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I actually liked it a lot more than I was expecting, but I think it was mixed poorly similar to Vampire
he seems to be doing that shouting to the mic thing u see people bashing other idols for (ex: jennie)
to answer your question: no
no sm rapper could except maybe
sehun in china since he has a massive fanbase of braindead consoomers. no one takes sm's rappers seriously and for good reason: every single one of them is shit. he could try to milk his existing fans dry and social climb in japan but it wouldn't get him very far.
Ofc they are not enlisting together. That would be the dumbest business decision ever, specially now that BH is going public. You don't send your cashcows to hiatus for over a year kek They dont give two shits about the family image, it's mostly fans projecting since they're not even close behind cameras, there's maybe 2 or 3 genuine friendships among them but thats it.
Besides, probably not their last album before Jin enlists either, since 91 liners like Suho havent enlisted so far and people thought they were due last year. It seems like they have until the day they turn 29 and not until their 28th birthday as people were interpreting before.
But won’t he be 29 by next December? He’s 28 now.
Also I think it would be a smart move actually cause they can take a break all together this way and when they all come back the company will market their comeback as an epic one. The fans will try their best to make sure that they’ll get good numbers, for the first album at least, just because “haters” will be egging them on for over a year. I’m sure they can release unseen footage in the meantime and sell it in dvds, plus solo projects they will have already worked on like those mixtapes that their fans keep asking for…
It's by regular international age and he was born in Dec 92.
The company would struggle for over a year and there's no guarantee the hype would still be there after that to make up for the losses. Some other group would probably fill the void. Plus, they would piss off the soon to be shareholders who only care abt dividends.
I see, I’m confused about the age thing always.
It would be risky to send them around the same time, that’s for sure, but I could see it working out and receiving positive press, even in the west. They’re brothers, they can’t be separated, blah blah how sweet… I think it could work.
Not sure this would be good for the younger ones (Jk, JM).
There's a reason why they extented the age limit until when one has to enlist.
No dude under 26 should go if he doesn't have to. Also the members as individuals will probably release stuff anyway.
Jin is the least liked member as well.
Normally in Korean culture you respect your hyungs but the mankae line seems to bully Jin l
I remember when Jungkook pushed Jin off the stairs once kek
I think Jimin is capable of having a successful solo career. Even though he is a shit singer, he's the most popular member or one of I'm not sure. I want to say Jungkook too but Idk how bts fans feel about him anymore.
Really don't know about the rest but I can say with certainty Jin will be jobless after Bts.
They don't need to, they're like the richest idols on earth
But of course they could. They will always have some ratmys to lap up whatever they piss out.
Different anon but I personally think he can, although I'm not sure how he stands with the Korean public because of his past scandals, so definitely not a good option for him right now. I do know the idol he looks up to is U-Know, so I imagine him doing something similar, maybe collaborating with other artists more than solo.
I liked "Long Flight" personally, it was a bit forgettable but nice and I like his singing voice in contrast with his deeper rap. I personally only dislike his freestyle dance lol but he's still one of my favorite idols and I get why he's seen as one of the most charismatic ones on stage. I'm always drawn to him or Mark.>>75780
Dreamcatcher is one of those groups I personally don't listen to but I feel their comebacks are really good. It's hard to top Deja Vu honestly, it was such a great dramatic song lol. I'm not really feeling the rap in this one.
This isn’t too bad. I like it.>>75791
I much prefer their song Girl Friend over Bouncy. Bouncy makes me feel a little angry for some reason.>>75787
This song is now stuck in my head, but yeah the yolo part was pretty cringe.
Shit on NCT all you want I wasn't asking because I wanted to argue. I know that the board is open to everything, I've been here since #4. I was just curious because I feel most music nowadays in kpop has that "noisy" sound. I mean even LOONA's last song was like that. RV has better vocals for sure.
I won't argue that second gen idols had better vocals, but I think there was a lot of shit too. I also feel a lot of second gen fans hate boy groups, like the dude from KPOP4LIFE. He likes soo many songs that I feel if a boy group released it he would absolutely hate it.
I definitely think there is solo potential, but only for Jungkook, Jimin and MAYBE Jhope. Jungkook is obviously the most skilled member. Jimin is the most popular . Jhope and released a few things and managed to do pretty well.
Their fan base doesn’t care enough about RM to support his solo efforts so I’m not sure what will happen .
Jin has expressed wanting to act YEARS ago, but I’ve never heard of him taking it on??? Taehyung had one acting gig and it was a shit show. If anything Jin has no potential for a solo. Taehyung doesn’t rly either imo.
I think none of them could handle the pressure as solo artists,except for maybe the rap-line.
Jin is to BTS what Jisoo is to BP,conventionally attractive and just tagging along because he didn't make it into acting.I doubt that he'd seriously be interested in solo work.And V just seems to be completely over being an idol sometimes.He seems more into art and photography.
Junkook and Jimin are deeply insecure and they'd absolutely crumble under any criticism.Jk always cries even at the smallest fuck-up and so does Jimin who also seems to have issues with body image.There's no doubt in my mind that they (imo) are the least suitable for solo work because of that.I imagine that BH would constantly pressure them to meet their standards too.BH doesn't care about their (mental) health judging by what they showed in their documentary and how they exploited Jimin's ED.
i dont care about bts but i watched their solo stuff since they have been discussed here for a while now.
jhope is BY FAR the one with the most potential and talent.
maybe check online with what other people are saying, preferably westerners that have worked with him when in the states. put your personal dislike aside. hateboners will just do you a disservice.
yeah chicken noodle soup would smash… oh wait>>75823
agree, he needs someone who actually cares about his interests rather than just about him as a part of bts.
A lot of people came with their families and they seemed like 2nd/late 2nd gen fans of shinee/exo. The mom beside me was screaming her top off for Kai.
Mark's solo started off nervous and I think it was because some of his childhood friends he hadn’t seen in years were there.
I got distracted during Baekhyun’s solo but from what I remember he didn’t sing very well, I liked the r&b song he performed though
Lucas’s solo was hard to get through
Kai's "Confession" I like the beat but not his flow or the lyrics. He did a lot of thirst trap stuff that got the kids screaming and it was a bit cringe
Ten is an excellent dancer, but I didn't like the song choice. I think it was his own song but he wasn't singing so idk what that was about.
There was a performance where they all threw frisbees into the crowd and I thought that was hilarious.
I personally enjoyed Baby Don’t Stop, No Manners, and GTA (Taeyong's) the most
I think he can be a strong solo artist. During his solo he held the entire stage pretty well by himself and I actually had a thought about how I wouldn’t mind if the rest of the concert was just him. He had the most energy/enthusiasm throughout, the others seemed tired.
Trying to refresh my memory here but I don't remember much of the other performances just the ones I mentioned. And most of the songs I only heard for the first time at the concert.
Greetings and goodbyes where they stop and talk to the audience were a bit awkward but understandable because half of them don't speak English
V will go into modeling/fashion/acting.
Jimin and Jungkook will become solo idols.
Hope and RM will tread water as rappers.
Suga will be fine, he’ll probably rap and devote more time to music production. He has hella industry connections too.
Jin will mostly disappear, maybe get a variety gig or something.
Jin comes from money and owns a restaurant, he probably has other endeavours too so I see him peacing out of stardom, he's not very passionate abt it anyways
Rapline will be fine at least as producers
Taehyung will def go into acting, he's friends with Choi Wooshik and other hyped actor so he has the connections
Jimin and Jungkook in theory have good prospects as solo acts but in reality they're a hot mess so there is that
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Jennie is apparently dating the photographer she worked in London, Hugo Comte. Seen on date at Engawa Restaurant in London with none of her managers or friends with them.
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Not sure who took this pic of Jennie and some other Korean actresses at some museum, but it's possible she was followed the entire day
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I know this is Bella Hadid in this pic and she is known for taking photos like this all the time but she is somewhat close to to the same photographer. Makes you wonder if this guy is trying to get close to Jennie just so he can get her comfortable enough to request her to strip down in a future photoshoot.
So going on private dinner dates >>75931
without her managers counts as work-related activities now? Why didn't her supposed BFF that flew to London with Jennie come to dinner with her? I guess she didn't want to feel like third-wheel.
You missed the point. I don’t really cares about she does and I love me some drama. However being so careless express a lack of consideration for her bandmates and a love for attention. Not only she’s awfully bad on stage but she also has dating/rudeness/nepotism scandals/rumors. Jenniechans use anxiety, depression and what else to make her an innocent victim
. The reality is she no better than those talentless Instagram social climbers.
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Dating and fat accusations were abt Sehyoon. Ex-fan also accused Byeongkwan and Sehyoon of gaming with someone ~problematic
~ and saying disgusting things. idk if there's proof bc everyone's being hush-hush and passing around a private google doc lol
Their company finally made a statement– apparently said fan was following one of the members of ACE around and it was caught on CCTV?
I read something about super-glue on a car but I have no idea what that is about.
Is there any way to get into the google doc?
late but gotta admit he looks to be doing really well in those vids, better than the rest of sperm. so yeah, id say he has a good shot at solo stardom.
i wont tag those ridiculous posts hating on her. she is famous so everyone wants to get with her. she sleeps around a lot. good for her and it will never be you. nothing new here. you are just making yourself look pathetic by trying to put that 'bitch' down. if she delivers milk, great. if not, stop your whining and get a life.
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SM's new girl group, though only technically.https://www.allkpop.com/article/2020/02/sms-subsidiary-mystic-reveals-their-new-girl-group-rookies
of coursed theres a couple of underaged ones, what a shock
This, Boom, and Love Me Now are my favorites so far.>>75980
I never really pay attention to a lot of boy groups, but I’ll looking into this group more. This is a pretty nice song.
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Not gonna lie I actually enjoyed this song.
>>75991>I’ll looking into this group more
so you know nct but not the chinese nct subunit?>>75992
something about his face reminds me of jimin. never found him attractive, don't like his voice at all either. wayv may have the weakest vocal line I've seen from an sm group.
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Anon from earlier makes me wish this thread really was full of 2ng hags who hate this shitshow and are just here to shit on it. Instead, we have a thread full of zoomer nctzens who can hardly hide their bias and their shit taste.
Can't even picture anyone older than 19 sincerely enjoying any 3rd gen groups. Pic related, middle school fangirls are the type I imagine being invested in these boys.
sounds milky. pics and stories please
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The first girl is Takeuchi Miyu? So I guess she did get that nosejob! Ngl she looks much better now so it was for the best
this is the better looking nose? really?
what was it like before?
and there it is
kpop fans inferiority/superiority complex towards japanese ppl really does show up every other thread lmao
still mad that japan has an actual fashion industry and 2nd biggest music industry in the world w/out shoving it down americans throats, huh kpoppie?
i feel like its not even that
they're literally just jpop rejects and see kpop as their only other option short of JAV
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she got a nose job
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I know no1curr what knetz think but I lol'd. I had no idea everglow was from fucking Yuehua, a chinese company. Explains a lot tbh (no racebait xx)
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Chen's post in the lysn app. Again it was not received well by most Korean fans.
clearly noone care kexols thoughts because sm just released a statement confirming there would be no changes to the member line up
and also that the group is basically kill now that everyone's eenlisting and all they're going to do from here on out is sub units, sperm, and solos.
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I think my husbando constantly spamming his group's Twitter with his weird fucking pseudo-fetish art is what's going to finally make me drop kpop.
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Nayeon's stalker is planning to go back to Korea already.https://twitter.com/YoshTG/status/1229835052005109760
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Speaking of deranged, Korean fans are trying to kill A.C.E. with superglue. I have no idea who this is but apparently its a group thats getting semi popular nowadays. https://www.koreaboo.com/news/boy-group-ace-attacked-anti-fan-trying-poison-members-super-glue/
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Unfunny. I am not sorry about this,
isnt this the THIRD time everglow has been exposed for plagiarizing? Why have they been not cancelled yet by the kpop community?
I just find it ironic that momoland got cancelled because one of their song sounded similar but here we have everglow plagiarizing every song in existence and still receiving love from hypocritical kpop stan twt.
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I hope you're not judging all j-idols by produce48 girls.
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because momoland plagiarized a popular song and got a hit song with it. while everglow isn't that well known.
i had hopes for this comeback, but oh god, the autotune
i really hope the bad quality of the recording is distorting the audio, otherwise this is gonna be a mess
I also like this one because it has 90s r&b boyband vibes
Btw which of their voices is your favorite? (question goes to anyone who listens to their music ofc)
The only version of Idol that is valid
is the one in the teaser. I still don't know why bighit didn't release that onen lmao. Anyway I agree that Not Today is hot garbage and in some parts they all looked washed out for some reason.
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Jesus what did they do to her. It looks like they merged her with Jessi
I don't think NCT Dream had a popular concept. Plus SM seems to like pushing whatever song has their golden scammer in it. NCT Dream had the 'cute' thing going for a while but now they're trying to go along with the older (dare I say 'sexy') concept that has been popular for years.
The sexy concept for BGs has become such a 'safe' choice. I'm tired of the same sexy concepts over and over. It's also just so fucking cringey to see girls thirsting over idols bc most if not all 3rd gen idols are not sexy. The only sexy concepts that have been done well have had muscular, masculine men who could sell it (2PM Taecyeon). To the anons here who think otherwise, stop flicking your bean to your bias's veiny ana arms and highly edited fansite photos. Go outside, get a boyfriend. Get a therapist. (Joking…kind of)
Am I the only one hoping for some sort of reverse? I kinda wish the flowerboy concept would be popular. I linked a video of 'flowerboy' 1st gen idols for reference, it's kind of cute even if you hate the song. I like the baggy clothes but that's prob just nostalgia.
And no, I'm not saying 30 year old idols should do this but it's a FAR better option for the underage ones (aged below 22 when it might become cringe) to do more age appropriate concepts instead of being sexualized.
flowerboys looked human back then
now they try to look like botched anime characters with weird colored hair
why did they use so much autotune? it ruined the whole song.
this is basically like not today 2.0
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Why is it called kinetic manifesto film?
holy shit lol
V for visual everyone kek
The quality of their songs and videos has been going downhill since Spring Day, like another anon said. everything since then has been a letdown
Why did they promote this as a hardcore album? The single is BWL tier.
This is so shit. The autotune kills any chance of it being listen-able.
Also, jimincel looks so fucking ugly with that greasy mop on his head.
Why is it so fucking long? The song just sucks ass. I may had given it a chance if it didn't have so much autotune, but still would had cringed because of jimin and V's voices, can they stop trying to sing so high??
I don't dislike autotune, I really liked it in EVERGLOW'S Bon bon chocolat for example, but it sounds really bad in this one and it just makes it seem like they can't sing/rap anymore.
JK's high note around 3:11 lol it was more robotic than human. That much auto tone doesn't match with a performance video, it just looks weird. Like Baekhyun doing the weird robot voice in Obsession…
The lives are going to be so bad because of it lol
Why are you so triggered
by people liking a different type than you? Not everyone’s into the muscular masculine look. Chill.
I doubt it, it's probably photoshopped. You can't really suspect something like that unless it's a candid photo or during a live.
My feed is already full of BTS reactions labeling this song "best ever" lol I get so frustrated with the obvious pandering to ARMY.
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These fans are delulu.You can be a fan of someone but still say that a cb is mediocre or even subpar yet look at them praising it like it's the best thing that they've put out.Ridiculous.
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some stans on twitter are not happy about bts new album packaging, especially the photobook. It's made with really thin paper and it kinda comes apart immediately ?
Here's the link to the video, the replies are hilarious because apparently not liking subpar merch is being ungrateful.https://twitter.com/SpringDayKV613/status/1230839895083479041
As an ex army, I have 2 of their albums and it was always good quality so idk what the fuck was bighit thinking.
I've listened to the album and it's so forgettable ugh I already don't remember half of the songs and I really can't stand jimin and jk's perpetual high grating autotuned voices
I have the CD and I can confirm the packaging is just utter shit. The paper is newspaper paper, I got a group photocard (Normally I wouldn't complain but it was just a picture from the "photobook", talk about cheap), the photobook isn't even a proper photobook, and yes it does come apart inmediately. BigHit really dropped the ball here.
Even the Wings album had better packaging and that's saying something.
Oh well, at least I enjoyed the CD…
They can see themselves more in that idol while the "perfect" ones are too unreachable for them. Also I think a lot of people like to root for the underdog in spite of their lack of talent. Or maybe that untalented member is funny/likable in shows, etc.
Another thing is I think a lot of kpop fans like to mother the idols because of how the media portrays them as cute and innocent. Hence why they baby the ones that are outside of the spotlight the most.
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Yeah I was just confused because a couple of anons noticed something different and I didn't. I initially read the post wrong and though someone was shocked because another idol looked like Jennie, not the other way around lol
Talking about Gangnam unnie, you should see the girl from ANS. I can't believe she's 19 and already has so much ps, considering idols change their appearance so much during their career I'm afraid for her. She's really at the limit because she still looks pretty albeit fake, but it could go overboard fast.
listened to the new bts title for 30 seconds but couldnt be bothered to continue and dont give enough shits about them to listen to the album
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I’m so confused because first they talk shit about how western artists don’t know how to make physical albums and now they’re pulling out every excuse in the book for the bullshit they were sold for $40+ . Obviously you wouldn’t buy it if you don’t like the music, but you don’t want a shit product either .
if they were paying for just the album then the price wouldnt have mysteriously and coincidentally gone up as the photobook sized up. do they think paper, printing materials, production costs, photoshoot costs, clothing, props etc are funded from nothing? you pay for everything thats included and as a customer youre allowed to complain if youve been charged more for lower quality. im sure mr. new-pair-of-airpods-every-month wont die if people make valid
complaints about something they spent their or their parens hard earned money on only to get some newspaper.
i am disappointed and unsurprised.
pleasantly surprised to see sienna lalau though.
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>>76319>using the term lookist unironically
you simp for ugly untalented males who will never fuck you KEK
I think NCT having the distinctive "experimental" sound is their biggest curse. Some of their songs are really nice, but they just get lost in the sea of similar-sounding dull songs.
Besides, there is no change in concept from one release to another, so all songs sound like they could be on one record. For example, 'Love me now' is too similar to their pre-debut track 'Switch', and 'Day Dream' sounds exactly like it is from 'Regular' era. I feel like SM could put much more effort into NCT's concepts music-wise.
And ugh, I just can't with their rap-line's tracks… Who told this kids they can rap? They both are cringe personified and I can't believe their fans don't get embarassed when they see these try-hards.
Because big hit is retarded >>76328
No idea, but Wings was absolutely their best era. All BH is doing is promoting bts over and over with no quality or substance. I'm gonna be disappointed when my album arrives now
2015-16 BTS was the their peak honestly
Wings, HYYH had very good songs and felt more real kek I can’t believe I’m saying that
Honestly I would prefer INU, RUN, BST over IDOL, BWL , ON anyday
Ofc those 3 are better. With the exception of idol – which was a tailored order made by big hit to western producers – those other 2 are justin bieber/jonas brothers/whatever rejected songs.
They should give up already on being palatable to the middle american. They're never going to be mainstream solely on the base of singing in korean, muricans barely can stand spanish songs ffs. They're wasting their 2 last years of being NBG with less than mediocre work.
That and the gay ass name
“Kinetic Manifesto” tf lololol
i wonder what kind of video bighit will come up with to make up for this mediocre song so it can break a record
i've checked out the sia version, her voice is so out of place in the song
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Tf is this?
Korean Fans = Extremely conservative and critical.
Western Fans = Extremely over the top horny shits, sexualizing anything on site.
Dunno which one is worse.
kdramas were ok back when actual actors were in them, in the mid 2000s they started putting kpop idols in everything which was the problem
uee, sohee and yoona especially just came in with their low tier acting skills and shit on the entire genre and getting rewarded for it that it didnt even matter anymore
It's a mediocre cb but I still have hope for the 28th.
What I dislike about the album is that Seokjin's solo recycled several old songs, Jungkook's solo was much more inferior compared to Euphoria and at last- the song "Friends"…the concept is gaybaiting if that's a word…and Jimin and Taehyung hugging after that interview in America seemed so forced…
They are trying to make money off the shippers again, I feel so sorry for Jimin.
Bts' recent fanservice is just way too forced…it used to be entertaining (kissing wow so funny), now it's become this huge mess that I'm scared that it will affect the boys.
I used to be delulu and think that Jimin and Jungkook were genuinely dating. I reached that conclusion after all the intimacy, kissing and lap sitting, that they displayed during Love Yourself tour…I am beginning to realise that Jimin and Taehyung are now doing the same except even more forced…it will break my heart to learn that the boys are being instructed fanservice.
>>76425>i feel so sorry for Jimin
Pretty sure Jimin doesn’t care. He actually loves queerbaiting and looking like he lusts for every member/anyone. Don’t be a delusional Jimin stan.
This album reeks of trying hard to get that western validation, it’s pathetic.
Yes, I see that side of him sometimes. But I just really hope it's just the company instructing some of the really ridiculous things…his "bigender" tattoo, the way he'll be the only one NOT wearing a suit when everyone else is.
I am done with the fluffy cardigans and glittery makeup…
I'm the ex-delulu anon.
Anyway I have the same habits of reading into body lanaguage (like an obsessive idiot) and I'm already getting vibes that Bighit is trying to replace Jungkook with Taehyung as the gay delulu favourite…
Jimincel stan, if we have to be honest here then shouldnt we feel sorry for jungkook and taehyung instead?
Jimin-cel loves fanservice because that is the only thing he is good at, he is shit at singing, jhope is better at dancing, and v/jk are better looking than him so the only thing jimincel can claim is his fanservice and thats why he does it so much.
When bts were in saudi arabia,they were forbidden to do gay fanservice there yet jimin still kept on chasing after Jk/v, with jk flinching with fear and avoiding him and V looking sick yet jimin still keept on pushing it…..so…
honestly with all the tattoo girl drama they are probably trying to avoid ANY dating rumors abt jungkook, even when its the delulu shipping ones to keep him out of the spotlight
i dont think fan service is a chore at all for jimin since hes naturally affectionate and vmin is the least controversial ship among the great jungkook/jimin/v twilight style love triangle because jikook/vkook delulus can interpret it as "bffs just messing around"
This stuff is usually booked months in advance, I highly doubt it.
They may have to cancel their concert in Seoul in April though.
as a 'ratmy' myself i see more people ranting about streams than the actual music
imo its better than MOTS: persona but i prefer black swan to ON and had different expectations for the album based on black swan
bighit did a bad job with making clear that their pretentious ass kinetic manifesto is an official MV so a lot of IG and facebook fans are not streaming and waiting for the MV on the 28th
on is more my taste than boy with luv but i worry about jks vocal cords on tour trying to hit all those high notes without autotune
also solo stans are on a roll this cb
overall reception seems to be positive but confused
not on twitter but on tumblr, they've been praising it, haven't seen a single person say anything negative
what a surprise
Cause it’s better than their previous one I reckon.
And indeed vmin is the least controversial ship, hence the silly song.
I also think Jimin likes the clothes he wears. Tbh he’s the only one with some sense of style, I often want what he wears.
That's funny, cause the lyrics of jk's solo song suggest that he had to give up a relationship for his job.
Everyone who still thinks jimincel is a gay butterfly is a delulu. His song is the ultimate fuckboy hymn. Really surprised i don't hear anyone complain about how sexual this song is.
Cause fans love his sensual side.
Jk was rumored to have a gf actually, about 2 years ago.
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This argument would make sense if they were talking about disposable products, but this is a photo album…people are supposed to keep it. And "organic" doesn't mean the paper it has to be the lowest quality you can print on. Why can't they just say they're disappointed? Any disagreement or bad thing you say is dispelled by ARMYs moving the goal post or making some shite up, when will this fandom collapse in on itself?
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They really want to not be categorized as a kpop group, huh. No wonder most ratmies are pretentious little shits, they’re full of themselves. From what i understand of their songs’ lyrics they know the unhealthy impact they have on their fans and encourage them to keep looking at them like that and now in interviews they talk about creating their own genre… sit your ass down.
The school where ten studied alone cost 25k a year only in tuition.
Johnny family also seems well-off someone leaked info about his family.
Jaehyun family is also is a doctor and I think his mom was a fashion designer.
Winwin family went to pick him up at the airport in a Porsche cayenne.
Yangyang has a pictures with sport cars and wearing luxury clothing since predebut.
Hendery family is also well of.
In general in kpop foreigners are usually well-off.
Wendy school cost 45k pretty expensive.
Also most Idols nowadays come from wealthy families, it's not like those tvxq/suju members who where poor or sunmi. Maybe korean people are becoming more wealthy tbh I really don't know if it's true.
I used to be obsessed about the HYYH story, I even read the book released last year.
Using their real names for their characters wasn't a good choice. Each character has a sad storyline, specially Jungkook and Yoongi. They both try to kill themselves several times and Jin tries to stop them. The webtoon is pretty graphic, I was horrified. Imagine reading a comic where you are a character and you try to kill yourself in this comic so many times, in a pretty ugly way.
I didn't know that about jaehyun's family but I always assumed they were rich.
What about taeyong, mark, yuta, and taeil? I've never heard anything about their family's wealth status's
all of snsd is pretty well off now, but the ones who already came from super rich families were jessica, sooyoung and sunny
tiffany was basically disowned/cut off from her family so she got none of whatever they had
sooyoungs family took her in financially
Same anon as >>76491
but I forgot to include Jungwoo and Haechan. I've never heard anything about their families either
Her mom died when she was 12/13 Korean age and went went on her first SM audition at 14/15 and they signed her but she had already been attempting to audition because she was obsessed with BoA and Rain and had already met him lol, and she actually obtained an invote from SM specifically after having already sent in a video of her school performances. She was very vocal about how her family basically treated her like a black sheep, because she wanted to embrace Korea and Korean culture, and her love for Kpop while her father wanted her to be American and focus on school like her siblings.
"She was invited to audition at the SM Entertainment Starlight Casting System, where she auditioned with Christina Aguilera's song "The Voice Within", and joined the company on October 2004 in Los Angeles at age 15."
"Tiffany is the youngest of three siblings. Her older sister studied anthropology at Berkeley. For much of her early career when approached with the topic of mothers or family, Tiffany would often refer to her father or both parents; on a radio broadcast she stated that she missed her mother who was far away and she had not seen her in some time. However, in late 2009 she said for the first time in public that her mother had already died. She later said that her mother had died two years before she herself became a trainee, and that she is somewhat distant with her father, all of her immediate family living overseas."
Leeteuk's father killed himself and his parents (Leeteuk's grandparents) in a murder-suicide, I think that one takes the cake>>76513
She left when Yoona was very young, and rumours say that it was because she was a mail-order SEA bride, which is where the speculation of Yoona being half-Vietnamese comes from
There are a lot of idols who look secretly mixed. Yugyeom of GOT7 being one of the big ones that comes to mind.
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yoona literally has a malaysian doppelganger and a suspiciously missing mom in a country that constantly takes in south east asian mail order brides, she's obviously half sea(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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No, Yoona had tons of plastic surgery. Her pre-debut face is very South Korean
Anon people from different ethnicities can look alike….
Doesn’t Obama have an Indonesian doppelgänger?
some hapas looks completely East Asian
Just ask r/hapas
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There's people like hangyul from x1 (Well he is adopted idk about his bio parents) and jihyo who looks suspicious.
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I feel like his face has changed somehow but I can't put my finger on it…
nctfag here and from much speculation lol im pretty sure taeyong, haechan, mark, arent rich. but the majority of nct definitely is. nct’s been pretty good about not having much family info leaked, i guess it’s a byproduct of them all being trainees from a pretty young age. there arent even pictures of their siblings out there. doyoung, johnny, jaehyun, jeno, jaemin, are all well off for sure, all of wayv is LOADED (theres a twitter post going around about how none of them know how to boil ramen). no real info on taeil or jungwoo either?
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Yeah I agree with you. Im >>76508
and have never heard that Yoona is possibly half South East Asian. I do know that her parents divorced when she was too little to remember much of anything. But she has never really talked about it and its not public knowledge. That rumor sounds straight out of some random Allkpop or Soompi forum lol. I definitely believe that there are biracial idols that dont discuss it, but Yoona has a very Korean profile and looks like an average Korean girl. At least she did back in the day, but like a lot of idols has softened her features with plastic surgery, which is her prerogative of course. Her "doppelganger" only slightly resembles her current look/features.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
She actually looks a lot better here with her normal jaw and nose….i dont understand why she made them smaller.>>76548
all sm idols are obssesed with plastic surgery
xiaojun's dad is a semi famous tv persona, isnt he?
maybe it's the lighting/makeup but he looks older like taeil now…>>76549>all sm idols are obssesed with plastic surgery
i think it's mostly the company who pushes them to do it tho
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ateez looks even worse
>>76543>all of wayv is LOADED
I thought Lucas was upper middle class at most. Then again, middle class in Hong Kong already sorta = rich. He got dragged by cfans of all people for not being as rich as the other members or going to a ghetto public school or something like that.>>76551
Xiaojun is a survival show reject so I assume he is
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>>76558>ghetto public school
Lol I remembered this
damn skin whitening really changes you
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its how many of them will age. plastic surgery is complicated. doing one thing can affect other things in the face.
also doing ps young can have unforeseen results when older.
pic related(spot the other plastic surgery guys next to jj): jj is in his early 30s. no idea what he has had done, but clearly he had and its very visible now.
on top of that the lifestyle might not be the healthiest. staying up non stop for schedules and partying with groupies, drinking etc.
heechul is what? 37? his face is noticeably sagging and it doesnt look as though he had a lot done. he never looked as (filler)bloated in younger pics as i.e. taemin.
taemin is 27(?) and the signs of aging are already hitting him now (and the past year).
on the bright side:they are rich and can easily afford good plastic surgeons for a face lift (10-15k) (or thread lift, lots cheaper)
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jaejoong only really messes with his nose and jaw now so he's avoided looking really uncanny the way a lot of eye surgeries can leave you looking, but from a lot of angles he definitely looks worse than he would without the work. his nose was sort of hooked and crooked the last time i really kept up with him but its been really straight and sort of round for at least 5 years now, and his jaw looked fine after the predebut work. it's probably a way to get away from the harsher image he had and look younger, but he's been one bad surgery away from scary for a long time. every new piece of work he gets is just a coin toss between looking a bit different or completely messed up
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he had double eyelid surgery early on.
Here's what I have
Jungwoo no idea, I haven't see nobody saying he is rich or anything like that, but he went to a technical high school and majored in mechanical engineering, doesn't seems like a thing for rich kids tbh.
Yuta dad works building houses, yuta himself worked in 4 convenience stores and in a flower shop as part time jobs.
Taeyong probably also too in the lower income scale in NCT since before smrookies he got tricked by Jaehyun and Johnny to take off his shoes before entering to the plane because he has never been in one before, he and his sister payed vacations to his parents overseas since they have never been outside of Korea, he also worked part time and of course his scamming antics. But his parents house has a backyard and he is from Seoul, and one of his cousins has a ig where she posts pictures of her travels but could be her own money idk.
Taeil dad is a taxi driver it seems and Taeil actually managed to enter to a very competitive college hanyang university with competition of 407:1, his sister is or was studying in a very good college too.
Mark dad is a pastor, he lived in Vancouver, is rumored that his brother passed YG modeling audition but it's been long time since I read that.
I have no idea about haechan family but haven't heard nobody saying he was from a rich family.
I wonder what the dynamics are between these members and the loaded ones
> Taeil actually managed to enter to a very competitive college hanyang university with competition of 407:1
Why the fuck did he give up an opportunity like this to become an idol
lolwut I've found the reverse to be the case. The Japanese idol industry is gross but there are plenty of cute and pretty J-pop idols.>>76057
Mina looks like Sana in the first pic.>>76582
Have you heard of something called Eurocentric beauty standards, anon? People have been making fun of Asians for having monolids for year and now you're implying it's their fault for not embracing them more? Come on.
Well when a race like whites have all those features you want naturally there is bound to be some white worship
it’s not hard to understand
I’m might get banned for racebait at this point but fuck it
White people on average don’t really have huge hook noses or caveman brows ( more of a Middle East/ jew thing)
but do fit Korean beauty standards more than the average korean
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I’ve heard about this woman being the ideal beauty in korea
and of course Koreans aren’t trying to look like cavemen they’re going for a ideal that are more common in white people(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
I'm pretty sure you heard about that on lolcow.
Whenever I’ve seen WayV they do give off a kind of “rich boys playing around” vibe.
Also, can anyone speak on their popularity in China? It’s hard to gauge whether they’re actually successful or if it’s just leftover NCT fans
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he did have a way older girlfriend when he was a really young teenager, 13/14 and a 19/20 year old. This is from a translated Q&A blog post from 2002 when he was 16. Also, if any member of TVXQ was getting pimped out by SM it was obviously him. I think if all of TVXQ left SM in 2009 there would maybe be more info on how shady the company was in the 2000s because it's always felt weird to me
chaeryoung ruins it all to be honest. She isnt conventionally pretty and then there's yuna, who shocked me when she was chosen as the visual (yea yea, its bcos of ~muh koreann beauty standurrds~ but she just looks so off, resembling the joker sometimes). she and lia have the same thing going on, which is looking weird when they start to smile. Ryujin imo looks pretty but bland and yeji also seems to be one of the pretty ones, but has an interesting face.
Chaeryoung shouldnt have been in itzy. She takes away all the "visuals" the whole group has left.
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Chaeryeong is way easier to look at than Yeji and Yuna, Idg why she is getting shitted on. Sure her makeup and hairstyling is shit most of the time but her face is so clean looking you wouldn’t get tired of it unlike Yuna who is an eyesore most of the time and looks like Han Yeseuls age nowadays.https://twitter.com/archiveitzy/status/1224209587961847810
Chaeryeong isn’t conventionally pretty or super model esque but it doesn’t mean she is ugly or anything, quite nice looking IMO, the fugly one in Itzy is Yeji.
SM’s new boygroup is gonna overpower Txt and Ateez so much lol.
Hope SM doesn’t fuck them up like they did to their top boy groups, Hot, TVXQ and Exo. Lee Sooman recently had overseas business to promote the new BG and GG they’re probs gonna be sibling groups
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>“There were many fans who broke into my bedroom… In the middle of the night, while I was sleeping, on top of me…“ adding, "There are so many things they did to me that can’t be said on TV"https://www.koreaboo.com/news/jyj-jaejoong-terrifying-incident-sasaeng/
>…a sasaeng had snuck up on him during a leisurely break at a sauna and snapped a photo of him while he was asleep. The sasaeng then posted it online, even bragging that she kissed him while he was sleeping.
Yeah Twice has that cute/ageyo/kawaii concept that the west would find weird, its a very asian/weeb taste
so it might be jarring for westerners to see grown women act like kids….
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rose with them linebacker shoulders
Probably what >>76675
said. All idols who aren't from 1% families are generally looked down upon there despite mainland China being the biggest shithole in Asia.
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This made me laugh waaay too hard
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>People who have a SK passport that will enter UK will be quarantined for 14 days
Sk going on lockdown
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Nah for some reason Romeo and Juliet 1968 was a huge deal over there. Even today you see idols compared to Olivia Hussey.
I think it's in general the asian culture to have an "ideal" to target.
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Is anyone watching the Nizi project?
I dunno if its the culture or just the people themselves but these girls are focused like a laser beam. What I've K-Pop industry imploded all of a sudden? Would they just sudoku?
They’re trainees tho, not yet celebs or official ones.
Plus the fact that they’re 100 times better looking with half their face covered than Txt and Ateez do says a lot. Atleast they’re heads are proportionate w their body lmfao
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Without stage lights and idol makeup she is fugly tho
She has a resemblance to a snake now that they gave her upturned eyebrows, she was orett6 with straight ones.
She legit looks like Park Sodam.
They're still singing in aegyo voices about oppas, wearing darker clothes won't change that fact. Fancy and Feel Special doesn't erase their entire discography from 2015
Also none of them speak anything close to English
There’s a lot of other talented individuals with republic.
It’s the same label as Taylor swift, Ariana grande, DNCE, Lorde, chainsmokers, Psy, Drake, DJ Khalid, and Post Malone to name a handful.
Very surprised that this is the record the deal was made with. I wonder if twice will try changing anything to appeal to the American audiences and if so, what specifically.
well, it seems like a last ditch effort to prolong their run.
i wouldnt be surprised if the dating rumors keep accumulating from now on and their incel lewding (older) male fanbase will dry up, hence the try for western market which cares less about dating.
i totally agree with the "they have 0 appeal to western market" comments.
main audience is usually teenagers cause they are the malleable with some money soft target. the girls dont have the talents, looks or age to appeal to them (imo). + they would need a 180 turn from current concept.
isnt dreamcatcher currently kinda the thing (in gg) for western female kpop listeners?
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Lmaoo seems like bts are flopping
Why are they so obsessed with numbers? they're already rich and i hate having to see 'PLEASE REMEMBER TO STREAM AND BUY X SONG HERE' over and over. >>76721
It's boring to watch an interview and only see one member talking (broken english.) It's embarrassing too for them to not know anything after so many years
>they can't even be bothered with anything non-korean. It makes them look bad too. Plus imo it's a bit disrespectful. That is my opinion though so pls no bully.
idgi their overall sales are lower than boy with luv? or their sales for oen of the singles?>>76721
they probably don't have time to learn english to be fair but even so i think it's a deliberate choice so they can continue pretending that them being promoted in the west is organic rather than the result of a co ordinated pr campaign and so they can stick to their "authentic musicians who will never compromise by recording in english" narrative
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Armys are mad at this review from Pitchfork. They are even trying to cancel a big account for saying they don't dislike the review.
Because the reviews have been too positive they were hoping Pitchfork would give them a good score as well.
As someone who's following the group for some time and was quite disappointed with the album, I agree with everything. Armys just can't say the reviewer didn't do any research on the group, because the guy clearly did. The reviewer mentions BTS' story, the lyrics of the songs and even acknowledges the rappers as some of the best from Korea. https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/bts-map-of-the-soul-7/
>Except the members of BTS maintain that there’s still a beating heart at the core of the machine. Authenticity is part of their appeal, and they use vaguely philosophical, Jungian blueprints to make music about being true to one’s self. 7, which follows (and includes much of) the 2019 mini-album Persona, is part memoir, part fan service, part amateur psych eval. Though the music is flattened enough to appeal to just about everyone, it can still tap into something enchanting, but the glimpses of personality are fleeting.
>If the most personal is indeed the most creative, then 7 could have benefitted from a bit more personality. V has been open about how “scary” it is to be stalked by fans and Suga has rapped about depression before, but that kind of candor and complication doesn’t factor much into this, their album about the dark side of the psyche and the BTS journey. They could’ve gone deeper and used this psychoanalytic framework to say more about the joys and terrors of all-consuming celebrity—about what it does to the soul. Much has been made of BTS’ autonomy as creators, but their album feels like a brand activation, the latest petition for everyone to like and subscribe.
because they identify their self worth with it, despite the fact its only costing them valuable time and money.>>76730>On the spectrum of transitional, autobiographical pop, it’s closer to Bieber’s flavorless Changes than Ariana Grande’s vibrant thank u, next.
rather than any kpop artist or group i would be inclined to stan the author, Sheldon Pearce.
thanks for this anon!
They seem to only want to get complimented and babied, and when somebody has something to criticize they have the audacity to scoff as if they insulted royals or something.
They should recognize they got fame because of their spamming fans not because of their “talent”.
Lel, most of Nct members were promoted years in the public with their faces recognized I don’t get what you’re trying to achieve.
Not the same situation.
Omg yes his english keeps getting worse at every cb despite travelling there more often??? Or maybe it's just that he's been having to give more elaborate/complex answer and this shows that he's not that at that level of fluency just yet. Anyways it kind of gives me secondhand embarrassment.>>76716
Lmao it was obviously not live singing, it's just a prerecorded track that is a tad different from the original to sound more authentic
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Wtf they just finished their first tour and are already announcing the second one
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If Everglow have so many Western fans why can't they sell out a 1200-seat theatre (blue in pic attached are sold seats)
Can we talk about the best looking 4th gen boy groups in kpop? I'm not talking just three members but like a general attractiveness overall. Maybe one/two slightly unattractive members to be fair. I know I'm asking a lot (and kidding myself) by asserting this: DO NOT be biased, please. I am asking this question as a 2nd gen fan who has no attachment to 4th gen kpop what you all think is the best looking group. Not how beautiful your bias or your bias group is. Let the music not matter for a second (because let's be real, most kpop nowadays is trash anyways).
I did some research and so far I think The Boyz is the best looking 4th gen group. Fuck, I really tried to find another so I could list two but there were none that even came close to The Boyz (which ain't too hard unlike coming close to 2PM or smth). I Never heard of them rlly on here aside from one anon, so I assume they're nugu af. I know there's one anon who is obsessed with them in here–in anticipation of that anon, pls do not spam this thread with stuff on The Boyz.
I also think Got7 is pretty attractive across most members so they get a mention too, though I think they might fall under 3rd gen.
Before you respond:
- A group with 3-4 members can be mentioned but I'm not gonna think too much of it because it's easier to meet the 'visual' group standards when you have so few members compared to other groups.
- No NCT, BTS, Seventeen, Stray Kids, Astro (averaging Eunwoo's looks w everyone else's still does not count), and any other obviously not overall-attractive groups.
Other groups have done it though - GOT7 and Monsta X improved their English by leaps and bounds between last year and this year. Kihyun mentioned communicating daily with English-speaking friends and American tutors, even IM improved a lot since his English was only somewhat better than RM's.
I'm not saying BTS should be forced into improving, but it isn't as difficult to get to a basic conversational level if you do even a little practice everyday.
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This looks painful
How has mark not had a breakdown yet he’s been non-stop for years now
Yeah they're super new, give them time anon. Also, I agree CIX is cute but you can't really call them "natural" lol Jinyoung is the most ken doll idol I've seen so far. Dude is too pretty.>>76816
I miss Mark in NCT Dream but it's good he has one less group to worry about lol. Any news on what will happen to Dream?
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Why are Txt fans comparing this person to Jonghyun so much?
At best he looks like Leeteuk, and is nowhere near the talent Jonghyun had during his debut years.
I can kiind of see what they mean but yeah VERY little. Doesn't looks like Leeteuk either. God why are TXT so creepy looking? or they have the most unfortunate photos ever?
Also I wrote Leeteuk wrong initially and it wanted to autocorrect to Lettuce lol
is jin always this moody lol?
also they really rely on jungkook for live vocals wow. i know it's just karaoke and they aren't trying their hardest but the rest are so mediocre at singing
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The thing is they can say that shit all they like, but it’s that they’re convinced he’s some angel sent down by Jonghyun or a reincarnation of him (sure that’s how reincarnation works) . I am like 90 percent sure majority of their fans are 8 year olds, or just mentally disturbed.
Then they had the audacity to mock Shinee’s performance of their debut song which was arguably ten times better considering it was live compared to Txt..
They still wonder to this day why Shawols hate them when they even stole their Aqua blue color.
The top is Shinee’s emblem and light stick and then the bottom is Txt.
Might as well name Txt “Twinkle” while they’re at it stealing Shinee’s image.
damn they are cute ngl
they seem so clueless while rm and corden are talking
Well, then you're a slow learner. Normal people can hold a conversation after weekly english lessons in high school (and most kids are only half-assing those). Ratmon also managed to do it, why does the rest of bts need so many additional years? Making millions should be good enough of a motivation to sit their asses down and do something.>>76811
Everybody always says that, but there's the proof? In every interview his only sitting there, smiling like a dumb preteen and occasionally shouting a word. >>76826
But imagine if somebody said bts shouldn't eat that much kimchi cause they smell…
i’m not a slow learner lol. you probably overestimate your own language abilities if you think a few weekly lessons make you capable of having a conversation more in depth than ordering food or asking for directions or introducing yourself.
> Everybody always says that, but there's the proof? In every interview his only sitting there, smiling like a dumb preteen and occasionally shouting a word.
literally just watch the fallon interview. he speaks pretty well.
> But imagine if somebody said bts shouldn't eat that much kimchi cause they smell…
well that would probably have some racist connotations. post malone isn’t going to get his panties in a twist over suga saying he smokes a lot lol, no need to be offended on his behalf. it was a joke. >>76834
it’s not kpop critical anymore, you’re not required to mindlessly hate-jerk.
I mean you're having a conversation with me right now, so I'd say hs was enough (and I certainly wasn't the best in my class lol)
You probably don't even realize just how many lc users are esl (and the vast majority didn't have the privilege of getting extra english lessons like bts).
>literally just watch the fallon interview.
Which video? There are so many and I'm definitely not going through all of them.
high school is four years of daily lessons at a time when your biggest focus in life is your studies. not to mention there’s a big difference between reading and writing and speaking off the cuff. you have time to compose your thoughts and revise any mistakes… it’s not the same as trying to hold a conversation on national tv without mispronouncing anything, saying the wrong thing, conveying the wrong tone, etc. i studied french for 8 years in school… after 2 years i felt pretty comfortable with reading/writing but it wasn’t until 4-5 years in that i felt comfortable enough to have a conversation without embarrassing myself. bts does try to speak english on american shows but they revert to korean when they’re trying to explain something with a little more depth. https://youtu.be/v_9vgidPJ8g
he talks for awhile at 5:18
Are all of you guys seriously new to KPOP, has everybody forgotten how BH spammed articles with fake upvotes and like 5 comments about how Bts is rising as Exo’s rival since 2014, or how they had other KPOP groups in their tags, clashed with BB’s concept when they released Run (Sober of BB), they constantly dragged Exo and faked their identities on community forums like Jjuk Bang and DC gallery, BH adding fuel to the fire that Bts is a rising threat against Exo in 2015.
No feedback, nothing. https://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2016/05/enter-talk-bts-is-again-in-plagiarism.html
They copied Exo’s jacket shooting, said they were honored after being accused of copying Exo, copied Exo’s album crest logo weeks after it had came out.
I was an Army during all of this, i frequented Twitter. Believe me when I say BH is shit, they threw fans letters right in front of them, there were abuse allegations.
Do you think they don’t have the guts to do media play lol.https://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2016/05/enter-talk-bts-fanclub-armys-apology.html
ego > shadow > filter > moon > inner child > my time
i like everything moon and above. i like jimin’s voice a lot but i can understand why someone wouldn’t like filter, it does sound grating on the ears at times. overall the mixing and production of the album is atrocious
Lol you’re acting as if I’m just nitpicking one picture that happened to be similar, the whole photo album was a direct copy of Shinee’s photo album. There’s no mere coincidence if you have 7 photos identical to someone else photo shoot.
During the same time frame, they got accused of copying Bigbang, Shinee, Exo, Block B and various of nugu idols etc.
You’d think there was a problem with Bts and not everybody else just “happened” to collide with their concept.
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idk, i’ve noticed that too. to be fair he’s seemed pretty upbeat in their most recent promotions, like joking around and smiling more. but during awards season he seemed pretty checked out. might just be fatigue or a depressive mood. it also seems like he’s been staying up extremely late/can’t sleep.
If I was a fan I'd prefer somebody who is smiling and talkative during shows, interviews, etc over somebody who tweets/posts a lot. The latter seems just forced, like "Yeah quickly gotta upload some shit to please those bitches". Being friendly in front of the camera is a lot less easy to fake than just writing cheesy stuff online and therefore those people are also likely more genuine.
If we take a look at american celebs, the ones with less of an online presence are also usually the more normal, down to earth or at least less problematic
i used to feel the same, he felt colder than the rest and the trad farm boy vibes from him would put me off.
after looking more into their content i feel like he's probably become somewhat more openminded as he started to travel the world. i expected him to be very religious but they've mentioned that he doesn't have daith, i was surprised
Yes and he speaks with them too. Sometimes they record him. He once spoke with a girls mother too for a bit.
I’m surprised myself because he comes across as a very distant person.
I don't give a fuck about fandom colors, but SM's former creative director Min Heejin did move to Big Hit around 1-2 years ago. She pretty much created Shinee and f(x) concepts and visuals from scratch…it's not a stretch to assume Big Hit poached her to do the same things that she did for SM groups
Also, a few years ago, the director of some BTS MV was chosen by Bang PD after he saw that director's work on Red Velvet's Ice Cream Cake video. So Big Hit is most definitely watching SM a bit more closely
Aka redoing his own SM copycat and becoming the richest company. This just proves SM has the best ideas in the industry so Bang just copies them while playing the "We were nobodies" game. As if…
It's so funny to see how their fans fall for this obvious scam game. But that's not m y problem. I just pity all those who will wake up one day and see through but all their money and time were invested into BigHit's pockets while they'll just be left contemplating the lies they used to believe.
It was in fact Lee Sooman who came up with the concept of F(c) and a SHINee, he and Kenzie did most of their songs (out of directors and producers in Sm). Min Heejin started out with being a minor part in the visual aspect in SM, such as album covers, jacket photo shoots before she ended up being creative director with much more control which ended in disaster and LSM opted to get her out. Only good coming from her after getting that position was the Why album. Other than that it was a huge mess.
It’s a misconception to say that she came up with the idea of this eccentric concept That F(Shinee) had when LSM was the mastermind behind it, he gets way too little credit.
People credit Heejin for Pink Tape and various Shinee eras but…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Albums_produced_by_Lee_Soo-manhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_written_by_Kenzie
All she did was follow what they told until she finally got her position among directors and introduced to us the worst era of SM artists.
Lucky one, I just Wanna Dance, Firetruck, Seventh Sense, Free Somebody etc… all so lackluster.
Throwback when BH ceo said he wanted to recreate his own TVXQ.
The SM blueprint wow. I don’t know what will be off BH after Bts declines
According to studies it takes about 2 years of studies to be able to have the skills to speak about daily things in a second language, and it takes 5 years to reach actual fluency. You would have to be in a very specific environment to be able to speak more than one language fluently in a short time, but a lot of people don't realize that.>>76866
It really does, like why did it take them a whole year to release that… They should have focused a bit more on the quality both of the songs and the freaking photo album since this might be one of the last albums they release where they can all tour together>>76870
V's been pretty goofy and active compare to others on Weverse like others say, so I think he might be fine. Just his face I guess
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so was Olivia Hye named that because she resembles Olivia Hussey?
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Btw this Doja Cat tweet is so based lol
So BI has apparently tested negative for drugs and may be innocent?
Sorry if this formats weirdly, my phone is being a bit of a pain.
“ On February 27, a representative from the Gyeonggi Provincial Police Department confirmed with media outlet 'Sports World', "B.I has tested negative in his illegal drug use evaluation. The Gyeonggi police carried out meticulous evaluations by sending B.I's hair follicles to the National Forensics Department, and the results concluded that no illegal drug substances were found."
The representative continued, "B.I's illegal drug use and dealing case has now come to a wraps, and police will be forwarding the case over to prosecution soon."
Back in September of last year, former iKON member B.I participated in a 14-hour long police questioning session where he was investigated for an acquaintance 'A's accusations from 2016. Afterward, B.I admitted to portions of 'A's accusations, resulting in the police labeling B.I as an official 'suspect' and questioning him additionally over a course of 7 investigative sessions.
Back in 2016, 'A' was arrested for charges of illegal drug usage and dealings, where she provided police with evidence of B.I requesting to purchase illegal drugs. However, 'A' has since adjusted her statements, claiming that after discussing drug dealings via text messages, they never met up for B.I to receive the package. Due to 'A's statements, it's likely that police have concluded B.I innocent in his illegal drug dealing charges.
Stay tuned for updates on the ongoing case.’https://www.allkpop.com/article/2020/02/police-confirm-that-bi-tested-negative-for-drug-usage-suspected-to-be-innocent-in-illegal-drug-dealing-charges
we know, >>76953
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Either they're talking shit to keep investors interested, or BP pissed off YG's petty ass, or somebody is getting out of that contract
Nobody cared much about Rose and Jisoo to begin with, Lisa is "only" SEA and his little princess Jennie successfully managed to drive away any korean fans because she showed again and again what a massive bitch she is. And contrary to western fans, Koreans don't think that being a rude, entitled, spoiled and perpetually late cunt is being a "strong queen!".
His next group needs to be advertised with "prettier than 2ne1 - and nicer than BP" lol
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It's probably the best for Blackpink though at this point, rosés legs look genuinely terrifying.https://twitter.com/_youimma/status/1232694170831032320
im guessing lisa is gonna leave and blackpink disbands in 2021 >>76974
she lost so much weight that her head looks like a mask… they need ygngg to take their spot soon.
I haven't kept up with them, but I find the biblical imagery so random.
Also Taehyung is starting to look older, he should ditch the bowl cute and flowerboy aesthetic already.
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it’s subjective so i get it, but imo there’s nothing ordinary about his looks. i’d say he’s probably in the 98th percentile for male attractiveness. although he’s been looking slightly rougher lately (probably due to drinking)
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anon I snorted
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I don't mean it in a negative way, it's just that he lost some babyfat and has a nice jaw (imo) so the long fluffy hair is starting to look weird.
Omfg lol the first cover sounds literally like this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_hhOwUisSI
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Absolutely nothing about his face is above average, I'm sorry for you, you must be surrounded by literal monsters.>>77021>ratmys: they're such precious sensitive baby bois who must be protected from all meanies>also ratmys: let's praise them for still working at the old age of 25
Must be nice knowing that stupid fangirls would literally kiss your mediocre millionaire ass for simply breathing.
Praising the intense choreography = praising breathing? Get your head out of your asshole PLEASE
On the other hand, the lipsyncing was actually really noticeable esp during the rap parts, it’s funny cuz they’ve even recorded the heavy breathing and stuff to make it more believable haha
Because pretty much any group they will release will get all the BP fans. It's unlikely the two groups will ever go head to head and in reality, BP is still getting paid a ton to basically be models.
If you want guaranteed success you may as well take the risk and try to debut with YG.
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Why do boy groups dance like this now? They all throw around their limbs like they've got no bones
having oily skin doesnt make his features average
YG new gg seems like a total bust after failing to manage either of their boygroups and whoring bp out to fashionweek frontrows.
the amount of solostans is to be expected with the way theyre promoted
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this post on her instagram was 1 day ago. i don't know if she edits her pictures to make her legs skinnier than they are though
I will agree that he used to be average, however in recent years their faces have changed so much that they no longer are attractive. That and under normal lights/camera you can see just how much foundation they cake on which isn't attractive.
Anyway, can you all move past the whole 'he's attractive how dare you say otherwise' thing?
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you might not personally be attracted to him but acting like he’s not above average is kind of insane, anon. i’ve probably never seen a man this good-looking irl
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what is going on in here?
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
we’re discussing kpop>>77060
Honestly I don't know what is going on with all those people who post things of the faves just for the sake of having people taking about them, there's clearly a lot of army and blink in this thread, same goes for the people who are so pressed about idols that they check everything they release at that point better call yourself a fan.
Being obsessed with everything do with celebrities is just plain dumb. I'm not talking about just checking once in a while situation of course.
This thread is so…Talking about bts is so boring I swear y'all need to just rename this shit "Bts General" because every thread they are the center of discussion. I get they just had a comeback but the anons sperging about how beautiful V is is unnecessary and tired. People posting irrelevant nitpicky nonsense is tired too. Like we get is Jimin has a ugly asf and is Skelly. Same goes for blackpink fans. It's the same stuff everyday.
Sage for obv reasons but I had to get it off my chest.
I kind of agree that the mv doesn't match the song that much. I think I would have preferred for them to go with something more like the style they had on the dance break without the hoods. I didn't really get that much of a religious vibe from it though. I saw what you say, but I just feel like they r trying to be artsy or something
I don't think I will bother watching it again though
endless metashitting is the most tiresome part of this general. if you’re bored of a topic, don’t engage with it and post about other things you’d prefer to talk about.
and not saying you did this because you didn’t, but other posts whining about ratmys and people talking about their faves don’t really have a place here anymore. this is kpg, not kpop critical. it says right at the top of the thread> This thread is no longer just the critical thread. So stop bitching if someone starts fangirling. This is now the general kpop thread as well, not your personal safespace
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BigHit officially released a statement canceling the 4 Seoul concerts that they were gonna have this April. It was only a matter of time, but still.
I wonder how many more they will have to cancel with countries banning flights from SK and what not? I am kind of somewhat annoyed that they added how many concert goers they expected to have. Was that really necessary?
>>76835>its not kpop critical
weren't the two threads MERGED aka we can say whatever we want kek?
bts look like botched trannies, please cure your mental illness soon
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>>77078>posts whining about ratmys and people talking about their faves don’t really have a place here anymore. this is kpg, not kpop critical. it says right at the top of the thread>This thread is no longer just the critical thread. So stop bitching if someone starts fangirling. This is now the general kpop thread as well, not your personal safespace>not your personal safespace
Same goes for you. Also, if you're so keen on quoting, don't leave out the 2nd part>At the same time don't get butthurt if the other farmers doesn't have the same opinion you do.
We can call your Oppars fug as much as we want too. Better than 98 percent my ass, do you live in bridge troll nation? Without money all of you'd call them incels. Rightfully lol
But despite their millions they still manage to look gross…
>>77097>Without money all of you'd call them incels. Rightfully lol
Parroting shitty male talking point, cringe.
No one care that you can't handle other people finding them attractive, stop sperging.
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>>77098>not thinking that this specimen is "in the 98th percentile for male attractiveness" means you're a jelly man
Sexist twinks with awful skin who already started balding as teens usually aren't really seen as peek handsome by anyone, you know…
cmon their skin isn't that bad lol
i see worse everyday most people dont have perfect skin
the “critical” people itt seem much more delusional and mentally ill than the “fangirls.” ranting about how v and jungkook are hideous plastic abominations that no one could ever possibly find attractive because they had a pimple once in 2015 and the only way you could like them is if you have terminal yellow fever is retarded and detached from reality.>>77083
i wondered about this when they announced an additional date. why would you sell tickets for an extra show when you’re about to cancel the seoul concerts and the virus is about to hit the US? i think it’s almost certain the american dates will get cancelled. i can’t imagine they’re going to allow huge gatherings of people in stadiums from april to june.
You can say whatever you feel like but people have the right to disagree with you, it’s that simple. No reason to get mad or defensive.
They wouldn’t be as popular as they are nor would they be considered as attractive if they weren’t famous, but that’s the case with like 90% of celebs.
Personally I don’t mind it if a guy isn’t perfect or has flawless skin and most girls I know don’t care either. A good body and a relatively handsome face will get you a long way.
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Above average Korean males are Kang Dongwon, Wonbin, Jang Donggun, Jung Woosung, Go Soo, Jo Insung and Lee Dongwook.
V has hella stage makeup, is like 5’9, and has idol styling. Take away all that and give him a average job. He would just be a nice looking Korean male at best.
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That gif is from 2014, I think he was 17 at that time. His skin is looking better lately.
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Are you older or something? I don't know who this dude is, but I wouldn't call him above average in any country of the world.
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Kang Dongwon is still the most famous movie actor in Korea, what do you mean “are you old” lmfao.
His features are indeed rare to see in a Korean though, he looks like he is Chinese imo.
Here’s a picture from his university days.
You won’t see a Korean man with a face and height like that everyday.https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/cha-eunwoo-kang-dong-won-face-visuals/https://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2016/01/enter-talk-im-in-awe-with-every.html
Basically Cha Eunwoo of his days.
you can’t just say take away being 5’9 and he’d be less attractive… duh but that’s his natural height. sure women would find him less attractive if he were a manlet but then he’d be a different person so it’s not a relevant point of contention.
also even without stage makeup and styling he’d still be above average in basically every country. where do you guys live that you can go outside and 4 out of 10 guys you encounter are better looking than v?
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Pure madness luv, you lot have to be out of your mind to call V above average but this man isn’t … get OUT
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Do you lot go out at all? Like are you surronded by fuglies all the time?
There’s tens of cute looking Asian guys I’ve met, Afghani, Filipino, Vietnamese etc. I’d say compare makeup less V to them and they’d stomp on him. Like …. Y’all are gassing him up cause he is a celebrity.
Minho literally stomped on him when they were in Hwarang together
this guy is also above average for the general population of men but i don’t really find him that handsome and definitely not more handsome than v.>>77136
v is mogging minho here though. i’ve never thought minho was that goodlooking to begin with anyway. but also he’s still above average for males. again, where do you live that most men look equally as or more attractive than these people?
>>77130>where do you guys live that you can go outside and 4 out of 10 guys you encounter are better looking than v?
not on the internet that's for damn sure
possible bait aside, some of yall anons need to get off your high horses about what celebrities yall find attractive. They're not going to notice you for you continued stanning. Why do you need others to validate your feelings.>>77076
i know another anon already answred you but don't forget, she broke/fractured her hip, she's gonna be gone for most, if not the whole year recovering.
How hard is it to believe that there are men better looking than V. Literally just go out
But I live in Europe, tons of good looking Asian dudes. Mostly Filipino or Afghani. South East or West Asian.
Nobody is debating attraction away, it’s just he isn’t above average in anyway. He’s just a handsome dude, not every good looking guy needs to be above average.
I do admit he is nice to look at though.
to me someone being handsome is already above average. if a guy is handsome then he’s better looking than most men. so i don’t follow this line of thinking. >>77144
i’m confused because they added an additional rose bowl date in the midst of all this. why do that unless they’re confident that they’re going to tour in the US? but from my perspective i just don’t see the tour happening here at all. no way will coronavirus have miraculously resolved itself before the tour dates begin.
eunwoo looks like a lizard
dont get the hype
hes not ugly but v looks much more natural than guys like taeyong and eunwoo and his darker skin makes him better looking imo
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So if a staff member is infected, that means there is a high chance of Chungha getting infected as well? And everybody overseas they were in contact with, airplane people etc.
Now I’m not mad she got yelled at during FW for spreading corona lmfao… wtf.
Then you’re just biased lol.
Get out of your bubble if you think V >>>>>>>> everybody else. Some of y’all need to get laid for real.
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The gag is, Cha Eunwoo is natural and V got work done :9
But I agree he be looking really weird nowadays, like almost constipated.
He needs to get back to how he used to look like, most preferably like during Gangnam Beuaty.
He looked fugly in his new Netflix series, he doesn’t fit the hanbok.(:9)
what is this argument lol, only virgins would find v attractive? by most idol standards he’s more tall/tan/masculine-looking, it’s really not that weird. also everyone is biased because attraction is subjective >>77155
idk much about this situation but you can remain asymptomatic for weeks and still spread the infection to other people during that time. so i wouldn’t blame someone for unknowingly spreading it. they might not have had any idea they were sick. the woman in california who tested positive hadn’t even traveled overseas and no one knows where she got it
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maybe he got some minor work done but i don’t think v looks like he’s had plastic surgery tbh. what do you think he did?
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Of course I'm biased, attraction is subjective, so…
This guys is not ugly, but he looks really scrawny and the lower part of his face is very small in a bad way, he looks weak.
V is not masculine cause he got a tan.
Wonder what that makes me as a dark skinned woman lololol.
He looks like a twink, that’s why some of y’all need to get laid for realz.
Not hating but he looks like a kid next to some people. Masculine guys in KPOP would be TOP, Taecyeon etc.
But like you and some other anons said everybody has their own taste but let’s not act as if he is oh so masculine and above average in looks. Beauty is subjective but he definitely isn’t more good looking than Cha Eunwoo. I don’t even like the dude and I admit he is far more good looking that my faves.
The staff member probably got infected by a local person that didn’t know they had the virus.
There’s a lot of cases in Italy right now.
Personally I don’t really find masculine guys that attractive, I’ve always had a thing for twinks. Compared to my beloved Timothee, V looks a bit rough dare I say?
Attraction is super subjective, that’s what this conversation proves.
The Astro guy is objectively handsome though, come on anons.
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i don’t think his tan skin is what makes him look more masculine. he has a broader frame, stronger jawline, more prominent brow ridge, thicker eyebrows, etc. than most male idols who look more fem. just compare him to jimin, jin, jungkook… all of whom look a lot more feminine. v gets styled feminine cause that’s the look they go for these days but if he were styled the way 2pm was i wouldn’t say he looks like a feminine twink>>77164
what’s scary to think about is how many people are walking around right now carrying the virus without any idea
That’s exactly what Italian scientists just said, it was around for a while.
Nobody is safe, no country.
Every agency does that with atleast one group.
Maybe except SM but now that I think about it TVXQ was a carbon copy of Hot.. yeah.
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i saw a ratmy call this buff… i feel like they have forgotten what actual muscular men look like
They all sound like shit tho esp V. Why does his voice always sound like a mix between an old, severely dehydrated man and someone who got a bag of dicks lodged in their throat.>>77180
Oh wtf his arm mirrors that of a underweight 12 yr old child.
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>>77154>Now I’m not mad she got yelled at during FW for spreading corona lmfao
He looks nothing like his old self, he slowly but surely got every single feature and his entire face shape redone.
So many ratmyfags here calling a twink like him tall, manly or even broad really makes me think you must be underage. Only little girls get excited because of the tiniest hint of muscle definition. He's always styled super feminine and looks like a little kid (with the face of an aunt) next to other korean men.
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Imagine thinking the one on the right is what grown men are supposed to look like. Everything about him and the rest of bts looks weird.
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Let's end this discussion once and for all. The left is supposed to be the average Korean male face. The right is V with no make up on. What is the consensus anons?
Obviously the anons weren’t comparing him to the average Korean male.
More like comparing his looks to other celebrities.
no, the first anon that hopped on the v is average train said this:> Absolutely nothing about his face is above average, I'm sorry for you, you must be surrounded by literal monsters.
implying that people you’re surrounded by in everyday life are better looking.
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Throwback to this picture
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he's been overfilled, his face is more angular naturally but koreans are so insistent on wanting baby faces that they've made his face fucking round despite him not particularly gaining weight (also peep his 5head)
Who cares, he’s fuckable and that’s all that counts.
Kylie Jenner is plastic as hell but nobody cares.
Why do you people care about which idol makes whom wet?
She wants his dick, end of story.
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V's face looks angular when he tilts his head down or more square/round
when he is looking up. the pic from 2014 his chin looks square
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pic from 2017 where his face looks angular.
he is not constantly getting ps to make his jaw angular or square
He's had obvious ear pinning and some fillers from time to time.
idk about his nose, it seems smaller in album photos nowadays but it could b photoshop.
this former gg idol cheska from loen was dishing all kind of tea on how she was bullied by her team and the company forcing her to get ps to debut, guilt tripping her to sign a contract when underage
also how idols get competitive over the smallest stuff.
really long threadhttps://twitter.com/candygirlsmp3/status/1233151687143108610?s=19
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i think nowadays he usually wears his hair over the top part of his ears so they look smaller
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v not fugly. case closed.
can we move on already
Exo got shit on because of that for a fairly long time (until ~2014/2015) but now with BTS and Twice being the top groups korean kpop fans can't really talk about that anymore lol I guess they just accept that nowadays everybody is useless.>>77206>nor should they
If an idol is ugly one shouldn't say it, if they had ps it's completely normal and a-okay, and if they can't sing for shit one also shouldn't care? How do you suggest we decide who gets to be an idol then?>>77242
Your general thread was literally dead before admin made the wonderful decision of merging them…
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Aside from that cursed V argument…
I predict Twice will disband in a couple years, due to a their concept having a short lifespan and members wilding out. Who has the potential as a solo?
yeah no one comes to mind
some of them probably have a shot at variety because they seem likable but im not familiar enough to point out one person
Ugh, not to nostalgiafag but I feel like it wasn't like this in the past. Idol groups are so boring now and I feel like before you could have ugly/average idols in groups who you still rooted for because they were talented or at least likable. Now it all seems like style over substance and it clearly shows when all groups (especially boy groups) look and sound literally the same.
Sorry that was unrelated to your point, but I had to sperg after being shown 4 different idol groups by my roommate and seeing them all go for that dark/sexy/dance concept and have weird small white puffy faces. I know it's always been looks over talent but now it just seems incredibly more so.
i think we can move on faster if we stop talking about it period. its okay if someone else thinks he's ugly v wont read this thread lmao>>77253
jihyo jeongyeon and nayeon will have the most 'success' with solo work since they are the only ones with any form of technique while singing but they'd all flop quickly. sana and momo could possibly do gravure work but momo is dating so thats out the window. and tzuyu could gain a personality and act as the cute ditsy love interest.
I kind of disagree because groups with somewhat "ugly" members like bts and bigbang/2ne1 mamamoo still end up being the most successful/"legendary"
exo was one of the last visual groups that has talent but sm been screwing them over for nct
i think the biggest problem is companies valuing quantity over quality and churning out new groups every year
This doesnt give them time to build an actual solid image and convince fans of their distinct personalities and 'it factor' since every group serves as a quick cash cow before making room for the next one.
The best way to attract kpoppies without putting to much effort into substance is by sending all their little ducklings to get botched before debut
the only thing ive been seeing recently is stans gushing about their nugu groups with "no visual holes" under pictures of bloated 17 yr olds with the same waxy skin and botox grins.
they will all age terribly and disband before they get to powerful to make demands.
This kinda reminds me of what Stellar went through to a certain degree.
I didn't watch all of it yet but really everything I heard her say and what I read in the thread is not surprising. This is another reason why I don't really resonate with kpop no more anyway.>>77253
Maybe Nayeon and I'm only saying that because shes real popular for some reason right?>>77265
>Now it all seems like style over substance and it clearly shows when all groups (especially boy groups) look and sound literally the same.
You're absolutely right. There's no flavor nowadays. It's all the same nonsense.
>>77266>idk, 2ne1 couldn’t really sing. t-ara couldn’t really sing. kara couldn’t really sing. groups like snsd that have legit vocal chops (among some members…) seem to be the exception not the rule.
But members of those groups back then still had some kind of individual success, they were much more known to the general public than the members of nowadays groups, also because of variety shows like you mentioned. Maybe instagram/youtube/vlive as an easy way to promote stopped companies from trying to push their idols on tv. I remember seeing an old snsd interview and they said they had to come up with a new "talent" every single week, so that later they seemed more interesting and memorable to the viewers. Of course the images were fake, but at least everybody was given some kind of role or "personality" to make them stand out.>>77271>i think the biggest problem is companies valuing quantity over quality and churning out new groups every year
This is pretty obvious. If you take dbsk for example, they matched so well, in looks, even height, everybody had a slightly different voice but they harmonized well, there was clearly put in a lot of time and effort to find and train them. God knows through how many trainees they went to find the "perfect" combination. Bad example, but Bigbang and especially GD was also an instant success. They choose the right debut song and everything else matched too.
Now you just have companies throwing in an odd number of members and copying already known concepts of other groups. Especially for gg they're getting more and more low effort because they think that uncle fans will buy shit no matter what, instead of trying to grant their idols somewhat longterm success.
Unrelated to BH but I'm pretty sure the "magic" of SM groups is all based upon Yoo Young-jin's songs. It's too bad that they've phased YYJ out in recent years bc Kenzie is responsible for pieces of garbage like Wolf, Obsession, RBB, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoo_Young-jinhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_written_by_Kenzie>>76940
Her English name should have been Sidney for Sid the Sloth.>>77080
The youngest member with the green hair looks like Wooseok. It's uncanny that they're from the same company, even moreso since he's far too young to have had plastic surgery.>>77193
I'm an old 2NE1 fan and unfortunately I think these trainees' vocals are more impressive than 3/4 of 2NE1's raw vocals (only Minzy coulg sing well by 2014), and 4/4 of BlackPink. Maybe you're new but YG has no regard for vocal technique and wants ~style~ with dangerous technique which is why Park Bom's voice deteriorated to shit.>>77200
Having visited Korea, V is good looking and unique by what I saw of the general populace of men there. However, he's not that great of a ~visual~ for a celebrity. He's just in the most famous group atm which is why he's so hyped; there's a dozen of nugu boy groups with a dude that's more attractive of any of the members of BTS. Same with Twice or Blackpink compared to other GGs.
The only exception I'd make is the PD groups because they have a variety of kids to choose from different agencies, and the audience generally chooses the best looking ones to debut. For instance, I think Izone is shit but Jang Wonyoung has freakishly perfect looks and the hype around her beauty is something I understand (but she's actually half Taiwanese, lmfao).
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It's crazy how much naturally better looking idols were back in the late 90s. Nowadays a face like this is only in dramas; I have to blame it on the market becoming oversaturated and plastic surgery becoming more advanced.
this is what the mods wanted, let them deal with it.>>77298
isn't this like the 3rd group jyp has tried to send overseas and failed? Not that Twice has failed yet, but I don't really them getting too big internationally…
how much money are they pulling in (above and under the table) to keep funding this mess
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Wonyoung might be super pretty but debuting somebody so young is just wrong. She's still gonna be attractive (likely much more so) once she's an adult.
Speaking of izone, to me they're probably the most mismatched group ever, they look so weird together, especially Wonyoung and that one tiny japanese girl stand out way too much. There's no way people who look so different could ever suit the same concept.>>77300
They're totally unsuccessful. But if you like Eunwoo you can try and watch his awful acting in dramas lol
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They sold 120k copies of their last album so they're not that nugu. Doesn't NCT 127 sell less?
On the topic of twice, mina looked so stiff in this fancam from last week. i wonder why she didnt just leave the group and brush up her skills for a japanese solo debut when their contract ends. theres no point in wasting her time being there if shes going to be stiff, be miserable, and lipsync >>77315
its not even the fact that they're newfags, they're just retarded. when i was new i used my common sense and put the youtube link next the word….youtube (crazy concept guys, i know)
Then why is Jimin not doing his best? I think the virus might be messing with their heads. They’re losing money and fans with how they handled the Seoul cancellations. Maybe they’re worried about their families too.
But you made a good point about JK wanting to do his best cause he wants to stay in the industry.
So far the US is not very affected by the virus, but travel to South Korea is currently on a Level 3 warning: only go if you must, re-think travel plans. Basically, they are kind of trying to close the door on Korea like some other countries are doing. If, and only if, that were to happen, before the concert date it would be kind of hard for them to get over here with their huge Korean crew and at least not face any sort of repercussion for it. Or at least that is what I think, honestly idk~ The thing is, before this announcement some people were saying "oh, they are just going to postpone the concert, they wouldn't cancel it!" but they did cancel it. I feel like anything could happen at this point
They were dumb to come back to korea to do irrelevant music shows. IU doesnt subject herself to this bafoonery, they should follow that.
Now they'll have to be at least quarantined before re-entering in the US. They might lose 14 working days for it. Dumb dumb dumb.
Yeah they don’t need music shows anymore
they’re BTSpop lol jk
And IU is still kpop no matter how hard she pushes for the coffeeshop ~artiste~ image. retarded fandom name and lightstick included in her idol packaging.
Neither BTS nor IU needs to promo on evening cable tv music shows to make bank tho. There are more profitable and efficient ways of catering to BTS' middle schoolers fans. That's just a fact.
Ofc it's about pleasing their fans, that's why anon said there are more efficient ways to do so; fans weren't even allowed into those music shows because of the virus. The hateboner makes some of you clinically retarded.
The shows were due in April and the situation is SK has been a shitstorm for a while. Big Hit money hunger ass also shouldn't have opened ticketing this week only to cancel it a couple days after.
They shouldn't have opened ticketing or should've waited until late march to see if the outbreak is stabilized.
What ways exactly? If they weren’t gonna come back at all, when their USA shows don’t start for two months, Kfans would be too upset to handle and I don’t think they wanna lose their most obsessed fan base. It’s a matter of principle for them to promote in Korea, even if the shows are without an audience.
Also, I’m concerned that USA might decide to cancel all massive events in the future for preventative reasons. That’s what European countries are doing now, even though the number of cases is very low in most of them.
So either way, they can’t know for sure what’s gonna happen within those two months.
They have multiple platforms to let their inner faggot out and showcase to fans. That's how they afforded not attending variety shows.
They probably just keep doing because there is some sort of quid pro quo scenario with the broadcasts, not because of fear of backlash from fans.
That’s why they go in the first place, but that’s the way it has been for years.
Staying in USA for months would be like saying “sorry, it’s too dangerous for us but you guys and our families can perish”. It’s not a good image.
Idk at this point. This era is a mess and the songs are weak af maybe it's better be done with it already.
It's just more embarrassing that they're wasting colossal US promo on it tho. Not sure if they'll have the same opportunity in the future.
It's a waste cuz aint them converting anybody into fans or making anyone buy their music with that shitty material. They're never repeating carpool karaoke or having another fallon special episode so it's a shame that they got this chance with their worst album in years.
You're right that they might actually not come up with anything better in the future tho, they just could at least try kek
I never said that kek the era as a whole stinks
But BWL was a better title bc the song is at least catchy. They also had that Ed Sheeran song which I personally hate with all my guts but know objectively that it's more radio friendly. They should've done a full eng version of it tho but they keep up with this faux korean pride.
Their first success was I Need U, which was emo but not preachy. Blood Sweat and Tears was kinda along the same lines as was Spring Day so I guess the Korean public likes music like that
Sound aside, the songs have to be catchy above all else - Fire was pure noise and still did well because people could dance to it. BWL is also pretty easy listening. This CB has no song that could draw casual audiences in, especially not casual Western audiences despite being packed with Western producers
I don’t know, I think on is much catchier and less stupid than bwl. Also I might be the only one that finds spring day a juvenile song. I originally thought it was one of their first.
To me mic drop was the catchier one and fake love was good too.
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He's a dancer and apparently a DJ? The company at least seems aware of his lack of looks as most of his photos have him in hats. Convenient.
Atleast he doesn’t look like he is struggling with being on stage, the rest of members sure did.
Watched them live on Kbs Music Bank this morning and the rest of the members facial expressions were terrible.
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Vixx Hongbin have landed himself into the hot water. Apparently he had a live stream where he was drunk and started shitting on SHINee's Everybody, insulted Red velvets Red flavour calling it too "idolish" , made a dig at Exo's wolf and said Infinites Be mine choreography was bad and would have beaten their choreography. Someone is gonna see himself out the door soon. I wonder how their company is gonna damage control this mess.https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/heres-everything-vixxs-hongbin-said-exo-red-velvet-in-drunk-livestream/
i didn't hear about the rest of the things, but the shinee thing was valid
. love shinee, but the clip he watched was a shitty mashup a fan made of everybody and a digimon opening. it sounded like two loud songs playing at the same time because that's exactly what it was.
samefag; the red velvet song is a fan remix too.
maybe part of him just wanted to nuke his idol career and get tf out. but now he won't be able to do much without like 7 separate fandoms going after him.
Wtf kpop fans love cancelling people over the dumbest shit and then they wonder why they commit suicide.
Dude said nothing bad, its not like he personally insulted them or something like that.
He just said that he didn't like the choreography/fanmade mashup of some songs.
Kpop fans please calm your tits.
no matter what you might say about them, i believe their chemistry is real no matter the amount of fan service that plays into it.
People being convinced that they secretly hate each other sound almost as delulu as hardcore shippers.
And i dont mean you specifically.
live nation ceo said a billion ppl hit their website the day tickets went on sale. Even with people using multiple devices thats insane
Also youtube did delete a huge amount of views for 'on'
(10 mil views in the first hour and then 35 mil in the next 22 hrs should make everyone wonder, they went from 48mil to 43mil right in front of my eyes) but im only a humble armybot so what do i know
>>i know you guys love to complain about the ratmys on this thread but its y'all that bring them up every single day. More ppl on here that complain about the hype than ppl actually hyping them.
on another note i wonder how the industry is dealing with the corona crisis internally, like if an idol gets infected irrational fans will be furious and blame the company lol
You know YouTube deletes bot views, right? Not just for BTS but other people as well? I thought army wanted organic Kings or w/e?>>77520
They did good. Hate em but meh. Def didn't sell out as quick in ATL some others, tho.
>>77524>live nation ceo said a billion ppl hit their website the day tickets went on sale. Even with people using multiple devices thats insane
How fucking gullible are you, honestly? Use a little common sense, mediaplay is usually ridiculous but claiming 1/7th of the world tried to buy BTS tickets… lmao that is next level bullshit. >>77517
Every popular idol group has loud fans who buy multiple copies of an album, the playing field is even and comparisons between groups are usually accurate (barring certain sales gimmicks). It's an accurate measure of fandom buying power if not the exact number of fans. "Popularity" can be a pretty meaningless metric because it's like, what's better - 1,000,000 people loving a song and streaming it for a few cents each, and getting good CF deals as a result? Or 100,000 people loving a group and spending big money on concert tickets and merch, for years and years? Different types of celebs will go for different forms of success because it's all about money in the end.
>>77541>100,000 people loving a group and spending big money on concert tickets and merch, for years and years?
In earlier days fans had to be really invested to support their favs. Dbsk's fanclub had close to a million members - which might sound quite little compared to the 20+ million followers that many nowadays idols get, but clicking the follow button on insta or twitter doesn't mean shit. Those fans might like or watch or even stream their stuff but other than that maybe never spend a single dollar on that group.
Rock bands sell shit these days, barely get any views or followers but they're still able to perform in front of 10000s of concert goers when they're in their 60s, kpop groups won't be able to do that. They also won't be making bank with beauty commercials once they're older. Having a good core fanbase and taking care of them, making sure they stay with you is the most important thing for an artist.
>>77559>even TVXQ is beginning to fade out
TVXQ are going to be able to play concerts in Japan for at least a few decades to come. Maybe not always dome tours, maybe Korea will forget about them entirely, but the concert going culture in Japan is so strong they likely will never struggle to get a profitable audience.
They really struck gold with Japan though, it's a unique market and not every group can rely on that. Some other SM boy groups might be able to, and Bigbang if they ever decide to tour there again, but for other idol groups it's harder to say. BTS's western fanbase will not have longevity because it's just not the culture here, kids will grow up or move onto the next big thing.
After hundreds of comments asking why he didn’t donate to his own home town he did.
Bet you half of these stars wouldn’t donate had netizens not put so much pressure on them.
i don't know who is we
I think Red Velvet has the most interesting discography, and the members have their unique charms (Wendy can sing, Irene is pretty, Joy is good on variety, Seulgi can dance, Yeri can be funny) but if you look at them as a group:
Mamamoo is better at singing
Gfriend/Twice are better at dancing
The only good 3rd gen girl group rapper is LE but almost all of them are better than Irene and Yeri
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who thought uploading these photos to the internet for millions of people to see was a good idea? he looks like a drunk aunt
are their fans blind or just pitying the ugly bastards at this point?
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I was just watching random group stuff interview comebacks when izone shows up , wtf happened to yuri? It looks like someone broke her nose.
Why is he doing that weird open mouth look
Also he looks 14 here
I'd maybe believe a billion clicks due to people refreshing pages, and clicking thru each screen as part of the checkout process…and I imagine many clicks from bloggers, news outlets etc keeping tabs on how many tix are being sold in what sections or whatever, so they can report on what's available to their readers? But no, 1/7 of the world's population did not access livenation on one day lmao.>>77609
This is literally the only place on the internet where it's safe to talk critically about kpop (at least without paragraphs and paragraphs of explanation, justification and "I don't mean to be negative or offend anyone BUT…" qualifiers, which get sooo tiring to read) You are free to access literally any one of those sites, but you have to come in here and derail the thread with this spergy fangirl nonsense? Mods, please do something.
If I had to choose, it'd be RV for sure. Their dancing isn't great, but their songs are better than most GGs.
And I actually don't hate Izone. They're much more entertaining to me than Twice and BP. They perform better than the latter two imo.
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did he get surgery to look like the guy who got surgery to look like him? love it when people appreciate their fans!
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Sowon is naturally thin, you can tell based on her proportions, height, head size etc. Her face/body are so unusual for SK it's pretty obvious why she got to be an idol w almost zero dance/vocal talent
Do some reading on the kibbe body system or similar..Rose has obviously forced her weight well under her set point, that's why she looks so unnatural. Predebut pic attached (tho I don't think anyone needs this photo to understand what I'm saying…it should be obvious unless you're 12 yrs old)
Also, slightly o/t and nobody asked but I agree with whoever said a while back they believe sowon and tzuyu both are taller than what's officially reported. Boy idol heights are skewed a bit high and girl idols skew a bit low but with these two it's really obvious to me?
I doubt this is true. Mina is the only Japanese member who hasn’t had any controversy regarding being Japanese.
On a related note, I feel like Japanese members of kpop groups must feel at least a little weird about the Korea-Japan relationship. I wonder if any of them have ever gotten hate from a group member.
RV is considered the SK Legendary group, only idol girl group to be invited to NK since Baby VOX.
Not exactly sure what makes Red Velvet special.
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In regards to mr removed videos they win over Twice and BP. Mamamoo might be better vocally but they're entire shtick is so different that you can't even really compare them. And none of the other, newer groups are really successful.>>77646
Kek I'm waiting for somebody to finally say this aloud, they totally resemble each other>>77648
All of them look cute here (although Lisa is quite skinny already), natural simply always wins. Also proves the theory that companies' favourites are always allowed to keep their hair dark while other members are forced into shitty hair colours.
I do believe that many female idols are a lot taller than they state. Sowon easily looks 5'10 (and also like those girls who are just naturally awfully skelly…no idea why they'd find that cute). Tzuyu also looks a lot larger, she even seems broader and heavier bonewise (e.g. her hips), I bet she has a hard time staying thin. Her body is more "western" than Somi's, she just looks like a bigger girl.
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oh the irony
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The top comment from an article that talked about Hara's brother
>TO HARA, JONGHYUN, SULLI AND THE PEOPLE WHO'VE ENDED THEIR LIVES:BE HAPPIER
How? They're all fucking dead. You don't feel anything when you're dead.
i'm sure everyone's sick of the "ree nct ugly" posts by now but god why does this sm group have worse visuals than stray kids
anyway this concept would have suited ten and lucas so well
I remembered reading this name before and turns out there was a pann article translated about him. Korean girls' ideal type really seems to be gay men, the comments calling him handsome underneath his videos get 1000s of likes.https://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2018/08/teen-stories-kids-i-seriously.html?m=1>Most of foreigner who react to kpop just do it so they can get subscribers and some quick cash >I searched up his Instagram and his selcas are no joke>He's just reacting in an oba way so he can get some quick cash. That's why I never watch foreigners' reaction videos>Looks like a lot of people went to follow him after seeing this post. He made an Insta story about it, so cute>>77697
I wonder if all these hated koreaboos actually really are as obsessed with Korea as they pretend to. Making cash by somewhat fitting their beauty standards (example: random asmr video getting flooded with korean comments because "handsome boy!") or reacting to videos by kissing idol ass is just too easy.
They legit look way better than Stray Kids, albeit not so good looking for an SM group.
But 7\9 in Stray Kids are below 174 cm, dont do that to NCT lol. Theyre annoying to look at but not that ugly to be considered worse looking than SKZ.
Those sites are simply always translating korean comments as closely as possible? No big deal. It only gets cringe if kboos copy that way of speech.>>77690
Nct are plastic, mediocre and underage looking but Stray Kids are shockingly ugly. Same for Ateez (that guy somebody keeps spamming…)
Thinking about it, there's hardly any group or male idol in general who's really attractive.