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Yes, definitely! I've gotten back into it recently as well.
I really like gory/depressing/psychological, so here's a few recs (some are cross-genre):
Lying Mii-kun and Broken Maa-chan>realistic yandere personality>results of abuse
Oyasumi Punpun>realistic romance/tragedy slice of life w main character changing form as his personality changes, starts as a bird doodle
Aku no Hana>romance/tragedy slice of life>mentally and emotionally unstable characters
Plant Doll(s)>like Petshop of horrors, but with doll-girls>good ends & bad ends
by Junji Ito
Another>more mystery than horror
Franken Fran>comedy/horror, lots of experiments and gore
Doubt>psych/horror>like Saw, but with rabbit heads
Litchi Hikari Club>boys, uniforms, gore
Ayu no Monogatari>slice of life/tragedy>each chapter +1 despair>has several spinoffs
Koizora>romance/tragedy>also watch the film if you're interested in a good cry
here's a great site for horror/psych stuff. → http://spiraphobia.tumblr.com/recommendations
I'm a robot so I'm not too sure If I can post in this thread or if its just sticking to the board itself.
Before I make my suggestions I'll say what I like and dislike, I usually enjoy things that are Seinen with good art, I don't really enjoy the other types of stuff like moe/sol/harems/school settings unless there's a unique twist, that all being said there are a couple popcorn manga I'm a sucker for.
Okay so my suggestions are.
>Alive the Final Evolution
Think of something a little akin to the tv show heroes, tragedy strikes and several people are given powers that change themselves and their personalities, this fellows a kid given powers but is somehow able to not be driven by them, art is decent enough and the story is nice as well if not a bit out there.
>those converse shoes
Actually decent enough art and a nice gradual increase in stakes as the story moves on, simple summary is people that die and revived and take part in a alien/monster hunting game to finally win enough points and escape. very good story besides the ending.
>If you grow attached to characters this may not be for you sad but cool times ahead
Basically a very slow burning zombie manga, it's not like highschool of the dead, it has very good art and great characters. I guess its slowly about how a failed manga artist with no drive in life takes back some control, bonus points it has the use of imageboard posts throughout discussing the downfall of society.
>also qt girl gets infected sees weird shit becomes super strong
>Onari master kurosawa
honestly stick with it, I guess you have to be a certain type of loser but this can strike a chord with you at times and quite feelsy, character growth is very well done and the story a bit silly helps it along.
>bully blonde girl is best girl
comfy as fuck, take a manga based in a dungeon and add cooking to it, nice art for food how to make monster meals and a little bit funny at times, comfy.
>makes me hungry
29 yr old losers hits his first of three moteki moments and decides to grasp at it before it disappears, basic character trying to better himself and score a gf, nice art and relateable characters
hard to explain, surreal art and nice scifi future setting, swap out drinking bars for psychic drugs and replace everything with VR, worth a look.
can't be assed to type more junk like berserk is amazing art and story, basically a medieval story that slowly turns low fantasy and grimdark
>griffith did nothing wrong
popcorn manga the two KamisamaNoIutoori
try not to get attached to the characters
I can rec some anime and films too if needed or any interest , junk like ghibli or mindgame for example
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I just started reading JoJo after binge-watching the anime last week. Not up to part 8 yet, but Jesus Christ, this shit is so good.
I used to be very into JJBA but I've taken a break. I just prefer to read the series in large sittings instead of a single chapter every month, especially because of the fights being multi-chapter.
I'm not the other anon but I've read some historical manga.
Rose of Versailles, Red River, From Eroica With Love, Emma
Poe no Ichizoku, Kaze to Ki no Uta, Heart of Thomas, Orpheus no Mado
>not really romance-y but very history
Innocent (love this one, it's like a super OTT seinen version of RoV!), Vinland Saga, Historie, Wolfsmund, Kingdom, Hishintan, Innocents Shounen Juujigun, Shoukoku no Altair, Souin Gyokusai seyo!/Onwards to Our Noble Deaths
same anon again
I forgot to add this, I use a site called mangasee for reading my manga its similar to mangafox but it allows you to view one chapter at a time rather than a single page, the only problem is that it may not have some mangas.
also another manga called
Maybe it's the shota inside of me but I really enjoyed this as well, the art is very beautiful and the story isn't too outlandish, mostly just a older woman meeting her husband to be and finding out hes younger than her.
the art is worth a look at the very least
remember to use mangaseehttp://mangasee.co/manga/?series=Otoyomegatari&chapter=1&index=1
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If you like Gantz you should try Oku's newest series Inuyashiki. pic related
It's still ongoing but I really like it, more so than Gantz tbh.http://myanimelist.net/manga/64465/Inuyashiki
We have similar tastes so you'd probably like it too, if you haven't read it already. The main antagonist fucks with people on image boards in a couple scenes lol.
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Yeah, I've been holding it off for a while but caught up today. Feels are too strong man ;_;
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Hey guys! >>4816 here, happy to see this thread gaining more posts. I've been trying out lots of different manga, here's some I can suggest from the horror genre.
Lighter Stuff (little to no violence; focus on characters' relationships):
Online: The Comic (ongoing)
>qt boys helping MC in a real survival horror PSP game
>heroine suffers from some amnesia
Gakkou Gurashi! (ongoing)
>survival; slice of life
>qt girls having qt friendships but also enduring mind-shattering moments and psychological suffering
Darker (prominent violence, gore):
Dead Tube (ongoing)
>corrupted niconico douga-like website hosts competitions for vids with the most views
>naturally leads to some really fucked up compositions
Dolls Fall (ongoing)
>qt orphan girls being rekt by supernatural beings and the 'matrons' of the academy
>made by the same author as Corpse Party
Harem End (completed; short)
>group of actresses play harem archetypes (loli, tsundere, ojousama, etc)
>they respond to women's requests to punish specific male targets
Fukushuu Kyoushitsu (ongoing)
>bullied girl takes revenge on every single one of her classmates
I guess that's all I'll list for now. I'll check out some of the suggestions in this thread too!
Side note: does anyone have an anime-planet account or hummingbird or something? While I like this thread, I wonder if there's a better way to swap and track others' recommendations and reading lists. I'm always hungry for new manga. I probably scan for new ones at least once a day.
No problem! Here's my anime-planet for anyone who has one, and/or would like to track shit I'm doing (kudos to you, lol.) http://www.anime-planet.com/users/koroette
I made a MyAnimeList before, but couldn't keep up with it…maybe I'll make another sometime.
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Thanks for the detailed recommendations. I just picked up Online: The Comic, Dead Tube, Harem End, and Fukushuu Kyoushitsu.
I use MyAnimeList to keep track of the manga I read. I don't know if Anime-Planet is used more often than MAL for manga, but MAL is popular enough and most people seem to have one.
Side question: Does anyone else go the extra mile to make reading manga extra special? I either put on suiting music or put the kettle on for tea. I like when the mood is set.
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She is too fucking cute.
I'd recommend reading
Shuzo Oshimi - Happiness, Flowers of Evil
Sui Ishida - Tokyo Ghoul
Junji Ito - Black Paradox
Kuraishi, Yuu - Apocalypse no toride
Masaya Hokazono - Freak Island (Very gory)
Saku Nonomura - Otonari Complex
I tried to get into inio asano work, can't find myself enjoying, it had to put down goodnight punpun since it made me very depressed.
>>3783>Sui Ishida - Tokyo Ghoul
Is the manga better than the anime?
I thought the first season started very strong, but as it went on it got harder for me to keep up with the characters, ignore the plot holes, and tire through fight scenes that I thought went on for way too long.
It felt very tasking.
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golden kamui is bestmango
YMMV I dropped it for the same reason anon >>3785
dropped the anime.
I found Happiness by Oshimi Shuzu straight after and it was everything I wanted Tokyo Ghoul to be except for the bullshit timeskip
so keep in mind I am not a fan of shonen bs
Have you noticed how much delicious fanservice in this series there is?
The sea otter soup anime episode aired last week and I was so giddy lmao.
The mangaka draws such perfect, muscular, hunky men. Complete with all the scaring and unique characteristics to each character.
Ugh I love Sugimoto.
(The plot and the Ainu culture are also fantastic of course, but I can't help but notice the comedic fanservice bits).
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For the most part if a manga was adapted into an anime, the original manga will be better. There are some exceptions but a lot of recent anime have pacing and animation issues.
My two favorite manga series, Dorohedoro and 7seeds, are getting anime and I am worried about the quality of the shows. 7seeds in particular has a really bad studio on it so people on 2ch were already making jokes about it, like saying “oh with gonzo, it’s dead on arrival” and “haha good luck gonzo”
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It's better, at least the first part. If cute boys suffering is your thing you'll love it.
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I read about the 7seeds anime announcement on twitter, but that's what it's going to look like? I'm disappointed.
But between that, Dorohedoro and Fruits Basket, it's nice to see older manga getting anime adaptations. I really want more shojo manga to have reboots like Fruits Basket will, because I was sick of seeing things like Otomen or Switch Girls getting a drama adaptation, or things like Peach Girl or Lovely Complex getting half-assed anime that weren't adapting the entire manga just like Fruits Basket. I also wish Gunnm could get a new anime instead of the shitty movie where Gally looks like a humanoid bug.
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trail of blood from shunzo oshimi is gripping and perfect for farmers who are into psycopathic familial relationships. i wish i had it all right now to read!
the way the expressions and drawing styles change precisely is so awesome to look at..
Shoujo manga are sometimes adapted into live action instead of anime.
Too bad about Cat Street, I really want to see an anime for that but it got a live action drama instead.
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nooo why does this look so shitty when the manga is awesome..
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My absolute favorite is the Bride's Story
Genre:comedy, romance, Seinen, slice of life, drama, history
The story has more than one protagonist and Brides. The main bride of the manga is Amir and we start with her story. They all generally take place in Central Asia in the 19th.
I absolutely love the atmosphere of this manga and the attention to details and the brilliant designs. Reminds me of my past and my culture (we share similar cultures after all) and the setting feels so nostalgic to my childhood. The story and relationships are so captivating and made me root for all of them. It is a heartwarming manga and I would definitely recommend it to: history enthusiasts, romance lovers, and those who enjoy the fine arts and a good story as well.
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Anyone liked Otome Youkai Zakuro?
> It's the Meiji Era in a slightly alternate Japan, and the Gregorian calendar has just come into effect. The fox-eared girls living in the youkai part of town are about to be put to work together with a delegation of young human soldiers, to promote interracial understanding. So what will happen when Zakuro's strong personality collides with human sensibilities?
Action Comedy Drama Fantasy Historical Romance Seinen Supernatural
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My dear anons, I was reading this manga called The Blue Eyes Of Horus and I just fell in love with the captivating story. Unfortunately, only 12 chapters are translated and I feel like dying because I want to read more.
So I'm asking for recommendations of a similar manga: historical drama with a female lead, set in anywhere in the world except for Japan and Korea (already had enough ) full of drama and suspense (doesn't have to include romance, just want something exciting)
I have already read most of the popular historical manga, I just want something new like this one.
Anatolia Story comes to mind right away. But it's such a classic that I think you probably read it already.
Scarlet Palace is about China.
and Emma are both really good historical shoujos but they're not action packed. They might also be too socially aware and not exactly a light wish-fulfillment read.
Have you read Claymore? It's a fantasy shounen but I still like it.
I haven't read Scarlet Palace so I will definitely check it out! >>3812
No problem, I really hope so. It hasn't been updated for 3 months
I would recommend Orpheus no Mado by Riyoko Ikeda - it's set in early 20th century Germany and revolutionary Russia - but scanlations are slow as fuck.
Savage Garden by Hyeon-Sook Lee in 19th century England is okay too.
Madame Petit is really nice, has a bit of a retro vibe to it. Main heroine is Japanese, but it's set in 1920s Europe.
If you're okay with Chinese stories too, I would recommend Chang Ge Xing, which is abslutely great, but it's been on hiatus for some time now because of some beef between the author and publisher.
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I wish I could talk to my friends about Yankee Boy and Otaku Girl without them giving me the side eyes lol. I swear it's really fucking hilarious and doesn't have an actual pedophilia. The little boy's crush on the lady is so adorable and funny. Hopefully the author isn't one of those fucked up mangakas that try to write a romance with a literal child (I shudder everytime I remember Usagi Drops) >>3814
Thank you for the recommendations anon, I read Madame Petit for the past 2 days and really enjoyed it. Reminded me of Waltz Wa Shiroi Dress De, but I liked the characters in Madame Petit better.
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I love that manga, it's so funny, but I'm not optimistic about the ending. Too many shotacon jokes, and an actually adult man shotcon character, for me to believe the author won't go with pedo ending.
On a similar manga, I've been reading Watashi no Shounen and while so far it's great, with good characters, the adult woman actually acting like a grown up about the boy crush on her, I'm super worried it WILL end up the Usagi Drop way. Like damn, even if they became a couple only after he turns 18 it's just creepy to have parental figures turning into romance/unintentional grooming.
Let's hope for the best anon.
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Can anyone recommend some top tier Josei? I'm kind of graduating from shoujo tropes but they'll always have a speshul place in my heart.
Right now I'm reading They Say I Was Born a King's Daughter. It's pretty good so far and makes you wonder wtf is happening and wtf is going to happen. The story isn't typical which is such a breath of fresh air.
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Haru No Noroi is a really good josei manga and pretty short,too.
The main character is dating her dead younger sister's fiance to try to sort out her unrequited love she had for her sister.
Really heavy psychological plot without being too dramatic imo.
Also Cheese in the Trap is totally different from any josei I've read.
It's realistic and relatable and even has suspense/thriller themes when the mc has to outsmart a persistent and unstable stalker
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Alright this is gonna take a while, please be patient with me (sorry if there are so many spelling mistakes too)
1- "Shall We Have Dinner Tonight"
I know, it's a webtoon not a manga, but you seriously have to give it a try if you love Josei, food, and romance! It's about two strangers with many past broken relationships, bonding over food. They talk about their past relationships, how they ended, and what aspects of their personality that affected their relationships negatively.
I honestly don't read Josei a lot because it bores me, but this one made me so engaged with the story and the relationship developments of the 2 main characters.
2- "Mizutama Puzzle"
Short and sweet romantic story of an older female and younger male. The male works at a restuarant and faces so much pressure from his boss. Same with the female who is an office lady that always gets yelled at by her boss. They always see each other at the train but never talk, well, untill something happens.
I really like this story because of how short and straight forward it is. Great for a light read and when you need your fix of romance.
3-"Evyione: Ocean Fantasy"
This is shoujo not a josei, but I thought it reminded of so many josei manga I read in the past. A merman (who is the king of some land in the sea) falls in love with a human princess. Instead of bringing the princess down to live with him in the sea kingdom as a corpse, he goes to the human world giving up his form and powers. In exchange, he becomes mute and cannot talk to any human. It is a retale of the "Little Mermaid" but much darker, and with gender swap. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone who is sensitive to sexual topics such as rape and the like. This is not a light story at all, but I love the element of the fairy tale in it.
4- "Her Shim-Cheong"
Yeah this is a yuri josei, and while I don't read yuri at all, this one caught my attention. It's a story about a begger and the wife of a powerful minister, and the relationship they both have.
This story grabbed my attention for the inside politics of old Korea. I like plots centered around politics and who takes the power in the royal palace. Also the relationship between the girls is kinda intriguing. I think even if you are not a lesbian or yuri lover, you would still enjoy the story.
I left this for last because I honestly don't remember anything from it? I have read it years ago but I remember liking it (maybe). I know that this a cult classic, so I thought I would put it here, just in case you might like it.
Is it ok to just list the top classics that everyone loves?
These are all so famous and well known in the manga community but in case you're new, here we go:
Ashita no Ou-sama
Kimi wa Pet
Bokura no Kiseki
Honey & Clover
Paradise Kiss is my personal favorite among these. 7 seeds was also mentioned earlier in the thread.
New to josei since she specifically said she was just graduating from shoujo. She also said "top tier" instead of "underrated" or "not well known".
I mean these are probably too obvious but you never know!
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I just got into Killing Stalking, a Korean manga (Manhwa). It's about this guy who is obsessed with a seemingly all-around perfect good looking guy, and he decides to break into his house one day. To the stalker's dismay, he founds out his crush is a serial killer and is kidnapped by his crush. The story follows what happens during throughout their dynamic and the stalker develops Stockholm syndrome.
At first I was so engaged with the comic because of its smart use of psychological themes, but then I got a bit disappointed with how it became a bit too much of Yaoi fulfillment. But maybe I'm interpreting the sex scenes wrong. If any anons have read this, would love to know what you guys think or if you guys have any other recommendations (this was my introduction to BL/Yaoi/horror thriller and I really like it so far).
yeah I kind of just read it as smut now, so I guess it has that going for it.
to give it some credit, the woman hating in the comic is intentional from the mommy issues and what not
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Sorry for blogpost but I need to vent a bit.
I'm really starting to dislike the webtoon "I Love Yoo", I had such high hopes for it when it first started. I liked the female main character for being an "unconventional" protagonist. However, after 88 chapters, there's 0 character development, no relationships development or some sort of romance (seriously why is this labeled as romance???) It feels like a self insert harem fest at this point.
I hate how the author completely forgets ALL the other female characters too, and only show them as a plot device to serve in building Shin-Ae's bland character. I also don't get how every guy in this comic wants to fuck the main female character so baaad when she doesn't have: a character to begin with, the looks, intelligence at least??? Money? Power? Anything?
We are not given any reason as to why every handsome rich guy want to be with and around her. There's no chemistry between the characters at all for me to ship them at least.
God!! I'm genuinely frustrated because I really liked the story and the art at the beginning. Seeing it go down the harem hell makes me sad for the lost potentials.
Good artists are not often good writers. They're two different skills that have nothing to do with each other. Too bad, there should really be more collaboration.
That's why the best mangas are often adaptations.
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I only discovered this today but it's weirdly enough funny despite the gangster gap moe gag
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Gokushufudou: The Way of the House Husband
I really liked Haru No Noroi, so thank you for the rec! It reminded me of some of Banana Yoshimoto's short stories, in case you're interested in stories with a similar vibe.
Are there any more manga like this, with that kind of psychological, sincere feeling? I feel like most times someone suggests a psychological, death-related manga, it's usually macabre, but I liked the atmosphere of this one - it's really "genuine," idk another way to put it, with an optimistic ending, I'd say. It's down-to-earth, I guess.
On another note, are there more manga with doting, lovey-dovey guys? I was looking at shoujo but I realized I feel too old for most of its tropes now, and most of the guys are jerks or just aloof…
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Anyone read Sensei no Shiroi Uso https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=102313
I like the drama but get a strong femcel vibe from it.
> Popular women are slutty manipulators> Popular men are rapists> Popular women have bad sex lives because their husbands secretly desire other women
Just read the last three tl chapters out of curiosity and it seems pretty cool actually>rapist has pregnant wife>decides to kill himself because rapist scum>mother of his child stops his suicide attempt and orders him to stay alive and take responsibility for being a fucker>turns himself for being a rapist after calling a taxi for the in-labor mother of his child
I have no idea how this development came to be but the ex-popular-girl wife seems like a badass mother and it looks like justice will be served so I'm not so sure it's a female incel story.
I read it but I really hate this manga. >ch8>rape guy goes drinking>goes and follows a girl into the bathroom>other people only say "haha good ol rape guy, just can't help raping those virgins" and do nothing>rapes girl>girl is now in love with him
I hate every single one of the characters in that manga.
The other people didn't know he was a rapist.
Did you read just up to there or beyond? Reviews say it gets better but…>>3850
Also forgot to mention fat girl gets bf stolen by stacey.
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>>3857>The other people didn't know he was a rapist.
Didn't they though? I thought this page implied they knew what was going on, plus his friend should have known he was married.
I still read it, am up to date with all the chapters and it is still pretty terrible.
author married Inio Asano, bet they are a fun couple to hang out with
Glad I didn't read it, I was kinda curious but I haven't had good experiences with Inio Asano langa so when I found out this manga was made by his wife I skipped it
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His male friend was confused about how he got her, he didn't know he assaulted her.
> I still read it, am up to date with all the chapters and it is still pretty terrible.
Aww OK, I'm going to lower my expectations then as I continue.
Asano himself said in an interview that he made Punpun only to create shock and to be as edgy as possible.
I'd say it can be very interesting artistically and has some fun plots, it's low key misogynistic even though the female mangaka character is pretty cool from what I remember, but then again I read it when I was an edgy teen.
For his works I think his latest is actually the most interesting: Dead Demons Destruction
It's a sol/syfy where he actually draws the darn backgrounds for once instead of using filtered photos and most of the characters are female.
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Interested what other anons have to say about this, my memory of Punpun is fuzzy but I remember there is some physical/sexual
abuse towards female characters.
I like Solanin better, it's more palatable than Punpun imo
Punpun is only more fun because of the imagery but it's a rough read.
There are depictions of violence against women and most male characters have some awful dealings with female characters. Although I think it is obvious these men are meant to be shitty regardless (and so are many of the women).
As for Asano, there is one of his works (Umibe no Onnanoko) that features excessive scenes of young teens having sex. Take that as you will.
Still personally love Punpun and some of his other manga though.
>>3864>Asano himself said in an interview that he made Punpun only to create shock and to be as edgy as possible.
Not that anon but I had no idea!
I looked up another interview and Asano also mentions that Punpun is supposed to be a dirtbag:Punpun is too serious, therefore has a hard time communicating. He is also awkward and kind of annoying."Goodnight Punpun" is about Punpun meeting various people through the series and how he starts to understand his “true self.” Punpun is his own individual, so there is no need for the reader to always agree with or understand Punpun's thoughts and actions. I myself do not believe Punpun is a “good person” as typically defined by society, but by creating a main character that, from an entertainment standpoint, would never be cast as a main character, I wanted to show readers that people like him exist.
OK read a bit more, up to chapter 33 now. Thanks for not spoiling me. Apparently the female acquaintance knew. I'm so confused, is the girl there Ayaka? Her best friend just let her get raped?
Reading the other posts about PunPun this definitely sounds like something written by someone that would be his wife. It's a similar edgy wackiness. (though I only read about 10 chapters of punpun before dropping it out of boredom though I really liked Solain) The characters aren't convincing, they all have some sort of extreme drama / mental issue. The self insert main character is a pedo. Why?
However the pacing is really fast and things happen quickly and it's engaging. It's entertaining for that reason though it's as you said, all the characters are written in the most edgy way possible and I hate them all.
Finished c48 latest scans.>>3851
I can finally look at this. While she did look cool at the moment she still stood by the rapist, the whole thing is more convoluted than that.
The drama got so tiresome at the end. The men have way too high EQ. I've never seen men that introspective and aware of people's feelings. The femcel feel stopped midway but then restarted after the pedo arc with the student, especially with misakana. It really feels like a revenge on the popular kids type of story.
That being said it was still an enjoyable soap and I half heartedly recommend it.
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I rec Otto no chimpo ga hairanai.
As the title says the protagonist is unable to get penetrated by her bf because of some sexual trauma she had earlier in her life. It's a josei with explicit sex scenes but they are all in good taste so far and it has a very interesting indie vibe. https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-100341255
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I've been really craving to read something like Mizukami's manga. Really loved Sengoku Youko after the protagonist swap. I like the simple but still unique stories and characters.
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Just started reading Somali to Mori no Kamisama and:
>World full of non-humans, where nearly all humans got hunted down
>A child gets found by a golem
>Decides to go search for child's parents
>Golem is at the end of it's life, having 1-2years left to live
Pretty good world concept and background drawings. Currently at the end of Vol.1, but will keep reading for sure.
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Korean webtoons are basically manga too right?
I just finished Que Sera: https://mangakakalot.com/manga/que_sera_sera
> Single-motherhood, 30s characters, romance, drama.
While reading it it felt really generic but after finishing it I'm hit by the usual sadness of having to leave these fictional people. Really liked it.
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Since I didn't meant to bump the thread without content I want to ask: did anyone else have issues with Otoyomegatari (Bride's Story)?
It seemed so intriguing at first and as a whole it s better than not but Amir and Karluk are so boring. The start is pretty slow and I read it mostly for the educational content, its interesting to see a culture so rarely depicted get some spotlight. Every other bride throughout the story (like Pariya or the twins) is interesting but Amir and Karluk drag the story down.
Thanks for reminding me that this manga exists. I'm like a dozen chapters behind but i agree that the main couple is the least exciting one.
I don't remember then as boring though, it's just that their story seemed like a bit more complex than the other couples. It was less about the plot twists and bubbly feelings and more about their personal journey and self growth and stuff. Especially for the boy.
I really like this author.
If I had to detail why I didn't like Amir and Karluk as much it mainly comes down to Amir. She doesn't really have any flaws. In the context of her environment she might be a bit odd but to the modern day reader all of her oddities are positive attributes. And one of the more salient points of conflict, the age gap between her and Karluk ends up amounting to nothing when she ends up falling for him romantically. Karluk definitely develops and is forced to grow up and that is interesting but the reasoning for their odd arrangement is never really explained and Amir never really seems to have a problem with it outside of a few failed attempts to seduce him.
Not to say I dislike it, but Amir and Karluk just aren't my favorites compared to the other Brides.
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I started re-reading Yowamushi Pedal recently and I still love this series. I've only read a bit past the end of the first interhigh and I hate that it kind of degrades into shounen battle scribbles but the first 27 volumes are a great standalone sports story.
One thing I also really like about it is that the protag is very shy and awkward but all the characters are friendly to him, even the villains. I wasn't sure if it was a self insertion thing but the mangaka originally made the MC a girl and I'm guessing carried the personality over when the editor told him it had to be a boy MC>>3862
To me a lot of his manga have the same buildup and execution, so I became kind of disinterested after reading a few. I read his interview after Punpun and it felt like he was admitting that he was tired of writing the same stories over and over, too. Haven't read Dedede but at least it sounds different.
Also some of his stories are pretty gross with how kids are treated by adults and family figures.
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Reading Initial D. I love Takumi, although I kind of wish he'd lose a race for once.
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I am in fucking pain because I fell in love with the Amane Gymnasium manga by Usumaru Furuya (one of my fave manga authors ever) and only one chapter got scanlated.
If it gets published or fantranslated, I would highly recommend it to farmers, especially if they are dollfags! It's about a young women who works shitty office job just to be able to live the BJD maker life. Stuff happens and her set of OC dolls inspired by Moto Hagio's oldschool BL manga come to life. The art is great and I love all the characters (from what little I've read). It's such a mature take on a concept that seems very childish (tried to play an otome with same premise and couldn't stop cringing).
I also loved 51 Ways to Save Her by the same author, though it deals with heavy stuff as it's about collapse of society after tsunami hits Japan hard. Sexual violence against women is portrayed, though not in a titillating manner and with psychological gravity (not to mention the women eventually manage to fight the pigs back).
Furuya is so underrated, his seinen comics are one of the best.
i've too much time on my hands, you can name most genres and i can pull five titles/authors up for ya in a heartbeat, no probs.
also the document i have is indexed, so it has a table of content, headers, alphabetized after author name, with alternate titles and categories in genres, so like yuri, yaoi, shounen, seinen, shoujo, josei, horror and then whatever at the end and some of them are highligted as they're the ones i enjoyed or have re-read a lot of times.
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I have just finished a reread of Video Girl Ai (I've first read the manga over 10 years ago) and I am shocked how well it holds up, or maybe how much the shonen harem romance genre has declined.
All of the characters are portrayed in a realistic and sympathetic manner. Everyone acts like normal teenagers (maybe just slightly older than 16 years old, but it depends on the person). There is no dreaded 'catty females fighting over a guy' plot. The heroines support each other, sometimes even to a point of emotional masochism. Attempted sexual assault is shown to have long-term psychological consequences for the victim and her loved ones (the attempted rapists get trashed as well). There is no pedo bait whatsoever (I realize that it's a low bar to clear…).The author is comfortable showing female characters as actual human beings with emotions and bodily functions (in fact, the short sequel manga deals with a different protagonist learning out that girls are human beings first and has a slight anti virgin/whore subplot). I was pleasantly surprised by the scene in pic related. What other harem romance dares to mention oily hair?
This is ecchi, so closeups of panties are to be expected, but they are not as many or as forced as in current manga. All of the characters could be developed more, as we don’t know much about their family or hobbies, but it’s a problem with both the girls and the protagonist’s Chad best friend.
You also have to deal with the protagonist being unable to decide between two girls, but it's shown in a psychologically believable way and therefore wasn't annoyingbto me personally.
If you are looking for some ~based and pinkpilled~ manga, obviously this ain't it… but if you like straight male-centered romance (as I do, cause the female love interests are more relatable to me than a protagonist of a reverse harem), this is one of the best. I love that while the characters represent some types (the tomboy and the perfect cute girl), they don't act like retarded cliches. Seems like Katsura based his characters on people and not manga archetypes.
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Are you me, anon? I fell in love with Video Girl Ai when it was originally being released by Viz in Shounen Jump. Part of me always thought I looked back on it through rose-colored lenses, but it really is a fantastic romance with great characters. Even with Katsura's faults, his style and story-telling are really mature and his characterization should be something many aspire to.
I also appreciate his ability to showcase more than romantic love within the series. You see plenty of characters display love in the context of friendship and how people mistake love for something else and vice versa…It's really well rounded.
tl;dr great taste, fellow farmer.
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It's been finished since a lot of years and the author made another manga if you really like her art/writing style… (I was too sad to read it so I can't recall the name lmao)
Warning: lot of confusion and sadness.
I cried a lot.
(Picture related; my favorite character in the manga ;;)
I really need to reread this. I like how her art slowly found its own 'voice', it's interesting to see the style and designs go from typical 2000-ish goth/punk to what I'd call more shoujo-y and historically influenced - compare Xerxes Break's clothes and his name to a later character like Oswald.
Are you talking about Vanitas no Carte? How is it? I swore off pirating it because I wanted to spend the money legitimately but that just made me put it off indefinitely…
Seems like it that Ai Yazawa has started working again! It has been 10 years since she started her hiatus.
She released few new pages in 2013. This year she re-released her old series with brand new material.
I hope this means that she is well enough to continue working with Nana, too.
Nana had huge impact on me when I was a teenager. It sounds kinda stupid but I feel like part of me can’t grow up before Nana is finished.
I try to not get my hopes up. In the past ten years there has been positive news every once in a while and every one of them has given me hope that Nana will continue.https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-08-06/nana-creator-ai-yazawa-tenshi-nanka-ja-nai-manga-gets-reorganized-version/.149772
Omg that's great news!! I really hope she'll finish Nana. I was always curious about what kind of illness she had that prevented her from doing so for so many years.
Paradise kiss and nana remain my favourite anime/manga ever, they have shaped me as a person more than I'll admit lol
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Different anon but if you're still checking this thread I personally like vanitas no carte. It updates about once a month and you can read the chapters on Amazon. They're $1.99 per chapter. Vanitas to me is a dick but a loveable one. It's not as popular as Pandora Hearts was but I think it might be because you have to pay to read VnC. I kinda like how she draws Vanitas more than Pandora Hearts but Pandora still has a soft spot in my heart.
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give dungeon meshi a fucking anime already
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Just saw on twitter that this manga subscription site has licensed Terra E and I'm soooooooooooo excited to reread it! The first time I read it, it was with fan translations so I'm excited to read it with more, uh, professional translations.
I don't remember the women in it being a survivor of csa but maybe you are looking for "Watashi no shounen"?
Actually, never mind. I think I remember the manga you are referencing, but can't remember it's title. Wasn't the female protagonist in that one a teacher or something? There was also another women 'Stacey' character that ended up getting pregnant from the MC ex-bf that was abusive
? and some 'all men are rapists' rhetoric thrown in the mix?
I am losing my shit because I know the exact seinen manga you are talking about, but I can't remember the title and I can't find it! I was sure it was by Oshimi Shuzoo or Inio Asano but it's not. Guess I will waste what's left of my night trying to find it
OK, I got it!!! It's right here in this thread >>3850
The title is Sensei no Shiroi Uso.
Not sure if this is the same manga anon's looking for though…
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ntayrt but this is the manga anon was looking for in case anyone else is interested >>>/ot/484223
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I wasn't sure if I wanted to share, but eh for the sake of discussion… It's called the domestic yapoo from the 1970s. There was a more recent re-adaptation in the 2000s that is untranslated.https://mangadex.org/title/20569/the-domestic-yapoo
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Started reading Litchi Hikari Club 2-3 days ago and I must admit that I really, really love it and it's been an enjoyable ride so far.
I knew it's a horror manga, but never expected it to be this gory. (And also sad imo.)) Wish there were more volumes out, this entire manga was a roller coaster of emotions. The way everyone's drawn (and their lips especially) is a solid 10/10 in my world and the gore is top notch so if anyone likes gory, horror mangas then feel free to read this.
It's also kinda Nazi Germany themed (the Author himself said that it's written in a world where the Nazis have won WW2), but it doesn't really focus on it except for a few things here and there. There are also two rape scenes.
Especially the scene at the end with everyone's dead, gutted bodies floating in the water with Kanon singing "I pray that God feels pity for them." in the background legit made me start sobbing. Just thinking about Tamiya, Dafu and Kaneda's three wishes at the end of the Bokura no Hikari club volume is quick to bring tears into my eyes. The trio (and Raizou) are definitely my favorite characters. When they had Litchi snap Kaneda's spine in half, it was probably one of the worst scenes ever and when I found out that Jaibo put him on some drugs to keep him paralyzed and quiet, I was literally livid. Also HATED the way Nico went from this cute, hardworking boy who was happy to make friends to a brainless follower of Zera who never questioned that faggot once.
Zera and Jaibo fucked up so much, man. I really want to hate Jaibo, but he's too pretty and cute. He definitely deserved that head slam tho. All hail Litchi for giving me the satisfaction of that.
I know this is a fetish manga, but it honestly reads more like a bizarre horror, sometimes dipping into very black comedy. The stuff about body modification and turning the "yapoos" into completely dehumanized creatures, on top of them seeing humans (or at least humans of the dominating race) as gods reminded me of Shinsekai Yori, though SSY doesn't have the weird racial stuff, or the bodily fluid obsession. God, I hope this shit wasn't an inspiration. That was a very good anime.
Even more than the racism (which is off-putting in itself), it's insane to me how much thought was put into even the most putrid and/or minute details. There are multiple walls of text dedicated to how this twisted society handles offal alone, for fuck's sake. So much scat and urophilia. The living furniture made of rearranged flesh from multiple bodies is pretty horrifying, too. Reading this makes me want to turn vegan, not own any pets, and fully subscribe to atheism.
I kind of hope the author of this died alone and never bred. Whatever mistake happens in your brain to make you imagine the content of this story shouldn't risk being spread.
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Omg that looks fucking hilarious.
I've never liked japanese tv shows but this looks hilarious. Fingers crossed they make a full series of it.
So many great recommendations in this thread! I'll add Nekodamari to the list.
It's labeled an ecchi and seinen but from the few chapters out (10) but it feels more like a josei.
It's about the cats of an office worker, their daily lives and how they interact with the main character (who feels really relatable as well in the few times we engage in her story.)
I explained it really bad but it's just a cute comfy manga about an office worker and her spoiled cats.
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Oshimi is a great mangaka if your a fan of the psychological genre, my favorite being Happiness and Boku Wa Mari No Naka (Mari being my favorite of the two because while reading you're unsure if what's going on is supernatural or if the MC is just crazy.)
I know it's a really popular manga at the moment but incase no one's heard of it, Beastars is one of the best manga out there right now.
Best way to describe it is a realistic, darker Zootopia.
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Just finished Drifting Classroom by Kazuo Umezu. I really enjoyed it, though it could get pretty outlandish at times and you gotta suspend your disbelief.
The fact that so many children survived in a desolate wasteland is lol. AND performing surgery with rudimentary tools and no pain medicine? AND surviving the black plague?!
I love stories about apocalypses, though, and things that turn into a typical Lord of Flies situation. I'd recommend Dragon Head for that, too
>>72246>manga literally about an earthquake causing time travel>gotta suspend your disbelief
Not sure if I can recommend anything you haven't already read anon, but here's a few;
Apocalypse no Toride/Fort of Apocalypse
Meteor (basic plot is similar to dragon head)
I am a Hero (live action movie adaptation is surprisingly good but author shoves in a bunch of his gross personal fetishes)
Sprite (ongoing, haven't read it in a couple years so honestly can't say if it's good or not)
Metro Survive (not really apocalypse but basically if the first part of dragon head was the entire story)
Girls' Last Tour (very chill, personal favorite)
The whole recent pandemic of shounen survival manga has some apocalyptic elements if you can stand to read shit like "uhhh….giant flying goldfish/children's toys/animals with human faces…..and they eat people"
Ha, fair enough. For some reason I'm able to stomach magical elements like time travel but still get confused about children overcoming their physical limits.
Out of that list, I've only read Apocalypse no Toride, so thanks for the recs! Last night I started Kanojo wo Mamoru 51 no Houhou, so I'll check out your list after I finish that.
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Lately, I've just been trying to find some humorous, feel good, manga. I've been reading this series called Nyankees, a mixture of the words Yankees and Nyan. The story is about gang shit, but everyone is actually a cat! It's such a funny concept, I love it.
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I found this pic with links to each manga (in reddit comments).
Lots of shoujo isekai I've never heard of before. It's nice to find something that isn't a recycled shounen ecchi harem series, although some of the listed manga are kinda trite as well.
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Right now I'm reading Kusuriya no Hitorigoto and I really like it. It's about a girl working in the imperial court who studies medicine and solves mysteries. It's really cute and funny, plus the art is great. >>73248
Thanks anon. I like to make fun of dudes who watch isekai, but shoujo isekai makes me kind of understand the appeal.
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Do you anons read Korean webcomics?
Ever since I read "The Moon That Rises In Day" I have been obsessed with Korean webcomics. I like how they write romance more, since it's more direct and passionate. If you have anything similar to these I listed, please recommend.
My current favorites are:
"Que Sera Sera"
I personally don't like older women/younger men romances, but this one made me not care at all and root for their relationship. Even other relationships around them.
"A Good Day to be a Dog"
The title sounds stupid, but this comic, by far, is my favorite out of everything in the list. The romance development is very exciting and beautiful. Also because this is my favorite author and I like their writing.
It talks about this cursed girl whose family members turn into dogs at night. To break the curse, she needs to kiss someone she loves and loves her back. She crushes on one of her coworkers (they're teachers btw) and this coworker's friend kinda hate her to death. You get the gist. Of course, one night, everything change.
I'm just starting to read this one, but I absolutely love the art style and concept, don't know about the romance though but I like the characters themselves.
In this world, devils work like corporations.This devil no.4 needs to have a contract with this girl who lost everything and at the lowest point of her life. He can give her anything she wants, at the cost of her soul…
I underestimate this one because of the simple art style and silly concept. But holy shit the character's development is so goood I had to add it here.
The female protagonist boyfriend dumped her, which causes her to have the "invisibility" illness. This illness affects heartbroken people and make them completely disappear and die just like that. She clings to her boyfriend and begs him to stay with her in the most desperate ways, but he completely shuts her down because she is so clingy and over-affectionate throughout their whole relationship. While she was harassing her ex-boyfriend to stay, she meets another guy who have the same illness and they decided to work it out together. However, their personalities completely clashes and there's absolutely no hope in their relationship…
Korean webtoons are mostly trash. The art is lazy and sloppy af, most of it being digitally done just highlights this. I hate the layout with excessive white spaces and little to no background. >>74474>nobody really reads manga anymore
Lol in what world?
Now and Then, Here and There (a series about the effects of almost all water on earth being dried up) was my first anime I ever watched that wasn't One Piece.
Imagine my surprise when 10 year old me in the 00s found out that not all anime were that gripping and interesting and that anime fans preferred shows about cute girls doing cute things.
Even more recent stuff about the world ending is just so stupid and brain-numbing that I just can't get into it (not to mention so many current shows out of Japan is just the same show but with a different setting. Maybe I shouldn't say that when I want more of the same as well lol)
I don't mean to sound pretentious or anything because I respect creating art that other people enjoy even if I don't. I just saw this post and was like YES, this is why I don't like anime nowadays and whenever I saw that dozens of neckbeards on other forums try to recommend me stuff and it's all the same shit.
Rest in pieces, dead genres. You didn't deserve this.
>>74803>please save my earth
I never read this one but from the same mangaka I loved Mirai no Utena. It's hard to explain the story because it's only 11 volumes long but a lot is going on. It's about reincarnations and time travel. If any of you have the opportunity to read it somehow then do it. I never managed to find scans though, I read the French translated volumes in a public library a very long time ago.
And speaking of CLAMP, I grew up reading some of their manga (CCS when the manga was abrely concluded, clamp detective school, etc.) but I never read X/1999 because I wanted it to be over before starting, but we all know how that went. I've been told the anime adaptation has a proper ending, did anyone watch it? Is it good?
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Mr Villians Day off temporarily soothes my depression. Gib moe demon bf.
If I remember right you get your pick of two different endings, one for the anime and one for the movie. I wouldn't really call either ending good though.
Off topic but man, I used to love Clamp but now I can't even keep up with what's on hiatus and what's been straight-up cancelled, which wouldn't be such an issue if stuff like xxxHolic Rei and TWC weren't literally just plot twists and cliffhangers. Got some false hope when their 30th anniversary website went up but seems like they're still just doing Clear Card and random merch. At this rate at least one of them's going to be dead before they get anywhere close to wrapping up their multiverse stories.
Of my God, I love this series anon (even mentioned it in the anime critical thread)!
I wish that it was not completely forgotten. Such a hardbreaking story.
I don't know how it was in the other countries, but here in the 90's and early 00's manga (and anime) was loved by fans for offering relatively mature stories in cartoon packaging. It was very common for the early fans to shill manga/anime for having insane depth in comparison to american comics and Disney movies (lol). The early fans were also watching some moe series, but they were a rather niche interest. Basing your life philosophy on Japanese doodles has always been cringe, but at least in the past people had more reason to do that. I miss manga/anime that are written like normal stories and not some bizzare storm of medium specific retarded tropes. I love older series for that reason. I feel like it's very rare nowadays that something not retarded gets made in the first place and becomes popular enough to get an anime. >>74838>>74846
Yeah the anime and movie have different endings. The movie is beautiful but dumb (literally just a bunch of fights thrown together), I would watch it after experiencing manga and/or the TV series as it can still spoil some plot points.
I watched the TV series as a young teen and loved it, I think it's relatively good and the ending is okay. Probably not as good as what Clamp had in mind, but fitting the story. The manga is amazing though and worth reading even though it will drive you insane how there is no ending lol.
I wish I could get into newish Clamp works, but for some reason they don't grab my attention. The latest thing I enjoyed by them was Chobits. I adore their 90's stuff though.
I can't believe that I forgot about Clover, it's the fucking best and the story is sort of concluded (there was another volume or two planned, but the story seems complete as it is TBH). It also is a dark/psychological shoujo with some violence thrown in.
I can't believe that the Clamp ladies are old, it seems to me like they always were around and they always will be! Apparently the X ending has been already written and drawn but there were issues with a publisher. So maybe we can get it someday, even if Clamp is no more. At least I hope so.
By good I meant "well-written" for context, I'm not sure if you're saying it's not very well-written or if it's a sad ending. And for some reason I thought there was an anime, and the movie was just concluding the story kind of like with Evangelion. I'll check it out in any case, I think I'll start with the manga first though if possible.>>74856
About how CLAMP isn't grabbing your attention anymore I feel like that's the general public's opinion about them too. The only comments I see about them nowadays is either>when will [literally whatever series] have an ending?>can they stop with the crossovers already?>is [whatever series] a direct sequel of [another series] or a soft reboot?
They were so insanely popular in the 2000s too, I never really noticed until recently how they're not really all that popular anymore.
>>74884>By good I meant "well-written" for context, I'm not sure if you're saying it's not very well-written or if it's a sad ending.
Sorry if I wasn't clear! I meant that the ending is fine, but not amazing. Both the movie and the anime present 2 different, plausible conclusions to the story. The thing is, I believe that Clamp had a third option in mind.
The manga is the best and the most fun, tho anime follows it very closely. If you prefer anime, you can watch it first. Just don't start with the movie. You might also want to read Tokyo Babylon first as it introduces two major characters and another one that is important to the story.
BTW here is a link to a cool tumblr full of X meta, including discussion of a possible ending! Best read after enjoying either TV series or the manga of X.https://seishirosakurazuka.tumblr.com/post/144494388871/meta-masterpost
I wish I could enjoy their newer series but something makes them very boring to me. I can't even get through the first few pages. Something about the writing seems stiff to me. Any time I reread something from their old body of work, I fall in love all over again (even if some of their content is problematic
. Good thing I never got into CCS lmfao).
Yeah, I meant sad. I honestly haven't watched either though, just read the manga and then read summaries of both endings, so I can't comment on the writing. My fav couple ends tragically in manga, anime, and movie but I guess that's what happens to side characters.>>74856>>74884
90s and 00s were Clamp's golden years. Tokyo Babylon, X, CCS, Chobits, and to a lesser extent Kobato and Tsubasa were all very popular, mostly mainstream series.
But Kobato (2005-2011) is the last 'new' series they did. Since then there's been Gate 7, which was abandoned after 4 volumes, and a bunch of reboots/sequels. Drug & Drop made it two volumes, Rei and TWC lasted a bit longer but then both were dropped so they could focus on Clear Card and it's anime adaptation.
So, for the last decade they haven't really been making anything 'new' at all, and they've not been able to keep up any of the sequels/reboots they've been doing. It feels like the only reason CCS Clear Card didn't also get abandoned is that it was probably a pretty good moneymaker, though I don't actually know what wider reception to the anime has been. Sequels are fine but I think they pushed themselves too far with the whole "95% of our works are connected and you have to read them all to understand everything" and now they've dug themselves into a hole and can't continue anything.
I could never get into Kobato. I liked the first chapter but I think the local scanlations stopped so I forgot about it for a long time. Now I'm not even sure where I should start reading it. It's a mess.
Tsubasa is Kingdom Heart tier bullshit TBH.
>>74951>Tsubasa is Kingdom Heart tier bullshit TBH
I never tried reading it since it's a crossover and I wasn't up to date with everything CLAMP published but I noticed since it exists that it attracted the same audience as KH, maybe that's not a coincidence.>>74885>>74886
Alright, I watched the first episode of X (so the TV show instead of the movie) and I feel like I should read Tokyo Babylon first so I'm starting with that and then I'll go back to X (either the anime or the manga first, idk yet) I'll have enough free time and motivation the next few weeks to read a lot of things so I'll try to read as many CLAMP stuff as possible and I was thinking about finally being up to date with Kaori Yuki's manga too. I'm in the mood for shojo manga nowadays.
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Stop it, you almost make me want to read Tsubasa.
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Has anyone read Reiraku/Downfall by Asano Inio?
I've always loved his works because of umibe and punpun but reading reiraku made me realize how much of a narc he is. The more you read the more you realize the manga is just an autobiography.
MC is a mangaka, his wife is in the same industry, the MC's office/house is literally Asano's office/house. Following this logic he goes on to cheat on his wife with a possible loli??? I haven't had anyone to discuss this with so maybe I'm being retarded
Welcome to hell, anon. Imagine that the ending has already been completed and someone has already seen it.
You may now watch the anime and movie and pretend that one of those endings is how the manga would end. Or you can make your own.
What are your fave characters from TB/X?
If you want more vintage Clamp feels, I highly recommend Clover (apparently it also was never finished, but you can't tell from the story) - IMHO it has the most wonderful art in all of Clamp's manga or RG Veda if you would like to read a proto-X with an actual ending.
Shirahime Syo is a wonderful oneshot as well.
That's the cutest thing, I appreciate that you wanted to save us all from this hell
I actually forgot about the cliffhanger and had wanted to re-read it recently, good thing I read this thread and remembered not to reopen that wound
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"The Lies of Sheriff Evans: dead or love" is such a charming manga.
It is kinda refreshing for some weird reason? The characters are so lovable even though they're all losers. I kinda of like the humor, it doesn't even bother me when it repeats itself again and again.
Anything similar to it?
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Ending almost redeemed how bad it got. Hopefully Kaito might do an extra chapter or illustration for the book release.
how the fuck does the ending redeem ANYTHING?
I'm all for LGBT content but it really seemed like his best friend was toxic
pushed him into a relationship. He made his family and his best friend worry by moving away/quitting school because "oh no he don't like me". It was overly dramatic and manipulative, and in the end it worked.
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Anyone else reading Sono Bisque Doll wa Koi wo Suru? I like it a lot despite myself lol; if you're especially tolerant of ecchi bullshit i recommend giving it a read, the main couple is quite wholesome and the author has definitely done their research wrt cosplay. Also it's crazy how much more enjoyable these kinds of romcoms are when the main guy has a personality and goals
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Thanks for the recommendation! this is right up my alley.
Lately I'm very into funny, lighthearted mangas with shojo hints. I'm also trying to get into the isekai genre, but it's heavily male oriented so it's been hard finding something I actually enjoy.
I'm currently following 3 mangas. "Tensei Shite Yandere Kouryaku Yaishou Kyara to Shujuukankei ni Natta Kekka" is about a girl who is reborn as the rival character in a yandere game, so she is trying to avoid getting killed by the yandere characters. The other one is "Otome Game no Hametsu Flag shika Nai Akuyaku Reijou ni Tensei shiteshimatta", which is basically the same idea (I think it recently got an anime adaptation), however while the first one is a bit darker, the second one is mostly comedic and focuses on the main character being a lovable idiot. Both are fun reads if you're looking to just have a good laugh and not a deep, interesting story.
Last one is The Girl from the Other Side: Siúil, A Rún. It's kind of a dark fairytale, it gave me very heavy ancient magus bride vibes but without the romance.
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I don't even like yaoi much but I stumbled upon Boku no Mama chan (43) Kaihatsu Nikki. And I don't really have much about this but it's literally some wet dream of Freeman and Cumberbatch shipper. It's weird.
I wonder if manga authors do something like that a lot. (Baestars sounds like Zootopia fanfic to me, too)
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Anyone here read Kimi Wa Petto? I don't read manga much but I want to read similar stuff/more Josei so if anyone has any recs that would be great.
>>88953>Ascendance of a bookworm
Bibliophile girl isekai'd into being poor and sick. Decides to print her own damn books. What a legend.
Maybe check out some otome isekai titles. The MC usually uses wit and diplomacy to deal with her situations instead of cheats.
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"My broken mariko". It's short, only 4 chapters, but will make you cry like a baby. Awesome art too.
The author also did Paradise Kiss which is fashion focused and lovely if you enjoy her art style.
She also worked on Princess Ai which you should absolutely never read unless you want to read Courtney Love's mary sue princess-angel-rockstar self insert whine.
Have you read Mars? It doesn't have the fashion but also is a more mature shoujo manga.>>90196
She only contributed a single drawing to Princess Ai, I think. Personally I have a soft spot for it but the protagonist is a total Mary Sue, won't deny it. It's also never been finished (the sequel is missing a final volume, I think). I read it as a teen, so IDK if I would still like it if I read it now for the first time (I enjoyed my reread a few months ago though!). It's trashy fun.
I mean I guess, but what I found kind of unique about it is that it follows the friend and not the girl who committed suicide (and in fact doesn’t show the suicide at all). I thought it was a really intense look at the aftermath of an unexpected suicide but managed to do it with a certain lightness and humor to it.
I also really appreciate that it’s not all male-gazey and that it shows a really close friendship between two women. I especially like how much of a gross mess the female MC is at times, cause you don’t see that sort of “unflattering” portrayal of a normal woman much in manga.
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Just read it and agree with this take. Also the scene where the old men in the bar are all trying to talk to the main character is so fucking accurate. Funny too
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Okay so this might come across as autistic nitpick but its something I can't stand about beaststars
The author really tries to put most herbivores as the weak animals without really trying to explore the potential herbivores have with some of them being super strong. Take Louis, a fully grown male stag will never be taken down by a single wolf(i mean, wolves are not particularly that big except very few). A full grown Stag is actually 6 times heavier, The Author also often has fucked up biology in this, i mean panda being carnivores, and lions being apex makes no sense with animals like tigers existing, what is even more dumb is bears getting S.R.D (strength reduction Drug) so they don't go berserk, and also considering how tigers hunt and eat bears, but they don't get S.R.D
Biggest fuck up i saw was seeing a hippo in carnivore lock down, against a herbivore. . . A HIPPO does not even EAT meat, damnit.
Its one of few things that take the fun out of animal kingdom ideology of the series
Pandas can and do sometimes eat meat, and they have the digestive system of a carnivore, which is why they need to eat so much bamboo. If they were biologically fully herbivorous they'd be better at digesting plant matter and wouldn't need to be constantly eating and shitting bamboo.
Also, lions are apex predators irl. Apex just means at the top of the food chain of a specific environment, which they are. It doesn't mean "lions are the strongest and would beat anyone in a fight". Lions are apex predators, and so are tigers, and eagles, and killer whales. It's kind of meaningless in the context of the series where all animals live together rather than being split into different environments, but it's not wrong to say lions are apex predators. They're just one of many.
As for the drug, idk it's been a while since I've read it but I got the impression that it was given to all extremely large predators and not just bears over 2m. There's a lot of world-building stuff that doesn't get fully explored in the series.>tigers hunt and eat bears
lmao anon idk what your boner for tigers is but you know there are different kinds of bears, right? Tigers are not out regularly hunting down adult grizzlies, and even when they do it's not a guaranteed win.
>a fully grown male stag will never be taken down by a single wolf
This is kind of another "tigers kill bears" thing. They can and do, but that doesn't mean it's common or normal. A solo wolf hunting a large herbivore can be successful, but it would take a long time and wouldn't be worth the effort. That's why they hunt in packs in the first place.
But, again, all kind of meaningless when you're talking about a fistfight between anthropomorphic cartoon animals whose biology literally can't match the real world. Like, you have an issue with the food chain stuff but you're okay with the fact they all have hands, and reptiles and mammals can produce viable offspring? Lmao chill out and lower your expectations, anon. It's just a shounen manga. Maybe watch some national geographic while you're at it so you can at least be accurate if you're going to nitpick.
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Hippos eat meat when they are low on Iron but they aren't carnivore hunters in the traditional sense>>95076>But, again, all kind of meaningless when you're talking about a fistfight between anthropomorphic cartoon animals whose biology literally can't match the real world. Like, you have an issue with the food chain stuff but you're okay with the fact they all have hands, and reptiles and mammals can produce viable offspring? Lmao chill out and lower your expectations, anon. It's just a shounen manga. Maybe watch some national geographic while you're at it so you can at least be accurate if you're going to nitpick.
My issue is that all herbivores are portrayed as weak and frail for no reason and that the only way for a herbivore to match a carnivore is with a gun, I mean fucking zootopia did this better by showing larger herbivores being a match for carnivores
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I can't believe but I actually found it and I'm literally so dumb, because there are a lot of things to remember in this manga and I remembered only the kiss
It's Kamisama no Iutoori Ni
Thanks for sharing your find
Glad you found what you were looking for
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Same anon, I agree so hard. Kishimoto wanted to develop Sakura more as well, his editors just told him not to. In my honest opinion most of them are fine up until the end chapters, I know everyone hates Sakura but she's my favourite.
Hey, I like her too!
Judging by the amount of Sakura-centric fics I came upon, she has a dedicated fanbase among girls, it's mostly scrots who keep bashing her.
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I was talking about most of the female cast, they all had so much potential
Never liked any female character in this series. I don't know what it is with shounen male mangakas, but how can they manage to write such a shit cast of female characters alongside complex, deep male characters?
yeah we know you're ignorant about women, but just write them normally like how you would write a male character?? They are humans too not just a pair of boobs and asses.
Wow, it's almost as though Naruto is overrated garbage!
I get having an attachment to the series because of nostalgia; it was a lot of peoples' first anime. People need to stop defending it, though. Naruto is basically a bunch of manga tropes repurposed into one story, and everything it does, some other manga does better.
For instance, Sasuke's backstory is a shameless ripoff of Kurapika's from Hunter x Hunter. I understand that Kishimoto imitates Togashi out of love for his work, but it's really fucking irritating when people act like Togashi is the one who copied Kishimoto. This problem wouldn't exist if Kishimoto was a less derivative writer.
And for anyone about to say Naruto came first: the thing that come out in 1997 was a one-shot. The actual series of Naruto started a year after Hunter x Hunter.
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Can we talk about Shimura Takako?
I love how she handled trans issues in wandering son, and binged the rest of her work and I'm not sure what to say?
Her work initially came off as posi LGBT content but I had to stop reading when one of her stories alluded to a man jerking off a kid. is wandering son just a fetish fantasy wtf
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an anon posted a panel from this manga on the panels thread.I ended up reading it and I liked it.any other-preferably short-manga about depression like this kek
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I'm looking for a josei or seinen manga with angst and romance and hopefully not something related to fashion. WLW preferred but I can go hetero as well, just no MLM. I've scanned through recommendations both from this thread and the girly manga thread already so looking for some fresh recs.
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Gunjou seems like it could be right up your alley.
Plot: "The story of a woman who asks the lesbian who is in love with her to kill her husband and their life on the road after the deed is done."
I know there are a small group of diehard fans for this manga. The angst level was actually so high that it turned me off of it, but if angst is your thing, you might love it.
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The premise sounds interesting and I wanna give it a try but what on earth is this art style omfg
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So pissed that I got into this shit again knowing I should never start reading an unfinished series. The art is gorgeous and I want to keep reading but I've caught up on all chapters and I can't stand the ideao of waiting months for new content till it ends. I'm a clown.
It's called "Where The Shooting Star Falls, Wait There" (yup, retarded title)https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=150170
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Skip to loafer is super comfy and down to eath, it's not finished yet though.https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=150148
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is anyone reading bouquet for an ugly girl? it's about a, well, ugly girl who becomes friends with the most popular guy in her class. she has a crush on him and he seems to like her too but she's overly aware of her below average looks (compared to her classmates) so she's constantly jumping to conclusions and thinking that he must hate her or something. i think it's really funny and heartwarming, and the misunderstandings aren't as annoying as they are in other shoujo manga.
I love it, Fujimoto is a genius their works are the best.
RIP my boy Aki, I just want him to stop suffering. FUTURE IS BEST!
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not gonna lie, i actually hate Chainsawman, i didn't like most of the characters + MC is annoying. but damn: it's making me sad
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HAIKYUU IS OVER FFFFUUUUUUUUUCCKKKKKKKK
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I'm so sad and happy at the same time.
It was the only manga I've ever bothered to keep up with.
I think it’s really good!! It sort of wraps up everything nicely while still keeping to it’s ultimate message. There’s a timeskip but it’s satisfying to see their growth, rather than feeling like a cheap “oh theyre older now ok the end” sort of cop out. I loved seeing everyone’s successes and failures, and how there’s never really an antagonist- everyone’s working towards the same goal. It’s a very fulfilling series, I highly recommend reading it all!! >>99760
GOD I WANT TO CRY BUT IM AT WORK
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Is re-reading Nana considered self harm? It should be!!!
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I'm now on chapter 42 of my Nana re-read and I wish Hachi aborted that stupid baby and moved on with her damn life instead of playing house with Takumi WORST BOY but that's just not how she is. I get it but she makes me so upset. My memory is pretty fuzzy on what goes down beyond this point in the manga so should be fun re-reading the coming chapters.
I don't understand why Ai Yazawa doesn't just give us closure and do an epilogue at the very least. She has been ok health-wise for a while now it seems…
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It's hard to relate to Hachi in that series of events imo but she said something like
>Nana O. was MIA, Nobu failed to show up for a while (he came to the apartment to meet them after some hesitation) but Takumi was there and firm. Hachi just wanted someone who is unquestionably there for her and pushed everyone else away to pursue that sort of stability.
This was brought up between chapter 42 and 53, not sure exactly when but she ends up talking to Nobu finally and she admits to herself that it wasn't to spare anyone's feelings but rather to keep herself comfortable.
Man I forgot how fragile Nana O. becomes about midway. The panic attacks
and constant crying… kind of pathetic. Maybe an unpopular Nana opinion but Ren is a piece of shit imo and his death
was probably a good thing in the long run. If Nana survives it, which she seems to have since the narration is retroactive, she'll be a stronger person eventually. RenXNana is dysfunctional as fuck. Also the flashforward bits seem to signal that Nana K. would end up with Nobu if Ai Yazawa got around to finishing the series.
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Abou Yazawa already being somewhat healthy, she is working on redrawing her old series to warm up to drawing again, apparently she spent so much time without drawing that her art quality kinda went downhill, so if she did anything Nana related it would most likely look like shit.
Tenshi Nanka no Jai already got published with updated artwork.
I remember she had some event IRL related to remake of this manga that still got delayed because of her health.
Talking about Nana… Am I the only one who can't seem to stand Hachi (Nana Komatsu) now? Ive been reading it again after many years and even though back when i was little I loved Hachi, now I couldnt even finish chapters because of her sometimes. Shame that i still love her character design, but personality is definitely not my cup of tea.
Found this thread pretty amusing, she points out a lot of the same stuff I thought as I read the manga.>>100919
Eh, at this point the fans would accept a less than perfectly drawn Nana over nothing. Imo she's got some GRRM shit going on, seems like she's avoiding ending her story because she's worried about it being received poorly due to its content.>>101016
Ok sorry about this fucking essay but
I hated Hachi as a kid and now I like her a little bit more. Her irrational behavior is frustrating but nearly every character in Nana is irrational and messy. Her marriage of convenience to Takumi made absolutely no sense to me as a kid and at my current age I understand that a bit better. I still wouldn't have kept the baby and married that abusive
asshole if I were her but I kinda get it. Hachi is a spoiled person who takes the easy road, or the road people in her immediate vicinity expects her to take. She's weak-willed like that, but I appreciate that she knows
that she is that way and learns to make slightly healthier choices as the story progresses. Towards the end I think you do see Hachi grow a as a person, she is able to put others first and doesn't let Takumi completely control her. She does become more cynical towards her own love life but still Hachi's arguably the more positively evolved Nana of the two. Nana O's arc is a complete downward spiral.
The tragedy of Nana the manga, rather than Hachi's disappointing marriage, comes from the two bands and their shitty members who can't do the right thing for themselves at any point. Yasu is arguably the only exception to this. Nana O. starts as this magnetic person you think is independent (because you see her through Hachi's perspective) but turns out she is overcompensating for how scared she is of loneliness (once you see Nana's own perspective as well as her bandmates). Her "strong personality" reveals itself to be a flimsy front for her desire to control those around her. That is the true reason for Nana's rivalvry with Reira as well. The latter is able to inspire the loyalty of pretty much anyone around her including Nana's own supposed soulmate Ren. I don't think Nana has that big of a passion to sing really, it's all about "proving herself" so people will do as she says and she can force them to be with her. Nobu is probably the first character to tell Nana to fuck off with her controlling behavior and arguably the only character who is able to break free from Nana's script fully.
Funnily enough, if Nana came straight to Apartment 707 and told Hachi to stay with her instead of being a coward, Hachi would have booted Takumi when the babygate thing went down. Nana's true soulmate (Hachi) slips through her fingers because she can't get herself to tell her what to do like she used to. Perhaps the way she learned to let Hachi be her own person (in the worst possible time to let her do that too tbh lol) is Nana O's one character growth for the better. It does end up triggering
panic attacks for the rest of her life and becomes the catalyst for her ultimate downfall but hey, she did do a non-toxic
thing for her best friend, technically??
Not sure why Yasu never regrets introducing Nana to Ren. It clearly ruined her life, but everyone seems to think it is some incredible romance. Then again, this manga has a way of not letting its characters realize things are shitty. It even has literally everyone cheering a pedophile on, yikes.
How did everyone here start rereading Nana at the same time I did? Lmao
It's a great manga in the beginning but I feel like the plot gets too messy around the last 20 chapters. Too many new characters get introduced, it keeps jumping to future then back to present often for seemingly no reason, everyone is still messed up on a downwards spiral and…
>It even has literally everyone cheering a pedophile on, yikes.
Yeah what the fuck up is with that. Shin is only 13-14 iirc and sells his body to old women (and men) and everyone is like "uh…not good but oh well". Even Hachi, who is supposed to be a mother figure and had a good upbringing, is like "Well Shin don't prostitute yourself TOO OFTEN mmmkay?"
I understand that at the beginning they might not be able to do much to stop it, but I dislike how as the story goes on it becomes something "normal". His romance with Layla the pedo is sickening and then he gets thrown to jail for weed possesion and everyone is like "welp". Poor kid. At least Layla fucks off to Takumi but the kid has already groomed :/.
I like Nana O.'s development as a character. She is on a downward spiral and her character flaws are apparent but if we assume that manga is going to get finished one day, I think her development could be really good. She seemed a little too great in the beginning (along with her romance with Ren) and I am glad that illusion got shattered.
I believe the manga does paint a realistic picture of how messed up people are in entertainment industry (or those involved with them). Going from various insecurities, egoism, "success no matter what" mentality, need for acceptance and really messed up stuff like pedophilia, it shows how fucked up it all can get.
I stopped reading around when they had those winter (?) camps. The one Hinata went to uninvited. Those were the latest chapters, but I stopped reading. I am not good at keeping up with the new chapters of manga, so it just sort of happened. I might go back to finish reading it now that is over. I did see the last chapter and was definitely not expecting Hanger to become Argentinian
lol. I did get a little emotional though, so I am sure I will enjoy the ending more once I actually know what the heck was going on.
I really don't get why Yazawa introduced a million fanclub members with their own subplots. So much screentime is wasted to show their boring conversations. And then there's Junko and her guy discussing old news over and over, which I ordinarily wouldn't mind but the manga ends up sidelining the two titular Nanas in favor of a bunch of side characters. The two women barely get "screentime" and that sucks.
Oh yeah, I like her arc a lot despite it being a negative one. I didn't mean to come across as though I dislike her. I just feel very, very sad for her.
Also its extremely frustrating that not a single soul in the manga is able to recognize a toxic
dynamic. Every single character is seen supporting a shitty relationship, whiteknighting an abuser/cheater, encouraging co-dependent behavior etc. It's odd that more level-headed characters like Yasu, Miu, Shin, etc. are also participating in extremely irrational ways of thinking when it comes to these relationships. They're only willing to half-assedly call Takumi out, and even then they usually ignore his dickishness. Maybe it's a Japanese thing to not have criticisms of people's relationships but these are already pretty blunt people with no sense of boundaries.
One thing I find exhausting about Josei manga in general is that they're irrational despite showing "realistic" grit. They depict human tragedies and hardships pretty candidly but the way the characters behave can get way too dramatic and it ends up hurting the story especially if the story is a long one like Nana. Nana's premise is great and there is a lot to love about it but the execution is strange to say the least.
Why the fuck is nobody pointing out how retarded like 80% of the relationships in Nana are? Why is nobody criticizing anyone?
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felt it was more on-topic here
I’m reading Nana for the first time right now, but I haven’t fully finished so I don’t have as many deep insights on the characters as other anons, but since we’re talking about Nana can I just ask-
What drug is Ren addicted to? I know they mentioned he did cocaine once(?), but most of the time he’s seen smoking so I assume it’s weed since it’s also mentioned that he smokes weed as well? I had to laugh in that scene where someone (don’t remember who) freaks out because they see that Ren has marijuana and they’re afraid that he’ll get horribly addicted when marijuana is one of the least addictive drugs and relatively harmless (maybe I’m biased). I’m on chapter 76 so I don’t know if they talk about this later on. Kind of a nitpick that doesn’t really matter.
On another note, I don’t really feel like Ren and Nana have chemistry. The whole manga builds up to the idea that they have this incredibly toxic
, but codependent relationship but I don’t really get why they seem to like each other that much in the first place? Nana seems to like independence and is very driven toward her career while Ren is laidback and likes to fool around. Other than the fact that they’re both punk (and that Ren looks like Sid Vicious I guess), why are they so drawn to each other? I’m not criticizing the manga, maybe I’m just genuinely missing something. I don’t see what they get out of each other’s company.>>101222
Good tier list. Nobu best boy and Miu best girl for sure.
Yep, he is addicted to coke and smokes some weed as well. In an earlier chapter Reira actually asks if he is smoking weed in a light tone and asks to get a puff of it (turns out it was a cig) though. Seems like an inconsistency to me tbh, Yazawa decided weed was a problem for him later on as she developed the story more.
Yeah I don't really think Ren and Nana have much chemistry. Nana has far more chemistry with Hachi and I actually think she is in love with her but doesn't realize she is bisexual yet. She has a history of acting "princely" for women and seems to be really
interested in "treating them right" sometimes.
As for why Ren and Nana are so drawn to each other… it's because the plot needs them to. Nothing happened between them that grounds their relationship. They just met as teens and it was… love at first sight aka sexual attraction. Nothing more. Then again, nearly every character seems to have a boner for Ren when he is one of the plainest characters. His personality seems to shift depending on what the plot needs him to be like. Sometimes he is all about hard work and cold-blooded career moves, sometimes he is willing to throw everything away for a friend. Sometimes he is loyal, sometimes he randomly makes out with people. It's a bad character whose only trait is that he is hot and good at guitar.
It's also unclear how Nana is doing internally. She had that panic attack saga and it didn't really get resolved, she just kinda got over it once becoming Ren's wife. Is Ren framed as a positive influence on Nana? I'm not sure. The framing is all over the place.
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Just finished my Nana re-read and I am so empty inside. How dare she leave us hanging for ELEVEN years…
fuck the ao no flag ending the les character up with a man? what the fuck? saying she loves both men and women? this girl who struggled to feel anything for her boyfriends? okay. the only redeeming thing about it is that apparently jp twitter was speculating that her husband is a tranny, by looking at the way he behaved, and i saw reddit comments saying they wouldnt like that because it kinda implies trans men arent real men LMAO id fucking love that, her husband being just a self hating woman makes it 100000 times better and would actually make sense since shes les. get triggered
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I will forever be sad they only translate one chapter a year of this absolute masterpiece…
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I could gush for hours about the FL Marie. She is my goddess.
Welcome to pre revolution libertine France.
I will argue the flat characters.
Same. It's amazing that she was created by a japanese man. Proving that that they are capable of creating something other than moe waifus, I
I don't think the characters are flat. The manga brings up a lot of interesting themes like gender roles and class. But it's jarring how some look like they came straight out of a visual kei band.
Tbf visual kei is basically rococo punk.>>101863
Rogue is supposed to be about Marie, her obsession with gender equality and how that obsession lead to her downfall. I was at first annoyed she disappeared and you only learn of her fate via Henri's death scene, but it grew on me.
I used to read it a while ago, I stopped where Marie got the baby
. What happened afterwards?
But themes being interesting do not equal good characters. A lot of the events in the manga seem so disjointed and whimsical. What the fuck was that quartering execution where the uncle pulls a bunch of completely retarded stunts? Why is the torturer… like that? Are we doing gritty France circa 18th century or are we doing yaoi?
Charles is grating as a protagonist. Just somme fagboy who keeps running against that "idealism" wall which he can only afford to do due to his higher class. He
can afford to fuck up a million times. For a manga about class-struggle, it's certainly an odd choice to follow a noble who is framed as righteous and "one of the good ones". Cool yeah nice theme if you don't read any theory I guess.
Marie's edginess I do not understand how anyone
can look past. I love edgy characters but Marie is straight up just a psychopath. What is there to her besides not wanting to be tied down to narrow gender roles and being a sadist? Nothing so far and I'm halfway through the manga.
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That didn't end up happening though? And I'm glad it didn't.>>101895
I dislike Charles too. Other than that, my criticism of the manga is that it comes too close too torture porn many times. The writer tries to tackle meaningful themes but it ends up lost in gore fests a lot.
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Constant circlejerking about how beautiful everyone is. I'm hate-reading at this point.
I started reading Innocent few years ago, but I was quickly put off by the dumb, overblown writing. The art is gorgeous obviously, but I wish the author got someone more skilled to do the script, because he fucking sucks at it.
Recently I took a peek at Rouge to see if maybe something improved, but nope, it's still shit. And Marie is annoying with her third person pronouns.
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Still hatereading Innocent Rogue
>pregnant 12 year old comes to executioner's side gig of medical practice
>oh no, baby is a product of rape
>its dad is bourgeois and mom is a noble whose family exchanged her for money, classic ye olde shit
>they miraculously save her life during labor by performing a c-section and somehow putting her back together
>but wait, there's more
>turns out they saved her life so they could execute her a couple weeks later
>turns out she killed her husband by accidentally pushing him down the stairs during an argument about how her blood is superior to his
>12-year-old pushed a grown man to his death
>teen mom cracks up laughing OTW to her own execution because "thank god the disgusting commoner's jizzum devil has been expelled from mine body!! rejoice!"
>they yeet her
>suddenly, rest of the executions are called off for the day because the king felt like pardoning folks
>rape victim classist weirdo teen mom died for nothing
I hate it here
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I started reading Kakukaku Shikajika, Way of the House Husband, and Bouquet for an Ugly Girl thanks to this thread and am so happy I did. I'm actually interested in reading more manga now.
Does anyone else feel genuine love for the art in the MP100 manga? I know ONE's art can be considered amateurish but the genuine sincerity it has is charming. That and it manages to get the characters' feelings across better at certain points than the anime does thanks to the roughness of it all. I find it REALLY funny that in the anime that the artists are admittedly horny for Reigen and purposely draw him hotter than the manga design for him implies, even accounting for the art's quality. Serizawa's non-NEET design changing so drastically between the manga, show, and OVA is also funny to me since after the final CLAW arc he looks decently consistent in the manga. I wonder if they're just trying to figure him out. Poor guy can't keep a face shape
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Samefagging to add, I was hoping this relationship would be developed, but noo.
damn i'm glad i found someone who hates it too, the storylines are so bizarre and edgy
not to mention the historical inaccuracy is off the charts
as a baguettefag it grinds my gears to see dumbass weebs who think they're history experts because they read that shit
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the fuck is this?
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i too hate it here
Come on, X/1999 is shit, but Kaori Yuki was never that bad.
If you want shitty Kaori Yuki ripoff for fujos, I recommend Baroque Chrysalis. As for other edgy stuff, Nakamura Asumiko, Lee Hyeon-Sook, Chiho Saito (but you probably know that one already), Yuu Higuri, Chronicles of the Grim Peddler and Horror Collector.
>>102622>Come on, X/1999 is shit, but Kaori Yuki was never that bad.
I love X/1999 though I am aware it's not perfect. I wish we got a proper ending. Maybe once the Clamp ladies are dead and people are interested again in theor old work it will finally get published lol. >Lee Hyeon-Sook
Ahh, I love Flowers of Evil, read it like 10 years ago or so.>Chiho Saito
Only read Utena, any specific titles that I should check out?
Need to look into the rest of your recs.
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If you haven’t read anything by her yet, you’d probably like Maki Kusumoto manga. K no Souretsu is pretty fun>>102622>Asumiko Nakamura
Also her, especially Copernicus no Kokyuu
anon please, you have the anime or film endings to choose from. meanwhile I'm a dumbass who got invested in the xxxHolic/TRC multiverse which is never going to end because they keep adding new series to it. They have been doing a lot of reboots the past decade so maybe
once CCS Clear Card is done X/1999 will get another chance? Their art style has changed so much tho, I don't think it could have the same vibe as it did in the 90s.
apparently the ending of X has already been drawn, it just wasn't published anywhere because Clamp refused to make any changes to it and the publisher thought it was too extreme or something.
The film/anime endings do not answer the question of what the fuck is going on with Kamui and his real wish. I've seen some pretty interesting analyses on tumblr in that regard, but I just want to know the actual ending of the goddamn story.
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Innocent Rogue being absolutely disgusting as usual
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Marie Antoinette stole all their eyebrows.
Glad to see Innocent discussed here, I have a lot of conflicting thoughts about the series. I was originally drawn in for the gothic Rose of Versailles take on the Sanson family (for some reasons I love reading stories about executionners), but the way it has turned out disappoint me so much, such a convoluted and overdramatic mess, and too much Marie wanking who is now just an edgelord who changes her opinions every few days. I'm following the official french publications, so I have no idea how it's going to end, but I'm probably going to be very disppointed, I'm mostly reading it out of habit and love for the original manga and Kokou no Hito. The video above here >>102591
crushed my dreams, I really thought Sakamoto was just This Good at drawing lol.>>102797I'm pretty sure Zero is male as well, I get vibes of "Marie wanted a girl and was disppointed to get a boy so she decided to troon him out". She's not even dressing him neutrally, he looks like a girl in all but name. If you look at IRL "gender neutral" kids, it's often boys who get this treatment because mommy would have preferred a girl.
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Got excited because of the names… then I saw the images and realized Im surrounded by plebs itt.
Let me educate you with the GOAT french revolution manga (pic related)
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Now that is a manga where the art style made sure I could never get into it or take it seriously.
I agree with you on the Mary wanking part. For some reason everyone loves her, and I get that she can be cool at times, but she's just become an edgelord and the author seems to have a huge boner for her. Who's she even supposed to be? An OC? Is she based on a figure that really existed?
I loved Innocent when it started off with Charles, everything felt more in order and I appreciated showing the struggle of someone born to become an executioner despite a meek and peaceful personality.
The real Charles-Henri Sanson had a sister named Marie-Josèphe, but she's only been mentioned very briefly in the Sanson family records (I believe she married the executioner of Reims and that's it). The real Marie-Josèphe obviously never became an executioner (I don't think there were any female executioners in France even during modern times), so you could consider her Sakamoto's OC. I thought she was a pretty neat character in the beginning, but she got hit hard by bad characterization during Rouge, she changes her motivations every few chapters and her list of accomplishments became pretty ridiculous and her trooning out her kid really left a bad taste in my mouth
. I was obviously not expecting a 100% historically accurate and realistic interpretation of the Sanson side during the Revolution, but I would have honestly preferred if Charles-Henri had remained the protagonist.
Even the way she had the kid
was hilarious. mounts infinifat retard husband "we're doing this!"
and for what
exactly? I don't get why she decided to become a mother
God yes, that part kinda creeped me out wasn't the guy mentally a child?
. Sakamoto tried way too hard with the shocking situations in Rouge, the Révolution was already horrifying enough on its own, no need to add edgy imagery.
Honestly I prefer the way non-bishie characters are drawn in this manga. They're more realistic and have unique faces instead of the copypaste doll face.
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in case you were wondering what's going on in innocentland, marie tied up her brother to… idk what end really.
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mister bean has entered the chat
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The artist just wanted to draw that, I suspect.
Don't forget that he was tortured by his father and grandma too. Then he does it to his son, continued the cycle fo abuse. I nearly quit the manga when it opened like this, only kept reading because someone with taste I respect recommended it to me.
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This manga is such a train wreck, I’m honestly mostly reading it because the mc is pretty cute and I got a few reaction images from it.
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Not that anon but for me it is the fact that everyone suffers and everyone gets fucked
Pic related, not the worst example, but it annoys me.
I feel like japanese people have a thing for suffering+sex. It's too seen on other manga to not be a fetish. The manga Emergence is a very big example, a scrote recommended it to me and I fell for the trap of reading it, I ended up crying the whole evening.
Read the Girl on the Shore, and there's no scenario, it really is just "two bored teenagers have sex", there's zero substance, and the sex is pretty hardcore, I've read tamer hentais. I've only read the first half of Punpun, but even at this point it was already misery porn and it was such a drag to read.
I really don't get people who shill Asano's mangas, every character is miserable and the setting is bleak, I usually like grimdark, but there's always a feeling of boredom that make the stories a chore to read (also he once said he wanted to be a girl and people jumped to "omg trans girl!!1") Apparently Solanin is good because it's not as dark as the aforementioned works, has anyone read it?
Glad you're waking up and ignoring gross scrote opinions of what is great d33p art.
I remember being new to manga and asking guys for recs of something that wasn't macho fanservice for men stuff, and getting…ecchi recs.
I feel like Punpun is so popular because it's "baby's first suffer porn manga". The fact that it starts relatively happy and just gets more bleak helps hook in people who are not used to reading things like these, in my opinion.
I read it as a teenager and it made me cry for days, it felt very relatable at the time and I was already depressed and looking for stories to make me feel like shit. As an adult I'm not sure I would have the same opinion, it's extremely bleak and if I remember right even Asano said that he was a in a really bad place when he made it and wouldn't write something like that nowadays.
>>103902> Look the men who will go awful lenghts to explain why some anime girl wearing skanky outfits is actually metacommentary for some shit
You mean Kill la Kill?
>Men love touting their gross wank material as d33p and complex masterpieces.
Pretty much this! with everything. Always has been, always will be, has been a thing since the last century started and it doesn't seem like it will stop.
I'm so happy there's people who agree that people like Inio Asano a little bit too much too. I'm sorry to hear they call you stupid, usually people do that when you tell them you hate x popular author for whatever valid
Most shitty weeb men recommend shitty weeb manga. I hate when people recommend OPM, MHA Jojo or One Piece. It's just buff men living power fantasies. I think only certain men who are more into art could recommend better manga but honestly? Always ask women for recs.
The difference between punpun and innocent is that innocent is actually entertaining. I went into innocent expecting to hate it because I hate torture porn, but in the end it was so absurdly ridiculous that I couldn't help but binge it. Rouge, however, I would not recommend.
Big, huge, massive disagree
I lumped Rouge with Innocent when I said it but I find both of them to be very boring and stupid. I just read them to find retarded scenes to post here.
There have been so many manga I've been recommended that turned out aimless and melodramatic like Innocent. I bet there's a pattern of mediocrity just like the coomer taste pattern men fall into.
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Honestly there is nothing I've read that I thought was legitimately non-boring. Berserk is my favorite and even that has so many boring chapters, weird/gross character dynamics and is unfinished therefore not something I would even recommend to anyone.
As an unrelated rec for those that like wholesome content this little manga called Ochibi-san by Moyoko Anno (yes the evangelion man's wife) is super nostalgic for me. I actually bought all the ebook volumes on amazon and archived them into PDF.
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This tbh. I personally think that's the main appeal of the manga aside from the art, especially when you have these moments of Marie Antoinette using social media as a metaphor to emphasize what was going on from her perspective (she was a teen after all).
These little details made me appreciate the story for what it is: completely over the top.
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What are your thoughts on Made in Abyss?
Completely ignoring the loli/shota pandering (which is something very hard to do), I find the caving concept extremely interesting and the body horror genuinely fucked up. If the mangaka wasn't such an overt pedo it would be a great manga.
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I kinda like it- or well, I would like to say I like it, but the extreme moral guilt I feel when reading it does not justify it.
The main characters are kinda cute and interesting, the woldbuilding is AMAZING and mesmerizing, the art is very detailed and good, the creatures are pokemon levels of engaging, and the story is an alright story.
But jesus fucking christ all of this is outweighted by the disgusting shit that happens in this manga. I've tried following it, and I still read the updates, but at times I felt so fucking disgusted (everything about Bondred or whatever his name is an example) that I felt like I was reading a fucked up fetish manga and wanted to throw up. I just don't know if I can still justify myself reading it, but man, it's still kinda engaging and good. But jesus christ it always makes me feel like a degenerate when I finish reading some sections.
The sad thing is that the anime is not that toned down compared to the manga, and the manga really does go places. So I can't even recommend that one, even though, shit, the worldbuilding is fucking great. I really don't know anymore, but as far as 2020 goes I haven't even touched it, don't want to give time to a misery porn-ish story. The guilt is strong in me. I don't know why or how can japanese people like seeing cute, innocent, and weak characters getting brutalized, traumatized, suffering, and having an overall shitty time. Even WORSE if they are literal kids.
As an example, the whole story about Irumyuui (had to google the name). She was an indigenous kid from a small village near the abyss, she was deemed as "not fertile/not suited for pregnancy" or something like that, so she is deemed as unworthy for the village and is exiled as an offering to the abyss. Shit happens, and the group that she is traveling with gets sick to the point everyone is having diharrea (explicitly shown on the manga by the way) and dying. So more shit happens, and in the end, she gets granted a wish, which was "being able to give birth"(yikes). So every other day she woul give birth to a tiny small bunny-like mammal, who of course, would die and traumatize the girl, rinse and repeat. The group she was traveling with even start eating the bunnies and call her a savior. Well, even more shit happens, and she becomes a whole vessel and constantly gives birth. I don't know if I want to keep writting this, you get the idea. Pic related.
Yikes what I just wrote made me feel even worse about this shit. I think I'm done with it. The bad outweights the good.
…Point is, if anyone here is interested in this manga or anime, just stop. Stop right there. Don't do it. It's better to left some things unseen.
holy shit, am I glad I immediately stopped reading this around the first scene of a bdsm punishment for a kid. What the fuck??? what even is that weeping orb on her, I have no idea what's going on in the pic
I can't wait till people realize they were roped into reading a pedo fetish fantasy all along. Yikes. Of course probably some fans are reading it for the pedo content, but I've seen a lot of reasonsble anime fans (ie nondegenerate women) praise this bs. Apparently series popularity turns off critical thinking in some people.
Anon I'm deeply sad to inform you that the weeping orb is not an orb but the hole where her babies come from
>I can't wait till people realize they were roped into reading a pedo fetish fantasy all along. Yikes.
This is exactly how I feel, I definetely feel something like that.
>I've seen a lot of reasonsble anime fans (ie nondegenerate women) praise this bs. Apparently series popularity turns off critical thinking in some people.
This is the sad thing, anime fans who don't really interact with these hardcore fetishy things think you can turn a blind eye and just enjoy the story and the world inside it, but then it gets worse and worse and I swear to god it adds up.
Imagine making a child character from a village, and then making her whole backstory and personality about fertility and pregnancy. A child, whose theme is fucking pregnancy. And then you have her birth every day.
How do people not get that it's a fetish manga? There's so many instances where the characters (who are almost all children) are put into a sexual situation, or their genitals and intimate parts are the focus. I dropped this shit when the half android boy from the abyss or something was introduced and the other children began talking about his dick. It's disgusting. I can just imagine the author jacking off to his drawings of half naked and tortured/suffering children. How did this shit even get an anime?
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>>104459> I dropped this shit when the half android boy from the abyss or something was introduced and the other children began talking about his dick.
This was a very big red flag that I was told to ignore because it was just "children being children" and I was dumb enough to believe it even though my brain was telling me something was seriously wrong. Seriously, don't ever listen to fans of this manga, they'll try to bring you down with their degeneracy and insist that these things are "normal".
Pic related is something that made me feel seriously sick to my core, NSFL. Basically Reg the android boy gets captured and "experimented" on. This includes, for some fucking reason, putting a machine that sucks some kind of liquid out of his groin. Look at the way it is drawn with the blindfold and tell me this isn't some kind of fucking degenerate kink.
This is seriously not okay.
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You know a manga is bad when even your degenerate friend tells you it's over the top. I don't want to post pics but the Tsugumomo manga author seriously likes to draw kiddie bodies it's fucking disgusting. Worse his art is very nice to look at if you look at the monsters, it's a shame how many author ruin their work by adding pedo shit… and I'm pretty sure he uses reference pics
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I don’t have much to add to this discussion, since I wholeheartedly agree with everyone saying this series is a thinly veiled fetish fodder, so I’m just going to leave an example of a typical galaxy brain pedo defending it.
It's because of people like this that works like Made in Abyss get so popular despite being porn for pedos with a bit of worldbuilding.
If a work includes abuse and violence, there's a huge difference when it's drawn by a person aroused by it and a person that just wants to depict it as part of a story or character. Even if you can't tell exactly what it is that makes it different, you can just feel it. Most of the time it's the way the chacarters are drawn, and the fact that most of the things they do revolves around sexual themes in one way or another, even when those themes shouldn't be there. The argument "this character looks like an 8 year old but is actually 200!!" is automatically invalid. These bastards are still attracted to the body of a child.>>104489
Of fucking course they experiment on him by putting a sucking machine around his genitals. Of course. That's the first thing a normal person would think about when thinking about ways someone would experiment on a child when making up this scene. Right. Blindfolded, no exams on other parts. Ffs.
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there's a reason why the MIA fandom is mostly male and why so many men trip over themselves to love and defend it.
See these posts:>>104427>>104489
It would be bad enough if these were the only two instances of unsettling things happening but there are WAY more and nudity is NOT the only problem. The anime does seem to be toned down compared to the manga, but I can’t say that for sure, as I dropped it pretty early on.
The people defending Made in Abyss dismiss people who are uncomfortable with it as pearl-clutching prudes who can’t deal with children getting hurt in fictional scenario. But the point is not depiction of children‘s suffering being inherently wrong, but rather how it’s depicted. This may be a really random example, but there’s an old Russian movie called “Dead man’s letters” in which the main character sees a hospital ward full of children dying from radiation poisoning and it’s completely harrowing but at no point are they shown shitting and pissing themselves, with their skin peeling away, as kids in Made in Abyss would be, in great detail. Showing violence and suffering sparingly or in understated way can sometimes hit much harder than full on explicit gorefest when it comes to visual media.
Tsukushi goes way beyond showcasing themes with the levels of graphic detail he inserts into scenes of children having bad time. And maybe I am being biased but he does seem to relish in it. Like, is showing a sucking device attached to underage character’s dick front and center really necessary? How can anyone fucking defend this? Jfc
Ima, Sokoni Iru Boku was an early example of a war drama where most of the characters are children suffering terribly. And yet nobody was offended or considered the series a pedo's wet dream. Too bad that nobody remembers it, it's a good example of what MiA is supposed to be according to those retards.
I remember Narutaru being infamous years back for presenting violence against children (or rather young teenagers) as well as some sexual scenes, but none of that felt fetishy to me as well, just twisted and uncomfortable (but in an intended way). YMMV though. None of the content was as sick as any of those scenes in MiA.
Samefag, because the above essay was apparently not enough for me lmao.
I also find it super disturbing that this guy >>104500
justifies random sexualization of children as “funny“ and “a bit awkward”. Iirc, there’s a scene where Riko mentions Reg’s dick and another little girl asks her if it’s like her “Papa’s rod” (yes, exactly what you’re thinking of) and it’s played off as a joke. Like, if that’s the kind of humor that appeals to you, I’d be happy to throw you off a cliff myself.
I've never actually read any article covering this, but >>104523
are some examples. It would be nice to analyse this phenomenon.
I'm glad you're all talking about this because when I heard about Made in Abyss when the anime started I had an employee I usually trust at a bookstore/comic store telling me that the manga is a masterpiece and a personal favorite. I'm glad I didn't listen to him and buy the first volumes back then, it seems like it's even worse than I thought.>>104525
I never read or watched Made in Abyss but usually when I see that difference it's because of the amount of details between what's fetishized and the rest of the artwork. I don't know which examples I could give but I've seen many artists on twitter post comics about it after their TL were flooded with fetish art that looks completely SFW if you're not used to this type of shit to explain it.
The way to make the distinction between fetishization and the creator processing their own darkness/trauma is usually found in the framing.
Let's take a rape scene for instance.
Is the rape scene showing the victim
sprawled in a pinup-y way and blushing? Where is the camera lingering? Are we seeing her nude body shown delicately or flushed and soft, etc? If shit like that is shown it's a fetishy scene. The same scene can be framed properly by showing the victim
's face in a close up to focus on her pain, not showing the nudity in a soft or appealing way, etc. Joan's rape scene in Mad Men is a good example, there is nothing sexy about it at all, you're there with her
and you're being victimized alongside her instead of spectating, peering from a distant or leering camera. I don't remember the show too well but Handmaid's Tale had similar scenes where the protagonist's suffering was what the scene was about and it was framed thusly too.
Who the camera is "with", and how it chooses to display other characters/acts is how visual mediums tell you what the film/comic/cartoon thinks about the subject. No matter what your text (script) says, if your camera is leering at the female character then she is not empowered. There are exceptions of course, like in a film primarily on the female protag's side might have a section where the camera is "borrowed" by someone else's veiwpoint and you might shift the way she is framed for a bit but that is also for a very specific purpose.
Always pay atteniton to how the director/artist chose to frame a scene. It says far more about what they think about the topic than their retarded aftar-the-fact interviews.
I'm not sure about manga examples because I frankly don't read a lot of that due to how poorly they seem to tackle tough subjects.
Listen, many women would also recommend Jojo. Jjba is not just buff dudes, the stories of each jojo are wonderful and full of rich characteristics. The plots are fun and exciting to follow, no matter what your gender is.
Finally, jjba author doesn't shy away from making his characters (no matter how strong or macho they are) show vulnerability, poses and dress them in feminine clothes etc.
I know I didn't read it any sooner because I thought the same as you, I was dead wrong. It is actually a wonderful journey with meaningful lessons to learn with each jojo
I haven't read it in a while, but what's exactly wrong with One Piece? It's full of buff dudes, but there are tons of women as well (yeah, I know Oda can draw like only six female faces) and the plot is complex enough.
As far as I can tell neither OP or OPM take themselves very seriously (but I didn't read OPM much). Dunno about MHA, never touched it.
This is exactly how I feel about most shonen and popular anime.
I hate opm, I hate one piece, I hate dragon ball, I hate jojo. If a man loves it it's probably shit.
I just hate all manga that "anime fan" scrotes might like. Literally fuck all of them, I see them on conventions and online all the time and they're the fucking annoying to deal with.
You know the type. They dress in anime shirts and have those over the shoulder backpacks. They probably play smash bros and wear glasses, they might vape too. They have watch a bunch of ecchi anime and read hentai manga. They think they know better than you, they think they're the ultimate anime fan. They gatekeep shit. But ask them about their favorite anime and they all like the most tasteless, boring, normie shit ever. "Oh I love My hero academia" yeah I know, you look like you do. And they think they're so smart and smug because they have anime icons and watch anime meme compilations on youtube.
I rather have smart women talking about their favorite anime to me than ugly scrote talking about his "superb taste" anyday.
All of this, kind anon. You could not have said it better.
Fuck shonen anime and fuck shitheads that think this is what they should recommend to literally anyone, no matter what is their taste, because apparently battle shonens are the pinacle of japanese entertainment and art
Exactly. The problem with these shit heads is that they treat anime as a whole genere instead of a medium to tell a story (aka, animation).
I'm instantly turned off by any stupid male power fantasy, anime or not. Thing is, anime is just, well, japanese animation. My taste is always the same, I seek well written female characters in movies, books, and even music. Why would I suddenly seek out "one of the greatest current year anime" which is probably just another male power fantasy just because a loud scrote and his friends recommend it?
The problem is that kind of anime is what sells mad cash. Trash. I feel like japanese animation rarely ever goes outside this norm. And even japanese directors and animators get frustrated about this, because they never get to explore their full artistic and storytelling potential. It has to always be the big tiddie anime girl and a strong determined anime guy.
Narutaru is still fetishistic though. I had my teen edgy times and I remember checking it out and wanting to throw up at the rape of that one girl with the worms while screaming "I'm sorry". Jesus christ. It's on youtube. Not going to link it.
The rest of the manga is even worse because at the end the main protagonist fucks a dude with radiation poisoning, kills the whole world, and then has a teen pregnancy. Oh and she smojes while pregnant. Sounds pretty Nemu-esque in my opinion.
I'm just tired of being sold disgusting freak shit as the pinnacle of good manga/anime. I regret getting influenced by anitubers, tv tropes and 4chan weeaboos so much.
Just try to stay away from anything that looks too edgy because it is probably fucked up.
That's why I really liked:>>89828
this manga to be honest
Shonen manga like BnHA, Naruto, Bleach, OP etc. are written for a target audience of teenage boys, galaxy brain. I've never seen a female-oriented power fantasy tbh. Sailor Moon would be probably the closest example.>If it doesn't exclude women it's not a male power fantasy, it's just a power fantasy that some women aren't into
No, it's still a male power fantasy that some women enjoy regardless of not being the target audience.
agreed. the torture was meant to mirror the way the girl had tortured another girl (the girl who controlled the monster/“dragon”) which aki and her group had done by forcing her to eat worms and sodomizing her with a test tube, hence the claw rape and worms
while i don’t think that scene in particular seemed fetishistic, just gross and unsettling like you said, the work itself tells me the creator is royally fucked in the head and may have enjoyed some elements the audience is meant to be squicked by.
When and if women are included in mangas made by men, they're either there as trofies, plot devices, to be the female love interest to the male lead and for fanservice. When a woman is a protagonist, she's very sexualized and I've noticed that many authors (this happens in movies too) go down the lesbian road, which unfortunately is obviously a fetish thing.
Men just really like to full every piece of media they do with their fetishes and sexual preferences. It's like they can't make a story without their dicks, and it always comes off as disgusting.
For some reason when a woman does it it doesn't feel as bad, though it might an impression I have. For example, Adekan (which I love) is full of fanservice, but it doesn't feel gross, just nice to see and kinda funny.
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I'm really not that into anime and manga anymore. I used to be really into both and read and watched so many things but now current trends are shit, the most popular series now don't seem interesting or unique at all to me, fanservice is way too over the top and I'm saying this as someone who grew up reading Love Hina. I remember reading Bastard when I was in high school and being shocked that this was published in the Shonen Jump back then but not anymore. Some of the manga I was really into are either updated really slowly like Black Butler and many BL series or they're on indefinite hiatus like Nana. The only things I read now from time to time are BL one-shots because they're short and stupid but in a good way.
I had a lot of manga I sold at some point to make more space and get more money and I regretted it at the time, but now I regret buying so many books to begin with as well as merchandises. I'm going to sell more from my collection. Reading so many series was really fun at the time but I don't have the patience for this anymore and whenever friends recommend me recent series like Kimetsu no Yaiba or My hero academia I get annoyed. Getting old and jaded and participating in fandoms in my teenage years to compensate for my lack of social life irl really ruined this hobby for me.
Japan has an ass-backwards view on gender and they think if something has battle in it it's for males. Does not mean a western viewer has to pidgeonhole themselves into Japanese ideas of what genders ought to enjoy.
Also think some of you read what I wrote with your eyes closed. I specifically mention stories that don't flesh out their women are inherently exclusionary of women therefore male power fantasies. I'd put Naruto in the male-centric pile, you can go check the Naruto threads for why.
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Do any of you guys have recomendations where the mc gets reincartinated as the villianess of the story? Im currently reading pic related and im also reading Beware of the Villainess! Which i know is not a manga, i dont mind what kind of comic it is aslong if the story and art is good.>>105056
I thought Citrus was written by a man?
>>105059>not enjoying battle shonens =/= being a slave to gender roles
You are not revolutionary or special for being a woman loving male-audienced manga.
What are the 'good' examples that you are thinking of?
Anyway enjoy your shitty male-centric manga, just don't pretend it's some misjudged Holy Grail of Equality. You are trying too hard to justify your interests. It's like claiming that galge represent genderneutral fantasy of romance/pov even though the writing is male-centric, the pov is male and you are exclusively banging sad and hot chicks (oh, but it can't be a male fantasy since I enjoy that the hero is helping out the heroines pick up their shit mental health and they are really well written, I swear!!!)
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They are both manhwas and it's a rewind time plot rather than reincarnation but: The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass and The Villainess Lives Twice
Alternatively: Death Is The Only Ending For The Villainess
Survive as The Hero's Wife and Who Made Me a Princess are both manwhas but good
Also you might be interested in this post. I know it's Reddit but it compiles several villainess LN/manga including several manwha recommendations https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/azo3gg/can_you_help_me_find_these_otome_game_based_manga/
I read Virtues of the Villainess and Common Sense of the Duke's Daughter, and I'm currently going through Fallen Princess on Webtoon. Common Sense… is probably the most realistic take on the genre so far, but I got a bit bored with it.
Virtues… and Fallen Princess are not strictly formula, since the heroine of Virtues… discovers she's the villain of the book and tries to avert the ending, while Fallen Princess is less meta and has freaky Friday plot between seemingly stereotypical "dark haired ojou villainess" and "blonde innocent heroine".
I can't get over the fact that to make an industrious shoujo main character with her own agency, the mangaka has to literally introduce a villainess and then subvert it with an isekai plot. It's pretty depressing.
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>>105059>stories that don't flesh out their women are inherently exclusionary of women therefore male power fantasies
You just described Gantz and it frustrates me so much because the whole concept, art and fights are really good, but almost every female character in it are the embodiment of one-dimensional fanservice.
Also Kurono is the shittiest mc ever, and that ending was a complete dissapointment.
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If you don't want to bother yourself with Gantz there's Inuyashiki from the same author. It has a cool concept, amazing art, mc is a wholesome 50 y/o man and while there's barely any relevant female characters, at least fanservice is non existent as far as i can remember. Don't expect a great ending though.
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Even with “feminist” “empowering” manga written by women, the bar is on the fucking ground and it makes me feel bad for Japanese women if this is their idea of female liberation.
Case in point: Rose of Versailles. Oscar is sexually assaulted by multiple male characters that you’re supposed to like by the end of the story (including her ~tragic~ love interest whose only actual inconvenience in life is her not sucking his dick), and her needing a man to quell her hysterical woman emotions is constantly pushed as well.
Don’t even get me started on people who call it “sapphic representation” either because lesbianism is treated as a childish phase at best and the creator has only teased the possibility of Oscar liking women for marketing purposes (see that shitty otome game).
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The only manga I can think of are those from the Touhou series and potentially Revue Starlight. Madoka has some combat in it as well.
Blood+ has a female protagonist but she mostly just fights vampires.
Ga Rei: Zero is an anime prequel to the Ga Rei manga series and is very good and has a female friendship/rivalry. If you accept it as a self-contained series and don't attempt to read the actual manga it is pretty good.
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I know this is the manga thread, but the anime Seirei no Moribito (based on a light novel series) is too good not to recommend for this. There isn't a ton of combat but when it happens, it's really intense. The lead character is a female bodyguard in her 30s (fucking iconic) and it's pretty realistic. She's not some superpowered god. In one instance where she has to fight multiple people she barely survives by the skin of her teeth. Wonderful show with beautiful animation.
For actual manga I'd say Claymore or Angelic Layer. The latter is basically about battle dolls but it's not sexual (by Clamp) and many of their "owners" are female too.
Progressive for 70s Japan, maybe, but that really isn’t saying much and it’s always westerners in the present who I see praising it for supposedly being woke.
It’s frustrating because there were parts of it that I really loved (even from a feminist standpoint) but others aged very badly to the point where I can’t recommend it to people.
Feminists are weird.
They often praise some low quality scraps thrown for them or see feminism in a obvious fetish of the creator.
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WRT Touhou manga: it's been years but I remember really liking Silent Sinner in Blue. I don't know how much sense it would make to an outsider/newbie to the series, but if you liked LoLK or IN it's a nice read. I wish canon touched on the Lunarians more, because they're very interesting (and fucked up).
The other official manga I found boring (or cringey in the Inaba manga's case) and dropped after a while tbh.
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same. can't wait for part 6 to be animated.
guess i'll go to pickme hell for liking funky ghosts and muscle lmao
blame stardust crusaders for giving jojo that reputation though. most of the fights past part 4 are more about resolve/outsmarting the enemy than male power fantasy, and that's the main reason why i love stone ocean and steel ball run. jolyne's stand relies purely in how it's used, and johnny has to master the spin otherwise he will never be able to walk again.
personally i find them a lot more exciting than star platinum who is overpowered from the start.
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nayrt but I like Josuke and Okuyasu's friendship. They're the jojo equivalent of Timon and Pumbaa.
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I love them, I ship them so hard but not because I'm perverted (at least when it comes to this). It's just so rare to see a relationship that starts with a super close friendship in hardly any media, and they're really wholesome. But I agree, they're also dumb and hilarious. There were so many feels when Josuke was crying over Oku "dying" before he decided to come back
This is why as a female I love jojo. Araki wasn't afraid to show male vulnerability/genuine emotions that contradicts society's general idea of masculinity.
They feel more like humans and less "masculine males fantasy power battles" that shounen heros fall into.
Araki could have written some female characters better though, but that didn't take away from my enjoyment of the series (especially part 6, since most of the cast are females)
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If anyone can recommend me manga about young depressed salarymen or office ladies having a shitty, boring life or going through funny stuff then go for it. And don't recommend me wotakoi, I found it boring and bland as fuck, and Fujoshi Rumi did the same thing infinitely better. I think Aggrestuko is a good comparison to what I want to read and watch these days but I've only watched the first season and I don't know if it gets very different later on. I'm sick of reading stories about teenagers doing cool or unrealistic fantasy shit that have 500 chapters and I'm liking reading BL manga about salarymen more and more these days.
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Any recs for something similar to Unlucky Mansion? I really like how rude the characters are, how the protagonist is frank and assertive, and how the characters aren't high schoolers. It's at times silly but also mature. Enemies-to-lovers is a cute trope, that is definitely welcome. No doormat character in the main couple, I don't wanna read about a shy maiden or whatever. Thanks in advance!
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Maybe Nomiya Keibuho wa Yurusanai? It's about a lady that starts working for the special support room which deals with cases inside of the police force. Her coworker puts up a professional front, but is actually pretty immature, it's very funny lmao
Uramichi Oniisan which is about a depressed guy who's starring in a children's show. It's not really about an office, but the main characters are all in their mid twenties to thirties. You might've seen memes about it
Mr Nietzsche in the convenience store is also very good. It's just about the people working in the store, but there's a new stone-faced part timer that is the source of a lot of the comedy. Pic related
Also, have you read any of Niyamas BL already? I love how she draws older men, Mujaki na Wanko to Nekokaburi is so good it's unreal
Seconding Uramichi Oniisan and Nietzche-sensei. The latter has a short live action as well but it's absolutely not worth watching. It's a running joke in the manga that the main character likes middle-aged men, but for the live action they decided to make him a fucking lolicon instead, including at least one scene with an actual child (I stopped watching after episode 2). Because Japan, where pedophilia is more acceptable than anything a little bit gay.
Not depressing but if you're into food stuff Wakakozake and Midnight Diner both have a more adult atmosphere.
Think it got mentioned earlier in the thread but She Doesn't Know Why She Lives is another one, though she's not really an office lady.
Thanks, I'm also starting Wakakozake, it's simple but very comfy. Makes me want to eat out at restaurants in Tokyo again, now that I'm back in my country eating alone at restaurants on a whim is seen as super weird here so it's just not the same. I also checked She Doesn't Know Why She Lives but it seems to heavy for me right now. I think I need to read things that are putting me in a better mood before reading that one, that one hits a bit too close home.
>The latter has a short live action as well but it's absolutely not worth watching
Like 99.999999% of jdrama for TV lol. I can't deal with the shitty acting, it's like they only care about making decent movies and never give a shit about TV. I'll check the manga though.
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Is Re:Zero’s novel worth reading?
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I've been reading Dead Dead Demon's DeDeDeDe Destruction by Inio Asano. It's about two high school girls (though they graduate pretty quick) and them dealing with the looming threat of a spaceship that's been above Tokyo for 3 years. It's mainly slice of life with a lot of the sci-fi stuff happening in the background.
I've really been enjoying it. I haven't read any of this other works but I feel like without the sci-fi element I wouldn't be as into them.
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I love this manga, it’s somehow cozy but also really cool.
He’s the one who created Oyasumi PunPun, it has awesome art like dead demons dedededededestructuon, but I don’t know, the story was too sad to my liking.>tfw no bunny suits to wear with my bff while hanging out.
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thoughts on berserk? i know the gist of the story and like the art from a far, but hear it goes on frequent hiatus? i've been waiting to start it because of that (fucking hate when mangas are infrequent) but honestly want to read it so bad. should i just start it and deal with the bad release schedules?
I think it’s essential to understanding anime culture because multiple series have paid homage to it.
I recommend not reading it, but watching the movies->animated series. The manga is beautiful but you will be blue balled and I wouldn’t wish that on my worse enemies
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Berserk Hiatus chart up to May, 2020.
I think Miura published like two chapters recently but that's it.
I think now is one of the best time to start Berserk, they are not on the boat anymore and there have been some interesting developments in the latest chapters. At least read it for the art and the characters, it's worth it just for that.>>108749
Common theory is that Miura is a perfectionist when it comes to art and he is unfortunately not getting any younger, so it takes him several months to finish one chapter. I really don't like how private the manga industry is and how we almost never get information of the authors' health, like did we get any kind of closure on whatever happened with Ai Yazawa?
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Aqua/Aria is a slice of life about gondola rowers in a futuristic Mars, it's very laid back but it's one of my favourite series ever. The main characters are three teenagers and three young adults with mostly adult characters as supporting cast
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I started reading Showa Genroku Rakugo and it seems pretty cool, but I can’t believe how shitty the official English version looks. I had to double check to make sure the volume I downloaded wasn’t a scanlation, it makes me want to just watch the anime instead.
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Another one, there are a bunch of pages like this.
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The anime is absolutely gorgeous visually, the voice acting is great and the OST is too, you wouldn't be missing out watching it instead tbh. I would be rewatching it regularly if the ending didn't fill me with rage every time I remember it but it's 11/10 until that point.
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I tried reading most of these "reincarnated as an otome game villain" stories, because I like the concept. but they always end up being reverse harem or a regular friendship manga with no romance.
The only manga of this genre that I like - for now, since it's only 8 chapters- is The Daughter of the Albert House Wishes for Ruin.
I like the character of the villain, and there's actually some hints of romance between her and the butler. Also, not all the guys are head over heels for her.
It's good for now.
i feel the same way about reverse harems, they're usually so boring. it just makes the main romance feel less special when there's like six other ikemen simping for the FL.
I haven't read the one you linked but I'll look into it! it's too bad it's only 8 chapters, hate to see when good mangas have slow scanlations. I have a few recs for non harem otome inspired mangas if you ever wanna check them out! some are better than others obviously but these ones butter my biscuit and deliver good stories in addition to romance. they are all either completed or have over 50 chapters and ongoing. The ML's range from manly stoic dudes to gentle and kind. Also some aren't pure reincarnation otomes, but they have otome like elements and protags.
Beware the Villainess
Bring the Love
Because I'm a Villainess I'm going to Keep the Last Boss!
Why are you doing this Duke?
The Evil Lady's Hero
As You Wish, My Prince
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Beastars ended… A lot of people are upset about the ending but I’m not too miffed about it. It does feel like a whole lot of build up for nothing but I’m just happy thinking that maybe these dang kids can just live a somewhat normal and peaceful life from here on out after all the shit they’ve gone through…
I’m just always glad whenever a shonen manga ends, I don’t want to see another monster like one piece brewing with unnecessary filler and seemingly unending arcs for random characters.
I feel like the ending was nice, it felt a tiny bit rushed but not too much? I don’t know at what extent it would have been necessary to have long ass individual explanations of what happened to each character and how they felt.
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I have good news for you anon
The LN has been licensed in English as wellhttps://mangadex.org/title/48912/i-favor-the-villainess
Ooh thank you anon!!!>>109148
I ended up reading this one and the "villainess" and her butler LI are cute but I also want her to end up with the protag lol
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Was I the only one who couldn't really relate to O maidens in your savage season? I know that, when the anime first aired, lots of male anitubers were praising it, but after reading the first volume of the manga, I just didn't 'get it'. I thought it may be because it was written by a man, but it wasn't. Though this is coming from a person who's never been in a relationship before
Mari okada is famous for writing stories about teens coming of age. She tends to nail the first part of the story and then completely fucks it up towards the end climax.
Even with relationship experience, this manga was complete fucking shit. Without spoiling more it’s a lot of “hey isn’t this shocking?” Moments with no fucking reason.
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New Berserk chapter dropped, and it's one of the most insane we've had in a while. The art is breathtaking, new interrogations are surfacing, but we are pretty much getting confirmed a decades old theory in all but name. Damnit, it's going to be harder than usual to wait for the next chapter.
Samefagging but I hate O maidens in their savage season, it feels as if a male with a very slight grasp of what women's sexuality feels like wrote it, and to be frank, even if Mari Okada wrote it she must be retarded because it just feels like teenage boy pandering, as if they had a look into a "secret life of girls" that truly does not exist, it's vouyerism
Umibe no Onnanoko, even if it's written by a male, felt slightly more realistic than this, just slightly
. I preffer My lesbian experiences with loneliness waaaaaaaaay better
>>112712>My lesbian experiences with loneliness
That's the shit.
I wish there were more autobiographical mangas by female mangakas that get famous in the west.
Her stuff is so raw and real.
I also wish there were more manga about girls hitting puberty that hit on the awful aspects of female puberty like PMS, the awful pain of your periods, how shitty pain pills and birth control makes you feel, the body dysphoria that a lot of girls get when their body fat placement changes/increases.
There's nothing cute at all in the female coming of age experience.
Thissss. I agree with everything you said.>I also wish there were more manga about girls hitting puberty that hit on the awful aspects of female puberty>There's nothing cute at all in the female coming of age experience.
This is my exact problem with O maidens in your savage season, they advertise it as that kind of story but end up giving more attention to the males and having sex with them.
Just look at this shit. Who the fuck talks like this at this age, it feels like a fetish thing
>>112840>I also wish there were more manga about girls hitting puberty that hit on the awful aspects of female puberty like PMS, the awful pain of your periods, how shitty pain pills and birth control makes you feel, the body dysphoria that a lot of girls get when their body fat placement changes/increases.
There's nothing cute at all in the female coming of age experience.
There really isn't. I wish there was an anime like this for girls that was 0% moe and more realistic or maybe horror like.
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Yeah exactly. That train gropping scene is like>blonde girl (who btw has sex with her teacher or something) asks guy to grope her (the guy has a train crowd fetish, can't remember the name fo that shit)>guy touches her ass>they both get out and the girl is like "why don't you practice having sex with me">guy says no because he wants to do it with the childhood friend he likes (basically hoes=bad, pure maidens=good, in the scrote way)>girl gets super disappointed to the point of crying>girl tells him "but you got hard thinking about it didn't you :^)"
Seriously. Who the fuck does this.
As for their age, I'm not sure. I tried googling and nothing came out.
To add insult to perjury, train gropping is the biggest problem regarding using the train as a woman in Japan. If it happens to you, you better not make a scene, because making a scene is look down upon in japanese society. This is why they have separate women-only carts.
Video related is another one that pisses me off.>Girl who is repulsed by sex breaks her hymen in gym class>Immediately is in pain, and she's laughed at (and I get the feeling it's supposed to be comedic, but I couldn't find it funny at all)>Goes running to the bathroom, but doesn't know how to check herself (again supposed to be funny, I would be fucking scared in that situation)>Nothing about the hymen bleeding, she's fine just minutes after>Forget about everything, here comes a dumb scrote to flirt with her>Well of course, she's ugly with glasses, and a ~super beautiful girl~ when she takes them out>Dumb himbo scrote calls her beautiful and she blushes, she wants him to go away but he's like "haha cool it's like we're flirting :)">Girl runs like she didn't break her hymen seconds before
samefagging>worked on horou musuko (wandering son) as script and series composition
So she didn't have friends growing up. That explains so much. Her work feels like some friendless teenager's fantasy of what friendships are like.>>112880>She tried to change her image in middle school, but one day her friends told her: “Stop trying so hard to be someone you're not.” She felt outed, as if her entire identity had crumbled, and from then on she stopped attending school.
Maybe the mother is on the lower side of short and Okada is on the higher side of tall.
You are seriously acting like radfems.
holy shit mari okada is a milky troon cow confirmed>>112899>You are seriously acting like radfems.
Even if it isn't meant to be ""realistic"" it's still shit
Imagine your overly sensitive shut-in child who is stronger than you restraining you (what does that even entail? hitting? what)
seriously what the fuck
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oshiete galko-chan sorta covered that topic. I haven't read the manga but I've watched the anime but and it was mediocre, and sometimes felt like it was written by a man, but I sorta like the fact that it covers topics like period and other bathroom talk and the relationship between galko and otako, especially in the final episode, is kinda cute. I also hate how 99% of the promotional material is just galko's breasts. I remember loads of male anitubers praising this too. I think it's because most anitubers are either low-key incels or have no real exposure to what women experience, so when they get a glimpse of it, even if it's a glimpse that's incorrect, they praise it to high heaven
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any anons read Banana Fish? I'm on vol 11 of 19 and I really can't tell if I like it or not. I feel like I'm just waiting for it to get good. I kind of enjoy the art style and find the "mysterious drug and gang rivalry" aspect to be entertaining enough, but Ash on his own is too much of a Mary Sue to be compelling. Also if any anons have seen the anime, would you recc?
Ash certainly has a bit of gary stu-ism. He's a guy with insanely high IQ that gets kidnapped just for his genius, he's an extremely good manipulator and plays every adult around him (he's 17), and on top of this is a great at combat and shooting, and takes out whole maffias Rambo-style. Oh, and should I not forget, super hacker and businessman. But it's all OK, because he gets sexually abused, a lot, because he's just that beautiful.
I finished this in anime form when it was airing, so I don't know how much it differs from the manga. It was fine, but it drags out waaaaay too long, there are some really "suspend your belief" moments with Ash, the trauma-porn can be a bit tiring, japanese guy is useless and never gets better. I'd not rewatch it, but if you're invested in Ash and his journey to escape his past, then you can probably ride it out.
This. Ash is great until they pull that 400+ IQ super-hacker crap. Completely ruins the "from the streets" vibe of the show.
I would argue that the political aspect in the show is really good. Also, I heard manga fans claim that the books expand on this aspect better, so if you like political dramas then you should continue reading.
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I read this manga, and I want you all to know about it. It's a comedy/romance story about a hero and a villain in love, and how they hide their relationship from everyone and try to meet up during fights. It's called Love After World Domination.
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Hi I read a manga but I can't remember the name or anything. It was a dumb comedy romance manga about an assassin boy who is really overpowered and has to kill this rich girl but falls in love with her the second he sees her. So he stalks her and then becomes her bodyguard and whatever. It wasn't long because it's still ongoing. The characters looked sort of like this. It was just some random not well known manga but I hope someone might know it anyway. The art and the story were nothing special but the romance was cute and the gags were funny.
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was it this? i dont read spy/family but your drawings remind me of them
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this one? It only has 5 chapters. Fluctuations of Hitman S
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I'd like more recs on this as well, but I enjoyed Tramps Like Us (also known as Kimi wa Petto). It made for a cute live action show too. Confident but down on her luck businesswoman unofficially adopts a homeless young man and makes him her "pet." Despite how that sounds it's not sexual (though there is romantic tension), it's more about how they grow to know one another and each other's struggles, how they negotiate power dynamics, come to terms with their families and lives, all while helping each other become better and healthier people. I found it satisfying and wholesome while still touching on those more mature, grown woman navigating her life themes.
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Fuck, kimi wa petto was such a good story but then they had to turn badass boss bitch sumire into your usual "uwu what is love" protagonist and I was utterly disappointed. Still a fun read though.
I have 2 recs. First one is Fushigi no Kuni no bird. It's about an Scottish woman (well known for being an adventurer and writing books about her travels) who decides to travel to Japan during the 1800's. She hires a translator and starts her journey to Hokkaido where she wishes to learn more about the Ainus. What I really liked it's how Isabella has to learn to actually accept and understand other people's cultures, and also how the early Westernization of Japan had it's issues. It's based on a book called unbeaten tracks in Japan.
The other one it's Savior's BOOKCAFE, not an amazing story but it has its charm. 30 years old lady get's isekai'd and it's expected to be a savior, but because she's older she's not exactly thrilled and instead tries to live a calm, secluded life and open a book cafe.
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Is anyone else reading Chi No Wadachi? It's a very slow, dark psychological story about a kid in a bad home situation but I can't decide if the slow pace makes it more mature or just makes it feel boring and fake deep.
It's not a spoiler to say that half of every chapter is just the main character making this face.>>116397
These seem really good anon, thank you. I didn't realise how much I wanted am older female isekai story until now, I usually hate isekai.
i'm kind of nervous that fukishii is gonna end up turning out like seichi's mom.
i'm not all caught up though so hopefully i'm wrong.
Nayrt and I agree.
I'm not sure exactly what's happening in the last chapter but the author is really effective at creating an awkward feeling when he shows the disabled cousin Shige. I'm dreading something awful will happen and the MC will get the blame, I hate the slow motion car crash feeling of the two of them together with no safe adult supervision. My completely baseless theory that two boys are half brothers because these kinds of manga are always like that, and maybe the mom originally threw the MC because she wanted the other one.