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No. 165351

Previous thread: >>137122


>FUJOSHI (腐女子, "rotten girl"): a self-mockingly pejorative Japanese term for female fans of manga and novels that feature romantic relationships between men. Receives its meaning from the belief that a woman who enjoys fictional gay content is "rotten", too ruined to be married.


>Discuss yaoi and BL here, as well as series and games aimed at fujoshi (and fudanshi) like Hetalia, sports anime, and male idol anime.

>Discussion of BL games here is totally OK but please do not cannibalize the otome game general.
>Discussion of Male/Male ships outside of strictly BL series is allowed.
>Feel free to ask for recommendations, but please specify what kind of material you're looking for (Genre, oneshot/series, doujinshi, SFW/NSFW etc).
>Being reasonably critical of BL is welcomed but don't come here only to bait or excessively moralsperg about fujos or how much you hate BL as a genre. Take it to Twitter.
>Be mindful of others and hide your spoilers. Use the spoiler image option and wrap your text inside spoiler tags.

No. 165356

Love the thread pic nona

No. 165362

Does Angel's Feather have an english translation?

No. 165377

Has anyone tried Futekiya and has had it for a while (at least a couple of months)? Is it worth it? It seems like they're always getting new licenses so I'm intrigued.

No. 165388

Link to the fujo discord!
https://discord.gg/5tV5r8bkXw

No. 165772

>>165377
The translation is stiff but worth it if you don't care too deeply. I recommend subbing for a month and reading titles you really want and then cancelling. Their library isnt large enough for a continued annual sub.

tl;dr subscribe only in monthly installments

No. 165919

>>165772
Great, thanks for the help! I went ahead and subbed. I'll keep it for the month and read what I can and if there's still more I want to tackle I'll just sub for another month. Hopefully that'll be enough!

No. 167277

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Hi. I still have a problem. Weird formatting because this is taken from an Excel. Recs have a ★. Picture is "Usagi no Mori" which is getting a drama CD later this week.

CALL 朝田ねむい Asada Nemui
Good for nothing who is always low on cash figures he can just string-along a guy looking to pay for gay sex. It doesn't go as planned. This felt very raw, it's not a cute story at all. Good though.

フロムヘブンヘブン From Heaven Heaven ほど Hodo
Shortly before they graduate a high school student gets offered sex from the schoolmate he always longingly looked at. There are some misunderstandings of intentions, but in total it's very sweet and wholesome.

世田谷シンクロニシティ Setagaya Synchronicity 本郷地下 Hongo Chika
University student newly moves into the dormitory, where he has sex with his room mate, making things awkward considering he has a girlfriend (who he can't get it up for). They keep meeting at random places outside the dorm as well. The story had me scratch my head sometimes, but whatever.

計画的パブロブメーカー Keikakuteki Pavlov Maker つし子 Tshushiko
Cook who has a fetish for being eaten starts feeding a high school student who reciprocates by biting him. I couldn't really get into the characters, but if biting is your thing…

服従と甘噛み Fukujuu to Amagami 志木見ビビ Shikimi Bibi
Veterinarian picks up an injured wolf, turns out it's actually a werewolf. The werewolf is having trouble living a stable life because outside of the day he turns into a wolf he has a week each month where he has wolf ears and a tail. They end up living together and while the werewolf at first is reluctant towards the veterinarian they start a relationship. The uke is pretty cute, I like the interactions of the pair.

ミッドナイトレスキュー Midnight Rescue 一十 Itto
Succubus lives in a world where they can learn to change sex, but he's not interested until he meets a police officer he wants to get fucked by. Pheromones something something police officer fucks him even if the succubus is in his male form. This is bara, written by a man, which is probably why I found it pretty meh.

★ 兎の森 Usagi no Mori 苑生 Enjou
Two high schoolers, one has been in love with the other since elementary school, the other has a very complicated home life and lots of complexes concerning women and being a man. Beautifully complex characters, lots of backstory, and a nice slow burn.

★ 跪いて愛を問う Hizamazuite Ai wo tou 山田ノノノ Yamada Nonono
Dom/Sub universe in actually good. Guy with a hate toward subs works in a "brothel" for them. Childhood friend returns from overseas and tells the guy that he (brothel guy) is actually a sub - which he doesn't believe. I may have said bad things about Dom/sub universe before and I apologize.

君の足元で愛を知る Kimi no Ashimoto de ai wo shiru 後之マツリ Atono Matsuri
Dom/sub universe. Sub who is not interested in the whole thing can't control his health with medication anymore, so goes looking for a dom using a governmental matching service. He matches with his co-worker. Sweet enough but I found it kind of boring.

おすわり、よくできました Osuwari, yoku dekimashita 三栖よこ Misumi Yoko
Dom/sub universe. Two gay men who had been "rivals" at a gay bar, one suddenly turns from a "normal" into a "sub", the other had been a Dom before and offers his help to alleviate symptoms of not being properly dominated. Was okay.

パーフェクトプロポーズ Perfect Propose 鶴亀まよ Tsurukame Mayo
Overworked guy suddenly has a gay childhood friend standing in front of his door, asking for a place to stay. The childhood friend has made it his mission to make the salaryman fall for him. The backstory was nice and they felt very comfy together.

スパダリな同僚に×××を見せる話 Supadari na douryou ni xxx wo miseru hanashi まぶた単 Mabuta Hitoe
Male virgin who is into masturbation masturbates next to his co-worker when he has him sleeping at his place after a night out. Co-worker is into it. Male masturbation is one of those things I like in BL and not IRL, and this one wasn't bad, but it also didn't quite do it for me.

スーツの奥までいじめてあげる Suits no oku made ijimete ageru あわいけい Awai Kei
M tax authority worker gets found out by one of his "clients", a yakuza-affiliated guy running clubs and they start a relationship. I liked the couple and the sex, but the art not my cup of tea.

★ ひもの、時々、社内恋愛 Himono, tokidoki, shanai ren'ai 春田 Haruta
Man falls in love with his superior, who is perfect at work but a slob at home. Cute couple, nice progression of the story, even though their first time is when the superior is blackout drunk. The writing was quite humorous as well.

Fake Boys Love Fake Boys Love 三栖よこ Misumi Yoko
Two streamers pretend to be a gay couple for views, one of them actually loves the other. The concept is pretty interesting, so far there are only 3 chapters so a bit too early to decide whether it's going to actually be good.

★ 僕の番はサラブレッドΩ Boku no tsugai wa thoroughbred Ω あらた六花 Arata Licca
ABO. Two young actors are cast to play an ABO couple, and of course they become an actual couple after it transpires that one of them is actually an omega. Nicely drawn.

★ 目を閉じても光が見える Me wo tojite mo Hikaru ga mieru 丸木戸マキ Marukido Maki
Two actors for gay porn are starting to shoot a series aimed towards women and get closer to each other. Both of them have a complicated past and while they of course have sex it takes quite a while and lots of challenges for them to get together.

★ ノット ロンググッドバイ Not long good-bye 緒花 Ohana
A young couple living together, having promised to break up once one of them turns 20. Lots of shared history, lots of trauma, lots of complicated feelings, lots of tears from my side. A really bitter-sweet story.

恋をするつもりはなかった Koi wo suru tsumori wa nakatta 鈴丸みんた Suzumaru Minta
Gay guy looks for someone to take his virginity on his 30th birthday, meets a young university student and there are misunderstandings and what not. I didn't quite get the emotional baggage of the seme and so it was hard for me to give a shit about the couple as a whole.

純情ワンコと劣情タトゥー Junjou Wanko to retsujou tattoo 三栖よこ Misumi Yoko
Young actor is getting body-painted a tattoo by a tattoo artist for his latest role, tattoo artist really enjoys touching him. This was sweet, I liked the seemingly stoic seme, but the drama in the second half was a bit forced/unrealistic.

エロ漫画家とアシくん Ero-Mangaka to Ashi-kun 博士 Hakase
Manga artist gets assigned an assistant because he's overworked. He tries to scare him away by masturbating in front of him, the assistant instead offers to help him. This was pretty cute, I liked the art and the dynamic between the two.

逃がしたくないあいつはキスも知らない Nigashitakunai aitsu wa kiss mo shiranai 九尾つなし Kuo Tsunashi
Young guy starts working at a company making VNs, is actually super inexperienced about sexual stuff. Gets together with one of his co-workers. The sex was neat, but the story around it was kind of boring to me.

先生は便器じゃありません。 Sensei wa benki ja arimasen ホン・トク Hontoku
A teacher moves into the countryside, immediately starts fucking a co-worker with huge dick. Lots and lots of sex, some background drama, but somehow the two main characters didn't stay with me.

★ ピンクポルノで待ちあわせ Pink Porno de machiawase 三栖よこ Misumi Yoko
Guy likes old erotic movies and goes to a cinema to watch one, instead gets picked up by another man who writes about those erotic movies for a living. I liked the theme and the seme a lot.

元彼×セキュリティ Motokare x Security 理原 Rihara
Security guard is tasked with guarding his ex-boyfriend, a novelist who is being stalked. I found it a bit bland, the only interesting part was that the security guard is the uke but he's also really pretty, so…

守ってあげたい佐渡さん Mamotte agetai Sado-san ななつの航 Nanatsuno Wataru
Uke is a guy with constant bad luck, who starts hanging out with a co-worker who has constant good luck. They start a relationship. Kind of funny, kind of cute, a pretty standard love story apart from the bad/good luck thing.

最低な男の腕の中 Saitei na otoko no ude no naka 北野仁 Kitano Megumi
Gay uni student gets drunk with neighbour next door, who he believes to be super promiscuous and just a low-life in general. They start fucking. This was cute, I liked the uke's mom.

ハローモーニングスター Hello Morning Star 倉橋トモ Kurahashi Tomo
Two idols from different groups who used to date are told to live together to create chemistry before shooting a movie together. They of course get back together. The second volume is about two idols of the same group. First volume was cute, I didn't like the couple the second volume centered on all that much.

ピンクとまめしば Pink to Mameshiba 倉橋トモ Kurahashi Tomo
Young teacher is super into idols, gets found out by one of his high school students and gets blackmailed by him. I saw the twist from a mile away, and the couple also didn't do much for me.

★ ウサギちゃん、どシコり申し上げます Usagi-chan, doshikori moushiagemasu 三坂二ウム Misaka Nium
Wealthy (young) company president goes to male bunny bar to relax, meets man with the breasts of his dreams. I like muscular clueless ukes, this one was really cute and I totally understand the company president.

生贄のお勤めは、 Ikinie no otsutome wa 博士 Hakase
Young guy gets sent to a dog god as sacrifice for his village. Turns out the shape-shifting dog god prefers fucking to eating people. This was okay but I remember it mostly for its (brief) scene of actual bestiality.

ごめんしたって許さない Gomen shitattte yurusanai 博士 Hakase
A guy from the countryside moves to Tokyo, gets conned by various people and gets turned into some super chad, then starts fucking men for money. He gets found out by a classmate who tells him to stop and to become a better person. Kind of weird premise.

脳イキ絶頂ASMR Nou iki zecchou ASMR 因幡 Inaba
Gay university teacher is into ASMR, turns out his favourite creator is also a student he doesn't like. The premise was done much better in "Minami-kun ga kono koe ni jirasaretai".

泣き虫ハルちゃんの初恋 Nakimushi Haru-chan no hatsukoi 北野仁 Kitano Megumi
Half-French high school kid is not so secretly in love with his childhood friend and they start dating. He cries super quick and is super mushy in general, so unless you have a high tolerance for that… Cute though.

開発済みですがレクチャーはできません! Kaihatsuzumi desu ga Lecture wa dekimasen! むろ文子 Muro Ayako
Sex shop clerk is really into reviewing sex toys, but technically still a virgin. To change that he installs a hook-up app and finds a customer who never looks at the clerks. Turns out the customer has social anxiety. This was okay but not more. Lots of sex toys, obviously.

僕の世界は君だけに Boku no sekai wa kimi dake ni むろ文子 Muro Ayako
Several short stories: A model? dating his manager and getting into an accident, a student who got tattooed when he was very young and had a weird ritual with a classmate surrounding that tattoo, a couple who has been together for a while and is facing problems, a male prostitute who has a weird client. Because the stories are so short they don't drag on, and they all were weird enough to make them interesting.

なんかもうあーあって感じ。 Nanka mou a-a tte kanji. 宮田トヲル Miyata Toworu
Two students start to pretend date because of a game, start actually dating. This was really cute, even though the story is something everyone has already read.

フェイクファクトリップス Fake Fact Lips 末広マチ Suehiro Machi
Co-workers who have been rivals since high school keep on making bets, with the winner getting to tell the loser what to do. After fucking (because reasons) they make a bet about who is going to make the other fall for him first. Really stupid story, and of course you already know what the catch is (the winner is clear from the beginning), but I still rooted for them.

後輩の雄っぱいが好きすぎる Kouhai no Oppai ga sukisugiru にたこ Nitako
Gay guy at work gets his first subordinate who has huge titties, which is his fetish. He starts fantasizing about him pretty much straight away but tries to hide it. Seme is a super himbo.

それでは先生、お願いします。 Sore dewa Sensei, onegai shimasu. 日乃チハヤ Hino Chihaya
Author of erotic fiction only writes if his handler from the publishing house puts him in the mood. New handler is a huge fan and would do anything to read the latest work of the author. I might've seen this scenario too often, but it didn't feel interesting.

★ メロンの味 Melon no aji 絵津鼓 Etsuko
Customer at a livehouse asks a guy who works there if he can come live with him as he's become homeless. They start living together and slowly start a relationship that doesn't really get name put on it. Earnest quiet story, includes talk about depression and social anxiety. I liked it.

★ ネコ×ネコ Neko x Neko たつもとみお Tatsumoto Mio
Two men who have been dating for a few years. They started dating when the uke was still very small and cute (they're around the same age though) and now the uke is afraid seme isn't attracted to him anymore - he also wants to fuck the seme. I'm not entirely sure I've read a story where both characters don't have fixed roles, I kind of wish more would do that, it's interesting seeing characters in both positions.

★ 愛されたがりのサーフェイス Aisaretagari no Surface 百瀬あん Momose An Two actos are asked to start living together to prepare for a role (is this something that actually happens? It's a huge staple for BL somehow). The older actor really admires the younger one, who used to be a child actor, but the younger actor soon grows tired of pretending to be perfect and basically assaults him. Cute, but the drama and the "twist" felt kind of forced.

東京ー四季ー Tokyo - Shiki - ハル Haru
Short stories with characters and side characters from "4gatsu no Tokyo wa…" and new characters. A genius will help a rich kid with learning for entrance exams in exchange for sex; a huge gay slut falls for a closeted gay guy; and the couple from "4gatsu no Tokyo wa" get married. The first short story wasn't for me, but the other two were nice and the last one made me cry because I loved the couple so much. Unfortunately "4gatsu no Tokyo wa" is superior.

蛍は明日死ぬ Hotaru wa ashita shinu 斉川冬 Saikawa Fuyu
Guy is obsessed with Hotaru, a girl from a book he loves. One day he meets a guy at school who is just like Hotaru (but male) and they start dating. Interesting idea, the drawings were nice as well.

No. 167307

>>167277
If you're the same anon who always post a shit ton of recs, would you create a blog or something to archive your recs? I'd love to see that in case I go back to Japan or these manga get released in my country which would be even better because they would be uncensored so I'll check what to buy or just read very easily.

No. 167386

>>165388
is the fujo discord active still?

No. 167390

>>167307
I am.
If someone can tell me whether I can share a google doc anonymously, I'll just share the link to the file.

>>167386
Yes, please join!

No. 167391


No. 167463

not to sound like a coomer but i really like it when a yaoi i read has an orgasm face (aheago) and detailed depiction of the body and the nsfw scenes (sort of like hentai does with female characters) but since yaoi is mostly tame and focuses on how cute the couple is or the plot it doesnt and it suuucks.

No. 167464

>>167463
You're reading the wrong ones. And if you're lucky enough maybe you can buy BL manga that are uncensored, I know publishing companies in my country publish the original stuff from right before the authors censor the dicks and you get pretty good translations on top of that. But that's a recent change.

No. 167465

Why do you guys like watching cartoons with gay sex

No. 167469

>>167464
And here I thought they were drawn censored from the get-go lmao

No. 167474

>>167465
I'm bored, I like good looking guys and romcoms and some of them are just straight up hilarious without taking sex scenes into account. And most of them are one shots instead of being huge series on hiatus or with way too many books so I don't feel I have to be super invested in it, I just read a few BL manga whenever I feel like it and that's it.

No. 167475

>>167465
Not your business moid

No. 167476

>>167469
samefag here but the authors actually put a lot of love and details into it. It's the same with BL visual novels, I was super shocked when I saw the uncensored dicks in the official translations of Sweet Pool and Togainu no Chi because I didn't expect it. Whenever there were dicks on screen there was also a small mention that was like "not for sale in Japan" or something because of the lack of censorship.

I remember Niyama saying that her manga in some countries were uncensored and her Japanese fans on twitter were considering getting the French volumes online.

No. 167481

>>167469
This depends on the artist, but I'd say 99% draw the dick first and then it gets censored afterwards. The amount of censorship (black bars vs. white lightsaber) depends on the publisher as well and sometimes there are two versions. BL manga didn't get into the game to not draw dicks.

>>167463
There are manga like what you want around, idk if it's translated but Riman Loveho Danshikai while not being drawn beautifully is absolute smut and pretty close to what exists for coomers. There are the main manga that aren't 99% sex and then there are the offshots that are. The artist has said that she doesn't want to draw too many pages that people will just skip, so it's like 6 pages of story and 48 or so of just fucking.

No. 167526

>>167463
I'm the exact opposite and read for the plot and dynamic, but there are a LOT of really lewd yaoi manga and a lot of fan translators redraw the dicks nowadays.

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>>167465
Picrel sums up my personal reasoning fairly well. Fujobians, rise up!
>>167526
I love when BL has both great character dynamics AND plenty of lewd moments. I’m not a fan of cock redraws personally, but they aren’t a huge deal, really.

No. 167576

men in yaoi and bl aren't really men, are they? they're a fictional third sex

No. 167578

>>167576
correct

No. 167581

my favourite part of bls (maybe this happens in other types of manga i’m not sure) are the kiss scenes that involve tongue . i like that certain kisses can really wreck a character and i like when the artist draws in their blushing cheeks and a trail of saliva when they break apart.

No. 167590

>>167576
Yaoi is about two men in a lesbian relationship

No. 167591

>>167590
You summed it up fucking perfectly.

No. 167596

>>165377
You guys should really learn moon. It makes bl much more enjoyable and you're not limited to scanlators' shit taste.

No. 167597

>>167465
The majority of BL involves reading, brainlet

No. 167606

>>167277
WHAT.THE. FUCK.

No. 167616

>>167581
Nonnie you’re making this kind of weird

No. 167627

>>167596
How long does it take to learn moon? I started a Japanese course on Duolingo(lol) and can kinda read hiragana now, but I hear kanji is a real pain in the ass to learn
>>167581
Other anons will say you're cringe, but I agree completely

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>>167581
They're my favorite as well.
>>167627
If you're aiming for fluency I'd say four years but if you only want to read manga then a year should be enough.

No. 167636

>>167627
i often read doulingo is not really good for learning… there are some neocities sites that give good resources, so i recommend you that.
but yes, kanji+vocabulary is hard, but just like everything else, studying hard pays off!

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>>167616
how is this weird? i’d say it’s tame compared to, say, gangrape-chan

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>>167590
100% this. Perfect!

>>167627
Really depends on the plot. If it's your run off the mill romantic plot you don't need much Japanese.

>>167581
I like that part as well. They're always so easily to be made weak in the knees, it's super cute. In general, I like that in BL men can be cute af and cry and shit. "It feels too good" tears are 10/10.

No. 167655

>>167654
Wheres this one from it looks adorable lol

No. 167659

>>167655
エッチなことおしえてください (Ecchi na koto oshiete kudasai) by Hareya Umako
Gay virgin books a prostitute to learn how to please a potential future lover. Falls in love with the prostitute. No surprises here, but it was cute. https://www.cmoa.jp/title/219457/

No. 167660

>>167616
God forbid a woman expresses sexual desire in a fujo thread kek.

No. 167665

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do you read doujinshi? what is your favorite fujo ship from a non-BL manga/series?

No. 167669

>>167481
Yeah stuff like this is exactly what i meant and its funny that i found it on sites like nhentai because i’ve looked there before and the majority of male only tags are just endless shotacon with little gems like this here and there. Since the site is infested with scrotes its not a surprise kek

No. 167678

>>167627
It didn't take me too long thanks to anime. I knew a lot of vocabulary before starting so in 3 months I was already reading manga with kanjitomo. I guess learning kanji is annoying but it really isn't that bad. This is the guide I used: https://djtguide.neocities.org/guide.html

Honestly my biggest shock was realizing that scanlators chose really limited kinds of bl. Like only really popular stuff would get scanlated. My favorite is comedy bl and I'd never seen that scanlated before.

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>>167665
Megumi x Yuji (aka Meguyuji; Fushiita)
Thanks to the latest chapters people are finally properly waking up to the seme potential of Megumi. I'll read Gojo x Yuji and Yuji x Megumi as well though.

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>>167463
Have you read stuff by Hontoku?

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No. 167765

>>167745
>ass-pussy
Ew wtf is this dialogue.

No. 167766

>>167765
ケツマン (ass-pussy) comes up in sex-heavy BL quite a bit.

No. 167801


No. 167805

>>167744
if it's megumi with yuji i agree that seme megumi works better. also because yuji suits the manly uke trope very well imo lol
seems like jjk has gotten really popular with japanese fujoshi, but i have a bad feeling megumi will end up with his sister because the author has an incest fetish apparently

No. 167812

>>167805
They're not related by blood. Tsumiki's mom and Toji briefly dated, then Tsumiki's mom disappeared and Toji was Toji, so Megumi and Tsumiki started living together.
I still really hope you're wrong. Tbh I don't want any love relationships in JJK, Gege needs to keep that Megumi/Yuji bromance fodder flowing though.

No. 167815

>>167812
I mean they're step siblings by law so it's technically still incest

No. 167817

>>167815
Eh,grey zone for me.
The BL Kajitsu has a couple like that btw, two boys/young men who were brothers for six years before their parents divorced.

No. 167818

BL incest >>>>> incest written by scrotes

No. 167819

I'd like to see a BL shounen hybrid one day. A story which follows the typical shounen formula with action, fighting etc but has gay couples instead of typical straight romance. I think only chinese BL went in that territory, using xianxia elements instead.
Is it perhaps harder to pander to japanese fujoshi? Because if most fujoshi are already into shounen manga wouldn't they eat up this concept? Idk why no one tried

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>>167818
Well, d'uh, not my preferred scenario either but fat chance Megumi will end up fucking Yuji in the ass in this PG-13 manga being released in a magazine for boys.

No. 167821

Haikyuu managed to end up with zero romance (other than tanaka/kiyoko) let's make this a new trend for shounen manga

No. 167825

>>167819
I've read "Zombie Hide Sex" which is a zombie apocaplypse manga with BL. "Saezuru Tori wa Habatakanai" (Twitter birds never fly) is a yakuza manga with BL, though that's possibly more Seinen.

No. 167826

>>167765
>>167766
Why not "bussy" then?

No. 167828

>>167826
Maybe the translators don't know the word or they're just overly literal. From quite some scanlations you can tell they're done by ESL speakers, who might just not have the vocabulary.

No. 167831

>>167826
bussy is just as cringy as ass-pussy if not more

No. 167847

>>167826
Would rather kill myself before using that abomination of a word.

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>>167825
Adding on to your post, there are a couple other zomBL manga like Boys of the Dead and Living Dead/Sleeping Dead too. Probably not as much action as OP wants but it’s something.

There’s also this one, Bouzo to Kumo that has some traveling and fighting in it.

No. 167859

>>167818
absolutely based anon. i feel the same way.

No. 167936

>>167826
That shit is cringe

No. 167960

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Left or Right ?

No. 167961


No. 167975

>>167960
Both are ok but left one has a special place in my heart

No. 167985

>>167960
Is JJK even that fujobait-y, or does it just have a bunch of pretty guys in it? I constantly see anime with attractive male characters get called fujobait, even when there's no actual fujo material in them.

No. 167996

>>167985
>>167960
To men everything that doesn't have a big tiddied waifu or loli as protag is fujobait, I guess. Anyway left, the pictures alone ooze romance and drama and I love it.

No. 167997

>>167960
isn't that clamp couple canon? then it's not fujobait. i watched yu yu hakusho when i was 8 so i don't remember well what was the relationship between hiei and kurama
>>167985
no, it's typical shounen so it focuses more on male characters. also the mangaka has a thing for disfigured ladies so it's not that appealing to scrote weebs

No. 167998

although it's a fact that mappa has a ton of fujo staff and they sometimes add vague fujobait like>>167665

No. 168050

>>167985
It isn't. Like you have to have fujo goggles on already to find it bait-y. Plus >>167960 is one pairing that bonds over their love of tall women with big butts, so yeah…

No. 168082

>>168050
that part was ridiculous, since when is jennifer lawrence known for her big butt?

No. 168090

>>168082
If you compare her to your average Japanese woman, she has a big butt. But so do most non-Japanese women.

No. 168102

jjk is such a great series isn't it, the only 2 relevant female characters are disfigured and most of the male cast is wildly misogynistic wow

No. 168103

>>168102
>most of the male cast is wildly misogynistic
Most? I didn't notice. Examples?

No. 168104

>>168103
gojo "can't be sincere to a woman aka cheater and treats utahime badly", toji "freeloader manwhore", sukuna and naoya are self explanatory

No. 168106

>>168104
I hate to defend a shonen series but that's not most of the cast, Gojo is an flakey fuck in general and the last ones are villains.

No. 168134

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>>167818
Agreed.

No. 168136

>>168134
Not a fan of actual incest in general but that's cute

No. 168140

>>167997
As someone who's seen the YYH anime and read the manga, I don't understand the ship. They put out a ton of fujobait-y artwork of them but in the actual series they didn't interact outside of the very beginning when they were working together and neither of them really showed any interest for each other. But then again the standards for fujoshit in the late 90's were abysmal kek

>>168134
I need the source for this, right now nonnie

No. 168141

Are you still a fujoshit if you’re exclusively into western / live action slash and lost all interest in Japanese anime / manga?
Not that we’re any less cringe worthy than the weeb fujos, I’m just curious.

No. 168143

>>168141
*curious what we’re called. Slashers / slash fans?

No. 168145

>>168141
The connotation in the word fujoshi leans more towards weeb stuff in my opinion, hence the Japanese word and BL being an entirely different genre from slashfic. Not sure about the terminology but I've seen most people call themselves just shippers.

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>>168143
I like the word Slasher tbh, sounds brutal.

No. 168157

>>168141
depends, If you exclusively ship 3DPD I don't think you should count as a Fujo
idk just feels wrong

No. 168158

>>168143
>>168156
Sounds sick, but I’ll always associate “slashers” with the horror subgenre and not RPF communities kek.
I think you guys’re just called either shippers or fangirls.

No. 168159

>>168145
Western fujoshi and Japanese (and Asian in general) fujoshi aren't that different tbh. I need to remind everyone here that American Supernatural fanfic writers came up with omegaverse and Japanese BL authors ate that shit up and there are now a shit ton of BL manga and BL released in Japan on a regular basis.

>>168156
That reminds me of when Toko in Dangan Ronpa reveals she's both a fujoshi and a serial killers targetting pretty boys by calling herself a slasher. The pun was just perfect.

No. 168165

>>168159
Supernatural shippers did not invent mpreg, its been a thing in Yaoi ssince the 90's

No. 168168

>>168165
Omegaverse and mpreg are kinda related but they're not the same thing. There's a reason why I mentioned omegaverse and not mpreg in my post.

No. 168169

>>168159
Yeah but even western and Japanese omegaverse are pretty different in nature. Western ABOshit has taken the animalistic nature so far it's only a few steps away from furry porn while the Japanese variety is more about muh pheromones/fated partner and raising cute kids as a family.

No. 168170

Can we not have a discussion about ass babies at least once in one of these threads

No. 168171

>>168170
Beats fighting with assblasted otomecucks kek

No. 168172

>>168170
Sorry for bringing it up, I hate omegaverse but I thought it was a good example of trend that gets popular all over the planet unfortunately

No. 168175

>>167960
Not into shounen (aka the most of the examples given) but I mostly prefer now.

Also I thought Sakura’s bro and Yukito were dating?

No. 168185

>>168169
Even if Japanese ABOshit isn't quite as bestiality-lite as the Western version, it's still usually pretty gross and misogynistic. That being said there's a very popular ongoing mpreg fanfic for my OTP that I found myself really liking, and they even kind of makes sense in-universe. I hope the author finishes it soon so they can be good dads to their abomination ass baby. Yes I know there's no hope for me

No. 168202

>>168185
Agreed as a weeb fujo anything tagged “omega-verse” puts me off no matter how pretty the art style is or— i can’t even say no matter how good the plot because theyre all terrible Kek its all literally the same plot with each omegaverse manga

No. 168203

>>168202
>>168185
All omegaverse is terrible but I never got why it triggers so many people due to "ree misogyny", it's just a dumb fantasy world of "what-if"s and I have a really hard time taking it seriously enough to be offended over ass babies. It's such a waste of energy. And no, please don't sperg out about the reasons on me because I already know, I just don't care because it's stupid.

No. 168205

>>168185
>>168170
>>168202
>>168203
So I'm not one of those "Mpreg is misogyny" types but I just dislike it cause its fucking goffy, like I can't take it seriously and I don't understand how can take it seriously
its like a balloon fetish appearing out of nowhere, maybe not the worst thing in the world but its still fucking stupid and I am gonna make fun of you for it

No. 168207

>>168205
I feel the same way. While my deranged fujo self is in no place to judge mpreg fans, I definitely do do so in my head. It’s just so fucking funny to me.

No. 168210

>>168207
Yeah, see I view it on par having a balloon or transformations fetish, not the the worst shit in the world but It's kinda dumb and even comical to an extent

No. 168214

>>168207
>>168210
That's the thing, it's so useless to get so angry over the alleged misogynist angle since the whole setting is just so stupid and obviously not supposed to be taken very seriously. I do judge people who like omegaverse unironically but only because it's dumb meme shit on par with vore or gigantism or something, it's ultimately harmless.

No. 168216

I hate omegaverse with a burning passion and i still can't get over the fact it got popular with japanese fujoshi. As if ao3 wasn't already clogged with shitty abo fics. I genuinely don't understand why would anyone enjoy the concept, like i get it if you only wanted to write wild crazy smut but going into worldbuilding and trying to explain how the system works is so stupid and don't get me started on the mpreg aspect

No. 168217

Like there is nothing sexy about pregnancy, you barely see hentai scroteshit about it so why should BL be plagued with it. I'd rather see them adopt a bunch of poor kids

No. 168220

>>168203
I dont even hate it for misogyny it’s just cringe to me with overused plots. Uke gets in heat and they fuck. Every. Time.

No. 168229

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>>168220
While I'm not some huge ABO fan, I get why "uke wants needs to fuck so badly it's making them physically sick" is hot. To me, one major aspect of sex in general is just this wanting of one another, and ABO is just an extreme version of that. Yes, the plot is pretty much always the same (omega doesn't like alpha -> but he smells so good -> fucking -> oh he was my destined alpha after all), but plot-recycling is pretty common anyways.

No. 168231

i prefer a/b/o where mpreg isn't possible. but i also only read it in fanfiction not in manga and i think at this point everyone has become too desensitised to it so they need to keep changing the worldbuilding and how it works to keep it interesting

No. 168236

>>168216
>>168231
I have read some Dom world fics, that basically accomplishes the same thing as a/b/o just without the mpreg
>>168229
I mean what you described in its self is hot, I don't think most people have an issue with that aspect, its just the baby aspect
I don't wanna see this character who was getting a pounded 5 pages ago becoming a parent out of nowhere

No. 168240

>>168140
nta but it's Aniki no Ichiban Oishii Tokoro

No. 168243

Have people in this thread actually read omegaverse manga or all you all just talking about fics?

No. 168244

>>168243
I read some omegaverse manga and always tried to avoid omegaverse fanfics because I already knew I'd hate it.

No. 168245

is anyone here into hypmic?

No. 168246

>>168245
i am anon! i’m surprised it’s not more popular in fujo circles.

No. 168249

>>168246
joseimuke series like hypmic, enstars and twst are really hard to get into for us westerners because there's no actual localization
hypmic has a pretty cool concept and songs from what i've heard but i find the radfem villains plot kinda off putting

No. 168251

also why is a joseimuke husband series allowed to have so much cucking??

No. 168253


No. 168254

>>168253
some characters have possible gfs from what i've heard

No. 168261

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>>167665
I'm basic, so Eren/Levi (aged up/adult Eren only). I like Eren/Armin, too.

No. 168262

>>168254
Do you know which characters?

No. 168274

>>168243
I feel like people have read one or two, didn't like them and decided they're all bad. There is tons of ABO that doesn't have mpreg. Also as >>168236 said, Dom universe is just ABO without the mpreg and with juicier sex.

No. 168281

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>>168245
Yes! I love Ramujaku and Gendice!

No. 168295

>>167596
I'm going to sound dumb but what exactly does moon mean here? I'm guessing you mean learn Japanese based off of previous discussion?

I'm actually starting to learn it again. I've been using the Tofugu masterlist. I had the hiragana memorized a while ago, but I haven't practiced since so I'm getting back into it. I got hella depressed over the fact that I couldn't read a bunch of untranslated otome, so I got motivated again. If you've played VNs before, how long would you say it would take to learn enough to start being able to read untranslated ones? One year for manga is pretty decent, so I'm optimistic. Would love to be completely fluent one day, though.

I actually feel pretty committed this time because I consume enough Japanese media that it's starting to seem more and more necessary. Feels kind of embarrassing to learn just for weeb purposes, though.

No. 168302

>>168261
Source? That pic alone makes me wanna read some, what a perfect Levi

No. 168309

>>168295
Yeah moon is net slang for japanese.
I've never read a VN in japanese but if you consume japanese media every day and study daily then I'm sure you could start reading them in a year. You'll need tools to help you read kanji, but if you stick to fairly simple games without complicated storylines and plots, I think you could get through them fairly well.
Don' be embarrassed, learning japanese purely for weeb purposes was the best thing I've ever done for myself. It brought me so much joy and entertainment. I've turned more into a normie in the past couple years and haven't had the chance to read BL like I used to, but I don't regret a second of the fun it brought me. Actually, life was way more fun and exciting when I was a weeb who only read BL and watched japanese 2.5D musicals.

>>168274
Yeah, that's why I asked. I've only read a couple but the reactions here seem exaggerated. It really wasn't that different from regular BL.

No. 168368

>>168170
i hated we keep rehashing it but it's getting funny now

No. 168369


No. 168370

>>168369
Are there still nsfw/yaoi artists on tumblr? Damn i missed them

No. 168371

>>168309
Oh, great, thanks for the encouragement! Weeb shit has honestly been one of the few joys in my life as of late so I think it will be worth it, really. Maybe it'll give me some structure for once, too lol. Maybe I'll finally be able to watch those Takarazuka Revue musicals.

I'm currently devoting about 30 minutes per day for study until I get out of school for the semester and will increase it after that.

No. 168391

>>167960
Forgot to reply when I saw it but I like the left side better. Saint Seiya yaoi doujinshi helped CLAMP kickstart their career, to this day I don't get why Kurama/Hiei is a popular ship but I love both characters, and Toya/Yukito is canon so it's not even fujobait. Even 7 years old me understood that Toya and Yukito were into each other when I read the manga when it got released in my country, that's how obvious it is and I didn't even know homosexuality was a thing.

I don't give a shit about new releases because I'm always expecting big series to either turn to shit or to never have an ending anyway.

No. 168393

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is anyone watching this? it has a good art direction but it seems like it doesn't have much of a plot

No. 168396

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>>168393
I do. Story is pretty lackluster imo. But in terms of fujo bait, damn it exceeds any expectations. Man, they even threw in some sweet home alabama moments..

No. 168416

>>168393
what is the name?

No. 168417

>>168416
visual prison

No. 168418

>>168417
thank you!

No. 168436

>>168393
I'm disappointed about how Guil turned out. In the 1st episode he was very nice, sweet, and welcoming towards Ange, but he reverted into a bitter angsty tsuntsun grandma. I hope he gets better, was really expecting some good fujobait scenes between him and Ange.

No. 168462

>>168240
this was so cute despite it being incestuous.
i was confused because it was tagged as shota on some sites. i’m assuming that’s because of some of the panels that are drawn in a chibi art style?

No. 168464

>>168462
A lot of times BL gets tagged as shota for no reason at all other than the other guy being a twink. I don't know if it's to cater to pedo moid fetishes or something, it's always been weird to me.

No. 168530

i'm curious about some things about the jp bl community
do they have ship wars like in the west? how do they react to canon couples or the canon female love interest, do they just ignore them or trash talk them? the jp fandom always looks very chill, like everyone is minding their own business but i find it hard to believe everyone gets along so well. i know that jp normies/bg shippers tend to see fujos as being "weird" but i wonder if there is more drama to it. it also seems like their love for characters is more intense, they spend so much money on merch and stuff so aren't they more likely to have a sperg out if their fantasy is shattered? the last one also applies to rabid yumejoshi, don't they get annoyed if their husbando is taken by another girl?

No. 168531

>>168530
>do they have ship wars like in the west?
Definitely. I've seen them be vicious bitches about it kek.
>how do they react to canon couples or the canon female love interest, do they just ignore them or trash talk them?
I think they just don't give a shit about the female love interest. Recently there's definitely been a trend of making the girl cheer their OTP on.

My experience with the JP fandom is limited but there have been JP-based anons here who have offered great insight on the subject so I'll leave it up for them to describe everything in more depth. I've understood that most of the drama centers around doujin circles being catty with each other and drama about things like art theft, not the subject matter itself.

No. 168534

I see very few mention of BL dramas/series itt (as in with actual living actors), is anyone into that? If so, care to share some recs? If not, care to rant about why?

No. 168536

>>168534
>If not, care to rant about why?
3D ugly

No. 168539

>>168530
Not a Japanese speaker, but from what I can tell the jp fujoshi can really get their knickers in a twist over which character tops and which bottoms. To the point where Character A/Character B and Character B/Character A get different doujin events entirely and fans of one often detest the other.

No. 168540

>>168534
Even in asian bl dramas where the bl is very heavily implied and covered with strong bromance, the actors just aren't good looking enough even if they fit the character to a T. Don't get me wrong, they're good looking, but not like, 2D perfectly good looking.

No. 168544

>>168534
I've watched a few but the only memorable one was untamed (not explicit bl because china, but the couple is canon)

No. 168546

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>>168534
I think as a teen I watched every single available one on youtube but many have bad endings or like >>168540 said don't look cute enough. 7 days was perfect tho imo, super wholesome, I rewatched it at least twice. Ai no Kotodama is oldish but also very sweet, their chemistry is really believable.

A while ago I got into chinese bl novels and I also really enjoyed the (very few) drama adaptions because the actors are super handsome.

No. 168551

>>168539
top/bottom drama is so weird to me and the only explanation i have for it is that some people really want to see their husbando bottom. cause why else would you get so worked up over it, i have my preferences too but i can't imagine getting into a heated fight because of it lol

No. 168553

>>168536
based and true

>>168539
I've seen this happen a lot and to be honest I understand it, the dynamic changes entirely when you change which one bottoms. With a ship like Bakugo and Deku someone insisting on Deku topping would be an absolute turn off for me.

No. 168554

>>168553
speaking of bkdk i can't wait for bnha to end to see the fandom meltdown cause i'm convinced horikoshi will give everyone a naruto/kny-style married ending

No. 168555

>>168551
>>168553
for me it's the opposite, i just can't stand certain characters bottoming, so it really pisses me off when somebody takes a canon top and doesn't shut up about him bottoming kek

No. 168556

>>168546
Chinese bl drama have the cutest actors

No. 168588

>>168530
Japanese BL fans don't all get along with each other, it's just that they hang out with fans of the same pairings only and they actively avoid the things they dislike. Read Fujoshi Rumi if you want to see the bullshit from BL fans in Japan, it's not that different from here but there's no fake SJW arguments.

No. 168655

i feel like getting into chinese bl was a waste with all the censorship bs. idk what i expected

No. 168659

>>168553
>bottom deku only

very based

No. 168733

>>168530
I don't know the inner workings of circles in Japan, but from what I've seen from fans at events, online and on a personal basis…
>do they have ship wars like in the west?
These do exist, but as >>168588 mentioned, Japanese fujos tend to be very good about actively avoiding what they dislike, which is why there's always a huge thing about naming conventions for ships online - first of all, so they don't bleed over to the mainstream (fujos tend to not want to impose on "normal" fans) and second of all so there are terms that can be blocked on Twitter. I've seen artists post about complaints they've gotten for not properly mentioning the ship in their tweets, about reposting stuff with a different ship than what they draw themselves, etc. etc. There are some very very fragile fujos out there who will not tolerate anything but their ship.

>>168551
I really want to see my husbando top. But I'd never fight with anyone about a fictional character.

No. 168752

>>168655
You're talking about CN novels right (or just in general)? I get what you mean, but to be honest I don't mind not reading about them having sex. Though there are some CN authors who skirt around with the censorship and post the "below the neck scenes somewhere" on other websites, I can't quite remember them though. That or they make the sex scenes realy flowery and poetic to make it pass the censorship you're not even sure if they're having sex anymore or having a transcendental experience, kek.

No. 168759

>>168539
>>168551
Reminds me of that scene from Kiss Him Not Me where the two fujos fight over top/bottom. 1:18 timestamp

Speaking of which, these two should've gotten together. Tfw no fujo gf.

No. 168777

So we discussed this in one of the previous thread but do you think there can ever truly be a good western produced series ?

I frankly don't have much hope, I expect consistent backlash, not from actual gay men who probably don't give a shit but from SJW-types and aydens who will talk about fetishization and cultural asportation or whatever

No. 168779

>>168777
does a good western romance story even exist in the first place?

No. 168785

>>168752
i love the books, some of them have really nice romance. its just that every other medium like donghua and drama has the potential to be completely changed, even ones that don't have sex in them. i'm really hoping winner is king will make it through, as they could pass off most of the romance as a father and son being really close anyway.

No. 168791

>>168759
I was wondering why that bottom/top discussion seemed really familiar now i remember where i heard it nonna kek

No. 168824

>>168752
>post the "below the neck scenes somewhere" on other websites
Are you kidding? I thought the sex scenes were included in the novel and they only censored the tv shows.

No. 168835

>>168777
Given the sheer number of gay guys my age I know irl who used to ship shit like Sebastian/Ciel in their teens I wouldn't be surprised if there are gay young guys now who would like sappy BL series if it's Western produced, because that would be more accessible to the average western guy than Chinese movies or series. The real problem is that the most likely case is that Netflix would probably be the first to try to do something and it'll be shit just for that.

No. 168840

>>168777
See >>168779 , all western production is shit, especially the romance genre.

No. 168937

>>168824
the ones i read did have sex scenes. the author of the untamed stopped writing them in her novels because she's just very bad at it lol

No. 168955

>>168835
it will be shit because stinky aidens like you will complain until they insert a gender autist girl into the main couple

No. 168981

>>168955
>stinky aidens like you
>like you
How did you even get that from my post? I'm a real woman and the guys I'm talking about are real men who are into other real men, they're just gay weaboos and I was shocked that real guys could actually be into this shitty pairing.

>until they insert a gender autist girl into the main couple

Actually I was thinking about the same thing just based on a gif I saw in one of the FTM threads, it's from a Netflix show according to some anons, it was basically was you described. Some girl on T was calling a gay man a faggot and saying that it's none of his business if she has a vagina because she's still guy, and anons said the two characters end up dating anyway. No idea what the title is because I don't use Netflix.

No. 168982

>>168981
>Actually I was thinking about the same thing just based on a gif I saw in one of the FTM threads, it's from a Netflix show according to some anons, it was basically was you described. Some girl on T was calling a gay man a faggot and saying that it's none of his business if she has a vagina because she's still guy, and anons said the two characters end up dating anyway. No idea what the title is because I don't use Netflix.
Not sure if you're talking about another show, but this exact thing happens in Shameless. The same actress who plays the "enlightening" fakeboi who conversion therapy's a gay character into fucking her does the exact same thing to a different newly out gay character in a different show too, but I can't remember the name of it.

No. 168984

>>168779
brokeback mountain?

No. 168988

>>168982
I think the anons said the title was Shameless but I'll have to double check to be sure of it. And Netflix did this twice? How do you try to hard to be "inclusive" that you go back to being homophobic that often? Shit like this and unnecessary sex scenes everywhere is why I stopped using Netflix years ago.

No. 168989

>>168824
As far as I know in JJCWX, novels are also very heavily censored, that's why "anything below the neck" as CN authors call it can get you banned/warning to edit it out.

No. 169006

>>168981
NTA obviously but holy shit this happened? Netflix keeps hitting new garbage lows whenever I turn my head. Western produced shows truly are the worst. I don't even get why they would cater to such an audience, contrary to what the spergs in the fakeboi thread imagine the homophobic FTMs who demand an access to gay spaces are extremely rare at least compared to AGP MTFs who invade lesbian communities since they're all trans 4 trans Aidens, I can't imagine this going over well especially because cis gay men are higher up on the totem pole than lesbian women and FTMs.

>>168989
This perplexes me to no end because as far as I've understood the gay danmei novels are filled with graphic sex and even male on male rape but it's clearly against the censorship rule in China, how the fuck do they go around it? I've always been sort of undecided about entering that fandom because you never know when it will all be shut down and the author will be sent to the gulags but maybe some CN specialist anon can shed a bit of light on this.

No. 169008

>>169006
the thing is that if they keep it among themselves they're fine, but some losers and antis who have beef with the authors report it to the authorities and say stuff like "this is a bad influence for minors" to take it down (always the minor card). communism at its finest kek
this is how they banned ao3, xiao zhan's fans were offended by a gay fanfic and mass reported it

No. 169010

this is why bl and anime fans went nuclear against xiao zhan, they obviously can't criticize the ccp that's a death sentence… so they had to take their revenge by humiliating him and causing distress to his entitled fans. even if it wasn't his fault, that's the only way they can fight back

No. 169021

>>169008
Chinese antis are a special breed, in the west you'll get fired from your job but at least you won't be detained by authorities and given a prison sentence for writing about gay anime men. Equally horrible were all the people lashing out against him but like >>169010 said that's pretty much the only place they can direct their anger towards. The Chinese society is awful and with all the censorship laws in place I would absolutely hate being a content creator there. It's too risky to produce anything that's not about praising Xi Jinping and the communist party.

No. 169025

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Anons I just 100%'d Room no. 9 and have to talk about it somewhere, this game was a lot (but I fully enjoyed it). Any thoughts? I rushed through the endings and made my way to the true end after experiencing all the other bad ends first so it too felt like a bad end to me, but after giving it some time and replaying the final scenes of the true end, I really feel like this is the best and most realistic ending for them. But I still wish they could've shown just one scene of them removed from the situation far enough in the future and how their relationship progressed and moved on from it, but I suppose not showing it is part of having an open ending I'm going to be thinking about this game for a long time to come lol, just like how sweet pool stuck around in my head until now since the first time I played it 6-7 years ago.

No. 169035

bump for cp

No. 169056

>>169025
i really enjoyed the the hurt/comfort parts where they were forced to cut up and take care of each other. something about it felt special to me

No. 169084

>>169021
Kinda OT so sage and spoilering, but I think it's just asian antis in general because k-netizens concerning k-pop idols and other things are also so fucking unhinged too, don't even get me started on Japanese fans they're all very intense if they find out their idol is not a virgin, plus otaku culture there. But also I love the Chinese "water army" in which antis basically hire people with throwaway accounts to hate on someone

No. 169323

kinda tired of the "seme is absolutely obsessed with his uke" trope. i've started rereading chinese bl novels and why do i need to see the same shit again and again like why can't they have an ounce of creativity in terms of ship dynamics?? is it written somewhere in the book of yaoi rules that the top must always fall first for the bottom? and the bottom must be oblivious most of the time? it's like haremshit where the girls throw themselves at the guy

No. 169324

mxtx already did this shit 3 times with the seme/gong in constant pining mode
at least in the white cat shizun novel the uke/shou falls first (even if it was kinda problematic) so that was a breath of fresh air

No. 169335

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I'm going to be a cruel bitch, but i'm loving the latest korean spoilers of ENNEAD. I like Seth and hope for him to have a happy ending, and he suffered a lot at the hands of the rest of the cast… but his worst crimes were against innocent humans, and he never answered for that. He legit deserves everything that happens this chapter. And the twitter meltdown is the funniest shit.

No. 169339

First time on lolcow here, my apologies I didn't know there was a new thread but like I said previously I'm glad there's this place for fujo talk because of what happened to the /trash/ /fujo/ thread but I guess that's quickly outdated since they've returned to regular fujo posting in the span of one day, lmao.

No. 169340

>>169339
What the hell is /trash/?

No. 169341

>>169340
it's a 4chan board

No. 169362

>>169323
I’m more into the reverse where the uke is obsessed with the seme personally.

No. 169379

>>169324
nta did you finish reading white cat shizun? i read it up to chapter 90 hoping something would change since everyone regards it so highly, but i was still bored. the only thing that interested me was shimei but i'm not sure he's enough to make me read 200 more chapters

No. 169404

>>169362
I like both. Just as long as someones obsessive and someone is oblivious or scared its nice. Its a repeated trope and cliche but i enjoy it every single time lmao

No. 169413

>>169339
Isn't that the thread that has a moid spamming it all the time?

No. 169428

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>>168777
I don't think its possible, the cultural factors that led to BL even existing as a concept were unique and could never emerge from either the West or the Muslim world, only in the east asian sphere was the groundwork set

>The General "don't ask and don't tell" attitude regarding homosexuality

>The Pre-existing concept of "love" between older male/younger beautiful male(as long as that love is temporary and both get wives and have children at the end)
>General sex segregation that never really went away

pic unrel

No. 169435

>>169428
sorry i have to talk about your picrel
>Oh! I love them! I HC them as trans!
what an insane thing to say. it's just so unnecessary, stupid and makes no sense at all. it's like looking at a character and saying that you headcanon them as wearing a wig out of fucking nowhere, without there being any hints at all. and you're supposed to feel sorry for the poor uwu tiffy there because she can't smear her inferiority complex on everything. sorry gay men won't fuck you and straight men won't either because your mental illness makes you unbearable.

No. 169437

>>169323
>>169324
her readers are femcels who selfinsert into the uke, so of course she's writing about a handsome somebody who absolutely loves and strongly pursues the uke/them, that's what they crave and likely don't get irl

No. 169438

>>169437
samefag but just look at her character shen yuan: he is her readers, some loser who loves reading about a sexy demon lord fucking 1000 wives when in reality he secretly wants him for himself kek

No. 169440

>>169435
I'm suddenly reminded of the she-ra creator entertaining the HC of trans catra…

No. 169449

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No. 169450

>>169449
>Gintoki/Hijikata
Based

No. 169451

>>169428
>>169449
To be completely honest, while I think "headcanoning" BL ships to be troons is cringe due to the awkwardness of it and the issue being politically charged I still find them comparable to genderbent versions. Just filter out the tags or something. I've never seen Aidens outright demand people to accept a character as some transmasc femboy king in the same sense as AGPs attempt to bend reality itself to meme Hatsune Miku into a tranny. But that might be because I don't hang around literal teenagers. The "making a ship het by giving the other guy a vagina is homophobic" point I get but then again I see all men in BL as female coded so I don't really care. The only time I'm actually bothered is when a straight FTM wants to self-insert and turn the setting into a heterosexual otome because actual gay sex is gross to her.

No. 169452

>>169451
>I've never seen Aidens outright demand people to accept a character as some transmasc femboy king
I have many many times.

No. 169454

hate when non-BLs pull this shtick with muh "soulmates" and their "amazing special relationship beyond friendship but not quite lovers" like give me a break, make them either gay or regular dudebros there is no such thing as super intimate soulmate friendship between straight men

No. 169455

>>169454
This. Men just aren't socialized to be as deep friends as women with other women are so it's such bullshit when they don't just make them gay.

No. 169456

>>169455
it's obvious they either don't have the guts to make it canon or they're one of those japanese fujos who prefer to romanticize "special exaggerated friendships

No. 169457

>>169451
>The only time I'm actually bothered is when a straight FTM wants to self-insert and turn the setting into a heterosexual otome because actual gay sex is gross to her.
I hate that so much, when trying to read self-inserts I avoid anything with “male reader” like a plague, but if you look for literal “vaginal fingering” they will put their ayysonas as guys with vaginas and it’s annoying, it’s such a turn off.
>Oh yeah, Roberto, I, Naruto am fingering your pussy, we’re gay men btw, so queer.
I hate it so much.
And they are quite annoying with the whole “muh cwomfort character is trans like me uwu” but of course, they don’t go apeshit like the males in dresses, because of actual female socialization, but they passive aggressively post retarded memes and stupid ass comments like “girl I- um- oh- wait- stop-“ I hate it too.

No. 169458

where is the yaoi hole?

No. 169459

I also hate when they try to bait fujos and then backtrack by asserting their friendship or mentioning how much they love girls out of nowhere. At least keep it ambiguous until the end, it's not gonna change anything.
And i need to say that i kinda dislike director utsumi lol

No. 169463

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>>169454
>>169455
>>169456
lets not devolve into this, I think culturally what's considered normal and "god" in the west is a bit different from the rest of the world
I posted in another thread but men in my third world african country literally walk around holding hands, they hug each other and kiss each other one the cheeks but they would beat and lynch any man if they knew he was gay
homosexuality is viewed as so unnatural that If you see two men holding hands and think "they might be gay." cause homosexuality is considered a non-thing really
In the West , it's more of a tell, so people avoid it for fear of looking gay.

No. 169464

>>169463
>I posted in another thread but men in my third world african country literally walk around holding hands, they hug each other and kiss each other one the cheeks but they would beat and lynch any man if they knew he was gay
But we're talking about weebshit?

No. 169465

>>169463
delete this, this thread isnt about real world men. theyre disgusting

No. 169466

>>169454
It's fujobait, a lot of shows do this. The main offenders are shit like HxH, Haikyuu etc. Japanese fujos buy merch for their ships and it's very profitable.

>>169463
No one cares about real life men. Yaoi men are written by women.

No. 169481

>>169449
I wouldn’t mind stories featuring trans characters but it always centers around “muh binder, muh hormones, etc”. It reads like someone fetishizing them and it’s gross, just write them like normal people. There’s no reason why, I don’t fucking know, kaiji, would bring up how his binder hurts during the story. Why? What?

No. 169483

>>169481
because of narcissism and projection.
90% of aidens are just weeaboos who think they can become their fav anime boy or reenact their bl fantasies with some poor faggot(or each other)

No. 169485

>>169463
this shit doesn't happen in japan so your point? no one does this outside of middle schoolers who see it as a fun joke. salarymen, adults, they don't do it
and i was talking about muh special amazing soulmate bond not skinship

No. 169486

>>169466
>haikyuu
naahh it's not fujobait, i watched all the seasons and it has zero fanservice

No. 169490

only the stage play is extremely gay but i mean, theatre kids are always like that so it's whatever. furudate is obviously a man (i don't buy the rumours they're a woman) so it's unlikely he ever intended to pander to the fujo crowd instead i felt like he tried to pander to the shoujo crowd with yachi but kinda forget about her and didn't even pair her with anyone in the end lol… don't tell the other haikyuu fans but he sucks at writing women

No. 169497

>>169428
Disagree on the west. There was Kirk/Spock fanfic in the late sixties, and you could technically call Mary Renault a fujoshi. Gay shipping is just something some nerdy women do.

I think it's uncommon in Islamic countries because of how homophobic their culture is and how women there are strongly discouraged from expressing their sexualities. If they were more secular like the U.S. or Japan, you'd probably see fujos there too. I've also met a ton of Russian fujoshis in recent years.

No. 169498

>>169497
idk why people try to psychoanalyze fujos when history has proven that women of all races enjoy homoeroticism, even if for some of them is a guilty pleasure or they're simply in denial. no one tries to explain why men like lesbian porn

No. 169499

>>169498
Right. Its not that deep

No. 169503

I'm gonna say that it's usually other women who get worked up over fujos because they aren't following their conventional m/f ships

No. 169505

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>>169503
most women who are normies don't give a shit but find it strange, I think its mostly SJW-Liberal

No. 169506

>>169504
I disagree, the shoujo/otome fans tend to be very hateful towards us

No. 169530

>>169498
>>169499
It's not a yes or no question, for some people it is that deep. A lot of lesbian fujos found their sexuality by connecting with other girls via fujo stuff, almost all weeb lesbians I know today got their first girlfriend that way. And naturally because the female sexuality is repressed a lot BL does hold a deep meaning to a lot of women who want to explore their own sexual preferences and relationship needs in a way that doesn't sexualize, objectify or judge women in any way. If you're just one of those "I just like looking at hot men lol" types then great but BL was originally born from a need for female liberation and sisterhood and that's what it is for plenty of fujos even today.

No. 169544

>>169530
the irony that current young ~wlws~ target older lesbian fujos

No. 169547

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is there anyone sharing/selling scans of bonus leaflets?

No. 169563

>>169547
I think the problem is that you need to buy several physical copies of the manga to get the leaflets and I would think that most scanlators (who would be the ones to upload stuff like that) would rather go for the digital version. Which sometimes includes extra pages as well, but it's usually not as extensive as physical copies.

No. 169573

>>169547
Secondhand ones are usually sold separate from the manga on Surugaya and Mandarake

No. 169575

can anyone drop what they are reading currently or recently read I want recs

No. 169582

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>>169575
This one is about a slutty camboy and a jaded tired journalist for a gossip magazine.
Two chapters already translated on MD, totally recommended.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/079726c7-2fae-4fe9-af8a-b47bf90d33a4/6

No. 169583

>>169025
nonny are you still up to talk about RN9
I finished the game earlier this year and had my fills of discussing spoilers with my friend
what stuck out for me was how the two of them would never develop into legit romantic relationship. IIRC even in the true ending, it was more about them just appreciating each other for being alive and still remained the bro4life status.
now I think back again, the writing was pretty smart in keeping their relationship meaning without devolve too much into tropey romantic sentimentality.
I had read some short stories from the magazine (I forgot the name), where Daichi was nostalgic about Seiji being his best friend - despite him being the poor, bastard kid. While seiji was smart and coming from a rich family.

wow i could go in lengths LOL, serious but not serious the unskippable scat scene in every route will never escape my brain

No. 169590

>>169530
I think any Psychoanalysis of modern Fujos is going to be inherently difficult and more inaccurate then not, all I'm interested is the cultural factors that led to BL starting and how it took off in Japan and East Asia

No. 169626

>>169582
The link doesn’t work nonnie type the name out?

No. 169640

>>169626
oof sorry, i forgot mangadex is blocked in some countries
Obake Yori Kowai Mono by Yukigumi Um

No. 169648

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>>169056
I agree! I really liked how they write the characters in this game, if they'd gone the lovers ending route a lot of the immersion would've been destroyed for me, I think.

>>169583
Fuck yes anon, I still can't get this shit out of my head and my one friend who knows my degen fujo side is sick of hearing me whine about Seiji. Did you play the game in Japanese by any chance? There's something bothering me and it's an autistically small detail but I'll just repost what I posted in /blog/ on 4chan and unfortunately never got a response to:

Also, if someone has the Japanese version, could you tell me what the ending scene (true end) actually says, please? I can read a bit of jp but not enough to play a whole vn and I had a feeling throughout the whole game that the localization was too liberal and may have ruined some of the nuances in the original text. My suspicions were confirmed (?) I found a blog that described the ending as
"It’s time to part and as Seiji almost vanishes Daichi stops him and tells him ‘see you’ and Seiji smiles and returns ‘yeah, see you’. Daichi thinks he saw a shadow pass over his face."

But the English version doesn't mention anything of the sort and just says the door closes as Seiji smiles back.


If you/any other anon could enlighten me on this I'd be very grateful! This has bothered me for days. I unironically picked up my Japanese studies again because this game's localization made me seethe due to how liberal the translations worth. No one will ruin my gay porn with shitty translations again.

Anyway back on RN9, I could go on in lengths about this game too! I don't know why but this game legit embedded itself in my brain and I can't stop thinking about their relationships and imagine what I would do if I was stuck in a situation like that with a friend myself.Once I did that it was pretty easy to see why writing a lover's ending would've been cheap and unbelievable. I like their friendship a lot! After completing the game, I found these extra art of them hanging out and man the artist did a really good job showing the nuances in their interactions. I…I know I'm over-analyzing a game that's 70% gay porn.

No. 169652

>>169648
I'm this anon >>169583
omg anon we should add discord or something lol. The game did stuck in my head in a couple of days, I drew a few fan arts too (including lewd ones) but never published them anywhere and only showed to my fellow degen fujo friends.
Would you like to elaborate what you meant by the translation being liberal? I own the JPN copy and only finished route A (?) iirc the one where the two of them got out, seiji went full do-M and daichi basically dead inside
I'd say the translation is pretty accurate, as for expression-wise, I'd say the quality in No, Thank You was been better for me (Which I'm not so sure since it's been Years and my standards have changed since). Clockup games are 70% porn and I understand when translating them could get fatigued quickly.

If you have the exact quotes in Japanese, few free to paste in here and I can interpret it in how I understand it. also because I'm super lazy to go through 12 hours of gay porn to get to that ending again lmao i didn't 100% in the japanese version
IMO when I read Daichi and Seiji dialogues they have a lot kind of casual language whereas I could relate better in my native language (not english), sort of rude-like college students speak to each other. Daichi's inner monologue is filled with envy and admiration towards Seiji, it's INSANE. Seiji's monologue is harder for me to interpret because of bocchan jargons.

No. 169666

>>169648
Nta but I also played RN9 and while I loved the game's concept and Seiji and Daichi's relationship, the english translation bothered me too. Even aside it being too liberal it's also full of typos and I wonder if the japanese dialoge is as repetitive, for some reason I got really annoyed by Daichi's english monologue saying that "his stomach felt like it was full of lead" SEVERAL times at different occasions kek.

I also really wished the gore was stronger. I felt like Seiji's tasks were a lot worse and creative than Daichi's compare them with pissing, scat, strangling and almost torture and yeah…. We can't even choose Daichi's last task either, right? And it's the only one that could be truly gory. Idk I went into it expecting both hardcore porn and gore and I was disappointed by the latter.

No. 169693

>>169666
NTA and I agree with the lack of gore despite the PR (and cover art) was sooo blatant and shameless about it.
I and my friends also complained about not able to pick the last option that was the most brutal toward seiji, and could fuck daichi mentally For life and my inner do-S was really rooting for that. The director mentioned that they had to scrap a scenario where they're chained to each other and basically LARPing as dogs as a requirement… Gods I want it so bad.
If you're planning to play lkyt. I heard the torture and gore is much ramped up in it.

No. 169696

>>169575
I’ve shilled it on /y/ a million times but I really like Asada Nemui’s Living Dead, it’s an ongoing series about a teacher who gets murdered and brought back to life by a scientist. None of the BL scenes have been consensual and it has gore so it’s not for everyone.

I also liked Call by the same mangaka, it’s about a NEET that pretends to be a call boy to get money and free food from a salaryman. Unexpected gay feelings ensue when he starts liking being a top. It’s not translated though.

No. 169697

>>169696
huge fan of Asada Nemui! That reminds me I need to keep up with her digital book release.
never got to read Call but now I have to check it out. I love the tension in these manga, the art style is unique and moody and really bring well the horror atmosphere they were going for.

No. 169704

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>>169575
I am in love with 4 Week Lovers. It’s a manhua about two boys, Dojun and Jaehee (picrel) who attended the same high school, and now they go to college together. Jaehee is in love with Dojun and pursues him relentlessly. When Jaehee breaks his wrist/arm saving Dojun from a fall, he basically coerces Dojun into dating him for four weeks as payback (with the ultimate goal of Dojun agreeing to be his boyfriend forever). I’m usually into nasty shit with lots of noncon but this series is so fucking cute, I don’t even know how many times I’ve reread it while waiting for updates. Good art and good porn make him for the meh plot. I think it’s a super cute light read. Currently being translated. An official English release was slated for this past April/May but it never came for some reason.

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/4_week_lover/

No. 169722

>>169704
I try not to judge but fucking Hell how does anyone tolerate "that" art style
just looking at it give's me headache

No. 169723

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>>169722
Does this not excite you?

No. 169724

>>169722
I WAS THINKING THE SAMe like listen I love beefcakes but the art really comes off awkward and weird to me. Is he sitting on some dude's crotch im so confused

No. 169746

>>169693
They're really scrapping the best stuff.
And yeah I can't wait for lkyt (or is it actually out already?), the boys all look nice and the setting's great. I'm also planning on playing/looking up a walkthrough of No, Thank you! since many people think it's better than RN9.

No. 169767

>>169583
everyone seems to enjoy that it ended up in a bros relationship but i was very disappointed lol. after all the sex scenes there would be no realistic way for them to end in good terms anyway
idk it all felt like meaningless sex to me

No. 169768

at the very least, them developing feelings for each other would make more sense than weird mindbreak

No. 169769

and i felt like they made way too much of a big deal over fucking, this paired with daichi being constantly in denial and mentioning girls at any chance was kinda annoying. also seiji felt very dull

No. 169770

This room room no 9 stuff really makes me wanna play it… but i kinda spoiled it for myself after googling it. Wish i went in blind

No. 169771

>>169770
Same, I looked at all the screenshots on ehentai. Definitely expected more weird situations than what it has but it looks like something I’d play and I like that it solely focuses on two characters

No. 169772

>>169770
>>169771
overall i found it kinda tame. the sex scenes were actually average bdsm stuff. the only terrible part of the game was the scat scene but you can censor it thankfully. still very gross, but the game is nothing extreme and the gore is lowkey. the endings were kinda lackluster

No. 169776

wait you know what shocked me
the body hair, not something i usually see in a BL

No. 169778

>>169776
Can you maybe… write all of your thughts in one single post?
But yeah the body hair was a shock but I really liked it, it's my type of thing you know.

No. 169779

>>169778
sorry i got used to a chatting format lol

No. 169816

>>169772
I wonder if there are other otome bl games like it? With messed up plots and psychological theme? Anyone played something like that?

No. 169824

>>169816
togainu no chi and dmmd?

No. 169827

>>169816
>>169824
most yaoi games that have been localized are psychological and gory. there are the ones anon mentioned + sweet pool, hashihime, naked butlers, and no thank you (made by the people who made no9). they're all amazing

No. 169828

>>169827
>>169824
Thanks nonnas might spend the next weekend playing one of these kek

No. 169829

do you guys buy the games on steam or…

No. 169830

>>169481
00s fics had a lot of cutting and ed themes because that was what was going on with the writers (and audience). so hot anime men starved and cut themselves. now writers are gaydens so hot anime men are taking hormones and binding. lol.

>>169413
as a (worse) alternative, there is /blog/ on /jp/. but there was a nice anon posting matsus in /fujo/ i hope she's doing well.

No. 169831

>>169829
if you're buying from steam, you probably have the buy the uncensored patch from another site. depends on which game. its probably best to buy the whole digital game from jast or mangagamer (or physical if you're into that). if you're asking about pirating, anime-sharing has most vn games including BL ones

No. 169840

>>169481
youre not alone nonna. Even my trans friends are annoyed with the floods of these types of fics everywhere, most are straight up cuntboy porns without proper tagging. Hell, I can't even go to ao3 to look for a standard mlm fic like the 2000s anymore. I suspect zoomers and kinnies tbh.

No. 169894

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I'm so far removed from fandoms nowadays I just remember the trends that made me stop reading fanfics and paying attention to the most popular headcanons, but the last time I looked from fanfics was when Fire Emblem 3 Houses got released because of Sylvain/Felix and I remember that while the fics with the most kudos were mostly normal, once I checked the last updated fanfics it was fully of Felix untagged trans headcanons. Poor guy just happens to be shorter than the male characters he interacts with the most and he has long hair so it had to happen to him. Even though he 100% looks and acts like a guy and he has a deep voice in Japanese. So I guess this trend is still popular now, and for more and more pairings? Do you think this will ever stop? I miss the days when I read fanfics during my free time but I can't see myself going back to it anytime soon.

No. 169895

>>169894
Like >>169830 said back in the 00s it was all about cutting and emo shit so it's just another trend that will roll over once a new one sets in. Troonism is just today's fashion subculture so once young people will find other ways to express themselves it will take over once more. Back in the day people knew how to tag their dumbass fetishes though, not tagging trans headcanons is absolutely retarded even from a genderspecial point of view since it could ~trigger the reader's dysphoria~ to have PIV in a gay fic.

No. 169900

>>169894
i rped from fe3h when it was at its height and the amount of trans felix i saw was disturbing, but i could avoid them since i also rped felix. i did meet one sylvain rper who was an nb tif and who wanted to rope me into transboi felix but i declined. the one dimitri rper i wrote with the most was super terfy though so we had a lot of fun not only writing our ship but also making fun of trans headcanons.

No. 169921

>>169895
Yeah but this whole trans shit is now mainstream and politicized, and it's not just something that only affects teenagers and very young adults. It feels way more invasive than other "trends" and if you say you don't like reading straight sex scenes in a BL fanfic you're accused of wanting to commit genocide against trannies and fakebois.

>>169900
>i did meet one sylvain rper who was an nb tif and who wanted to rope me into transboi felix but i declined
I'm not surprised, the guys who have the most obnoxious fans are Sylvain (always badly written and woobified in fanfics), Felix (turned into a boring, unfunny tsundere, or into a depressed brocon and nothing more) or Ferdinand (he has long hair after the timeskip so he HAS to be a tranny!!1!). Thank god my husbando Dedue was spared from this mess. Actually I said I saw trans Felix fanfics all the time on AO3 because they weren't tagged but I also saw a bunch of NSFW fanarts like this on twitter, also untagged. I unfollowed so many people after that. It's a shame that this happens to the game that has a famous BL artist as the character designer.

No. 169929

>>169894
Is there any fanart compilations for FE3H or any imageboards that won't have surprise vaginas? I'm a new fan and twitter is hell to sift through. I just want to see cute and hot Hubert/Ferdinand pics.

No. 169931

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just started playing dmmd and koujaku's birb is such a baddie kek

No. 169951

>>169931
hope you enjoy dmmd anon! i remember i went in blind and ended up w mink as my first route, i was annoyed to say the least. i still maintain that noiz is the best route

No. 169952

>>169931
I hope you enjoy Aoba's sweet moans anon.

Also Clear best boy.

No. 169956

>>169931
you have a long ways to go, i wish i could play it for the first time again. also these anons seem to be confused about the best route, it's the dog!

No. 169968

>>169931
Love DMMD going to play it again in Japanese at some point. Noiz best boi

No. 169975

>>169894
God, poor Felix. Half of the kinkmeme requests are about wanting to see him as a tranny getting raped and/or impregnanted by Sylvain or Dimitri, and a good chunk of ao3/fanart is of this shit as well. Manlets can't catch a break.

No. 169999

>>169975
He isn't even really a manlet. He's just an average guy who's surrounded by guys who are at least 1m85 all the time. Poor Felix indeed kek.

No. 170001

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>>169999
saw this exact scenario play out in the new vegas fandom, Vulpes Inculta is a commander in caesar's legion, he genocides an entire town after crucifying them and likely has slaves that he abuses but on tumblr they've turned into an uwu softboy who was raised to be like this cause he was taken into the legion when he was a child but mainly cause he has a slightly shorter character model

No. 170045

I finished noiz's route and where are his piercings and emo clothes????

No. 170050

>>170045
That's why you should have done the robot anon.

No. 170055

>>169894
This is a cute picture of Felix, thank you.

I'm still in the 3h fandom, my favorites are Dedue/Dimitri and Ferdinand/Hubert. I've thought about writing fanfics but sometimes it just seems to bleak, like… I wouldn't write about trans shit so I don't think they'd get any recognition.

>>169929
Korean and Japanese artists are still regularly producing good fanart for them! There's a lot of them on twitter, you just have to dig around. Pixiv is also a good place but I wouldn't browse there without premium.

No. 170060

>>170001
my eyes start to dilate the moment i saw "communist manifesto"
what the hell with this intense fetish towards communism, as someone who lives in a communist country that cosplays as socialist. this shit is making me bald.

No. 170070

>>170060
it's the only thing they have against capitalism i guess, but they don't realize it's just as evil

No. 170072

>>170045
Hey nonnie don't play his route in reconnect.
t. Someone whose favorite boy used to be Noiz

No. 170082

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>>170070
for real, ntayrt but I told someone how rude it was to prop up communism as some utopic thing when I had my family members tortured to death under our countries commie regime, and you know what they told me this little yank? That it doesn't matter that millions of people died, like wow how heartless and they were 31 btw so not even some dipshit teen. Sorry for the derailing, to contribute I was looking at Slam Dunk and found this - anyone still in the fandom?

No. 170086

>>170082
Closet fujoshi here but I have an ancestor who had to flee Communist Russia because his work went against the official "scientific" doctrines, and he refused to change his ways.

No. 170089

>>170086
anon I misread this as your poor ancestor fleeing because they were a fujoshi, my bad

No. 170093

>>170060
>>170082
What I find most bizarre is when LGBT are the one's advocating for Communism and I'm like WTF, communists considered Homosexuality "bourgeois decadence" and considered it a plight to the working class, this was the position American Maoist faction on Homosexuality

>"Homosexuality is a response – consciously or not – to a male supremacist society. Because it is a response to oppressive institutions and oppressive relationships it is not necessarily a progressive response or one that challenges the power of the monopoly capitalist…. As our relationships become unstable, people – particularly the petty bourgeoisie, which has more leisure time – scramble about in a desperate attempt to find some meaning in their lives. Today people are grasping at all kinds of straws, at exotic religious sects, mysticism, drugs, pornography, promiscuity, sex orgies, trotskyism, etc….. In posing an individual solution to the contradictions of monopoly capitalism, homosexuality is an ideology of the petty bourgeoisie, and must be clearly distinguished from proletarian ideology…. While gay people can be anti-imperialists, we feel that they cannot be Communists. To be a Communist, we must accept and welcome struggle in all facets of our lives, personal as well as political…. We feel that the best way to struggle out contradictions in our personal lives is in stable monogamous relationships between men and women based on mutual lives and respect. Because homosexuals do not carry the struggle between men and women into their most personal relationships they are not prepared, in principle, for the arduous task of class transformation

>When homosexuality is raised to a principle, when the banner of 'gay is good' is raised as a strategy for defeaing imperialism, then it becomes a reactionary force retarding the struggle of the working class and of the people as a whole….The only real liberation, the only road to real happiness for homosexuals – like all people caught in the mire and muck of bourgeois decadence – is to eliminate the reactionary, rotting system that drives them to homosexuality; and to build a new society, under the rule of the working class, that promotes working class culture and ideology…in opposition to selfishness, self-indulgence and the decadence of individualism and exploitative relations."

and that was pretty much the standard view around the Communist world

No. 170097

>>170089
I did too LOL

No. 170102

>>170072
NTA but im so tempted to spoil OP of noiz route of reconnect
especially the CG of when hes sitting down to talk with grandma which ran as a meme in the fandom for weeks, it's so fucking hilarious to me even now

Man I was in dmmd fandom and got a few friends from it but for some reasons I never ran into the drama which seemed to happen constantly at the time. Any of the nonna can recall the instances?

No. 170116

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this would be a beautiful list if that crack self-insert gojo ship didn't exist

No. 170120

>>170093
Reject communism, embrace BL

No. 170125

>>170120
well I'm DemSoc so hope that counts, in my shitty 3rd world nation there's no real difference between the Communists, Arabists and Islamists, they are all violent fuckheads who beat up people they dislike

No. 170138

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So I finished dmmd! The first time I heard about this game was back in 2013? I was baby and I thought it's supposed to be some sort of "hardcore yaoi" game kek I knew some stuff about it so right now I can't say that I went in fully blind but it exceeded my expectations. I absolutely love the art direction, the emo scene(?) fashion style mixed with y2k is kinda nostalgic. I'm glad it had a solid plot instead of it just being pwp but if i had something to criticize, I wish the individual routes were longer. They felt kinda short and besides Clear's route which had a small gimmick, it was too easy to get the good ending. So yeah I wish that part was more developed… but overall it was really enjoyable and much to my surprise, it had a ton of wholesome moments?? Some of the sex scenes were heartwarming ngl.
My favorite is Clear but i liked Ren's route the most. But I wish I didn't knew his route existed beforehand. It's probably better if you start the game without being aware of any spoilers. Btw Noiz's bad ending was the most shocking part for me cause I didn't expect that amount of gore.Also that pierced dick lol.Koujaku's bad ending was kinda underwhelming.
You know after playing dmmd I wonder why couldn't nitro chiral continue releasing similar BL games. I didn't play slow damage but I don't think it has dmmd's charm…

No. 170149

>>170093
When wokies talk about communism they mean an utopian dream where they can laze around in a queer communal mansion where all housework is done by someone else, their bourgeois hormone and surgery treatments are paid by the state and the only thing they're expected to "contribute" to society is posting hot takes on twitter and hawking shitty Aliexpress jewellery with trans flags. Not the kind where they would be assigned to a factory job and receive food rations kek. Capitalism deserves criticism but these people are just a different shade of selfish ultraconsoomerism.

sage because why the fuck are we talking about communism in the BL thread

No. 170156

>>170149
I mean I kinda wanna make a Marx x Engels doujin tho, going to reread some Clamp for insp lmaoo

No. 170164

>>170138
>You know after playing dmmd I wonder why couldn't nitro chiral continue releasing similar BL games. I didn't play slow damage but I don't think it has dmmd's charm…
I've seen some gameplay of Slow Damage and I agree, so far it doesn't have the same charm. Doesn't help that all the love interests seem kinda bland and the edgy aesthetic isn't for me.
But I'm glad you enjoyed DMMD anon! It will always have a place in my heart not only because of the degenerate memes but because it's just so unique and weirdly wholesome compared to other BL games.

No. 170182

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Just in case you didn't know, there was a new volume of Oni to Tengoku called 鬼と天国 再 released in Japan today!
In the author's notes in the back it is mentioned there'll be at least one more after this one.
They're still super cute together, though since they're officially dating there's of course less power dynamic stuff going on. But they still both have issues so it's fine.

No. 170183

>>170182
I have both volumes in French because I can't access MRM and it's badly translated scans anymore where I am, I hope the sequels will be officially release over here as well.

No. 170185

>>170183
talking about badly scans manga. I remembered awhile back on MRM there would be a trend of scanslations where a page suddenly got repeated in a middle of a chapter because a fan contributor wanted to color that page. It was really disruptive to the pace. Not to mention other intrusive "T/N: X character is so hot 0///0" which just pissed me off.
This is why I stopped going to MRM for a couple of years now and just buy directly from mangaka, especially when magazine ebooks are more available now than before.

No. 170186

>>170156
please do, that sounds hilarious!

No. 170188

>>170183
I'm so jealous of the French BL market, you get all the good shit translated! The other day I checked what BL I like was translated into German (so I could recommend it to a friend) and it was like one series…

No. 170229

I wanted to play an otome game out of curiosity and it was so poorly written and trashy, it baffles me that people who enjoy that dare to shit on us BL fans lmao

No. 170230

>>170188
It's because the manga market in France in general is huge since the 90s at the very least. Literally a country of weaboo, even Macron tried to attract young voters for 2022 by implying he like Attack on Titan or One Piece or some shit.

No. 170237

>>170229
Ok but which one, there's a worlds difference between Bad Apple Wars and Hakuouki

No. 170243

>>170185
The color pages are so cringe, they still do it sometimes too.

No. 170246

>>170229
>>170237
I mean dislike playing those types of games in general, If there was a matchmaking dating simulator game where you pair of different people, I'd happily play it
but activelt being one character, reading dialogue, its just tedious and not my cup of tea

No. 170247

>>170229
Inb4 anon says she read some mobile game or something.

No. 170251

>>170229
I don't like otoge too much because they feel too real and it hurts my fragile heart. Self inserting is not for me.

No. 170259

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name a bigger cuck

No. 170260

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>>170246
>If there was a matchmaking dating simulator game where you pair of different people, I'd happily play it
Kitty power’s matchmaker is the only thing I could think of, and it’s pretty much just a shitpost game.

No. 170270

>>170260
This was such a fun game

No. 170357

I'm watching a playthrough of togainu no chi and keisuke is a total dumbass but i'm also frustrated at akira for not being able to communicate properly at all

No. 170368

>>170357
They're both equally autistic, thatks why they're made for each other. Keisuke being voiced by Sugita will always make me laugh idk why. It kinda ruined the point of this character because I'm too used to Sugita voicing stupid characters in comedy anime and video games.

No. 170395

>>170368
>sugita
oh so that's why his voice sounded so familiar…

No. 170619

>>170357
>>170368
>not watching togainu no chi for shiki
…?

No. 170681

>>170619
I'm watching his route now

No. 170686

>>170619
Shiki was annoying as fuck, literally the only good thing about him is Hikaru Midorikawa. He'd be cool and edgy if he were a standard antagonist in a more family friendly JRPG maybe, but the whole route being about rape got old very fast and the really shitty endings made me feel like I wasted my time, especially the one where he's brain dead because he finds killing people boring or some shit. Motomi and Keisuke have the best routes imo.

No. 170713

>>170357
Akira has fight autism, he only wants to fight hard.

No. 170714

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>>170619
>not watching togainu no chi for Rin
…?

No. 170758

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New VN with the hashihime artist, praying this gets a translation because fang boi is a QT.

No. 170775

>>170714
Finally someone with fine taste

No. 171113

>>170758
What is this called? He looks super cute.

No. 171168

>>169335
kek same. Everyone freaking out about the ugly bastard gangbang are a bunch of sissies. The only thing that got me was the ass gore, but he had that shit coming.

No. 171345

>>171113
uuultra c

No. 171365

>>170714
Jesus seeing this screenshot awakened my 2010s "don't like, don't read" high school senior inner fujo. It also makes me realize that Aoba in DMMD was completely a bottom in all of his routes, not that his performance wasn't great, but I miss romanceable uke characters like Rin.

No. 171450

>>171365
Right? I think it's a lot more interesting to have the protagonist be a switch rather than just bottom in every relationship…

No. 171508

Dramatical Murder is supposed to be 20% off so maybe I'll buy it after work. Knowing that the woman who translated it said the Fire Emblem Fated localization was good worries a little but the Togainu no Chi and Sweet Pool official English translations didn't seem too weird to me so idk.

No. 171933

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I have read over 200 BL manga this year. I'm going to hell.
You can find the whole list here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_26IlWIXomL3MPjww3kA9s9tp5PytSXOKwtF2wH-yNk/

The ones I liked are marked with ❤︎ in this post. Post picture is ❤︎ 素人ヤンキー♂危機一発!! Shirouto yankii ♂ Kiki ippatsu!!

可愛いから君がわるい Kawaii kara kimi ga warui 稔ねんこ Nen Nenko
Twins (male and female) have a childhood friend. Male twin thinks childhood friend is into female twin, but childhood friend is actually into male twin. Hijinks. Boring hijinks. idk.

未熟なトローチ Mijuku na Troche 水城ゆたか Mizuki Yutaka
Medical intern is goaded into using a thinly veiled compensated dating app, believing it to be an app for young people to find a mentor. He meets with a high school student who is dreaming of studying medicine and they very slowly begin a relationship. This was actually pretty nice and very wholesome.

❤︎ かじつ Kajitsu 阿部はちた Abe Hachita
Two boys used to be step-brothers before their parents divorced. One visits the other over the summer and admits his feelings to him. The setting was quite nice, they're located in Okinawa, and I liked the pace of the story. The boys look pretty young, but that's just the art style.

❤︎ けものあそび Kemono Asobi もちの米 Mochino Kome
Boy from a god family is actually aroused by pain. Creeps his way into a delinquent's life. This was actually pretty cute, I like when mean guys are actually just hurt (uwu).

俺のおにくちゃん Ore no Oniku-chan もちの米 Mochino Kome
Popular uni student from a good family used to be fat and ugly, but isn't anymore. When he was fat, a kid from school used to spend time with him, but hasn't contacted him since his graduation. They meet again, with uni student now being hot, but turns out the school friend is actually into fat people. Kind of weird, but fun enough.

エッチなことおしえてください Ecchi na koto oshiete kudasai 晴屋うまこ Hareya Umako
Tale as old as time: Virgin goes to prostitute to learn about sex, actually falls in love with prostitute. No surprises, but good enough.

シュガーとマスタード Sugar to Mustard はなさわ浪雄 Hanasawa Namio
Dom/Sub Universe. Sub is matched with a Dom who was socialised as a sub (something about there not being enough subs to go around) and decides to make him into his perfect Dom. Cute.

Introduction Introduction 春田 Haruta
Collection of short stories. Model falls in love with his editor (which is the one I bought this for) / two high school boys confess their love / dry cleaner falls in love with a customer / University student falls in love with another student who is into photography / guy is cheated on by his girlfriend with his best friend, goes to a club, gets consoled by a guy's dick / Delivery man gets it on with another delivery man who has a delivery staff uniform fetish / Assistant is in love with the author he assists. These varied quite a bit in how much I liked them, but that's always the risk with anthologies like this.

かわいいは僕のキズ Kawaii wa boku no kizu 如月マナミ 無理薫 Kisaragi Manami / Muri Kaoru
Two guys with a problem many LC users share: They are just too pretty. So they hide their faces in uni, but a crowded train demasks them to each other and they start getting closer. Actually pretty cute, even though the premise is as believable as Santa.

Hate my MIA! Hate my MIA! 人鳥ぺんぎん Hitotori Pengin
Dude masturbates to the softcore porn pictures his co-worker uploads, actually loathes said co-worker though. They end up fucking and falling in love, but somehow it's a snooze fest.

新芽のふたり Shinme no Futari 本間ぴるぱ Honma Pirupa
Two idols can't stand each other. Because one of them is photographed leaving a hotel with a woman, he is put on house arrest, with the other supervising him. They start having sex to alleviate sexual desire but later start dating. The other story is about an assistant director who works with an actor he's a fan of. Pretty standard stories but cute enough.

年下彼氏は宅配のお兄さんです。 Toshishita Kareshi wa Takuhaibin no Oniisan desu. 湯本みこ Yumoto Miko
Several short stories: A longhaired guy and his delivery company boyfriend, a gay guy who wakes up after having slept with his neighbour not remembering the events of the night, one guy in love with his childhood friend, a teacher with his former student. Sweet enough but didn't leave much of an impression.

見つけたボクのオメガ様 Mitsuketa boku no omega-sama 夏のティー Natsuno Tea
ABO. Omega used to be super cocky before being mercilessly bullied for being Omega, gets approached by former elementary school class mate Alpha. Alpha tries to make Omega fall for him and to make him cocky again. This was interesting as a thought experiment on what would happen in ABO realistically once the categorization is revealed, but other than that I didn't care for any of the characters.

❤︎ イキガミとドナー Ikigami to Donor 山中ヒコ Yamanaka Hiko
Sci-Fi in which countries fight wars with superpowered Ikigami, humans who can't be hurt by knives or explosions, are extremely strong and can fly. However, when they get hurt, normal medicine can't help them - they need a matching donor, who can heal them with bodily fluids (you know where this is going). A school teacher becomes the donor for an Ikigami. Surprisingly moving, I cried. Would recommend.

捨てないでマイヒーロー Sutenaide My Hero ひもだQ Himoda Q
ABO. Alpha is pursued by Omega he once protected in school, Omega promises to do everything for Alpha and later pressures the Alpha into biting him. Alpha is the uke and the relationship is actually kind of interesting/disfunctional.

先生、我慢できません Sensei, Gaman dekimasen Arinco Arinco
ABO. Alpha who is immune to pheromones teaches at a school for omegas and betas. All the kids in school fall in love with him, but as he doesn't smell the pheromones it doesn't cause him any trouble. Until of course he does smell one kid. Alpha teacher is the uke, but other than that it was kind of boring.

君はアルファ Kimi wa Alpha アサナエアラタ Asanae Arata
ABO. Two boys going to an elite school for Alphas, one turns into an omega by some medical shenanigans. Meh.

怒った顔もエロいです Okotta kao mo eroi desu ウノハナ Unohana
A TV producer who always gets angry at his assistant director at work, but actually they sleep together. The TV producer is afraid of the dark because of some trauma, information the AD first uses to ask him for sex. Nice angry uke. Not completed so far.

❤︎ 社長、おすわりの時間です Shachou, osuwari no jikan desu めがね Megane
Dom/sub. A sub company boss gets a new dom secretary. To stop the boss from having random hookups with doms, the secretary offers to take care of him. Nice dynamic. Incomplete.

❤︎ 素人ヤンキー♂危機一発!! Shirouto yankii ♂ Kiki ippatsu!! 八百 Yao
Yankii gets roped into doing porn with a popular porn actor. If you like seeing tough guys squirm and cry - 10/10.

エッチな彼氏は雄っぱいが好き Ecchi na kareshi wa oppai ga suki すーざん Suuzan
Personal trainer at a gym is interested in his latest client, turns out the client is interested in him too - especially his pecs. The drawing style isn't really my thing, but other than that it's quite inoffensive.

俺を見て。 Ore o mite. 百瀬あん Momose An
Friends since childhood, one in love with the other who he thinks is straight. One day he sees him kiss a man and decides to take action, and they make out but can't have sex because trauma or something. Two years later, they rekindle their relationship. IDK, the drama seemed quite fabricated and I couldn't really get invested in the characters. This is Momose An's first book, she got better ones.

年上彼氏のヤバイ性癖 Toshiue kareshi no yabai seiheki さばみそ Sabamiso
Young boy is lured into the home of a programmer with promises of video games (it's fine though, the programmer is hot and also the uke) and they start a relationship. The seme is in middle school, so maybe not quite shota? No idea honestly. Uke has a past of abuse. This was actually pretty good. Second story included is of a high schooler with a muscle fetish who gets a classmate to pose for pictures and measurements. Didn't like that one.

カラーにくちづけ Collar ni kuchizuke OOY OOY
Dom/sub universe. Sub was forcibly given a collar when he was in high school and he is unhappy with his relationship. During his job as a babysitter he meets a kind Dom who writes Dom/sub novels. The main couple was pretty cute together. I'll never understand why in BL involving children 5-year-olds are the same size as literal babies.

兄貴の一番おいしいところ Aniki no ichiban oishii tokoro 瑞原ザクロ Mizuhara Zakuro
Twins, one who is very talented with kyudo but useless in basically anything else, and one who has a serious brother-complex and does everything for his brother and is secretly in love with him. idk, I couldn't really get interested in the characters and twincest is maybe not my favourite trope either.

白峰くんはケモノに癒されたい Shiromine-kun wa kemono ni iyasaretai 桃季さえ Momoki Sae
Overworked office worker finds an invitation to a special relaxing space on his desk. Turns out it's a super immersive video game which also has an adult mode. This was so weird and bad, suddenly it turns out there are human/animal hybrids in the real world but also not and one of the office worker's co-workers is some kind of prince or whatever and… head scratch inducing.

今夜ベッドで待っていろ Kon'ya Bed de matteiru 斉川冬 Saikawa Fuyu
Two high schoolers who are dating - they should be so happy, but the seme evades all advances by the uke. Turns out, he's kind of afraid of breaking the small uke with his gigantic dick. As you are. Nice if you're into size differences, the uke was a bit too cute/female-coded for me.

黒猫は狼王子の夢を見るか Kuroneko wa Ookami Ouji no Yume o miru ka 野津ウドン Notsu Udon
Catboy always dreamt of one day finding his prince, finds him in a gay porn actor wolfboy. However when they meet and have sex by plot magic, wolfboy isn't as nice as expected. Catboy was pretty cute.

バイ・マイ・サイド By my Side ナツメカズキ Natsume Kazuki
Grown up childhood friends who live next door to each other, one day one of them sees the other masturbating and calling his name. A bit more realistic take on what would happen in a situation like this, even if both parties are interested. I like BL with grown-ups who react somewhat like actual people.

従順にワンと言って Juujun ni wan to itte 中川カネ子 Nakagawa Kaneko
A weird man comes into the police box of a young police officer at night and violates him (with a pen?!). Turns out the man is a detective of high rank, and he keeps coming to the young police officer. Tone-wise this was pretty weird, at some point they're suddenly in love. Also involves another short story about guys who monitor an experiment in which two guys are put in a room and told that they can only leave after a few days - unless they have sex, in which case they can leave immediately. Also involves another short story in which a couple isn't having sex yet and one of the guys finds onahos in the other's home. The sex parts in general are pretty good, the rest is meh.

教室を出たら俺のモノ Kyoushitsu o detara ore no mono しえろ Shiero
Super popular student is actually having sex with a non-popular classmate. Quite a lot of sex, I found the couple quite cute.

蜜果 Mitsuka akabeko akabeko
Host's boyfriend is the manager of a gay brothel. I don't even know what else to write about it, it's not bad though.

嫌いな上司は秘密のオナフレ Kirai na joushi wa himitsu no onafure KINACO KINACO
Two stories about masturbation in the workplace: Salaryman is found by a coworker after masturbating on the toilet and gets blackmailed into doing sexual things with him (and they of course fall in love because this is BL). Another salaryman wants someone to fuck him, goes to a gay bar, meets his boss, they fuck (and fall in love because this is BL). Kind of standard fare.

後藤さんは俺を買いたい Goto-san wa ore wo kaitai めがね Megane
Man goes into a gay bar and asks a high schooler there to let him buy him. The high schooler reminds the man of his first love. They start sleeping together for money, but of course feelings and whatever. Younger seme and glasses uke, not bad.

チャンネル登録よろしくね Channel touroku yoroshiku ne 三尾じゅん太 Mio Junta
Student has a YouTube account with his girlfriend, after she breaks up with him his friend offers to help out and they end up having a gay couple YouTube channel. This one felt like the writer expected there to be more than one volume, some loose threads and the friend character is implied to be of questionable morality which is never explored.

オオカミくんは俺しかいらない Ookami-kun wa ore shika iranai 美和 Miwa
Good-looking guy who had planned on being popular in high school has stopped growing, wants to learn to be manly to get female attention by copying a classmate. It does not go as expected.

スロー・ラブ・ライフ Slow Love Life 三木原針 Mikihara Shin
Man opens a restaurant in the boonies, gets helped out by a younger guy. They slowly develop a relationship. This was pretty cozy, I liked it.

アイドル君は暴かれたい Idol-kun wa abakaretai 縞ほっけ Shimahokke
Paparazzi is trying to land a scoop, turns out he used to go to the same school as a famous idol. When he meets said idol during his work, he gets invited into the idol's home, gets drunk and they fuck - which the paparazzi obviously tries to use for his big break. I like idol BL, this was pretty standard fare but cute enough.

No. 171949

>>171933
Thank you for your work nonna may the yaoi god watch over you

No. 171976

>>171933
I want to hurry and get better at Japanese so I can drown myself in yaoi just like you anon

No. 171980

>>171933
where are you reading them?

No. 172013

>>171980
I pay money for them.
Most I buy digitally on CMOA, some I buy physical copies from second hand stores and some I rent from Tsutaya. I live in Japan so access is not a problem at all. Which is a problem in itself.

No. 172044

>>172013
How many BL manga do you have so far? Since most books are covered in plastic in Japanese bookstores I was worried about buying BL I wouldn't like just based on the cover back when I was in Japan. So I just bought things I already read online for free and that weren't released yet in my country. Which I kinda regret because these manga were released literally right after I went back to my country and they're uncensored, and the translations are good.

No. 172058

>>172044
Digitally way over a hundred, physically it's 6 right now. I tend to read them and then sell them again. I read a lot of stuff that's not that great. Not actively bad, but also not something I'll remember. So yeah, I've spent way too much money on shit I didn't enjoy that much, but such is life.
In general I buy by author if I liked something by them before, or if someone recommends something (nonnas in this thread as well!) I'll give it a look. And then of course there are books I buy just by cover or the free samples, and sometimes that can be money down the drain. Chil Chil is also a pretty great resource if you're looking for something specific.

No. 172059

>>172058
I should check Chil Chil again, I followed them on Twitter long ago but I'm too lazy to practice reading Japanese since I forgot so many kanji.

No. 172094

has anyone here made a compilation of BL vns reccs? I'm willing to play anything as long as it looks decent and has an eng translation
just no full blown barashit lol

No. 172095

>>172094
I think there's one on /blog/, I'll check it out if you want.

No. 172096

>>172095
>>172094
Samefag, there's this rec for both otoge and BL games, I found it on /blog/: https://pastebin.com/dDnYWGem

It's more about manga but there's this one from the BL discussion thread on /y/: https://controlc.com/d35582dd And then there's that one anon who posts on a regular basis about manga as well: >>171933

No. 172097

>>172096
thanks!

No. 172692

I've started hashihime and
I really like the atmosphere of the game, also because I'm a sucker for taisho era aesthetic. I'm gonna be honest, the time travel concept is kinda overdone but I like that it's a fresh take on it. I've reached the part where they kidnap Minakami and put him in a basement and I have no idea where they're heading with the plot lol.

No. 172753

>>172692
Glad to see others playing it! It’s one of my favorite VNs (at least for the first two routes) and I’m also very excited for their upcoming game!

No. 172754

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>>169894
i know this is a old post but thank you for speaking about this, its driven me insane past few months. I really miss the time when fe3h was at its peak hype and the amount of amazing fanfics including felix were coming out in rapid speed. I still love ships including felix but like you said nowadays its all tranny stuff and its common in western side of fanart twitter too. Hes a amazing character and did not deserve this treatment. I hope you can return to fanfics one day again anon

No. 172851

>>172753
I've finished minakami and kawase's routes and I wish kawase was a bit more brutal with tamamori during their sex scene kek. But on a more serious note so far it ended up having a ton of unexpected plot twists, it really is a good VN.

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>>172851
Minkami is the canon route but I’m more into Kawase honestly, probably because he doesn’t baby Tamamori honestly.

No. 172879

>>172864
Kawase is my favorite too cause I love their bickering. Also I finished hanazawa's route just now and what the hell was that ending.

No. 172895

>>172753
ntayrt what did you think of the true route?

No. 172901

I finished professor's route and tamamori is starting to get on my nerves. I really can't stand the obnoxious tsundere "i'm 100% straight" BL trope I know he's in love with minakami and supposed to be an asshole but the way he's written at times makes me want to smack him.

No. 172904

caught up with jjba, any anons have author recs for fic or smth? i’m new to jjba so idk how the fujoscene looks like for that yet.

No. 173175


No. 173205

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Shiki meme

No. 173261

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Hi I'm also here to blogpost about my hashihime playthrough, I just finished the first route last night and the biggest thing I noticed was that one of the H CG has Tamamori's foot backwards… Did no one notice? kek In general the faces are fine but the art is really wonky at times. I'll take it though.

I'm looking forward to Kawase's route the most and then the Professor's even though I've heard The first two routes are the best ones. Unfortunately, while the story was quite compelling, Tamamori's voice and personality (at times) annoyed the shit out of me for no discernable reason and while I liked Minakami, I didn't really feel THAT much for him. I'm also generally not a fan of 'muh fated lover reincarnated over and over' shit so it didn't really land for me personally. Now I'm going to go through the rest of the game and think about how I'm basically cucking Minakami in any route that's not his. Also, the hottest guy in the game so far is future Tamamori. What the fuck? I also did not expect to literally make no choices in the game, I went in blind and thought it was a normal VN.

I'll come back with more long thoughts after I finish the next route. Does anyone know if the switch version cut out the sex scenes? The JP trailer states the rating is CERO-D but the English desc of said trailer states 12+. I want to get my fujo friend who doesn't play VNs to play this. Thanks nonnas.

No. 173263

>>173261
if you think tamamori is annoying during minakami's route wait for the others because oh boy he gets worse

No. 173278

The only thing PH is good for is to upload sex scenes of gay vns and of course it has to delete them. I'm so fucking pissed off I can't find ONE complete playthrough of any bl vn.

No. 173302

>>173261
>I'm basically cucking Minakami in any route that's not his
This is pretty much stated in most of the routes aside from Kawase since Tamamori only seems to actually have romantic feelings for Minakami and Kawase while everyone else he just fucks because he's bored or he gets raped by

No. 173303

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I honestly never found Tamamori that annoying (aside from the 'I'm not gay but I fuck men' meme he has), I thought he was stupid yes but I genuinely felt bad for him a lot of the time and related to a lot of the stuff he was struggling with especially his whole 'I have no actual friends' stuff.

Anyway here's a cute but silly plushie of him.

No. 173309

>>173302
thats not true. he has real feelings for
kaoru as well kek

No. 173311

>>173309
sonhusband…… this paired with hanazawa's random rape scene and tamamori who reads like an early 2000s tsundere uke make me think that the creator is an old school fujo

No. 173340


No. 173343

>>173340
it keeps redirecting me saying its suspended

No. 173348

>>173340
It was working just a few mins ago, why is it a suspended website now?

No. 173360

>>173348
>>173343
It's still being coded and worked on

No. 173364

I've started sweet pool and i'm really digging the saya no uta vibes since it's one of my favorite horror series but god I wish the art looked different lmao

No. 173371

>>173364
That was my first reaction to Sweetpool as well, ngl it took some hours in game until I got used to the style, I still think it's fitting the atmosphere of the story.

No. 173374

alright it's best friend turning yandere time

No. 173387

>>173340
looks cute!

No. 173415

Horus finally arrived. I'm going to fucking explore

No. 173624

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I don't have anything to contribute except I'm replaying Pokemon Sun and reminded of how much I love this type of pairing. "Bad boy" getting dominated by a more prim and proper boy.

No. 173646

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anorectal violence

No. 173651

>>173646
This should be a banner nona kek

No. 173661

>>173624
Prime taste, I also thought the skull grunts would look cute with the aether employees when I played Moon

No. 174221

Fujochan is officially up and running

http://fujochan.org/

No. 174237

>>174221
not to nitpick but please choose darker font because i cant read anything on the front page at all.

No. 174310

>>174221
I'm in awe. Radfems couldn't get their imageboard yet the 10 lolcow fujos could. Good for you all.

No. 174313

>>174221
wow I can't belive someone actually made it, props. a /site/ board is the only thing missing.

No. 174333

>>174221
Does it have spoiler functions?

No. 174341

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>>174221
>click the link
>search around the site
>go to /ex/
>’how ‘extreme’ can it be? Probably Omega stuff lol’
>immediately greeted with shota shit
>immediately close tab

Is this stuff just going to be allowed on the site? I feel kinda grossed out by that tbh

No. 174342

>>174341
Immediately same

No. 174345

>>174341
>>174342
Idk, as long as it doesn't get the site yeeted, I personally don't care as long as it's only in an "extreme" space with all the other degen shit

No. 174348

>>174341
I saw the discussion about this in /ot/ and honestly the /ex/ kind of stuff attracts too many degenerate scrotes so imo it should be removed. Gore and actual toddler cp shotacon is almost exclusively moidshit. Also how do we know this isn't some shitty honeypot for user IPs? I'm tinfoiling hard here.

No. 174349

>>174348
I like guro so I would like it to stay but I agree on the hoenypot front, the site looks like it was made in 5 minutes.

No. 174351

>>174349
>Site is half broken
>Horrible no effort layout
>Literally the only thread in /misandry/ is about bitching about Aidens
>/ex/ board to host pedoshit
>Suddenly a bunch of spergy otomefags screeching about the pedostuff and how fujos approve of pedophilia unlike """them""" pure otome maidens
I'm growing suspicious, is this some retarded psyop by null or something?

No. 174353

>>174351
I'm also suspicious, but it's weird for a troll to include boards like fantasy reproduction and yumejo, so maybe it's just an amateur, I hope it is.

No. 174354

>>174351
>Suddenly a bunch of spergy otomefags screeching about the pedostuff and how fujos approve of pedophilia unlike """them""" pure otome maidens
Where? Are you talking about the anons on the fujo site? I don't see any sperging about it in this thread tbh, just people voicing their dislike of the pedoshit there

No. 174355

>>174354
Check /ot/'s things we hate thread, I'm too lazy to figure out how to crosslink from another board

No. 174362


No. 174382

Your favorite bl artists have most likely drawn and read shota. You have to understand that to Japan it isn't the same as actual CP and it shouldn't be the same to you either. Normies get out reeee.

No. 174386

>>174382
i don’t give a shit about what’s normal in japan. japan also has skyrocketing rates of irl pedophilia. shota/loli is weird

No. 174400

>>174382
Not all japanese BL artists are into shota, and not all BL artists are japanese anyway. Afaik shota artists tend to be degenerate males while BL is drawn mainly by women so I doubt that literally every BL artist has drawn or is into shota.

No. 174403

>>174237
will be fixed when I get in contact with someone good at CSS
>>174333
yes, type in the spoiler code for text
>>174341
the site is still small with little to no users so far so we kind of lumped things together until there was a need to separate, shota thread is removed and the shota anons will get their own board so they won't post that stuff in other boards, not sure if I should keep it hidden or not though.
>>174348
>Also how do we know this isn't some shitty honeypot for user IPs?
I do not get anyone's IP, it shows up to me as a long line of text and symbols, even my own, so I cannot read it or use it to dox anyone, we just compare it to see who is samefagging in a malicious way or to keep track of trolls if they appear
>>174351
>Site is half broken
still fixing many of the issues with the original code as much as I can, would you like to share specific issues you have so I can add them to the list? would appreciate that

No. 174424

>>174382
>You have to understand that to Japan it isn't the same as actual CP

Uh no. Most normal Japanese people are embarrassed and made uncomfortable by it.

No. 174425

>>174386
The point is fujos producing it aren't doing it with the intention of it being CP, regardless of how you feel about it. This is the same debate as the violent video games one.

>>174400
Eh well let's keep it to japanese artists since they're the ones mostly producing bl. I didn't say all of them were into it, but you would be surprised. Women drawing shota or manga with young boys experienced a boom in 2015. All those big fujo and kid's anime also have big female shotacon fanbases. Like I said chances are some of your favorite jp authors are into it too. It's not a big deal.

No. 174426

>>174424
I meant in the context of fujos and bl authors. Obviously not normal people.

No. 174428

>>174400
Shota used to be popular and more accepted. Yana herself ships Sebaciel and Kuroshitsuji was hugely popular back in the day. Honestly I'm disgusted that you would even correlate it with real children because they look nothing alike.

No. 174432

>>174425
Thank you, finally some common sense. You explain it better than I can.

No. 174433

I'm actually amazed that some of you guys when into scouting and reported the contents of the website when I can barely read their rules on the frontpage.

not another shota discourse we are entering 2022 so fucking fast rn

No. 174453

my biggest question is why someone would be into sexual drawings of child bodies. and i don’t like the excuse that it doesn’t look like real children because i’ve come across some that does. no it’s not the same as real cp but i would judge the fuck out of someone who openly admitted to being into it. it’s just weird and skeevy

No. 174455

>>174453
Do you think all furries wanna fuck animals too?

No. 174464

>>174455
if someone doesn’t want to fuck children why can’t they look at regular paintings/artwork etc which features children? if you’re looking at sexualised and eroticised artwork of children i’m going to assume you have a certain level of sexual attraction to children. and i think most sane people would think the same. extreme internet and coom brainrot has convinced you otherwise.

if you’re a furry who likes sexualised drawings of animals i’m going to assume you have some level of attraction to animals, if you like artwork that is not anthropomorphic. it’s the same deal. if you have a normal appreciation of animals you can enjoy numerous art of animals that isn’t sexualised.

also bestiality is not as bad as pedophilia in my opinion.

No. 174465

As a fujo idk why some of them try to justify the shota thing. I personally find them cute like looking at a rabbit or something. NSFW shota are when its truly degenerate male behavior though. Just enjoy your shota shit quietly and move on, dont justify it bc you really cant. Youre pedos nonnies

No. 174469

>>174455
lmao yes

No. 174476

>>174465
exactly this. i don’t even consider cutesy non nsfw drawings of children to be shota. when i refer to shota i mean the sexual shit which is disgusting and not justifiable

No. 174478

>>174465
idk, i'd say it depends on how young they are. if you nonas are talking about actual children that's degenerate behavior but young teenagers are a pretty normal thing among japanese fujos.

No. 174482

>>174465
I still stand by the claim that women can't be pedos. If they could, men wouldn't make up 99% of all child abuse cases. Just like women don't become serial killers strangling prostitutes or internet dates just because they have the urge to kill. If I see a moid who's into shota I assume that the FBI should check their hard drive, discord logs and basement immediately, but if I see a woman liking shota? It's repulsive, but ultimately I roll my eyes and leave. I assume she's probably dealing with some sexual distortion and only into shota because they can't hurt or threaten her or she's self-inserting into one and calling her out will probably make her even more messed up. It's a controversial opinion but I will never act as if men and women doing the same thing has the exact same reasoning behind them when women, according to all possible statistics, are not violent or degenerate as men.

As for the anons (mostly outside of this thread but I know they lurk) calling slender teenage boys "shotas", stop muddying the conversation. Some fujo liking a 18-year old twink is not pedophilia.

No. 174485

>>174453
I think the problem is that you think they see them as real children. To me they simply don't, they look like anime boys. Anime boys don't act or look like real people. I think most fujos make a clear distinction between 2D and 3D.

I mean, I also do not like real gays or support them in the slightest despite loving BL. A lot of fujos are like that too. What I see in anime/manga is just not comparable to real life.

But I don't blame you. Not all people into shota think like that, (specially outside of Japan) and I would also be wary until finding out how they see it.

>>174455
It depends. Furry is a western thing so they don't have this autistic perception of 3DPD. They also try to live their fantasies irl with furrsuits and always have weird child related fetishes like diapers and wetting. I would not trust them same as I wouldn't trust a fujo with a life size anime boy doll.

No. 174487

>>174485
>I mean, I also do not like real gays or support them in the slightest despite loving BL. A lot of fujos are like that too.
Speak for yourself, despite the misogyny in gay circles I still support anyone's right to be homosexual and gay men aren't inherently bad because they're gay, their misogyny is based on being men and born into male entitlement. Catty HSTSs and IRL twinks who seethe over bio vaginas and call them fish smelling stinks because straight men won't fuck them are a subset despised even by other gay men because they're petty and bitter. That's why they lust after straight men specifically and experience jealousy over women.

I do agree that the male characters in BL are not at all comparable to real life moids and more akin to women in male bodies but going as far as to claiming that "no fujos support irl gay men" is some thinly veiled homophobia instead of valid manhate. Some anons on this site really tell on themselves when their main problem seems to be with t4t aidens and gay men.

No. 174489

>>174485
>I mean, I also do not like real gays or support them in the slightest despite loving BL. A lot of fujos are like that too.
I hate moids and scrotes in general but homophobia is retarded, your blanket statement is not appreciated, reddit spacing anon.

No. 174490

>>174485
>defends shota
>doesn’t support irl gay men

the state…

No. 174501

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the moment anon comments on ugh ew shota on an external fujo imageboard and thread has escalated into another unhinged discussion that could've taken place on twitter. i am so tired.

unrelated topic, any anon here have any cringe BL webtoon to recommend. I recently ran into this one called Authentic Gay Education (which is, surprisingly written by YD - Blindplay author). There are only three chapters scanlated and it's absolutely garbage.

okay drama related but YD got her twitter suspended earlier this month because of antishippers and it's so fucking funny

No. 174540

>>174485
So many bad takes in one post, Christ. While liking shota isn't a crime, it's gross and I'm going to judge you for it.

Hating gay people while jerking off to them is moid behavior. While gay men in real life obviously aren't much like the characters in BL, they're still human beings that deserve to be treated fairly, ffs. Also, not all of us are NEETs who are repulsed by real life men, don't project your femceldom on the rest of us. I like drawings of hot guys and photos of them, cope.

>>174490
If I didn't know better, I'd assume anon was a moid, but she probably just lives in a third world country or something kek.

No. 174545

>>174487
>>174489
The point is I make a clear difference between 2D and 3D, like a lot of other fujos do. To me no anime boy of any age looks or acts anything like a real person, so that's why I don't equate shota to real CP.
Also I made sure I said not ALL fujos are like this so please read more carefully.

>>174540
I don't hate men (I have a bf), or gays. I simply have no reason to like them just because I like anime boys. They are two different things.

No. 174577

Yes I fetishize gay men and no I don't support gay rights. Cry about it

No. 174578

>>174545
You do understand that "I don't hate gays, I just don't like them" isn't a very convincing statement? Either you're ESL and aren't coming across clearly enough or you're just an idiot.

>>174577
Shit bait, leave

No. 174580

>>174578
It's not bait I don't give a shit about any IRL man including gay ones.

No. 174697

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>>174577
>Yes I fetishize gay men and no I don't support gay rights. Cry about it
>It's not bait I don't give a shit about any IRL man including gay ones.

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>>174580
>>174577
Gay shit is hot regardless of whether it's 2D or 3D. If you're seething at IRL gays when you could be happily watching them make out, I feel bad for you. Gay rights also means more media with men kissing in it, and I fail to see how that's a problem.

No. 174723

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No. 174728

>>174715
nta but I know for a fact that IRL gay scrotes are disgusting and more likely degenerate, plus IRL gay sex seems unappealing asf
fecal matter and the disgusting terms they use(bussy, daddy, babyboy) and I just give up
I prefer 2d males or 2d depictions of 3d males

No. 174731

>>174697
>>174723
Really obvious samefagging, jfc.

No. 174732

>>174728
gay men are no more degenerate than straight men.

No. 174733

>>174728
I mean. Yeah men are gross. Sometimes that's part of the appeal, though. Sometimes you want some dirty boys being all sloppy with each other.

I really don't understand why people have so many hang-ups about anal. Just do prep and/or wear a condom. Plus there are plenty of other ways two men can have sex, and there are actually gay men out there who don't like anal themselves. Seems like kind of a dumb thing to judge people for.

No. 174734

>>174732
Degeneracy is a problem with scrotes in general regardless of sexuality (I know, this is the fujoshi thread and I have no room to talk.) I think men have very addiction-prone personalities and that it typically manifests as an overindulgence in kink/porn. For instance, I doubt anyone here looks at explicit yaoi as much as the average scrote looks at porn.

No. 174736

>the homophobe-chan made it to samefag here
You're not even a fucking fujo and you're here just to sperg about how much you hate ~the homos~, you can go do this shit in literally any other thread than the fujo thread of all places. I'm sorry your bisexual Nigel cheated on you with a tranny or you're on one of your crack-induced drug highs again but I don't fucking care and I hate how you derail and ruin multiple threads with this retarded obsession of yours so take it outside and don't come back. And in the case you're just a scrote trying to stir shit, unironically contribute to the male suicide stats.

No. 174738

>>174733
Nope
hate anything involving real human asses, just the thought it makes me wanna hurl

No. 174746

the thought of being an anal hating fujo is so funny to me

No. 174751

>>174746
I'm not an autist, I understand that 2D is fiction and the males depicted are nothing close to actual human beings
Its not that hard to comprehend

No. 174766

>>174751
it’s still funny omg

No. 174793

>>174751
does the peepee in the poopoo makes you go weewoo

No. 174821

>>174221
Why is /yumejo/ even a thing? It's an imageboard for fujos not husbando sperging.

No. 174827

>>174821
Maybe it's for fujoshi who are also obsessed with their husbandos despite not shipping all of them with guys?

No. 174831

>>174736
I'm the anon who posted >>174697, I just think she's based, just because I share her opinions doesn't mean I'm her, the fact you had to imply she's samefagging just so you could defend your 3DPD homos is just weird, just let her be and stop playing activist, moids wouldn't do this shit for anyone as far as I'm concerned. This is a thread for fujos not for members of the 3D gay defense squad, go back to Twitter.

No. 174841

>>174831
Sorry anon but seeing how many fujos are lesbians the homophobia won't fly. This has been seen so many times before, it starts with the palatable "I just hate gay males because I hate all moids, it's only fair" plea and then advances to "actually fuck all IRL gay people" soon enough.
>inb4 "I'm a lesbian myself I just hate faggots!!!! uwu"
Yeah right. This "fags are all degenerate misogynists" rhetoric is some underage k-pop avatar polilez shit. Take this retardation to /ot/.

No. 174842

wtf is this shit? Where is my Marx x Engels doujin

No. 174845

>>174841
>seeing how many fujos are lesbians the homophobia won't fly
Being homophobic towards males homos is not discrimination against female homos, lesbians are okay, gay males are degenerate, cope faghag.

No. 174846

cuntboys are most definitely not everyones cup of tea but ive got to ask any anons here who do like that sort of thing, how did the communities surrounding it change after the ayyden pandemic? i know the term itself got blacklisted from some websites tagging system for being "offensive".

No. 174853

>>174501
>got her twitter suspended earlier this month because of antishippers

no, she got banned because she doxxed and contacted the parents of someone who was scanning/translating/uploading YD's manhwa online on instagram. Not to mention the threats of lawsuits and monterary compensation.

She was absolutely fucking wrong for that, but the scanlator should've stopped uploading after the first request, too.

No. 174857

>>174846
I'm not fond of "cuntboys"(just the name makes me wanna throw up) but I somewhat get it with regards to BL
The "Yaoi Hole's" of BL characters function more like well cunts then assholes, It wouldn't be that big of a leap to go from that to actual functioning Vaginas

No. 174865

>>174821
what's up with the fujo/yume divide?

No. 174866

>>174865
NTA but in my experience the bad blood mainly originates from yumes who have a superiority complex over fujos, seeing them as degenerate coomers while regarding themselves as pure-hearted maidens despite a lot of otome being just as dubious as BL, often even more so due to the heterosexual dynamic. Sometimes they're unapologetically homophobic too, complaining about fujos ruining their husbando by headcanoning them as gay or being disgusted by lesbian fujos. Of course there's a lot of overlap between the communities (usually straight fujos are also yumejos etc) so #NotAllYumes but that's just the main reason for the division and what I've also experienced in real life.

No. 174870

the fujo/yume beef is incredibly dumb when we all should fight the real enemy: obnoxious het shippers

No. 174871

>>174870
The real enemy should be scrotes and pedo shit.

No. 174872

>>174870
Isn't that what yumes do though? Self-insert into a female character and become hellbent on shipping them with their husbando of choice.

No. 174873

>>174872
Technically shippers and yumes aren't the same, yumes want the man themselves. Look at the retarded hornyposting and husbando devotion threads in /g/ to see yumejos in action.

No. 174883

>>174872
shippers see the female character as a separate being and enjoy it more as a typical romance, sometimes they'll even says stuff like "i'm so gay for her, she's hotter than him etc

No. 174885

>>174884
Nah there’s loads of us, maybe the yuri part isn’t as common though. It’s just people who are adamantly for/against a certain side are the most vocal and the most annoying

No. 174886

Is there anyone else like me? I'm a yumejo and a fujo and into some yuri. I'll pair them up multiple ways. Why do I feel unheard of? I think its more fun this way. I love the potential of conflict and threesomes from yaoi shit crashing into anything yumejo…..

No. 174887

>>174885
Sorry I edited. Its honestly like even more fun this way. Because if she does dom stuff and a BL pairing is mixed in it can be priceless.

No. 174888

>>174886
Ma'am, this is the fujo thread. Pretty sure you're not "one of a kind" but the majority of all shippers, if anything it's the fujos that get shunned for shipping exclusively m/m. f/f is for male coomers and overrun with AGP troons and m/f is just not interesting because I can't relate to a straight pairing but I still have to constantly explain myself for being only into m/m material.

No. 174889

>>174886
God I'd love to see a hot bisexual FMM threesome in otome media. I've never seen it. It's a fantasy of mine.

No. 174890

>>174888
But I love bl I'd never shun any of you I adore you all sniff

No. 174893

>>174888
I think all of you should take over the world and make BL mainstream in the west already. You just have to come up with amazing content that can't be criticized aside from it's BL slant. Sure it could be really controversial and make people infuriated because it's so damn popular and good but all it takes is good writing and good art. I wish more bl fans took themselves seriously enough to make something huge.

No. 174894

>>174893
It was done with Yuri on Ice already and people still refused to believe Yuuri and Victor were gay despite getting fucking engaged kek or tried to find whatever problematic crumbs they could to bitch about it

No. 174895

>>174894 could still be better than Yuri on ice.

No. 174896

>>174893
chinese fujos are doing a pretty good job, lbr their stuff is already much better than original japanese BL

No. 174897

>>174895
Okay? It was a worldwide success even hyped up by western ice skating professionals and beloved by even people who normally aren't interested in BL and opened up the gates for more animated gay content. And like >>174896 said Chinese fujos are printing money with Danmei and taking over the world with it, a lot of them have gotten worldwide English translated releases. What the fuck more should be done? People will hate fujos and fujo content no matter how popular it becomes and people will continue to find things wrong with it because homophobia and misogyny exists in the root of society. People hate the thought of women having something that can't be sexualized and appropriated by men and that's only meant for female enjoyment so they try to shame them into submission. That's why China banned pretty boys, men were seething over women being "brainwashed" by all these beautiful boys into raising their expectations for regular men and demanding more pandering for women only. The problem isn't fujos being lazy because fujos have one of the most active, productive small community even to the point Comiket was originally an event with a majority of fujo women organizing it but of course they had to be fucked over by pedo moids cooming to lolis just out of spite. It's absolutely not fair to accuse them of "not doing enough".

No. 174898

like can you imagine japanese fujos writing stuff like tgcf, mdzs, shapolang, white shizun etc? an entertaining plot with fun characters, action scenes, and the main couple becoming canon at the end? no, we only get short stories and fujobait like sk8

No. 174899

>>174898
what the fuck are you talking about, is this a ccp shill or something? Who do you think inspired the Chinese fujos to write their stories? Whose drawing style are they imitating with the comic adaptations and illustrations? Why are you comparing danmei to fujobait bullshit like sk8 instead of actual BL?

No. 174900

>>174897
I think the main issue is that they're not creating enough entertaining original content that is also explicitly gay. let's take the creator of black butler and the designer of twisted wonderland (forgot her name), we all know she's a real fujo but she never makes anything canon. that doesn't happen with danmei

No. 174901

>>174899
because actual BL is boring! nothing happens, the stories are painfully short

No. 174902

>>174901
>how to out yourself as a newfag without admitting it

No. 174903

even korean manhwa BL creators are more inspired…

No. 174904

>>174899
jp is better at sex scenes, young romance, and fulfilling every niche.
danmeis are good at writing entertaining stories with a dash of bl(the sex scenes are kinda trash fuck you jinping)

No. 174905

>>174904
I think that's my issue, original jp BL is usually just porn or slice-of-life romance

No. 174906

>>174905
so why dont you just try other countries bl?

No. 174908

>>174906
i did that's why i was saying cn/kr BL is better

No. 174910

>>174341
late af, I was excited for this too but this is a no for me as well. Some shit needs to be banned on sight instead of tolerated, not even for ‘containment’ purposes.
>>174893
Serious goals. It’s worth it for this >>174894 alone, there is nothing funnier than the nohomo audience trying to cope for enjoying something like that.

No. 174912

BL existing in japan as a genre is both good and bad
>the good
fujos have their safe space
>the bad
gay ships are very unlikely to happen in mainstream media. basically the writer won't make a gay ship canon because it doesn't fit the "genre

No. 174915

>>174912
I prefer it that way, I know that in the west there'd be so much pointless politics involved it it and plus who wants fat scrotes drawn for the sake of body positivity

No. 174919

>>174915
It is already the case in a way, when you look at fanworks. As for original stories in the West, I'm not up to date but Netflix loved shoving lgbTTTTQQQ+++ shit in their shows apparently but I don't watch anything on Netflix so correct me if I'm wrong. What about YA novels? How are they?

No. 174925

>>174915
idc about the west i just like the surprise factor of a gay ship becoming canon. i watched mirai nikki expecting it to be just scrote pandering and the gay kiss came like a shock, not saying that it was a canon ship but the kiss itself i mean it's kinda cool if it's unexpected you know?

No. 174969

>>174732
Late post but this, gay men are no better or worse than straight men. They just don't have a woman there to tard wrangle them most of the time like straight scrotes do
>>174870
I enjoy a good het pairing now and then, but dear god so many het shippers are god awful. I've seen (adult, as in 30+)fanboys have total meltdowns over fujos shipping their favorite self-insert MC with another dude instead of their preferred female character so many times, it's insane

No. 174972

>>174925
kek I forgot all about Mirai Nikki and its bargain bin Kaworu expy

No. 175006

>>174919
YA novels are probably the closest Western equivalent to BL. you can find tons of novels of varying quality featuring gay relationships, especially as over the past few years there’s been a boom in popularity of this type of content. to name a few (not all of these are strictly YA but have gained popularity with teens) the raven cycle, six of crows, all for the game series, red white and royal blue, the song of achilles, carry on trilogy, heartstopper graphic novel series, dark rise, the mortal instruments, i’ll give you the sun, tim te maro and the subterranean heartsick blues, aristotle and dante discover the secrets of the universe.
the biggest issue at the moment is aidens writing self insert stories where one of the characters is FTM therefore making the gay relationship a straight one. probably most of the main demographic for these books don’t think of it that way but I do and I tend to avoid them.
netflix does tend to put gay couples in everything but not to the extent that you could call any of their shows the equivalent of say, a live action thai BL series.

No. 175029

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hey nonas, i randomly found this series online, i never watch yaoi but i am super into this type of pairing! does anyone have more recs for something like this, with both characters being very contrasted to each other? i especially love a big muscular man with a twink.

No. 175036

>>174925
>>174972
I guess that's Japan own growth past its Homophobia

No. 175042

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read this a few days ago and i've never been one to read purely porny yaoi, but i'm really impressed. i'd loved to see other nona's opinion on this persons work

also link:https://myreadingmanga.info/inumiso-sexy-armor-elf-eng/

No. 175049

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>>175029
I know you've probably already read this.. but in case to haven't already .. what do I know !

https://manta.net/series/1293

No. 175052

>>175006
YA is trash no offense. I want to see young adults in BL but I don't want to see them in something as contrived as YA. And honestly for who ever said Yuri on ice was amazing… Yuri on ice is a heap of garbage. It's no where close to having high standards. If the writer was aiming for high standards it wouldn't look anything like that gaggggg. No offense but it's no wonder yaoi gets such bad PR. Only reason anyone really hates it is because it's always made to look like a dumpster fire

No. 175053

And yes I would say Yuri on ice looks like a dumpster fire lol

No. 175054

>>175049
This doesn't though! Insert drool

No. 175055

>>175042
This though.. this is too much, this is horrifying.

No. 175058

>>175042
Kek of all things you were impressed by this huh… you'll enjoy this author's other works then. It really bothers me that she draws the head really long and slightly too big and the ahegaos look comical 9/10 times but I read all her stuff anyway kek.

No. 175061

>>175042
Yeah this is just I don't know too, too feminine I guess
It feels like Yuri then Yaoi

No. 175062

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This show is amazing, I don't know how more people haven't fallen in love with it a dozen times over.

No. 175071

>>174900
Why do you keep comparing danmei to non-BL content? Kuroshitsuji and Sk8 aren't BL. And of course BL doesn't get made into a high-budget anime, no crusty boomer producer wants to show two men kissing. The only reason why the Chinese novels gets animated adaptations in the first place is that they censor all the gay away so that it fits censorship rules in China.

I swear current-wave fujos only into danmei and Korean webtoons have never even read Japanese content, novels or comics, and base their views on fanfics, hearsay and the smut doujins they read at 15, not legitimate BL series.

>>175053
>>175054
>>175054
>>175061
Fucking sage your shit and put it in the same post, this isn't twitter. Are you underage or just retarded?

No. 175072

>>175071
This is /m/ its very slow and the general rule is to not sage and I only made one of these posts

No. 175073

>>174870
just men. women should not fight. take all this fujo/yume autism and put it towards moids obsessed with moeshit

No. 175075

>>174870
Fujoshi, yumejoshi and female het shippers should form an alliance to exterminate all male otaku from Earth.

No. 175079

>>175073
I can ignore moids but i can't ignore annoying ships

No. 175081

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>>175073
I strongly agree. Good lord I agree so hard. All the petty grumpyness just.. can we just leave it and have a good time my God.

"No!! You can not have a good time because I hate fag pairings"

Like chill and masterbate okay there's something for everyone. I don't know why it's hard to love both as long as they're done really well.. Either way screw moids, Look at things that will piss them off either way and enjoy it. It's priceless.

No. 175082

Het ships are shit, otome is shit, I have literally no interest in either. I really don't understand why these things are being discussed in the fujo thread and we are being demanded to express solidarity with yumes and hetshippers who always treat fujos like something they scraped off the bottom of their soles, and on the top of it all people are bitching about Japanese BL being "uninspired" and talking about "hot bisexual MMF threesomes". I miss Gangrape-chan and her contributions to the thread.

>>175079
This, I can just stay away from degenerate pedo moids by not liking stuff directed towards pedo moids but I can't ignore the straight bitches who force their scrote pandering self insert het ship on me and repeatedly call me a misogynist for preferring a m/m ship to that despite being a lesbian. Fuck all this performative "let's just be friends uwu" crap when at the same time fujos are always the only ones being expected to bend a knee.

No. 175083

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>>175079
It's not real either way, so how could it possibly matter. This may be difficult to hear but you can't control what fujoshis/yumejos put online, you're just going to make yourself bitter.

No. 175084

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>>175082
Maybe leave room for vagueness enough to assume the best about say… Someone like me who might exist because I also love BL.

No. 175085

>>175082
>tfw 95% of female oriented media panders directly to them and they still need to invade fujo places

No. 175087

>>175085
Pretty much, imagine how it went down if a fujo went to /otogen/ only to talk about gay shit and how anons' number 1 husbando would actually prefer a fat cock up his ass. She would be called every name in the book and driven away and even I can admit that's a justified reaction seeing how it's contrary to the topic of the thread. But here in /fujo/ we always have to deal with this "p-please stop bullying hetshippers/yumes we're all friends here" crap because they can't stand the thought of having one place where people don't give a shit about how much they want to personally fuck a dude. If you're a yume/hetshipper then fine but at least have the common courtesy of posting only m/m here.

To start off with, why should I humour them when all we get in return is them accusing fujos of imaginary pedophilia and misogyny all the time? My patience has been worn out ages ago and the recent /ot/ infight of spergs placing the blame of /ex/'s pedoshit at every fujo's feet here didn't do anything to remedy it.

No. 175089

>>175052
how can you call yuri on ice a heap of garbage when it's the first BL-oriented show that gained such popularity everywhere? and it beat popular scrote anime in terms of bluray sales? and it's animated by mappa, yeah it looks bad at times but the first episode had good animation, it had good seiyuus, good music and during its airing it made a lot of people happy

No. 175090

>>175089
And for a TV animation the animation was fucking top notch, a lot of the more jumbled ones were fixed for the BluRay release seeing how they were under time constraints for the TV airing. It was phenomenal during its time and treated a gay couple like a regular romance with great writing not only with the relationship between Yuuri and Victor but also the pains of a competitive career and the artistry of ice skating. Anon going literally "ugghhh like, gaaagggg, why does it look like thaaaaat???" is so retarded it makes me wonder if someone is camping this thread just to bait people.

No. 175091

>>175090
even the plot, it's not like typical shoujo or isekaishit is written better (everyone praises konosuba for its le comedy but i found it trashy so). at least it had a good amount of plot twists for what is a figure skating show and it's miles better than free/sk8. the writing might not be haikyuu tier but most anime series aren't either

No. 175092

I'm not a Fujo or Yume or whatever(I'm not into 2d fictional men as a whole) but this thread is hilarious
seriously you subhumans are acting your a persecuted minority for fictional gay shipping

everyone should go outside and touch some grass

No. 175093

>>175089
>>175090
>>175091
NTA but holy shit newfag, put your retarded YOI shitposts to one fucking reply and stop shitting up the thread.

>>175092
Then fuck off and stay in your lane instead of acting like you're any better than weebs, you're on a gossip website that only exists because weeby cosplayers wanted to talk shit about each other to the point they got kicked off 4chan, retard. Eat shit.

No. 175094

>>175092
>causes infighting for days in the thread for being terminally retarded
>gets called out for it
>HA HA I'M J-JUST PASSING BY E-EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD IS S-SUCH A LOSER!!!!! HA HA

>>175093
How is that "shitposting"? It's people intelligibly talking about YOI which is debatably a BL anime, and a very iconic one at that. Sorry you were team Killing Stalking in 2016 and don't want to hear about the ice skater gays.

No. 175095

>>175093
I was talking to another person don't be a retard

No. 175096

>>175089
>>175090
YOI was based af even by regular sports anime standards, focusing on adult pro athletes instead of low stakes highschool sports really sets it apart. Also the drunken banquet is unironically one of the best romcom plot twists I've seen, perfectly executed in that you never saw it coming but makes total sense in retrospect, and it was so absurdly hilarious and romantic at the same time.

Obviously it had it's flaws and limitations, the animation was inconsistent, they couldn't go all out on the romance, but you can just tell how much love for the sport and characters was poured into it by the creators. Watching as it aired was a seriously fun wild ride, I miss it.

No. 175100

>>175098
That's more of your subjective opinion than an undisputable fact then. Calling it "too flamboyant" because you hate anime to begin with is a criticism based on personal preference and doesn't make the series "shit" just because you thought it was cringey. I hate plenty of western series personally but I can still congratulate them when they break new ground.

No. 175101

Just because something is popular doesn't mean it ought to be categorized as exceedingly great.

This whole conversation started because someone imagined BL could really becoem huge if the artists/ writers took themselves more seriously.

Yes lots of love and care was poured into it but the visuals wear me out they'd wear anyone normal down, who doesn't love Disney. Too flamboyant. Honestly the reason people hate on anime a ton to begin with. The reason I frequently hate quite a bit of it and prefer to browse BL with caution. Yes it can be considered great but not good enough to rise above what BL too frequently is. You know?? It makes it hard for normal people to get into it.

No. 175102

>>175094
>>175095
Pardon my retardation, the posts were posted so close to each other and worded in a vague enough way that it sounded like it could be the retard upthread who couldn't keep their autism in one post, sorry anons.

No. 175103

>>175100
I don't feel like my thoughts were complete.

No. 175105

>>175103
The point still stands. You hate "flamboyant" things and most anime so your dislike for YOI is still due to a personal preference and it's uncalled for to shit on other anons enjoying it and calling it an objectively bad show when it took the world by storm when it came out and made record sales despite being the first mainstream original BL animation.

No. 175110

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>>175105
I'm not responding to what you think I am. I couldnt care more or less about niche preferences. Earlier when I was here someone compared Yuri on ice to an anime that could change the genre.. for the better.. like from the ground up. As something that took itself seriously enough to do so, and I just disagreed. To me personally yes it is horrible. I would rather read BL most cases but I love some of the art out there do death.

Though I guess flamboyance exists on a spectrum, some of it is just a lot and some of it just isn't.

No. 175111

>>175082
Kek, can someone direct me to the appropriate thread to get recs for "hot bisexual MMF threesomes" please.

No. 175112

>>175110
Honest question, are you ESL or dyslexic? I'm not even sure anymore if it's you not understanding what you're reading or you just writing stream of consciousness and deleting and reposting your posts for 5 times in a row. Proofread your post before pressing the button.

>>175111
>>104102

No. 175115

did you guys watch sarazanmai?

No. 175116

>>175112
No I just hate that there is no preview button. I'm really ocd about it.

The point I'm responding to hasn't changed, its exactly the same. I just don't think artists that made ..that crap.. really took it or themselves as seriously as you think.

No. 175118

>>175112
I mean if Yuri on Ice is the pinnacle of media for you I've got bad news for you buddy…

No. 175119

>>175115
Yes. I recommend it a lot. People say a lot of shit about Ikuhara and his coomerism which I agree about to a degree but I was pleasantly surprised by Sarazanmai. I also recommend the extra manga about how Reo and Mabu found Sara and raised her together.

No. 175125

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nonas pls don't fight, we don't have to turn on each other. that's what the bitter moids would want

No. 175126

>>175115
I think it's the last anime I watched. I found it fun and the fact that's inappropriate despite the cute character designs makes it even funnier. I think the yakuza big brother is voiced by Tsudaken? Because his voice was way too deep for this art style.

No. 175131

I'm doing a harry potter movie marathon because I never watched the full series (and yes I know j.k.rowling sucks) and thinking that if this series was airing in the 2010s instead of the 2000s drarry would be the most popular ship

No. 175132

>>175131
Drarry has already been pretty damn popular for its time, but I have to say that if Harry Potter came out more recently Snarry would be a far more controversial ship and yes, Drarry would be even more popular. Also no ohe here gives a shit about Rowling "sucking", this isn't twitter kek

No. 175133

>>175131
>and yes I know j.k.rowling sucks
Oh fuck off, she is our terven queen.

No. 175134

>>175132
oops just got used to everyone dunking on her and i've never actually been part of the fandom

No. 175135

>>175134
She gets death threats from troons so you decided to mindlessly join in and hate on her too?

No. 175136

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>>175131
Speaking of Harry Potter something I always found kind of funny was how little Ron would get shipped with anyone, there were certainly some ships of him but compared to the library's worth of content for just one paring in the Fandom, Ron wasn't even discussed that much despite being part of the main trio
I think it was likely due to the fact that Rupert Grint wasn't particularly good looking

No. 175139

>>175136
No one in HP is good lucking, they're a bunch of ugly kids, teenagers and elderly people.

No. 175140

>>175139
Well they are supposed to be British, ya know. Anyway post Drarry fanfic recs

No. 175144

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Posting my favorite official BL /co/ moments

No. 175145

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No. 175147

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>>175145
Wolverine from Earth-12025 who is canonically gay and is in a relationship with Hercules

No. 175148

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>>175147
Honeymooning

No. 175149

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>>175148
This is earth-616 Hercules, he's bi-sexual

No. 175152

>>175136
what ships were the most popular?

No. 175154

>>174751
>I'm not an autist

No. 175155

>>175081
NTA but why are you posting straight incest in the BL thread?

No. 175205

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Why are homoerotic shounen friendships and bait shounen-ai ships so superior to canon pairings?

No. 175209

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>Went on tumblr for the first time in ages just for fun, thought I'd check in on what the young'ins are doing in my old/current fandoms
>Non-stop bitching about fujos from fakeboi gaydens calling themselves MLM achillean faggots who send death threats to other 15 year old girls for shipping two dudes together without changing their pronouns to he/it first
>"pro-shippers" support fujoshis, but only because they think anti-fujo rhetoric is TERFy(lmao) and openly talk about how anti-fujos are preventing future fakebois from finding their true gay male selves through explicit BakuDeku fanfiction
>Moids and obnoxious yumejos/hetshippers still relentlessly harass any and all fujos, but now under the guise of wokeness
Makes me glad that I'm in my late 20's, being a young fujo today seems way worse than it was back in the day. In the late aughts/early 2010s all we had to worry about was there being like one Japanese speaker available to translate doujins and the occasional moid meltdown, not other girls doxing you for being a fetishistic homophobe because you're a girl who thinks Male Character A and Male Character B are cute together, kek

No. 175211

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>>175205
Because they get to actually have a proper friendship, whereas het pairings are usually just a thing because "she was a girl, he was a boy" or sth.

No. 175214

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>>175205
Because the things you create with your own imagination will always be more fulfilling to you personally than the same ideas executed by someone else. It's why a good mystery is often more enticing than a direct, concrete answer. A lot of slash shippers are like dogs chasing cars– we don't know what we'd do if the ship was actually made canon, because in many ways, the wanting it to be is the fun part. Imagining all the different ways the ship could play out is the fun part, and sometimes being given a concrete, canon depiction makes it a little less fun.

Also, the existing, assumed-to-be-straight main characters are often more fleshed out than the token gay side characters. It's more fulfilling to ship characters that are dimensional and fully realized, which is why the most popular slash ship in a fandom is typically the two characters with the most lines or screentime. This isn't to say there are no stories where two main characters end up in a gay relationship, but they're pretty rare.

No. 175215

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>>175211
Samefag, sorry.
Friendship between men and women is not as common in Japan as elsewhere. In contrast there's a sports club culture in the schools that puts basically boy-only and girl-only groups together for a prolonged time and forces them to forge strong bonds.
Writers only write what they know, most of the shonen series are written by men, and so they write scenes of friendship that can seem over the top loyal and inspire fujos everywhere.
See: "If you die, I'll kill you" and "Save me first" and tons of other lines in JJK.

Also, what >>175214 said. The amount of different scenarios these people come up with is amazing. "What if Itadori was a firefighter and Fushiguro was a veterinarian and they were both 25 and met and fell in love?!" is a whole genre of Yuji/Megumi shipping. Basically the characters are ripped out of the original work and plugged into all kinds of BL story devices.

No. 175216

>>175209
I can't read "MLM" as anything other than "multi-level marketing."

Anyway, I honestly think gaydens are a bigger scourge to fujoshis than lolifags are, if only because it's obvious that they're self-hating fujoshis who want every other fujoshi to hate herself. Aidens basically cannibalize their own kind for the approval of gay scrotes who don't even care in the first place. To date, I've never heard an actual gay man complain about yaoi being homophobic– it's consistently a complaint made by FTMs. I honestly believe FTMs think enjoying yaoi is something they've "earned" by lopping their tits off. Like they've decided only men can objectify other men, and if you want to have the privilege of objectifying men, you have to mutilate yourself into a facsimile of one. It goes without saying that it's fucking demented and misogynistic as hell.

No. 175217

>>175209
Actual doompill posting hours. As a fujo in my early 30's I miss the worryfree days we took for granted in 2010 when everyone shipped whatever problematic ship they wanted without consequences and only the most unhinged, legitimately misogynistic fujos actually took the troonpill while the overwhelming majority remained relatively normal or at most larped as an anime boy while remaining a woman in real life. Hetshippers were laughed out of the fandom space for bitching about fujos dismissing their Mary Sues, now they're joining the "you're fetishizing MLM" squad only to bully fujos into accepting their piece of shit hetship.

Those truly were the days and if I knew they would come to a close so soon I would've appreciated them more. Now I only have my girlfriend and the few fellow oldfag fujos to talk to, I'm too tired of overly sensitive zoomers to even post about my ships on social media. Bitch can't even call an ambiguously aged anime boy cute without being branded a pedophile for being over 25 by some lunatic twitterfag kinning him. Do these dumb kids think it's the teenagers writing all the characters they simp for or something?

No. 175220

>>175216
>I can't read "MLM" as anything other than "multi-level marketing."
I keep reading MLM as "mooloomoo" and WLW as "wooloowoo",if that can make you feel better.

No. 175223

>>175216
The biggest complaint I've heard from gay men w/r/t yaoi/BL is that it doesn't appeal to them, but none have actually seemed offended by it. Bi guys are way more likely to actually like it though, something I've always found funny

You're definitely right that Aidens think they've earned the right to like yaoi because they're troo and honest men and not icky girls anymore, as if the genre isn't made by and for women. It's so funny when the few who do recognize this cope by trying to say they hate yaoi for being rapey/made by women but support bara because it's more wholesome and made by gay men, since anyone who's ever actually read bara knows that it can get waaay worse than yaoi/BL when it comes to romanticizing rape.

No. 175224

>>175214
I half-agree with you as I don't believe the unattainability of the ship plays as strong of a part as the fact that it's often just better fleshed out than the overused "main character with his obnoxious wife-2-be he shared one line with during the show's run and had zero chemistry with" setting. Most fujos both know that their OTP would never turn into reality, but also they would welcome it with glee if it ever happened. The most recent example being Promare, people walked into the movie for the two male main characters that already looked shippable and while they were never outright confirmed as lovers you sure couldn't deny the implications such as them kissing in a very drawn-out, intense moment both the movie and the post-movie promotional material gave to the fans.

>>175216
I highly doubt they're even looking for the approval of gay males, most of them are definitely doing it for performative reasons to gain social media clout. But as for the people who actually take it to heart, once I read the theory that they're so appalled by "evil fujos fetishizing MLM" because in their minds they conflate fujos with the staceys who bullied them for being non-straight women while simultaneously squeeing over male homosexuals it made sense.

>>175223
Absolutely. The bara they consume isn't nowhere near in style to the content legitimate gay men post. I follow plenty of fudanshi artists and see them RTing each other, shit is so much more ~pwoblematic~ than any of the wholesome hairy dadbod appreciator aidens love.

No. 175226

>>175216
I think Aidens are more of a symptom than the problem itself, they troon out because they feel guilty about liking gay ships in the first place. The source of that guilt is just SJWs rhetoric in general I guess, there are occasionally gay men who talk shit about fujos and other women definitely do. I see it on lolcow all the time.

>>175224
>also they would welcome it with glee if it ever happened.
Absolutely. I think the reason non canon ships are more popular than, say, canon BL manga that gets adapted, is because a) mainstream series are just better quality and b) half the fun of a romance subplot (whether it's het or not) is the 'will they won't they' factor. It's more fun to see a relationship develop over time and wait to see what happens rather than knowing in advance they get together.

No. 175236

>>175211
>het pairings
I was referring to yaoi pairings tho

No. 175240

>>175236
Shounen manga are usually about something different than love. They have to slay the monster/fight the rival school/whatever and thus they have many chances to develop a relationship and a bond apart from "I love you so much uwu you're so hot uwu".
Yaoi has degrees obviously, but many times it's just a shallow love story with sex and only 6 chapters. Of course something with 200 chapters is going to be deeper.

No. 175245

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>>175226
>>175240
I'm >>175214 and I honestly should have thought about what you anons are saying. Fujoshis are female nerds after all, so we also love a good science fiction, fantasy, or action plot. As another anon mentioned, that's part of why Promare was so popular in our community– it's not just that it was a canon depiction of a gay romance, it's that Promare is ALS a really fun action/sci fi story with awesome music and visual design. I liked Yami no Matsuei for the same reasons– the BL is just a b-plot to an action/supernatural story.

No. 175248

>>175152
>>175224
Honestly Promare was perhaps the one series where I hoped that it was gonna be het pairing, the promotional material made Lio seem like he was a female and going to a princely female character adn honestly thought it would be interesting compared to the usual hetorsexual pairings

No. 175252

>>175248
>Big budget mainstream movie with a pretty boy MC who eventually does turn out to be implied lovers with the other male MC for the first time ever
>MAN I WISH THEY WERE STRAIGHT TBH
No het shit in the /fujo/ thread, anon.

No. 175253

>>175252
No it wasn't like that, I assumed Lio was a masculine princely girl, something we don't see much in most media

No. 175254

>>175205
they're fine as long as they don't get paired with girls. i'm an autist and i can't ship a pairing if they'te taken by someone else. het ships annoy me so i'd rather stop interacting with that media as much as i can

No. 175262

>>175254
That's why I feel bad for fujos who primarily ship characters from shounen series. Like, was anyone actually surprised when Naruto ended up with Hinata or Sasuke with Sakura? Does anyone doubt that the BnHA boys are going to end up with a wife and 2.5 kids each? Most action/sports/etc series will end with the characters paired off with a member of the opposite sex they may or may not have chemistry with or have ever even spoken to, unless it's a full on fujobait series like Free! or something similar.

No. 175263

>>175209
So honestly own being a Fujo. Own it massively. These people are just mad, because they want a traditional male, to get them babies so they can wait to die in a box. Fujoshis threaten all of that. Use it against them? Shove it in their faces until they won't stop bawling.

No. 175264

>>175217
I agree so much. I remember back in 2010s all my weeb friends being into shipping and yaoi and the only drama was which Hetalia ship was the best one. Even the gaydens didn't usually care what got your rocks off.
Now I see teenagers online doxxing and sending death threats to people because someone dared to "identify" as a girl or a woman while shipping two male characters or thinking Giorno Giovanna is cute.
I miss the times when it was at least somewhat acceptable to reblog or post fanart thirst traps of two male anime characters without having a bunch of 15 year old Aydens in your notes calling you a dirty fetishist or talk about your favorite ships without someone lecturing about how much of a problematic piece of shit you apparently are.

No. 175265

>>175264
But in my opinion they are the problematic pieces of shit. Men run all over us in porn. They don't give two shits. Just why are fujos supposed to give a damn about their histrionic double standards???

No. 175266

>>175262
majority don't care, at least japanese fujoshi don't because they're usually het shippers too…. so it's just me haha

No. 175267

I think i tend to follow lesbian fujos on social media more than the rest because they usually dislike het ships

No. 175268

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>>175264
The only thing I agree with is that BL artists should take what they make WAY more seriously. Take it beyond anime AND fanfiction and the standards for anime in Japan. Throw really amazing stuff in their faces and drink up the hate. Responding to anything they say is what they desperately want. Deep down they know heteronormativity is tired ass bull. And that they really can't control what women do. That's their only goal. They're TERRIFIED to lose their snorefest to cultural elements in which the usual core idea of masculinity is challenged. Where men have to see themselves compared to women and consider how they treat women in porn, and as second class prey. They respond to fujos by pretending to see themselves as "victims of "sleazier" fandoms ("worse than porn") but it's a massive gross entitlement complex and that's it.
Pedophilia my ass. Really for something drawn??? It's gross entitlement from trads who aren't used to stepping outside their normal. That is really the bottom line. Nothing more nothing less.

The sooner you accept it, the sooner the double standards themselves makes you disgusted, the less you'll care what they think and the more you'll enjoy throwing it in their faces.

Personally I don't really get on "that" side of tumblr though, just the actual classical and modern art side.

No. 175269

>>175266
So there isn't a massive split between yumejos and fujos in Japan?

No. 175270

>>175269
I think they just don't interact much, but I could be wrong.

No. 175271

>>175269
het shippers aren't yumes

No. 175272

>>175268
you make this to be too much of a women vs men fight when in reality a lot of fujo haters are women

No. 175273

>>175272
I know I just see them more as tradthots and pickmes. I always hear and see the internalized misogyny in fujo-haters but that's just my experience. I see it A LOT.

No. 175274

>>175265
NTA but women shipping two fictional men isn't even problematic. Women aren't dominating sex crime statistics, women don't rape, women don't diddle kids. A pornsick fujo is not likely to abuse and groom other women or children or suffer or anything but loneliness and self hate while coomer scrotoids get constantly outed for all sorts of depraved deeds. Sure there are rare deranged fujos who are accused of taking advantage of other women but 90% of that is due to their autistic lack of personal boundaries ("I knew a fujo in high school who would glomp me") and not predatory tendencies caused by excessive cooming.

>>175269
In Japan yumejos tend to have a meltdown for being clumped in with fujos since Japan is traditionally homophobic as fuck and over there fujos are almost synonymous with being lesbian/bi/some sort of a stigma related to sexuality. I don't think there's a lot of overlap there between the communities as far as I know, it's more of a western community thing since true otome was first labeled as "BL" due to lack of understanding of the difference and the people bringing it over just looking at the pretty boys and associating them with fujo stuff.

No. 175275

>>175272
Nope I'm actually a radfem and brain rotted coomer

No. 175278

>>175269
Yumejos hate it when fujos ship their husbando with another man since they don't like seeing their precious fictional husband fuck another man(especially if he's the bottom), but from what I can tell they just don't interact with one another. Japanese fans in general are very good at staying away from things they don't like and tagging their art/doujins/etc, so there isn't a whole lot of drama between them as far as I know. Though I'm sure a lot of them have the same superiority complex western yumes do over their more "normal" interests.
>>175271
Much like how male hetshippers project into bland male MCs to fantasize about getting with his waifu, yumes do the same thing with female MCs. You see this a lot in Fire Emblem or other games with customizable/build-your-own player characters. My favorite FE yume meltdown was when they seethed so hard over one of the Fire Emblem Fates prince brothers being in love with his half-sister that they actually spurred Intelligent Systems to retcon that particular piece of lore. Unironically, way to go yumes for getting rid of unnecessary incest shit

No. 175280

>>175278
>Though I'm sure a lot of them have the same superiority complex western yumes do over their more "normal" interests.
It always pains me that hetship/yume material is actually categorized as "Normal Love" (NL) in Japan contrary to Boys' Love and Girls' Love. Like you said female hetshippers and yumes, especially Japanese ones, tend to have a ridiculous superiority complex over fujos because of this and they view fujos as degenerates for being into dirty homos getting it on. You even see it on Lolcow every now and then, people insisting that fujos are in the wrong because "99% of all people are heterosexual so stop headcanoning my husbando as a gay reeeee".

No. 175288

>>175278
I'll never get over Leo having a crush on Camilla in FE Fates. I actually like it, it shows how deranged everyone is in this family because of their extreme daddy issues, except Elise who's the only one with a brain among the royals as a whole. I wouldn't be surprised if Takumi's fangirls were equally obsessed with him, since both characters are explicitely based on otome game characters, unlike Xander and Ryoma.

No. 175291

>>175278
wait… that's based actually?? because i hate het incest kek when will genshin yumes grow a pair

No. 175294

>>175280
cause it is normal love moron, like 96% of the human race
Like just cause you've ruined your brain due to excessive pornography doesn't mean the rest of humanity is like you
You are a pornsick coomer, that's what you are, at least scrotes accpet it why don't you

No. 175295

>>175294
You just sound homophobic. What are you even doing in this thread?

No. 175296

>>175291
If this can make you feel better about it, Leo, the guy who's into his half-sister, is very good at hiding it so it's very hard to notice unless you unlock some specific dialogs in the uncensored Japanese game (the English version removed a shit ton of dialogs and replaced some dialogs with outdated american memes), and Camilla, the half-sister, doesn't give a fuck and probably doesn't even know about it. His crush is just there to show that he's as much of a degenerate as the rest of the cast despite him acting like he's hot shit.

No. 175297

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I just want to know what this is from. I used to have it on my laptop until it died ! How do I ever even find it again ??

No. 175299

>>175297
I had the entire doujin. But I wonder if I'm also confusing it with another one? My computer died before I could back it up.

No. 175300

>>175296
I don't care about the specifics it's just a weird anime trope that I really dislike, the younger brother crushing on his ara ara onee-san

No. 175301

>>175274
Totally totally. I think men's greatest fear is having to live like women do, with the espectations of femininity, etc. In their backwards little minds women could become like men with comparable coombrain evil. Which is hilarious to me. I mean that they're that terrified that all of womens emotional laborings are fake that love, calm…etc dont actually play a part in anything.

Or it could just as easily be agressive smearing to keep the control they feel entitled to…. Still that doesn't explain fujohating histrionics.

Anyway It's peak bizarre for me how tightly heteros and men keep a lid on their REAL secrets. All the effort to prance around in an even more questionable rage but never reveal the real reason you get this way over something as contrived as BL as a woman's interest.

Its telling. They know perfectly well how much we should really just hate them, and yet most women don't. Even I'm totally ignoring moids about 80% of the time.

No. 175325

>>175295
I'm a redfems who mocks faggots and faghags

No. 175326

>>175325
0/5, YWNBAW

No. 175332

>>175325
Cry more so I can drink your tears, Best flavor I've ever had

No. 175333

>>175325
>a redfems
kek what is that.

No. 175370

>>175325
>A radfem
Yet you belittle other women for their harmless hobby. That's feminism, right?

No. 175381

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Anyone else like laughing at vintage ‘anti yaoi’ comics? 2000s DA edge always gives me a good laugh.

No. 175428

>>175262
>That's why I feel bad for fujos who primarily ship characters from shounen series
I don't care about it, it's not like I was expecting it to happen in the first place. Now fujobait series like Free! are frustrating
>>175278
>Yumejos hate it when fujos ship their husbando with another man
I've never seen a woman give a shit about her husbando's BL pairings. Waifufags are the ones who throw a bitch fit when their self-insert gets shipped with another dude.

No. 175494

>>175428
>I've never seen a woman give a shit about her husbando's BL pairings.
NTA but you must be a very lucky person then kek, at least as a Genshinfag this is something that happens all the fucking time in the fandom. Female hetshippers bend over backwards forcing a male character into a canon relationship with a female character with no chemistry at all just so they can self insert and throw nuclear fits at fujos for ruining their fantasy.
>he spoke to this female character in one scene so they're canonly a couple so stop calling him gay!!!! stop … (reads off palm)… fetishizing gay men you ugly faghags!!!

No. 175499

>>175494
this reminds me of all the kokorou femoids acting like gorou is cheating on kokomi if he is paired with itto when kokomi canonically only sees him as her general and gorou states he never had a crush on anyone kek they can't even read

No. 175507

>>175297
I think this may be a hetalia doujin?
I don't know what other series has the character named "arthur

No. 175511

>>175499
Currently they're trying really hard to push Zhongli x Ningguang as "canon" because Ningguang's new skin got leaked and people are taking that as "proof" that she's a reincarnation of a goddess Zhongli hung out with hundreds of years ago with no indication of them having been romantically involved, just because of some reachy theory kek. Childe and Zhongli are a ridiculously popular BL pairing and they seethe over it constantly. Diluc x Jean is another het cope, people hate how Kaeya x Diluc is so well established even the official Genshin account made a joke about it. At least waifufag moids want the waifus for themselves and don't want to be cucked by imaginary men, it's both female and male hetshippers who are triggered by gay ships.

No. 175523

>>175297
searched up 'england x japan' on mrm and i found it
https://myreadingmanga.info/hetalia-dj-realm-inexperience/
the artists pixiv id is 225387 but they scrubbed all of their hetalia stuff off their account

No. 175530

>>175511
genshin has the worst hetshippers i've ever seen, you can draw itto x yae and get thousands of likes it's insane

No. 175547

>>175280
I think lolcow yumes are a different breed of schizos that one twst yume having a meltdown over yana toboso being a fujo and wishing the anime will have a fem mc.she should go back to her enstars, oh too bad enstars is full of fujobait too kek

No. 175550

>>175547
Which thread?

No. 175551

>>175550
the mobage thread

No. 175553

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>>175530
It's because you being able to choose your MC's gender draws in the otome crowd who play as the female one and imagine themselves to be dating all the male characters in the game either as the MC or some other female character. The male MC on the other hand is too young and twinky to be shipped to any of the female characters so male hetshippers insert into the other male characters.

>>175547
>>175551
I had to go check this out and lost my sides at this post, based anon

No. 175556

>>175551
No one is having a meltdown over yana toboso being a fujo in that thread, you sound underage and retarded.

No. 175558

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>>175547
>Being surprised TWST has a male MC
It literally takes place at an all boys school and the manga confirmed quite a while ago it was a male MC.

No. 175563

>>175556
why are you stalking the fujo thread?

No. 175564

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No. 175567

>>175563
It's true though. Don't invent things, it looks bad.
>>175564
Now this is true art.

No. 175568

>>175567
Hopefully it won't be too expensive since I want to get it as my first R18 BL figure…

No. 175576

>>175564
AAAAA it's gonna be the white aoba with the sexy red and white outfit i want it so bad!!!

No. 175639

>>175564
Aobutt.

No. 175718

>>175087
I know the post is old, but stay based nonnie

No. 175862

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>got invested in the side character again
huaa
from madk

No. 175864

>>175547
>>175551
kek I was just scrolling down /m/ today and saw this in action, imagine being so yoombrained you're seriously going off about having the last laugh when the anime will have a female MC while the characters are drawn by ultimate fujo Yana Toboso and the manga has a male protagonist. I don't even give a shit about twst or if it's fujo or otome but goddamn lmao

>>175096
Late to this but a based analysis, I loved the angle of making the story about pro athletes instead of high school level rookies and how all the main characters were in their late 20s and settled in. And agreed completely about the drunken banquet being one of the best romcom twists ever, it wrapped the story up in such a nice little package. One of my favourite things were the small little details they hid in such as the rings, in Japanese ice skating culture skaters wear rings as sort of good luck charms/motivators but the store receipt shown for a split second when Yuuri buys them lists them as "wedding rings" and they wear them on their right hand ring fingers instead, something gay couples are known to do. You have to be discreet about this shit in order not to have your show dumped into the BL bin and shunned by everyone in the business.

No. 175910

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sorry if this is a bit ot but one of you posted this in another thread (sorry, can't remember where) and I though it was funny and would make a good potential pic for the next thread

On another note, I've never been to a con, is it comon for fujos to get together like that nowadays ? I amire their bravery to be so public about it

No. 175924

>>175862
Datenshou is best boy

No. 175930

>>175864
I blame all this on mystic messenger, there were barely any western otomefags before that boring game got popular

No. 175934

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>>175924
he really is and i want justice for him

No. 175944

>>175133
>fujoshi
>TERF
Goddamn it, pick a struggle.

No. 175945

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>>175924
I really like Fjord

No. 175955

>>175934
He's canonically good with children and refuses to take mothers's souls because it would leave the children motherless. Also love his semi-ship with Shax.

>>175945
I love him too. Honestly almost all of the characters in madk have something unique and likeable (I personally like K too, he's very sweet).

No. 175957

>>174221
whoever made this site this is so impressive and i genuinely love you

No. 175959

>>175944
You will never be a man fakeboi.

No. 175975

>>175955
>Also love his semi-ship with Shax.
they interacted? did i miss some chapters? the scan sites i found only go up to 12 at the very most.

No. 175997

>>175944
do you know where you are elliot?

No. 176019

>>175975
Shax asks about him the first time we see him and they do interact more in volume 3 and it's very sad but cute. But also the author once drew a human AU with mainly J, Shax and Datenshou and they obviously ship them together but there's like a bit of a triangle going on.

No. 176028

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>>176019
Dropped pic, anyway it's a date

No. 176037


No. 176177

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Anyone else into doing 3x3s for BL ships?
R8 if you’d like.

No. 176288

>>176177
Nice taste, anon.

No. 176323

>>176288
Thanks! I'd love to see other anons as well.

No. 176331

>>176288
>nice taste
>danganronpa

>>176177
the robots are hot tho 10/10

No. 176451

I hate how the hetalia series went from extremely gay and unhinged to awfully tame once they started the serialization

No. 176475

>>175910
I go to a lot of cons and I've never intentionally sought out other fujos, but it's extremely easy to find each other and I always meet some, especially among artists. A lot of artists selling at artist alleys will have ship art (maybe like 1/3 or 1/5 depending on the con), and I know a few who fully specialize in drawing BL and have it as their whole brand. If you see someone walking around with merch or a cosplay from BL or a popular m/m ship, they usually tend to be quite nice, most of my friends are fujos and we all met through cons. The biggest downside is that there are also a lot of teens at cons, so it's a mixed bag of meeting another nice adult or meeting a 15 year old who hasn't learned how to behave socially yet.

No. 176486

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>>176177
Fuck it, I'll do one too.

There's a lot of western shit in mine, sorry. I read a lot of actual BL, but I don't consider the pairings in those to be "ships" because most of those are too obscure to have fandoms. Ships in my mind are pairings from non-BL media that have a lot of fanart and fanfic.

>>176331
You recognized the Danganropa characters though kek. Interesting how most of the people judging others for being in a certain fandom are former fans themselves.

No. 176497

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>>176486
>Davekat
Fuuuuck I'm so sad the TRAs took over the Homestuck fandom. This is one of my first real OTPs.

No. 176506

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>>176497
Same, same. I loathe everything after the credits. I especially hate what they did to Dirk, undoing all the nice character development he had just so they could shoehorn him into the role of both Hussie AND Lord English. These days I'm mostly just nostalgic for the main comic itself and I try to avoid anything to do with recent content like the games and the "post-canon" crap.

Back in the day, Davekat and Dirkjake were my favorites (basic I know, but the popular ships often had the best fan content.) Not to be that guy, but I actually shipped Davekat long before there was any possibility of it being canon. Before act six, most people shipped it black (myself included) though there were definitely a subset of people who liked the idea of it going from black to red. Honestly, the people squawking about how it was "fanservice" and "came out of nowhere" really didn't seem to be paying attention. They establish pretty early on that Karkat has a hard time with troll relationships because he's monogamous like a human, setting up the idea that he'd end up with one. There were hints at Dave not being straight pretty much from the word go. So you take a bisexual kid discovering his sexuality and a troll that experiences human love and isolate them together for three years, what the hell do you think is going to happen? Even in the timeline where they fought over Terezi, they end up being pretty darn close at the end of the meteor trip.

Sorry about the Homestuck sperg. It's just hard to find other fans these days who aren't 12 year olds or TRAs.

No. 176541

>>176331
Waiting for the day the tik tok kids leave so I can like dangan otps without being memed on.

No. 176543

>>176506
nta, i honestly used to be into davekat a lot more before it actually became a thing. iirc, it becoming canon attracted SO many tumblrtards to the tags, i ended up kinda resenting it. i liked davejohn though

No. 176571

i'm not sure if there are any mxtx/tgcf fans here but i need to sperg out a bit… people who try to hetbend hualian "uwu hua cheng lusting after xie lian jiejie and her big boobs" are annoying as hell and should be kicked out of the fandom. he's already feminized with the crossdressing plot and starember's art style, at least keep him actually male

No. 176577

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>>176177
Oooh cute ships!
>>176486
Ryou/akira and leo/kurapica is 10/10

No. 176578

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>>176497
>>176506
Unfortunately, my favorite Homestuck ship involves two extremely minor characters. On one hand I am so starved for alpha troll stuff but on the other I'm kind of glad Homestuck hasn't continued to make things with the alpha trolls because I don't think I could handle the disappointment.

No. 176580

>>176577
who are the black haired boys

No. 176582

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>>176177
Very cute ships, anon. Here's my own.
>Hetalia in 2022
Yeah yeah I know kek, I'm ashamed of my own taste sometimes

No. 176583

>>176582
I still like hetalia

No. 176591

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pls no bully, I know I'm rarted for this

No. 176595

>>176582
>Ike/Soren
>Ryo/Akira
>Kotetsu/Barnaby
>Dimitri/Dedue
Based

>>176577
Fuck I forgot about Patalliro, I should've put Jack and Maraich on mine.

No. 176609

>>176571
I hate how the new manhua chapter has inspired a whole new wave of this shit too. It's only been out for a few hours and it's all over the place. It was already bad enough trying to avoid all the trans Xie Lian art/fics without Starember adding fuel to the fire. Why do these people get into danmei just to hetbend the canon ships?

No. 176617

>>176609
Clearly troons want to self-insert and shoujofags who got into tgcf secretly wished hualian was another generic het couple. Xie lian is not even remotely effeminate in the novel, he is described as being handsome in a prince-like way and is obsessed with weapons and martial arts. But because he's the official bottom they ruined his character. Between the manhua and anime, I genuinely feel like the anime depicted him better
Starember has pretty art but everyone looks like they got heavy plastic surgery, gangnam unnie style

No. 176619

>>176582
Nah man hetalia is great where else can i watch a series with nonthreatening cute boys doing cute shit, is the only moe show we have

>>176580
They're Keith and shiroe from towards the terra

No. 176669

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>>176619
>is the only moe show we have
>Implying daily life of highschool boys isn't moe

No. 176670

>>176619
There are tons of anime series with cute boys doing cute things anon

No. 176697

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>>176670
hetalia was by far the gayest though. no one in this series is straight

No. 177118

Dear Door is fun and the sex scenes are comically exaggerated sometimes but reading through the fan translations of some chapters is fucking impossible

No. 177184

>>176582
>Fire Emblem Ships
ilu anon, I'd add Ferdinand/Hubert and Matthew/Hector to that list too

No. 177192

Apologizing for my spergy retarded vent but does anyone else have to deal with annoying as hell hetfags in their spaces who act superior for "shipping both" despite having maybe one gay ship and the rest the worst of the worst kind of self-insert hetshit? The female-oriented discord server that I've joined has majority fujos but multiple yumes/hetshippers who can't read the room and make passive aggressive comments about how much better it is to "also enjoy straight ships because you have more options". Shut your smug ass up, you absolutely would be whining about the lack of variety if majority of canon couples were gay instead of straight, the only gay ships you have are based on you wanting to be cucked by your husband fucking a man because to you homosexual relationships only exist for your amusement and it doesn't count as real love. Literally the genderbent version of a man saying "I don't mind if you cheat on me with another woman, that's hot" to his girlfriend.

Dealing with these people makes me understand the stupid underage Aidens who bitch about straight girls fetishizing gay men. I would much rather pick the horniest, slimiest himejo over them. At least her waifufagging would be homosexual kek

No. 177194

>>177192
i sometimes trust himejos more than fujos because most himejos (at least the hardcore twt ones) dislike hetships but with fujos it's like a gamble cause they'll sometimes even hetbend the gay ships….

No. 177204

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Has anyone played pride and submission yet? it's a trashy game about a getting subdued by a gray elf guy. what do you think of it? the Engrish is pretty funny at times

No. 177216

>>177194
>mfw I follow interesting fujos and they suddenly start shilling hetships and subtweet about other fujos only enjoying gay content like it was a crime
Always reminds me of the time I met a self-described fujo who turned out to be an otomefag hating most of BL content and spending her time bitching about it. I just hang around lesbian fujos and himejos now, I can't handle hetshipper bullshit.

No. 177250

>>177194
what is a himejo? I guess yumejo are just straight women thirsting over 2D husbandos but himejo is new to me

No. 177255

>>177250
Girl who likes yuri

No. 177578

hate when fujos are like "this BL story is more than the gay pairings uwu" like shut up, i wouldn't have picked it up in the first place if it had het pairings

No. 177580

>>177578
Okay? What they mean by that is that the story is actually good by other virtues than just being BL. What's your point?

No. 177584

>>177580
It’s surely the schizo-chan who baits in the fujo thread from time to time.

No. 177633

>>177580
maybe anon hates that sort of virtue signaling feeling those comments give off? like "i-i'm not only reading these because it's bl!! i'm above fetishizing men!" sort of thing

No. 177642

>>177633
yeah this is what i meant, i'm an esl sorry

No. 177656

>>177642
The topic kind of reminds me of mangaka that started as BL artists and then went on to do work in non-BL magazines. Like I used to read all of Fumi Yoshinaha and Est Em’s BL manga but they’re starting to be more known for their non-BL stuff.

No. 177662

>>176577
>kieth/shiroe
God tier taste.

No. 177664

>>177656
It constantly shocks me that Harada is doing things besides BL now too. Every time I see her designs in Paradox Live I just think of all the most fucked up scenes she's written.

No. 177730

>>177656
>>177664
It's actually sad that so many Japanese BL artists leave it altogether and move on to making other things, quietly removing all traces of them ever being involved with the genre. I guess it's because of the stigma involved with BL but seriously so many scrotes have an open past working on drawing porn and coomershit yet it never harms their career. I'm praying Harada is so powerful and sought after that she never pulls the plug on her BL projects.

No. 177735

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Homemade meme

No. 177737

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>>177735
<One more>!!

No. 177739

>>177735
>>177737
Good le memes love you nonny

No. 177742

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>>177739
Love you too

No. 177745

>>177735
>>177737
I hate trannies and men as much as any other sane anon but this is cringe, using mid 00's yaoi icons and intentionally edgy bottom text shit makes you look like an underage sperg or low grade scrote bait.

No. 177749

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>>177745
>using mid 00's yaoi icons
>Saying that like it's a bad thing
I will fully accept that my memes are cringe, but how dare you insult Laughter Land and Lamento CGs you fucker.

No. 177751

>>177749
Who's insulting anything? Laughter Land and Lamento are based but scrotes who try to bait fujos here always base their knowledge of BL on mid-00s outdated properties they get by typing "yaoi images" on google image search and try to play its dark themes as a mastermind gotcha to put fujos in their place, i.e.
>"Well I happen to know that yaoi is based on rape porn so what business do you have insulting male coomers, hmmmm??"
And the "we sure hate trannies here, right fellow vagina having girls?" thing is something that happens all the time just so that they can bait any thread into infighting and/or to try the waters on how far they can take it and push actual homophobia. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you just don't know any better but you have to understand the light that you're put into here. I really don't want the "lesbian fujos are all just pornsick straight girls who need to be cured by dick and I hate IRL gay people but I love reading BL porn doujins" spergs to hear the dog whistle.

No. 177752

>>177745
How is it scrote bait. Relax we’re not in a delectable meme competition.

No. 177754

>>177751
You’re literally reaching so hard wtf who’s the sperg

No. 177759

>>177751
Chill the fuck out. Scrotes automatically assume all BL ships are still like Narusasu anyway, Lamento and Laughter Land are pretty obscure.

No. 177761

>>177754
Check out the homophobic Nigel tender upthread to see what's being referred to here. >>174545 and /ot/'s fujo cringe thread that somehow screenshots any controversial post in less than a minute to cry about fujoomers being nasty bitches again.

No. 177765

>>177761
>/ot/'s fujo cringe thread that somehow screenshots any controversial post in less than a minute to cry about fujoomers being nasty bitches again.
Lol who cares? They're just a bunch of homophobes who are pissed that their husbandos are homos. If you're taking memes and yumejos this seriously I think you need to start taking your meds.

No. 177768

>>177765
If they didn't constantly shit up the thread with retarded infighting I wouldn't care. Every time someone starts with the "you know what, actual gays are disgusting" it continues for literal days and you can't act like shit like that isn't annoying. That's not crazy talk I pull out of my ass when there's a reoccurring homophobic yumefag or baiting scrote who comes here to samefag all the time and it's tiring as fuck.

No. 177772

>>177768
No yumejo or scrote is gonna know what Lamento and definitely not Laughter Land is, I'd get your point more if the meme was using like a hetalia ship or something but they're shit that scrotes and yumes have literally never heard of.

No. 177773

i'm a fujo and never heard of laughter land and now i want to play it… if only i knew japanese ugh. it has a cool premise
btw when are they releasing the eng trans of luckydog1? isn't it super popular in japan, what's taking mangagamer so much

No. 177774

>>177772
Stop being so hung up on this "how would they know Laughter Land and Lamento" point, see
> properties they get by typing "yaoi images" on google image search
Generic mid 00's yaoi game CGs are just something on par with Gravitation artwork that people think of when they need to slap a generic image on something.

No. 177776

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>>177774
By that logic the OP's pic is a scrote because it's always one of the first results when you google 'fujoshi'
By the way, even when you type in 'yaoi images visual novel' neither VN pops up.

No. 177777

>>177773
>what's taking mangagamer so much
They always put scrote shit first.

No. 177778

>>177776
>Missing the point entirely for the 5th time in a row
Oh my god I give up

No. 177779

they should at least release uuuultra c if they said they finished the translation and editing. and i'm still waiting for slow damage

No. 177780

>>177778
Anon if you really think yumejos and scrotes are gonna spend hours looking for yaoi pics from 2000s VNs then I think they're probably just fujos/gay guys in denial.

No. 177784

i unironically read the fujo cringe thread bc i think its funny how mad the posters there get over fujoids

No. 177790

>>177784
They're all scrotes or handmaidens. Or idiots mad about the minority of absolute trash work thinking that it's the norm.

No. 177791

>>177784
>>177790
One would expect that the fujo cringe thread would be screenshots of pornsick not like other fujos Aidens being retarded or something but it's just unhinged anons having meltdowns over fujos enjoying things they don't or shipping their husbando with another male. Yumes really being so paranoid they think fujos are demanding them to stop drawing het art because one twitterfag subtweeted about their hetship being shit kek, we truly live in their heads rent free.

No. 177813

>>177791
>One would expect that the fujo cringe thread would be screenshots of pornsick not like other fujos Aidens being retarded
Funny that you say this, I’m pretty sure that most of those anons are Ayyydens themselves trying to defend their pwecious “mlm” because they’re totally gay men and not just girls larping.

No. 177817

>>177730
It's so common, too. The funniest example I know of is the artist who was infamous for making all those R18 Kawoshin doujins with rapey yandere Kaworu going on to make sugary sweet shoujo manga after leaving the scene behind, kek

No. 177818

>>177817
Why do they even go to shoujo? It makes no sense to me to start out making BL and suddenly you're creating this disgustingly sweet love story about a girl and her senpai. I'd understand if they transferred over to josei or drama but it's always some generic teenager shoujo with none of the charm they had with their BL work.

No. 177823

>>177818
perhaps they don't have enough writing skill for josei? i mean if i had to compare the two genres, shoujo is generally shittier. i get the vibe they're sellouts anyway if they want a wider audience they can go the joseimuke route, just write something with a bunch of guys being "close friends" and no female love interests in sight

No. 177862

>>177817
I miss Tetsu Sabi…

No. 177872

>>177862
Her art is beautiful but her stories… really didn't fit Kawoshin, of all pairings. But I can't stand yanderes so I don't think I was ever going to like her work

No. 177873

>>177818
Shojo manga probably pay more than josei manga.

No. 177949

>>177730
its honestly because although there are more companies publishing BL, it's no way to make a living. its a sad compromise, they get to draw, but they have to give up BL.


Don't be completely sad though, professionals tend to make twitters for fandom related stuff without announcing it. Like koge donbo does shoujo shit but she has a hardcore dedue/dimitri stan account where she draws lewds of them.

No. 177956

>>177949
Post a link, I have no idea who she is but I love Dedue/Dimitri

No. 177971

>>177761
Link to this? I've not seen it yet.

No. 177972

>>177813
I do not understand how or why any fan would ever take any of this shit seriously. It's not real and it never will be. Everything I will ever make will me a joke/ bait for anyone histrionic enough to take it seriously. The whole Y Thread needs to lighten up entirely actually. You guys practically bring it on yourselves.

No. 178016

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>>177972
>me trying to understand what this post is trying to convey

No. 178021

>>178016
That you fujos bring the hate on yourselves by taking yaoi and reactions to it so seriously.

No. 178024

>>178021
>Accuses fujos of taking "yaoi" too seriously
>Hatelurks the thread only so she could bitch about fujos in another thread
Projecting like a cinema kek

No. 178025

>>178021
The fujo cringe thread is full of anons hysterically seething over how fujos ruin fandoms just by shipping male characters together or having gay headcanons about them, kek

No. 178034

>>177956
@krt1104
You’ve probably seen her stuff somewhere, she’s an OG in the anime industry(digi chara, pitaten, kamichama Karin etc)

But yeah reiterating my point, your fav JP artist is probably still a hardcore BL fan, you just have to randomly come across their hidden fan accounts on Twitter

No. 178036

>>178021
i haven't seen it on here unless its a rare newfag, twitter though

No. 178038

>>178034
Thanks. I know a few of her stuff actually despite never reading them back when I heard about her series in middle school, it's just that I didn't know her name. I know that many of the mainstream artists I like are either into BL or don't care about it. The only one I can think of who isn't into BL is Natsuki Takaya, iirc she implied it in one of her author's notes in one of the first volumes of Fruits Basket.

No. 178056

>>178034
Holy shit Koge Donbo is a fujo? I'm only familiar with her through Di Gi Charat and own some of her Chocola artbooks. Blessed day.

No. 178061

Are there any confirmed lesbian BL mangakas or artists? I know a ton of them are extremely secretive about their private life and relationships with most using aliases and never showing their faces, but are there any that are out? I know Gengoroh Tagame said in an interview that a ton of BL artists are lesbian but too afraid to come out for obvious reasons as the Japanese society is immensely homophobic. Just wondering if someone knows any.

No. 178064

>>178061
The BL artists I follow are usually constantly creating content so I don’t think they even have time for a relationship. There are a handful of older artists though that are married/tweet about their baby.

No. 178065

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How is this pairing so slept on by fujos?

No. 178066

>>178064
I was asking for those that are confirmed lesbian, not straight or single. I already know that some are married to a man and have children and that some just don't care for relationships but I guess we'll never know any due to the homophobia in Japan. I'm forever disappointed if Yana Toboso isn't gay though.

No. 178074

>>165351
Just a suggestion honestly. Taking your hobbies too seriously makes other people take you too seriously. It's a vicious cycle. It ruins your work, your interactions , your expectations, it all becomes so brittle and fragile and it's not even neccessary. So why??

No in all seriousness. I wish fujos, yumejos, shippers, whoever the hell, ALL of them would stop taking themselves and this shit so seriously. It's the only reason fujos for example, have a hard time. The whole community look like easy targets.(shitposting)

No. 178075

>>178074
ok nobody cares

No. 178076

>>178065
because griffith is a rapist and this manga is fucking garbage. i kek at the thought of kentaro miura's last drawing being lolishota dick before he deceased like a true retard

No. 178077

>>178038
>Natsuki Takaya
I will never forget her anti-fujo meltdown when she made Akito into a female because of all the gay shipping. That woman is a cow.

No. 178078

>>178025
Exactly so why come across as giving a damn about anything? All of this could be so funny and priceless, and you could easily throw a big one back in their faces. You could react in a way that makes them look obsessive and hysterical, but you keep taking it so personally and so seriously so histrionics never end on either side.

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>>178077
Please tell me more. As I said, I remember one of her vague comment at the beginning of the manga, probably in response to fans after she introduced Ayame and made him and Shigure flirt as a joke every two pages, but I didn't know she addressed it later as well.

No. 178081

>>178075
You obviously do I never hear the end of it

No. 178082

>>178077
Holy shit I remember when Akito was revealed as a woman and it was so weird, but I had no idea it was because she was triggered by fujos. Are there any details to this?

>>178078
ma'am you were already told that nobody cares

No. 178083

>>178078
>You could react in a way that makes them look obsessive and hysterical
Why would I or anyone else care? I think you're the one taking things too personally, anon

No. 178084

>>178082
Not her but iirc she planned this plot twist about Akito from the beginning. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why the first anime was cut short, Akito's voice actor was a guy in that one and Takaya complained that she couldn't help the studio pick the voice actors.

No. 178085

>>178080
>>178082
I honestly wish I had the foresight to save the documentation. Akito was turned into a girl a long time ago, but the infighting was glorious in all corners of the anime community. I forget where, but it's pretty much accepted that Takaya did it because Akito kept getting paired with men. I wasn't into Fruits Basket but I remember my friends and other people in BBS talking about it nonstop and how Takaya hates yaoi and the fujoshi.

No. 178086

>>178083
I would enjoy not being exhausted by this kinda community, or having to be a Fujo, for once. the people from all sides are lunatics.

No. 178087

>>178084
I thought Takaya was backtracking hardcore, but that's just me

No. 178088

>>178085
I'll look for sources because that seems hilarious. If you ever remember where you saw that please tell me. I read the manga when it wasn't finished yet and I bought the volumes one by one in middle school so I never witnessed anyone's meltdown online or anything.

No. 178089

>>178076
shut the fuck up, some people are still grieving his death. it's a tragedy that berserk was never finished, and don't act like miura was a pedo because HE WAS NOT he was a genius

No. 178090

>>178085
Based oldfag fujo, I was around a long time ago but as a young ESL I only had a limited understanding of all the things that were going on back then. I'm not that much into Fruits Basket so I don't have a horse in this race but I know at least some mangakas pitch a fit when their Mary Sue husbandos are made gay while others admit to reading doujinshis of them kek.

No. 178091

>>178089
NAYRT, This is unironically one of the funniest things I've ever read.

No. 178092

>>178089
>don't act like miura was a pedo because HE WAS NOT he was a genius
I can't even tell if you're being sarcastic or not

No. 178093

>>178087
I think she mentioned that in one of the guidebooks, I'll look it up if you want.

No. 178094

>>178088
It's been such a long time. Looking at the dates of the manga, the reveal was done back in 2007. Any website that I recall is now defunct or buried in Gaiaonline kek. But I'll try to remember

>>178093
I'd appreciate that.

No. 178095

>>178076
Hey, that is kind of not cool.

No. 178099

>>178094
Ok I found it. It's in the first guidebook, I will translate it from French to English (the book is numbered 24, since the actual manga is 23 volumes long). It's in the very first interview, where fans ask her how she came up with the series and the characters in general:
>Question number 13: Did you already decide from the beginning that Akito will be a woman? (question from Eriko)
>Answer: Yes. I always liked androgynous looking characters, they make me swoon (laugh)

>Question 15: Ever since the surprising revelation about Akito's sex, the story became more "adult/mature". Was this change always planned since the beginning of the series?

>Answer: Yes, indeed. It's the story's mature side by itself that interests me, but its outcome. I have a brain fart, not sure how to translate that shit properly. The message I try to convey in my manga is that you always reap the fruits of your labor, even if you do it in a shameful way as in, as if you're kind of an asshole. That's why Fruits Basket and my other series lead to a moment with a specific goal.

So yeah, she says she always planned Akito as a crossdressing woman, and while she could be lying, I have no idea how I could know for sure. I'll look for her anti-fujo meltdown though.

No. 178100

>>178099
Yeah my first instinct is to think she's lying, but that's just me being an ass and assuming. She could have planned it from the beginning and people think otherwise. I just know she does not like BL or anything like it.

No. 178101

>>178099
fruits basket is kinda shit

No. 178112

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>>178076
Lol ok

No. 178113

Begging you guys to stop infighting and just enjoy gays. You can argue in the mtf/ftm threads or something

No. 178115

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Anyways anons, guts and griffith canon. Berserk best manga.

No. 178116

>>178076
>lolishota dick
if that's all you think of when you see a depiction of nudity you are the pervert. not all nudity is sexual you freak.

No. 178117

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>>178116
such innocent and harmless nudity. who just doesn't want to see a child's genitals in full view? don't get me started on the horse rape. is that also nonsexual nudity? 5head

No. 178118

>>178117
holy fucking shit i never read berzerk but I'd seen some of the weird rape scenes so I assumed it was bad, but not THIS bad. This looks like the intro to a pedo hentai doujin

No. 178120

>>178117
No need for the mellow drama, we can still enjoy our gays in peace. Guts x Griffth for life.

No. 178121

>>178117
Ok anon we get it you hate berserk and everything it stands for and are the savior of 2d children, now post boys kissing or get the fuck out.

No. 178122

>>178117
Kinda interesting that within five minutes of that anon posting you're ready with the exact page, were you waiting for this moment or do you just always have 'lolishota' pics saved to your hard drive at all times?

No. 178123

>>178122
NTA but this is a weak argument I see all the time on here. Stop it.

>"Bad Thing didn't happen like that, you're delusional"

>someone posts the proof
>"uhhhhh why do you have pictures of Bad Thing on your computer anyway, huh? Maybe you're just as bad. Checkmate!"

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>>178116
nta, but do you think that the shitting scenes in Made In Abyss are also non sexual? get real anon
naked little kids don't have non-sexual intent behind them when they are drawn by dirty old men.

anyway, sorry for derail. here is a random BL i read today, it's called kimi to no dogfight. it's like a typical BL you find everywhere, but i enjoyed it so i wanted to share it in case someone is interested in it

No. 178126

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since i am here in the yaoi thread here i am posting ship art of my favorite yaoi ship. they fuck hard

>>178122
>um ackschually it's interesting that-
kekw it's not like i had to download the tor browser and fight my way through the dark web wiki to get access to berserk manga panels. might blow your mind away, i know, but there is this thing called google and it immediately shows up when you search for it

>>178125
at first glance it's so obvious who's the uke and who's the seme

No. 178127

>>178126
NTA but the panel you posted isn’t from berserk nonna. Not saying I agree or disagree just make sure you’re actually posting shit from the manga to make your point.

No. 178128

>>178127
>Duranki is a Japanese manga series written and produced by Kentaro Miura and illustrated by his personal manga studio, Studio Gaga.
oh well, written and produced by him then. sorry my bad

No. 178129

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Anyone here a fan of Chreon?

No. 178131

>>178129
i don't mind the ship, but chris definitely belongs to piers

No. 178132

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>>178131
BASED ANON I was so obsessed with with chris/piers I still have my folder kek

No. 178133

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>>178129
krauser x leon is good too! the homoerotic knife fight leon has with him in resident evil 4 is forever godly + there are a lot of good doujins with these two as well

https://myreadingmanga.info/fuego-katou-teppei-hold-my-hand-eng/

https://myreadingmanga.info/fuego-katou-teppei-plus-pink-resident-evil-dj-eng/

some good ones

No. 178135

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>>178132
feel free to post more nonny!

No. 178141

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>>178131
I like Chris x Piers the best too! I just posted Chreon because I was under the impression it was more popular.

No. 178143

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>>178135
Sure anon! I'll post my favorites kek chris-stan piers is always my favorite

No. 178144

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No. 178146

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>>178144
>folder full of 178 pictures of chris/piers from my days of lurking pixiv

No. 178155

>>178065
Griffith is too hot to be seen with anyone else. He needs masturbation fanart where he's just taking some time off and treating himself to some prostate massage.

No. 178156

>>178117
you were the one who brought up the page in berserk- which the page you shared is not even from, so that is what i was responding to. but nice that you have this saved and ready to go, kinda proves my point tbh. Also the horse is literally a demon, what is context. i'm not saying berserk is without flaws, but are you gonna start protesting the opening of dbz where goku's penis is shown while he's a literal baby too? do you consider that lolishota dick too you weirdo. very black and white thinking you got there.

No. 178159

>>178156
nta but you're bring willfully obtuse. Anyone can see that page (idk or care if its from berzerk or not) is not the same as the typical way child nudity is drawn, which usually is done with like 2 lines for a penis and certainly not with glowy steam and sweat effects all over like in the posted page. Quit repeating your dumb "but you had to save it to your device to post it, that makes YOU a pedo too!" gotcha, it's literally sooo dumb.

No. 178160

>>178159
sorry another anon having the same point as me made you seethe nonnie, but there are in fact multiple people who use lolcow. and how is it being willfully obtuse when i was saying a completely different page that i had seen was more innocent than a page i had never seen before? bringing up a drawing to make a point and then using something different as a 'gotcha' when an anon disagrees is retarded.

No. 178161

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Why does every fucking thread have to always devolve into the shota argument jesus christ. It’s autistic to come into a thread totally unprompted to shit on a series you don’t like because an anon asked a question and it’s also retarded to keep replying to this anons obvious bait. Just move on and ignore the retardation.
>>178146
Thank you so much for sharing these nonnie I thoroughly enjoyed them.

No. 178163

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>>178161
i'm sorry nonnie please forgive me i'll drop it now <3

No. 178164

>>178116
this shit is why oldfujos are insufferable now. i hate cringing through rape so i moved on to modern bl, and you bitches are getting worse with your 'its just fiction' crap. you know you're defending loli when you defend shota too, right? and using the same argument pedos use irl 'if you see it like that, you're the pervert!!'

No. 178165

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No. 178167

>>178164
You’re right and you should say it. I think some Fujos are so used to being shat on for no reason that they go too far into the opposite direction and start defending the depraved shit scrotes draw as if it’s the same as a woman drawing two anime dudes getting it on

No. 178170

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>>178141
Posting a few of my favorites from my bookmarks.

No. 178172

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No. 178173

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No. 178177

>>178061
karasuma piyohiko has talked about going on dates with women and liked terfy posts about how the lgbt community revolves around men (gay men and transwomen) on her fandom account lel
the author of my lesbian experience with loneliness is (was?) a fujo but idk if she ever published anything

No. 178187

>>177972
>its not real
Exactly?

No. 178188

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No. 178190

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>>178065
I don’t think it’s necessarily slept on as much as it’s just basically nonexistent in the western berserk fandom due to a big portion of the readers being moids. I also feel like in today’s culture it just wouldn’t be accepted by the woke crowd because waaah abusive Griffith evil.

No. 178191

>>178188
Samefag, bless you anon.

No. 178193

>>178099
So she introduced a "male" character flirting and sleeping around with another one (idk if her sex was revealed when they showed the pannel of her with shigure in bed) and went ape when fujo ate that shit?

No. 178201

>>178117
There are mangaka who have been caught with actual cp and charged with abusing children, but you want to nitpick over a dead man’s drawing.

Genuinely kill yourself you are sjw cancer and just as bad as scrotes

No. 178203

Is there any japanese ebook website that does what Futekiya does? You pay a small monthly fee and get access to their entire bl library. I need that but in japanese.

No. 178207

>>178117
man I find it so hard to care after being desensitized by all the twitterfags crying wolf over muh fictional CP, I just can't bring myself to give a shit about cartoons being naked even if it's weird stuff this isn't even like a sexy toddler in a bikini spreading her legs like 90% of moid content is

>>178164
women don't rape IRL kids anon, your "if the genders were switched" argument doesn't work

No. 178208

>>178177
>Karasuma Piyohiko is a based and pinkpilled lesbian terf queen
Holy shit you just made my day nonny, I have a new favourite BL artist now

No. 178210

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Ever since I beat the Dai Gyakuten Saiban compilation I can't stop thinking about Sherlock and Mikotoba, I was about to delete my twitter account but I decided to start following artists who like this pairing. I remember that not only Kumiko Suekane made Edgeworth and Phoenix total fujobait, and she made the devs read BL manga after the very first Ace Attorney game sold well, but Shu Takumi decided to put as much fanservice as possible in AA4 despite Suekane telling him afterward that it was excessive. For the ones who don't mind spoilers do you think Sherlock and Mikotoba's relationship is meant to just be 100% platonic or do you think Takumi wanted to add a little subtext on purpose?

>>178193
iirc Shigure and Akito's relationship is revealed right after that. But we see Akito and Kureno making out just a few pages before the revelation.

No. 178268

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>>178177
I found this comment about Asada Nemui on Amazon JP and now I’m dying to know what her side account is

No. 178271

>>178268
based if true

No. 178272

>>178268
Asada Nemui is a guy?

No. 178274

>>178268
Holy shit, i love her just by her works alone but i'd love for this to be true. I hope it is

No. 178293

>>178272
Nah, it’s MTL being wonky

No. 178330

>>178207
Twittertards are so weird. They'll throw a fit over stuff like underage anime girls being aged up for erotic art and you'll see zoomers trying to cancel each other for DMing a 17 year-old when they were 18, but are perfectly content to excuse actual child molestation done by troons. Weird place.
>>178268
I wonder what her "terrible tansphobic remarks" are.

No. 178331

>>178330
>I wonder what her "terrible tansphobic remarks" are.
I wouldn't be surprised if it were a completely normal opinion or fact that she stated in a neutral way, you know how these people are, they love exaggerating everything.

No. 178340

>>178268
I wonder if this is a western troon. I have no idea what are the "transphobic remarks" but wouldn't be surprised if it was shit like "she called menstruators women" or something along those lines. Tried looking into it but couldn't find anything. Agree with >>178271 though, based if true.

No. 178342

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>>178340
I’m pretty sure that the review was for Call but it looks like Amazon deleted it. Another reviewer left a comment about it, saying that it’s rude to expose the author’s thoughts when their manga don’t have any transphobic content.

No. 178345

>>178330
The price of being told what to think and raised on mentally ill side of tumblr. I truly believe if people collectively ignored troon and genderinas complaints, the world would be a better more chill place

No. 178359

>>178188
AYART, THANK YOU, also
>>178191
??? bitch

No. 178386

>>178359
I meant samefag because I made the post right above explaining why the ship isn’t popular not because I was pretending to be you, calm down.

No. 178411

>>178076
>because griffith is a rapist and this manga is fucking garbage
As opposed to BL stories, that are known by their healthy and well developed depiction of romance. Right, retard-chan?

No. 178421

>>178330
>They'll throw a fit over stuff like underage anime girls being aged up for erotic art
And then five minutes later they masturbate to underage KiriBaku fanart kek

No. 178441

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No. 178446

>>178411
Look anon I'm sorry someone criticizing your fav manga has you so upset but you really sound hilariously retarded throwing out nonsense whataboutisms. People not liking sexualized rape scenes doesn't make them retarded and it certainly doesn't mean they like it in other media either, like you imply.

>>178441
lol cope

No. 178461

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>>178330
Speaking of Twitterfags and troons, looking for slashfic in a fandom with a lot of Aidens fucking sucks. No matter how many Ao3 tags related to trannies I put in the "exclude" category, I still have to sift through a bunch of tranny wank fantasies about top scars and PIV. I wish they'd just cut the crap and write a fic where they ship themselves with one of the characters, since it's obvious Aidens are self-inserting as the character they "headcanon" as trans.

No. 178557

To any anons here who read raw bl where do you go to find out what's popular among Japanese fujos?

No. 178569

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>>178201
THIS
These idiots only mess with people who can't defend themselves (in this case a dead man) that the worst thing he did was draw a rape scene in a DARK FANTASY manga, i want to see those twitterfag bastards try to cancel successfully the author of samurai X who got caught with real CP


(pic related with the best ship on bleach,to return to the topic )

No. 178571

>>178461
Oof, sorry to hear that. My main fandom is thankfully light on Aidens and the ones who are there are at least decent enough to tag their conversion therapy self-insert fapfics, but the other fandom I'm a part of(FE) is absolutely bursting at the seams with them. Probably something like 20% of dirty fanfics about Felix involve him being a TIF getting raped and impregnated by Sylvain or Dimitri, it's insane. I do love how pissy they get when readers un-bookmark their fics when a male character is TIF-ified though, kek

No. 178572

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>>178441
CUTIE PATOOTIE

No. 178574

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>>178569
Defend that Bleach ship please, because clearly the best Bleach ship is Gin x Izuru

No. 178577

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>>178461
Being a semi-popular fujo artist and trying to avoid these tards presence is purgatorial as well. They actually try to entrap you into taking their titmangle commissions and randomly nonconsensually erp about it in my comments/DMs. I can't even state that I don't draw trannyshit so I just have to vaguely be "Oh I don't want to do this," "Why? You can have my fakeboi be penetrated by another guy what's wrong lol?" "my fridge isn't running gtg" "Ok when you come back we can discuss his t-dicks size :3," and the cycle restarts forever until I shoot myself I guess.

No. 178582

>>178577
>"Ok when you come back we can discuss his t-dicks size :3"
Jfc i'm so sorry anon

No. 178583

>>178577
I wonder how many of those Aidens are genuinely just too autismal to realize your discomfort and how many are actively trying to get you to slip up so they can try and cancel you for twansphobia. I hope by some miracle they leave you alone and let you do what you want, dealing with them sounds nightmarish

No. 178587

>>178577
>entrap you into taking their titmangle commissions
Kek. I'm sorry anon. What would happen if you wrote in your profile that you only draw "cis" guys?

No. 178590

>>178461
>>178571
>Probably something like 20% of dirty fanfics about Felix involve him being a TIF getting raped and impregnated by Sylvain or Dimitri, it's insane.
Holy fuck kek. I would accept omegaverse and magic mpreg or some ridiculous fantasy shit even if it is cringe over making characters into actual troons. It sounds borderline homophobic when you want to make it straight PIV sex even though I know they want to self-insert and create more ~representation~ and whatever. But seeing how so many fujos, me included, are lesbians and feel uncomfortable with the setting including a male dick in a female vagina it should be without saying that even by their woke-aligned logic they should tag appropriately. Some of them apparently refuse to do so because "trans men are real men and should be included under m/m" and fuck lesbians anyway I guess.

>>178587
She would be branded a MLM fetishist and a transphobe, of course.

No. 178591

>>178571
For real, what is it about FE that attracts so many Aidens? It was a fucking nightmare trying to find decent fic sorting through all the trans stuff, I just gave up kek if any of you have some good fic with the blue lions boys please share

No. 178593

>>178583
I'm pretty sure they're just too autistic and occupied with their trans headcanons to realize how uncomfortable it is for their readers, I doubt most Aiden kinnies are as malicious and narcissistic as a lot of AGP transbians who send rape threats to people if they don't comply to their insane demands.

>>178591
>Nintendo brand
>Lots of different characters you can romance
>Can be experienced through Youtube let's plays instead of playing it yourself
That's all you need.

No. 178594

>>178590
>She would be branded a MLM fetishist and a transphobe, of course.

Would that be bad though? It would mean that aydens stay away.

No. 178595

>>178571
The topic of Felix being constantly trannified came up earlier in this thread, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed because at first I thought I was imagining things.

No. 178598

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>>178461
I understand your pain anon, this kind of thing made me put a great RIP to the fandom of Hannibal, Overwatch and soon The Witcher. It is very tiring to try to avoid this content and you simply do not enjoy anything (and I will not talk about the fandoms that I see little but it still has that which makes me not even want to try it)

No. 178599

>>178591
I'm a FE oldfag, most of the Aidens came into the fandom after Awakening blew up. It's probably mostly just because of the timing since 2013 was when troonacy really started to take off, but the marriage+children mechanic combined with the very popular Chrom/M!Robin pairing probably "cracked a few eggs", to use their vernacular.

For those who don't know/don't play the game: minus their support conversations, the main male protagonist's relationship with the male PC in-story is identical to his relationship with the female PC, who he can marry and have children with

No. 178605

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>>178574
just beautiful in everything haha

No. 178606

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>>178583
they seem to lean to the retarded side, honestly. don't know why they target me in particular
>>178594
I don't really want to get ostracized/never get employment again I am surrounded by them in artland, here's all the dodges I could come up with and my best advice to any other fujo is to go "ZAMM I GOTTA GO PICK UP A PACKAGE RN BRUH" and never speak to them again

No. 178611

>>178594
>Why would it be bad to be labeled a transphobe in a time when it means complete, absolute ostracization from your social circles with everyone abandoning you because they don't want to associate with you in public, people will harass you endlessly, contact your employer and ruin your livelihood while the only people willing to defend you are homophobic right-wing nuts?
Yeah I wonder. If they just stayed away it would be great of course but they never leave it that, they have to burn your whole persona down.

No. 178618

>>178611
They have too much power, I wish everyone sane would put their foot down and tell them to fuck off.

No. 178626

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>>178599
Based FE oldfag, I'm one too and I thought we didn't exist anymore kek. I hope in future games they tone down the self-insert, 3h was going in a better direction, even if Byleth was retarded at least I didn't have to suffer through a sea of screenshots of people's self insert Corrin avatarxRyoma images.
I wish I could give BL fic recs, but I'm unfortunately a BE fag (love Dimidue and some rarepairs in the blue lions though). Instead of reading about them transing Felix I get to read about them doing it to Ferdinand though, fucking hate that. I'm really close to just going back to old ass fandoms like FE4 or FE7 kek.

No. 178631

>>178626
Nice to see another one of us on lolcow! God I hate the self insert MCs so much, but given how popular they I doubt they're going away any time soon. I actually disliked Byleth more than the other two; at least Robin and Corrin had canon personalities and most people would use their default designs in fanart, but Byleth is just a blank-faced ball of nothing that the world revolves around to make the player feel special. 3H would've been so much better without her.

Unfortunately, Heroes is giving exposure to the older games and they've started to infect those fandoms as well. I've seen a recent uptick in Ike x FtM Soren that doesn't appear to be slowing down anytime soon. And I haven't seen anyone trying to make Hector or Eliwood fakebois yet(thank god) have seen a startling amount of MtF Lyn X Florina. Can't have shit kek

No. 178632

>>178606
There are other options. You can ghost people who bring up tranny shit in your DMs or comments section. You can also alienate them from your work by drawing fanart of ships SJWs consider "problematic" (i.e., big age gaps, hateships.) Unfortunately being branded as being a "problematic" shipper is less damaging to your reputation that objecting to the tranny craze. Aidens also generally aren't fond of bears and bara– they typically prefer androgynous bishonen. Drawing more of that might potentially steer them away.

Never, ever, agree to do a commission before you know what the person wants. That's just common sense. Don't even respond to DMs from people with tranny shit in their Twitter/Tumblr bios.

No. 178634

>>178626
>>178631
f!byleth ships are all over my timeline and frankly i dislike her more than f!corrin

No. 178635

>>178632
>Aidens also generally aren't fond of bears and bara– they typically prefer androgynous bishonen.
This isn't really true nowadays, androgynous bishounens really went out of vogue a couple of years ago and I've seen a rocketing increase in Aidens simping for hairy bodybuilders, "dadbods" and older male characters because they're "real men" and liking these "real men" makes them true and honest gay males who totally aren't a walking gay minstrel show and respect the gay male culture unlike all those fetishizing fujo bitches with their fetishized bishounens.

No. 178636

Speaking of the troonification of BL, have you noticed it's started to creep into japanese fandoms too? I see so much cuntboy art on Pixiv while trying to browse BL, often thrown together with normal dickboy art. Other troonish weirdness like huge blatantly female tits on males is becoming unavoidable as well.

It doesn't bother me as much in japanese art because at least it's less ugly and less likely to be obvious aiden self-insert in a cringe way. There are never any clitdicks or breast scars so it's more clearly fantasy like futa.

>>178635
This is true, if anything old school bishonens are more safe from this type of fan.

No. 178638

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>>178626
>I hope in future games they tone down the self-insert
>3h was going in a better direction
I refuse to believe you put these two contradictory concepts in the same sentence. I simply refuse to. Byleth is an abomination, and Edelgard being a mindless shitty, badly written waifu is the best proof of the self-insert thing going out of control. At least Robin and Corrin had their own personalities so if you don't want to self-insert in their games you can just see them as their own characters. I forgive you because you like Dimidue though.

>I get to read about them doing it to Ferdinand though

Isn't the reason why he's a prime target just because he's too busy to cut his hair? That's somehow even more retarded than with Felix.

No. 178640

>>178636
Sage for samefagging but Japanese artists always tag their "cuntboy" art on twitter so it's easy to avoid. I don't use any other platforms to look for art though. Japanese fujoshi truly don't give a fuck, at least in their case I'm sure they draw that because they like pussy and not because they want to look unproblematic.

That reminds me of how, just a few days ago, I saw an article about an American FTM getting pregnant and giving birth that was trending in Japan and some of the most liked replies to these tweets were Japanese fujoshi saying that it was cool because it was just like in their favorite omegaverse BL manga/fics. Imagine seeing this among western fakebois and fujoshi.

No. 178648

>>178636
I don't really mind cuntboys that much, I don't like them but I'm willing to tolerate because the Japanese treat it as a oneshot fetish quirk instead of a whole character arc. It's the actual troonification complete with top surgery scars and "t-dicks" and moping and brooding over muh gender dysphoria shit that turns me off.

No. 178651

>>178634
>>178638
Self inserting for all the games (Awakening, Fates, 3h) is extremely annoying, I agree with you. I was much more able to ignore Byleth or write them out of the story entirely though, as opposed to Corrin or Robin. Not touching the Edelgard stuff, the endless reeing about her character is stupid. I don't pair any of the lords with Byleth and I ignore their weird simping moments.

Ferdinand is a very pretty guy in general, and has some lines in the game about grooming (trimming his eyebrows etc.) plus the hair thing. He's got some GNC moments so they use it to troon him out basically. I like his character and interactions a lot but I only ever see japanese fanwork from him portrayed well.

>>178631
Oh fuck, I completely forgot about Heroes. You're so right though. I was just replaying PoR too, I hate that troonshit has infested everything.

No. 178652

>>178636
>>178640
I mainly use pixiv and yes, I can say that there was an increase in cuntboy fetish, and the worst thing is that they always tag it together with the yaoi / BL which is very annoying. being treated like a fetish doesn't take away from how tiring it is to watch.
>>178635
They try to turn the bara into "not like other fujo gaydens" and then this shit of drawing bara like women, instead of big pecs they literally put breasts, and sometimes they put the character with a ridiculously feminine attitude and seeing scars on the chest is very disgusting. bara is ruining

No. 178662

>>178557
Chilchil has a ranking, I also sub to BLUE BL digitally and occasionally they have new artists

No. 178704

>>178557
Popularity isn't the best way to pick your manga. A lot of the most popular things end up sucking or being generic rape bl.
I would just follow bl publishers and check out anything that seemed nice.

No. 178708

>>178557
Popularity is not the main deciding factor when it comes to BL for me, but there are the BL awards each year: https://ebookjapan.yahoo.co.jp/content/bl/award/chillchill/2021/index.html (this is last year's)
Mostly I find new stuff by following an author, recommendations or from reading free samples. Chil Chil is a great resource if there's something particular your interested in.

No. 178713

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another day, another fanfic that springs surprise pussy and top surgery scars on me. being fujo is suffering.

No. 178719

>>178713
Which pairing was it this time? Did it have a lot of kudos or reviews? I feel like the more kudos a fanfic has the less likely it's going to have trannies.

No. 178720

>>178713
they didnt tag it? rude af tbh and then these aidens get mad when people complain in the comments

No. 178721

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>>178719
akira/akechi. it did have a few hundred kudos, i think? i just noped out so quickly kek.
>I feel like the more kudos a fanfic has the less likely it's going to have trannies
it's almost like most people hate tranny stuff in their BL, huh?

>>178720
nope. it has happened a few times already, and it really bothers me. i'm here to read about dick on dick and then i have to read about some dude's pussy and clit and how he's totally a manly man.

No. 178745

>>178721
Let me guess. The tif was Akechi?

No. 178750

I honestly didn't know there is so much aiden fanfic but to be fair most slash that i read is kpop

No. 178751

While we're talking about fics, what are the fics or tropes you dislike and why? I can't stand Ace Attorney fanfics that make the characters ooc because they're always ooc in the exact same way, it feels like I played a different game from the writers. For example people love to make Apollo either super angry at Klavier all the time or shy and kawawii uwuwu around Klavier, or Klavier is always praising Apollo for literally just existing instead of occasionally making fun of him and teasing and flirting with him like in the games. I don't even want to imagine how the Dai Gyakuten Saiban fics must be, now that the oldfags have been replaced by gender obsessed teenage girls. I'm especially worried about homumiko because teenagers writing about gay single fathers above the age of 30 years old already sounds awful enough.

I also hated it in Persona 4 fanfics whenever writers tried and failed to write Yosuke's gay panic for the MC in a serious way.

No. 178756

>>178751
I hate found family/(adopted or assbaby) kid plot points I don't especially want to read about what the author desired in a parental figure or how they personally mind their children because it's creepy. And I don't want to be introduced to their donut steel oc

No. 178758

>>178756
Same, I hate when the pairing suddenly has kids, unless that's literally the case in canon. And I thought OCs were more in het fics, maybe I'm good at avoiding them?

No. 178759

>>178751
omegaverse, mpreg, soulmates, arranged marriage, fake dating. and as for general bl tropes i hate the "straight turned gay by force" and "gay only for you" trope. i also hate the trope when another character gets in between them just for cheap drama

No. 178762

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>>178751
i read fanfic mostly as a means to compliment canon, not replace it so i hate AUs especially fantasy ones, ooc writing etc… canon divergence can be good if well plotted
song fics, chat fics, all the usual boring tropes (fake dating, only one bed bla bla), mpreg, tentacles, trannies, kidfics are on the shitlist too. theres more but thats all i can be arsed to think of

random kinoven page to keep this thread visually interesting

No. 178764

>>178751
This is less common than ABOshit or outright troonfying one of the characters, but I hate it when they make the bottom have an intersex condition he didn't know about until he suddenly gets knocked up. I know it's all fantasy, but that's not how intersex conditions work! No intersex men have fully functioning female reproductive systems tucked behind their balls or something. If you must make your OTP have assbabies, at least stick to the tried and true "lol magic" route or something Honestly though, what's wrong with adoption? Wish more writers took that route if they want them to have a family.

I also really hate it when they make the bottom much smaller/weaker/smaller dicked(lol) than the top, especially when in-canon there isn't much physical difference between them.

No. 178767

>>178762
Based anon, I can't fucking stand AUs or the fake dating/only one bed bullshit and they're the most popular themes at the moment. They're always lazy, predictable and boring no matter how masterfully they're written.

I honestly don't even mind ABOshit even though I hate it because I'd rather have that than any troonified gay made straight penis in vagina fic ever.

No. 178769

i think the problem with fanfiction now is that its keeps increasing in quantity and declining in quality aka every fucking 14 year old is writing and posting shit now, aka children who have never read anything outside of fanfiction and bad young adult novels themselves and just replicate what they grew up on. its very first world problems to be annoyed by this and 'dont like dont read' i know but it gets fucking frustrating wading through pages of garbage trying to find something competent and i dont remember it being quite this bad even ten years ago. or maybe i just have higher standards now idk

No. 178770

>>178762
off topic sorry, but i haven't read given in months– is there finally some progress with hiiragi and shizusumi???

No. 178771

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>>178770
they fucked (off screen but confirmed) and it was very problematic and kinda rapey (based)

No. 178772

>>178769
Idk, my standards have also increased with age but I don't really mind it. Sure their fics are usually not the best, but they're still just kids in the process of learning how to write an engaging story. Most people aren't born prodigies and need to practice to actually get good at something, and as long as they're open to fair criticism I think it's a good thing. Really do wish teenagers wouldn't write smut though, even if I did so myself when I was one kek

No. 178779

>>178767
>>178762
I hate any type of modern AUs because suddenly the characters all work at an american starbucks or whatever. Why would characters from an Asian or European setting become American all of a sudden? Even my immortal at least tried despite putting Hot Topic stores in Great Britain.

>>178769
Ten years ago the shitty fics were in ff.net and the good ones were in ao3. I don't even think 14yo fakebois even know ff.net exists.

No. 178783

>>178771
ah too bad, i don't like rapey shit. good for them tho!

No. 178801

>>178721
It never fucking fails for that ship to have the tranny shit. NEVER. The fanfic thread here had recommended an extension for AO3 and it blacklists tags. It fucking saved my life and experience in AO3. No more tranny or gender bullshit unless they don't tag it. But you can put the author's name to block their works with that extension

AO3rdr is the extension. Self fucking care at its finest

No. 178808

>>178762
Kinoven? I haven't read this one, nice choice of page though nonna. Can I ask for the link to the manga this looks just So good

No. 178810

>>178808
anon its fucking given lol

No. 178814

Is Given worth it? I mean I read the manga years ago but it was mostly boring tbh. Watched some of the anime but also boring. Not enough bl for me, too much about music and other things I don't remember. Does it suddenly get a lot better or what.

No. 178817

>>178814
It was boring for me too kek the breathy “la la la” part always makes me laugh whenever it crosses my mind.

No. 178824

>>178751
Honestly every fandom I've ever been in has this problem, but it's one of my pet peeves too. I glaze over fics now if they start doing this.
Otherwise I hate most smut (it's hard to find good and well written stuff), fake dating plots, OCxCanon Character, 'x character has his soulmate's name tattooed on his ankle but hasn't met him yet oOOooOOh'
>>178801
Thanks for the extension rec, love it

No. 178867

>>178751
I just want to read Apollo and Kris going at it but the new standards of morals and ethics makes it “ too problematic” despite them both being grown ass adults

No. 178884

>>178867
Same, all the older fics were all about Kristoph being horribly abusive and Apollo being traumatized despite this not making any sense when they take place before the story of the game. This applies to Phoenix/Apollo as well. Somehow people think Apollo's potential daddy issues isn't exactly what makes it spicy. They even try to manage to sanitize Klavier/Apollo because they also can't stand Klavier lightly teasing Apollo and having some funny banter whenever he says stupid in the game so Klavier is all over Apollo instead. Big spoiler for TGAA I've even seen some people on twitter saying that the age gap between Sherlock and Mikotoba and the fact that they first met 16 years before the game started is problematic. I don't think fans are like this with the characters from the trilogy.

No. 178885

>>178814
i thought it was cute and impactful but im not big into BL. it seems to have gained a very woke fanbase on tiktok so im wondering how they’re reacting to the sexual assault elements lol

No. 178887

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>>178814
that depends on what youre into. do you like mostly introspective monologue driven narratives? are you a fan of melancholic pretentious melodrama? is art style a prominent factor for your enjoyment of any given (heh) series? do you like sports manga? do you like gusaris haikyuu doujins?
if so, yes given is kino
if you expect sex or much fluff, no dont read given

No. 178926

OT but I'm just happy to see fujos who can't stand troon bullshit. It's hell trying to navigate as a fujo who enjoys problematic fiction and recognizes the misogyny and homophobia integrated in the trans movement because the polilez "radfem" side shames you for being a degenerate coomer and the kweer libfem side demands you to suck girldick and either transition or drop being a "fetishist". Things are though but you are all queens and never forget it.

The tradthot homophobes who only hate trannies by their association with homosexuality can go fuck themselves though

No. 178937

>>178926
In my experience, the shaming comes more from FTMs than it does from anyone else. It's like FTMs think that they've "earned" the right to like yaoi by trooning out, so they screech at normal fujoshis about how we're "fetishizing gay men." At least the gay guys we "fetishize" are fictional and we're not slicing off our tits to chase after real ones.

No. 178962

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>>178926
I saw this image in another thread and felt it's very relevant to fanfics and published works.
Fuck the "queers" and their terrible writing.

No. 178983

>>178962
Inherent cringe aside, I love how gaydens think they're doing an important form of activism by writing their shitty, overwrought, after school special-esque fanfics. Way to go to all the Noahs, Braydyns and Calebs of aO3, I'm sure your explicit 250k wordcount MHA rape fanfics where Bakugo has a surprise pussy and mastectomy scars really changed a lot of minds for the better on transgenderism. kek

No. 179009

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>>178632
Oh I do ignore them and draw the worst taste stuff possible which only seems to imply that i'm fine with new-half fetish and attracts even more aggressive requests to draw it. Also I only follow 27 people and 100% of them have turned out to be troons and I've muted every single involved person but it's like a super autistic hydra. Living in this comedy sketch is more stressful than anything else

>>178926
I love every fujofarmer here too anon, happy late yaoimas to everyone

No. 179013

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I dunno if I would consider myself a fujoshi since I rarely care about romance in general, but I quickly became attached to this incest pairing recently. I must see them fuck.

No. 179015

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Are you watching it?

No. 179018

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>>178926
I'm sick of younger fujoshi and fakebois as well, I feel like this thread is the only place where I can talk about BL, and lolcow.farm as a whole is the only place where I can talk about entertainment as a whole freely. The new fujoshi imageboard is a bit slow unfortunately but its existence is a pretty good sign imo. I remember participating a lot in fandoms years ago and now all I do is just follow a few Asian and European artists on twitter who like the specific video games I like and I never post anything to avoid weirdos. I love you all so much.

No. 179020

>>179013
who are they?

No. 179022

>>178926
I'm with you anon. I love me all the problematic content. If it makes me a "fetishist" or whatever so be it

No. 179031

>>179020
amagi rinne & amagi hiiro from ensemble stars

No. 179042

this kind of relates to the topic, but also probably doesn't relate so feel free to shut me down if that's the case.

anyways, all over social media, I've been seeing people talk about women writing gay men (m/m) stories mainly and talking about women fetishizing gay men, i wonder how this coincides with the internets love to hate women who enjoy things, in this case, fujoshis, and stuff like that.

sorry, i'm not the most eloquent, but it's something i'm interested in.

No. 179052

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>>179013
Based as fuck, anon. They've got a lot of chemistry. I'm more of a Reiritsu liker myself though.

No. 179078

>>179015
It's cute but feels very outdated to me. The fujospeak at the very beginning was cringe, I hope they don't make any more jokes like that.

No. 179096

>>178926
idk why you guys care about the opinions of normies/gays/woke westerners. I have never had this problem because I simply don't hang around them. They are not the target audience so you should just ignore them. You'll have to stop hanging around Twitter and reddit I guess.

No. 179098

>>179096
It's not that simple, sometimes depending on who you hang out with online or what you like you will end up seeing these people whether you like it or not. And these crazy assholes did change fandoms as a whole for the worse. Normies in general using the internet on a daily basis made it infinitely worse regardless of fandoms as well. For example a decade ago I used to be on livejournal, pixiv and a little bit on tumblr to look for fics and art of the series, manga and video games I liked, or even just to talk about it with likeminded people and now livejournal is a zombie, pixiv is kind of dying, and tumblr… let's not even talk about tumblr, there's too much to say. Now if I want to look for pretty art of some of the specific video game characters I like it's either on twitter or mayyybe on instagram if it's not too niche. I using twitter just for that and I keep blocking anyone who might expose me to al this queerios discourse bullshit so I'm only following non Americans and I follow like 50 people at the very most. Yet I still sometimes see tweets about how terfs are anti-fujoshi or whatever nonsense.

tldr; depending on fandoms and pairings you will see retarded normies or "achillean MLM uwu" opinions on your TL even if you block people and mute specific keywords, unless you stop using the internet completely unless you're surrounded by nerds irl like I am, then there's no escape, rip.

No. 179111

>>179015
What's the name of it???

No. 179113

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Didn’t realize Kabukicho Bad Trip had a second volume. Also I just finished reading the story about the piano boys- cute and I’m happy it was a happy ending

No. 179115

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>>179113
It's so good, I love the artstyle and story and the characters appeal to all my tastes. But I felt like after the first chapters it kind of fell off. The build-up is always really good but then the explicit scenes just end up fizzling out somehow. I can't put my finger on it, it just feels too mature and serious in my opinion. Like the chapter where they went on a date together and Tooru wore the choker and ropes and then they went to a hotel and it was just over in an anticlimactic way. It's cute that the couple cares about each other so much, but the way they keep talking around stuff and how weird they are about bdsm is so strange and almost cringeworthy. Still really good though, I wish there was more like it

No. 179116

>>179042
I think there’s always been some disconnect with women in the industry, like BL magazines have predominantly female artists and editors - but you won’t find any female editors for magazines like Shonen Jump. So I feel like BL is kind of credited with opening more doors for women in the industry but even back in the 70s/80s it made men annoyed that women were participating in events like comiket. I wish I had a source to confirm this but apparently men intentionally tried to keep women away by producing more lolicon manga during the eighties

No. 179117

>not recognizing given
>not recognizing sasaki to miyano
do your reps

No. 179126

>>179096
None of my friends are into this bullshit but it requires a very thoroughly curated friend group full of people you can trust not to leak DM messages of you saying "problematic" things in private and it also limits you from ever straying to the open fandom waters. You can't control who sees your content for example, so the moment you post your fanart/fanfics into the social media to share it around you're in inherent danger of some underage MLM themlet calling you a pedo for shipping Boku no Hero Academia characters or demanding you to add vaginas on men or else you're a fetishist. If you piss off the wrong person they will obsessively go through your entire internet history to find that one dodgy thing you said in 2010 and turn it against you. Nobody is safe from this shit unless you go fully offline which is pretty much out of the question in this day and age.

>>179116
Here are your sources nonny:
https://crawfordpro.wordpress.com/2020/05/03/article-the-castle-of-doom-and-the-lolicon-boom/
https://www.kaorinusantara.or.id/english/2199/women-and-yaoi-in-japanese-dojinshi-culture

No. 179133

>>179126
Thanks.

No. 179144

>>179116
> it made men annoyed that women were participating in events like comiket
Women are the reason why Gundam still exists. They saved the fucking series. Figurefag scrotes could never

No. 179148

>>179144
Isn't that the case for most good anime and vidya? Shonenshit like Naruto or Dragon Ball were popular because of teenage boys with no taste while Gintama, anything by Rumiko Takahashi, FMA, etc. were popular with women. Don't get me started with Japanese video games that are more popular with women despite targetting a male audience or being misunderstood by their male audience.

No. 179156

>>179126
I'll never understand this compulsion men feel to try and ruin things for others, especially women. If you don't like yaoi or BL, just… don't consume it. It's that simple. I don't like the gross "10 year-old-looking girl in fetish gear" stuff that comprises the majority of coomer anime art intended for moids, so I just avoid it as best I can, as do most other women from what I can see.

No. 179163

>>179156
They want us to deal with a male dominated media. Stuff made for women or by women is a threat, don’t they always scream about feminization and things being bad because of women in every fucking field? Honestly it used to hurt my feelings but now my attitude is just let them seethe

No. 179222

>>179098
>Yet I still sometimes see tweets about how terfs are anti-fujoshi or whatever nonsense.
It's bizarre to see the "antiship" side of the discourse claiming it's the terfs who are "heterosexual cis women fetishizing gay people" and the other side claiming it's these antiships who are terfs because "a lot of fujos are trans men and BL helped them realize that". "Terf" doesn't even mean anything anymore, it's a catch-all term for someone they project their fictional conservative Karen stereotype into.

>>179156
I don't think any of us can understand it as we don't represent the privileged gender that has oppressed the other one for hundreds of years and only in the past decades has been held marginally accountable for it. Men live in a different world from us, they're used to getting their way, never having to tolerate things they don't like and above all having women worship them, not a bunch of fictional boys real life scrotes find unappealing. It's just a level of entitlement completely foreign to women who are raised to be self-sacrificing. The more women that realize this and stop giving a shit about male feelings the better.

No. 179257

>>179222
> It's bizarre to see the "antiship" side of the discourse claiming it's the terfs who are "heterosexual cis women fetishizing gay people" and the other side claiming it's these antiships who are terfs because "a lot of fujos are trans men and BL helped them realize that".

Amen to this, when I joined a seemingly well-known proshipper group and asked for information about anti-shippers and how to counter with their harassment. What I got were graphs and really graphic details of "proofs that antis drove a minor to suicide" and "antis & puritans are the product of radfem grooming them from tumblr". I ended up getting nowhere with those kinds of conversation and speculation. I have no doubt that these proshipper had thought that I was some anti psypop for asking these information and got really defensive when they started harassing a couple of youtubers that think Hannibal's writer was cringe.
I don't know, man, I just want to gush about anime boys being affectionate towards each other without being immediately assigned to a certain Extreme political ideology that I have zero knowledge about. I can't believe we cant have that kind of minimum of enjoyment in this day and age.

No. 179297

>>179257
Both sides blame terfs for antis/proshippers, and both sides have shitty arguments for it. It's so weird. I almost want to put that I'm a terf on my bio but I don't want to be banned.

No. 179298

>>179257
I think the "antis are being groomed by radfems" claim came from some tumblr post that made fun of all the aidens larping as gay men written by a polilez antishipper and the proship side took that and ran with it, even though almost all of the "antis" I've seen have been troons themselves. The whole divide is beyond retarded though and while the antishipper side is the worst by far because most of them are retarded and mentally ill minors the proship side has its cows too, such as the people who unironically defend moid-pandering lolicon porn because they think they're obligated to do so in order to justify themselves liking a short or high school aged male character. That's what you get when you accuse women of being "just as bad as men" because they like some dodgy things when they could never sink to a scrote's level of degeneracy.

No. 179301

>>179298
The cows on the pro side tend to be cows because they take that shit way too seriously. Like they have so much free time they write super long essays about things that don't matter that much.

No. 179303

>>179301
sage bc offtopic but yeah they really do, cant remember how often ive seen some random tirade about how being a cryptoswerf by disliking lolicon leads to the murder of 3 gorillion transwimmin or whatever from that zombiejerusalem person cross my timeline and then you look these people up and it turns out theyre in their thirties unemployed and get into beef with 13 year old tiktok zoomers for kohi donations kek

do we have a dedicated thread for the anti vs proshipper wars? bc theres a lot of milk there

No. 179304

>>179303
I'd love a thread about that but I wouldn't know where to start. If someone wants to start a thread I'm definitely going to read it though.

No. 179305

the fujo fandom space has changed so much, pairings like sebaciel, usuk and wincest which were considered normie entry-level 10 yrs ago are now deemed as controversial and offensive
i think the klance vs sheith wars ruined an entire generation

No. 179307

>>179305
fruk is better than usuk so I don't mind it that much.

No. 179310

>>179307
kek if hetalia was more accurate fruk should have been america's divorced parents

No. 179311

>>179156
Yeah and it's really annoying to be labelled a weirdo because you're a woman who enjoys fictionnal gay porn when lesbian porn is extremely popular among men and no one cares. But the worst are male weebs who complains if they see one yaoi pic but will jerk off to some fucked up hentai one hour later.

No. 179317

Quick question for anons who still use LJ/Dreamwidth: are kink memes still a thing? I remember there being one for every fandom under the sun in the early 2010's, but don't see much talk about them anymore. aO3 is great but doesn't really fill the same role.

No. 179326

>>178720
every time this happens i go in the comments as a guest and make up some sob story about "boohooo please tag trans characters next time, it made me so dysphoric…" would recommend

No. 179356

>>179305
>i think the klance vs sheith wars ruined an entire generation
I'm an oldfag Voltron fan, and VLD did so much damage to the series. I hate it so much. And those pairings were trash. For once I went the het route, but everyone was so insufferable in the fandom that I just couldn't gay ship. Besides the pairings were crap to begin with. I will never forgive what the writers did to Keith. Fuck Klance, fuck Sheith.

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>>179303
>>179304

This has been brought up around art thread #28, and some anons already blogging their experience in sjw-artist thread in /cow/
>>>/snow/1387114

Those are what I managed to find some good read of the topic. I don't recommend making a topic post about it, I'm 100% convinced that a lot of us Really want to move on from this conversation, however I think it's fine to bring it up here and then for nonnas to vent their thoughts.

As for anons replying to the topic, these have been insightful to me since I've always been in a more (supposed) woke side of the conversation and often so many times got shut out for "not believing the victims" when they didn't give me any concrete (or even, common sense) information to understand.

In a sense of a queer creator myself, and pretty much just sick of having to tip toe any kind of things, then somehow it's my fault for not keeping up with the latest topic, bitch I work full-time and I have bills to pay.

Another frustrating thing is those spaces used to be another facet for me to expression myself, in an unconventional way in which I wouldn't allow to show in public. I mean, who would bring up some genshin incest ship in a middle of family table.
So I understand where proship coming from and their bitching essay does sound valid to me in some degree, but the discourse has now evolved to "thou art villain!" and a lot if cow-like behavior when it's dealing with - literally teenagers online.
I think fujo spectrum of fandom spaces have always had their own problems and typical cows that ruined the fun for everyone, only lately I feel like these spaces are getting worse and worse for the old guards had left, and which remains are those are so Insanely obsessed with one ship to the point it means life and death to them.

pic unrelated but nonnas talk about hetalia so heres my fav

No. 179372

>>179360
>who would bring up some genshin incest ship
I seriously hope you're not referring to Kaeluc as incest, unless you mean the travelers and their boring everything.

No. 179374

>>179372
i'm normie and idk whether kaeluc is incest or not nor i really care, i used the ship as an pseudonym of "i don't want to talk about my weird fandom ship at family table

No. 179389

Kek I bought a BL manga in pixiv comic and complained about not having been able to use a coupon I had so they refunded me everything.
So you know in case you want to buy bl there. But the quality is shit and the reader is even worse so I don't recommend it tbh.

No. 179390

>>179356
literally all the characters were poorly written and i despise lance in particular. however i don't understand how you could like any het vld ships nona
i don't know why they pulled that lotura stuff in the middle of the series only to reveal that lotor is still evil and then proceed to make lance allura's rebound. and then allura dies. and i'm not gonna start with that weird implied keith/acxa shit that made absolutely no sense. and kallura was just… weird

No. 179402

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I love Sleeping Dead, Mamiya’s spergy antics make me crack up every time I read it. He’s great lolcow material

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made to suffer

No. 179413

>>179390
I was a Voltron DOTU oldfag so I had this bias for KeithxAllura. The retardation hit me hard, I'll admit. But yeah Lance was the worst character in the show and I will never understand why fangirls clung so hard onto him. Shiro was the worst decision because of his forced faggotry and keeping the bitch alive. And yeah Keith was done dirty and he sucks ass for it. Fucking hate everything about that show in retrospect.

No. 179414

>>179301
This. Both sides are retarded.
>pro shippers
Easily offended people who can’t accept that kids think they’re weird, unlike board type fujos (who don’t give a fuck as long as you stay in your own lane) just the thought of some kid on tumblr boolying them drives them to tears
Also tends to make cringy merch.
>anti shippers
Kids in places they usually shouldn’t be (ie: danganronpa) and then proceed to expect everyone to do exactly what they want them to due to being raised on a dose of tumblr/twitter groomers who tell them that they’re perfect and could do no wrong. Usually some form of ftm.

Both sides for some reason accuse the other of being terfs, even though the only place you really see terf fujos is on board sites.

No. 179415

>>179356
>I'm an oldfag Voltron fan
Presuming that you’re a Lotorfag, I thought those only existed for Lotor?

No. 179416

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>>179415
Also I got reminded of my favorite meme.

No. 179419

>>179415
I was shameless and liked Keith and Lotor as a kid. Both had their allure.

No. 179423

>>179419
you mean the original voltron or the dreamworks one because this was aired when I was 26, how old are you????

No. 179425

>>179423
Original Voltron. I saw it back when it was syndicated in Cartoon Network's toonami when I was 9ish. I'm currently 35

No. 179427

>>179414
terfs are the new boogeyman

No. 179431

>>179301
The thing is that as discussed above, the proships are doing important work in telling kids not to harass and dox people over ship wars and that not all fiction reflects your real life tastes because it's a sandboxed universe where you're in charge. I mean at the end of the day I can't really blame them because there's a real threat of some 16-year old constructing an autistic google doc with out of context screenshots laying down claims of you being a pedo because they raked through your twitter likes and found you liking an underage ship fanart. And because people on social media love drama they will spread that shit like wildfire with no factchecking like, as brought up by >>179372 , the people who think Kaeluc is a pedo incest ship despite the two being ex-childhood friends both clearly in their late 20s or so with no blood relations whatsoever.

However I agree with >>179360 , some of them definitely take it too far and give too big of a platform for some teenager to yell about how every female BL artist over 25 drawing ship art should be giving birth to kids and paying taxes instead. To a degree they're right, I assume that in order to have a twitter slapfight with a literal kid you have to be taking this thing too seriously. Just tell them to shut the fuck up or better yet ignore and block them completely, they're children and should have no business in following you anyway. This situation got so badly out of hand because people started giving these stupid teenagers their time of the day instead of gatekeeping them like one should. Oh and fuck the women who defend lolicon just because they feel obligated to, a woman liking teenage male characters is absolutely not comparable to a moid fapping to a female child.

No. 179441

>>179431
i feel like a lot of people in the proshipper community are afraid of coming across as hypocrites so even if they dislike stuff like lolicon (at least most of proshippers that i know don't like at all), they'd rather ignore it. and many of them are into shota/underage stuff so they think they have no right to call them out

No. 179452

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>>179441
I've also noticed that when the topic comes up, self-proclaimed proshippers will quickly say that fiction is not reality so lolicon and shotacon fanarts doesn't mean you should harass artists, but they usually don't bring that up themselves. From my experience the ones who do bring up legit degenerate things by themselves by starting a debate or posting their own content tend to legit be the disgusting type of people that make me understand why antis are so wary of adults online. But the antis take it out on the normal shippers for some reason. Sage because it's off-topic.

By the way, I stopped giving a fuck months ago and I'm buying more and more officially translated BL manga in my usual bookshop and I bought so much shit I got a 10€ coupon for the manga I bought today.

No. 179481

why are fujo servers always dead af…

No. 179483

>>179481
I like /y/‘s discussion thread the most but I’ve yet to click with a discord. The one for Reddit is active but they literally only consoom/talk about licensed stuff that I couldn’t care less about. The one made for farmers seems alright but there’s a lot of game character discussion and I don’t play video games. As great of an idea fujochan is it’s not very active currently and I don’t want to feel like I’m having conversations with myself

No. 179484

>>179483
I go on fujochan on a daily basis waiting for anons to reply to my posts. I feel like if we all keep waiting for fujochan to be more active it's going to be forgotten and die, you might as well try posting even if you feel like you're writing a monologue and see what happens.

No. 179485

>>179483
NTA but I agree with you completely. /y/'s threads are good because aside from the bait and occasional moralfagging there's a consistent and constant discussion on new manga chapters as they come out and anons' thoughts are fun to read. Unfortunately we can't start a discord server with just the two of us, kek.

No. 179486

>>179483
>/y/
Why would you want to post in a place full of scrotes?

No. 179487

>>179486
It’s the most active place to discuss BL. When I share chapters I know there are other anons downloading them. The current thread even has some literature discussion, I don’t read books much but I find it interesting

>>179484
I’ll have to start posting more

No. 179488

>>179484
Who even created fujochan, it's sus to me

No. 179489

>>179488
Yeah it was suspicious. Are there still pics of naked 5-year olds on there?

No. 179490

>>179489
The shota thread was removed when everyone here started arguing over it iirc.

No. 179496

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>>179360
Nona? Rusame is my fav too fuck yes. The other ships are okay, something about this ship in particular for me.

No. 179506

>>179410
This story and the main one is retarded, but entertaining.

No. 179508

>>179018
god I wish MSPaint Anon would post here.

No. 179511

>>179496
AYRT and yes i signed up russame for the long, enduring Hate Sex. Throw me more recs/fan arts because I only follow like one hetalia fan artist and they're shifting to russchina now.

No. 179516

>>179111
Sasaki to Miyano

No. 179522

I think himaruya's real otp would have been japan x south korea but they were way too offensive even by hetalia's standards

No. 179523

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>>179522
I had to look up to see what youre talking about and there was indeed a protest from South Korea over this 4koma lmao fuck

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-13/korean-protests-call-for-hetalia-anime-cancellation

No. 179524

>>179485
NAYRT but how do you people stomach the /y/ threads? Every time I've checked it's been trashy bara, moidbrained fetishes like footjobs and diapers, sex pest scrotes posting traps and Aidens larping as gay men while showing their female socialization through moralfagging about noncon and "child-coded" twinks. There's literally nothing of value in there and never has been. Am I missing something here?

No. 179526

>>179524
what the heckie, /y/ sounds like mrm frontpage imo cope and learn to waddle through the garbage porns to find what interests you nona

No. 179527

>>179524
Anon, we’re talking about the discussion thread not the ones with art. I just go straight to it by using 4chan.org/y/discussion
I don’t even browse any of the other threads

No. 179529

>>179524
I like /y/ because sometimes I find good images and it is one of the few sites that tries to leave tranny content out, the bad thing is that the mods have abandoned that place so when content comes out that nobody wants to see like the fetish of the diapers doesn't go away right away, especially since it's full of discussions that keep the thread going.

No. 179530

>>179524
I generally just skip every other thread on that board and go straight for the discussion thread

No. 179541

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>>179511
Oh, usually I find rusame content on everywhere but tumblr. Picrel is by @XD_AzNaD on twitter. What kind of recs do you like? Sounds like only the hatesex part bc I love all asepcts of this ship. There's a few names for this ship in japanese and chinese too, so when I try to find fanart of them, I go through several names lol on weibo/lofter too. There are some really good fics in chinese.

No. 179550

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>>179541
nona ily wtf, Thank you for rec this looks so cute!!
Here's the rusame artist I follow Culinbear on twitter (though it's uke russia). I like this particular Living Death Youth they made an AMV of the ship they pinned in the profile. And it's true I only found this ship through chinese fans, I can't read chinese though, if you have jpn fics to share I'd love to see (I can only read in english and japanese). Kudos to you for doing so much legworks for this very strange & self-indulgence ship anon.

No. 179563

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So, what pairings used to be popular at the time you got into BL? Nowadays I don't see people giving a shit about pic related anymore. And I also used to see Sebaciel, Shizaya and Okumuracest everywhere. I still have a soft spot for all of those pairings because of nostalgia. Those were good times to be a fujo. Okumuracest still is strong in the story and in my heart.

No. 179571

>>179326
Does it ever work? I'd be interested in links or screencaps of reactions.

No. 179573

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>>179563
these mfs, I can still vaguely recall their ship names by numbers.

No. 179574

>>179573
You've unearthed a memory I completely forgot about, every bitch was all about the "mafia" when this popular

No. 179578

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>>179574
definitely, I don't exactly remember who influenced me or converted me into a Hitman fan. I did remember going onto forums and got a major Obsessive period where I'd download every doujin available from the forums about a specific ship at the time. Thinking back, I just thought that Tsuna was cute, seeing him being romantically involved with any of the guy he interacted with was "xDDD nosebleed!!!" moment for me.
It was really irony on me at the time because I avidly avoided BL/danmei my female friends introduced to me for several years until this one braincell shounen series hit me sideways. Definitely had a "eeeew gays are gross" phase.

Ah, I miss the young, naive version of me.

picrel for extra brain damage

No. 179579

>>179563
Shounen series in general don't seem to have a huge shelf life after their series ends, DN actually has a surprisingly good shelf life since I still see fanart for it but it's mostly of Misa now which I'm fine with since I was never that into Light and L.

No. 179582

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>>179550
Oh, ty nona, I'm just happy to see a fellow rusame…and on lolcow lmao bless you! My japanese is not good at all so I don't read any jp fics, the one that I can think of at the top of my head are usually the stockholm syndrome love type shit or angst. I love my fluffy rusame but those ones stick to me more…anyway, have a good day rusame anon!

No. 179583

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>>179582
no THANK YOU for feeding me nona. Only around a decade ago I'd have that patience to run a VPN and getting onto weibo for quality arts. I remembered the team behind the webcomic19 days (and the popular yuri manga in which I don't remember the name), had one of their illustrators did really hot ship fan arts of their own characters in the webcomic. It was truly a time. Nowadays I don't have that patience anymore, nor have anyone talk about BL as much since all my old online friends had moved onto other interests.

I'm not that into that deep lore of rusame other than the basics stuffs like Cold Wars and constant sexual (murder!) tension between the two. I actually don't understand the fluff part of this ship ahaha, shamelessly signed up for the whump and brutal sex only. I'm not picky about the uke seme dynamic either.

all this hetalia talk reminded me when I first discovered rei_17 fan arts on pixiv and at the time I had no ideal this picrel is actually a hetalia fan art lol. Probably a reference to the space race during cold war or something. Hit me up with hetalia lore because I'm an uneducated fujo that mindlessly consume for my fujocoomer brain only.

No. 179586

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>>179573
damn, same, you've just unlocked a huge memory stash here anon. I wonder what's the deal with these numbers, they were just shorthands for names but it's not like characters had unusually long names in this manga compared to other ones, so how come I've never encountered this numbering thing anywhere else?

No. 179633

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I know 3DPD is founded upon in this thread(personally I hate 99% of 3D content as well) but Kill Your Darlings with Daniel Radcliffe and Dane DeHaan was my awakening

No. 179634

>>179633
Seeing a hairy, pasty 3D moid literally makes me want to vomit, anon. Keep this nasty shit out.

No. 179635

>>179633
While I don't particularly care for the two actors in the video I would, however, like to know what goes through these actors minds when they stare into eachothers eyes in such a primal fashion.

Slightly less related but how would I go about searching for BL seiyuu interviews that talk about them voicing erotic scenes in detail? I really love bts stuff like that

No. 179637

>>179635
theres this, i think the channel uploaded some similiar translation vids

No. 179642

>>179633
Im glad yaoi forgoes chest hair that shits disgusting, looks like an IUD

No. 179644

>>179642
well the characters are supposed to be aracial Japanese men, they aren't that hairy

No. 179647

>>179634
All the decent looking moids out there and they chose a pasty hairy manlet with a disgusting body.

No. 179649

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>>179647
>>179634
Weird thing to complain about with this film though, Radcliffe is supposed to be playing gay poet Allen Ginsberg who looked like this IRL

No. 179650

>>179649
he was also a pedo

No. 179651

>>179649
All IRL men are hideously ugly, anon.

No. 179652

>>179650
why do all pedos (het or gay) look so fucking bizarre

No. 179654

>>179649
I feel like this deserved a spoiler

No. 179665

let's talk about the worst BL trend that i've seen recently, especially among japanese artists
genderbending the bottoms and giving them MASSIVE boobs. if i wanted to see weird coomer art i'd follow a hentai artist. also the whole appeal of BL is two boys fucking why ruin that?? like why are you into BL in the first place? go watch an isekai manga of you wany tits bouncing

No. 179668

>>179665
I can get a into this as long as it isn't sexual. Just something made for fun jokes or a cute scene. When they show a vagina or tits it kills my interest.

No. 179672

>>179665
A lot of fujos are bi or lesbian (though they're more quiet about it in Japan) so I guess they want to see the bottom get fucked in multiple ways? I just think it's cute for art of the ship as mom and dad to a baby without mpreg.

No. 179674

>>179672
girl then go read a shoujo

No. 179675

shit like this make me not want to be a fujo anymore no wonder why everyone is bullying you. i swear fujos are more obsessed with fixed hetero roles and babies than actual het shippers

No. 179681

>>179672
NTA but how do having breasts relate to this point at all? I'm pretty sure anon was talking about that awful (male) coomer trend of giving men grotesque tits with big nipples just because monkey brain likes boobies. I hate it too, that shit sounds like something scrotes are obsessed with.

>>179675
fuck off then kek

No. 179682

>>179681
NTA but I think what the anon means is that they're signing up BL for exclusively male on male relationship, no stereotyped m/f gender roles we already see enough in mainstream media.

>>179665
girl don't let me start with fujo anons that are absolutely losing their shits if their ship has reversed roles. I ran onto one of those unhinged bitches before and lo and behold it's an self-insert aiden. Every-fucking-time.

No. 179683

>>179665
I 100% agree with you anon it's really gross. I find mens chests being referred to as "boobs" really weird also, like for just normal non boobified pecs

>>179682
Really don't understand this at all. I personally have no issues seeing reversals. Actually when I'm reading anything I find myself imagining what it would be like if the characters switched roles. I wish this was in bl more often. Seeing characters make a complete 180 can be really interesting and hot to see

No. 179685

>>179683
ikr, one of my favorite thing when reading original BL is that you don't have any knowledge beforehand of which one is the top or bottom. Another fun part is when it is only vaguely hinted of their roles by the end, and amazon commenters would be like "wow! I wouldn't imagine x is a tachi, what a good twist".

people who are so obsessed on fixed roles are just so weird to me, I guess because I'm a himejo but there are more sexy things than penetrative sex. eyezoom more on them making out, panting and sweating lol

No. 179688

>>179682
eh i wouldn't be so quick to call everyone who's into fixed roles a self-insert aiden, i don't like switching and i'm a lesbian fujo.

No. 179694

>>179688
what makes you different from the fixed roles aiden shipper? unless our experience is different because I'd had to hear them sperg over masculinity/femininity bs in which having nothing to with two anime characters clapping ass on each other

No. 179696

>>179694
i'd say our experience is very different, i couldn't care less about masculinity/femininity, i just have my own preferences about which character i like to see get fucked. no justification needed lol

No. 179697

>>179696
> i just have my own preferences about which character i like to see get fucked
that is based actually

No. 179699

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>>179573
oh god i was obsessed with these two, i thing it was the first time i hoarded raws while i knew 0 japanese.

>>179665
i think those genderbends are cute, or those where they make them yuri, but yeah i think as anon >>179672 said, its just a what if good for one or two posts, i dont think i have ever seen a genderbend ship being more popular than the initial one

No. 179702

>>179699
i like the genderbends that make the ship yuri too, i just don't like it when people genderbend a gay ship to be straight tbh

No. 179721

>>179672
then i wish 'bi and lesbian' fujos would fuck off because i hate tits

No. 179732

i love genderbends personally

No. 179734

>>179682
But how does giving men actual breasts relate to m/f gender roles when it's obviously just a fetish?

And if we're talking about literal genderbents i.e. making a male character into a straight out female than that shit is so fucking uncalled for, the reason I'm so into BL is because reading it I don't have to see female characters being sexualized or ruined by a moid fanbase. Agree with >>179665 , people should go watch bargain bin isekai or shoujo garbage instead if they're into that. There's endless amounts of het material people into primarily m/f ships can consume, no need to convert a gay ship into a heterosexual one because people are obsessed with self-inserting or cooming to mommy milkers.

>>179721
I'm a lesbian and I don't want to see tits in my BL, I have no idea how that "actually it's the lesbians who want to see straight ships" logic works.

No. 179735

>>179672
mpreg and babies ruin the story for me, even an adoption storyline ruins the story for me
I don't get the appeal at all, cause it always brings up real world shit and ruins the fantasy for me

No. 179739

>>179734
yeah i doubt real lesbians are attracted to genderbended male characters with inflated boobs, seems more like an obsession of straight fujos after being exposed to moid porn 24/7

No. 179740

>>179734
> But how does giving men actual breasts relate to m/f gender roles when it's obviously just a fetish?
I think you either misread or just have a different understanding of what I and other anon were trying to say. None of us defend fat breast on men for the sake of turning the uke character into a literal woman. The reason I used 'gender roles' as a terminology is like, uhhh gender roles being assigned to women and men in society - being encouraged in media - the whole weird trend on popular japanese media with "get married and give birth!" propaganda? I don't dismiss the possibilities of fetishization, if the fetish itself serves a well-supported normalization in its culture (Japan), people it's easier to continue to produce them.
I assume you're either uninformed, or straight.

No. 179741

>>179739
Literally the only people I've seen enjoy the big booba sexy genderbend versions have been straight/bihet girls who want to self insert or the himes of the autistic "it's okay if I act predatory towards women because I happen to be an extremely lesbian woman myself I swear" type.

>>179694
NTA but what the hell is this cinema level projection shit? I've seen more aidens whine about how fixed roles are "abusive and fetishizing" and that everyone should be made a switch because it's "healthy and realistic". I don't know what you're talking about but personally I like fixed roles because I have certain preferences for couple dynamics that just don't always work if the roles are reversed. In real life I think the strict top/bottom identities is borderline cringey but fiction exists for unrealistic things.

No. 179742

>>179740
The topic in >>179665 was literally about the coomer trope of putting breasts on male characters for the sake of feminizing them, at what point does all the political commentary about Japanese gender roles come in? I'm pretty sure it's you who doesn't understand what's being said here.

No. 179744

>>179741
I don't think anyone has a problem with top or bottom categorization in this thread and I don't know where your getting wokies disliking top/bottom categorization cause I've seen them use "top/bottom energy" multiple times
The problem people have is male characters with pectorals that function more like breasts and even leak milk or the emphasis on men with impossibly huge asses that seems to be a trend among western groups

No. 179745

random but i feel like aidens are obsessed these days with big pecs and huge asses because they're ashamed of being attracted to twinks and bishounen characters. you've probably seen those posts (usually from other women) making fun of them for looking like sticks and having no meat

No. 179766

>>179741
> wow weird projection i didn't have that
I was asking lesbian fujo about her reasons behind the fixed role preference, since mine was coming from negative experience with cow-fujo. I don't understand the need to reaction so strongly to this when everyone experienced different level of unhinged fandom behavior.

>>179742
Anon said "hey, let's talk about trope in japanese BL fandom that you hate. What do you about the weird trend putting large breast on submissive character".
My comment about the trope isn't a political commentary… I don't know what kind of subset of people you hang out with, but discussion about gender roles are pretty normal among writers and it doesn't have to be in the context of "muh patriarchy". I was elaborating the term in assumption that you weren't familiar with- you know what. Never mind. If you reply to this with another "this has nothing to do with-" you have a crusty cunt.

No. 179774

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>>179583
Nona!! Tbh I don't know about the history side a lot as well lmao but these two, or maybe that one douji i read as a kid made me think they are perfect for each other lol. I don't read 19days until someone puts it on my feed tbh, though I like the way the author writes her characters! Rei's hetalia arts were beautiful, though she wiped most of it off.

I'd like to sperg about heta and BL shit too if you don't mind either!! anyway, is there a friend finder thread on fujochan? I don't wanna leave it here even if they're throwaways

No. 179779

I'm still mad these 2 didn't get together, cause unlike the vast majority of cases the actor playing Penguin was actually gay and Nygma was played by a bisexual actor and both were supportive of the shipping, cool with fans and even purposely played into it and yet the producers didn't even allow the two to get together except one gay sub-plot

No. 179780

>>179779
Same anon. I think the writers didn't really go all the way with it because the show got cancelled and so last half of season 4 and all of season 5 was rushed. When I was heavily into the fandom, I also remember the actors being heavily shipped despite Robin (penguin) having a boyfriend outside the show which I know they spoke about how it makes them all uncomfortable, so that could also be a reason.
Their whole relationship carried the fucking show, the rest of it was absolutely shit past season 2

No. 179783

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>>179780
>Their whole relationship carried the fucking show, the rest of it was absolutely shit past season 2
True the writing was awful, people mostly liked the show for the aesthetic and the villains
also I swear there was at least one writer who wanted to make the show about his OC lesbian BDSM dominatrixes via Barbra and Tabitha and literally no one in the fandom was fond of it, like there were so many sexualized lesbian relationships in the show but I don't remember a single gay pairing

No. 179786

>>179779
No but you really expected homo couple in homophobic show.

No. 179789

>>179786
There were 4 lesbian relationships in the show and Season 3 had a sub-plot about Penguin's clearly romantic crush on Edd

No. 179801

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Sometimes I think about this absolute queen Kumiko Suekane designed the main characters of Ace Attorney and gave them their personalities and backstories, made the other devs of the first game read BL manga for "research", adviced Shu Takumi on how to make Phoenix and Edgeworth subtly gay for each other so that the Capcom managers won't censor them. And then once she left Capcom she just made a manga that reused Phoenix and Edgeworth's unused character designs, their personality traits and backstories from the games but also things that were just mentioned in interviews, and then she made not!Edgeworth fuck not!Phoenix in the ass once per chapter. I sometimes wonder if she's pissed that Narumitsu fans general make Phoenix the top and Edgeworth the bottom sometimes. Are there any other cases of one fujoshi overtaking a project and making it gay for her fellow fujoshi?

No. 179806

>>179801
I don't think she would care that much, like 90% of the time Edgeworth is presented as the top, just cause there are a couple of bottom!Edgeworth Doujins doesn't change the fact that majority of the time he's presented as the seme

No. 179808

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>>179801
The artist for the Genshin Impact manga is an open Kaeya x Diluc shipper fujo and you absolutely can see it in the work. I'm pretty sure the writing/design team has multiple of them seeing how almost all male characters are paired with another male to ship them with (Diluc and Kaeya, Xingqiu and Chongyun, Zhongli and Childe, Kazuha and his friend, Razor and Bennett etc) and how fujopandering Gorou and Venti are made but of course with China being China and gay representation being censored by law we will never know.

No. 179809

>>179806
Most of the art I've seen shows Phoenix as the top, so I guess I haven't been looking hard enough. I don't have a preference but I thought about it because some anons mentioned that some Japanese fujoshi have set preferences and will sperg out if you show them art of their favorite pairings but with the "wrong roles"

>>179804

I'm not touching Genshin Impact with a tn foot pole because I'm avoiding gacha games as much as possible, but I'm not surprised that a Chinese video game could potentially be censored for being too "gay" despite having just very subtle fanservice.

No. 179811

>>179804
>gorou is more homopandering and venti is trap pandering
>childe and zhongli haven't interacted in ages
>they wanted to ship chongyun with his aunt (i'm talking about the actual devs, not moids)
>they're also shilling kaeya x rosaria in the new event
>virtually no fujo pandering in inazuma so far
I don't trust genshin to give me fujo ships, all they care about are yuri, het and self-insert

No. 179812

>>179811
>Gorou is a cute small dogboy and his fluffy tail and ears are constantly teased as being soft to touch and how he likes having them petted
>Venti is a cute petite bishounen who acts like your typical boy instead of a coomer trap
>Chongyun and Xingqiu are practically canon with how they interact in the story, promotional art and events
>Itto's whole story quest in Inazuma was fujopandering as fuck
Are you the doomposting anon from the Genshin thread who constantly has meltdowns over Mihoyo "shilling Shenhe x Chongyun" because they talked to each other in her character trailer once? Cut it out.

No. 179814

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I forget which female IntSys staff member(s?) this was attributed to or if she's an open fujo, but they put in a ton of hints that the manly-man main character of FE9/FE10, Ike, likes other dudes. The supplementary material says he doesn't care for women's affections but is wholly devoted to his angsty twink best friend, there are base conversations where the resident skirt-chaser is talking about girls with him in a castle garden and Ike tells him directly that he doesn't gaf, and of course the vendor lady who flirts with him so much he starts to hide from her. The gay was so obvious that the localization team had to add in a romantic subplot between him and the princess character from FE9, only to be left with egg on their face when they barely interacted in FE10 and got with other people. There's also the fact that his only paired endings(almost always romantically coded) are with two other guys.

No. 179815

>>179814
I started with Awakening and mostly know about Ike's games from FEH and a friend who played them long ago. Wasn't there some """localization""" issues that made Ike/Soren less obvious in Western translations? It's like as soon as something even remotly gay happens on screen in any FE game the American localization teams try to remove that and then Nintendo of Europe is forced to use the American scripts to make the French, Spanish, German, etc. translations.

No. 179819

>>179815
Smafagging that I'm saying that the localization thing isn't exclusive to the Ike games, since Treehouse managed to somehow make the two possible gay couples' marriage proposal scenes way less gay on purpose in FE Fates.

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>>179801
>>179814
Does Anne Rice also count as a successful Fujo ?
Most of her Novels features m/m relationships and she literally made a yaoi vampire characters of herself (louis) and her husband (Lestat) and then shipped them together.

>According to Rice, Lestat was largely inspired by her husband, the poet and artist Stan Rice; both have blond hair and they share November 7 as a birth date. In a 2003 interview(a year after her husband's death) Rice noted that the character had also taken on some of her own attributes, stating, "Stan was Lestat; he was the inspiration. Perhaps it is best to say Lestat was Stan and me. He was Stan and what Stan taught me. Lestat was inspired by Stan, and then I became Lestat

kinda romantic in a way

No. 179825

>>179815
Yeah, there were more subtle dialogue changes in FE9 that tried to nohomo Ike's relationship with Soren(off the top of my head, the biggest one was changing Ike's line in one of their supports from "you're special to me" to "you're my good friend" or something to that effect) and made his feelings towards Elincia seem more affectionate/romantic when in the original version he's all business with her. There was also his relationship with the catgirl character, but even in the localization it's clear that she has a crush on him(by their A-support at least) and he only sees her as a strong training partner and is too oblivious to see that she likes him in a romantic way. The FE10 localization is even more bonkers in that it cuts out like 1/3 of the original script.
>>179819
Yeah, FE isn't the best when it comes to same-sex relationships. Fates was the first game where the lord could actually get married to another guy/girl, and the two bi characters available for that are a creepy sadist and creepy goth stalker. Even 3H wasn't much better, but at lest two of the five f/f and one of the three m/m options weren't awful.

No. 179832

>>179822
why was this woman so autistic over fucking fanfic

No. 179833

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>>179825
>creepy goth stalker.
See? That's exactly what I meant when I said the localization wanted to make the actual gay pairings seem less gay. Rhajat is only a creepy stalker in the localization and technically in Awakening since she's obviously Tharja 2.0, while in Japanese her love confession for female!MC was very cute and romantic. Same shit for Zero/Niles being creepy to piss off everyone and becoming very nice and romatinc once he confesses and proposes to the MC in the Japanese game, while they changed it to make it more neutral, and they replaced his sweet, romantic lines after you marry him with stupid dick jokes. Fates as a whole has one of the worst localization I've seen from a game that wasn't released in the 90s and it's not even consistant in general because while they decided to make Niles' bisexuality into a joke because gay shit isn't family friendly, they didn't remove the implication that he was a child prostitute and suffer from ptsd as a result. And just like Ike's games they removed a good part of the script and couldn't even release two of the DLCs because translating them after making all the localized characters ooc was just not possible.

>"you're special to me" to "you're my good friend"

Fucking kek

No. 179835

>>179833
Wow, I never realized the Fates localization was that bad. I mostly just heard whining from moids about how Camilla's boobs didn't bounce enough in the petting minigame or how the little sisters were made less cloyingly childish. I don't understand the decision to make MCorrin/Niles and FCorrin/Rhajat less romantic- they're married, there's no plausible deniability here, why not just keep them as they were in the base game? How is Niles making dirty jokes at his husband less gay than just being sweet with him?

No. 179837

>>179811
>virtually no fujo pandering in inazuma so far
Have you even done Itto's story quest? It's so laden with fujopandering, I can't keep up with that guy. You have the Gorou thing, then Takuya, and a high probability with Ayato.

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>>179832
Samefag, because "Lestat is muh husband!" She took offense to that apparently. As fujo as Anne Rice was, she was also yumejo as fuck.

>>179814
I loved Soren x Ike from FE9/10. They were so heavily coded, especially Ike with his endings and his lack of interest in women. Another pairing I liked from those games was Tibarn x Reyson. Tibarn had some straight moments with the wolf queen character in F10, but he still was all about Reyson.

No. 179841

>>179665
I haven't read any story with this one yet. But I hate the trend of mpreg and omegaverse, it's even worse than when ukes used to look and act girly. If I wanted to read about hetero gender roles, I'd just read a story with an actual straight couple instead. I wish yumejos would fuck off with their degenerate fetishes.

No. 179843

>>179814
I love these two so much. I love all the oldfag FE fans in here lately, thank you all for the food. Fates and Awakening are my least favorite games so it's really unfortunate that most people started with them, it's hard to find people who played the older games and don't know the characters through Heroes (which is whatever, I never played it but they're probably rewriting every character dynamic kek).

No. 179848

>>179665
I can't stand the current woke "top/bottom dynamics is toxic" and "small bottoms are abuse" trend. Excuse me for being an oldfag degenerate fujo who likes size differences and an effeminate bottom being ravished by a bigger top. Not to derail but it has the same energy as complaining about how butch/femme lesbians are "supporting harmful heteronormative gender norms" which, as a butch lesbian attracted to femmes, I hate more than anything. Opposites attracting has nothing to do with heteronormativity, it's one of the shittiest falsified reaches that I know.

No. 179850

>>179835
Oh anon, if only you know how bad the localization truly is. I'll list what's wrong with it quickly, aside from all the gay shit being toned down:
>instead of letting Camilla be a slightly stereotypical oneechan character, she's now everyone's mom friend to make the pseudo-incest subtext. While also adding more mommy fetish dialogs that are out of place. Because apparently finding your mom fuckable is better than wanting to fuck your sister??
>Xander/Marx is basically a severely abused child in the Japanese game who is always obeying his piece of shit, abusive father because he never knew anything else and he's the heir and it's his duty to obey the King/his father, yet he also knows that makes him a piece of shit by default. It's often mentioned that all of Garon's children and concubines were trying to murder each other for the throne and it's heavily implied Xander was forced to execute many of his siblings because that's literally his job after almost being murdered by them making the scene of him accidentally killing Elise and pretty much letting himself die after that way more logical. In the American version he has dialogs showing that he'll blindly follow his father's cruel orders no matter what AND dialogs showing that he wants to rebel against him, which makes the entire plot of all three versions of the game suddenly extremely incoherent just by itself
>Azura is very obviously supposed to be inspired by Indian mythology once you play the DLC route but all the references to Valla being inspired by India and smaller ancient silk road countries were changed to ancient Greece references… the character has a fucking bollywood dance scene and wears a heroic fantasy sari btw kek
>Leon/Leo in the Japanese version is more insecure and less jealous of Xander
>They replaced the C rank support between Saizou and Beruka so now, instead of it being about their respective jobs as paid assassins ever since they were children and how potentially traumatizing it is, they literally just say "…", video related
>they made Camilla have a crush on Silas just because. It makes him seem a bit creepy because the localizers can't fucking write despite trying to make them look like a cute couple. This is completely absent from the original game
>more about fanservice, they made Xander way less slutty in the "petting" minigame
>a character named Soleil was meant to be one of these unfunny "cutesy yuribait character who's actually straight" character and can only marry guys and sexually harass women in her supports, but some literally autistic transbian named Andrea Ritsu (he has an old thread here I think?) sperged so hard online despite never caring about the games that the localization team made her an actual lesbian and changed many of her supports. Actual lesbians would be offended by her dialogs I think
>removed a shit ton of optional costumes, mostly swimwear, because pixelated boobs are not family friendly, but that also means you can use them in multiplayer despite all the really good stat boosts. Nothing replaced the stat boosts you can get from them either
>no "petting" minigame, so a shit ton of voiced dialogs that show the characters' daily lives of backstories that aren't even fanservicey were removed. The very few lines left were changed to be more fanservicey though? Go figure
>one of the characters, Hinata's son, acts like an old man despite being a teenager, so he mentions once or twice that he eats pickled vegetables or something as a reference to that. The original joke is that he's a young guy with the mind of an old man. This was changed so that 99.999% of his lines are about pickles because it's le funny xD for American localizers I guess
>your child says "I love so much mom/dad!" in a side quest if you save them from enemies, it's changed with "rawr! it means "I love you" in dragon!"
>Effie went from soft spoken, kind of shy woman with crazy strength to "unga bunga muh protein"
>they added random jokes and MCU-tier one liners in very serious scenes about fratricide, ptsd and child abuse because lolsorandumXD

>How is Niles making dirty jokes at his husband less gay than just being sweet with him?

It's all because of context. His backstory is that he's a former child prostitute who dirty talks all the time to make people as uncomfortable as possible to make them fuck off. He says himself that it's just a front to protect himself, and that him being more romantic and more serious means he's really in love. Once you have that context it makes that localization choice strange. The fact that they removed a lot of things that were deemed too lewd yet added more lewd lines for him is also nonsensical.

No. 179853

>>179850
Forgive me for the retarded question anon as I've never played the DS game before but why is the Japanese version in English?

No. 179854

>>179853
There was some fan translation when it became obvious that the localization was going to be trash. I'm sure the fan translation is still not complete though.

No. 179879

>>179801
Stuff like this makes me embarrassed that I still haven't played Ace Attorney, since I'm such a big fan of mystery VNs and the ship art between Phoenix and Edgeworth.

No. 179881

>>179879
Please make sure you avoid spoilers as much as possible if you want to play the games.

No. 179903

>>179832
>>179838
she was a repressed catholic school girl who read a lot of ertocia and was very autistic about her OC's, especially from Interview with a Vampire cause they were directly based on herself, her husband and her dead daughter

No. 179905

>>179903
That doesn't change my comment about her husband. She still has a touch of yumejo to hers

No. 179906

>>179905
well she made herself a gay vampire as well, that way it works
she also wrote a BDSM erotica Novels about cinderella and less then quarter of the sex scenes were m/f and almost all of them were m/m featuring her OC's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleeping_Beauty_Quartet#Plot_summary

No. 179921

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>avid BL reader
>acts like an unhinged fujo and ships real people
>i'm actually straight uwu i had a crush on a girl
why did this dumpster fire get an adaptation? is it so difficult to admit that yeah he is a gay guy, why do they need to twist it in a he's ackshually straight way when literally NO straight man would willingly read BL. i'd understand if he was a cunning scrote reading BL to impress some fujos but the story makes zero sense

No. 179927

>>179921
I'm generally averse towards shit that's a "fujoshi parody" like Fujoshi Rumi or Kiss Him Not Me because it's always the same old stupid jokes and portraying fujos as unhinged coomers who ship IRL people in their lives and ironically enough center around straight romances. At least this one has two male characters and not a girl with braids and glasses living a kawaii IRL yaoi romance.

No. 179929

>>179921
>no straight man would read BL
One fujoshi working at Capcom made the two male leads of Ace Attorney kinda gay and then made her straight male coworkers read BL to the point where they keep putting gay shit in their games to this day. Nothing is impossible. I don't know which anime you're talking about though, but it seems dumb as fuck. Reminds me of some 4koma manga about a fudanshi who seemed to be an obviously bi guy in denial, and then the (pretty bad) anime made him as straight as a ruler, it was super weird.

No. 179930

>>179927
At least in Fujoshi Rumi the girls were total cows in a realistic way. You kust know Momose would shit talk everyone here.

No. 179937

>>179921
>>179929
I knew an alleged straight guy who said he into reading BL as an evolution of his reading of Trap/Crossdressing Hentai and claimed that Yaoi was the best source for crossdressing doujins
weirdly enough he was against IRL trannies and claimed that 3D crossdressing males were all disgusting and repulsive towards him

No. 179943

>>179937
>weirdly enough he was against IRL trannies and claimed that 3D crossdressing males were all disgusting and repulsive towards him
That's how it should be. Honestly in my experience fudanshis are one of the only even remotely tolerable nerd scrote subtype as troons and all other misogynist men hate BL because of a.) its appeal to women and b.) their own homophobia. At least fudanshis are forced to be nice to women since they're the ones creating all the material they consume and most of them have no patience for moid bullshit kek

No. 179944

>>179943
I mean he sorta coomed himself into liking BL cause he was into "traps", not really a man I want to associate with

No. 179945

>>179944
Yeah fair enough, just a general statement.

No. 179949

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>>179921
haven't watched the series but I read the Manga sometime back
Its a very odd series, both mundane and kind erratic at times, one factor it ended up getting right and very realistic was how most boyfriend's react to BL, either they act very dismissive and try to convince their girlfriend to change interests or they don't give a shit and just sorta ignore it, that's been mine and my acquaintance's experience

It also has a trope that I hate(Not just in BL but with certain works in general) where character is stated to be "delinquent" or "badboy" but they don't do anything even slightly delinquent related and are just a moral strong guy

No. 179951

>>179921
Damn this shit has 8 volumes and is ongoing, please tell me it gets more interesting/less generic.

No. 179954

>>179951
well its a slice of life, I think the author stated she didn't want anything smutty
she even declared her desire for making a genre called "boys life" for those who desire a more casual feel, from what I've read there does seem to be a build up for the two MC's to get together but yeah its a super slow burn, I have a friend whose really into it but I got bored

No. 179955

>>179951
i read all of it like a year ago, it gets marginally better once it transitions from dumb twitter/pixiv comics to something barely resembling a story with a plot. but its mostly extremely boring fluff

No. 179957

does anyone know if furudate is really rumoured to be a woman?
i feel like a lot of japanese fujos are convinced they are one because they feel like the characters are paired too strategically but the way some of them are written and kiyoko existing solely as eye candy for the other boys to ogle at makes me doubt this theory i know she gets some sort of backstory if you want to call it that but she's such a blank slate in general and the boys act like typical moids

No. 179958

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>>179774
Last I checked on on fujochan (a few days ago) there wasnt any friend finder thread, nor hetalia thread either. You can start one there nona though it could be just two of us talking to each other lmao.

sperg away here! Your picrel comic is so cute… what does this strip reference from?

hetalia came out when I was 21 (the anime at least), I didn't get into it as much & mostly consume fan arts from weibo artists because… I thought they were pretty.

I'm kind of a historical buff so seeing inaccuracies & saw how the author making light of serious events in history mightve put me off during that time. Though if it's just mindless shipping, pretty art, and the porns are hot that's where my headspace is at. Hetalia is considered problematic to be a fan of nowadays unless you're completely divorced from being online / on social media.

I find russia/Ivaal is pretty cute and My Type since I always have a soft spot for gentle looking characters with Huge eyebrows but have a yandere streak
Not sure how he works with Alfred, if not rivalry, plotting to one up him. maybe squidward/spongebob dynamic because russian is old power and america is young power
yeah, I like looking at ships in this way lol. Tell me your thoughts anon!

No. 179961

>>179957
Editors often force shounen mangakas to add useless girl characters into their series just for the male demographic or as some retarded effort to give a self insert for the female demographic, it's not anything out of the ordinary or rare. Masashi Kishimoto was practically ordered to add Sakura into Naruto even though he had no idea what to do with her besides being a bitch and having a crush on Sasuke because that's what girls are or I guess.

No. 179963

>>179957
'the author of xyz is secretly a woman' always seems like weird cope from girls who are ashamed of how emotionally attached they are to moidy shounen jump franchises, ive seen people speculate like this about the authors of kny and jjk as well

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>>179963
okay with most series I agree with your conclusion but I do somewhat suspect that that Demon Slayer's Mangeka is a woman
there's a very feminine feeling and look with the characters that a male couldn't draw with

No. 179967

>>179964
samefag and not really related but Demon Slayer on its own outsold the entire western comic Industry and I love the thought of a single female author accomplishing that

No. 179969

>>179954
>boys life
A new term for "shonen-ai." Yeah I won't fall for that bullshit. Shonen-ai sucks

No. 179970

>>179963
the argument is always the same "this manga doesn't have bleach/bnha-tier coomerbait and the female characters are very #girlboss so it must be written by a woman!"
i think kny might be written by a woman because the art style is very shoujo-esque and it revolves around the theme of family but there is literally nothing about jjk that screams female mangaka

No. 179971

>>179969
I found it boring but its not really something to get worked over, some people just like slice of life content

No. 179973

>>179964
she is and it's not a secret tho?

No. 179977

>>179967
That's not an achievement tbh.

No. 179978

>>179973
Yeah its been done in the past by male Mengekas but I'm happy to know a woman accomplished it as well

No. 179979

>>179969
Nonnie:( it doesn't suck, it's cute

No. 179989

>>179969
disagree. People can casually enjoy shounen ai / bishounen manga, if it's done right and not the baity "are they gay thoughhhhh" because it is indeed an annoying trope.

>>179979
youre valid babe

No. 179991

>>179969
Let's stop using a term that was actually used in japan to describe real pedophilia and was mistakingly adopted by the west.
Just call it BL and add whatever other words you need.

No. 179993

>>179991
Fine, BL but with no hand-holding or kisses

>>179979
Only in certain doses

>>179989
The "are they??" is what I hate about that genre. I know many aren't like that, but a huge chunk I have run into are

No. 179994

>>179991
curious question, how is 'boys life' affiliated with real pedophilia in japan? I'm skeptical since I've run into enough genz throwing the P word around to own other fujo

No. 179995

>>179994
Shonen ai is what translates to boys love or rather love for boys. Not sure if it's still used by pedos today but it used to be when the term became popular in the west.

No. 179997

>>179995
…and how is it related to pedophilia? crime stats? articles explaining the term is used by pedo?
shounen - the genre itself are for teens16+
the genre of shounen ai only depicting romantic love, nothing sexual, even when implied it is not in gratuitous purpose. It is not child porn.

if you're replying to this with another "it is pedo though!" I assume youre underage on lolcow dot farm

No. 179999

>>179995
Nonnie, I think you’re confused, the actual pedo category is “Shotacon” Shonen-ai is yaoi but without sex.

No. 180000

shotacon isn't even a fujo thing it's usually a moid fetish

No. 180001

>>180000
TIL Yana Toboso isn't a fujo.

No. 180002

>>180001
i said "usually", i know that hanako-kun is also written by a woman but most shotacon porn is done by moids

No. 180003

>>180001
I think anon's talking about actual shotacon with really young boys in the age range of 3 to 10, not teenagers. That's an actual scrote fetish and most shotacon material is created by men.

No. 180004

>>180000
>>180003
Exactly, Shotacon is a category of manga/anime made by pedos for pedos, which is not the same as Shonen-ai.

No. 180006

>>179997
What? In Japan shonen ai was simply a word used by real pedophiles or by people to describe pedos.
That's it. Originally it had nothing to do with actual BL or shota. Its use to refer to anime/manga is purely a western thing.

>>179999
No, shonen ai was a term mistakenly adopted by the west. In Japan it had nothing to do with BL. It's about time we let it die.

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can we go at least five days on this thread without going back to the whole shotacon sperg, please, i'm praying to my yaoi jesus, bring back anons who just talking about voltron ships or whatever, fuck meeee

No. 180011

>>179999
NTA but apparently the term isn't used to refer to yaoi without sex in japan, "pederasty" is literally written as shounen-ai in japanese: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B0%91%E5%B9%B4%E6%84%9B
The term shounen-ai in relation to manga is pretty much only used for early works by Keiko Takemiya, Moto Hagio, etc.
They mostly use "BL" or "Boys Love" in japan, the shounen-ai and yaoi distinction is pretty much a western thing.

No. 180012

>>180011
>>180006
Ok yeah small correction cause my memory was bad, shonen ai did get used a bit at the beginning when BL was starting to come into existence as a genre, but when then got dropped in the late 90s and now only means real life pedophilia. Unfortunately the west never caught on.

So yeah anyway just don't use it anymore it's outdated af.

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Aaaanyway, what are your absolute favorite ships that you still sail on to this day nonnas?

Picrel, they were my first ship and seeing the fanservice in Sun/Moon was so nice

No. 180024

>>180023
what kind of fanservice was there? haven’t played any of the new games

No. 180033

>>180023
this ship is FIRE I'm so glad gamefreak brought them back, totally married husbands on tropical honeymoon scenario. I want to go draw them now.

No. 180074

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>>180023
I will never forgive Clamp. NEVER.

No. 180101

if i never have to see characters from genshin impact, vtubers or boku no hetero academia ever again it would still be too soon

No. 180103

Huge spoiler for DGS/Great Ace Attorney but I'm 99.99999% Sherlock and Mikotoba were fucking. The guys might as well be in a long distance relationship with their two daughters being unofficially sisters in law. I refuse to believe otherwise.

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>>180101
Sorry for your uncultured taste nonnie, Genshin serves the best gay bishies.

No. 180109

>>180104
Genshin players don't have the right to shit on anyone's taste, it's unironically the worst offender of the three

No. 180110

>>180101
my boomer brain still finds it's difficult to separate vtubers from celebrities (even with avatar and public persona). So finding ships of vtubers (and porns of them) really come off weird to me. Am I just too normie.

No. 180114

I don't understand the appeal of vtubers

No. 180122

>>180110
No, it's the opposite. Only normies care about real people larping as anime characters. Probably makes it easier for them to relate.

No. 180126

>>180114
They get to look at the waifu of their dreams doing soyboi faces and “omg this anime character is talking to me when I send a message for 1 dollar!”

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>>180122
You see this is my dilemma because I see actors playing characters as the characters (eg, MCU fujo vs marvel comic fujo).

Even stuffs like virtual bands/idols (Gorillaz, Hatsune Miku) they're a group project consists of artist, writer, producer, etc. So the fandom surrounds them are still producing contents that are already fictional.

Pop Idol fandoms… in which I can understand to a degree (couldn't get into it either), since they're producing songs and maybe occasionally throw in lore (like virtual bands did), it's fun for fandom to speculate and make contents over. The shipping thing happens to be a product of fanservice.

Now, to virtual youtuber… which is streamer with an avatar, sometimes individual sometimes a group. A plethora of personality and "lore" which are usually commentary and quirks that the streamer behave during live. Impromptu comedy/skit is most favorable since it leaves a level of authenticity and connection to the audience (plus chat interaction).
Now it's where the bottom the iceberg hurts my brain because I don't understand the 18+ doujin generated from fans based on these vtubers. In which (I THINK?) a lot of time people just want to see a scenario when their fav gets fucked and that's pretty much it.

Please grade on my essay I'm just an old and confused fujo

No. 180158

>>180122
This is exactly my problem with vtubers. I don't see them as anime characters, to me it's more like a real life influencer than a voice actor playing an anime character. Like people were drawing hentai doujins of Jontron but as a cartoon or something, the fantasy immersion just isn't there in the same sense it exists with fictional characters because they're still real people but with anime avatars. Also almost all of them have ugly designs

No. 180168

>>180074
Seeing people be pissed at Clamp is so nostalgic. They been pissing people off for decades kek

No. 180202

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>>180168
Glad to know their sales and popularity tanked. Good riddance to those hacks.

No. 180213

>>180168
what have they even done in the last 15 years or so except recycle their old stuff and make everything less gay (worse)

No. 180219

>>180074
>>180202
How'd they fuck up with these two to earn your ire, nonnie? I never got far into xxxholic, but I liked the art style. The boys look cute together, what a waste.

No. 180238

>>180219
How do I even begin?
Yuko disappears because it turns out she was dead all along. Watanuki inherits the shop and never leaves. He becomes a smug know-it-all piece of shit that becomes obsessed with finding Yuko, not learning a single fucking lesson from her. He never sees Himawari ever again, only calling her on her birthday. She ends up marrying a rando

Kohane, the psychic child, is also in love with Watanuki and she grows up and MARRIES Doumeki. They both enter a loveless marriage so they can keep an eye on Watanuki and have kids so they can watch over him until the end of fucking time. It's deplorable for both of them and Watanuki feels no remorse.

And even though Wakanuki receives a dream vision that Yuko wants him to MOVE ON, he DOESN'T. He continues his shitty new attitude and continues. You later find out that 100 years passes and Doumeki's fucking grandkid who resembles him visits Watanuki on the reg, and he inherited the egg. Not sure if you got to the point where Doumeki got the egg, but long story short, he does NOTHING with it. NOTHING.

And really random detail, but Wakanuki is the son of clone Sakura and clone Syaoran. That's the identity of his parents. That's why he randomly looks like Clow Reed.

They tried to continue it because everyone was fucking mad as fuck at Clamp for its ending, but it's still on hiatus when they tried again. I fucking hate Clamp and their obsession with Sakura and Syaoran so much. All they've been doing is riding the coattails of CCS and never fucking got off.

No. 180246

>>179921
who cares, sasaki is cute

No. 180249

>>180012
>>179991
>>180006
>>180012
God, shut the fuck up. I can't stand that passive-aggressive and authoritarian way that SJWs talk. You gave no sources for your statement, and even if it's true, who gives a fuck? This word has another meaning in the west, and I'm sure that the degenerate country that allows pedophile porn to be produced and tends not to interact with english speakers doesn't give a shit.

No. 180252

>>180249
Fucking kek exactly what i was thinking

No. 180311

>>180249
Ok retard, here is your source.
https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B0%91%E5%B9%B4%E6%84%9B_(%E5%B0%91%E5%A5%B3%E6%BC%AB%E7%94%BB)
Someone else also posted another source if you can't read. Stop using this shitty term, it makes you look like a newfag. Any decent site that posts about or provides BL content is trying to move past it, there is literally no reason to defend a dying term from the 90s. What the fuck are you in this hobby for if you can't keep up with the most basic shit about it? Your shit comes from Japan, created by Japan, in japanese, there is no reason not to use the words they chose.

No. 180318

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>>180311
NTA but how fucking thick can you get when anon above already linked the article, >>180011 and gave you a summary, and explained that the term has a different meaning "pederasty". Shounen-ai is simply replaced by the new terms that surfaced during late 90s, such as "Boy's Love", "Yaoi", "JUNE" and "fiction novel", it is NOT because "shounen-ai" was a derogatory term.

Just be honest that you can't fucking read japanese and stop spreading false information, you'd get yelled at in here. Get back to your tiktok doxxing webtoon authors you fucking twat.

No. 180321

Why are people fighting over a goddamn term, am I on twitter or something? It does make you look like a newfag for using such a dated term I haven't heard since 2005 but it's also peak idiocy to claim it's totes a pedo dogwhistle and we shouldn't use it guys. Who even started this absolutely retarded infighting?

No. 180326

>>180321
Some idiot decided to be fancop Mussolini over a single word kek, just ignore her sperging or report the posts.

>>180024
Sorry for the late reply anon! There wasn't anything overt, but they both showed up together to challenge your trainer to a battle late in the game, and had some cute dialogue. It was implied they came to Alola together which was cute.

No. 180354

so i started playing twst and there's a ton of good fujobait but why the heck is the english fandom plagued by shitty ocs done by yumejos and aidens?? even grim has more chemistry with the boys than the mc kek

No. 180357

>>180354
its especially funny because the mc is male in the manga

No. 180359

>>180238
NTA but I remember hearing that Clamp made the second half of Magic Knight Rayearth because so many readers were upset about the ending of the first part. Then there's X that's not even finished so, have they always been extremely bad with endings?

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thinking about rusame anon… </3

>>180359
Clamp's stories have always been a hit or miss for me. I actually admire of the fans that still keep up with Tsubasa despite of their irregular release. These women must be in their 50s now jesus

No. 180409

>>180359
To be fair, a lot of manga in general have mediocre endings at best because they're either cut short, on eternal hiatus or the editors force successful manga to continue even after the end that was planned by the mangaka.

No. 180415

>>180318
It does also refer to pederasty and is outdated and not used nowadays so it is in fact retarded to use it. Literally no reason to do it.

No. 180418

>>180415
nta but I'm begging you to shut up already

No. 180425

>>180415
Shut the fuck up with your virtue signaling. Quit fucking policing a term as innocuous as fucking "shonen-ai." Go back to twitter for fuck's sakes

No. 180429

>>180415
I'm going to continue using it just for you, shonen-ai chan.

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>>180409
off topic since there's a gore raid on /ot/ and I really wanted to check out the fujo vs yumoji thread that was newly created.

I haven't been out of the loop with the yumejo sperging thing (generally thought they're contained in fujo cringe thread which I avoid avidly).

Please tell me this divide is fake and only exists online because no other geek women online I ran to ever mention it, or at least even if they don't refer themselves as fujo it'd just be "I like OO ship because __"

A few posts in this thread that yumejo behaviors are prevalent offline as well? Maybe I don't have enough nerd girl friends..

No. 180444

>>180443
> no other geek women online I ran to ever mention it,
correction to *no other geek women irl, sorry for typo

No. 180446

>>180443
A few days ago in the Genshin general some yumejo flipped the fuck out when people kept calling Diluc a faggot. Today I saw in "Things we hate" thread and saw the same sperg chimp out about the situation again.

No. 180448

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>>179958
>>180371

Rusame nona! Hopefully I tagged the same person. Anyway, picrel was from one of hima's more recent(? a few months ago) comics. Iirc Russia sent a cardboard cutout of himself to everyone to rank his friend list and picrel was him at the end flustered by america's antics lmao.

Sperging incoming! I love the rusame dynamic because they were allies to deep enemies, and to maybe/probably lovers. I imagine my rusame to be on good terms, having each others backs to cold enemies during the cold war lmfao. Them being so different yet so similar at the same time, hence, clashing so heavily against each other. The naiviety of america vs the old and cynical russia, different ideologies. It's hot when they hate fuck each other in the "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" type of way. Revealing their most vulnerable selves during sex and suddenly when the cold war is over, there's a concern for each other. Only the two of them will understand each other that deeply since they both of have seen and accepted all of the other's flaws. It's kind of assuring at the same time, and when they still get together to fuck, they're still thinking whether they're playing mind games or not. The fluff is only good after the mindfuckery. I'm not so well versed on the history side so this is what is to me. Thank you for reading my sperg, hope you have a blessed day rusame anon <3

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>>180446
That's good to know, I guess at least the discussion has a containment thread for it (and hopefully not breaching to here since I don't understand the division between the two).

>>180448
Been thinking of you nona ♥
Thanks for the context for the comic, that is so cute. I love your interpretation of rusame with their rocking relationship (ally, to lover, to enemies, to ex-enemies with a hate boner for each other). This makes me want to research of the history of their alliance, which is so interesting to me!

This fan art from picrel artist @NUNOKISO got me thinking of this dynamic of rusame being villain-duo. Whether they're ally or at wars at each other, it causes casualties to their surroundings. which goes deep into decades of global economy crisis & military expansions, etc
I'd to see them being destructive and self-destructive to each other, it's exhilarating for me to watch and speculate (at least in Hetalia universe, nothing serious!)

No. 180507

>>180443
It's honestly because yumejos consider fujos disgusting coomer freaks below them and desperately want to be differentiated, you see it happen all the time around the site and only recently have fujos started to really get fed up with it. Fujos might make a snarky remark about hetships but then you get the rabid yume throwing a shitfit over being bullied and unironically crying heterophobia. It isn't a new thing at all, the divide has existed in the Japanese fandom since forever but it's relatively more recent in the west due to the sudden availability of otome games here. Before yumes were clumped in with fujos due to everything josei with pretty boys being called "fujopandering".

Personally my problem with yumes has always been the thinly veiled homophobia, not even talking about the "ew I hate those 2D homos" thing but the constant dismissal of lesbian fujos and the strange refusal of acknowledging their existence and the stupid arrogance instead of compassion over aidens who troon out under misogynist pressure. I'm tired of having to explain for the 100th time how the psychology works only for a new bitch come in to screech about how "you can't be a lesbian because you're licking 2D scrote dick".

No. 180510

I used to be a yumejo when i was a kid and multiple of my husbandos had a canon het ship so I remember at the time feeling very jealous. Like i didn't want to see their ship art at all, it would make me very sad lol. So at first I understood why these rabit yumes hate seeing their husbando with other characters, but it seems that in reality they were only bothered by gay ships. Which is still SO weird to me because I remember being annoyed by all these female love interests and wishing that it was me not them! Why is every yume saying that you are supposed to "self-insert" like that shit doesn't make any sense. Why aren't they having a meltdown when their boys are paired with random girls? Most waifufags get mad when that happens.
In the end, my conclusion is that even among yumes I was an outcast. Yumes aren't in love with their husbando, they're just homophobes who want to see more het ships. They're your typical girl who reads basic YA romance novels all day. And I couldn't relate to these people, maybe that's why I made the transition to a full fujo.

No. 180511

Also they should drop the term yume cause it lost all meaning. Just call yourself a shoujofag

No. 180512

>>180510
>Yumes aren't in love with their husbando, they're just homophobes who want to see more het ships.
This is exactly why the term should be corrected to hetshippers instead of yumes. Originally yumes only wanted the husbando to themselves, not a shoujo-like setting where a self-insert girl dates the man of their dreams. I didn't understand why people claimed to be both yume and a fujo because it seemed like a conflict of interest but I recently realized that the term "yumejoshi" has been co-opted by regular old hetshippers who hate gay couples.

No. 180529

>>180512
You can be a yume and a fujo if you only have one husbando (maybe from another series) and enjoy BL ships. When I used to husbando [redacted] other ships (both het and gay) that didn't include him didn't bother me.
But most yumes, especially western yumes, are just vaguely attracted to 2D men that's why they're fine shipping them with mary sues, #girlboss no.637281 and tiddie fanservice characters. When you fall in love with someone IRL you don't imagine scenarios with them and other girls right? That's how you know their love is shallow. They're just hetshippers.

No. 180551

>>180512
Yeah, my understanding was that real yumes are like the Snapewives but for anime characters, kek

No. 180554

>>180551
snapewives were a bit more unhinged….

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>>165351
what is our next thread title going to be? or there's already an anon assigned to do that.

No. 180710

>>180512
they're not a conflict of interest at all. i don't het ship but i love self-insert. i used to be a fujo only. i literally don't see these homophobic yumes you see on lc

No. 180751

>>180710
self-insert on men?

No. 180752

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No. 180800

>>180710
She’s referring to when straight anons are genuinely confused as to why lesbians would be fujos.

No. 180829

>>179949
>either they act very dismissive and try to convince their girlfriend to change interests or they don't give a shit and just sorta ignore it
that's been my experience as well, my husband really doesn't understand my interest but he respects my individual interests and I respect his and we don't force the other to like what we life if were uncomfortable with it
Honestly if these cringy "Fujo girls" adaptations were realistic, I think that would be the case with 90% of fujos and their boyfriends as well

No. 181047

>>180443
Sperg but reading that Yumes vs Fujos thread gave me genuine brain damage. Imagine unironically complaining about how "you're not allowed to be a straight woman anymore" and how the whole existence of male/male ship art is an insult to their hetero conviction. I would accuse them of laying bait but I actually know people IRL who constantly feel insecure about being a het artist and go on these tonedeaf public rants about how straight relationships need representation too and how they consider their work being threatened by the popularity and widespread presence of m/m or f/f material, receiving an overwhelming amount of support for it instead of being told to wipe those crocodile tears away. This clown world lunacy is an actual proof of how terminally online these people are to think gay romance is the norm and that hetshippers are being burned at a stake for their straight propaganda.

I completely get the point about wanting more het material that's healthy and created by women and can get behind that demand but being resentful of fujos for producing their own and dominating the female market is pathetic. Fujos are so dedicated to their community and so used to creating their own content and not taking anything for granted, fucking Comiket exists because of them because they wanted to have a place to share their passion for their works. Hetshippers should learn a lesson or two so they don't have to go around crying about being bullied by imaginary fujo strawmen.

No. 181056

>>181047
how can they complain about a lack of het ship representation when literally everywhere i go i'm hit in the face with het ships. webtoons, light novels, manga, anime, games, movies, tv series, your local bookstore… you have the whole world creating content for you! who else is writing those romance novels if not women? het ships have become the norm so much that obviously people won't hype them up anymore like they do with m/m and f/f. they're extremely greedy and entitled

No. 181066

>>181056
Their reasoning is that all heterosexual content is created by men and that women don't receive any healthy, balanced m/f content tailored for them which is a bald-faced lie altough I know where the assumption stems for. However, women write plenty of straight romance novels and weebs have multiple female-written straight romance genres to enjoy. It's mostly just people who like shit like Twisted Wonderland or other series blurring the line between otome and fujopandering being mad that fujoshit content is popular in their fandom and their fantasy is being threatened.

I really want to believe that half of the posts in that thread are created by scrotes to stir discord but I'm forced to accept that at least some of them are legitimate because I know people like this outside of Lolcow.

No. 181068

>>181066
you’re so right. i can count on one hand the number of decent BL animes that have come out in recent history, in comparison there is way more decent het stuff. all of this resentment seems to be born from fandom spaces where fan created m/m content is more prevalent. what i wouldn’t give for there to be more canon m/m content and less fandom m/m content lol.

No. 181071

>>181066
the funny part is that twisted wonderland doesn't even have much if any otome bait (besides maybe malleus) in comparison to other joseimuke like enstars. in fact it doesn't even have a canon female mc,there is no anzu. the dialogue is so painfully platonic, even the boys in touken ranbu show more interest in the saniwa

No. 181079

>>181071
Official MC is either male or a stealth fakeboi in twst. if the manga's mc being a boy wasn't enough, it takes place in an all boy school and there are even trap jokes about Epel yet MC's sex is never brought up.

No. 181084

>>181079
Yeah, I’m playing twisted and when they bring up the Epel trap stuff, they’re like
>This is an all boys school, girls are not allowed!
Nobody bats an eye at MC, so it’s safe to assume that it’s a crossdressing MC or a male. I mean, what did anyone expect? It’s Disney, of course they won’t create an actual otome experience, they’re just selling their own interpretations of “What if the queen of hearts was a guy!!!!!???” And “Scar but it’s a hot guy!!!!” So nobody can make bank with it anymore.

No. 181086

there's no reason for yuu to be a crossdresser though unless they're an aiden but that's something else because they were isekai'd out of nowhere and neither grim nor crowley mentioned their gender. grim found epel attractive meanwhile with yuu he acts like a brat

No. 181088

>>181086
I mean, it also could possibly mean that Grim acts like a brat around MC because MC isn’t cute. And I honestly don’t get how could MC not just be crossdressing or just a tomboy girl. Which would honestly make the game funnier since it would mean that all of the college is full of faceblind brats.

No. 181089

>>181088
your scenario doesn't sound very realistic lol

No. 181090

>>181089
It’s kind of what happened in Houran though. Still, the game feels more like a stealth yaoi game than an otome game.

No. 181091

I'm curious how they will handle yuu in the anime, frankly I think it would be better if they're simply written out or more of a background character with an ambiguous gender

No. 181093

>>181091
Tbh, I hope it’s the guy from the manga because that would be funny.

No. 181097

>>181088
The boys in twst are all fucking assholes though and so is grim, if you were ugly they wouldn't hesitate to remind you of it at every given opportunity like they do about you being a corny, tard wrangling muggle

No. 181100

>>181097
I remember when I was playing the prologue and they were like omg your plan worked so well and I was like… what plan? You were just standing there and cheering them on kek

No. 181107

>>181097
>>181100
Not giving the MC magic or some sort of “The One” prophecy is dumb, does MC even get their respect at some point? It feels like it’s just existing around a bunch of colorful idiots while talking from time to time so the plot continues.
Or idk, make some guys more compassionate about MC not having magic, so far they’re either like “oh, there’s you who can’t use magic I will proceed to ignore your ass and talk to my bf” or just outright mean like the first couple of asshats that MC meets.

No. 181111

>>181107
you sound like a bitter otomefag

No. 181112

>>181111
The game isn’t even good if you want to look at it from a yaoi perspective.

No. 181113

>>181107
>Not giving the MC magic or some sort of “The One” prophecy is dumb
Unironically one of the best parts of the game. I'm actually so glad they didn't take that retarded mary sue """chosen one""" route for once. not every game needs to be full of characters kissing mc's ass nonstop for no good reason, especially not one where the guys are based on villains.

No. 181115

>>181112
>perspective
Surely you're aware that fujos are shipping these characters with eachother and not male mc kek

No. 181116

>>181113
>full of characters kissing mc's ass nonstop for no good reason
genshin impact…….

No. 181140

>>181068
the only recent popular BL series we got are danmei works. other than that it's crickets

No. 181248

>>181140
I think BL have been getting more live action adaptations instead of anime

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>>181248
i don't watch either of them but i'd rather they'd get anime version than live action, i really don't enjoy it when i search a manga title for fanarts and whatnot and 3D dudes show up, it's making me anti bl almost lol

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every two days I log in checking this thread for rusame anon and go back to sleep.
Have a good rusame day fellow fujo-anon

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Nonnas, do you have any favorite pairings that you can no longer mention in public? Picrel used to be one of my favorites. Then the author went full degen (unrelated to the anime) and basically now I can't admit to even knowing what this show is, because all anyone does is conflate this author's work with his horrible degeneracy. It's really tragic since the anime itself doesn't have anything like that in it.

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>>181331
I was a big fan of picrel, lol. Now it's highly problematic to enjoy fictional incest.

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>>181334
nona, youre valid, and so smart.
I never into Ouran but for every series out there has twins or some sort alter ego of a character, my brain flares up.

what's the context of your picrel btw

>>181331
I don't have any gay ships in ruronin kenshin (I actually find the het ones are pretty well written, especially in the movies).
I still indulge this show from time to time, through piracy, this show has shaped my philosophy in life so much I don't think I can completely discard it; despite the fact that I disagree with the author and the kind of things he endorses.

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>>181331
It's mostly shit I do mention an retweet online but I had to delete and redo my twitter to fully escape retards:
>Phoenix/Apollo is demonized because "muh father figure" and because Phoenix's adopted daughter is Apollo's bio sister, not gay but I've seen the same bullshit with Blackquill/Athena
>Barok/Ryunosuke is demonized because m"muh racism"
>Kristoph/anyone is seen as awful because Kristoph is a manipulative criminal and even the people who ship Kristoph/Klavier make both of them OOC
>Edgeworth/Phoenix and Klavier/Apollo are sanitized so any of the in-character, fun interactions and banter are nowhere to be seen in fanfics and western fanarts. Suddenly, Edgeworth being tsundere like in the actual game is "problematic" and Klavier gently bullying Apollo doesn't exist anymore
>DGS2 spoilers I've even seen Mikotoba/Sherlock being criticized because muh age gap even though it might as well be the closest to a gay canon couple after Edgeworth/Phoenix
>Vincent/Rin in Catherine Fullbody because muh transphobia
>Yu/Yosuke isn't quite there yet but I've seen people complaining about Yosuke's homophobia and making him very OOC because of it
>Vergil/Dante for obvious reasons
>anything from Hetalia I guess

And regarding the manga you posted, I'm still shocked the mangaka only had to pay a small fine and could be back to work as usual. It's fucked up, but I guess he's bringing too much money to the publishers to be fired.

>>181334
If you manage to avoid the insane people who take that shit seriously you can in fact ship brothers together. But I get what you mean though.

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>>181350
Don't take this the wrong way, but it couldve been you're exposed to puritans/antis a lot in fujo circle? not to mention the Authentic MLMs out there

These kinds of takes are completely new to me, ridiculous even, especially
>Edgeworth/Phoenix and Klavier/Apollo are sanitized so any of the in-character, fun interactions and banter are nowhere to be seen in fanfics and western fanarts. Suddenly, Edgeworth being tsundere like in the actual game is "problematic" and Klavier gently bullying Apollo doesn't exist anymore

Makes me grateful I never dug into AA fandom, at all, I'm a BL artist and I have a few AA shipper artists follow me and they don't seem to do any kind of santitized, woobifying Edgeworth like you mentioned. Most are just shitposting comics I've seen.
To call Edgeworth's tsundere signature trait "problematic" must be coming from extreme online crazies that cant justify themselves for disliking certain headcanons
Sperging ahead I've ran a few of them in the past, took me big lesson to not EVER take them seriously at all. I've seen them called out harmless, very-canon depiction of a ship "misogynistic" (???) just because that ship fights each other alot and isn't entirely coffee-shop au

No. 181357

>>181356
>Don't take this the wrong way, but it couldve been you're exposed to puritans/antis a lot in fujo circle?
It's more that I was exposed to them before. Now, not so much. But when I was still on tumblr I made friends who were into Ace Attorney and ere pretty normal, well-adjusted weebs but they changed and became puritan SJWs who thought that gay ships that aren't depicted as a cutesy domestic couple was contributing to offensive stereotypes towards real gay men. I unfollowed all of them over the past few years and mostly follow Japanese and Chinese artists, and maybe a few European ones. About the other pairings I mentioned, I keep blocking underage fangirls who have too much time to waste online, but they tend to harass other artists for their ships.

When I look for art and fics I find the exact same shit. Klavier being all over Apollo and being way nicer towards him and calling him petnames, and Edgeworth and Phoenix being your average cutesy, old married couple. With non of the tension from the actual games.

No. 181361

>>181357
> But when I was still on tumblr I made friends who were into Ace Attorney and ere pretty normal, well-adjusted weebs but they changed and became puritan SJWs who thought that gay ships that aren't depicted as a cutesy domestic couple was contributing to offensive stereotypes towards real gay men.

I wonder what caused the shift. I'm pretty convinced that whole Voltron fandom dilemma causes a ripple effect to all gay ships fandom these days.

As for my personal experience as a BL artist, I was never directly interacted with puritans/antis, I think they just learned to block me which is? I was lucky for that part.
I actually got harassed by older fujo seemed to be traumatized by antis apparently. They used the same rhetoric of "this headcanon is harmful in real life". One of them was being xenophobic towards me because I'm from east asia
Nowadays I just hang around other east asia fujo, they're… cringe by my standards. There are definitely anti-fujo but at the very least they're honest about it? Like my friend would get minors DMing them about "distributing homosexual propaganda is illegal in the country", which we just screencapped and laughed at that.

I really wish these kinds of arguments that based on disagreements wouldn't escalate so much like how I see nowadays. Everyone plays in their sandbox and leave each other alone.

No. 181374

>>181361
I think I already started seeing shitty discourse in 2012, so way before the new Voltron series. It was basically a game of telephone, here's how I remember it:
>fujoshi were pretty much normal teenagers and young adult women minding their own business
>then gay guys would say things like "stop treating us like fashion accessories" and "stop hitting on us in gay bars" to actual faghags, completely unrelated to fandoms
>then fakebois deformed this and made it about them and started saying that we were fetishizing them if we liked Free!! or Hetalia or some shit
>well-meaning, naive fujoshi actually started believing this and started policing each other
>some of them claim to be ftm or enby or some shit to be able to post whatever they want without being harassed by their mutuals
My friends from back then and I are European but since me and two of them aren't white I guess one of them started to be way more critical of what we would do because we were supposed to set examples or some shit? One of them turned into a turbo SJW and the other made her endlessly seethe by insisting that Naoto from P4 is a woman and not a tranny.

>spoiler

What did they tell you? I can already guess they said something stupid but I want to know how stupid that was.

>which we just screencapped and laughed at that.

Based.

>Everyone plays in their sandbox and leave each other alone.

That's what I'm currently doing. Twitter is trash but I managed to make myself feel at home by blocking and muting the right people and tags.

No. 181376

>>181374
> I think I already started seeing shitty discourse in 2012
I've read all your bullet points, and damn, I think during that era I was actively posting & engaging Dmmd fandom, saw some older fujo complained about people calling Mink "problematic" and bitched about ship wars. I never got to encounter with any kind of bad take at all, just got home from class, doodled and posted, scrolled feed for more fan arts. I was really on the fringe of these fujo-adjacent fandoms so I was free from drama fortunately.

What do you usually do on fandom space?

For me I'd love to draw, discuss headcanons, and then draw the headcanons based from the discussions with friends. A lot of shitposting which is a good stress relief for me.
I enjoyed being in fujo-space since I'm less pressured to look at some fuck-up porns shared around by male otaku. Women space tends to be more polite and civil. Which is why I'm sad that women space is getting more policed these days. I never had to block anyone until the tumblr ban happened, and eroded twitter in mass.

> What did they tell you? I can already guess they said something stupid but I want to know how stupid that was.

I'm not allowed to say word-to-word since it could get me ID'ed (sorry!). The gist is that I'm some third-world country scum kind of deal. It's still fucked me up and I'd have to hide my nationality when I'm online now.

No. 181379

>>181374
>and the other made her endlessly seethe by insisting that Naoto from P4 is a woman and not a tranny.
I know these people are retarded, but the constant insistence that female characters who pretend to be male to avoid the limitations put upon women by their culture's misogyny still baffles me. How can you miss the point that hard?

And the discourse was definitely starting up in 2012, you're right. I think things only really started to take off in 2015-2016ish, that's when I started to see constant bitching from fakebois and other assorted wokescolds about how Free! fans and the like are essentially Westboro-tier homophobes for thinking nipple-less anime prettyboys making out is hot, kek

No. 181387

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Anyone who knows japanese maybe help to help me with this?

I have 0 japanese understanding and asked a native translator. Basically from what I understand is that the Lion guy wants to be tied up, spanked and such, but the dark-haired guy wants to do normal, romantic courtship. But what I don't get is:

Why does the dark-haired guy tell the Lion-guy "No." but then asks him at the end: So, are these the hobbies you're into? I can do it, if you want to. And then the Lion guy suddenly denies it, even though he aggressively demanded it a panel earlier?

Also, I was told on 4chan (I know, I know…) by guys that the native translators didn't do a good job. But I have no clue if that statement is true or not, I'll post the results below. If anyone could help me get some insight, I would appreciate it.

Her translation:
ゴロゴロゴロゴロゴロゴロ
Gorogorogorogorogorogoro (onomatopoeia)

むず
Muzu (onomatopoeia)

よい夜をキングスカライ
Have a good night, Kingscarae.

おやすみの挨拶
Good night greetings

贈り物
gift

手をつなぐ
join hands


興味ねぇ・・・
I'm not interested.

これをやろう
I’ll give it to you.

おにくランチボックス
Meat lunch box

あれがガーゴイル
That's the gargoyle.

違うだろ
It's not.

がきじゃねぇんだ
You are not a small kid.

さっさとヤれよ?!
Just do it now.

縛ったり
tie them up

叩いたり
slapping

お前のイメージはこんなんだろ
This is what your image looks like.

ネコにしつけをしてやろう
Let's train the cat.

ヌルいんだよ
You're halfway there.

のしっ
noshi (onomatopoeia)

ムズムズする
I feel my fingers itch.

ビビビ
bebebe(onomatopoeia)

オラ、手を出せ
Hey. Give me your hand.

手篭めにしろ!
Lock me up!

順序は追うべきだ
We should follow the order.

だめ。
No.

そ、そうか・・・(?)
Oh, yeah… (? )

ところでお前にはああいった趣味があるのか?
By the way, do you have any hobbies like that?

やりたいなら努力してみよう
If you want to do it, I’ll try my best to make it happen.

いや やりたくはねぇ・・・
No, I don't want to do it…

No. 181390

>>181374
Oldfag fujo here, this is a very accurate rundown of it. I remember that "fujos are just
straight girls fetishizing gay men" discourse popping up around the same time the transgender trend started gaining more traction, i.e. mid-2010's. There definitely was a correlation, the first people I saw pushing that narrative were he/him Aidens who were aggressively skinwalking gay guys and it was so retarded I saw through that bullshit even back then despite dipping my own foot in fakeboy-ism. It definitely outdates Voltron but during that whole garbage fire the people shipping Keith and Lance made it mainstream with the help of those naïve fujos who thought they were doing a favor policing other women for their interests.

>>181361
>Everyone plays in their sandbox and leave each other alone.
It was easier when people had their dedicated corners of the internet where they spent their time with like-minded individuals. Now you have everyone amalgamated into one big miserable social media site where it's next to impossible to completely avoid seeing shit you don't enjoy because there's no integrated tagging system and people generally don't know how to navigate.

No. 181402

I'm still waiting for someone to create a new website for artists and fandoms…. Even on deviantart you had groups to find like minded individuals but not only is twitter a cesspool but you need to know specific people to find more people from your fandom. It's not easy to block everyone, a lot of art is untagged, people you follow can post irrelevant shit on your tl etc I think this is why everyone gets cancelled, because people don't have their own safe corner anymore.

No. 181405

>>181350
I always saw Yosuke's homophobia as a normal reaction guys had at the time, plus the whole questioning aspect of Yosuke wondering maybe he is gay as well. I don't understand why the people who screech at Yosuke don't see that and just change his personality. WORK with that, retards!

No. 181417

>>181387
Hey nonny, it's not that your native friend has incorrect translation, it is because this page has so little context to through (I still dont know why theres a caption: "good night." at the top right corner).

The context I understood that those two are on a date: sequences including eating bento and holding hand.

So the Lion guy flipped out right "Hey, that's not right. This is what in your imagination isn't it?" (or "This is what your version of our dates isn't it?")
Then the dark hair dude said "No. (だめ)" - "We should follow the order"*
*This translation is correct, a literal word to word of what he said. But the accurate, easy to understand of that sentence is "We should do things by the order of a romantic relationship", or similar expression in English is "We should take it slow."
So.. by the black haired guy's definition is that he Really wants to do dirty things to the Lion dude, but the gag here is that he can be surprisingly traditional, which surprised the Lion guy.

Hope it makes any sense lol, I'm more a liberal translator.

No. 181426

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>>181348
I also like the het ships in Kenshin, (I like both), and I adore the live action movies even more than the anime/manga. Based taste nonna.

>>181350
Yeah, tbh I really don't like the author or what he's done as much as anyone sane. It's the mere fact that I can't even mention enjoying Kenshin, because wokelets everywhere within a 50 mile radius come flocking to call me a pedo supporter. I've had it happen in multiple places, I've just learned that I have to pretend Kenshin doesn't exist I guess.
Also Barok/Ryunosuke is that problematic? Fuck I can't have anything, kek.

I knew about the other ships here (bless them nonas they're all great) through the unfortunate fact that I'm also a BL artist and like to draw ships. Shipping fandom is just pure cancer, and while I knew that going in I didn't expect it to be like this. It's hard to find chill people and the hoards of shit I sometimes get is exhausting.

No. 181427

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>>181426
> I've had it happen in multiple places, I've just learned that I have to pretend Kenshin doesn't exist I guess.
What actually happened to you? if you don't mind me asking.

I've been a private person and kept most of my niche interests to myself, or if I happen to get brainrot over a ship or series for a short period of time, I'd have someone to yell about it until something else takes place. So I'm pretty lucky that I didn't run into anyone would lecture me that "x thing is problematic" haha.

> I'm also a BL artist and like to draw ships

This makes me wonder how many art anon here in fujo thread. I'm counting two now. Who else please raise your hand.

>>181402
I ranted about this from time to time in art salt thread. I do miss a platform where the portion of artist vs audience isn't such a huge gap. Usually (from my experience) the dramas started from non-artists, or artists who cant seem to grasp their inferior complex to nitpick other artist's drawings ("Oh, the men she draws look like women, she must be a fetishist!" / "This author is making this character into a male prostitute, I HATE prostitutes! This author must be punished for that".)

Thank GOD I never get into doing webtoon, seems like they have the most cancerous audience and I genuinely ran out of patience to deal with any kind of immature takes out there.

No. 181429

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>>181427
I don't mind! I've been chased out of a few discords that weren't even centered on shipping or fandom (they were just arts discords and spaces I thought were relaxed). One for just mentioning that I like the live action movies, the other two for just drawing really harmless fanarts that were just Kenshin standing around and posing.
I also used to get regular hate on an old tumblr I used to upload my works on. I deleted those works and deactivated it for a different reason though. I haven't been brave enough to post anything related to the series on twitter. I get regular hate on twitter now and then via qrts (I used to get annoying DMs but turned those off long ago). I just block or ignore it, it's manageable since I haven't been cancelled yet, kek.

No. 181439

>>181429
Anon… I'm so sorry all of this happened to you wtf!! I never joined art discords myself, though I've been encouraging my friend whos new to art to join discords since the environment is more manageable in compared to social media.

This makes me curious what kind of content you created on tumblr which led you to receive so much hate.
I only had one shipping drama that permanently fucked me over mentally, but on social media I do not receive direct hate or harassment anymore. Though just having that one incident already caused me wanting to quit drawing altogether.. I salute you anon.

I'm actually curious to hear more of your story I'm so privy ahhh I'm so sorry but usually I feel less alone when I hear artists share their struggle with being online and having to engage with the audience that can turn abusive anytime, imo.
If you want I can drop my temp discord in next reply so we can have short term chat outside of LC

No. 181441

>>181417
Thank you very much! This helps a lot to make sense out of the picture.

No. 181449

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>>181376
>What do you usually do on fandom space?
The things you mentioned. We used to shitpost, talk about our headcanons, favorite scenes, favorite characters, hypothesis about the next episodes/video games/movies/books, recommend fics to each other, reblog art we liked to show it to each other, etc. I used to draw a lot but I've stopped long ago because not being able to afford a proper desk and anything that made art fun and seeing other artists my age who had tablets/pads and their own laptops was extremely frustrating. That was so long ago now…

>spoiler

Fuck this bitch. I hope you reported her.

>>181379
>>181390
Yeah, 2016 felt like the pic of this bullshit discourse because of American underaged newfags hoping in and series like Voltron and Steven Universe having the most obnoxious fanbases after Homestuck. But it did start before that, although it was way easier to ignore.

>>181405
At the time people were agreeing that Yosuke was gay for the MC and in total denial, but after P4 Golden got released a shit ton of people just watched like half of a playthrough on youtube and thought they knew what they were talking about.

>>181426
>Also Barok/Ryunosuke is that problematic? Fuck I can't have anything, kek.
Yeah I legit see people saying Barok was way too racist against Ryu but tbh… Despite being rude towards him he still treated him way better than how I've been treated by a lot of "non-racist" people my whole life so I didn't even notice anything at all and still don't get where the complaints come from. It's all very exaggerated, and Japanese and Chinese fujos don't give a fuck and draw them fucking like rabbits all the time anyway. Anyway, good luck to you if you often post you art online. Sorry for the wall of test, have a slutty Barok.

No. 181452

>>181449
I'm this anon >>181376
> Yeah I legit see people saying Barok was way too racist against Ryu but tbh…
I never got to play this game, but have Great Ace Attorney in my wishlist (I enjoyed the first three games!).
When I was friends with this heavily woke group on twitter (yeah.), one of my ex friend was livetweeting playing the game, and said something like
> wow why is there so much racism in this game. I understand the historical context behind it but if I want to experience racism I can just go outside lol
Said person shares my nationality and honestly… after seeing their comment I stopped associating myself with them. I feel like my hype for the game is tainted somewhat now.

No. 181455

>>181452
Please play DGS it's a masterpiece. The reason why there's "racism" in this game is because of it's basically based on historical events with Japan trying to imitate powerful Western countries during the Meiji era and signing treaties but you'll see this for yourself. It's not that relevant outside a few specific moments that I won't spoil for you and it's really not that obvious outside of these specific moments. Keep in mind that this is a Japanese game with Japanese main characters and none of the Japanese players ever felt offended.

The game is kind of slow at the beginning because it takes its time to properly introduce its characters and mysteries but once you reach a certain point where everything starts making more and more sense you'll love it. I really don't want to spoil anything for you so I'll shut up now. Ignore this group of friends, if they're like the people I used to know on tumblr they won't hesitate to spoil everything to warn you from the supposedly evil, problematic content of the game. That's how I got some parts of the first and second Dangan Ronpa games spoiled for me.

No. 181462

>>181405
>Yosuke wondering maybe he is gay as well
This was pretty much confirmed in the deleted magician social link.
Atlus really pussied out deleting this from the game.

No. 181475

>>181331
I got some shit from mentioning Souji/Adachi. I had left P4 fandom for years, came back, and apparently this ship was triggering to people.

No. 181478

>>181475
exquisite taste, nonnie. i miss the days when P4 first dropped. the kink memes were something else, loved how unhinged some of the requests were. feel free to drop some souji/adachi fics if you know some good ones

No. 181529

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>>180497
>>181311

Rusame nona!!! Oh, I love their rusame art and art in general, thank you for putting it here! Omg nona, your rusame sounds so good too, them being literally "super powers" couple and causing casualties. I'd love to hear about the russo-american(?) relations if you do know any, I shpuld probably read more about it too tbh.

Personally, i love when my rusame is like a game of chess. Mindgames for these two are so exhilerating! I hope you have a good day rusame anon <3 it's always nice to see ypu on here!! picrel by potatoserver404

No. 181530

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>>181331
Like half of my ships.
Because my main ones are currently spardacest in any and all combinations.
And I used to get really triggered by incest due to ~muh trauma~ but I guess I just didn't see guys hot enough to pull it off.
I feel like a complete degenerate. I try to justify it by "well they're not completely human and I'm sure demons fuck regardless of their kinship" but also like… all my friends started referring to me whenever incest comes up now. All the incest jokes and stupid memes? I guess that's my turf now. I wish DMCV never existed because it ruined me as a normal person.

I'll admit I've read incest before and also ships with iffy dynamics like mentor/student and father figure/son figure, but I only ever did it to self-harm and like, mentally hurt myself because I quit physical self-harm and needed SOMETHING to take the edge off. And in the end I memed myself into this mess and genuinely getting off to spardacest. I hate myself even more now, but I can't help liking them so much… ugh. Also like, I've read it before because it wasn't so taboo when I first came into the fandom spaces and a lot of my fandoms just had incest around as a normal thing. I only ever became squicked once I realise how many of the situations are similar to my own and that I shouldn't probably encourage people getting off on them. And then it all became problematic and I breathed a sigh of relief because it meant not seeing it so much. But now I am into it (with very particular characters only though) and the constant discourse (not to mention my own past) make me feel gross anf guilty. Sorry for like a huge confessional post, but I needed to get it off my chest somewhere.

No. 181557

>>181455
thank you for the input anon! I will keep your words in mind and try to shrug off those stupid tweets I've seen before about the game. AA games and its writings always amaze me, Ghost Trick is another fav of mine too.

>>181530
I appreciate your honesty anon! I hope it's not me being intrusive but
have you considered telling your friends that they joking about incest ship / making you the "problematic brother shipper friend" does bother you? If I were your friend I'd appreciate that you'd tell me, I'm the type of friend that tends to poke fun at my friends "hehe Pervert!" but often have little consideration of how my friend feels about such label.
I hope you can continue to enjoy these ships regardless of the current climate of the discourses. It's sad to see that we cant allow to have guilty pleasure nowadays, and that we always have to rationalize the things we're into. It sucks.

No. 181558

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>>181557
My friends know. The closest ones even know the extent of my trauma. And they try to take the jokes back, to apologize, but tbh, I don't feel like actually making them stop.
I'm a bad person who kind of deserves the jokes on their behalf.
That shit… really fucks you up for life. After some time I even started laughing and joking WITH them. Because god, if I do not laugh at it or see hot guys, I just might kms one day for real.
Also seeing cute wholesome art of Vergil/Nero makes me feel better. A bit. Well. I don't know if "better" is the word, but I guess I projected on them all the weird bullshit that happened with my dad. And seeing them fuck makes me more okay because I can kind of distance myself from it. And seeing them cutely together makes me think of what if I actually connected with my father…
God my life is issues on top of issues on top of issues.


I started reading A Cruel God Reigns recently, as it's pertinent to the thread and I couldn't handle it, because the trauma narrative hits too close to home.

No. 181567

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sorry for the sperg out but
so in this wotakoi anime apparently the mc is a fujo and her colleague is an even bigger fujo so i genuinely thought this is supposed to be a cute side gay couple but no. surprise! it's a fakeboi!
i genuinely think that either the author isn't a real fujo and only based her characters on fujos she knew irl, or she's one of those annoying fujos that only enjoys the fantasy porn aspect of it but doesn't think gay couples are actually realistic enough to be included in her shitty romcom manga. either way, being a fujo and writing trashy het should be an offense

No. 181568

>>181567
>but doesn't think gay couples are actually realistic enough to be included in her shitty romcom manga.
This is seriously what bothers me about most "fujoshi lifestyle" manga - they never, ever have actual gay people in them. The main character girl is always boy-crazy and has/gets a boyfriend and so do all her fujoshi friends.

I get that some fujos are unironical straight femcels and want boyfriends and that in Japan the pressure for women to get married is far bigger than in the west but it's still annoying to never see fujoshis being portrayed in a way that isn't just a heterosexual shoujo manga but with a "tee hee she likes watching boys banging isn't that silly!!!" quirk.

No. 181569

>>181567
She's not a fakeboi tho, she just looks like a boy, there's no gender id stuff

No. 181570

>>181567
wotakoi is so painfully unfunny I couldn't even finish the second volume. Fujoshi Rumi is the only good manga of its kind.

No. 181600

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>>181478
nta but here a few good ones:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/35284876
https://archiveofourown.org/works/30729878
https://archiveofourown.org/works/3876559/chapters/8664706
https://archiveofourown.org/works/2134626/chapters/4661841

Not Souji/Adachi but ofc the historical Sympathy Crime FF someone reposted on ao3:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/34098091/chapters/84827377

Due to its inherently ~problematic~ nature, this ship hasn't attracted a lot of neurotic underage sjws unlike a certain other persona ship. Manipulative, coercive Adachi is really hot especially in the context of the accomplice ending. In the OVA, Yu/Souji has a full blown meltdown upon realizing what he has done. I saw some Japanese fujos mention that Adachi kills himself in the aftermath of the Accomplice ending, I don't think if it's a headcanon or something that was canonized somewhere else.

im the anon who posted about her adachi doujin collection and im thinking of scanlanting them if anyone is interested. mods please don't ban me for namefagging

saged for persona sperging

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>>181600
Oh, my friend wrote one of those. Good recs! I also have a hefty doujin collection, and last year some friends and I were working on scans but we got busy, unfortunately. If you ever want to team up and trade notes, maybe we could get in contact somehow.

>>181478
Here's some more.
https://archiveofourown.org/series/1161746
https://archiveofourown.org/works/184881
https://archiveofourown.org/works/59569

(reposting because i effed up the replies)

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>>181603
Were you behind the magatsu agency tumblr, nonnie? You don't have to answer if it's too intrusive of course but if you were, I'm really thankful. I often wonder what happened to Kaleidion too, she translated a lot of stuff. I think after my semester ends, I will scan most my stuff, a lot of which is suuuper old like Opera's 2009 doujins. I think it's extremely interesting how they kinda predicted Golden's new accomplice ending in a way.
Thanks so much for the recs, nonnie, it never occured to me that a lot of good FF would be hidden in the Yu/Adachi tag since Yu isn't the name fujoshis prefer for him.

i hope you and your friends will have fun celebrating his birthday in a few days if you do so. i'm going to bake a red velvet cake, hope i don't fuck it up too bad

No. 181608

>>181606
Apparently, I can't even link fics correctly. The last one should be: https://archiveofourown.org/works/595699

>>181607
Yes! That was me (and my friends). I actually don't own any Opera doujinshi, so I'd be very interested in yours if you choose to upload them somewhere. Are you planning to translate as well?

Hoping to maybe post fic for his birthday… We will see. Good luck with your cake!

No. 181609

>>181608
Let it All Out restored five years of my lifespan, nonnie, thank you so much for uploading it and translating it. Thanks so much for the fics recs too. I started learning japanese for doujin reading purposes, I hope I can become proficient enough to translate them soon! I'll definitely upload the Opera doujins raw at least when I have more time free from uni.

i'll be on the lookout for your fic if you do decide to post it hehe

No. 181617

Dojima/Adachi is superior

No. 181620

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>>181617
Dojima/Adachi is a Dead Dove Do Not Eat in and of itself lol. Pretty hot especially since it's hard to imagine Adachi as the bottom for Yu but more possible with Dojima..

No. 181659

Going to sage for a bit of a sperg, but it drives me crazy to go on the boys love subreddit. So many retards over there who think that "Western BL" is a thing and will say that you're gatekeeping and policing them if you don't consider Young Royals and Skam to be BL…That's like saying The L Word is yuri or Spongebob is an anime.

No. 181700

>>181617
You're 100% right.

No. 181709

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>>181529
nonna ♥

I don't have anything more to add in the rusame sperg. Our convo actually inspired me to create a separate, and quiet fandom account to follow other rusame artists. It's interesting that rusame fans refer them as Harumachi / 春待ち, in which I understood it coins the warm period during 90s when the Cold Wars between russia and america officially over, and they formed alliance temporary during that time. "It comes spring after the cold winter" kind of deal, heheh.

I looked up the artist from your picrel and I vaguely remembered stumble upon their maid rusame fan art, it is based and galaxy brained

This has been fun to talk about, have a good rusame day anon!

No. 181710

>>181608
Anon, I don't know if you'll see this but Fool Me Once was an amazing rec, one of the best fics I've ever heard. It's so cold and unfeeling and full of loneliness. Even though he's such a horrible pos, Souji can't help but love him. It's totally in-character and tragic. Thank you so much

No. 181740

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>>181710
You’re welcome, nonnie!

No. 181741

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>>181709
Rusame nona <3, you are the reason i still check here sometimes even though I tend to forget. I'm glad hetalia fandom is pretty quiet these days, I also have an account to just indulge in my dumbass hetalia shit.

Oh wow, I didn't know the origins of the term. I just thought it sounded so cute, but it is fitting for them I suppose. The end of the cold war, with the coming of spring! I know the ship has a lot of names, in jp and even chinese. Anyway, I hope you'll always have a good one, Rusame nona!

No. 181742

>>181709
>>180497
idk about this, the appeal of Hetalia comes from historical events being portrayed by cute anime boys but those events are way far back and thus disconnected from our own era, they don't mean anything to us
I feel like going to the 90's with real history is just gonna be problematic, Russia was in a horrible state in the 90's, there was aboustetly love for America other then by the Oligarchs
If we stuck to the early cold war maybe(chess game and all) but recent history might be too much

No. 181751

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I don't care about Rusame Fruk is superior to everything else but seeing these two anons talking about it warms my heart.

No. 181758

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>>181741
Happy to see you reply so quickly this time!! I actually started to draw a bit of low effort rusame fan arts myself, I cant share them on LC but you will probably get to spot me during rusame's day or their birthdays (Hopefully I get to continue drawing them until then.)

I'd love to know their other names in jp and chinese (definitely for old fics searching purpose lol). Love love your picrel. Always got your back rusame anon!!

>>181742
Would you like to tell me more? I must admit I have shallow research of russo-america alliance, and only got to dig a bit of their post-cold wars relationship before the bombing
I've always known this ship as having some sort of hate boner for each other.
Here's the wiki that explains the ship name for me. In which the last two paragraphs said
> The name may be coming from those who look forward to Spring and Summer, due to their contempt of the Winter
> May be indicating the relationship between the two are an analogy to winter, indicating that they were in a state before it gets warmer.

I'd like to avoid recent history too if possible!

>>181751
You are valid anon. If I come across any fruk fan art I will gladly share it ♥

No. 181762

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>>181758
I mean the collapse of the Soviet Union was one of the worst tragedies in history for Russians and those living in the regions, people were left destitute, they had worked government jobs their entire lives and then all the factories shut down and now they were in a world they didn't understand, children starved, neighborhoods literally collapsed, entire families killed themselves, the suicide rate skyrocketed, never ending riots and violence, the Oligarchs creating monopiles almost overnight, Then also the war in Chechnya and the election of a drunken puppet leader who sold out the nation
The 90's are not a positive-era for anyone in this region, hell I'd say people became more anti-American in this period then they were entire history of the Soviet Union
I actually like Russia's portrayal btw but I'm not fond of using anything involving recent History for obvious reasons

No. 181767

>>181762
bad for russians but good for my country!

No. 181768

>>181762
AYRT, this is insightful to know, thank you.
I hope my discussion with other rusame anon wasn't overtly tone-deaf in regarding to the characters, I will avoid discussing recent events and stay in context of hetalia universe only.

No. 181855

>>181767
Unless you're Estonian, cap.

No. 181856

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>>181768
It was cute up until you started discussing more recent history, listen I have no problem with even with the most fucked up rusame dynamic(cause I know its fake and not really my country) but I just dislike this false narrative about America and Russian becoming "friends" in the 90's after the end of the Cold war, something everyone in my country would find extremely offensive and its also blatantly untrue, I can see how Japanese people might have seen this new post-Soviet Russia as a good thing cause the Oligarchs were also selling our country to the Japanese and there was a chance they would ceded territory for some money
>>181767
>>181855
vast majority of people wanted preservation of the Union

No. 181858

>>181762
Based
Even when I was an ignorant Hetard in my weeb teen years I hated America (the character) because I'm a 3rd worlder and hate the USA irl. And Russia has always been my favorite character lmao. So naturally I wasn't very fond of RusAme or AmeRus.
After becoming more politically literate and researching history seriously, it has become harder to tolerate Hetalia shipping and its retarded fans with surface-tier understanding of history. The fall of the Soviet Union is one of the shittiest things I've read about that have happened in recent history so of course seeing idiotic jokes and Hetalia fanart of it make me cringe.

No. 181859

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>>181858
I'm Rus anon, for me its fictional as long as its "history" in the proper sense(anything Pre-WW2) anything is inherently going to be problematic with Hetalia, I think countryhumans is probably worst example of this
They draw countries that were colonized as "femboy bottoms" to the colonizer nations, I hope I don't have to explain to you how messed up that is

No. 181860

>>181859
AYRT I actually think Hetalia is a bit less cringe in that respect than Countryhumans kek

No. 181861

>aph anons be having fun sperg on the thread
>anons from designated countries immediately get triggered
>hetalia is problematic again even on LC dot farm

aph anons should just discuss their headcanons in the spoilers next time though

No. 181863

>>181860
even the worst of Hetalia is better then all of countryhumans

No. 181865

>>181861
literally no one is saying is hetalia is problematic here though

No. 181866

>>181861
What we were talking about was a specific Hetalia ship. No one here said Hetalia itself is wrong or problematic or whatever, even if it is cringe-inducing. And even if you acknowledge it as such it doesn't necessarily have to stop you from liking it.

No. 181870

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Wow! Anyway, picrel is from hetalia musical nonas.

>>181758
Nona!! I hope we cross paths on whatever social media we're on then! Guess we have to talk about our hetalia headcanons in spoilers, ah i see, there's a wiki for the ship names huh? the ship names I've seen used are るべー/べーる 春待ち 露米/米露 冷战组 , usually I only see art based on hima's comics and designs of them. Perhaps it's the hetalia nostalgia, that makes me really like this ship lol maybe we shouldn't talk about this too much on here oof it's always nice seeing your replies though, i got ya back too nona <3

No. 181871

>>181861
ignore the commie russian shill

No. 181872

>>181871
not a commie but come on now, the end of the cold war disastrous for the entire world and destroyed our nation

No. 181876

>>181872
don't care, not fujo related

No. 181881

>>181872
LC users don't care about those things nona. It's useless to try to educate them on history, plus it's also against the rules iirc.
I would recommend a certain imageboard but last year it became an incel cesspool so I guess we have nowhere else to go to talk about this, lol.

>>181870
The wiki is the Pixiv dictionary, there are several lists for Hetalia stuff. This is the one for couples:
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ヘタリアのコンビタグ一覧
Though many of those articles do say that you gotta add "腐向け" to your search when it comes to yaoi ships if you want the ship stuff

No. 181883

>>181872
were you the same anon got evicted from your country for being a closest fujo >>170086

No. 181907

Sorry for sperg but I need to vent
>Be a part of a fandom discord for once
>The fandom has both waifus and husbandos
>Every time a fujo is talking about a male character they like a waifufag has to chime in to let everyone know how much they can't stand him and fujos have shit taste
>But if you ever dare to say anything unflattering about their waifus they'll sperg at you like you insulted their own mother
>Hetshippers act like victims because fujos are more active than they are in posting fanmade content and thus whine about wanting more straight ships
>Fujos liking effeminate boy characters is conflated to men drawing graphic porn of underage lolis
>"Big tits and revealing clothes on this oversexualized female character is empowering, claiming otherwise is literally slut shaming and saying that it's a character made for men is lesbophobic"
>Said to me, a gold star lesbian in a long-term relationship with a woman, by a heterosexual person
>Constant lowkey whining and passive aggressive projection about fujos being mean and intolerant
Why the fuck does this happen everywhere? This is exactly why I only hang around other fujos in my little echo chamber, I'll never join another retarded discord server ever again.

No. 181921

>>181907
i’ve said this before and i’ll say it again: hetshippers are pathetic because instead of creating fanart and fics of their favourite het ships they would rather spend their time bitching about fujos who actually dedicate their time effort and money into building vibrant fujo shipping/fan communities. i don’t know what they expect fujos to do, are we just supposed to create for free content for hetshippers? they need to get over themselves and realise that 99% of media is heterosexual and if that’s not enough and they need het fancreated content then they need to make it themselves instead of sitting on their asses and bitching at fujos for having passion and initiative

No. 181924

>>181907
I get you anon, the last two is how I feel about yume vs fujo thread too. I can tolerate pick-mes to a degree but that level of whining is just annoying to fujo to hear, especially older ones like us.

I guess chime in the sperg but it frustrates me when lesbian/bi fujo are being talked over and "you're actually attracted to men" kind of rhetoric is just sheer childish discourse you'd see on otaku forums in the 2000s.

Hope you can find other outlet for your fandom anon!

No. 181925

>>181907
sounds like a gacha fandom. genshin?

No. 181926

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No. 181932

>>181907
>joining a discord for a video game with waifus in it
>expecting it not to be dominated by the retarded aspiring grooming victims, aspiring groomer transbians, and other moids these waifu games attract
You should know better, anon

No. 181934


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>>170093
Not to derail with political spazzing but Fidel Castro’s niece (picrel) is a massive fag hag and he was alright with it



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