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This thread is going to be a shitshow.
Are you just going around creating strawpolls in every shitty thread you can find or what? It's always got the same sort of trying a bit too hard humor in it, and I don't get it.
You can't profit from strawpolls can you?
>>106938>just going around creating strawpolls>trying a bit too hard humor
Ya' got me.>You can't profit from strawpolls can you?
I don't know if you can, but I know the only profit I'm getting is good feelings when I see people voting in them.
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Finally, something both robots and farmers can mutually hate together.
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There's plenty more where that came from.
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>be me, 14 y/o tumblrina
>early days of tumblr femininzm
>guy friend asks me if i want to write superhero comic with him
>create an aggressively feminist character
>male friend tells me it would drive the fanboys away
>lecture him for half an hour on muh misogyny until he lets me make a character to fight the patriarchy
>be 4 years later
>realised my past mistakes, matured a bit, left tumblr behind
>male friend is now aggressive feminist ally
>messages me daily on facebook about something that relates to feminism
>"thank u for saving my misogynistic ass anon-chan"
>second-hand embarrassed about my younger self and all of tumblrina sjw shit
>haven't seen this guy irl for 2 years but he still talks to me about his feminist agenda regularly
>mfw i created a monster
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Does this count?
Do we really need another thread to attract robots? Let alone one that'll drag that shitty "nu male" meme over here with it?
We've already got like three threads that have just been full of robots up at the moment.
Feminism: "I need feminism because this offends me and it should offend you, too."
Anti-feminism: "I don't need feminism because I don't think this is offensive and you shouldn't, either."
I'd usually lean more toward anti-feminism but both just come off as preachy to me.
I'm the OP and I wanted to make a thread about ridiculous male feminist "allies" who are actually sexist as fuck underneath their ideology, similar to white tumblr SJWs having the need to speak for all the minorities they're not even part of. It's shitty that robots need to latch onto this subject.
Something along the lines of>I'm a male feminist and thus I get to erase female opinions not fitting my narrative and possibly endangering my status as a great, unique, progressive male!
I'm pretty sure a lot of us here know men like this. Like >>106944
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How bout these bitches
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What's funny is he always gets attacked by feminists for not doing things the way they think he should lol
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that is so gross, and to think buffy is the greatest show in the universe ever made
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>>106960>Male masquerading as feminist for an agenda
I definitely had one of these in my life, I'll try to keep it short but tw
I guess>Be stupidly guilt tripped into staying with gentle sappy puppydog boy >"I'm a feminist", but guilt trips me into covering up, into promising I'll never move etc>Surprise! he's actually a rapist because he "can't control his feelings of love uwu">Get a clue and leave that shit behind>Find out he's a sXe vegan sjw now that writes tumblr rants about white cis guys even though he is one>He also has a sjw band that sings about queer rights and stuff, gets asspats for being such a great ally>Hear rumours he's done stuff to other girls but I'll never know for certain
His whole music scene is male dominated and really macho, they scream about beating up fascists. The hypocrisy is real. I try not to lose sleep thinking about it but the way he gets to roll in sjw praise without disclosing his past is disgusting.
There are so many well adjusted guys that don't try to use respecting fellow humans for brownie points, but if I see "I'm a feminist!!!" on a profile or said in the first ten minutes of meeting a guy I just think of Parker from Buffy and assume it's a ploy to get laid faster. Which is a really depressing way to react to something that should be good.
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finally a thread for these dickwads. I hate what feminism is these days, and there's nothing worse than dudes using it for their own brownie points. I think the biggest offender for this shit is Matthew McGorry, who's entire shtick as a ~~le male feminist for my ladies gurrrrl power :-D~~ is insufferable.
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slight image dump incoming.
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I want sharia law tbh fam 100(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Reposting from the bad art thread:http://thewebcomicsreview.tumblr.com/post/147419524450/hes-a-shot-of-dresden-codakwhere-a-robot-notices
Aaron Diaz draws a webcomic called Dresden Kodak in which his marysue is constantly drawn in suggestive poses and getting her clothes ripped off, or just hanging around in her underwear. At the same time he bitches at other creators being sexist for doing the exact same thing he does.
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As an additional bonus, thank god we have all these straight white males speaking for women! By god we sure need all that male ally power!
Pretty decent thread. I think the same could be said about Female MRAs. Alot of dudes like that act all ballsy, but then hide behind the skirt of their Honey Badgers and other like-minded cunts.
If Tumblr feminists got daddy issues, MRAs got mommy ones. Identity politics as a whole is a fucking cancer.
I think sex positive guys tend to be creepy. I really hate the whole "sex positivism" movement in general. >>106975
Let me guess, he's going to be a tranny?
What a fucking joke of a human.
Why do so many people like to think of themselves as 'intelligent gentlemen/people' whilst doing dumb things?>>107054
I wish these guys had to listen to the mommy issue slur as often as 'quirky' girls get the daddy issues one. It's never even occurred to me that it's so imbalanced.
It's not like those awful r9k infographics on 'warning signs' on hair colours, music tastes etc exist for guys either.
>>107196>It's not like those awful r9k infographics on 'warning signs' on hair colours, music tastes etc exist for guys either
It probably has to do with the fact that there are way less women in these areas of the Internet, and even the few that are here are usually much more successful with relationships than the average guy>>107423
Sex positivity is mainly about making sure that women who are enormous sluts don't have to feel bad about it, how is that a plus for men? There are some insecure people that want to feel better about taking a strap-on up their ass, but I don't see much benefit or appeal for most men in sex positive feminism.
>>107428>don't see much benefit or appeal for most men in sex positive feminism
it encourages women who would otherwise not be enormous sluts because of social stigma to let their inner slut out. more women, and more different types of women (not just wild clubhoes), being promiscuous out in society mean that men who might not have otherwise had many chances to get laid, can get laid (theoretically). now beta males can become the male feminist and maybe have the chance that their rainbowhair quirkygirl will have sex with him because he's understanding and she's sex positive.
and regardless, sex positivity doesn't mean the guy has to get fucked with a strap on. pegging is largely a male fetish anyway.
>>107448>men who might not have otherwise had many chances to get laid, can get laid (theoretically)
While I'm sure that there is some change in this area, I don't think it's anything significant. Pre-third wave feminism, the western world wasn't exactly all that conservative to begin with, and all women generally gravitating to the top 20-30% of men isn't just a meme. With that, the people that see the biggest effect of more people becoming slutty would already be the ones that were getting laid, and those are not the same men that become male feminists>now beta males can become the male feminist and maybe have the chance that their rainbowhair quirkygirl will have sex with him because he's understanding and she's sex positive.
I really don't think that that actually happens. The male fantasy, yes, but I don't think it translates to reality.
>sex positivity doesn't mean the guy has to get fucked with a strap on
My point was simply that some guys have fetishes they're ashamed of and hope that feminism will clear the stigma, I don't know if this is any larger group of people, I've just encountered some examples.
I'm saying that there doesn't need to be any real evidence that this is actually the result and benefit to becoming a male feminist. Guys who would already get laid regardless set the example for less able men to find different ways and 'gimmicks' to employ in an effort to get laid.
There are men who call themselves feminists, and there are male feminists. Potential nu males see men who call themselves feminists and see an increase in female attraction to that man. They correlate that because he is a feminist that led to getting laid more (disregarding any of the other factors that makes this man attractive to women). Plus, labeling yourself as a feminist and writing a few social media posts is probably one of the easiest of these 'gimmicks' for these softer, less (hyper)masculine kinds of men. No faux aggression a la PUA courtship, you don't even need a fancy car. If she's sex positive, you (potentially) don't have to jump through hoops to fuck her, and don't have to feel like the kind of guy who "pressures" girls into sex or whatever. Male feminists don't seem to stray too far from average intelligence, so I can see how they could believe in what is more or less just a theoretical possibility.
>I really don't think that that actually happens. The male fantasy, yes, but I don't think it translates to reality.
Probably not, but that's what they seem to hope for.
>My point was simply that some guys have fetishes they're ashamed of and hope that feminism will clear the stigma
Ah, okay. But I'd say that doesn't stop at fetishes. Men who don't fit the social standard of manliness could find refuge under feminism. Empowering the woman to take focus off of the man, and hide their own lackings and inadequacies at having failed at being the social standard of manhood.
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They downright ate him alive for the "sins" he committed in Age of Ultron. I'm not sure if he ever recovered from that.
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Nigga can't take a fucking joke(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No, I think it's about the stereotype that when women get pissed off about something, they'll tend to reply with "it's nothing" or pretend there's no issue until it reaches a head, not that they're unprofessional or can't work in a dangerous job.
You're reading into that way, way too much.
Still perpetuating that shit. Do we really need to still be spreading this when it's still hard to be accepted as a woman in science.
Yes, it's a little thing. But all these jokes and stereotypes as a whole hurt the chances of women in science.
You can cover your eyes and dismiss it as stupid and meaningless and yet, it's there.
I really don't think a dumb joke about a woman astronaut will stop women going into science anymore than a joke about a priest in a bar will stop someoen becoming a priest.
Though I'm curious, can women even become astronauts? I know the criteria are insanely strict even for men (like, can't be above I think 6'4 and below a certain height), are women allowed to?
It certainly won't stop but it makes things a lot harder. Although I find it funny that when a woman isn't emotional as expected, she's usually called a frigid bitch.
Not that it's just men that perpetuate the stereotype of a woman being a hysterical overly emotional bundle of hormones, I know a few women that like to play that card to justify their mistakes and whatnot.
In my case (probably other women experienced it too) there were a few times when a male subordinate did a sloppy job or something plain wrong despite explaining to him the exact procedure for 3-4 times, and after confronting the said employee I could hear behing my back others saying "must be one of those days" or even worse "she's porbably not getting any". Both of which I find utterly disgusting. No, I'm not emotional I just want you to do your work right, fucking idiot.
If it were a male boss they would be all sir, yes sir.
Omg I hate "sex positive" guys so freakin much.
They never actually mean "whatever you choose to do or not is cool". No, they mean that sex is the best ever and you should totally have it with THEM! Because they're suuuch generous lovers you see, all they care about is YOUR orgasm! Which they are 1000% sure to provide because that dick is magical. It's literally
charity on their part. So why won't you just cave in already and fuck them you frigid stuck-up bitch GAWD!
Same goes for "body positive" guys, it's not about celebrating marginalized looks, they just like to ogle dem fat tiddies. Telling a stranger you find them fuckable is creepy and inappropriate regardless if they're thin or fat. No1curr about your personal preferences.
I used to know a guy who would regularly browse through pages like "love your curves" or "fat acceptance" - so clearly aimed at overweight women - yet he would only like and comment on lingerie photos, and not the landwhale kind either.
Well, I can agree with that part of what you're saying, I just don't think that joke is anything but just a joke, there's no reason to take it so seriously.
And I think the "must not be getting any" thing happens to both genders when someone wants to make the person going off at them look bad.
This guy thinks he's worthless because he made some mistakes in his relationship. That's really sad. If this was the other way around and that was a woman wearing the signboard and asking to be abused people would be horrified. They might even think a man was forcing her to do it.>>107029
I abhor art policing. Yes you can make your own characters. And there's nothing anti-intellectual about it. In fact, none of the changes you want are gonna happen unless you actively participate in making them happen. If you can't create then you can look for projects to support. I'd rather see new projects than see established franchises have to change because someone who might buy a couple of comic books or games every once in awhile doesn't want to see too much scantily clad cleavage.
As a woman I don't need men feeling offended for me because sexy characters exist. I hate this self righteous "let me feel offended for you" culture. Treating people of another race, religion or sex as toddlers who can't be exposed to meanie head things and bad words isn't empowering. It's offensive.
>As a woman I don't need men feeling offended for me because sexy characters exist.
I get this ALL the time in the DnD / RP community. All these men like 'it's awful how they draw boob plate on the women in the codex books and that sexy mage trope is so overused!' and I'm like '…What if I LIKE those things?'
Like, god forbid, I WANT a sexy character once and awhile? I like old women, sexy women, chubby cute women. Who the fuck cares? It's literally fantasy. You are outraged on my behalf about DRAWINGS and FANTASY.
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Holy hell I agree with all of this. Being really plain I love beautiful, glamorous female characters, especially playing them, I can't stand people acting like they speak on our behalf saying 'no, no, trust me, ALL women hate this as well, it's time for it to go.' If they love women so much, why do they want to strip strong female character of their femininity? What's wrong with a female fictional character being beautiful, feminine, sexy, and strong?
sure this is a little cringy, but I get the jist of what he is saying. I agree with him, although I also subscribe to the idea that you don't have to identify as a feminist for example to be for equal rights or whatever >>110654
TBH I love sexy characters too, I do however think it's annoying when ALL the women are super 10/10 sexy hottie sluts when the men get to have some that are hot, some are ugly, some are average etc. I would like maybe more diversity in the female characters but still keeping some sexy/slutty/sexual ones too.
No because women don't have testicles>inb4 "but muh transwomen"
women = adult human female (of the sex that produces immobile gametes) and transwomen are male and therefore not women
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feminism -the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
if it was equality of sexes them men should clearly be able to be them
it's not very equal to think this way~
I'm not even shit posting but you clearly are
pic related is why this era of feminism is shit
it just triggers
If somebody is an actual leftist cuck stereotype, then I think there's probably some solid insecurity mixed in there too. Insecurity causes fear of losing a girl to somebody 'better', resulting in controlling behavior.
Maybe I'm full of shit tough.
That's not surprising, most "male feminists" are just using their beliefs to cover up the fact that they're creeps.
It's the same thing as the crazy bitches who are like "im a cool girl xd i love beer and video games! other girls are too much drama"
Just because you are happy living gender roles it doesn't mean there is no injustice in this world.I hate it when people try to measure everyone with their ruler. Fuck off, it's not about you only.
As much as I hate male feminists this thread reeks with misinformation and ignorance.
You didn't actually read the post did you?>Not everyone is, and they should have the freedom to defy those gender roles without social consequences of any kind
Go back to posting everydayfeminism articles on your facebook and jacking off to your female friends' profile pics
Male Anon here!
Okay let me give a history of my identification as a feminist.
Did sociology in school in 2004. Learned about feminism. Thought it was just another social movement from the 70's.
2006 or so I found an online forum where people posted redpillesque shit before theredpill. Read the arguments. Thought about it. Took the middle ground a lot. Eventually realised that I was being a fuckstick - the people arguing for feminism had better arguments, the people arguing against were arguing that men are innately more loyal, intelligent etc.
Joined the white knight squad and spent a long time tl;dr'ing about social constructs and prime socialisation etc. Got accused of only holding these views to get laid of course. Posting pseudonymously to a 95% male forum, accusation did not make sense.
Gradually this SJW bullshit came about. When people started talking about this stuff IRL I was already on team feminist and sperging about it. Then it started going mainstream and I was confused to be holding a popular opinion for once in my life. Decided the fact that the word 'feminist' triggered people so hard meant it was important that I keep using it. Held onto that shit long past its sell by date.
I felt/feel more strongly about pervasive gender inequality than I have about any other political issue. Possibly because every girl I've met has in some way been fucked up by it.
Then the whole tranny thing started. After you couldn't just be a feminist anymore, you had be an intersectional feminist (I think the intersectional thing is bullshit, feminism to me is the subset of humanism which deals with gender issues and intersectionality is anti-humanist) and had to support the trannies, I was no longer sure.
It's laughable, the equality loving left has decided that men should have the option to be regarded as women, and when they do so are higher in the oppression heirarchy and deserve sympathy and right of first speech. When to me, the entire fucking message was that long hair and lipstick don't make you a woman, and being able to change a tyre doesn't make you a man.
The whole TERF war thing happened, and the feminists I agreed with were the sex-critical radfems, the libfems seeming like confused hypocrites.
Thing is, the radfems don't want me. That's the whole idea - they're doing women shit for, by and about women. That's where feminism is still relevant - women learning they don't have to be what men want them to be. That's not going to happen if they let men be involved. See also: libfems.
Hypocritical of me of to be all 'Yeah women deserve their own spaces. By the way women in a women's space, I'm a man and here are my thoughts'? No. I don't post in /g/
For the record, I do hate men. Even more than I hate women, which as a reverse wizard is a lot. I hate myself most of all though. I think Valerie Solanas wrote some shit that makes sense, her book was full of nonsense but some of her evaluations of the male psyche are spot on.
I don't think I'd call myself a feminist anymore. I think 'using your male privilege to be heard when speaking out about women's issues' is weird doublethink.
I support your rights to equality. I think women can be men's equals. But I also think at this point it's their responsibility. Maybe you're an airheaded bimbo because that's what you were taught to be since before you could walk, but the only one who can sit down and work through a maths textbook is you. If I could get bigger stronger people to do shit for me because interacting with me reduced the cognitive dissonance they experience when they try to imagine fucking me, I probably wouldn't have learned to things for myself either. (Not saying all or even most women are like this, but there a lot).
The SJW shit has to die. The libfem shit has to die. Y'all gotta do it for yourselves. Good luck.
Thank you for sharing?
Sorry. I'm a total weirdo which is why I posted. Look I even name dropped Valerie Solanas check her out:
"Pussy. Despising his highly inadequate self, overcome with intense anxiety and a deep, profound loneliness when by his empty self, desperate to attach himself to any female in dim hopes of completing himself, in the mystical belief that by touching gold he'll turn to gold, the male craves the continuous companionship of women. The company of the lowest female is preferable to his own or that of other men, who serve only to remind him of his repulsiveness. But females, unless very young or very sick, must be coerced or bribed into male company. "
" Although the male, being ashamed of what he is and almost of everything he does, insists on privacy and secrecy in all aspects of his life, he has no real regard for privacy. Being empty, not being a complete, separate being, having no self to groove on and needing to be constantly in female company, he sees nothing at all wrong in intruding himself on any woman's thoughts, even a total stranger's, anywhere at any time, but rather feels indignant and insulted when put down for doing so, as well as confused – he can't, for the life of him, understand why anyone would prefer so much as one minute of solitude to the company of any creep around. Wanting to become a woman, he strives to be constantly around females, which is the closest he can get to becoming one, so he created a `society' based upon the family – a male-female could and their kids (the excuse for the family's existence), who live virtually on top of one another, unscrupuluously violating the females' rights, privacy and sanity. "http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/shivers/rants/scum.html
She's hyperbolic in her use of language and I don't know how right she is about women but she gets many things right about men.
"I felt/feel more strongly about pervasive gender inequality than I have about any other political issue. Possibly because every girl I've met has in some way been fucked up by it."
Can you elaborate? Because I feel more fucked over now that I have to work a shit job that pays $9 an hour or go to uni and spend a ton of money to get a degree in order to make money to support a family. I'm one of those girls who really wishes that I could be a stay at home mother and be there during my future children's most important years. That's never going to happen now unless I marry a rich guy, which is unlikely going to happen lol. Also I have never felt marginalized in my life, and it's always insulting when people (men especially) tell me otherwise, and make it out as if all women are victims. I'm a woman, mixed on top of that, who came from a lower middle class family, and have never felt oppressed in my life.
"Maybe you're an airheaded bimbo because that's what you were taught to be since before you could walk"
Yeah and maybe you're a cuck. :)
Oh in legal and economic terms gender equality is here and that's good (the only thing that's changed there is you now have the option to work a shitty job instead of living with your grandparents and siblings while waiting to marry a rich man).
But I'm talking about social inequality. You have to paint your faces, avoid being fat, display proper decorum and engage in all sorts of doublethink about sex. You're also often given lighter punishments as children for wrongdoing, and people often write off your failures for simply being female. Women are often vain, shallow and easily hurt as a result. I feel like those things are connected though, and women aren't born that way, they learn it.
Obviously wearing makeup and being wannarexic and pretend stupid isn't the same thing as being a woman, which is why I jumped off the feminism train when that got on board.
I do think there are significant behavioral differences between men and women owing to our respective anatomies I just think it's foolish to ascribe most of the observable differences to that when men and women exist in society on such different terms.
So taking care of your appearance is something both men and women have to do, but the burden put on women is so much greater that it's not a trivial difference. I think this is where eating disorders come from (no shit sherlock).
When I started identifying as a feminist this concept of 'benevolent sexism' was more of a buzzword. Which is pretty much the same thing as what a lot of people think of when they hear feminist these days.
Before Mary Wollstonecraft wrote A Vindication of the Rights of Women, she anonymously published a less famous piece called A Vindication of the Rights of Men. Some of that work concerned gender;
"You may have convinced women that littleness and weakness are the very essence of beauty; and that the Supreme Being, in giving women beauty in the most supereminent degree, seemed to command them, by the powerful voice of Nature, not to cultivate the moral virtues that might chance to excite respect, and interfere with the pleasing sensations they were created to inspire. Thus confining truth, fortitude, and humanity, within the rigid pale of manly morals, they might justly argue, that to be loved, woman's high end and great distinction! they should 'learn to lisp, to totter in their walk, and nick-name God's creatures.' Never, they might repeat after you, was any man, much less a woman, rendered amiable by the force of those exalted qualities, fortitude, justice, wisdom, and truth; and thus forewarned of the sacrifice they must make to those austere, unnatural virtues, they would be authorised to turn all their attention to their persons, systematically neglecting morals to secure beauty."
She wrote that in 1790 and it still seems relevant. Those attitudes are not what they were but they're still part of our society even if women can own property and vote now. She got one bad review, but after it was discovered that she was a woman there was an apology
"It has been observed in an old play, that minds have no sex; and in truth we did not discover this Defender of the Rights of Man to be a Woman. The second edition, however, which often reveals secrets, has attributed this pamphlet to Mrs. Wollstonecraft, and if she assumes the disguise of a man, she must not be surprised that she is not treated with the civility and respect that she would have received in her own person. As the article was written before we saw the second edition, we have presented an acknowledgement of this kind to the necessary alterations. It would not have been sufficient to have corrected merely verbal errors: a Lady should have been addressed with more respect."
Gosh I haven't sperg'd about feminism like this in a while.
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Oh man, those guys.
The few times I was arguing about gender politics on Facebook there was always guys who would jump to "defend (?)" me labeling themselves a feminist allies. Then they would send me friend requests and when we were chatting a bit they would start to hit on me, some of them getting angry because I was always rejecting them.
I always think of them as nice guys in disguise.
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