixed. You could talk about this to someone (under the pretense maybe you're scared it could impact your performance review or something). Like the other anon said, ideally it should be the scrote first if he is your direct superior.
>>1892240>>1894320>>1894482Good luck anons!!
No. 1895880
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Interviewed today, should I send the recruiter a thank you or cc/bcc them in the thank you emails I send to the interviewers even if she specifically wasn't present? For further context I already sent her a note after our original screening so it could sound redundant, there were two people on the panel today so I was planning on writing two letters anyways. I feel like such a tryhard but getting into corporate is such a weird waltz.
No. 1895967
>>1895940me too
nonnie! best of luck to both of us ♥
No. 1896670
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Are there any good jobs where you don't have to talk to anyone (within reason) that pay decently? I have a seasonal retail job but I really dislike interacting with customers and co workers. The music they constantly play in the store bothers me too and I can't tune it out. I have Aspergers for context. Also I have a two year degree in horticulture but I've realized that the jobs generally don't pay well (unless you become a manager or business owner, but for that you need to have good social skills) so I'm not sure if I even want to continue down that path.
I just applied for a part time warehouse job but from what I've read warehouse work is very physically demanding and can be mentally taxing. However the pay is really high and I wouldn't have to interact with customers. Is it worth it? Can any nonnas here tell me their experiences working in warehouses?
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Despite having a respectable STEM degree and my CV containing a relatively well-rounded experience/skill list, I keep getting rejected from the most entry-level jobs near me. It's gotten to the point where I feel sick after applying now, because getting the rejection emails makes me ashamed.
Doesn't help that the job I actually studied for has 0 openings in the 60km radius around me, despite everyone always complaining about how short-staffed the labs are.
>>1870033I relate to this a lot,
nonny. I know I'm 25 days late but I hope things are starting to look up for you.
No. 1897056
>>1896670i don't think it's a good idea personally as a woman. warehouse jobs attract a lot of creepy men. i've even known men that have left warehouse jobs because the other men were ex convicts and extremely creepy.
i don't know what it's like to have aspergers but honestly most decent paying jobs do require a level of socializing that you don't seem comfortable with. what about working in a library, getting a cert in library technical assistant or being something like a laboratory tech.
No. 1898141
>>1897819
>I have such a hard time getting through things that I don't 100% understand from the get-go>And I equate not innately understanding it with me always being too stupid to understand itI was probably one of the dumbest out of my graduating class and feeling like I was constantly surrounded by super smart programmer moids I will never be able to compete with, but I still graduated for what it's worth. It took a combination of sickening persistence (Always doing extra credit and all HWs/projects/assignments, no matter what I get on them, just to carry my grade up) , grade inflation from generous professors, getting help from professors and classmates (On time. Don't wait until the last moment. This is super important), or occasional underhanded methods like going on Chegg when I had very a bad professor and I got particularly desparate.
I am a huge moron. I still did it. So I'm sure you'll be able to as well.
>I'm scared I'm destined to just be a retail wageslave for lifeI just can't assure you about this, because the job market is so fucking bad right now. I took a CS degree to avoid the job search difficulty that would come with a libarts degree yet feel I may as well have done one anyway because not even my internship, nor the job I did teaching programming for 2 years are helping show I have "experience" and not just a degree.
No. 1898373
>>1898225You have to look out for your own best interest. Corporations never will.
>>1898300That's stupid. This is a management issue, not hers.
No. 1898530
>>1898300That's not anon's fault nor responsibility.
>>1898225Do what's best for you. If you can legally work there for 2 weeks, make some money and leave without issue, use your rights and do it. Corporations aren't family and they have no compassion for you either.
No. 1899011
>>1898384>Did you get the second job for sure?i'm doing the pre-employment stuff rn so i think so? i did a drug + tb test yesterday, will do my tb follow-up on the weekend and get an extra vaccine. if all of that stuff is clear (it should but who knows) then yeah. i'm always overly anxious something unexpected will happen and screw me over tho.
>Does it also pay well?it pays as well as the pharmacy job (it should be even more once im out of training but i didnt ask because the interview was VERY corporate) and is reliably full-time while the pharmacy is 'part-time' which i know is another way these pharmacies like to screw their employees over.
i've talked about it with my family and they raise some questions like what if a future employer asks about EVERYWHERE i've worked in the last x years. i thought i'd just not mention it but i dont know if lying by omission is something that could ever haunt me.
im also scared of the possibility of this job not working out for whatever reason - i wanted the pharmacy job so i could become a licensed tech so that'd be a plan B if that happens. the pharmacy is a big employer nationally (burgers know) and they have a few stores in my town… its all frustrating, i wish the hiring manager didnt go on fking vacation which pushed my start date so far back that this became an issue.
rn i'm thinking i'll contact the pharmacy and let them know the start date and let them decide so i'm not burning any bridges. i will probably wait until my lab results come back tho just in case.
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i'm getting tired of applying to jobs. in a perfect world, out of 10 interviews, you'd be guaranteed one offer. but that isn't the case for me
No. 1899683
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>>1897819Honestly, if you have a hard time coping with the emotional aspect of learning to program, you probably wouldn't enjoy programming as a job. It takes an extremely long time to get to the point where you feel very comfortable and familiar with what you're working on, even as somebody who can pick up new concepts fairly easily.
In most positions, you will constantly be learning new technologies and having to overcome the same sort of issues that you're overcoming now. Additionally, there's the added pressure of not having concrete metrics that you're evaluated on, like grades, which makes it hard not feel anxious about your own performance and whether you're working and learning fast enough.
Most companies have absolutely terrible on-boarding processes. Despite how bad some university classes are, they're planned out, changed ever year in response to student feedback, intended to teach you things, and designed such that a smart and hardworking student could understand 100% of the material (all to varying degrees of success). At work, you're given terrible resources that have often been outdated for years, you will have to do a lot of troubleshooting and learning on your own, frequently find yourself with problems that none of your coworkers know the answer to, and you will sometimes be given work that is literally impossible to do with the resources you have. It will be up to you to identify when that's the case, get your (busy) coworkers' help, and make sure you're not asking for help frivolously (because as much as your coworkers say "feel free to ask questions, we're here to help (smiley face)", they will get annoyed if you're asking questions that you should know or be able to figure out the answer to). And when you inevitably make mistakes or feel like you're learning too slowly, your only points of comparison will be people that are much more generally experienced and/or have longer tenure at the company than you, which can absolutely destroy your self-confidence.
I don't want to discourage you too much, but of the people I know who graduated with CS degrees and got SWE jobs (in a much easier and stable job market, mind you), probably 75% of people felt "unsupported" in the ways I described. The other 25% were either extremely talented or lucked out with companies/teams/team members that had plenty of time to help them and onboard them. Quite a few people from my graduating class are looking to get out of software engineering (or have jumped ship and are now desperately searching for a new job) precisely because of the issues I described. Of course, it's still not a bad idea to break into tech by starting in software engineering, seeing how long you can hold out, and then trying to move into less technical roles. But ultimately, lots of people don't "make it," and I think having feelings like the ones you're having now is one of the top reasons early-career people end up not being happy as software engineers.
No. 1900181
>>1899999that wouldn't weird anyone out but my advice for working luxury retail (especially if it's commissions based) is that strategy just won't work very well for making sales.
the whole job is basically vibes based and it really does start at the door. you'll eventually get the hang of this but some people don't want to be greeted at all, while other people will be offended if they don't get a greeting. so hopefully you can see what i mean where a script where you treat everyone identically isn't the best idea. honestly i wouldn't worry about it though, you'll see what i mean after a few months. older customers will want more formal service, younger customers will want more casual service, etc.
if you want to get autistic about it my advice is try to play a game where you guess what's the next thing the customer is going to want, then be ready for it. if they ask for a size you know fits small, have the next size up ready. then when they inevitably ask for it, you can hand it to them immediately. that's basically luxury retail in a nutshell. little things like that are way more important than stuff like greeting people properly.
also if you're a sperg you'll do fine because luxury retail you're actually supposed to start off cold and standoffish with customers on purpose. then as the transaction continues you slowly warm up. it's kind of evil but it works.
if you start at a 10 on the enthusiasm scale then you have to continue at 10 the whole way through. it's not only exhausting if you're dealing with someone for an hour+ but if you dip to a 7 or 8 it gives the customer the impression that they're a burden. so it's much better to start at 5 with your greeting and slowly move up. you shouldn't really hit someone with a 10 until the very end when you're ringing them up. so you can basically be cold and autistic for over half the time you're helping someone lol.
this works because from the customers perspective you seemed like a bitch at first and ended up being really sweet. emotionally they will always remember that experience much more fondly over someone who was just simply nice the whole way through (which is also extremely forgettable). No. 1901645
>>1890654I hate how his ugly mug clogs up videos about interviewing. It’s fucking shit and unnatural.
We need more normies (who know wtf they’re talking about) to upload videos of themselves getting interviewed. It’s actually weird that there aren’t many videos. I get that most people who upload videos are trying to make a buck as well (or else they would be working in hr or recruitment lol) but it’s bizarre how shit the quality for this is
No. 1902393
>>1890654Oh let me add something about Erin. It’s a bit of a no-brainier but I used to do it thinking I was showing a problem I have and how I’m working on it.
Don’t mention a weakness that’s actually relevant to the job i.e don’t say you’re bad at communication if you’re applying to a consulting job where communication is key or you’re bad with quantitative reasoning if you’re applying to a data analyst position.
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>job may want me to go to Libya for three months for a project
>unstable country literally half the world away with no human rights for women
It wouldn't be alone, I'd be with my (woman) boss and the job's in the capital so presumably the chances of being attacked are lower, but I'm still kind of concerned even if it's a great opportunity for my resume. It's a long way away and there's still plenty of unrest in the region. We don't have any male employees who do what I do so it has to be me. Idk I'm probably overblowing it, we may not even get the contract, and it's essentially a paid vacation on the weekends but I just have this concern I'm having a hard time shaking.
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>>1903905The US government is straight up like, don’t fucking go to Libya, they target westerners for kidnapping and shit.
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>>1904182The US government straight up tells people to have their will and funeral wishes recorded before going to Libya
No. 1904223
>>1903905>Libyaeven men shouldn't go but women especially shouldn't. you're not overblowing it, your company took out a shitty and dangerous project without thinking. your boss and you are not protected with he buddy system in the slightest, you'll just both get kidnapped together. in a lot of places, big cities are only safer for the populace themselves. foreigners are seen as being infinite sources of cash either out of the assumption all westerners are rich, or that their countries will pay the ransom if the family can't.
there are plenty of unstable countries you could probably get away with being in as a foreigner, but libya isn't one I'd bet on
No. 1904430
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I finally found a job nonnies.
Now let's hope I just don't do something to fuck it up.
No. 1904435
>>1904430Congrats
nonnie!
No. 1905315
>>1904640People love talking about themselves, you don't have to be genuinely interested, just ask them about their weekend plans or whatever. If you want to feign social skills anyway.
>>1905310Hope you get it!
No. 1905458
>>1896851>everyone always complaining about how short-staffed the labs areThey are lying liars who lie. That, or HR and staff management at these places is completely incompetent. I’m a fully qualified lab technician with years of experience in medical sample processing and PCR and I still couldn’t find work
at the height of the pandemic, when everyone was crying about how terribly understaffed the labs were. I applied to multiple hospitals and commercial labs and they either never got back to me or sent me a standardised “thanks for your interest but no thanks” email in response. When I brought up the discrepancy between the cries for help in the media and their actual hiring practices to people I knew who worked at these hospitals, they just shrugged and changed the subject.
I’m the ayrt and unfortunately things aren’t really looking up. I’m still very seriously considering going back to school for a different major (not least because years of rejection have really soured me on the field) but that would require me to take out a loan, which I’m hesitant to do with no guarantee of finding paid work afterwards.
Go into STEM they said. It’s guaranteed work they said.
>>1898087I relate to this so much, anon. Idk what stings more, the automated rejections to applications I poured so much time and effort into or the rejections that come after I do get invited to an interview and get my hopes up. People around me keep telling me to stop tailoring my cover letters to the position I’m applying to and just send out the same generic one, but an old supervisor told me they see through that right away and always throw those applications out. It’s painful to keep writing new ones but there’s no point in sending something generic they’ll throw out on principle, so I guess I’ll keep doing it.
Hopefully at least one of us finds something soon. If you do, please update us!
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Fellow job hunter nonnies, I would really appreciate your advice. Long story short, my time in school got cut because of a toxic advisor relationship, and in January they told me I'm leaving this semester. Right now my anxiety is through the roof because I feel overwhelmed with performing well in school, my GTA job, and job hunting on top of that. I feel pressure particularly to get a job because my rent ends by the end of July and if I don't get a job, I'll have to move back with my parents (and so spend money on moving). I'm so nervous that the situation may be that I find a job at the end of the summer or something and then I'll have to pay moving fees AGAIN to god knows where. My parents are lovely and they help me, but I feel awful when they have to sacrifice their finances for me. Another point of anxiety is simply managing all 3 of these important things. I need to maintain good standing academically and in my job, and often I feel like I have to sacrifice either time on that or time for job applications. It doesn't help that my mental health is in the toilet (though I'm really trying to remain positive and proactive, nonnas).
Does anyone have any advice on how to balance graduation and job apps? Thank you in advance.
No. 1906487
>>1905389It's so cringe. I might have to do it anyway, but I hate the idea of not only participating in the cringe, but people being able to track where I work and live. As time passes, I value the privacy of being an anon online. Social media horrifies me and it was the best decision to quit.
>>1905687>personal connections are probably more valuableThat's a really good point, nona. Networking sucks, but it's probably a better option for me than LinkedIn. Regarding SEOs though, that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid kek. I want to minimize my name-attached digital footprint as much as possible.
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i just had a 90 minute case interview
No. 1907874
>>1906819I looked at govt jobs but the pay/hours aren't worth the complicated application process where I have to pay for fingerprints/background checks/drug tests/etc.
>>1906806I don't know how to network. I know some people, but they all have specialized skills and haven't been able to help me so far. Volunteering might help. I looked at a few local organizations that I thought I'd enjoy helping out at but they want me to do a whole job application process too. I don't have enough self-esteem to endure begging to do menial labor for free and getting turned down right now. I'm gonna have to put a pin in that idea and come back to it next week maybe.
>>1907512Big fucking same, anon.
No. 1908096
>>1908085What country are you from? Every single time I have been background checked it is by a third party service. For me in the US I have seen GoodHire, HireRight, CheckR, and Sterling. These aren't HR staff for your direct employer. They are separate companies with a bunch of people that do shit like verify your SSN is real and check for your college in a student Clearinghouse to make sure you didn't lie about it. The cheaper of these companies use reviewers from other countries who cost less salary wise.
In my instance they keep on failing to verify my past employment which forces me to supply payroll documents myself. They are basically being paid by my employer even though I'm the one doing the work.
I don't really know what else to say besides that this is very clearly not a case of my new company's HR stringing me along.
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I'm bored of looking for an appropriate thread for this resource, but here's a database of some academic sexual misconduct cases:
https://academic-sexual-misconduct-database.org/Maybe it will help nonnas applying to programs.
I will say it is not comprehensive, and there is a methodology for how they include the cases. Even so, all of the major scandals (including profs convicted for sharing and possessing CSAW, soliciting minors, etc.) in my (small) field from the past ten years are missing, I'm going to send them a list so they can be added. Just be aware it isn't a complete database and right now it only includes cases in the USA; it's still useful though. And horrifying. Each entry includes links to press releases and statements.
No. 1910569
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Nonas please help me!!!!
I'm in my first year of community college. My parents are religious, old-fashioned Muslims who believe the only type of work a women should be doing is in the health field. I have always been a pushover with them so I listened to them and began studying for an associates in some Allied Health program. I don't want to do it, I'm not interested in it at all. But I don't know what else I can do. I am so retarded that I can never do anything without specific instruction so I dread getting a job later on. I've never had hobbies or actual interests in things that would lead to a career. I feel so stupid. Should I just go the Comp-Sci route and fight over other monkeys to find a job? What are some careers or fields your studied that paid off? Please, I need to get out of here.
No. 1910585
>>1910569I'm assuming you're retarded because you're sheltered as fuck, and if that's the case you'll be fine. At the moment it's difficult to get a job in tech so don't go down that route. I'd stick with your Allied Health program for now, and start to learn how to use your initiative.
Believe me, you are not the only person who's incapable of doing anything without instructions and hand holding. Look up guides on how to mask in social situations aimed at autists, look up therapy exercises and worksheets to help you grow a spine, learn how to make appropriate small talk with normal people, and look for a weekend job where you can practice being a functioning human. You will make lots of mistakes. Don't give up! Keep at it and you'll learn to be a functioning human in no time at all. Eventually, as you grow as a person, you'll begin to find things that interest you. If you want to switch programs, talk to the professors who teach that program, and to the students currently studying it, and see if you can sit in on some sessions, before you decide to switch. And don't tell your parents you're doing any of this or everything will go to shit.
I really believe in you, nonna. Don't throw your chance at freedom away in favor of being a hand-wringing doormat with no brain.
No. 1910597
>>1910569I would highly recommend visiting a guidance councilor, they should have offices on campus where you can either walk in or schedule an appointment to discuss your future. Don't feel embarrassed about going there, it is literally their job to help you with this exact issue. Nursing is a solid path where you won't need to worry about employability and will be free to live wherever you want, but it is very hard work. I wouldn't go down the compsci route if you've never had an interest in it before. It is very unlikely you will develop that interest in a stressful college environment surrounded by smug socially inept men who all know more about the subject than you do. Since it's your first year, you shouldn't be studying much more than the basic general ed classes that everyone needs, right? I don't know the specifics of an Allied Health program, but if you're taking general math/science/history, those credits should be transferrable to most universities. Community college is the perfect place to figure your shit out since it's cheap and you can take whatever classes you want.
Good luck, and honestly, even if nursing isn't for you, it's still a viable path out of your parents control. Many, many people go back to school later in life, and an associates is fucking nothing. Two years may seem like a huge investment now, but it's really not - especially if you get your general ed out of the way! Then it's only two more years for almost any other major. Just make sure the university is accredited so that the units transfer.
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I am becoming actually depressed at this point. I am finishing a year long traineeship in 2 months and have not received a full time offer from the company. I am trying to remain positive but things feel so bleak. I am applying for other jobs as a plan B and everyday I humiliate myself a bit more and lose my dignity a bit more. My self-worth has been tarnished and I feel incapable, useless and unwanted. I hate how I tie value to my job prospects, but I am a slave to money. I cannot afford to not have a job but no one is willing to give me an interview after so many applications. I truly hope that eventually the company will give me answer and that they want me to become an employee. I have performance review coming up in April and am hoping that I can address this with my supervisor.
No. 1911619
>>1910569I don’t have anything useful to add but
>religious, old-fashioned Muslims who believe the only type of work a women should be doing is in the health fieldWow, this explains why literally every employed Muslim woman I know is in the health field. I always thought it was because health jobs are (thought to be) guaranteed employment but didn’t realise there might be a religious/cultural aspect to it. I hope you find something that suits you, anon!
No. 1911699
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Nearly done with my last semester as a secondary education major. I keep seeing nothing but negativity about teaching all over social media. I did have a really great student teaching experience, but I am honestly terrified of having my own classroom. It is all I have ever dreamed of, but I might stick to subbing for a while. Are there any nonnies who can tell me what teaching is like in the US right now for you?
No. 1911716
>>1911699Not me personally, but my mom has been teaching elementary school for a few decades. She tells me that some classes/years are a bit fucked up due to social media, but for the most part a lot of students still act like normal kids. For reference, she teaches in a lower income school for an otherwise high income area, so I think that can also largely affect your experience. I heard from another that higher income students will treat you like garbage and lack respect way more. That person had a lot more negative experiences than my mom seemed to. However your experience will also heavily depend on your principal/admin staff from what I understand, because in situations where you need support, their response will make or break your ability to address issues. Best of luck,
nonnie, we need more capable teachers.
No. 1912344
>>1912319What do suicide rates have to do with how much students sexually harass you?
Asian parents are not like that at all in my area. But hey, you tell yourself whatever you need to make it through the day and keep your world view intact.
No. 1912689
>>1911699Not american but a teacher and I'm sorry, I wish I could tell you something to ease your nerves but I hate it so much, my life is absolutely miserable… My school isn't even in a bad part of the city and I teach very young kids but nevertheless get insulted daily and constantly have to physically stop my male students from running around like mad and/or beating each other. It's so exhausting.
I try to stay clear of news about students mass failing, teachers mass quitting and so on, that just makes you feel worse. In my country subs don't exist but we have additional teachers who tutor small groups of either very dumb or very gifted students and while paid less, their job seems so be much less stressful than having your own class like me. Whenever they have a problem, they have me handle it (despite me being a newbie nearly 40 years younger than her reee), they have zero parent work to do (which is one of the worst things), don't have to attend meetings or further training, don't organize trips and all the extra stuff, have much less material to prepare plus nothing to grade. They pretty much go home right after the students while I'm still sitting in school til 8pm.
No. 1912719
>>1911699I work at a public school, I don't think it's as bad as people say but things come and go. There are years with great students and sometimes they're terrible. I'm not sure how much you can move around but the nytimes made an article recently where you can compare how schools are doing post-pandemic. I noticed the school I work at is listed as above average, and the town is pretty supportive budget-wise.
>>1912703>keep in mind being grumpy and disenfranchised is what gets people to post online on the first placeThis too. I was following the teachers in transition board on reddit and there are so many annoyingly bitter posters on there that just talk shit, and when you look at their post history it turns out they got fired for creeping or being awful at their job.
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>>1912301I only have some experience teaching after school classes, but I've taught at both very nice and very bad schools.
Race is definitely hugely correlated with performance, but it really is just because it's a socioeconomic thing imo
Wealthier schools have very involved parents, usually for the better, but when it's bad, it's kind of terrible. I definitely prefer that to the terrible and/or neglectful parenting that's extremely common in schools in low income areas. Classroom management is hard when you have just 2 or 3 kids that are constant troublemakers. In poorer schools, most classes will have quite a few of these, and it is so impossible to get the class on track, especially because the bad students don't care about punishment, and the racial element makes navigating punishment feel like walking on eggshells. It also sucks shit to be accused of racism by a 10 yr old that chronically won't shut the fuck up to the point where even his peers are sick of it.
Zoomer/Gen alpha issues also feel worse in poorer schools. Poor kids have almost the same level of access to social media as richer kids nowadays, but they have way less access to healthier ways to socialize and spend time.
>>1911699I didn't reply earlier because my information is from right before the pandemic and therefore a bit outdated, but don't doom too hard. It does seem like it's pretty bad right now, but keep in mind that the most alarmist videos are from attention seekers, essentially. And just generally, social media has a serious negativity problem, since so many people use it to vent.
You're almost done. At this point, you won't lose anything by giving teaching a shot for a few years and seeing how it goes. There's no shame in switching careers later, and if anything, it would probably be easier to switch after a few years teaching versus if you decided to hunt for some other job straight out of college.
I ultimately decided not to continue pursuing work in education (because I dont have a teaching accreditation, and I like money and time lol) but there were a lot of things that I found quite nice about it. It's very fulfilling, and it sucks that how fulfilling a job is is part of the compensation package, but I do think that feeling fulfilled is very valuable.
That all said, the shit I see on Reddit is absolutely ridiculous. This post is a little more extreme than average but not much. It reads like a circlejerk subreddit (and the banner definitely doesn't help). Surely things haven't gotten this much worse in the past 5 years, right? Right?
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I got an administration job with a local branch of a national nonprofit. Wish me luck nonnies, i definitely lied in my interviews and i am already wishing i was still unemployed
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OMG I PASSED MY BOARDS EXAM NONNAS HOLY SHIT im so glad the last 8 years of my life werent for nothing!!!!
No. 1917161
Have any nonas done a PhD program to get a career in academia? I'm considering it and I'm pretty sure if I put my mind to it, I'll get in, but I'm scared of the workload and the tenure track rat race waiting for me post-graduation.
>>1917151Congratulations, nona!! That's amazing!
No. 1917480
>>1917160thanks
nonnie!! it means i can finally prescribe antipsychotics all you crazy ass bitches hehehe
>>1917161thank you!! btw all the phd candidates i knew basically said they enjoy what they do but its not worth it if you can find your passion elsewhere. its a lot of work but they were all good natured and seemed to have lives outside of research (and TAing lol)
No. 1917547
>>1917543*comparing the interns
Sorry, should've beta read
No. 1918217
>>1917535Ayrt, but to leave it a little vague the field I'm thinking of blends computing and business and I'm positive I could get into the program with a respectable stipend. Upon graduation, even lecturers in this field start at ~100k at R1 universities and tenure track can easily make double that, sometimes even more. School is the only thing I'm good at and the only place I thrive in, so everyone in my life has advised me to return. I honestly would love to go into something like literature, but the pay is so shit it's not worth it at all.
>>1917480Thanks for letting me know your feedback nona! I hope you enjoy prescribing us antipsychotics kek. I've been trying to decide between getting an MA in computer science and going into industry vs. getting a PhD in a business field and going into academia, and both seem like pretty rigorous paths.
>>1917543Fuck internships, my experience was like this too. They would constantly pit me against this other intern to be like, "See! He's such a team player!" because he was willing to come to social events like Beer Friday and karaoke and work way more than he was supposed to without pay (illegal). They also didn't teach me jack shit, the sense I got was that my direct supervisor was just flooded with work and they didn't want to hire another full timer and thought they would just get a student they could underpay and then dispose of when they felt like it. Which they did very unceremoniously during COVID without so much as a formal letter. Hope you can get out soon. Honestly just view it as resume fodder, don't let them make you feel bad or incompetent, they are the assholes.
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I'm assigned to cover my coworker while they're in an advanced certification program for two months, and it turns out they absolutely HATE it so far. It went from something they were excited to do to me seeing my adult coworker literally bawling her eyes out at our last group meeting. I'll find out soon if they're going to stick it out or not but I have a feeling this is going to completely tank the mood in our office. I wasn't entirely keen on covering their job either, but they did a ton of extra work in advance so I'm basically keeping things running, so to speak. When I asked if there was anything else I could do to help I was told it's entirely between her and the guy she's working with for the evaluations. It's a really awkward position.
No. 1924469
>>1923883I don't mainly do 3D but it's really in demand in design if you can do motion graphics (both for 2D and 3D, though I've seen 3D-only motion jobs). A lot of the older people hoarding the senior jobs can't do 3D and can't be bothered to learn so it's one thing that can set younger people coming into the field apart. If you're interested in pursuing that, learn Cinema4D and the Adobe suite (mainly Photoshop, Illustrator, AfterEffects, Premiere if you want to do video too; they're all easy to pirate so don't worry about the subscription), and learn basics of design and follow along with mograph tutorials to make projects for a motion reel.
In my experience everyone and their mom is trying to do web design (at least when I was in college, most of my classmates hated animating and only chose the web design briefs) so it's super saturated. But since you're learning programming, you could stand a better chance if you got good at both javascript/HTML/CSS and UI/UX design.
If you were thinking more about the game industry, there's always new jobs for technical artists but you need pretty in-depth technical skills (it'll vary from studio to studio but I've seen them ask for basic 2D art skills, modelling/sculpting, making materials in Substance and knowing a bit about the engine they use, usually Unity or Unreal) and everyone is getting laid off right now so there'll be too much competition.
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My workplace is pretty much on the brink of insolvency and I'm scared shitless, that means I'll most likely be laid off.
Is there any hope for me to find something else? I'm also up for relocation so I should be fine. Please, nonnas, tell me if there is any hope left.
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considering just taking a temp job as a barista or retail again after college while I try and find a real career. I need money and my unemployment is becoming a less and less viable option. I hate sitting around the house all day and having almost no money to leave the house
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>>1924554Start interviewing ASAP. Employers are being picky right now, so it'll take a few months for you to land an offer. If things turn around at your workplace, you can just reject the offer.
>I'm also up for relocation so I should be fine. Sadly layoffs can hit very high-performing employees and employees that are actively being invested in. Wishing you the best
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this shit honestly breaks my fucking heart. but at least i have another interview coming up (and two more calls from employers that didn't pick up when i called them back so i left voice mails and they haven't gotten back to me but anyway). second state job to get back to me out of nearly 30 applications and bam it's rescinded this sucks
No. 1926898
I've been out of engineering work for 11 months and it's killing me. I feel like once I reach the 1 year gap, I'm going to become virtually unemployable, at least according to Redditors on r/AskEngineers and r/cscareerquestions (not the best sources, I know).
My last and only job out of school was for 13 months as a power engineer at a small utility company and I ended up quitting because I had so much dread every day and would take my work home with me and fret about it, among other things. My boss, this stumpy Chinese man, would raise his voice and be so condescending to me whenever I made mistakes that I'd end up paralyzed and unable to think, looking like a deer in the headlights when put on the spot. I'd wake up in the morning, get to work, open up Altium Designer and feel complete soul-crushing doom as I hear the men around me talking about video games and anime and ever so subtly (but not really) flirting with me in a way that just made it seem like office playfulness, all the while being completely unable to socialize with them or be accepted in a way that just treated me as another one of the office drones. I know I brought this on myself, and I know that I made matters worse by not applying to jobs for 4 months after leaving, and I know that I should be grateful that I at least have a degree, but the market feels saturated and I have so much anxiety doing interviews that I'm not sure when this loop is going to end. I even went to a temp agency to apply to some retail and warehouse jobs for a little money and haven't heard anything back, and that was a month ago. I just want to start over and maybe see a doctor or something. I feel like the latter is a good idea either way.
No. 1928185
>>1927433I actually grew up catering in a family business! What sort of events?
Some general tips
> always double check the food/ chafing dishes/ sternos/serving utensils before leaving the kitchen>keep a fresh pair of socks / toiletries/ lighter on you. >if you can set up earlier, do it>the customer (host/bride) will ALWAYS be stressed ;try not to internalize it>stay hydrated… events can be exhaustingIf you are a nervous sweater, its ok to run around in a basic tee while you are setting up- before guests arrive. Then, you can swap over.
Oh! And trust me, get shoes that are made for the restaurant industry. Be prepared to walk miles in them.
Good luck nonna. May the event gods watch over you
No. 1930084
>>1929229Are you able to watch videos, listen to music, or podcasts while working? You can do some self help or just find something entertaining to do possibly. If anything this will give your out of work free time more freedom to do more things that probably need to be done, such as chores, practicing skills, exercise, socialization.
My job is kind of similar, but it's basically being in a building for presence, I've struggled with what happens after I get out of work because I feel like everyone else is busy and I'm alone. I've taken up to practicing drums, it's a nice challenge for me to do better each session.
No. 1930208
>>1927744These jobs will usually do pre-employment drug screenings unless there's an incident and they want to pin the blame on you.
Positions where you operate heavy machinery often have "random" drug testing, but it's not inexpensive so they tend to be pretty infrequent.
You see lots of tweakers in these positions because meth users only need to abstain for less than a week to pass their pre-employment drug tests. The tests are also not especially hard to cheese.
Weed lingers in your system for an abnormally long amount of time compared to most drugs, especially for heavy users.
No. 1930248
>>1929088At least you'll have one hell of a resume/portfolio for a new grad. Focus on spinning all of this bullshit into case studies and learning how to navigate office politics.
>>1929298It's impossible to say without any additional context.
No. 1930318
>>1930307My job is very cool but we're in a super niche field so I have a very specific set of skills but not a ton of experience in a more traditional job. I did really want to do a MA because I need to not be in my hometown anymore kek.
>>1930308It's the Royal College of Art in London so it's a pretty reputable school (despite past controversies). From what I've read they don't offer the Graduate Diplomas to just anyone either and it's still an in-person studio experience. I think just having a space to work on my portfolio could be a massive plus, and at the end of the program if I do well enough I can get into their MA program.
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>finally got an offer after 6 months of unemployment
>salary is roughly in the range i aimed for, but only 10 days PTO including sick
god damn, it's not even in my field. maybe I'm just spoiled coming from a company that offered 3-4 weeks (before sick) but america is hell, pray I can negotiate tomorrow nonnas
No. 1931497
>>1931419that's the plan, it's a marketing gig and that has potential to climb in a few different directions in creative fields, at least.
I managed to negotiate 15 days total PTO which is only slightly better (they couldn't offer any more) but still an adjustment. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited about it but I'm afraid of feeling like I'm "settling", also who knows when I'd get another offer. I'd love to hear back from this other job but this otherwise checks most of my boxes.
No. 1932264
>>1931751wish i had a work bestie.. praying for u nonna
>>1931497congrats on obtaining 5 more days! like the other anon said it's a great stepping stone, you're not settling or staying here forever.
No. 1932622
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My job is annoying the fuck out of me. I've been in that project for nearly three years now and the turn over rate is insane. HR is encouraging that shit too to save money and managers are overestimating what we can do when we're almost never fully staffed. I've seen some shit and I'm seriously considering quitting in a few months but if I quit I won't be able to get unemployment benefits and I really want that shit because of how many taxes I've payed for that, I know they won't fire me because they need me, and I really doubt they'll agree to just stop the job contract for this reason (which is legally different than being fired where I am, because I would get benefits from it but both parties have to agree to it). I feel like a need a real, long break before starting another job too so I don't want to look for another one right now and get burnt out from the stress, from being tired and from more personal things going on. I feel very conflicted over this right now.
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>>1886696ok so 1. got rejected but still contacted the employee who gave me her #, told her i was going to this conference related to the job (when i shadowed last year saw binders in some employees offices for it and looked it up) she went to conference as well
2. went to the really cool conference and we spoke a bit, i stayed professional and just talked a little about life and job related stuff. it was a little awkward because she was a little difficult to talk to but she is basically the same age as me. and i have no hard feelings about the rejection, it is what it is
3. boss just emailed me again stating how she told him i was there and if i wanted to interview again him and the boss-boss would like to, obviously i said yes.
ok well damn that was unexpected. i wonder how i should prepare. i already had a bunch of rejections from other jobs i applied to and some were out of state and i don't really want to move away from muh nigel. this is my best bet. i am finally graduating after 7 years of college and this past year has been kind of shit, i was worried things would get worse before they got better but maybe i've still got this.
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>>1933004I tried to apply for a job at a hardware store and it had the stupid AI chatbot thing too. I copy-pasted the title of the listing from the corporate website with the store number into the chat when it asked what I wanted to apply for and it said there were no openings at that location. So there's just literally no way to apply for a job at the location that is supposedly desperately hiring.
No. 1934734
>>1934531I've used lots in the past, I highly recommend using them if you have a shit work history and/or need something ASAP. Even if you just want more experience in a certain area.
The more agencies you sign up with the better. Expect shitty jobs and scummy people, but don't let it get to you, most of these jobs last anywhere from a day to a few months, and there's sometimes the possibility of being taken on as a permanent member of staff where you're working if they like you.
Working a bunch of different jobs will give you a shitload of experience and that can be enough to get your foot in the door for a permanent job you actually want.
The type and quality of work you get offered really depends on your experience and how much the agency staff like you. The more you work with them, the better the jobs will get.
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>>1927767> I wanna help the community but I hate children.By giving the “community” cancer? Kek
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why every design job is either unattainable (i didn't finish my education yet and have no actual work experience in design) or some nft ai crypto bullshit. i will NOT draw crazy ape type shit for a minimum wage. i will NEVER generate slop i will NOT become a proompter. this is so retarded
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No. 1934840
I do not give a fuck about my job, about work in general, about a "career". I wasn't made to be a cog in a 9 to 5. Inb4 about any sort of privilege, it sickens me that no one asks to be born and yet we're expected to work to survive almost all of our lives. Because of this I have 0 issues taking advantage of my workplace, especially when the higher ups are taking advantage too; monkey see monkey do. Oh you leave early nearly every day? Idgaf that your title is "CXX", i'm leaving early too. And speaking of titles, I don't kiss ass nor do I cower or treat any CXX differently just because they're "higher up", most of these fuckers do literally nothing. I dont respect you more cause of your shiny title. I don't care about taking as many sick days as I want. And i also don't care if this comes to bite me in the ass and I get fired, because I WILL find another, better paying job as I always have. I stay at jobs for at least a year and then will change if the desire to kill myself becomes too strong, and there's nothing wrong with that. "Oh anon you arent showing these companies loyalty!" ok and? As if any of these places wouldnt axe you if it benefited them. I am constantly on the lookout for better opportunities for myself and wont settle for anything less. Insane that's looked at as a negative trait
I'm also a person without any children, so it's easier for me to be more daring with my jobs. But anyway, life is quite literally too short to be crying about taking a single sick day off in three months; take advantage! Manipulate the job around you! As long as it isnt some mom and pop shop/a job that will truly get fucked by you doing this (I do have some morals) fuck it!
No. 1935021
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I finally got a potential job. I keep saying potential, because even though they offered to hire me, I have to fill out so much insane paperwork. All my past jobs and housing going back 5 years. Like wtf. It's only because this place is not government, but located inside a government facility. I'm mentally exhausted. I sent all all the physical paperwork last week and now they are saying they need 3 more contacts to verifiy why I was unemployed during oct 2022-march 2023 and again in Nov to now. I am hunting people down on my insta to ask for permission to use their names and numbers since I have exhausted my irl contacts. This job better be worth it.
No. 1935370
>>1934980Congrats
nonnie! Glad you got something for how much time and energy it took.
No. 1936889
>>1936820it doesn't work and companies have lied to us, I personally can't trust that. It also seems like every single vaccinated person gets sick way more than unvaccinated. During a COVID outbreak at my hospital it was vaccinated people getting COVID over and over, and I had it once, felt like a small cold, never had it again. The real question should be why are you supporting a vaccine that was a complete flop instead of holding companies accountable?
>>1936831Yeah, I had a medical exemption because I was seeing an OBGYN who noticed a side effect was more frequent and heavy periods, I am a period fainter and even had to get blood transfusions due to them before so she wrote me an exemption. Ofc after a while, people just started gaslighting people with side effects and most places won't even accept a medical exemption or think you're bullshitting. I guess I'm in the wrong since I'd rather have a cold (that the vaccine doesn't prevent anyway??) than to pass out twice as much
No. 1937030
>>1935792I see, thanks for sharing nonna and good luck! Death investigation sounds super interesting
>>1936820Not getting one (1) vaccine =/= being anti vax. Are all the people who don't get the flu shot every year antivax? No. (Just a comparison, not saying the covid
is the flu). How can you even say that to someone without knowing their condition & medical history anyway.
No. 1937314
>>1937030i am
>>1935792 and also not covid vaxxed, the only thing they asked from me was some info for a background check. since you said it sounds interesting, if you are the anon wanting to leave the medical industry, a background in anything medical is considered good and there's jobs everywhere in death investigation. coroner systems can run operations the way they want to (one county asked for my immunization record just to observe a few autopsies and they were still testing decedents for covid, they still let me in though). avoid medical examiner systems i think they're more strict as one asked me for my vax card to even go in. it's not an oversaturated industry but they don't pay 6 figures or anything. the benefits are fantastic though. the coroner i'm going to be working under is extremely pro workers' rights and even pays for employees to continue education.
look for work in red counties. i am also tired of being considered overall anti vax. i got my updated tdap last year, i'm not getting a useless covid vaccine or a flu shot. i used to work at a pharmacy, working in the medical field shows you that in burgerland it is a business like any other. No. 1938456
>>1938441Just say you're studying to become a developer. Throw in some buzzwords that are used a lot there and most of them will think it's something super serious.
I had the same situation when I was studying front end, saying that you're working with loops, callbacks, js etc sounds a lot more impressive than saying you're making a button kek
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>"offer contingent on bg check"
>start date is wednesday – so, tomorrow
>sent in employment application, bg check agreement, and acceptance for a credit check verification on friday
>heard nothing back from company since friday
in this situation i message them today, tuesday, around noon or earlier right? just a quick "what time should i come in tomorrow?" perhaps? losing my mind a little here kek
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>>1939550It was a zoom meeting
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I'm using my PTO to finish up some university stuff, and holy shit my timing could not have been more perfect, I feel bad for the two colleagues substituting for me for the Easter period. I still check mails at the end of the day out of morbid curiosity, and yesterday a problematic, big profile task arrived, and it involves everything I hate most about my job: direct contact with my manager, drawing up contracts from scratch and dealing with the most pompous, zero-attention-span director from an off-site department. I feel bad for my colleagues but I'm bleeeesseeeeed
No. 1941073
>>1941067Thanks, I appreciate/needed the honesty. You’re likely right so I should stop worrying.
>>1941069Thanks! This is my first job so I didn’t know if I went too over the top but I felt like it was the right thing to do. Good advice btw, I will try that if someone says anything.
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I had the worst job interview ever this afternoon. It was for a small doctor's office front desk. I've done front desk before at two jobs for a while, but when I came in, there was an empty lobby with no one there to greet you.
I followed the text message instructions to head to the first room on the left and the guy looked annoyed. I got there 12 mins early, so he told me to wait. I didnt mind that, but he already seemed like he had a problem with me getting there early.
I waited until i was called to the room and the very first question he asked me, THE ABSOLUTE FIRST was: "Do you have any kids? Because people with kids aren't that reliable. I need someone who is dedicated to being on time for here for ths job."
Wtf, that really caught me off guard. How utterly irrelevant and completely illegal btw. It falls under the discrimination act where you are not allowed to ask questions based on race, sex or disability. I told him that question wasnt relevant to the job and it wasnt okay for him to ask me that, then he kept squinting at me and saying he needed someone who is nice and not defensive for the job. He dodged nearly all my questions and kept going on about people need to wait for him to finish speaking before asking any questions.
it was sketchy and I left out of there 10 mins later to get myself an iced coffee down the street. The actual fuck is wrong with men? Like holy fucking shit. I left a bad review on glass door to warn others. I hope he never gets anyone to work for him.
No. 1941240
>>1941148That is horrible and you should actually try to sue them for discrimination kek. Even if you don’t win anything at the very least that moid will get fired and be out of a job himself.
I swear so many fuck ass interviewers are such pricks because they’re too high on their own snot to realize that they could be in the same position tomorrow if their trash company decides to lay them off. Those assholes need to be humbled. And it’s quite funny because they don’t realize interviews are two-way and that the candidate they often want has other choices so them being
toxic in the interview is a surefire way to alienate their hiring pool.
No. 1941280
>>1941240Sadly the most I can do is try to warn others by leaving the glass door review. I truly hope anyone else he interviews doesnt work for him or quits immediately. It was just red flag after red flag. It didn't help he worked along side his wife and daughter too in the practice.
>>1941226Haha, legit. I'm glad I went in person so I can know how bad it was. if the interview was that awful, why would I ever work for him?
No. 1941778
>>1941298Maybe I should do this. Kek
>>1941293He owns the practice. Best I can do is move on. I already posted my glassdoor review. I doubt he make much money. Just be happy I'm not him to be honest while I do me.
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>>1934980i am starting training tomorrow wish me luck
No. 1943125
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Is it normal for your employer to tell you, "well, I know you're here for ABC – you have experience in those things – but we also want you to do XYZ 123 and a flip?" I genuinely don't mind (I plan to stick it out for a year or two and bounce and double my salary), I just don't want them to think I can move mountains simply because I have a CS degree and six months of help desk experience haha. I'll give it my best effort and all (within the confines of only ever giving it 75% so I don't burn out) but yeah…
Am I wrong for confessing when I haven't seen something before by the way? I normally go, "well, yes, I'm not familiar with this specific program or whatever but I have used [x] thing which is similar, and I'm confident I could pick it up with time." I'm also the company's first in-house tech hire, and they've outright said "well some of this stuff you'll just have to pick up on your own, sorry nonnie" so I assume they understand I'm not some tech god who knows everything. They saw my resume, spoke to me, and still chose to hire me. But sometimes I'm not sure. A lot of the conversations I've had so far go, "well I know you've seen this, you're experienced, this is going to make a lot of sense," etc. etc. etc.
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does anyone have an evangelist/very religios boss and/or the whole business is run by family (including HR)? wondering about your experiences because I love my job but sometimes the pressure and anxiety literally makes my heart rate pound in my neck
No. 1943186
>>1943125I’m not even trying to fear monger but save as much as you can, connect as much as you can, and get the hell out of that job in an upcoming year or two when they inevitably place all of the work on you so they don’t have to pay for more experienced workers. You’re a woman they’re definitely going to think you’re a supertech/supermom of the office and rest everything on to you and make you even more stressed and burned out. This is unfortunately how employment works in the West now, you have a honeymoon where they act all nice to bitter you up so you don’t understand the rest of the subtle fucked-up shit they are doing and then you get so burned out you have to find another job, even the ones where people think are “decent” it’s like this. Stay enough to gain experience and relationships but don’t constantly move around, but definitely move around. You gotta branch swing, gain as much experience and lessons from this job to get to a better one
nonny, I know you can do it. I know those tech jobs are absolute hell if you haven’t found out how to be one of those people in tech who can somehow make six figures+ without doing anything.
No. 1944547
>>1943540I'm a bitch to my coworker who cheats on his wife. It's not the only thing I hate about him and I don't see why I should be helpful or friendly to a repulsive scrote. Of course, you can't do anything that would put your job at risk e.g. refusing to do something that's part of your tasks or refusing to reply to him kek. But being cold, not starting conversations, etc. is fine imho. I don't reply to him when he says hi while walking in but I reply to everyone else kek. That kind of things.
>>1942521How is it anon?
No. 1944555
>>1944547This is how I how I treated my particularly scrotey, misogynistic coworkers at my last job and it pissed them off so much, but there’s nothing they could do about it (except shit talk me to our extremely pickme supervisor oops) because there’s no company policy that you must smile at your coworkers or laugh at their shitty jokes.
Unfortunately the cheater at that job was the boss. Nearly everyone knew about it and he invited his mistress to work parties held at his house. She’d hang out with his daughter. Bunch of scumbags.
No. 1945967
>>1944555>he invited his mistress to work parties held at his house. She’d hang out with his daughter. What the actual fuck.. Glad you got out of there, sounds upsetting. Good job pissing off the scrotes tho!
>>1945633Wow anon that's awesome! Congrats and enjoy
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>>1948190u can do it
nonnie, i believe in you
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I was at my first tech networking event tonight and was so shy. Didn’t really talk to anyone so I went home within an hour.
No. 1948520
>>1948402Could you notify them of your absense or put an automatic reply on your email?
>>1948389Kek
nonny. I once got VERY shitfaced at a work conference and I still feel deeply ashamed 4 years later.
No. 1948540
>>1948022That really sucks
nonny. How did your work day go?
No. 1948541
>>1948402Have fun in Disney
nonny! Which park is it?
No. 1949892
>>1948685>>1948540hi nonnas op here from
>>1948022 my work day wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, I just tried to rein in my personality a bit (I'm quite naturally loud and excitable) and it honestly helped that the shitstirring manager was not in kek. also, sorry if it wasn't specific but shitstirring manager did not make a formal complaint, but she did mentioned it to my line manager twice now, so sorry for not being specific. when I got in yesterday my line manager had written me an email with everything outlined from our one-to-one meeting so I do have it on paper. I told her at the time that if people are upset with me they need to tell me and that was recorded too. fyi the shitstirring manager seems to find fault in a lot of people on the team and surrounding it - I'm going to see how this goes until my next feedback meeting and if she keeps being backstabbing I'm going to say its wholly unfair to expect someone to alter their personality to match one person on the team. I'm just happy I've got a direct line manager who I get along with tbh
No. 1950705
>>1949408The other nonas are right that you should just try to enjoy it, but that's easier said than done.
Why do you think hard work is important to you? Do you believe in working hard to improve society, do you simply feel anxious and uncomfortable when you feel like you're slacking off, or is it something else?
Also, what sorts of jobs have you had in the past, and do you consider yourself a high achiever?
Depending on your answers, you might just need a way to keep yourself more busy during the day, or you might need to seriously think about what sort of jobs line up with your values and what kind of work you would feel good spending your life doing.
>>1950228Imo this attitude is usually an emotional thing that happens to people raised by (often immigrant) parents that really emphasize the value of hard work and that shame you any time you stop to rest. Some people like this end up on Twitter and rationalize their guilt by framing it in terms of privilege, but I don't think Twitter is what causes them to be this way. (And the ones that are loudest about it don't tend to be hard workers.) This a pretty normie anxiety way of thinking and is very common irl.
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I'm so fucking tired of the job hunt. I'm this anon
>>1887910 here. Still fucking NOTHING and I've been applying since January to god knows how many jobs. Got one phone screening, one interview and one video interview. Rejected from all of them even though the recruiters tell be me applications and CV is good. Same situation with my uni peers. No one can fucking find anything. Some even get rejected from food manufacturing jobs that require 0 experince or education. It's starting to feel fucking hopeless. How can any of us even graduate if none of us can even get any traineeship roles that are required to complete the degree??
No. 1952877
>>1952025Looks like anon deleted her post but yess get her ass.
If her job is not hard and the money is decent, then she should fund hobbies and passions outside of the work to make up for how boring it is. The mind numbing work actually makes enriching free time feel that much sweeter.
No. 1955654
>>1954917This is how I feel too. I went into STEM because all my other interests were ‘soft’ subjects with few job opportunities like history and art, but now I’m struggling to find work while people I know who did major in those subjects were able to network themselves into good positions. Some of them aren’t even good at what they do, they just had good connections.
Meanwhile everyone thinks I should be able to find work easily with my background and assumes I must simply not be trying, but it’s an acknowledged problem within the field that nearly all the entry level jobs are filled by students (often unpaid) and heavily subsidised foreigners, whereas the rare non-entry level positions require 5-10 years of experience and are usually filled internally. It really pisses me off that no one pointed this out BEFORE I started my master. Whenever I expressed anxiety about finding work it was “oh you’re smart you’ll be fine” and as soon as I graduated that turned into “yeah things suck here lol good luck”. Cool, thanks.
No. 1955820
>>1955654AYRT and I could have written this, I agree on everything. Shit sucks. Good luck out there
nonny, we’ll need it
No. 1957164
>>1957155It’s usually
republicans who have never gotten their hands dirty in their lives and have a degree themselves who say this
No. 1957375
>>1957155>I swear they’re from that predominant crowd of unemployed, uneducated males that apparently is responsible for most comment sections on the internet.It’s funny how most of their evidence of the seemingly fail-proof 90 dollar per hr wage from working a trade comes from vaguely “having a buddy” or “knowing a guy.” Like okay, if that’s what we’re doing, I anecdotally know way more people who got rich from having something to do with a college degree.
Going to college absolutely isnt for everyone, but why are some people so convinced that a trade is? I know r/teachers catches a lot of flak on this site for being cringe, usually rightfully so. but I remember a thread from a while ago where teachers were talking about how their worst students who were functionally illiterate, terminally glued to their phones, and had attendance issues out the arse would roll their eyes when asked to do school work and say they were just going to join the trades (where you DO need a healthy understanding of mathematical reasoning and work ethic, the kind you gain in school,) after graduation to become rich. This is what that drivel is producing.
No. 1957425
>>1957375The "trades will make you rich" crowd is so
toxic. Most trades don't even make more than 25/30 an hour and majority of them will work 80+ hour weeks to scrape by and thinks it's honorable they need to work more than a slave while living less. On top of that a lot of blue collar moids think their job gives them a free pass to act like an asshole at all times for no reason when they literally just play with machines all day and don't actually do heavy lifting or hard work. Not to mention a lot of trade schools can be overpriced and scammy
No. 1957460
>>1957425Okay… $25 or $30 per hour is a lot of money though?
If I can sperg: Not that it wouldn't be miserable to work 80 hours per week but $25-$30 per hour working that much overtime would be 130k-156k per year. That's with regular time and a half overtime pay – if you had a contract with doubletime pay over a certain number of hours it would be even more.
130k-156k is way more money than most people will see every year. Even without insane overtime it's 52k-62k. A minimum wage job in the US is 15k/year. You're talking about 25-30/hr like it's chump change. I'm really curious what job you have or degree you're getting that makes it seem like a such a small number to you? Am I just a poor or what?
Not saying you're wrong about the trade schools being scummy.
No. 1957506
>>1957460You sound poor and/or naive. What has your participation in the labor force been like, and do you pay your own bills?
Working 80 hours weeks is extremely unreasonable. Most people (moids) who claim to be doing this work jobs with very long hours but a relatively large amount of downtime spent waiting around or driving. Alternatively, they may have a union job with an easily abusable overtime system, but jobs like this are not that common. 80 hours a week of actual work is backbreaking and most employers try very hard to avoid paying overtime. Just look at what they do to avoid paying for health insurance.
The 40 hour a week salary could be reasonable depending on your area, though. Discussions of salary online are dominated by people living in HCOL areas, where 55k is not enough to get by comfortably if you don't have a roommate/partner or if you have kids, and you will never be be able to accumulate savings.
Minimum wage isn't a good point of comparison either because it's so laughably low that hardly anybody gets paid that little. Go look for entry level grocery store positions, and you'll probably see the lowest skilled positions (cashiers, associates) starting hourly rates around $11 in low cost of living areas to $18 in HCOL cities, give or take.
No. 1957511
>>1957460>$25 or $30 per hour is a lot of money though?it's low depending on where you live, in most places it's only enough for a lower end apartment and food with little to no savings, definitely not "raking in the bank unlike those stupid college kids" that they try to petal
also your math is wrong, it would only be around 100k yearly, likely way less since hundreds of dollars will be taken out each paycheck in taxes and health insurance, you're likely only making damn near 60-75k in take home and will die at 40 for peanuts
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>>1957506>What has your participation in the labor force been likeI've been working hourly wage jobs for 15 years (only counting adult working years, not teenage part time work) with a brief period of 2 years being salaried for 55k/yr. I've worked 80 hour weeks but it's miserable, drove me away from both jobs that did it to me. I wasn't trying to say that's a good idea.
Yes I pay my own bills. I am poor you got me there.
>it's so laughably low that hardly anybody gets paid that little.Is that really true? I worked for minimum wage for years when I was starting. It has been like ten years since I made that little but it doesn't feel that long ago to me. I know inflation went crazy but it's not like employers are making up the difference by throwing money at us. A lot of them must be paying state minimum wage if not federal. They don't want to give you anything they don't have to.
>>1957511I was using an online calculator I didn't check the math but it seemed right. you can check it
https://goodcalculators.com/overtime-calculator/ I don't see the point in taking out taxes when we're talking about base pay. that would be like subtracting rent to say you make less than you do, but it's just part of living where you live.
60-75k doesn't seem like peanuts to me but you're not wrong it's not worth breaking your back over it and dying at 40 or working insane hours.
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>>1957155When I lived in Alberta we had people drop out of high school in grade 10 so they could get a head start in trades. My BIL didn’t get his GED until he was 30 because he had been working since he was 16. You can make a decent living if your trade is in the oilfield. I’ve seen many rigpig men own two houses, a big RV, quads, decked out trucks & more working as an oilfield operator. It’s really unfair.
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>>1957460I started working about 10 years ago in a medium cost of living area, and starting at minimum wage was still decently common, I agree, though in my time and area it was mostly reserved for people with very little experience, high schoolers, and people of dubious immigration status, mostly because getting 25 to 50 cent raises was decently easy. But this has changed a lot, especially since the pandemic.
The "high wage growth" and "real wages keeping up with inflation" that you've probably heard about and that economics keep jacking off about is mostly affecting those who were earning the least. It seems like you've escaped the bottom 20% earnings bracket, so you wouldn't really be feeling the difference.
No. 1958493
>>1957752Say this
>>1957766 or that you were caring for a sick family member. Postgrad gap years aren't uncommon, so it shouldn't be a big issue unless you're aiming for one of the industries currently in a slump.
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really, really pissed off that this bitch tried to tell my boss that i was "looking at a random site" wrt a task at work. that "random site"? learn.microsoft.com aka where they put all their official documentation.
all she had to do was follow the steps on their site instead of turning it into this big deal that took an hour to….not even actually resolve, because she pretended to be retarded and didn't give me admin privs. god i hate this and i'm not ready for monday when i need to speak to their "azure server expert." i'm pretty sure the issue is that the company wants to charge mine more to do this. i'm pretty sure i can do it myself, and god it'll look GREAT on my resume if this goes through, i'm just new to the software and not sure of how. but it CAN be done.
i think this was a good experience for me though, especially since i had this crazy delulu fantasy that me and this rancid bitch would be pals because tehe we shared the same name and are both women in a male dominated industry. never trust anyone, i hope she shits herself
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I'm really thankful for my new job
great benefits, I get my own office, I'm being paid an excellent salary for my LCOL area, don't get me wrong I am NOT ungrateful, but I feel it's a dead end. Or I fear it
could become one, anyway. It's a vaguely tech job in a non tech industry and the majority of my duties don't involve much programming or tech stuff. At the moment I'm just:
>Running SQL queries to pull information from the database.>Cleaning data with SQL (hopefully – the company needs to purchase an integration tool for me to use). >Learning the product, and a bunch of corpo software (Dataverse). And that's it. In the future, I might get to use PowerBI for data visualization + HTML/CSS/Javascript for front end/back end shenanigans.
I'm this nona
>>1943125 (TL;DR: the company's only tech hire) and I'm basically wading out all by myself and doing a lot of "research" from day to day (e.g. googling best practices from senior developers, referring to documentation, and asking ChatGPT if I get REALLY stuck on something or need to talk out my thought process with the world's best auto complete) so I dunno if I'll be okay in a year or even a month out. I'm definitely trying my best every day…my juvenile dreams of being an 1337 cryptographer or ML specialist or ethical hacker are probably dead in the water though, kek…
No. 1961713
>>1961331I'm not a PhD but am a skilled immigrant and know numerous people who did this. How easy it is to stay depends on your target country (e.g. you're basically guaranteed to be able to stay in Germany or Canada, while in the UK or Switzerland the bar is higher). Oftentimes student visas come with a year or two of sponsorship-free employment, but finding an industry sponsor in general is extremely difficult unless you're targeting a career in tech, pharma, engineering/manufacturing, or finance (particularly quant at HFT firms). Most employers are reluctant to gamble on new grads even without sponsorship as a consideration, so if you planned on going the industry route, you'd have to focus on making yourself as attractive a candidate as possible while studying (e.g. internships, research on an emerging hot topic in your field of choice).
Most worthwhile countries do have a path to permanent residency particularly for academics that's actually much easier than it is for industry workers, but I'm not sure how/if postdoc roles factor into that, and academia is a pyramid scheme, so banking on tenure track is a bad idea unless you're entering one of the global top programs in your field.
If you're planning on studying in a field where there isn't industry demand for PhDs and you aren't a nepobaby, your most realistic options for staying are marriage, becoming a teacher (there's enormous demand in english-speaking countries right now and a PhD would look attractive to international schools), targeting a country with a PR track that doesn't require sponsorship, or finding a stupid cheat code visa like DAFT.
Sorry if you're already studying and this is all totally irrelevant to you.
No. 1962322
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i work as a software developer and i hate coding. it’s so repetitive and tedious and i suck at it. i feel too stupid to have this job. i feel like i spend all day asking for help from my colleagues. i regret getting a compsci degree i want to rip my hair out god
No. 2005801
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Corporations are full of Regina George-types. I already knew this, but it's even worse than I thought. I'm doing a training class right now and literally every third girl in the class is like this. Literally every third. They talk like a mean girl in high school and act like one - bossy, talk way too much ("Can you just like blablablablablabla, can you just blablablablablabla?"), everything carefully passive aggressively foiled as being "nice", have at least one spineless lackey that goes with everything they say and do (Including also being a passive-aggressive asshole to you).
It's also amazing just how so many things are very covertly designed by psycho leadership to humiliate the shit out of you. One exec walked into our training class and literally the first thing she did was make our whole class stand on one leg because she "wasn't feeling the energy". At one point the trainer literally made all of us get up and start singing. It felt like the Walmart Fight Song, where everyone is forced to sing WE AAAREE, WE AAAREE, WAAALMART! It was my birthday the other day so I didn't say anything until the next day because I knew weird corpocult would try and do some creepy shit like walking in with a cake, making me blow candles, and making everyone sing "Happy birthday!" to me. That's exactly what they did anyway. It felt like I was in an episode of Twilight Zone with everyone fake smiling straight at me and loudly singing at me. Nice gesture, but in hindsight everything corpos do just makes you feel uneasy as hell. Corpo men in leadership act so creepily nice that you would think they are secretly serial rapists and corpo women in leadership act so creepily nice you would think they secretly stab their cat for fun.
Also it's mental health awareness weak and my training center has a bunch of posters plastered on the wall about it. I'm walking behind one of these bitches and two guys. The bitch reads out the one that says "Mental illness isn't a choice" and just obnoxiously goes "I disagree". Holy shit, these chicks are one nasty piece of work.
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>>2005801>>2010775these people are sheltered enough to not ever have contact with homeless people, the only "mentally ill" people they encounter are bitches who are addicted to benzos, someone with an ED (which for these retard is a "slay") or a family member malingering mental jillness to get out of working and studies. people who think mental illness is not real should be locked in a room with insane people until they learn it.
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Company poached me from consultancy I worked for 9 months ago. Last month they fired half the organisation I worked in and now have made me "at risk for redundanacy" which basically means I have 1 week to find another job on their shitty internal website (there are none) or I am redundant.
Why did I jump ship. I can't beleive they fucked me like this. I've been applying for jobs the past week and I've only been getting automatic rejection letters. Are things really that bad in tech now?
No. 2019184
>>2011082Is it
completely unrelated? You could list only the tasks/projects that relates (even vaguely) to your field and the role (even if said tasks/projects were like 1% of your work). Otherwise if it is completely unrelated, yeah list your skills and put the emphasis on your studies
>>2014406What a nightmare anon. Can you go back where you were before? You'll find something, stay strong.
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I was recently given something to work on that I've been finding so challenging that I'm running behind schedule and am going to end up giving one shitty deliverable. It's making me want to rip my hair out…and feel embarrassed because for some wild reason I've been getting alot of praise at work. A coworker even said I inspire her today. wtf I have no clue why but that makes it worse because now I feel like a disappointment.
No. 2149966
hey nonnas! i am 20 and going into my final year of my bachelor's studies, and i'm feeling very lost about what the fuck i'm going to do with my career and life. i'm sorry in advance for the long post, but i would really appreciate any advice/thoughts from those with more life experience after university or really anybody lol
>studying polisci & economics - equivalent to a double major
>in czechia so bachelors is 3 years, my 3rd/final year starts in october
>chose study programmes because they sounded fun to study, but made bad decision without thinking about what to do with this degree after graduating (yes im retarded)
>im good at school but my grades are the only thing i have going for me
>i like politics but dont want to be an academic, NGO/UN member, or politician
>my strongest classes are all stats/mathematics/econ (im autistic and good at math)
for a while i was mainly interested in statistics & data analytics, and in year 2 i was pretty sure i would end up working as an actuary or something. i did an internship in data analytics for an actuarial firm, performed well, and they offer one or two select interns long-term paid work, so i ended up becoming a remote, almost full-time employee. all the work is done on excel anyway and ig it's more convenient so they just have every entry level person do that. i'm rarely so certain something is entirely not for me, but it was SO bleak and brain-numbing. i'm fine with not enjoying a job all the time, i just need to tolerate it. and everyone i talked to in this field seemed to sort of want to kill themselves (weird vibe)
i now have the experience to finally realize i actually would hate doing this kind of job for my whole life. i ended up struggling with motivation and barely could force myself to do projects. i quit this position last month, and my cope is because i totally just need to "focus on studying for the final year state examinations." staring at excel all day plugging shit in is so insanely boring and redundant. the lack of new situations or anything unexpected/interesting, and lack of human interaction made it like depressing and bleak. i also don't want to be an antisocial desk-job stemcel, bc i know theyre all depressed lol. the repetition was satisfying to my autist brain at first though tbh
i tried it, and i learned it wasn't a good fit for me, which would be fine because people change directions all the time. but i feel like i wasted the last 2 years, and i do not have any other useful skills or valuable experience. so, when i am looking for a job after graduation, i feel like i won't have a shot at anything serious.
i think my CV is really useless and disjointed. here are the random things i have done in the past 2-3 years:
>the above data analysis L stuff
>in year 1 mainly i got paid to do social media management and graphic design for some businesses
>i worked as a translator and copyeditor for this bilingual rus/eng literary journal during year 1 (it was super easy lol, i mostly was checking others' work and redoing some of the translated text make it "flow" more naturally)
>i've published some writing over the past 3 years - short stories (fiction) and creative nonfiction in various magazines & literary journals (i love to write, but i don't see it as a viable job, and wouldn't want to make my hobby a job)
>i capitalized really hard on being half ukrainian in 2022 and they paid me like 50 euros for writing nonfiction opinion pieces about the war for czech news sites
>used to also freelance online translation/writing projects in rus/cz/eng in years 1 and 2 of uni
>i worked as a barista when i was 18
>i have a ton of volunteer hours helping out at my university and faculty of study. i helped my professors with organizing some events and one conference, i re-coded the crappy website and made a logo and the page layout look nice, and i wrote the speaker bios and a bunch of text for the website ? (my professors like me at least, so that might be one thing going for me)
>i know how to use a bunch of software and programming languages i guess if that means anything
i feel like this track record shows me as the kind of person who has no consistent experience or commitment to any particular "field," and just spastically jumps around between whatever random things. and since i chose degrees that i don't see myself obviously following the logistical career trajectories of, i think i'm fucked.
obviously, getting hired after graduating is a worry of mine, not only because i'd feel like shit if i had to ask my mother for money then, but also because i'm afraid of "drifting" in life. some of my classmates seem to have clearer goals in mind, a lot of them also dont know what theyre doing, but it feels like pathetic to be a year away from graduating and not feeling like ive made meaningful use of the time ive spent here. i feel like i should have spent the last 2 years knowing what i wanted to do, and gaining experience in that specific thing. and since i wasted my chance to figure out something definitively, im worried that when i graduate ill still have 0 ideas for my life and the only difference will be a degree.
i think i just need to pick one career goal, and commit to it, and stick with it at this point. here's what i'm considering:
>i have an autistic fascination with law, and i'm wondering if i could become a paralegal. my friend's sister works for a law firm and she has told me she thinks it could be a good fit for me? the thing is, i have no educational background pertaining to law besides very basic shit from my politics classes kek. i was browsing job openings at the entry level and they actually don't require you to specifically have studied law (it depends on who's hiring) and multiple languages at working proficiency is a plus, i guess. so i could concievably do this and from what ive read, it sounds appealing to me as its a combination of formulaic redundancies and also new situations so you dont get really bored. but im thinking maybe having 0 legal experience would hurt me, or it would be dumb to jump in unprepared.
>if i get really desparate i could be a language teacher somewhere or maybe give private lessons, which is my mother's job? its kind of common here for people to do this and teach kids. it seems like another time wasting placeholder job but its a backup option if nothing else
>should i just force myself to become a deskjob excelfag even if i dread the work? because this is the most logical and clear option for me i guess
am i really cooked or is this somewhat redeemable - like am i really as behind in life for my age as i feel like i am? what would you decide to do with my life if you were me? any advice or suggestions if you have more experience in like any of these careers? is there something that hasnt occurred to me?
No. 2154452
>>2149767>get on my knees and beg for the slightest chance of an interviewwelcome to the state of the current economy haha
I just saw a job listing and applied, only after did i realize all the way at the bottom of the page "this listing is an EVERGREEN listing, if an opening occurs we will possibly contact you" this bullshit is getting worse
No. 2163900
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I'm so fucking stoked, after 6 months of absolutely nothing I finally got a contract for 65k a year!!! It is so miserable paying off debt when your unemployment insurance doesn't give you much and basically 50% of it goes to your rent.
If you're in the animation industry my advice is work hard while you're in it, create a shit load of content for your portfolio while working, and make tons of friends. The only reason I have this position is by getting close to everyone I met
No. 2164862
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any accountant nonnies here? do you have to be really good at math to become an accountant? i am starting the career soon and i dont feel like i am intelligent enough to become an accountant but i want to try anyways since college is free here
No. 2164907
>>2164862Wishing you luck fellow future accountant
nonny. I've read you don't have to be great a math but we'll see lol. I'm mostly going into it since the job market looks pretty reliable.
No. 2164949
>>2164862Accounting Manager here - just don't go into public accounting or audit and you'll be good. The hours are hard and you won't make much for the first few years or so, but after that the pay gets better (hours don't really though)
I actually haven't taken a math class since I was 15, and I'm a CPA. it's all just basic addition and subtraction - it's way more important to learn how to use excel.
No. 2166598
My employer is going to pay for some pretty expensive training next month that will permanently put me in another wage bracket. Now, I'm not saying I'm going to quit, but. I'm kinda fed up with that place. It's not to the point where I'm actually looking for something else and try to arrange interviews or anything, but sometimes when I'm bored I look at job ads just to see what my options are and if, at some point, they decide to fire me, then so be it; I can't imagine being all too sad about it. I know legally I'm not obligated to stay after finishing training, if I wanted to I could quit at the very next chance and they couldn't do anything about it, but now I'm wondering, if I really do want to quit over the next few months, how soon would be too soon, manner wise? Especially in a field where everyone higher up kinda knows everybody else? No idea if it's relevant but I've been there for under five years. I'd be especially interested in input from euro anons, but feel free to comment even if you're from somewhere else.
No. 2168173
>>2163900CONGRATS NONA! Is getting into animation difficult for illustrators? I went to trade school for a completely different thing but hate it. I get by doing graphic design and illustrations but idk i want to put myself through school again if it’s more about networking.
Also complete side note do not trust Reddit. I saw another
nonnie bring it up in a different thread, but they’re so negative. I posted about a different situation and I got completely bad advice and some unnecessary snark, went through with it and it worked out without listening to them.