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anyways fuck work.
not everyone has rich parents nonny
Go back to Reddit.
Or maybe actually say what’s wrong with work spaces and companies and workers’ rights being abused and not repeat here weird content that gives off “reee all sort of working is bad, I wanna do nothing and have money” vibes.
To my knowledge, antiwork somehow manages to still be more of a cringe movement than do anything actually good for workers.
Sorry not everyone is privileged as you. I live in a right to work state and was isolated most of my life so have the social skills of a retard, this led to me legally getting fired over and over for being too awkward and quiet. Selling weed is the only thing that allowed me to escape a cycle of being abused by my parents and then living with an abusive
boyfriend at the time
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I agree with some of the sentiments and specifically the grievances of antiwork but I think its overall a pointless ideology and fails to acknowledge that most human beings need something in their lives otherwise they start decaying and degenerating
how about making new thread based on Work Reform
I agree. If you can complete a task to good quality and acceptable standards quicker than other people then you shouldn't be made to wait around all day just to fill the 40h a week quota. It's so much wasted time. They've done countless tests and proven that reducing the work hour week to like 35 or 30 actually increases productivity and gets the same result with the bonus of people having more free time. But they want everyone to be wageslaves.
When I first started my current job (WFH bookkeeping for a relative) I felt immense guilt because I wasn't working 40h a week and felt like everyone assumed I was lazy because that hustle/grind mindset is instilled into you. I don't make big bucks off of it but it is far more enjoyable than having to clock in to a 12 hour shift for the 3rd day in a row and then getting absolutely shafted via taxes that aren't even going to anything useful in society.
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they hate to see a girlboss winning
>>1451014>most human beings need something in their lives otherwise they start decaying and degenerating
ever since my mom retired her quality of life has tanked. she just drinks and watches law and order all day, and doesnt socialize outside of the family because the only time she used to see other ppl was thru work. she's in her late 50s and perfectly able-bodied so there arent any reasons for her not to work besides being ~retired~
plenty of people need to work because theyre incapable of managing their time/lives otherwise
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Idk why the fuck all the girlbosses got so assmad about a thread like this KEK not everyone who is antiwork wants to be a NEET, people simply want better wages and to live out of their dream career without having to work forever at wallmart
Ideally you'd either have lower taxes so workers can
actually be well compensated, or have those taxes go towards meaningful things, not supporting people that simply hate to work but also won't accept they won't make a living as a soundcloud rapper. You're not stealing from the rich.
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your mom sounds wack, do you really want her to break her back even more after retiring? some people can't retire and wait years and years until they can so they can start living their lives. Tell your mom to stop drinking or something, it's not good for her. Also she could get a hobby and make money that way, just saying
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whats wrong with that? most real artists cant get jobs because its infested with nepotism, corporatism and because we have been replaced by automation and cheap artists from shitty third world countries. Tired of people thinking someone wanting to work as an artist=troon hippie who wants 50k a month for art of their crappy fat poc
trans steven universe ocs.
>>1451082>Tired of people thinking someone wanting to work as an artist=troon hippie who wants 50k a month for art of their crappy fat poc trans steven universe ocs.
This, there's so many other ways to make money with art, there's people who make a very good living with it too. I don't know why everyone here equate doing art with doing fan art commissions. Assuming this is so immature.
There's like at least 10 more things you can do as an artist to make a living than just drawing furry porn kek. Just think of how much of the entertainment business depend on artists and designers.
>>1451088>you can't live from art
Tell that to this people>inb4 i-it's just the lucky few people who can do that!
Yeah at this point you're having pure projection kek, sorry your dream got cut off.
You might find it humiliating but someone is going to have to do it nonny
. Having 90% of the population working as "artists" and following their dreams is simply not feasible.
You really sound like a silly boomer here. With dream careers people not only mean art, but also plenty of other people who aren't artists end up working at wallmart out of necessity. It's not like "90%" of people working at wallmart are failed artists to begin with.>>1451100
Yeah ok, a lot of people are like that. That doesn't mean that when you retire the only thing you'll do is drink and watch law and order. Sorry for your mom but if she really wanted to fix her life, she would enjoy her retirment and get a hobby or a side thing. It was her choice to drink to begin with.
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companies have been pushing crappy corporate styles to people by entitled ''artists'' who paid 100k to get connections and now everyone thinks we are like that too. There are a crap ton of artists who are incredibly good, though they mostly life either off patreon, sell out to draw porn or sell drawing courses. Its a shame that 40 years ago you could see art everywhere, movie posters, magazine covers, advertisements, etc.
The best job I've ever had, I actually created something of substance, did something important and it was minimum wage, so couldn't live off of it. It's like only the bullshit jobs, where you're demonstrably making society worse and being paid with the money of actual hardworking people, are paid living wages. If it were actually legally possible, I'd happily be a potato farmer. I'm not against labor and doing stuff with your day in and of itself, but I'm by this point against the concept of work. I wish that there was a closer connection to the labor we do and how it helps our survival. I think having such a big gap between the two, makes people depressed, because you don't get the natural dopamine hit you would've gotten from hunting and gathering or even farming, carpentry, pottery, actually doing something. Seeing the fruits of your labor. Instead we do work, but it leads to nowhere and then get addicted to random shit in our free time to fill the gaping hole. Having to wait til the end of the month to get paid and get replacement for the fruits of our labor, is too long away. Yes we have the capability to do longterm planning and being able to oversee the consequences. However evidently it's just too far away for monkeybrain, the connection between working a modern job and being paid is too far away for the dopamine to truly hit and feel fulfilled.>>1451029
I got shit for not having interesting hobbies outside of work, or at least not interesting to them. They asked me to talk about myself for once, I did, I showed the paintings I made. Apparently they were looking for "I go to the cafe with friends" answers.
>>1451123>confusing with someone else
Post I replied to:>>>Capitalism doesn't need 10% of its workforce to do art,
also the typical "take your meds" comment, lmao
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you know who works at those jobs? , either teens or exploited migrants that are doing it so their children can study and be an artist if they want. Anyways, shouldnt you be scrubbing toilets and doing something useful for society? >>1451133
kek, vamos argentina carajo!
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I can't believe how many people got so triggered with this fucking thread lmao. Never change.
I thought we would be making fun of cryptobross and aliexpress resellers for being "into the grind" not whatever the fuck is happening atm
the point is someone
will have to work those jobs regardless
I hate this argument that the ones who are actually profiting of this system love so much.
Of course people are going to feel aimless, they spent 50+ years almost every day of the week working, with barely any time and energy left to cultivate something else. It's like blaiming a malnutrished mouse you held captive for half of it's lifetime for not getting out when you open the cage door.
and that someone
could be you! or are you so entlitled that you won't fix the world by fixing clogged drains? like >>1451140
said, you know most people taking those jobs are exploited migrants right?
>>1451140>you know who works at those jobs? , either teens or exploited migrants that are doing it
Yes, if they want to integrate into the culture of the new country, they will have to work. That is logical, what is illogical is an argentine immigrating to Germany and being a CEO because he always dreamed of being one. >Anyways, shouldnt you be scrubbing toilets and doing something useful for society?
I do not need to. My dad worked hard and long enough to give me a comfortable life and i do not have to work. The only thing that will happen if you nonnies join this antiwork shit is leaving your family poor and vulnerable.
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Honestly? I am anti work not because I want to be a neet but because I cant fucking stand being around men. I want to work in programming, it's something I enjoy while doing art on the side. I grew up being told that since at the age of 11 I was meant to give birth before 18. I grew up being told I'd never be able to be the same as a man. Seeing female dominated fields and educated women looked down upon, especially by right winged men is what depressed me. I grew up with a father who didnt believe in me, as well as my mother. I skipped classes because I was getting bullied hard while my teachers did nothing. I grew up with my mother having no achievements except me and breaking down because of it. She wanted to be a kindergarten teacher and went to college and never completed it.
I'm anti work because women working , women succeeding in education, is only "equal to men", not better than. Look at all the copefics men have given about women succeeding, how they shame women for being "over educated". Fields like biology was talked down because half of it was women. When I speak about how it was a woman who helped invented data science, I get talked down to. I hate the idea of never being equal to men, even if I do better. Im 19, but I am already spiraling because of it. How do I get over it? I dont want my achievements to only be my children. I want to do so much more than that.
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I associate "rise and grind" with those weird guy that run three life coach and motivational businesses while having zero experience and marketing it online lol. I love the Day In My Life videos:>wake up>read motivation quotes from the greatest CEOs>shower with 170% efficiency (stinky)>drink orange juice with 200% effectiveness>make bed>leave for a caffé>fuck around on laptop for an hour>have online business meeting with potential marks>go to gym 3x1 hour for a day>go and pick up business boss afternoon cappuccino>eat metal for dinner>dream about money
Samefag, forgot to add: must
be in a business suit all day, or people won't understand you're a businessman and not some blogger
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>>1451149>The internet, road, postal service etc. etc. all operate with heavy subsidies and are infrastucture.
hahahaha where the fuck do you live? when i was a child i used to live next to a dirt road and my mom would have to carry be for 5 streets so i didnt get my uniform dirty. Here are some things the beautiful ex president of my country did for me and for which i should be thankful for>sold half of the country to the chinese>bought crappy second hand trains from china and caused an accident in which 11 people died>devalued the peso>invented a trillion new taxes>stole a crap ton of my moms/dads/aunts/uncles tax money>used it to finance a public football TV network and other populist shit
omg nonna you are so right, i am so, so sorry that i never realized how good and wonderful my country and the state is(can i get a job in the state now? i want to get paid 5k usd for sitting on my ass all day too)
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They weren't weird paintings either, just Bob Ross tier. Great against stress. Should've been a point in my favour imo.
>>1451165> I dont want my achievements to only be my children. I want to do so much more than that.
So work hard enough to leave some legacy for mankind. Staying at home and doing nothing won't help.>>1451167>Jeez next time just say you want everyone to be a prostitute or something.
Are you really comparing working at Walmart with being a sex worker? Someone is going to have to work at walmart anon. Whether they dream of working at walmart or not.>>1451176
kek the anon from argentina himself confirmed this.
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Imagine defending giving away 1/2 of your income every month. Of course it's easier to lash out on all the "jobless lazy people you pay with your hard earned money" and infight endlessly itt rather than focus on the actual systematic issue. We really are culturally brainwashed.
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>>1451185>Of course it's easier to lash out on all the "jobless lazy people you pay with your hard earned money" and infight endlessly itt rather than focus on the actual systematic issue. We really are culturally brainwashed.
This. It's because people are retarded. Will copy paste this here too
>that's just because no one is reading the fucking OP and immediately jumping into the conclusion that antiwork = neet
>In Brief: (1) The anti-work movement advocates for a work structure shift away from paid labor and toward voluntary and fulfilling work. (2) While the anti-work movement is not new, labor shifts from the pandemic have made it grow in popularity. (3) Many members of this movement joined in response to a negative workplace experience, so businesses should respond by evaluating their labor practices.
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Yes, that's what I want. I am just so scared of proving people right about me being too stupid. I just recently quit my job because my woman boss ragged on me because she has a daughter my age. There was a male coworker (he was the only one in this job) and he was late everyday, and she let him go. I was late once, and she yelled at me and told me to come even though I called her and told her I was fighting with my mom. I'm the tallest and youngest, so she relies on me for the heavy labor. It just depresses me that even when I do good, even when I work hard, because I am a woman, especially a young one, I am not taken seriously. I cant even look men in the eye because I just hate knowing that they are thinking I got this job due to diversity instead of my skills. I dont want to not work. I have never been believed in my entire life, and working has helped me believe in myself a little bit. I love seeing my strings of codes done right, and I like helping people. I am just afraid that the only thing I can do is have children, when I always wanted to do more.
For real. >>1451182
I'm not complaining. If someone wants to die poor, that's their problem. But this idea of working only on what you dream of is stupid.>most of us wont be able to buy our own house or maintain our bootlicker daughters
By being a neet wanna be "artist" probably not.>>1451192
Working hard doesn't mean working for someone else. You can start your own company or something like that. You just want an excuse to keep being a parasite.
I didn't say wallmart in my post though>kek the anon from argentina himself confirmed this.
People from latin america not only immigrate to scrub toilets. There's more to life than that. And I've heard of succesful cases of latin americans having great jobs in europe too. Jobs in industries as managment force.
>>1451201>By being a neet wanna be "artist" probably not.
Did a neet artist fuck your alcoholic mother or what?>You can start your own company or something like that.
You know a lot of artists eventually start their own companies too right? Selling art.
You can "work" and be paid with other people's hard earned tax- or pension money, for basically doing nothing, having to stretch out maybe 8 hours of real work to 40 hours, then having to pretend to work the rest of the time (which is unironically somehow more difficult than actually working, this is where the endless meetings which go nowhere come from) and still be seen as more valuable than some NEET. Of course the ones with connections and the right background don't even have to pretend to work, you only see them at the office maybe 3 hours a month and they still get paid 10 times as much as you. You don't even get the chance to work yourself up, because the new policy is to treat workers like disposable batteries.
I'd rather do actual meaningful work and produce something of value, but that doesn't receive enough payment or is becoming literally illegal. I hate the service economy I hate the service economy I hate the service economy.
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I should mention, he brought a flask to work everyday when we were surrounded by kids and whatnot. I came up with a system, I did event plannings and even made graduation diplomas on my own. Her daughter worked with us and my boss let her get away with a lot. I took a course for programming on the side and even made my own website. I wanted to retake math from highschool and asked my mom and she gave me a chuckle and thought that it was too late. I worked since 16, had male customers who made comments, but I also met a lot of customers who I adored. I loved the kids, I loved helping them and I loved helping elderly men and women at my jobs. I loved the idea of creating things as well, which was why I liked programming so much. I could not do much, but when I made customers happy, it made me believe in myself more. But I am terrified still. I apologize for rambling on so much, I am just a wreck about this.
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Just ignore the fucking bait nonnies. This person clearly just wants to infight and is portraying everyone who disagrees with her as a neet artist kek. Sad day to be a CEO bootlicker, clearly she saw the word "antiwork" and got so triggered that she had to shit on the entire thread without reading the OP.
>>1451202>And I've heard of succesful cases of latin americans having great jobs in europe too
Yeah because they worked hard in their country and went to university or something like that before they got the job. If a Latino enters Europe without ever having worked in anything wanting to be a CEO, it simply will not happen.>>1451203>You know a lot of artists eventually start their own companies too right? Selling art.
The minority. That's why I say that not everyone can work with what they like, someone will have to be a dishwasher.>>1451207
This entire post is just self-sabotage. If you think that no one can be successful at their job nowadays, I don't know what to tell you.>>1451211>you can just wake up, decide to start your business
But you can.>>1451214
To think that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is a bait is stupid.
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>>1451227>This entire post is just self-sabotage. If you think that no one can be successful at their job nowadays, I don't know what to tell you.
we are literally more poor than years ago, but of course an entitled brat who lives off daddy's money wouldnt understand that.
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A world where everyone will support themselves doing their dream job is not a reality, or by that point technology will be so advanced, it'll wipe our asses for us. So can we just make fun of "corporate evangelist" employees, bad bosses and discuss how even non-"dreamlike" jobs can fit into the life of a human instead?
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and if you live in the wrong area, you can't even safely grow stuff in your own garden anymore if you have the privilege of having one in the first place. Thanks to DuPont. Which isn't a problem in just the US btw. I just want to faaarm
Not my posts.>>1451242
You know I'm right and you're coping by trying to offend me.
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They have been charged with the crime of farting too much. I agree that it's bad for the climate and all that, but they've killed off all the small business farms over the past few decades, leaving only the large factory farms left, which are causing more problems than the small ones ever have done in the first place.>>1451258
I'm not a burger, but it depends on the area. Places around factories of as an example DuPont are warned that you shouldn't eat vegetables from your garden, because the pollution is off the charts.
Because of the large population of neets and wannabe artists here. If any nonny
here commented this antiwork shit on any serious company, the people at that company would laugh in her face. This is the kind of topic that only happens online.
>>1451263>but they've killed off all the small business farms over the past few decades, leaving only the large factory farms left, which are causing more problems than the small ones ever have done in the first place.
Holy shit… is this what veganism caused or whatever?>Places around factories of as an example DuPont are warned that you shouldn't eat vegetables from your garden, because the pollution is off the charts.
That honestly makes sense, now I wonder how safe the place I live in is
>>1451266>Because of the large population of neets and wannabe artists here.
You keep saying this as if everyone ITT is a neet artist, seriously what is even your problem? You're beating a dead horse.>If any nonny here commented this antiwork shit on any serious company, the people at that company would laugh in her face.
Isn't it good that they don't work then? kek
Aren't you supposed to be at work? it's the middle of the day in Germany, or are you telling me you're wasting the company's precious time on lolcow?>If any nonny here commented this antiwork shit on any serious company, the people at that company would laugh in her face.
Things need to be discussed, the unfair workplace needs to be discussed, unions need to be discussed, bad managment needs to be discussed. You're the only one bringing NEET artists over and over, it's either a projection or you're very triggered
. Literally go read the OP again or go bitch in the NEET containment thread
Has nothing to do with veganism, but with EU subsidies and regulations, which have encouraged/forced small farmers to sell out to big farmers. So you get these massive monopolies which are concentrated in one area, causing problems. Instead of having the animals more spread out and not all in large quantities on one spot, being disease vectors and poop machines. It has also actually increased animal cruelty. It's bad for the environment, public health, animal welfare, everything. The situation isn't as bad in countries like Austria iirc, because the small farmers have been able to pivot and weren't forced as much to sell out to the big companies. Geography has a lot to do with it, culture, but in the end I do think small farmers have suffered EU-wide. It's basically the fault of capitalism and neoliberalism. Back in my grandma's day, almost everyone had some backyard chickens or geese, a fruit tree here and there. Which has a very different impact from keeping millions of chickens in one spot stinking up the place and causing disease outbreaks.
Haha fuck you nonnie
I'm in Germany too and you scared me for a second, I thought it was Monday.
kek this. Imagine centering your entire livehood on what John McBillionare thinks is useful.>>1451277
Hotels also work on sunday and she said she's a receptionist or whatever the fuck.
don't pop a vein here>>1451287
say that to her, she's the one with the rich german CEO daddy
I didn't meant it as a insult or a comeback. If you guys can't have a normal discussion without saying insults like that >>1451287
just because i exposed a small part of my life then that explains why you don't work or work in crappy jobs.
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You can work a "good job" and still be anti-work and want more in life. It's just that it makes you depressed. Which is why most people working "good jobs" which still don't fulfill them because it's not compatible with monkey brain, will cope and constantly look down on others, because they have no other choice. They tell themselves that it's okay, because at least they can use the money to consoom and fuel their addictions, their soma, staving off the depression for a little longer. Working bullshit jobs which are seen by society as "good jobs", is soul destroying and you constantly have to cope to get by. Being fully aware that you're not doing anything good for society and that you're just as much of a leech, is not sustainable. Which is why there's such a large burnout epidemic and all these corporate resiliency trainings you have to follow.
Even jobs which technically aren't bullshit jobs, turnout to be bullshit jobs, because you're just fucking powerless and can't actually provide anyone with a sense of justice, since the whole system is rigged and patriarchy is definitely fucking systemic. Too many pedo scrotes in high places.
I just want to earn enough money to fuck off to another country and farm god damnit. I want it to be legal to pick berries and not that something as retarded in this neoliberal hellscape exists where you have to pay 50 just to be able to pick berries in a pre-approved section of forest with the rest of the wageslaves who are on the brink of burning out, having your hand held.
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Doesn't even pay as much as people think it does and makes it difficult to move countries, since you can't immediately work the same job there. I'm a retard.
I can't tell if you guys are arguing with me, I just wanted to point out the image is incorrect kek.
Anyways I have about 5 hours free/prep time an evening once you take out morning prep and commute and I balance it by having 2 cooking dinner evenings on Monday and Wednesday, and do 30 minutes of cleaning which is enough for upkeep. I do a deep clean one weekend day every 2 months or so. Then the day after the cooking day I just chill, reheat the leftovers and work on a hobby or watch a movie or something. Then on the remaining day I try see a friend. It's a nice balance for now between house maintenance, cooking, working on myself and socialising all within the workweek without getting burned out on any one facet. It's also good to plan ahead so you can visit the grocery store etc on the way home from work so as not to waste time.
I was more exhausted doing nothing after work and sort of went into a negative spiral because my time was really wasted after work and I only considered the 2 days I had completely free as the days to do something, so found the majority of my spent time worthless. I'm not agreeing with the amount of time we generally have to work but at the end of the day if you do nothing and complain the only one who really suffers is you.
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Okay, let's be fair. Give some good reasons that one should NOT live on neetbux. The "Be good to society and contribute" argument fails if you live in the sort of society that fucks us all over, exploits women and rewards the most evil scrotes repeatedly.
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When I first started I used to click randomly on work pages to look like i'm busy (office admin) and in the past 2 months I have quite literally not given a fuck. Whenever I'm done with my work (usually about 2 or 3 hours into the work day) I straight up watch documentaries on my phone or go on reddit on my work computer. I don't care if they flag me. I ask quite literally everyone if they need help with anything I am constantly told no so it's not like I'm ignoring anyone. And when someone does need help I am eager for something to do. I agree though, 40 hours is fucking dumb.
My position is hybrid, so whenever I know I'll be working from home I purposely finish everything needed for that day ahead of time because it's easier on the three monitors at work and then I straight up just play video games or read the whole day while wiggling my mouse and occasionally answer to emails and teams messages. I have 0 issues with exploiting the system.
>>1451428>society that fucks us all over, exploits women
So get out of your room and contribute to changing society.> b-but society will not change!
Decades ago women couldn't even vote. Contributing to society is also preventing the exploitation of women.
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How difficult is it to make a living playing poker?
Yes girl. Neets can do online activist. Irl people are gonna see you and furries as the same thing. Im talking about irl activist.>>1451455
If the women of the past thought that activism was not worth doing because it will never work, we nonnies today would not even be able to use imageboards and would be worried about having 5 children.>>1451461>You can do more for women in activism outside of work, outside of the system, than in jobs where you're supposedly trying to help women, while playing along with the system which is rigged against them.
You don't necessarily need to work at mc donalds did you know? Y ' all act like no one works in NGOs or feminist organizations. One thing that won't help women is being a neet and doing nothing all day but complaining on the internet.
At this point I would fistfight the chinese trash dropshippers and thrift store resellers if I met them irl. Every fucking website is littered with their trash, in every country, even the second hand ones. Just look at the absolute state of amazon where you type in one term and get the same product 50 times with different shop names.>>1451506
Kinda, but like the nonna above said, they're mostly aimed at teens.
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I used to live on NEETbux in my old country. It gave benefits but it would fuck with my inheritance which would be worth millions when the worst day in my life happens. I’d rather get a job because it’s better to have my own independence than spend days at home depressed.