/ot/ - off-topic

Of course he's right. It's a genre of pornography.

this is what the designer said

>>170202
she is full of shit

>>170202
what a fucktard.
That's like saying the swastika isn't offensive because it began as a religious symbol in buddhism.

I'll prob hate myself for bringing this up but would he have gotten so offended if they were selling, idk, FnaF merchandise?

It's an interesting topic. Why are people up in arms about fiction that depicts loli/shota but pretty much are okay with brutal murder of children used as a plot device for entertainment?

Sexualization/molestation of children is awful but brutally murdering them is pretty bad, too.

>>170199
This should not be in /g/
>>170204
Swastika is not offensive and buddists still use that symbol

>>170202
Bullshit.
>>170205
Same reason adult media rarely depicts overt sexual violence but killing other adults is a-okay. It seems to stem from a culture of "I'd rather be dead than get raped". I'd agree, there's worse things than being dead.

>>170199
Even if loli and shota were representing pornography and not just some kind of reversion-to-childhood fantasy, it's still fictionalized pornography afaik. I've never seen those words refer to real kids at least, it always just refers to some anime/manga uguuuus. (western neckbearded dweebs ironically calling people "loli" don't count). I think Austin is kinda getting ahead of himself conflating moeblobs with real kids. I don't think it's immoral.

That said, this is still trashy as fuck and very, very obvious pandering, so I don't mind those girls getting shat on for it. They should've known the kind of reaction they might receive, unless they really are that naive in which case fuck them anyway. I mean, you wanna wear hypebeast clothing, at least wear one of those inoffensive vaporwave sweaters ffs!

>>170204
Imo the swastika depends on the context. If you're Jewish and someone spray paints a swastika on your house, possibly with other Nazi references, sure it's offensive, but if a Hindu, Buddhist or Jainist temple uses the swastika (turned the other way) on some banner, it's fine. It's the difference between a skinhead guy having a swastika tattooed along with the 14 words slogan versus some hippie long-haired dude with a bunch of tattoos of Hindi or other foreign writing and random religious symbols. All in the context

>>170207
I understand that sexual violence (and sex in general) occupies a special moral/ethical space in society - that's the reason.

But I don't think that everyone would say that being raped is "worse" (in whatever way) than just being murdered.

Sage bc tangent.

Reminds me of the controversy with omocat's sweaters. These words are often used with completely different meanings, I can understand why people understand them automatically as meaning porn and being uncomfortable.

>>170205
>>170207
I always thought depiction of murder is more accepted is because it's so obvious that murder and death are bad that nobody in their right mind would argue that these things aren't big deal irl.
Whereas for rape and sexualization of children/minors in general, well, there are a bunch of perverts in general all over the world who might think there's nothing really wrong with it irl or people who argue about that stuff, so people can get defensive pretty fast when it comes to that subject.

Plus depending on the circumstances of course, rape seems more "personal" than murder. Some people talked about it but I don't think I'm good at explaining these things.

>>170208
I've heard some nasty shit about suspicious magazines sold in Japan depicting minors in compromising positions, let's say. Not just idols but also little girls as young as 8 years old. I don't have sources though, I read that a long time ago, the article was about laws trying to prevent this iirc.

>>170208
Fictional loli/shota stuff is an impossible sell outside of Japan, though. I agree with your assessment, but it sounds like Austin is from the camp that is opposed to any kind of sexualization of "children" (animu or not) on principle.

>>170206
well.. walk down the street with a tshirt with a giant swastika on it and see how that goes for you.

I'd buy the shirt

that shota boy character is in the yaoi shirt design as well.. with dorito senpai

>>170210
Yeah that happens but they're referred to as "gravure" idols, not loli or shotas. Idk if as young as 8, but yeah you can get 16 yr old girls doing underwear modelling, even younger I think. Haven't seen boys doing that but it may exist, I just don't know. But either way loli or shota don't refer to real-kids-pornography which is my main point.

>>170211
Yeah I think most people don't agree with it on principle, so even though it's not inherently immoral, those WeebTrash girls should have known better…especially since I think the main reason anyone would wear those kinds of shirts is for attention (particularly from the opposite gender), exactly through that ambiguity of is-that-sexual-or-not?

>>170214
Aw come on. They got the Dorito chin but no yaoi hands? Missed opportunity

>>170210
I'd disagree that, universally, murder is seen as definitely immoral, while rape is seen as sometimes acceptable. But these things are impossible to truly quantify, anyway.

It seems like any sexual component to violence is gratuitous - as you say, it's very personal. Now that I think about it, it's identical to how torture is viewed. If you shoot a guy in the temple and leave him to die, that's one thing, but if you strap him to a board and systemically torture him over a prolonged period of time, that is cruel and unacceptable.

Re: very young girls being shot in sketchy positions for photoshoots, that is still a different beast than the drawn stuff.

Moved to >>>/b/82409.