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Thread for when you're at your peak and need to vent, scream or sperg about troons, TRAs, or related topics but don't want to shit up or derail other threads.
In a world where women are shunned for standing up for themselves, banned from using the word "woman", have their prizes and scholarships given to men, get told to shut up and take the girldick, that their same-sex attraction is transphobic, that their kids should have their body parts cut off - it's hard to not go insane.
The fear of getting cancelled, fired or shunned by TRAs and friends around you is weighing heavily on a lot of us, lc is one of few refuges where we are allowed to be honest. So go on, scream into the void about troons all you want.
I think we should make terf
shiba a thing, dogs who are know to dislike men still don't like troons and it would make the anime avatar weeb troons seethe kek
I'd throw my money at a terf
indie studio so fast nona!
On the other hand, pandering to troons means they pay for your work, they are unknowingly giving their hard earned money to a terf
. If they knew they'd seethe kek
As an industry pro, do you think a game dev studio that doesn't pander to troons may secretly be against it? Given how hardcore everyone panders to virtue signal now when I see a small indie dev that is just 100% silent on the issue I get my hopes up a bit.
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shiba is our new queen
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all shibas are terfs, not just in plush form
I'm from Sweden so we are VERY embracing of sexualities, I honestly think there is no way gay people will lose any rights whatsoever because it's not even a hot topic here the way it is in other places.
The problem for the US (as I see it from here) is the homophobes are against "trans rights" exactly because they see it as gay (ironically a lot of trans people are trans because they're homophobic too). To them there's no difference to gay or trans, it's the same thing. So in a way they're right, that homophobic group would like to ban gay rights too.
Maybe I'm optimistic when I think that won't happen, but because the people peaking and actually seeing and pointing out issues with the trans ideology tend to be people who were in it themselves or who are victims
of it (like gay people) who are very much NOT homophobes I think it won't happen. I think trans stuff will be banned not because of the rights homophobes, but because the left got fed up and don't want to see more children hurt.
This whole time the trans ideology has been painting themselves as victims
of threats that don't actually exist, so I don't buy it.
I've had the same pipe dream of an indie radfem game studio and also an indie radfem animation studio too. troon wrath about a game or media can end up being a free advertising campaign - hogwarts legacy being the biggest example but there was some indie game (heartbeat) made by a lesbian radfem couple and troons crying about it caused tons of people to buy the game. >>15505
what's his name? I get the feeling his work probably dried up after trooning out because nobody wants to deal with working with a deranged troon male unless they have to
Honestly probably, at least in the US. I wouldn't say for sure since I haven't really experienced a studio like that but it's super easy to post about trans rights on social media so anyone who doesn't is just losing out on free woke points. Esp if they do post about women or LGB it seems likely? I've worked more in the AAA sphere of gamedev so I could be completely off the mark when it comes to indie politics.
I really cannot stand my residual TRA/gendie "friends" anymore. I'm losing patience. Any discussion if moderately difficult topics, from historical issues to modern politics, are met with nothing more than a pathetic, "oh no,,,". The stress and anxiety that comes with confronting the real world is far too much for them, it seems, despite these topics being things that affect people they claim to care about. All performative wokeness that lets them easily pat themselves on the back for doing the bare minimum of not being an outright bigot about issues. And so, it doubly enrages me when the only politically-tinged topics that recur are those of "trans wins" or witch hunts against TERFs who they all proudly say they've mass blocked as a group. Very mask off behavior. So when it comes to issues of systematic oppression on axes of economic class, nationality, and ethnicity, it's too much for you? It's too much for you to care about the basic frustrations of women or lesbians? But trans issues you have no issue "boldly" facing full-frontal? Ironic, considering how you assert that transphobia is so severe that simple misgendering kills. I hate you. I hate liberals, and I especially hate lily livered white, middle-class liberals who have never had to and will never have to confront issues of systematic and generational abuse.
Troonism is the entitled coward's fighting front. These fools crucify themselves for self-gratification and even their trauma in troonism is as handcrafted as they believe their bodies can be.
It becomes clearer ever day that transgenderism is just a fad. "This outfit is so gender" and such just means it's literally just a fashion statement for girls/fetish for males disguised as a revolutionary, rebellious thing.
Unfortunately it'll leave a lot of victims
of the medical industry but at least we can be sure it'll pass eventually.
>>15130> My four most important interests are populated by gendies. > All the terfs in this Latin American country are polilez who won’t hide their distaste for bisexuals
Are you Brazilian, by any chance? Almost any nerdish fandom here is infested with gendies or alt-right tradcels, and even shitty normie fanbases like Big Brother or pop divas are full of libfems and HSTSs.
And about the “gender critical” bubble from here, it's just a bunch of polilezzies, goldstars and TEHMs acting edgy together against the “BTQIAP+” and then stabbing each other in the back a short time later. They’re so retarded and cultist that’s even funny sometimes, like the fact that they discovered MacKinnon is pro-tranny just last week and are crying about it. I imagine they'll commit suicide if they discover Dworkin's views on incest and bestiality, lmao.>>7528> changed her name to Noah, despite being Latin American
There are several "Noah"s here, it must be one of the most common TIF names along with "Bernardo".
Get new friends nona. Perhaps do some light rants and make fun of people (acting like it's not them) who are just performative activists or who do the things they do, just make the target another group.
Like "I saw this gay gay who blocked all lesbians on sight saying they were triggering
him, isn't that immature? Who blocks an entire group of people just like that instead of being open to meaningful mature conversation, only an idiot would act like that, he should grow up". Not the best example, but basically take exactly what they're doing but pretend it's someone else doing it to another group and ridicule that behaviour. If it backfires and they disagree with you keep in mind that you can always pull out the trans card: "but this gay guy was actually doing it to trans lesbians, he's totally being transphobic" kek
I'm going to be real with you, thid would work on my normie friends who don't already have deeply entrenched views on the issue between a surface-level belief that trans rights = human rights. But none of this is really going to work on my terminally online gendie/TRA friends– they're not Pavlovian dogs, as much as I don't respect their opinions on this shit. They're not stupid, they're just staggeringly priviliged with a victim
complex from being trans, and you can never underestimate how far white troons will go with their mental gymnastics to believe they're in the moral highground. I wish it was as simple as a game of association, but it's not. I don't think even repeated and prolonged abuse from an actualy group of troons would peak these people.
I just need to leave.
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Trans didn't do shit until the '00 and they started to whine since gay marriage was legal since 2015. I swear if I hear another "is because of us that LGB rights were made"…
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I like those stories where the dog is "transphobic" because they bark to men and it hurts TIMs ego. No, bro, they just can see you're a dude.
I've been trying to slowly peak my TRA boyfriend over the past couple months and despite having to dance around the gendie topic a bit, I expressed some of my viewpoints surrounding it and he surprisingly seemed to understand and agree with what I said. However around the same time I noticed that he uses this browser extension called "Shinigami Eyes" (https://shinigami-eyes.github.io/
) that highlights whether a page online is transphobic or otherwise. I confronted him about it and what the criteria for "transphobia" was and of course it focuses mostly on feminists speaking up about their experiences as women.
What I don't understand is why the fuck doesn't something like this exist for other groups? Why isn't there one for general homophobia? Racism? ACTUAL Nazi shit? What about, and I may be asking for too much here, misogyny? Why is transphobia considered the worst thing on the planet now? Why are we virtually wrapping trannies up in protective bubblewrap? Fuck off.
I hope someday a talented radfem girly makes a browser extension that does this but for misogynists and anti-feminists specifically. Or if one already exists, please let me know where to get it.
Good luck with the peaking nona. Maybe that browser would be useful in finding terf
content to consume kek
The point of that extension is censorship, not protecting troon feelings. If a troon supporter inadvertently visits a terf
blog, chances are it will be logical and rational and empathetic, not the comically evil pseudo nazism trannies accuse us of. It might peak them and prove how full of shit TRAs are, a worst case scenario for troon ideology.
That doesn't apply the other way around. Homophobes, racists and misogynists are not going to convince people to 'switch sides', seeing their posts is more likely to convince you of how awful they truly are. Like, lots of women don't realise just how much men hate us so it would honestly benefit them to be exposed to what men really say about us. It wouldn't benefit feminists to hide that stuff since it can only prove their point.
That's great nona! You have a golden opportunity to peak her now. I would try to peak her further by focusing on mother-baby things like troons getting into support groups for female infertility (when they're perfectly able to get a woman pregnant) and how male drug induced nipple secretion isn't in any way benefital for a baby and the men are doing it as a lactation and feeding fetish that the baby can't consent to. Imagine growing up and being told you as a baby were forced to suck a mans (who's probably your legal guardian) nipples, the absolute violation it would feel like even if you had no memories of it.
Maybe even share some screenshots of drag queens reading for little kids getting caught for pedophilia again and again… yet no pro-troon person is saying anything about it, surely if they wanted to keep kids safe they'd throw out the pedos the second they find out, but no they just let them keep going and pretend it deosn't happen. Or like reddit did, banned the word "groomer" so victims
can't speak up at all and the pedos are protected.
I don't know how old her baby is, but you could also point out that mothers are claiming their kids are trans almost right after birth, but certainly at 2-3 years old. Does that make sense to someone who has a baby on her own?
But also focus on how you think people who are pro-trans aren't all super evil and that most of them have just been mislead by lies and had good intentions at the start, so she doesn't have to think her TRA friend is evil - just ignorant and mislead.
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anyone else notice the gradual shift from male/female and man/woman to "masculine" and "feminine"? why do trannies have to drag us all backwards
My cousin has gotten really in to gender stuff and it's driving me nuts, I know that MtF trannies are a million times worse but dear god I've wanted to bash my brains out being around my cousin all week. She's trans non binary (Tif) or whatever, and she frequently brings it up every five seconds, and is constantly on facetime with a genderspecial goblin who is also just a Tif. It's mostly just irritating when she gets on a roll of talking about this stuff, it's pretty clear she wants me to acknowledge it but I've been ignoring it and instead continue talking about whatever is actually on-topic. I had to listen to her and the goblin friend (who is autistic) rant about a coworker who is "totally transphobic" despite that coworker ALSO BEING GENDERSPECIAL AND CLEARLY AUTISTIC. I do not understand their gender rivalries with each other. They are all exactly the same, middle class girls who work at starbucks and have various mental illnesses and nothing better to do than compete with each other over who can invent the most family trauma from their parents asking them to pay their phone bills.
It's so sad to see what she's become, she's genuinely hostile and kind of aggressive. She immediately snaps at people and constantly complains, it's easiest to just say "okay" and move on so she doesn't have a meltdown. She has a therapist but it sounds like it's the kind that enables all this. The one funny thing though is that she constantly has freudian slips, she'll call the goblin friend by female pronouns and she referred to herself today as a woman rather than a nonbinary transfemme whatever.
On a separate note I live very close to San Francisco and am regularly there, the entirety of Mission District is a cesspool of trans shit. Yesterday I saw a really ugly one in an empanada place. He had purple hair and terrible fashion and looked like a man because he was a man. 'Ate troons, 'ate San Francisco, love me cousin and wish she'd go back to normal
I think ignoring her is the way to go. Just minimum politeness so it's not obvious. It's better than having a male troon around but you could still take note of all the bad things she's doing and when, if possible take pics without her noticing (like if she refuses to clean up or keeps making a mess or something so you have it documented). Note down annoying troon friends she brings over too.
And big warning if she's a testosterone taking tif - if it's T-gel it could transfer over to you and give you health issues from skin touch (goes through clothes) so in that case don't get close to her at all. It's a personal question to ask if it's gel specifically rather than injections or whatnot, so I'd just make sure to not touch her or her clothes if she has the T changes of facial hair and froggy voice and so on just to be safe. Also don't sit in a sofa she's been in or such as well. Don't let her touch your stuff either.
It's because of a few things.
First and foremost; transgender is mostly just a fashion trend and after a while the new people want to change it up to make it feel like their own thing, while essentially doing the same thing. Just like how it used to be all about "style", then "aesthetics" and then people moved on to "core". Same meaning, different words.
Secondly, it's "safer" and protects them against backlash. Wearing a suit once doesn't make a girl a boy but she can still claim it makes her more masculine without anyone being able to really disagree. And she still gets to be a cool oppressed trans kid becuse she's actually transmasc and not boring old cis.
But the worst part is medical practitioners are pushing it to protect themselves.
I heard GC medical people talk about it recently, how it's shifted from "treat horrible gender dysphoria" to "realize and affrim their gender goals". Meaning if you send an obvious delusional autist into having her breast removed and she later detransitions because it didn't help and now wants to sue - she no longer can, because they never claimed it was to "fix dysphoria", they only claimed to help her reach her goal of looking masculine and now she looks more masculine so she can't complain.
I also think they've started to notice people are peaking and are realizing you can't turn a man into a woman - but you CAN turn him feminine so if they focus on that part the pesky terfs can't complain and transwomen get to be seen as legit women if it's all about feminine gender steretypes. Anything to make it not be about sex and biology.
Maybe dropping little not so subtle hints like "you used to be so happy and nice before the trans stuff now all you do is complain"
I've actually considered going to a therapist despite being in a good place mentally to complain about trans stuff just to see how they react. I know how to argue gender critical points for myself if they try to call me transphobic kek At the very least it would give them the perspective of having met someone negatively impacted by trans ideology.
I've also considered doing it as an experiment to see if they affirm me immediatedly if I come in as a undercover "cis" person saying I think I might be trans and then bringing up the fact that I was an autistic tomboy as a kid and making sure to mention all my would be red flags to see if they take any kind of note of it. See how far I could push it without having to make things up and without lying or acting, like would me saying "I just want to escape sexism" make them react? But I think it would be more useful if a journalist did it. Then again it would be interesting if a whole bunch of people did it to different therapists and they all were pushed to transition and we could use it as proof that "gender affirmation" has always been a scam and not therapy.
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Looking up tips on any kind of storytelling, or what mistakes to avoid always now results in them smugly spitting out "don't forget to add gender representation, and if you're trying to justify an all cis white setting you're RACIST and a TRANSPHOBIC BIGOT you piece of trash". Why the fuck are they all advocating for tokenized representaion just for the sake of it? It's so gross to force yourself to write in a gender special themby or racial minority just for the sake of feeling progressive. And why exactly do I need to write in transwomen and transmen, you're saying they don't feel representated by regular men and women, huh? Now why could that be…
I've honestly at no point in my life even been bothered by an all male cast in a game, book or movie. Nor have I ever been bothered by an all non-white cast. A good story is a good story, I do not need to see myself represented at all.
And I'm not going to write in a gender confused themby just so I can confused people with the shitty use of pronouns. I think it's a lot safer to fully leave out all transness than to even try to please the trans crowd, if they think you're "on their side" they expect you to 100% submit to their every whim. And it's just going to age like milk and you'll forever have it in your finished work that you were simping for the child-castrating side of history. People studying your work in the future will have to do a little section of "this author/creator had problematic views that we have now outgrown as a society".
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I remember in the past that I believed the "true trans" and now I wonder if there really was a person who, before surrendering to the transition, tried to live in another way or to find a solution that alleviates their "dysphoria"
Even if an extremely small minority benefit more than they're harmed by trans medicalization (which is a metric fuckton and a burden on society and themselves and everyone who cares for them) that still doesn't actually make them change sex in any way shape or form.
I don't think there is ethical "trans care" that plays into the delusion at all. Every medical provider of surgery and hrt should be legally bound to tell their clients they can't change their sex, only their appearance. I think for those extremely few that are helped they're all old school trans who know they aren't ever going to change sex and are freely able to state so out loud and in public. Naturally they'd also use the correctly sexed spaces, and if they choose to appear in such a way that other members of their sex could be a threat to them then it's on them to find a solution for it. Like finding an alternative unisex bathroom. That's a struggle they chose to have.
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These shirt should be read as "A person with homophobia is an angel without wings".
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trannies just drag us all back man. not looking forward to the barbie movie releasing because every libfem and troon i know is SO hype for more "femme" content huehue. fuck off retards
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Not a vent but the opposite really, but recent tweets like this give me so much hope
Basically what I've noticed is that non trannies were just tolerating them because they thought trannies were just "born that way" like gay people, but the extreme misogyny and mental illness plus the contradictory statements made by trannies themselves are making normal zoomers really tired. The only people who really hated jkr were tras themselves. The vast majority of zoomers still like Harry Potter. Most zoomers (if they aren't misogynistic moids) are fairly supportive of lgb, but ive noticed that trannies make them annoyed. From disrespecting female athletics to being the porn poisoned boys they avoid in school, many of my normie classmates from highschool and in college are becoming increasingly put off by trannies. Actual gay zoomers (like me) are getting tired of spicy straights and bihets telling us we need to fuck trannies. Back when I had Tumblr more then a few of my lesbian mutuals just paid lip service to trannies on main while they complained about them on their terf
sideblogs. Its not a tide turning but more like finally telling the spoiled kids no
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The world is healing
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The more people see how trans people really act the more they peak
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I think so yes! Just like how hipsters were genuinely seen as cool for a few years but then became incredibly cringe until the trend died out, transtrending is getting old and unfashionable, and half of the people they meet who are trans are either awkward autist girls or coomer males, they're simply not cool people you want to be like.
There's also that restaurant saying that goes something like: "one happy customer might tell one other person about it if you're lucky, but an unhappy customer will tell everyone they know how shit the food was". Detrans people are increasing every day, and every one of them permanently peaks more people and exposes the industry. Once you've found out the gender wizard of Oz is a fraud you can't unpeak from the knowledge.
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sorry if I spam terf shiba memes, I meant to only make one but it's so cathartic and I get to look at cute dog pics
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here are some replies if other nonas are curious
Not Brazilian but we’re neighbors down the south!
What you describe sounds very similar to what we have here, actually. It’s funny how the more internet access a South American country has, the higher the chance for pronoun fads and muh misgendering panic attack, such non issues that didn’t even have a name a couple of years ago, and now we have to revolve society around them.> . I imagine they'll commit suicide if they discover Dworkin's views on incest and bestiality, lmao.
, true that. You’re right on the backstabbing tendencies. It feels kinda weird to see gendies destroying each other in one hand over petty flag discourse, and in then the other extreme, a handful of pollilezzies holding each other by the throat over gold starness when 99% are likely just traumatized hets. I do feel like Im losing my mind sometimes.
I 100% think Michelle McDaniels is a terf
, but in the normie way. I don't think she'd go on lc or anything, but she's already said pronouns are hard and silly and refuses to back down even when called out on misgendering. She's the kind of person that sees troon stuff and goes "lol no that's fucking dumb" and then goes on with her day. For troons that's the worst kind because she takes no bs and won't try to cater to them in an effort to be nice, they've got nothing on her.
I think because she's black and muscular she's probably been called manly enough time by troons that she rolls her eyes at them by default, she was never under the illusion that they're all "uwu innocent lil' beans that can do no harm to their fellow girlies".
Love that he kept the misgendering in the video, even pointed it out with a quick "oopsie sorry", and that his audience is edgy enough that no one gives a shit. It almost felt like a subtle message saying "look we misgendered him because we don't see him as a female and we're still not getting cancelled". As if he's testing the waters and showing others that it's fine.
I really hope it stays that way and he doesn't have to grovel at troons feet and beg for their forgiveness in a week. We need more people to just ignore the troon tantrums. It almost makes me feel like his videos are a safe space knowing I won't be burned at the stake for being a terf
I recently heard someone say about their own teen children that they were perfectly fine using pronouns for their trans classmates, however they didn't feel comfortable at all actually refering to them as the wrong sex. So basically in their mind they think "some boys go by she/her, I just have to remember to use it for those boys" rather than "that person is a girl, therefor I should use she/her", and the same for girls going by he/him or anyone going by they/them. It's funny to me that after all that preaching these kids still just see it as "some people use the wrong pronouns" and it changes nothing about how they actually view them.
I know it's a vent thread but I would LOVE it if more nonas posted little wins like this they come across, it gives me so much hope to see people peaking
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Stolen from another thread, but this is fucking hilarious. "Cis is a slur" has been a thing for years already so fair game really
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Nonas what is the most stupid/silly thing you used to believe about troons before peaking?
I'll go first I thought that study about "trans brains are closer to the other sex's brain than their own" was true because I saw it on tumblr. Of course I was maybe 15 and didn't know how to read a scientific study correctly in the first place, I never tried to read it myself and just let tumblr groom me into thinking it was legit valid proof because "surely someone has read it and is being truthful about it". Jesus was I naive and gullible. I don't think anyone in my tumblr circles had actually read it lmao
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I didn't think they were real women but I believed they always existed through out history, but the more I actually read about them, I realized it was all just young boys being raped in misognystic societies and eunuch administrators or priests
I hate the "born into the wrong body" talk. It is deeply disturbing that "gender dysphoria" is treated with hormonal injections and surgeries. These procedures are supposed to alter your body closer the shape your mentally ill mind wants it to be. Which is so, so wild to me.
Why is this so widely accepted? Shouldn't we be teaching kids to accept and keep healthy the bodies they were born with? If you look in the mirror and have suicidal ideation because you can't stand the shape of your body, the solution should be therapy that gives you tools for self-acceptance.
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Now every troon is saying "Cis has never been a slur", but they love to ignore picrel or any merch saying "die cis scum".
The trans movement has always been pushing for "misgendering" being bad, to the point that many of them want it to be illegal. Yet from day 1 people who do not believe in gender ideology or that they don't have a gender and do not identify with "cis" (which if anything would make them "agender" according to the ideology) are ridiculed and told they are wrong about their own gender identity. It doesn't add up. Calling someone who doesn't identify as cis by that word is no different than calling a transwoman a man, by their own rules and logic.
Either misgendering is an awful act of violence and hatred, or it's not. So which one is it?
>>15892>Then someone else mentioned my name followed by "would you date a trans man. One with a vagina."Oof
, definitely sounds like they were trying to get you to confess your sins. But if no one else said anything it kind of sounds like the troon alone was attacking you, and perhaps some of the others also thought it was a rude comment. If you're close to any of them you could test the waters by venting in private that it was such a weird and gross private question to ask out of the blue, especially in front of a group of people. You don't have to bring up transphobia, it would be equally gross if someone started asking how much you'd want to date guy because they have dicks.
Next time you should defend yourself by saying something similar in front of everyone, point out that it's a personal sexual question and not at all appropriate in this setting. Don't let him get away with doing shit like this.
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a jfashion wearing tif I stumbled across on tumblr is forced to detrans because being on t basically almost killed her. she had to get a hysterectomy too because of what seems to be issues caused by t. this is depressing - a mentally ill misfit girl going through puberty has body dysmorphia, develops an eating disorder, has medical professionals convince her to troon out over the course of many months, and the complications from the hormones have caused her so much suffering. why is this shit being encouraged? attached link for anyone who wants to read. I genuinely feel bad for her. https://vaulted-ceiling-painted-sky.tumblr.com/post/712067280608034816/im-making-a-major-life-change-im
To be fair, cardiovascular issues don't happen to all trannies. There's just a significant probability.
Vaginal atrophy, however… Yeah. I know some trannies apply estrogen cream to keep the vay jay working, but I don't know if the method is viable long-term and/or if it causes more complications down the line.
Doctors and trannies themselves need to be upfront about that shit.
I'm apart of a group of artists in a small, nearly dead fandom on discord. When gender ideology swept the lands, over half of them went and trooned out or gender specialed themselves.
Okay, whatever. It's not like I'm super close to them. I'm just there for fanart. Because it's so unavoidable in this group, I talked to at least one TIM very casually. This TIM considers me a friend, but I just am friendly, so it's not mutual. They have a super temper like most moids, but it's not directed at me so I don't think about it.
Christ was I wrong about that. Don't be like me and even talk to trannies. I am serious.
Just two days ago, he suddenly sends me a flurry of discord DMs. Apparently he was broke, no job, living with his black boyfriend in one of his mother's properties (squatting it?) and he just had a huge screaming fight with her on the phone. The mother is religious and her husband died, so she needs the money from these properties she inherited to sell. Out of her good graces, she was letting her trooned out son and his fucking boyfriend live there, despite it being against everything she believed in. What a kind fucking mother to put up with all of that when her worthless troon clearly doesn't even care about her, or if she lives or dies.
So the mother gives him 60 days to move out. That's pretty generous considering what happened. He posts the e-mail she sent. She doesn't curse, she is patient in it, and it ends gently on a Bible verse.
In contrast, he is full, high testosterone seething and ranting at her in his e-mail and it's x3 as long. He admits he just screamed and abusively railed at her on the phone, calling her a religious bigot and saying she is a stupid monster. He then has the audacity to say he's abused and he's the victim
. He does not have any capacity to see what a loving parent she's been to him.
He messages me at 2 am, saying he's having nightmares about this because he and his bf are going to be homeless. Then he messages me again an hour later saying the same thing. All trannies are in a mindset of self-harm. All of them. You treat them like crazy cutters and severely mentally unstable individuals, even if they can put up a face of "normalcy" sometimes. It's like watching someone shoot themselves in the foot, then cry and rage they're bleeding everywhere, blaming other people for their actions.
I was always "peaked", never liked these self-harming crossdressers. However, I have never been openly GC. I feel as though I've "peaked" in a different way, where I now know need to be openly radfem and GC. I have no tolerance for this.
I feel you in some way nona, I'm a part of a niche hobby that's 99% female and infested with handmaidenry and virtue signaling to the point where I frequently consider disengaging with the community aspect, although I can never bring myself to do it owing to its community-driven nature.
A few mid-sized, not insignificant creators did do sponsored content with Hogwarts Legacy, though, so there is marginal hope that not all of them buy into gender ideology.
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Not sure about the pink color, but purple, white, and green are suffragette colors.
I'm so fucking mad right now. Just saw a promo for a tranny film that's going to be released in my country, about an indigenous """""third gender""""" (effeminate gay men who take on feminine gender roles, as usual) and they even mentioned that retarded excuse about "third genders" being the same as trans and existing before colonization, because that makes it sound more legitimate and not just an imported gringo thing. Of course they existed before colonization, you retards. Retarded and restrictive gender roles have existed for millennia, women have been treated as subhumans for millennia, men have been forbidden from "acting like women" and vice-versa for millennia.
It's so crazy seeing this insanity unfold on my own TV screen. I always thought it would be contained to the US. I can't believe people here are so indifferent to it and just let it happen because they think supporting trannies and gender ideology is a good harmless thing. They think it's just people wanting to crossdress.
The saddest part about all this is that it's never going to pass. It's only gonna get worse or we'll just go back to the status quo of society never actually challenging gender roles and sexism which are the whole reason both "third genders" and troons are a thing. A lot of people are fed up with tranny shit but they don't think about the actual reasons this is happening, they just think it's "wrong" for a man to be effeminate and for a woman to be masculine, or they think it's wrong for either to pretend they're the opposite sex, that's the deepest reasoning people have for being against transgenderism. When this troon era ends it's NOT gonna get much better, especially for women. Seeing that ad on my TV has made me so depressed. I don't even know how to tell people here what's wrong with it. These TRAs have the resources to advertise this lunacy as they please, I'm just a random woman with few friends and contacts.
Maybe it's because I'm an American, but don't worry too much about it. It's scary, but not the end of the world. The trans movement has a short lifespan. Maybe 15 years tops, but people can refuse it in about 7 years if they're smart and are watchful. Not sure what country you're in or the culture there. If it's very traditional and conservative it's not going to go far or spread very quickly.
What will happen, is first it'll be unleashed and people will not even know what it is. They'll just think it's an LGB person thing. If it gains any traction it'll start to grow and sadly that's when the victims
pile up, after a short period, maybe 5-7 years, normies start to really catch on. People start talking when their daughters want to cut off their breasts or their sons are suddenly being groomed. Once it becomes public knowledge, there will be massive backlash. You'll see upheaval unlike you've ever seen before and very publicly too. People are unironically threatening to blow up Target or any corporation that dares to have a trans logo. It's getting very serious. All of America is aware it's a form of child grooming and preying on mentally ill and autistic people now.
I know it sounds bad, but it's ironically dying here, so it's spreading around the world before it dies off, like some kind of cancer. Everyone knows what it is now in America and is super hostile to the mere mention of trans. I just was talking to a boy at college who was leftist, but was anti-trans for example and was just open in casual conversation about being against it. That never used to happen here.
What you can do is start telling everyone you know about it really early so they are equipped to deal with the insanity and push it back. Showing the medical gore of trans people and detrans stories is very effective. It's the only way.
Thank you nonna, that really helped calm me down. Knowing that the tranny phenomenon is going to die down in a few years is relieving. My main concern now, though, is that this could cause the wrong kind of reaction, a right-wing backlash. I hope that doesn't happen or doesn't get too bad, probably not.
And I have actually tried to talk about it with my parents first, but my mom just thinks I'm worrying too much, and my dad just took that chance to reveal his homophobia, missing the entire point of what I was saying. So now I feel like I have no one in real life to talk about this with.
I knew a couple of therapists who helped me when I was younger, one woman who helped me in high school with my self-esteem, and seemed to be critical of porn and to realize how it affects girls, and a man who helped me get over my own gender confusion (he made me accept that I can be a woman and not be feminine, among other things). I wonder if I could schedule an appointment with either of them, or even casually chat with them. I wonder if the female therapist has become a supporter of gender ideology or if she is critical of it, I know tranny propaganda is aggressively targeting medical institutions and the medical community, especially in the field of psychology.
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>>15924>Would cheer me up to see more Terf Shibe memes if anyone has em.
Ask and thou shall receive
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>>15947>wtf, this is true
Males are mentally impaired, istg.
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Thanks, nona. Your post really made me feel a lot better. You're basically the only one who's consoled me on any of it and only people here know my true thoughts on it. I feel like that's the space a lot of us are in with the current climate. I hope that can one day change when I'm open as gender critical.
It's really scary to be woken up to strange 3AM discord alerts to a mentally disturbed troon screaming about his own problems, especially when you have other friends you'd worry those messages are from. Apparently he has threatened to go kill himself in front of his mother and he's suspiciously offline. Like all of them, he suicide baits. I am avoiding appearing online on discord because of it. I'm just a really sensitive person and I didn't deserve such a sudden trauma dump. Nobody does. Who cares about my feelings on it, right? I'm sure that fan group is consoling him too lol. I might just stop talking to all the people in that tiny fandom, but I don't know what to do. Just collecting myself atm.
I just have my nerves shot between having to deal with judgmental relatives for the upcoming holidays in America and I did not need that from him or literally anyone.
You ever notice men and especially TIM troons never ask or question how real women are doing? No "hey, how are you? Can I talk to you about something personal?" I fucking loathe men who do anything remotely close to that. I am not his "mommy", "girlfriend", or even friend and I hate men who unload their personal baggage.
It just shows you how completely narcissistic and self centered trannies are. Also, I am sorry your community is full of handmaidens. I am starting to wonder if the best cure for handmaidens is just to be the first to be openly gender critical. I think a lot of women close to peaking or have quietly peaked will follow you. If they all hate you, then you should actually double down. That is at least the idea I am getting.
I genuinely hope you find peace in your fandom and if you don't, you find one better for you. Here is also a highly artifacted meme I made for you and as thanks. It's been through the washer and dyer three times, but I still find it to be good.
late and incoming long blogpost, but i graduated high school not too long ago, and i can say from experience in a majority black/hispanic area that most nonwhite normies especially have started openly trashing on troons in many ways. there was a TIM teacher who looked ugly as fuck—pale scraggly hair with a huge bald spot, massive adams apple and a tall, lanky frame, etc etc—and girls openly made fun of "her" to ""her"" face by the time i was a senior kek.
on the non-normie side, even my gendie friends/acquaintances thought things like the hogwarts legacy boycott were retarded. although one TIF did say something about how "sad" it made her that the person who made a series she loved "wanted her dead" which nobody in the group responded to lol.
but overall, i do get the feeling that most normies especially think it's all fucking stupid. the one GSA meeting i went to was full of extremely autistic white girls, with like 2 token hispanic she/theys and one TIM. half the meeting was cringe icebreakers where they said incredibly embarrassing things about themselves, but when it came time to discuss their "bad experiences" they cited being made fun of by other girls for being gendies, which even at the time (still not fully peaked) seemed silly to me.
i wouldn't say the youth are necessarily peaking, but i also think the number of zoomers who genuinely believe in the shit we see on twitter/tumblr irl are extremely limited in the majority of working class communities. i'm going to a more white & upper class college in the fall, and even from orientation alone i saw WAY more gendie shit than would ever have been tolerated at my high school, including calling women "womxn" and only addressing everyone with "y'all" to be inclusive. but even the latter was called into question by a black girl in my smaller orientation group later in the day, which everyone agreed was silly and unnerving. in the end normies truly do hold the line
samefag as above, but here's my troon vent for the day.
one of my friends for the past 13+ years (kindergarten to now) trooned out a year or two ago and has recently tried extra hard to be the "celtic forest goddess" of his dreams. shit like dying his hair red, wearing a flower crown and hideous green lipstick to prom, the whole nine yards. the dress was also bought from amazon, of course.
in any case, he recently had a get together with some other old friends because he's leaving to another state for college, and we were nightswimming, so obviously all were wearing swimsuits with coverup shirts and such. unfortunately neither the suit top nor t-shirt he wore covered up the disgusting pokey nipples of his fake rubber tits, so we had to see them all night. and because he has no idea how to actually wear womens' clothes, they were hanging low and close together like a strange inhuman uniboob. the goodbye hug at the end sent a genuine shiver down my spine feeling them on my chest, eugh. as did the patronizing high-pitched voice he put on.
but even with all that, i got home and had to fight back tears, because this was my friend of 13 years. he's done some weird shit in the past, sure, but mostly in the autistic socially unaware way. i never could have expected the hard AGP pivot. what was once a good friendship grew into a strained one, where i was the token "woman" to ask for fashion advice or to alter/mend his shitty amazon finds. i'm trying to look on the bright side, but 13 years down the drain hurts no matter what. i shouldn't have to look forward to an old friend leaving just so i don't have to hear as many weird comments about women.
>>15951>Apparently he has threatened to go kill himself in front of his mother and he's suspiciously offline. Like all of them, he suicide baits. I am avoiding appearing online on discord because of it.
Don't just accept it nona, tell a discord mod in private that you think it's manipulative and unacceptable behaviour and that rules have to be made about it.
Arguments to use for anyone in this situation:>it's extreme emotional blackmail to post about wanting to commit suicide or to trauma dump>if for no other reason, it can be "triggering" to others who are stuggling>it's not on anyone else to fix "her" problems>the ONLY thing that can and should be done is for the person to go to the mental health ER, immediately. No one in the discord can do anything about that anyway (assuming no one knows each other in person)>if there are minors around, who in their right mind would think putting someone's suicidal behaviour on kids is ok? doesn't matter if the troon in question is a teen too, the end result is still the same>it's making people want to leave the group because of how uncomfortable it makes them
If the mods refuse to implement rules against suicide baiting and trauma dumping then prepare a public statement saying you asked the mods for exactly that and they refused, and as a result you feel this discord isn't safe and you feel you can't be part of it anymore and will therefor leave at the end of the day. This gives people time to say goodbye or for you to keep people's contact info outside of the discord.
If you're lucky the troon will feel called out and be upset enough to leave the discord (I've seen it happen several times kek). Other people who agree with you may come forward. If people think it's stupid and are against you, then you only have more reason to leave anyway.
Even when you can't call out troons directly you can target their behaviours and make sure to signal it's not fucking ok. Don't let them get away with things.
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So this a scene from the 1999 indie-produced lesbian comedy film 'Better Than Chocolate,' which explores the queer scene in Vancouver, so it seems like academic libfems have been always like this.
I hate troon fake high voices so much. This scene is retarded qnd trying too hard to paint troons as victims
. And they even attack the based woman physically for daring to stand up to the troon. Almsot as if they're saying "accept us or you'll be punished" which isn't a good look but to them it is kek. When in reality if this happened, the troon would beat the woman on his own and won't need anyone to save him because he's a man with a bigger stronger body. And people would probably still stand against the woman who is the real victim
Epic win nona! >she commented about the obvious minors/childen wearing asexual pride pins. She said it was silly, because kids naturally aren't suppose to be think about sex or sexuality at that age
I even see many adult women call themselves ace now because of the "sexual liberation of women" with constant insta-thot and onlyfans culture has made women think we should actually all be hypersexual at all times, that it's normal and healthy and women have just always been supressed and not allowed to be the super wild sexual degenerates men were allowed to be all along. It just wasn't ever true, women have a lower libido than men on average, which makes full sense given how our bodies works when it comes to pregnancy and periods. It's not abnormal to not be that into sex, or only into it like one day of your period cycle, or only with the right person. Those are all SO fucking common for women. But of course troons come along and act like the slutty degenerates they want women to be and act like that makes them the real females, and the real women are some weird abnormal asexual variation of women. And the only women who call themselves ace are woke by default and therefor have to accept that they're now a queer minority.
Reading this made me think back to when I had sex for the first time, and I was really unimpressed by it. I was a late bloomer and mostly just had it with my then boyfriend because I was tired of being the token virgin in my friend groups (I was about to turn 18, my friends were roughly the same ages). When I brought up to my friends how I just couldn't understand how something this meh could lead people to cheat on each other, break promises and whatnot, their immediate response was "maybe you're just into some specific kinks and don't know it yet?" and sent me links to different kink forums. When I didn't seem too keen on the idea they started pushing that I might be asexual and wouldn't leave it alone until I went along with it just to make them STFU.
This was in the late 2000's. This shitshow has been brewing for decades, it's just even more in the open today.
An update on this if anyone cares kek >>15892
I did what >>15894
said and decided to ask someone I'm closest with in the chat and she agreed it was a really random question. She told me she thought it was a "tricky situation" that made the chat feel really awkward. It felt like a pretty guarded convo with her at first because no one wants to admit to potential terf
crimes kek but we did both agree that being into TiFs something simply not for us. She told me that she later pm'd the HSTS that she thinks some women will be into both men with dicks and men with vaginas but that she herself is not one of those women. She said he responded that he understands and so far the chat has gone back to regular husbando posting. I still don't know why he even asked. Maybe he got rejected irl and wanted to take it out on some women he knew idek. I do wish I was stronger and could stand up for myself as usual
I've been encountering so much troons these days, all of them being tims, it's really starting to take off where I live I guess. I don't think I've seen a single tif lately, but it might be that I just register them as lesbians or gnc women. I had met some troons before, mostly the young drug fueled hsts kind, but seeing all those old transvestite living their fetish in broad daylight is unnerving, especially in places where I thought they would not appear.
The other day I was at a very specific seminar related to religious studies, and didn't notice him at first.
In the afternoon some people left and the organizer made a comment about how we were now between women; that's when I scoured the room and noticed that the very fat long haired person in front of me was actually a tim. Since he was fat and old he "passed" as a very ugly looking woman to an untrained eye, but the hands, jaw, unisex name and weird tone were a dead giveaway. I tried to ignore him, and I don't know if he was emboldened by the fact that no one seemed to have cloacked him, but he kept turning around and staring with a dead eyed serial killer look that contrasted so much with the cutesy soft voice he was parroting earlier. Fortunately I didn't have to engage with him but this moment really peaked me even more. I've seen a ton of even more disturbing looking, depraved perverted transvestites on here, and this one was dressed normally at least. It may sound dramatic but I just had that gut feeling of uneasyness and unsafeness, that I don't usually have when I pass by troons (I usually just pity or mock them) : I really felt the saying "a wolf in sheep's clothes" and was disturbed by this encounter. I feel so sorry for women who have to spend time and interact with tims, mainly those clearly predatory agps, because of their work or studies, and especially in countries where you cannot express any critical view against them.
This whole situation feels like overreacting, but his presence alone made everything "click" in my head. Has anyone else experienced that ? I still don't want to be hateful, but it really dawned on me that I had to be more courageous, peak everyone around me and fight so that those kind of people are not normalized and don't end up teaching my kid or using women washrooms. It's hard being outspoken about this issue in the academic world, but thankfully my country isn't brainwashed like North America.
you mean rape>genital preference being "totes valid!"
because it is, it's a retarded phrase but saying it IS valid
is a workaround to not offend twans and woke people while still allowing gay people to be gay (and for straights to not date trans people either), it's bad when they say it's NOT valid
because that's massively homophobic and predatory
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2 zoomers in my personal life told me they hate trannies. they even said “trannies” too
>>16015>2 zoomers in my personal life told me they hate trannies.
I'm so glad zoomers are starting to switch lanes because they have to share spaces with so many narc troons
and at the same time millennials who are finally having kids of their own switch when they realize their little toddler can't tell a dinosaur from a cat and can't possibly know what gender roles mean at that age and that "Lilith" with the beard was a bit too excited about teaching your baby girl about inserting tampons with a bulge visible through his skirt.
no i don't have the time and energy to post them in several places (that i don't even use tbh) but I highly encourage everyone to steal and post them everywhere and making their own terf
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This is going to be a fucking blogpost, I'm sorry but this is the only place I have to scream into. (and if you saw this appended to the old thread… no you didn't.) I don't know how to handle this. I really don't.
It's not my girlfriend who I'm worried will end up going down the transition tubes on a neverending dragon chase. It's her best friend since childhood. This is a woman who blacks out the nonbinary stereotype bingo card: shitty home life as a kid, got stuck as the caretaker for a family member as a young adult, hit puberty early and started getting the typical sexist bullshit just as early, bi but convinced it's not queer enough, genuinely highly intelligent but not emotionally intelligent enough to realize being arrogant about that alienates people, was a self-described Mom Friend up until gender started happening, short and overweight with a mid-90s dyke aesthetic, pursuing a career in STEM-adjacent things without grad school, loses her shit about misgendering to her friends but also won't correct people when they say "she" and not "they" at a goddamn renaissance festival (AKA possibly the safest place outside a trans event to get practice in doing that), has started to refuse to show up to my gal's family gatherings because Granny has dementia and will call her a nice young lady and Fellow-Nerd-Girl Cousin will ask naively and bluntly what's bothering her when she does the flinch-then-scowl routine, uses "they" and "she" but without explaining who has the rights to use which and when and where… you get the picture. Let's call her Tiffany for now, I need a name because too many female pronouns makes the story confusing and like hell am I using "they" while posting here.
This is someone my love called her sister and meant it, who moved in with her family for several years. She genuinely cares about her, and so does her mom, but only she knows why Tiffany isn't coming around as much anymore. She brushes it off with "she's busy with work" when her mom asks, and she's obviously trying not to be hurt by this, but… I can tell she is. Worse, it's obvious that she's hurt by how much of Tiffany's life now revolves around Being Trans and Being On The Right Side Of History. Those are apparently the major foci of conversation when they do talk, now, as opposed to things like the hobbies they (used to) share or how both of their lives are going. It's to the point where it really seems like she avoids talking about Tiffany, now, but when we first got together she'd be mentioned as much as anyone else's close family would.
The way she just curled up in her chair, withdrawing physically from the conversation when her mother asked if Tiffany would be coming over for dinner too or not… it hurt to see. She'd admitted to me separately that they'd been talking less over the past few months, and that it's only partly because of how exhausted Tiffany has been due to work and her own third-shift hours.
I'm worried that she's lost her sister to the cult, and I don't know how to help her grieve for that relationship when the time comes where it is irrevocably severed. We're not SUPPOSED to mourn when someone's "true self" is a self-absorbed asshole who cares more about being right than being a good friend, and we're not SUPPOSED to be hurt if we end up discarded along with a previous identity, but what the fuck else can anyone do in a situation like that?
>>16039>She brushes it off with "she's busy with work" when her mom asks
Why though? She should tell the mom exactly what is going on and her concerns about it. The more people who peak and understand what is going on is better for society and for the individuals harmed. It would help to have her mom know about the literal cult mindset these people have and that bringing it up to Tiffany would only push her away further. If she can't save Tiffany she can at least get a bigger support group who understands.
If/when it all finally falls through it might help to let Tiffany know it's ok if she ever detransitions. In the moment she'll feel offended and enraged which is why I suggest doing it if/when the relationship has already gotten pretty "bad", but years down the line in the future when she realizes it was all a mistake she'll remember it and might eventually reach out.
Unfortunately yes, although the colors are pastel in comparison. But I'm pretty sure it's well-known on twitter as a terf
thing when you use the colored hearts in your username
This may be an odd complaint but I hate it when genderspecials use fish or animals changing sex as some kind of proof for humans being able to change sex. Because no, the fish didn't change from one sex another, it was always both. The thing that happens for those fish is that only the characteristics of one sex are "active" at one time. It produces sperm for a while and then as it ages switches over to produce eggs, both happening naturally as intended by nature in the body it was born with. It didn't change sex anymore than a teenager going through puberty is changing sex, it just grew to express what was already there.
Human men do not naturally have their sperm turned off to suddenly grow ovaries, not even pumping them full of every female hormone in existence can cause that to happen to them. The only traits men get from HRT are male traits - enlarged moobs and a different fat distribution. The same things happens to men who happen to be naturally born with for example higher estrogen. Everything that happens is determined by their male genetics.
Same with human females, they're not suddenly instead growing a pair of sperm producing balls when pumping them full of male hormones. You get female traits such an enlarged clitoris or a dropped voice, which would also happen if she naturally was born with more testosterone than is usual. Men do not have an enlarged clitoris no matter how feminine they are, it's an exclusively female trait no matter how much they want to cry about it now being a micro peen. It isn't. Men also do not have a female voice that was forcefully dropped to sound like a frog- I mean more male. They have male voices that can be high or low.
For something like snails, multiple sexes can be active at the same time. That is not possible for humans because we did not evolve to merge the 2 sexes we come in and have them both work at once in the same individual. Then there are animals like bees where 99% are infertile females - yet they're still female and capable of laying unfertilized eggs. Doesn't matter that they're not fertile - we know they're female because their body plan is the kind that evolved around the large gamete production aka eggs.
I just find it so stupid that they're even trying to use animals as a justification for transness and transition, it comes off as "well if humans evolved from monkeys then why are there still monkeys, check mate terfs!". Bro no, they're a different living being that evolved to be that way while we evolved to be this way.
Rant here but Stupid pick me libfems have always existed. It's like a genetic thing or something. When my great-grandmother was fighting for women's fights you had all the "burn the bra" free love groups which sexualized themselves and pressured women into sex under the guise of equality and feminism. My grandmother talked about how it went against everything they had fought for when they wanted bras that wouldn't sexualize them.
Its always those who want sexual moid attention vs those who don't in feminism. Handmaidens and actual feminists.
Nobody asked kek but here are some of my favorite stories to use to peak/explain troonism to normies
>Emperor's new clothes
We can all tell their sex, but everyone has been told the correct thing to do is to pretend we only see a woman rather than a bearded man calling himself a little girl who's a lesbian. Everyone is pretending and lying while telling the emperor what a lovely brave woman he is, and noone is brave enough to tell the truth.
>Wizard of Oz
He's the promised Cure to Every Problem and everyone fully believes in it - perfectly mirrors trans health care and transition. Only at the end is it revealed that he has been a fraud all along, and that the real Cure was within themselves, that they were all fine the way they were.
>Little Red Riding Hood
There are people (mostly men) who are predators trying to dress up in friendly ways to get the trust of kids. The rainbow colored, queer, inclusive, sex educational videos for kids aren't as innocent as they may seem to some. They work hard to make you think they are, but if you see any signs of teeth (pedophilia, sex focus, breakdown of boundaries) it's because they want to fucking eat your child. Pedos usually do their best to hide that they are pedos, so when something gives obviously pedo-vibes… it just IS a pedo. There have to be SO many red flags they cross to become like that, literally only a pedo would do it.
you didn't ask for me to springboard rant off of your post either but:>Emperor's new clothes
yeah. i'm always amused by how easily tras break their own rules if the troony in question isn't a friend, or if the space is private enough for them to get away with it/feel like they can "speak freely". mind you, this disrespect usually only ever happens to aidens (kek), but it's still been frequent enough for me to notice. it's like everyone knows you're a woman using he/they or they/them or whatever and the moment you fujosperg is the moment you get shit-talked in private.
anyway it's crazy how much of their movement stands on everyone being too kind to tell the truth, openly
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I admit I love the "room tours" videos for some inspo (even if most of them are inspired by the same Korean room and Ikea furniture) and found one of a girl between 13-18 with a trans flag near her bed.
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Someone should tell them that those Wikis meant shit and Woodstock have always been male, just that he has a female name in Norwegian and Finish translations.
Long blogpost incoming, sorry but I'm getting more and more fed up every day.
I am sick of so many friends and even a close family member turning into raging handmaidens overnight. I don't even know when it all started but all of a sudden I started noticing people being much more vocal about the whole gendie bullshit and even bringing up the topic in completely unrelated to it conversations. Completely boycotting favorite streamers the moment they say a single slightly transphobic thing, non-stop screeching and info-dumping about the newest "bathroom bill" and how it's SO GENOCIDAL, all of them make sure to write their she/they pronouns everywhere and of course they all resort to calling anyone who disagrees with them TERF, saying how it "makes them uncomfortable" and caping for trannies like their lives depend on it.
The thing is, I've never believed in troonism - ever since the whole tumblr era a few years ago I thought that the whole thing is just a delusion and that it screams mental ilness to me, but I wouldn't really say it bothered me. During a conversation with a chronically online twitterfag (who's the biggest handmaiden I know) about some random TiF I stated my opinion (in a much more diplomatic way than I explained here mind you), but what was the response? I was lectured in a pretty condescending way and called names. That's when I knew I can't really voice my opinion freely without being called a bigoted TERF or getting cancelled, so I resorted to going crypto and playing dumb, acting like I don't really know what the whole trans debate is about.
And that's exactly what peaked me. When "educating" you these sleazy idiots will do their best to exaggerate every single struggle (kek) the troons go through, they will lie that there hasn't been a SINGLE case of violence by trannies against women, they will only show you the top 1% of most shooped photos and carefully ignore all the other atrocities. But after doing my own googling and browsing the threads here I can no longer remain neutral - now every time I see a troon or a handmaiden cape I can't help but feel exasperation and annoyance by the snowflake behavior.
And the best part? I DON'T EVEN LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE TROONS ARE AN ACTUAL PROBLEM. I'm in a small ass dirt poor shithole that's currently dealing with so much shit that most normal people who aren't online 24/7 don't even know what the fuck "trans" means - we're not very advanced with LGBT in general, mainly because we have much more pressing issues to deal with. Inflation and political corruption are the worst they have been in years and we can't even keep up a government going, but instead of the actual problems the TRAs proceed to screech about troons getting misgendered in restrooms in the USA which is literally on the other side of the world. Why the fuck are we all suddenly supposed to lick the asses of entitled moids who jerk off to all the attention? Who think that the pain after eating a spoiled sandwich is their totally existing period? Who contemplate suicide the moment they see a random good looking woman in the grocery store? No thank you. At this point I have seen so much disgusting shit by these "brave and stunning" degenerates it's not even real. Abominations. But unfortunately too many of my (ex) friends would cancel the living shit out of me if they ever find out about my opinion.
Once again sorry for the blogpost, but this is the only place where I can actually voice my frustration. I'm thankful for this thread, now I feel much better!
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These people are retarded
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i posted about this on the TiM thread once, but i’m losing my fucking mind and need to rant about it again. i work at a coffee shop and we have this 70+ year old man who comes through all the time. i vividly remember three years ago the back ledge thing by the rear windshield of his car was absolutely filled with trump merch, as well as an abundance of american flags. i hated when he would come through because he was super nice, but having to look at his tacky and cheap looking shrine would ruin my mood. i started working at a different location for a year and a half and when i came back, my coworker, we’ll call her annie, was telling me about this customer we have that occasionally cross dresses. imagine my surprise when i realize its this trump-obsessed military veteran.
over the past six months, he has decided that he’s trans and has started trying to assimilate into being a woman. he calls himself “olivia.” when he first told us in december, i was pretty peaked at that point but my co-workers are also caring and empathetic people, so one of them sent him a text (has always had his number for a reason i can’t remember) that he’s always welcome at our coffee shop and we support him. who could’ve guessed it would open the can of worms that followed. some more about him:
> brings us plastic bags filled with random shit including hairties and opened bags of pads, saying he “finished his period and doesn’t need them anymore”
> will inform us when his periods have started and ended, literally will give us random dates like “olivia had her period january 1-6”
> sometimes in these bags he’ll include a card addressed to all of the employees that work at that specific location (we only employ females), and the inside of the card will be literally filled front to back with ramblings
> once, one of those ramblings was about how his “girlfriends” would text him that they “woke up with blood all over their sheets because they started their periods”
> greets us by saying “hey gorgeous” and before he leaves he always says “bye, love you”
> handmaidens from various parts of his life (the employees of the tanning salon he frequents and his barber, that’s it) have made a facebook group where they can share cute stories about him and his nail lady can post photos of his pedicures for all to see
> invited annie, she joined, but the handmaidens always want to plan outings with the tranny to take him out to lunch and that’s where annie draws the line
> has mentioned my car’s pink fuzzy steering wheel cover every single day for the last three weeks and talks about getting himself one. pls don’t
> is a recovering alcoholic
> wears pink gloves in the winter but otherwise puts in 0 effort to appear female
one day last week i saw him walking up to the window. i always try to have his coffee ready to go to minimize chatting, but i was a little slow because he started telling me about how he was wearing a sports bra under his shirt in public for the first time, “but no one can tell really so it’s fine.” then he said something about how he should just get over it and feel confident enough to wear a t-shirt!!! 90% of our shifts are worked alone because we’re just a tiny drive through kiosk, and it’s really hard to set boundaries in that situation because these people know where we work and they know that we’re alone. also in a weird area of town with lots of addicts and general sketchiness. so i just kind of go “oh wow!” because i don’t want to enable but i also want to stay alive. the next day he was wearing a t-shirt and made sure to immediately inform me that he was wearing the bra again, and how proud he was of it. i cannot take it much longer nonnies
obviously i’m beating a dead horse by saying this but it’s so disgusting that all we are to men is periods and bras. i haven’t even worn a real bra in years because they’re fucking uncomfortable. i had to start the pill at age 14 because my periods were so irregular that it was affecting my quality of life. it’s so bizarre to look at a wrinkly, bald, delusional man 50 years your senior and realize that he truly thinks he’s the same as you.
picrel is one of the cards he wrote to us. blocked out identifying info. he dropped it off when he came through after coming out to us, so i guess this was his thank you? good luck deciphering it
Does anybody else here have gc friends/loved ones that still respect pronouns and if so do they try to police your pronoun use? I've had mixed results. One friend respects pronouns but doesn't bother trying to correct me and never has. One got upset because the guy was her friend and she said she felt like she had to come to his defense. I have a third friend who has no problem with me "misgendering" randos and will do so himself but he does have one ftm friend that he him's for some reason. >>16187
This is nightmare material, I agree with >>16189
you should report this or at least try to sus out if any of your other coworkers are uncomfortable with this, someone has to be. Maybe you can unionize against the guy lol. The card's pretty tough to decipher on the second page, him referring to himself (or I guess "Olivia") in the third person is wild and reminds me of In The Darkroom and classic reddit tims, referring to their hersonas in the third person. The fact that he has a fan page is also nuts.
ayrt here. i honestly think my boss wouldn’t give a shit if we refused service to him. she’s a 60-year-old woman and she’s owned and ran the place for 20+ years. once when i was working with her, we served a TiM who was desperately trying yet epically failing to pass. when she handed him his drink, she went “here you go sir!” and he said “it’s ma’am” in the most pathetic, small little voice imaginable. she didn’t even say anything, just looked at him and eventually he drove away. she turned to me and said “that was a dude, you know.” that was pre-peak so i was put off by it then, but i’m laughing just thinking about it. she’s so based
annie and i have had quite a few conversations about trannies before. she’s kind of a used-to-do-drugs-but-now-loves-home-improvement-projects-and-takes-mushroom-supplements type of millennial while i’m a terminally-online-since-nine-years-old-and-it-shows zoomer. we both seem to tiptoe around the subject a bit. her political views could probably be described as left-leaning, but the kind of left-leaning you’ll find in midwestern america. we both agree that he takes it too far and that the period shit is especially fucking weird. she used to work with special needs individuals, both children and adults. she has an abundance of stories about having to deal with elementary-aged boys aggressively jacking off in front of their fellow children in class. i think this honestly just doesn’t phase her because of all the other crazy things she’s seen and had to do
i’m not going to lie to you ladies about the state of my town. tranny pandering hivemind has infected the people here and if word got out that i worked at a “transphobic establishment,” i would be fucked. the coffee shop is a part time for fun gig as i’m a photographer the rest of the time. also very heavily involved with the local diy/downtown/artsy scene, and if i got outed as a tranny hater, i would be excommunicated. i’d genuinely probably have to move away to find work. it’s really funny because every tranny i’ve met in this town is absolutely batshit balls to the wall fucking disgusting and horrible. this experience here with olivia is actually the least threatened i’ve felt while in regular contact with a TiM
it’s pathetic that i’m that scared of what troons will do, but i’ve weighed my options and unfortunately holding my tongue seems like the best thing to do for now
I'd legit look for a new job just to get away from a person like that. He went from extreme Trump-lover to trans with a period-BLOOD-fetish in a short amount of time. What if he decides that the blood doesn't have to be a period, just has to be blood from a woman - the ones whose opinions threathens his fetish. Ones who "betrayed" him when he saw them as "friends"?>i don’t think he would do that
Well nona did you think that the trump-loving old man would ever trans out? Has he not proven already that his mind is fickle, delusional and entirely occupied by a sick and fast growing fetish he's not afraid to force upon others?
not to take over your post nonna, but it reminds me of what’s happening in my town. a local TiF and a TiM partnered up to start an “organization” to fund emigration for trannies. they just feel sooo unsafe here in america that they need to fuck off to another country. they’re both chronically ill NEETs who e-beg, the TiM being the worst of them. had the unfortunate displeasure of conversing with him once and he couldn’t stop talking about his $10,000 breast implants which look fucking horrible. he’s such a cow, he’s single-handedly divided the local queer community with his bullshit. for example, he thinks trannies who don’t try to pass aren’t real trannies, meanwhile he’s 50 years old, balding, bony and greasy. the fake tits are the only thing he bothered trying with.
i really hope your gf’s friend can gain some self respect and leave. exactly like you said - how can you endanger someone you love and not think twice? he’s going to ruin her fucking life all in the name of cooming? moids truly do not care about anyone but themselves
>>16191>Does anybody else here have gc friends/loved ones that still respect pronouns and if so do they try to police your pronoun use?
My gc friend will use the preferred pronouns for troons only if they're able to admit what their real sex is. So she doesn't affirm delusion, but she'll play along if they admit it's a made up character i guess.
I've really changed my mind on pronouns. Started out handmaideny, thinking we should respect them because it doesn't hurt anyone. Then had my terf
phase of thinking we should always use the right sex pronouns to not muddle language and meaning of words. While I do still think that's mostly true, now I've realized the policing is often derailing the conversation and I want to respect that some people use it out of habit to protect themselves and their jobs. As long as we're able to have meaningful discussions about the topic I'm fine with them using the wrong pronouns, and they have to be fine with me not using them.
Ayrt>I've realized the policing is often derailing the conversation
I completely agree with you. Early on when I peaked I would kind of roll my eyes at people for she'ing obvious men but I realized pretty quickly what an asshole move that is. What's the point of that, anyway? Me calmly using correct sex pronouns in a non-malicious, matter of fact way proves my point a lot better than acting like a snotty child.
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I wish I could tell to this person that these terms were way before than Trans people started to appear everywhere and they're porn fetishes. But nah.
I’ve seen this with “BoyPussy”, nasty term but gay men have been using it since forever, but now it’s “denigrating for trans men”, “objectifying ftms”. They take over terms and then whine about them being problematic
or not inclusive enough. Truly a cancer.
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Trans people should learn that's how celebrities act, to do not being lynched because "they haven't done enough".
These poor celebs are just ruining their own future legacy. Like how people today look back and "cancel" works by "problematic
" people of the past, people are just gonna look back and say "he was a decent actor at the time, but he supported the child mutilation movement and even made his own child be part of it"
Samefagging but just think about how we now feel about people who strongly advocated for lobotomy at the time. It was supposedly safe and helped poor vulnerable people, it was a modern medical intervention they blindly trusted, but in reality it ruined their lives completely and it was obvious after seeing just a single victim
Lots of us were handmaidens/casually supportive of troons ourselves at some point, we know they could change their minds and that the trans trend will pass one day. It's all mostly lip service, they say troons are women and that no one can tell a difference, but we know they can. We all can. Troon ideology literally cannot win, they've built their movement on lies and harmful actions and only get to continue as long as people stay ignorant. A peaked person can never go back, and more people are peaking every day.
Some friends should be left behind for your own mental health, but some are worth hanging around and are possible to peak. You just have to figure out which one applies to you and your friends.
>>16334>most of us are left leaning
This is one thing TRAs don't get. They do NOT know their enemy and it will cause them to fail kek
They think their biggest enemy is old, white, Christian, right leaning/conservatives. They've dubbed them karens and terfs because they hate women, but they sure as fuck don't act like feminists are the true enemy. They instead act like they themselves are the true feminists, and the terfs are evil people in disguise but not "real" feminists. They still don't even get that poc
are LESS accepting of troons than white people. They don't get that gay people are fed up with their homophobic views. They don't get that women being vocally fed up with troons are more often left leaning because those are the ones who had to deal with troons first hand.
>>16343>They don't get that gay people are fed up with their homophobic views.
Lesbian bars. Just: lesbian bars. Trannies made them go extinct because they flock to anything "lesbian" for the aesthetic. You go looking for pussy and meet a sausage party.
Funny thing is, I used to be sympathetic toward trannies when there were so few of them. There was always a couple of local trannies of either sex. We mutually acknowledged our differences and coexisted without the "let's talk about trans issues" crap. The resident fakeboi wannabe was slaying lesbian pussy. The resident MTF tranny was sipping cocktails in the corner. Sure there were arguments, but no one actually cared. They knew lesbian spaces belonged to female homosexuals. We knew it, too.
Then the hysteria began and guys started trooning out en masse. Even implying trannies are not women became haram. Most MTF trannies used to be attracted to men, now the "transbian" crowd is everywhere I go. Butches had gone borderline extinct. Something went wrong.
It makes me sad to read how things were before. Showing my age a little but I wish I could've lived before all this, or at least had a young adulthood or something before it. I came out directly in the middle of this troon crisis and it has been never ending bullshit ever since. Sometimes I even wish I hadn't publicly come out or tried to find community, but how do you ever meet someone if you don't do that? So now I'm one of those people like >>16332
with friends that are sort of 'left behind' and anyways, it feels awful to cut a friendship off based on something so goddamn stupid. It feels like it should be a non issue but it is. I'm so sick of it.
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Kudos for the artist for not using a female body for the evil terf, but I wish the TRAs have the same energy for the bigoted and homophobic men.
Oh wait, they're TIMs most of the time, so they're welcomed in their circle.
Why are they so fucking obsessed with us? We're the most reasonable haters of troonism and even if they disagree with us, the basis in misogyny was always empathizable to me even when I was a TiF myself. It makes no sense that a fraction of this performance of hatred isn't directed towards like, cops, or pedophiles, or conservatives, when they're the ones taking the most effective IRL actions contrary to the trans movement.
I can't see it in any way other than them taking some sort of sadistic delight in trampling the one group that they know they have the power to lynch and persecute while being praised as the blameless victims
. It's gross.
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I think the message is that trans people are wolves in sheep's clothing out to harm people kek
Remember how nazis had skulls on their uniforms? And how ironically appropriate that was because they were evil and killed innocent people? I literally cannot believe that troons keep representing themselves with predatory animals like sharks and wolves, making art with violent slogans like "kill/punch women" - they're like textbook kids media villains!
I'm gonna art sperg since this is the vent thread anyway: You can tell the artist is bad and/or stupid because they fundamentally do not understand what they're saying with this image (or they're secretly a terf
themselves trying to make troons look bad on purpose, which I doubt). You have a GIANT wolf/werewolf which is perhaps THE most classic image of deception there is thanks to the little red riding hood. Not only is it deceptive, because the wolf is typically depicted as a male literally dressing up as a female (grandma) specifically to harm a real girl. So the artist could not have chosen a worse animal to represent trans people. Or for a terf
- a more appropriate one.
But werewolves transform - like trans people! So it's a perfect allegory, right? But the artist failed to take into account that werewolves were humans who then transed into monsters that harm and kill innocent people. The harm werewolves do come specifically from being transformed. So again, shit choice to make if you want to make trans people not look like evil predators.
But even outside of that the wolf is GIANT and harming a much smaller and clearly helpless human. It could have been any monster or even a giant human, and it would still be saying that trans people are big, scary, and dangerous.
And of course it's not insignificant that the wolf is literally black in color. Black in art typically represents bad/evil, so to make it black just makes trans people look even more like the villain. And it's even worse for these people who are in the "woke" crowd, because making the darkest black creature be a giant monster is… pretty racist. And the victim
is partly brown too, which it didn't have to be as it's clearly an artistic choice. So the artist is choosing to make the victim
- or in their eyes the true evil villain - a black/poc
human. They literally chose to make the one being murdered have brown skin. While also making sure the true darkest black is associated with the violent perpetrator.
Every choice the artist made works against them and they don't even know it, and that's why they're a shit artist. They wanted to make themselves look edgy and strong to scare women who think differently than them, but all they're doing is making themselves look stupid and violent.
These questions are the exact ones that start to peak women. If they want to "protect trans kids" why are they literally protecting pedophiles? Like sure, not EVERY troon is a pedo, but why is it that every time a troon is outed as a pedo they keep getting protected and excused for it? Why do platforms ban words like "groomer" when that only protects pedos and harms their victims
and tell them to not speak out? And these victims
ARE the trans kids they claim to want to protect.
Why do they want JKR dead when all she did was write a book series and open a women's crisis centre? Why do they not have that energy for the actual lawmakers and politicians? You know, the people who could actually make real change for trans people. Why can't I name a single male person who is as hated by trans people as JKR is, when most of those people in power are male?
I love you, terf
And imagine even if the werewolf is white over a black background: "Are you telling us that white trans people are better than BIPOC trans people??".
You're right, this is another description of "Trans people won't be peaceful until everyone believe in them, so peace is not an option while they brainwash kids and make women the evil while ignoring bigoted men".
Isn't it sad how the image would have worked better if the "evil person being devoured to protect the artist's trans friends" was labeled as "bigoted" instead of "terf
"? It would have worked for both bigoted men AND women, but no, it has to be the evil terf
while bigoted men do more damage. But since bigoted men also are TIMs…
I love terf
shiba, I wish that she could become widespread and recognized as a dogwhistle (pun not intended… maybe?)
>>16564>I feel your work deserves to be seen more by othersTerf
shiba anon here, I hope people steal and post terf
shiba wherever they want, and make their own terf
shiba memes too!>>16595>I wish that she could become widespread and recognized as a dogwhistle
Made me kek, good pun nona! I want troons to seethe every time they see a real cute little shiba walking down the street, because they can and do smell their male pheromones no matter how much surgery or makeup they've gotten. Dogs really are terfs!
I love when nonas sperg out on here. They are always interesting reads and show how diverse our community is. "Terfs" come from all walks of life.
Anyway your analysis was really poignant and fun to read
I've always been a cat person but I really want a terf
I'm a crypto terf
and I have a TRA friend whose dog completely hates men. A fully transitioned TIM acquaintance of mine who is a good friend of hers was in town several weeks ago, and they went over to her house to spend time with her animals. When the TIM was talking to me afterwards, he gushed about how nice my friend was, and how she had given him treats in the car outside ahead of time to make sure he made a good impression on the animals. Talking about how cute they were, any mention of the man-hating dog, who is by far the best looking of my friend's pets, was conspicuously absent.
Made me kek a bit, because when I first went over I a) had no issue with that dog and b) had not needed coaching ahead of time on how to approach the animals. If anything, his worst trait was that he was overly affectionate without realizing how large he was, which is cute. I've been over with other female friends too and this has always been the case regardless of how familiar he is with the woman.
As much of a bleeding heart TRA my friend is, sounds like she still at least subconsciously knew that the TIM would be clocked as male by the dog and made efforts to prevent an awkward situation. And it still didn't work because the TIM admitted to me later that the dog had been actively aggressive and hostile the entire time he was there.
Dogs really are the biggest TERFs.>>16636
It can be this, but dogs also react with hostility to men even without a personal history of abuse from them because they pick up patterns of anxiety in their owners.
This similarly why it's been proven that dogs aren't actually racist as some people like to allege– they're reacting to prejudices or anxieties in their owners.
When it comes to men, I see it as a tell of how even handmaidens actually feel about men, ln a subconscious level at the very least. There's a history of domestic violence from men in my friend's family, and while none of the men are around anymore and my friend's dog wasn't around for any of it + came to thrm from a reputable breeder as a puppy with now history of abuse… He still recognizes men as people who make his owners anxious and identified the TIM as a man, regardless of how true my friend's insistence that she perceives him as a woman are.
laxatives, either crushing the pills up with a mortar and pestle or broken up pieces of those chocolate laxatives. combine covertly with Buffalo Bill's brew.
you do the math.
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So you'll be the "boring gender" while cis would be "the cool gender".
You made me remember that ep of King of Hills where Hank asks for help to a repairman to fix the water heater and he was angry at his attitude, so Ladybird attacks him. The repairman think she attacked him due racist reasons (he was Afro-American) and made Hank believe the racist was himself because he made Ladybird attack him.
Almost all the ep later, there is another repairman with the same hollier-than-thou attitude and Ladybird attacks him, and Hank realized he's not racist, he just dislikes repairmen that do not listen to him. At the end of the ep the first repair man (Mack) think Ladybird was going to attack him, but Hank asures him she attacked an Scottish-Irish repairman and for his propane gas company he promises that she's not, and turned out that she wanted some rubs and loving from Mack.
So yes, even if there are no abuse behind, dogs do tell when someone has bad intentions. Hell, sageblog but my neighbor's boxer barks at everybody except me and she let me pet her. She even growled a man that was following me to ask me for money.
>>16657>As much of a bleeding heart TRA my friend is, sounds like she still at least subconsciously knew that the TIM would be clocked as male by the dog and made efforts to prevent an awkward situation. And it still didn't work because the TIM admitted to me later that the dog had been actively aggressive and hostile the entire time he was there.
Kek even in the best of circumstances the dog still knew! And that's why we stan queen terf
shiba! The honesty of animals is amazing and pure. Troons really go against nature in every way, trying to deny reality and reshape their biology all in vain. I can't imagine the amounts of copium they need to inhale on the daily just to get through the day, it sounds exhausting.
you know this is an attempted "gotcha" joke based on homophobia, it's supposed to look ridiculous and unreasonable because surely everyone against troons must be straight white men, gay people couldn't possibly be agains troons extremely homophobic and bigoted views!
These people always fail to take into account that GC people don't buy into gender at all, that it doesn't fucking exist, it's not a physical thing… it's nothing but a spiritual/religious belief based on sex steretypes. There is no cis- or homogender because gender isn't real. Get your gross religious sex stereotypes out of our faces, we do not want them. I'm fully open to freedom of religion and their right to believe in gender, but they have to admit it IS a relgion and not based on science or facts and it has to stay out of schools.
It's like saying "i don't believe in god, i'm an atheist" and them going "oh wow you're going to hell for that, aren't you scared of satans wrath??" bitch no i don't believe in hell because it's part of the religion, what is it you don't get about that?
Tifs too! I didn't even think that much about male/female different writing styles before, but then troonism happened and somehow troons of both sexes end up being super steretypical in how they write. Half of them really do try to be "themselves" and end up sounding exactly like the sex they are, and the other half try to mimic the other sex and get it wrong 99% of the time.
I really think part of trooning out involves fundamentally not understanding that the other sex is different than you. These people think they can be/are the other sex (or nonbinary) specifically because of this delusion and lack of understanding the differences, so it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. A person who understands that males and females are different and then respects that would simply never troon out in the first place.And then this lack of understanding leads to funny little quirks in both sexes of troons, like having their writing style give away their sex without them getting how or why.
>>16766>He totally expects me to hold his hand and walk him through how to do everything, and is extremely manipulative.
I hope you can be stern and put your foot down, tell him you know he knows how to use google and that you don't have time to do his part of the work for him when you have your own work to do.
If you can't do it directly at least make sure to shame him every time he asks a simple question, pop in lines like "do you seriously not even know the very basics of this?", "our professor/boss has made us use this method in several projects already, you should know it by now", "why don't you google it and see if you can figure it out, I'm busy working on my part".
Make sure you keep receipts like screenshots if he admits/pretends not knowing how to do something and then in private use it to tell the teacher/boss that you had to do all the work for the project, and also to tell/show your closest classmates/coworkers how lazy and manipulative he is.
It's especially effective if he claims to not know about something and forcing you to do it for him, if it's something you know he's done before in projects because it will make it obvious that he either lied and was manipulative on purpose, or he cheated in those previous projects. He comes out looking bad either way.
Peak first world problems here, but this really fun horror rpg I've been playing recently has a tim in it. I was kinda hoping it was just an instance of people transwashing an ambiguous character, but nope. The horror game that takes place in the forties has a troon in it. I really didn't expect the dev of the game to bend the knee to trannies, but here we are. The troon is easily the most obnoxious character too, very blatant wish fulfillment/self insert fuel. The troon is 18 and barely legal, is explicitly described to look underage, has practically everyone and everything in the game thirsting after him, has a female character whose only purpose is to be madly in love with him, and of course is the most dainty and waifish of the cast. He also has a bunch of 'quirky' and 'meta' dialogue (in a horror game, mind you) that isn't even remotely funny or interesting and just ruins immersion. His backstory is that he was groomed from infancy to be a girl and liked it. Honestly, it could have been an interesting character if all the troon shit was removed- it would still be a bit lame because trap shit, but I could at least overlook it. This character has also attracted a ton of gross troons to the fandom, and now even basic conversations can be intruded upon and turned sexual. There's even a man in the fandom, a hulking ugly fully grown man who loves to dress up as the troon and show the pics unsolicited. All it takes is one bad troon, I guess. Since this is an anonymous imageboard I don't see why I can't just namedrop the game I'm all pissy about: It's Fear and Hunger 2 Termina. The troon is Marina. Fuck you Mr. Dev for trooning up your otherwise awesome game.
I’m happy that you’ve found an IRL peaked friend to share your feelings with! I have one IRL friend who I can kinda be honest with, but she still expresses some TRA views. I’m always reminded of the part in the book “The Handmaid’s Tale” (fuck Margaret Atwood for caving to troon pressure on Twitter) where the narrator uses the word “Mayday” to suss out whether her shopping partner is part of the cult or part of the resistance. I wish that there was a secret handshake or something that we terves could use.
I used to work at a coffee shop where this gross boorish moid was a regular customer. He used to come in, act like he owned the place, demand special treatment, and flirt with/casually touch us young female employees on the shoulders. I don’t think any of us liked him, but the other girls laughed at his jokes and did the whole fawning thing, probably as a defense mechanism. The coffee shop was a new struggling business so I guess none of us wanted to cause trouble by bringing this to the owner’s attention or straight up telling the guy to fuck off. I can’t imagine how much it would have sucked to deal with a similarly creepy customer but not be allowed to say anything without being accused of troonphobia.
After I quit the coffee shop, this moid somehow got my phone number (I’m not sure if one of the other employees gave it to him or if he peeped the employee contact sheet hanging up in the back room) and texted me something like “I’ll be thinking of you in ways you can’t imagine”. So I texted him back “You are a fat fuck and nobody likes you. I am blocking your number.” and he texted back something like “fuck u bitch ur ugly anyway”. It felt soooo satisfying. I hope that whenever you get a new job you can do something mean to make this tranny feel impotent rage.
LOL I could immediately tell what game it was just from the first third of this. FWIW, it's not clear that Samarie is an actual person. She still manifests in Marina's epilogue art the narratige for it requiring Samarie to be dead… So you can at least twist that offensive aspect of Marina's character into something less insulting. NGL, I'm not that mad at Marina's existence in the game. Given FaH's content it's not like I expected it to have decent stances.
Context for other nonnas, this is duology (so far) of games that are very heavy on sexual violence. It's up to interpretation how fetishistic that actually is, and to a degree I do think it is useful towards the oppressive atmosphere it tries to generate. But I'm not going to be shocked at troom depravity in it because it's a series where half the enemies overall have their penises hanging out and engorged, your characters can get raped in any number of unfortunate circumstances, and the first game even had anal bleeding as a status effect.
Just seems odd to mald over troon shit in this sort of game.
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From that horrid image: Rowling did said "Lupin's condition of lycanthropy was a metaphor for those illnesses that carry a stigma, like HIV and AIDS”, so technically trans people are full of HIV and AIDS???
>>16974>why are they all EXACTLY the same
Because it's a social contagion and a fashion trend, it's why those "tif charts" are scarily accurate
This is the most common tif I see (trans and enby, both look exactly the same): >short hairstyle, but not TOO short so it can't be something like a buzzcut or full shave>50% chance on dyed or bleached hair>is noticeably overweight>wears baggy tshirts and hoodies, typically black but the longer she's been a tif the more feminine images and color she adds>baseball cap and army shorts on sunny days, serving a "lost little boy aesthetic">hasn't gotten her tits amputated yet, may wear a binder but even if she doesn't she's convinced just a baggy hoodie makes her pass and look fully male>has one of two childish manners: she either acts like one herself, or talks down to others as if she's explaining something to a child>does not know how to interract like an adult (or with age appropriate maturity)>just started T and has a tiny bit of facial hair coming in, it looks patchy at best>voice has started to sound froggy>mild autistic or adhd symptoms, may or may not be aware of it herself
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It will never cease to delight me that troons can't stop loving the Harry Potter fandom so much. They've spent years calling JKR a terf
nazi monster, saying she is literally killing trans people, that she should die for her transphobic crimes. They literally BEGGED and threatened the whole world with fists raised and tears in their eyes not to play Hogwarts Legacy, to burn her books, to denounce her fully and never give her any money or listen to her at all. They literally think she is and openly call her "transphobic Hitler".
But they STILL can't stop themselves. They love her books, the love the movies, they love the HP world and fandom. Even when half of them are claiming she is genociding trans people (and they full heartedly mean it) the other half still can't let go of this one fandom. No matter how much they hate her, how proudly trans they are, and claiming supporting her is killing trans people… they can't give up this one thing for them.
They can drink all the copium they want and claim to not support JKR and just support the fandom but ultimately they really love her work and keep asking for more content of it. Like this one wants to see more of Remus, the character JKR created, because they love the character and can't give him up even after being told by their own trans community that it's trans genocide to support her. They keep her and her work relevant by always bringing her up.
It's because of this I want owls to be the official terf
We have terf
shiba and terf
owl, united in the fight against troons
Can you try telling your friend you'd rather just go the two of you and reschedule? You're not friends with this guy, he invited himself even though it made you uncomfortable and you only watned to go with your friend and it's reasonable to only want a strictly professional relationship with some coworkers who you are not close with. I would avoid leaving your friend alone with a TIM, that's just cruel and she might secretly not be into him being there either. You do NOT owe this man pretending to be a woman anything. If he gets mad at you over it at least he won't bother you about it anymore. And to be frank even casual handmaidens can admit that a bearded man who goes by their male name isn't very trans kek
I'd just talk/text her something like "Honestly I really just wanted to go with just you, just the two of us. Could we cancel it and reschedule? I'm not even close with Guy and would rather keep it that way and not hang out with them after work. If you wanna go with Guy I can hang out with you on another day though". If she's ok with it you can make up an excuse for one/both of you like some family thing you have to go to came up so you cancelled it for now. Then you two pick a new date behind his back, don't tell him about it of course, and if he asks just allude to "maybe some other time, nothing is decided".
I like what >>17095
said here>maybe embarrass her a little for even caring what others think
I don't know their ages but subtly point out how incredibly childish, vain and self-absorbed it is to be obsessed with how other people view you. Because it is!
If you're brave you can point out that telling a woman (you) or just talking about it within earshot of a woman, that it's gross to be percieved as a woman is really mean and misogynistic and women get shit on enough as it is. Then when they naturally jump to saying you can't possibly understand what they feel like as trans/nonbinary you tell them "YOU'd never understand since you're enby/trans, and NOT women. WOMEN have to deal with SO much misogyny just for being ourselves, including from trans people who think even being perceived as one of us is gross. I wouldn't be grossed out if someone thought I was nonbinary or trans or even a man, something for you to think about."
If that's too direct for you, you can do things like join the discussions by seemingly agreeing with them but you change everything to being about just things women struggle with, since that's your perspective. Like "it sucks being a woman because people expect you to be feminine ALL the time when most women aren't", "some dumbasses even think women HAVE to like makeup, when plenty of women are tomboys or just want to dress comfortably and not give a damn about their looks". So literally just keep saying these obvious feminist points about women. Hopefully something will eventually click within them.
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Please someone do a "fight for women rights".
In one of my fandom discord groups most people were saying they're not playing the game because it's transphobic, a few of us were saying we wanted to play it and got side eyed really hard for it. I play innocently dumb every time the topic of troons come up so they think I'm just ignorant and not a gender critical terf
Flash forward to a few weeks ago when I hung out with my friend in person and find out despite him very clearly saying "no way, not interested in playing it at all" in public he did secretly play it and liked it, and he told me so did another girl from the group chat who had also denied it.
I know both of them are still unpeaked, but it made me feel so good knowing they were just lying about it because they understand the backlash they'd get. Hearing him say that people were stupid for complaining about the name etc was great. That's step 1 to peaking, to see how ridiculous they act and only pretend to go along even though the doubts are staring to appear in your mind. Eventually they'll be pushed far enough to peak and I can't wait
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I hate males for inventing misogyny, if only because women’s self hate is expressed in a way where I’m now forced to look at this retarded shit everywhere. Especially when it’s fic after fic of PiV sprinkled everywhere in my yaoi. Nobody’s browsing through the m/m tag actively wanting to read about a limp arm skin roll fucking a dry pussy. Not my yaoi! reeee
Idk what to do anymore! I got on Tumblr as a preteen and immediately fell into trans stuff because I was a nerdy fandom-brained autistic GNC lesbian who had a history of abuse at the hands of men. I was a themlet for years until the cognitive dissonance was too much, but the thing is literally all of my (female) friends over the last decade have trooned out and wouldn't understand if I said I'm just a normal lesbian and not some boyish celestial spirit or whatever the fuck.
So many of them insist they're true and honest men (despite being the most gender conforming women ever) and admit they are only trans because of yaoi, then they date predatory men and pretend it's uwu gay. Idk how I ever fell for this shit or why I believed they were "gay" like me considering that even at my trooniest, I only dated other Aidens.
It hurts realizing my whole friend group who I grew up with is homophobic, it hurts that they all get so uncomfortable when I say even the mildest things like "same sex attraction" instead of "same gender attraction," it hurts knowing they are why I struggled to accept that I'm a lesbian, it hurts so much I wish I could unpeak, but I have tried and tried and tried and I can't.
I'm also extremely resentful that instead of addressing my trauma history and underlying mental health issues, all of my therapists just affirmed affirmed affirmed my dissociated metaphysical body hatred bullshit. This shit is just escapism on steroids and it makes me so upset, I swear it's like some modern lobotomy shit. I quit therapy and refuse to go back. Fuck them for telling me I was trans when there were so many other explanations, like gee, I wonder why a bulimic teenage girl who cuts herself after years of being beaten and sexually assaulted by men might feel uncomfortable with her body. They should have their licenses revoked, all of them. I was vulnerable and they just made everything worse. I hate them so much. The worst part is every therapist I had was a woman because I'm afraid of men (which should have maybe also been a sign that I obviously am not one, ffs) and they still did this.
On the bright side, my mom makes me feel more sane, she's GNC and always told me a woman can be anything, and now I feel bad that I didn't listen because everyone kept telling mr she was twansphobic and abusive. We've made up and are closer than ever but I'm still so so upset that I put her through so much. I cry about it often still. I drank the koolaid and it's all so fucking evil. I was a child! I'm just so angry and hopeless. I haven't really spoken to many of my friends in awhile and I can tell they think it's weird that I am so distant now, but I just can't deal with their obvious internalized misogyny and homophobia and inability to critically think about anything.
Sorry this is so long, I haven't ever admitted this anywhere and it's been stewing for over a year now. I feel like I woke up from a long stupor and still feel so groggy and confused. I am so angry and hurt and idk where to put all of it, it just boils over inside me and makes me feel crazy.
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Already skeptical of trans stuff but this whole “protect trans children” was the tipping point to my peaking. My mom works at a preschool in a very liberal state and they have at least 5 kids who identify as trans or non binary, 10 years ago that number was zero.
I'm sorry you had to go through all that nona!>It hurts realizing my whole friend group who I grew up with is homophobic
Realizing your friends were terrible and misguided all along really sucks. Letting go hurts, but in the end you'll be so so much better off without them. They're in a literal cult mindset, you were lucky and strong to be able to get out of it but they can't get there themselves until they want to on their own. Until/if that happens they'll only drag you down with them and harm you further. It's NOT your job to save them. If you're going to distance yourself from them anyway (which you 100% should) then you could drop in a last "I'm going to/have detransitioned". If they ever come out of it they'll possibly know you're a safe peaked person too, you know? And if not at least it'll keep their cultist minds away from you as you're now a tainted detrans non-believer.
You need real friends who actually accept you for real and won't drag you further into delusions. So glad you have your mom! It's not entirely your fault you didn't listen before - trans ideology is a cult and they wanted you to cut her out of your life, so of course they'd tell you lies to make you not trust her when you were vulnerable and traumatized. I'm sure your mom doesn't blame you and is just happy to have you back.
Detransitioners are starting to gain traction and sue medical practioners and if you're feeling up for it you could try it too. Look up and contact Beyond Trans if you're interested. They may also be able to get you in touch with real non-affirming therapists who see the dangers of trans ideology and affirming. At the very least I hope you could email your previous therapist or doctor and tell them how you feel, let them know they hurt you through sheer negelct and stupidity. Because as you said, how the fuck did they not take ANY of your very real traumas and problems into account?? That's really gross. Just don't make any threats or anything kek I trust you're smart enough not to.
I know we don't know each other but I'm really rooting for you nona! I'm mad that you got hurt and I'm happy you got out of the cult. You can beat this, you can take your life back! Come back and spam in this vent thread any time you need to, it's what it's here for. Good luck nona!
>>17403>"neither of my children is cisgender"
Becasue their confused mommy-daddy groomed them into an ideology. Those kids are at best going to grow up to hating their mom and at worst be messed up beyond repair and it will be all her fault.>"would prefer them to be dead"
They never said that, no one ever said that. Even the most conservative people or gender critical terf
has ever wanted the "trans kids" to be hurt - everyone has always just wanted them to be healthy and happy, and to not get abused through transition.
She's the kind of person who will never back down because she is literally sacrificing her kids' lives to the ideology. To be able to live with herself she can't ever admit what she's doing is wrong, it takes an incredibly strong character to be able to do that and most trans parents are narcs or mentally ill.
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Just learned a dev that I looked up to for years but never really followed is a fucking troon. Feel like this whole fucking time I've been living a lie. All it took for me to realize was playing one fucking game in my Steam library because I was bored and now I'm questioning everything. I must have been fucking retarded at 13 if I really thought this shit was peak writing. Picrel
I'm having to join discord servers because of the twitter thing. Every single one of them makes you state pronouns and I'm having to get more and more creative to avoid that shit lol.>>17522
Oh definitely, video mentions medical transitioning being a part of it. But I feel it really just threw that "trans wimmin too btw" in for tra brownie points.
One thing I've done in a group setting was to reply "Just regular female ones." in a pretty dead pan voice. I tried to communicate that even though I sort of participate to not cause trouble, I don't use their language (by avoiding saying "she/her" which is what they want) and I remind them that there's a regular normal way to use the words that we all know. It lets other gender critical people know that I'm not in the gender cult. Yet at the same time I could just be "uneducated" and I did pretty much give my pronouns so the TRA can't really call me out kek
This was face to face though, people are less likely to want to start a fight irl and just move along.
Saying she/her (or any other combo) in the way they expect and want is like saying "amen" and confirming "yes, I believe in the Gender Cult, yes I will play by the Gender Gospel Rules" so it throws people off when you do it differently. Doesn't have to be a big change, just "wrong". Break their rituals.
Breaking their rituals just enough to throw them off is a good way to start to peak people. They rely on these rituals for comfort and it keeps them from thinking because they just follow the scripts. Same reason we have greetings, just with more ideology. Like if you say "good morning" and the other person doesn't greet you back you feel something is off, they didn't do the social interaction "correctly". Eventually you'll stop saying good morning because you didn't get socially rewarded for saying it so you stop seeing the point of it.
The entire movie pissed me off. I loved barbie as a kid and I like Margot Robie but it was offensive in so many ways. It didn't hold men accountable for their own actions it infantilizes them which absolved them of responsibility despite having a mildly sympathetic cause (kens aren't rapists like real men are). I knew that they wouldn't get feminism right so it pissed me off that they tried at all instead of just being fun.
I'm pretty sure that the troon barbie was supposed to be not a troon in universe but that was only my reading. Why would a created doll ever be trans? Iirc it was supposed to be a fluke that barbie connected with the woman who played with her at all.
I didn't hate the movie despite the "baby's first feminism". Knowing they had casted a troon to play a barbie i expected muuuuch worse and for it to have a bunch of troon pandering. I don't agree with the anon who said it implies he was a Ken-to-Barbie, he was clearly casted to just be a regular barbie. But if you were to judge the movie as a TRA you'd have to deem it transphobic for always saying girls and women without including gender neutral language, with the exception of the one mention… from a greedy corporate CEO kek
Barbie has always been a feminist icon with a "girls can do/be anything" message so while it does suit the brand I also would have preferred just a silly adventure movie without the feminism. I did like how it called out the fact that her original message had been corrupted and she got blamed for womens problems instead.
If you’re in a reading mood, these 2 essays really put stuff into perspective nonnie
. Tl;dr as educated Western liberals rely less on “traditional” religions to teach people about right and wrong, wokeness has crept in as a replacement for a moral compass, and transgenderism has emerged as the most extreme sect of this new woke religion. Especially for liberal white people, white privilege is treated as a replacement for Christian original sin, and you can’t identify out of being white (unless you’re Rachel Dolezal) but you can identify out of being “cisgender”, thereby eliminating some of your evil privilege.
Anorexia/eating disorders. Like for example asian countries where they had virtually 0 cases suddenly had a massive boom of young girls having eating disorders all at the same time, all because they had reported on eating disorders in western countries in their local media.
Being skinny wasn't always the ideal, then suddenly it was. Suddenly you were "bad" if you're not skinny. If you didn't agree and said you think some curves look better you'd be ridiculed because obviously skinny was objectively sexier and everyone could see it! And during that time EDs had a boom.
Being trans wasn't always the ideal, then suddenly promoting it was. Suddenly you're boring and basic if you're cis. If you don't believe in trans ideology you're objectively wrong because everyone can see trans is totally real! And now there's a trans boom.
People become blinded by the current group think.
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I can't think of anything on this scale (probably because troons latched onto legitimate social justice movements for legitimacy), but pic related definitely rings true kek
Or maybe something like the hippie/counterculture movement of the 60s?
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Trans-formers are machines, no homo sapiens, Tim.
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Perfect pins from sane people to sane people!
No arguments hold up with TRAs because they're delusional, but that graph is just a bit of a joke about how nb seemingly came into existence the moment emo faded away. I think we can all see how emo kids of the past translate into the genderspecials of today.
Anyway if they bring up the whole>We always existed!!
nonsense you can always ask them how they existed without killing themselves as a child due to a lack of gender affirming treatments kek
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TRAs using the hashtag meant to display misogyny towards women to promote their mediocre art is peak online activism.
>>17932>nonsense you can always ask them how they existed without killing themselves as a child due to a lack of gender affirming treatments kek
Good point kek amazing how they all managed to "always" exist with this excruciating gender dysphoria, and according to them going from maybe 10 to a million troons in 2 years is totally natural and they're all valid
trans people. And all of them will kill themselves if they don't get life saving trans health care - so where were all those millions suicides before? Unless they want to argue it was easier to be trans/enby before modern times?
I had never realized how similar the TRA movement and Christianity are and also how esoteric their mantras sound. Absolutely devoid of logic but not chanting their mantras is basically social suicide. This also explains why the hadmaidens I was talking about in my post use "cis" (or their favorite "cishet") as something offensive and shameful kek. All the time I hear them say stuff like "ew I don't want to look cishet", "you're cis, you have it so easy so be happy you're not living in constant fear of getting hatecrimed", "trans people's existence is threatened every day, cis people are sooo spoiled and privileged" and so on. This whole circus has even come to a point where they are putting troons' feelings before our relationships. Calling me, their friend and relative, a bigot for not kissing the asses of random twitter trannies who say shit like "I will slice your throat open if you're a terf
and don't take my girlcock".
I got a bit carried away but yeah, thank you for the essays nonni, they gave me some insight and explained some things I was thinking better than I ever could.
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Posted this in the regular vent thread first but figured it fit better here.
I was a tomboy as a teen in the mid-to-late 2000's, when it was pretty popular for boys to look a bit more feminine, so I would occasionally be mistaken for a moid, this also happened a lot online because I apparently "wrote like a guy" (I still don't know what that means). And every time I got mistaken for one I felt this weird feeling of empowerment, like "haha, you thought I was a MAN? FOOL!", but I couldn't quite point out what it was that I enjoyed so much about it. While I have figured out that what I'm feeling is like gifrel, it makes me wonder if that is what some tifs and gendies think makes them not women.
>>17951>I had never realized how similar the TRA movement and Christianity are
Nta but I've noticed people who are religious are way more likely to buy into the trans ideology. The individual can even be atheist themselves, just being brought up in a family or culture where religion is valued seems to be enough. I'm guessing if you were brought up in an environment where they consciously or subconsciously teach you that "blind faith in things you don't understand" is good and the natural state of humans it rubs off on you whether you like it or not. Same reason people who have left a cult is more likely to end up in yet another one, they were primed for accepting those thought patterns. So having come from a Christian background makes it easy to fall victim
for a movement that functions similarly.
It's true on a wider scale as well, the nordic countries are seen as pretty "woke", some of the most supportive of LGBT stuff in the world, feminism etc… they should be like Canada and be a gender hellhole, but they instead were among the first to roll back on gender care when Canada doubled down. The main difference seems to be the general lack of religion and instead a belief in science. These are my own observations though, I could be wrong.
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Two online acquaintances of mine from different circles came out as TiMs. I'm SO frustrated.
kek the image is so true! If troons knew how much almost every single person in their life is lying to them they'd be shocked, even more so if they knew how many of their friends are secretly terfs/gender critical and talking about them behind their backs. It's what happens when you try to live a lie and want everyone to play along.
I had a falling out with a male (autist) friend recently but just before that he had expressed distress over one of his (very few) female gaming friends being kicked out of the group for "transphobia" towards one of the poor innocent troons in the group (who had naturally acted like an ass to her). Some others wanted to let her back in to the group, and my friend was mad and upset they wanted to take the transphobe back in just a year later. It delighted me to hear the others didn't care that much and wanted to let her back. And it delighted me to see her obviosuly-peaked-female posts that got her banned in the first place, knowing she was secretly a terf
in their pro-troonery gaming group for ages before she snapped and they found out.
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Had to unfollow this lesbian ig account today. Posted this dumbass shit about a man ID’ing as a butch lesbian and how much of a woman it makes him feel like. I wish I could go off in the comment section. It’s almost impossible to find lesbian positivity accounts that don’t post trannies. Absolutely disgusting.
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I content myself that we probably agree on the same things if I break it down enough but the terf
word is too scary to discuss anything. I want to peak a TRA friend so bad, she's so close yet so far… We got into a convo where she somehow understands lesbians into "afab ftms" but cant understand that lesbian means homosexual female and won't date tims lol.
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AYRT, I am, actually! Fellow Argentinian bi, are you single? Don’t break my heart.
TIMs are actually right that a ton of TIFs, especially they/them girlies, hate them and cannot detect terfy talking points to save their lives. It's funny to me more than anything, but also frustrating because it's like they're so close, but so far. At this point, TIFs are just nerdy women who self segregate by sex–I haven't heard a male voice on call in years and it's not even intentional, I just hang out in TIF-heavy online spaces and they are very female only kek. A lot of them honestly only seem interested in pronouns as an aesthetic thing, I've met a few irl and they all tense up if you use the pronouns in front of normies because it's just an online larp and they know it. Most of them aren't even GNC in any meaningful way, they're just fandom-brained women who are scared of men and don't talk to them, so their idea of gender is totally distorted by anime and other media. But they hate everything about TIMs, they just don't know it because TIMs are conceptual to them. Like so you hate incels, pathetic men, coomers, pedos, uwu animu catgirls, and sex pests who bother lesbians, but support TIMs? Nah. They support them in name only; it's easy to support people if you don't actually know anything about them. I just think it's hilarious that TIMs are constantly whining about the lack of asspats and saying they think TIFs don't see them as women deep down, and ime that's sooo true. Good, you love it to see it, seethe harder, go Aiden go, etc.
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Actually chudcel, youngshit trans women are hot and should shove their fun bags in my face immediately.
Why be scared of the trans girl when you can take her out on a date
Why be scared of men when they make decent friends(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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AYRT, sadly I'm not single, but I'm not in a stable or serious relationship either, lol. Kinda complex to explain here, tbh.
But if you'd like to get in contact, I would love to! I've been trying to meet more radfem adjacent womem/gc/terves, but it's been a bit difficult. Not to mention that most rad-leaning women I've met have no idea what Lolcow is, or don't know about Radblr either, kek. It would be refreshing to talk to someone with whom I have at least a bit more in common with.
No idea how we could get in contact, tho. Maybe a throwaway email would work? I guess it's kinda risky, but the nonnies in the friend finder thread have been doing that.
Quería dejar un meme argento pero sólo tenía pic related a mano, rip.
Yeah, I wish meeting other likeminded people wasn't as hard. Troons/handmaidens probably rejoice at that but ironically it just means those evil terves will still exist, only pretending to be nice to their face and/or befriending them as a last resort for socialization. They'd freak if they knew how many of their lovely friends are gc. I know we're out there, just gotta find a way to socialize. Art anon from above really nailed the average situation (ily art anon)
And sure! Friend Finder thread it is!
>>18288>i don't think that makes your opinions right leaning anyway?
No, but they're comparably more "right" than before, and I can actually see and understand some real rightist arguments now rather than dismissing them as "ignorant hateful lies". Like I get why they want guns when the government seems so untrustworthy and want to take your kid away if you don't sterilize them with hormones, I even get why they dislike the LGBT if all they every see is TRA, troons and depravity.
I'm somewhere in the middle, and I don't think I'll ever be able to venture far enough to either side to ever call myself left or right. I've seen too much of both sides.
Yup, same group that's obsessed with headcanons, cosplaying, larping etc… yet they can't see trans is just another costume for them.>>18314
It's not much, but any time I see a fandom person without pronouns in bio it peaks my interest, it's SO rare that the person has to be a little bit crypto.
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"This drawing has a lace with pink blue, pink and white! is the trans flag!"
I know headcanons are for fun but come on…
I will never forgive troons for ruining the color combo. Even after troons are rightfully exposed as a cult it will then instead have the sex pest cult tag for a while so then we still won't be able to use it.
The only good thing that flag has done is make it so I know who and what to avoid so I don't accidentally support child mutilation
I'm not especially close to either of them, it's a big extended family and I live out of state so I only see them one day every few years at family gatherings, but I'm trying to carefully peak mutual relatives that I see more often. It does make it more real when it's people you've known for decades and know more of the behind the doors stuff from the family grapevine.
The TIM cousin is obviously AGP to me. Acted like a typical straight man until coming out in his mid 30s. Conflicted between wanting to cringe and feel sorry for him. I guess at least his transition has been limited to cross-dressing/pronouns for now. I feel sorry for the mother of his kids though, she has a big heart and clearly loves them very much, but the 3 kids with him and 3 with her previous boyfriend is a lot to handle. Not that they need an AGP in their lives but 6 kids is a lot to raise on your own.
For the niece though (ok, looked it up, 2nd cousin is the technical term, and think of her as the generation below me due to the 20 year age difference), I really hope she ends up okay. It's so obvious to me that the first thing you should be looking into is the trauma of losing her mother… Her older teenage brothers were hiding her mother's mental health struggles to try to avoid losing their mother and most of us didn't realize the extent of things until pretty much the point that she lost custody. Going through that in the formative pre-teen years is obviously going to have major effects. Unfortunately it's hard to trust the Canadian mental health institutions, etc to investigate that line of reasoning with their blind affirmative care policy. I hope her dad is not so naive as to believe this is anything but a phase that she can grow out of as she overcomes the trauma and that he's more skeptical than he's letting on and just going along because he thinks as long as its just a social transition, it's harmless… But I don't really know my second cousin's dad, he wasn't in a relationship with her mother for very long. I'll have better luck by trying to go through mutual relatives (parents, aunts, grandparents) I think.
My brother works in tech and most of his colleagues are in the Bay Area. Four men out of like 50 at his workplace came out as trans in the past few years. Not sure how much of that is a Bay Area thing, or an autistic tech worker thing, or a social contagion, but it sure is a lot more than the 0.5% or whatever that is claimed.
They'd catch on too quickly I'm afraid, they're super obsessed with sniffing out cryptos to the point they think you're a crypto if you have search turned off on your Tumblr blog, if you have a Hogwarts house in bio, if you use the Labrys flag, etc. Like >>18326
said, no pronouns in bio is a good way to find cryptos (or a TIF who doesn't want to talk about it.)
Small town only counts for so much when it comes to these things. I live in a small town and there's still a LBGTQIA2+ lawn sign on every street. I don't get the sense of much militant TRA activity here like you might find on some university campuses, but there's still the well meaning but misguided allyship especially within the local newspapers, school boards, etc. that seems to permeate the political and media class and trickle down to teachers, mental health organizations, etc throughout the country.
Best you can hope for is your brother is peaked and his kids are well adjusted and side step all of this. I think there are hints that the broader societal winds are turning, but until then I guess you have to take it into your own hands.
It's not really a topic I want to talk about with my relatives, but I guess they have to be peaked somehow.
>>18366>she donates to a trans charity because of the "violence" they have to face every day. How about the violence women face everyday?
This pisses me off to no end because WHAT fucking violence are they talking about? They're statistically one of the LEAST attacked and killed groups on earth with like 400 at most getting murdered globally a year (and from reading news we know some of those were killed by other trans people). If you're a TRA this is fucking great news for them, but yet none of them acknowledge how safe it actually is for troons and keep painting them as victims
They're like flat earthers crying about falling over the edge of the earth, you show them an actual photo of the earth being round so they can feel safe and know they won't fall off and they just scream that it's a lie and the edge threat is real. There's nothing we can do for them because they're so delusional.
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This is one of the things that peaked me hard honestly. I was a nice proper TRA and mindlessly repeated the whole "trans women are one of the most at-risk populations for being murdered" talking point when I was a teenager and a woman on Reddit very simply replied, "That's not true, you've been misled." So I looked into it and was just so shocked at how low risk they are. Even the sites that cape for troons have a hard time stretching "32 in the US (out of 1.6 million) in 2022" to sound like a genocide. Especially when you realize the vast majority of them are killed by men in the context of prostitution, and the fact they lump in GNC people to inflate their numbers. They're counting on the fact that most people will rely on mental schemas about LGB people being vulnerable groups since they are obsessed with pretending we're the same. And picrel is from a source that actively capes for troons, so it's really telling even they can't argue they're the most oppressed people ever. I will say I have seen some brown/black trannies seethe at the wannabe anime catgirls for being extremely low risk and pretending otherwise, but it's still treated as "relative to me" rather than "relative to literally everyone they pretend to be oppressed by."
The breastfeeding/pregnancy fetishes are an easy way to peak moms in particular. I've watched women literally recoil in disgust when they first hear about it. You don't even have to point out they're fetishes, if you just tell (or better yet, show) them these men whining about wanting to breastfeed babies, they'll draw their own conclusions because none of them behaved that way about their own pregnancies/breastfeeding.
Also men know they're degenerates even if they pretend they don't, so if you just point out that self-identification laws mean any bepenised loser can access any bathroom/changing room with their wives/moms/daughters/sisters, they'll all automatically think of a man they know who is perverted enough to say they're a woman to gain access. In the words of a male family member I peaked, "Anyone who thinks men wouldn't do that doesn't know men."
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Seeing troons irl is just so comical. I was at this gaming event and got absolute whiplash hearing someone refer to this 6'2 neanderthal with a hulking brow and disgusting scrote shaped nose as "she". He was very thin and was wearing a cinched waist top close to picrel with a bright purple floral pattern at the bottom that looked so unfashionable, I was almost embarrassed for him. He had stringy estrogen curls and poorly done smokey eye make up. To top it off, he wore a powder blue and brown knit beanie, probably to cover his widow's peak hairline and bald spot. Like I'm really expected to pretend this absolute loser of a moid is anything close to female? I was already afraid of using the restroom in such a place.
There were other troons there, but I point this one out specifically because I realized he was in the event's discord channel with an extremely photoshopped/facetuned photo of himself as his profile picture and I laughed myself to sleep
>>18388>"Anyone who thinks men wouldn't do that doesn't know men."
I've seen so many people say it's ridiculous to think anyone who isn't a true honest trans would ever claim to be trans "because it's so hard for trans people", like how naive and stupid can you be? All a degenerate man have to do is literally to say "i'm trans" and then get unlimited access to women's spaces. Of course men will do that, men go in to abuse women even without being allowed so why wouldn't they make it even easier for themselves. Interestingly though, the argument used to come up A LOT, but I haven't seen it at all in the last 2 years or so.
Whenever my handmaiden friends brought up the argument I would ask them "Do you think there are more innocent transwomen in the world, or more cis men who lie and intentionally hurt women?". They've been told trans people are a tiny minority so obviously there are more cis men, and it allows them to accept that we can't just accept troons in women's spaces, but they don't (yet) have to face the thought that those groups are actually the same and it doesn't (yet) put the blame on the troons. So it's a nice way to make them think logically, without having to out yourself as a terf
or push them so far they shut off.
>>18454>i got told yesterday that i’m a right wing lapdog and that me saying ‘listening to trans people is what made me peak’ is a dog whistle.
lol it's literally just the truth! If troons acted and looked the way they say they do, few people would peak. But they don't look like beautiful fully passing petite little girls who just happen to have been born with a dick which has now been replaced with a fully functioning totally real vagina. At BEST they look and sound like a glammed up drag queen, srs is really rare (and reading their own words they go wrong 99% of the time) and the majority of them have "euphoria boners" from doing anything they consider feminine and want to have sex with "cis" women only. And they all act, think and talk like any other man. Or if it's tif, like any other woman.
>these people have their fingers in their ears and are screaming lalalala when we’re genuinely trying to reason with them.
You really truly can't reason with a cult member, and it's NOT your job to save them nona. If they ever see the light it will be when they themselves are ready for it. The best thing you can do is to distance yourself from them for your own good and peak casual supporters or people who are mostly unaware of troons. Start with family and friends. I like being honest to these people, and exaplaining the whole cult aspect and that my woke friends would never speak to me again if I said "female sex-based rights are important" because they're literally in a ideology that mimics a cult.
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Got so annoyed I have to sperg about it somewhere without shitting up any threads. I know I shouldn't even use Reddit, but I just popped in to check something and this was the first thing I saw. You just cannot fucking avoid this shit online, it's everywhere. POTS is infamously understudied and dismissed due to medical misogyny. More than 85% of sufferers are female, typically young adult women. It's almost funny how obvious sex differences are, and how cognizant they clearly are of this (why are transmascs the ones with POTS? Fascinating!), but it's also just infuriating because they are actively making it harder to acknowledge and address illnesses that affect women by refusing to even be called women. Like this isn't something small, I've watched the literature for POTS pivot from being woman-centric to adding a billion disclaimers about how it's totally not a women's issue at all (which doesn't actually help get research done because doctors still see them and treat them like women–that is to say, like they're hysterical and stupid.) So now you cannot even talk about it in any online community because they'll rush to Aidensplain how it's so harmful to call it a women's issue.
Plus this meme is just annoying. First, women do take spiro for acne and other reasons, stop trying to make it a TIM thing. Second, POTS is something involuntary, whereas TIMs choose to go on hormones for their fetish. Third, it takes 5-11 years for most women to get a POTS diagnosis, whereas TIMs can get prescribed HRT the same fucking day they walk in. Even when TIFs try to show solidarity with TIMs, this is all they can come up with? "We both like salty foods because I have an incurable autonomic disorder, and you want to be a kawaii catgirl!" Fuck off. Like I know this is just some retarded munchie-heavy genderspecial micro-community and it should not induce this much rage in me, but after a flare up this morning, I am just extra irritable. Stop ruining pickles! Reeee
TBF nona, men on discord will try to milk any and all feminine-looking profiles on discord for coom-worthy content without giving it much thought wether the account owner has a penis or not.
I've seen so many young heterosexual men do the e-naughty with the worlds most obvious troons kek, and then have total meltdowns when the troon exposes themselves.
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Someone submitted this secret to F!S and my first thought was "Oh OP said 'women' instead of 'people with uterus'. Cannot wait to see the trannies go 'acthuali'".
Same anon here. I’ve realized that at this point, putting your pronouns in your email signature in higher education (and probably other woke workplaces ig?) has become the 2020s equivalent of saluting the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance, or standing up for the National Anthem at a baseball game. There’s no material effect whether you do it or not, but it’s a very publicly visible demonstration of whether you’re onboard with the current fashionable ideology or not. (The 2 examples I cited, the pledge and the anthem, probably aren’t as much of a big deal anymore, at least in woke states, but I’m sure that showing your loyalty to American patriotism in that way was a much bigger deal during the Red Scare in the 1950s.) And just like saluting the flag, there are probably plenty of people who think it’s bullshit but do it anyway because it’s easier to go along with the current ideology than risk getting called out for not following the crowd.
While I’m on the subject, land acknowledgments at the start of events in higher education are basically a woke secular version of an opening prayer. Land acknowledgments don’t actually do anything (other than make rich white educated liberals feel a little better about their white guilt), much in the same way that Christian prayers at the start of a meeting don’t actually do anything (if you’re in a meeting you’re not actively engaged in following Jesus’ commandments to feed the poor, for example). If universities actually cared about helping Native Americans they’d give them all free tuition, or give some of their precious campus real estate to a local tribe, for example.
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They are so retarded I don't even know what to say at this point. Like how do you even come to this conclusion. Grim
what's not hurting anyone? the drawing or people's "transmasc-ing"? Because I'd argue both can hurt.
The drawing can hurt the same way a drawing glorifying nazis can hurt, it promotes a sick evil ideology (both of which experiment on children).
A person claiming the transmasc label, which is a purely ideological/religious label, also hurt people by promoting the evil ideology. A normal woman would just put on her hoodie and go out, the ideologist sees it as a ritual to have more "male gender essence" and demands everyone else plays along.
>>18663>this is the fault of terfs
i wouldn't be worried about posts like this because they're only preaching to the choir and circle-jerking. normal people don't give a fuck about their whining and anyone who actually looks into terfs quickly find out it's all lies
it makes a lot of sense to use it but at this point its kind of like painting a big red terf
target on your back since troons hate the idea of any woman being even remotely sexually unavailable to them. apparently people have been banned from dating apps for having it in their bio, so yeah, probably not the way to go unfortunately…
I fucking never wish the word 'dogwhistle' got popular. Everything is a dogwhistle now. I've been accused of it for the most random shit, and not even like, questioned just outright demonized. I don't even know what the fuck I did. It happens all the time. I'm pretty sure these people just use the word 'dogwhistle' to harass whoever they feel like, funnily enough, it's usually minorities they harass. So progressive of them!
Referencing this >>18663
This is an example of this bullshit. They get pissy about women wanting to be treated like human beings, so they shut them up by crying wolf. Then, naturally, women are blamed for the actions of shitty men. It's always the woman's fault somehow. There's not even a direct connection made; they just say the TERFs did it. I can't wait until all this shit blows over. If it's any consolation though, I've seen even my liberal groups pipe down a little about troons. Just a little bit. I've seen even the most troon crazed groups have little moments of doubt or gaps in attention. I've heard whispers of discontent in even the most heavily troon dominated areas. We may finally be free of this shit. I give it 2 years.
I know the pain nona, many of my friends would literally ignore everything good about me and throw me in the trash if I told them my views on troons.
I sometimes try to redirect their anger closer towards the truth, little by little. If they talk about transphobia I will try to switch it to "they're not even really transphobic, they just hate women and femininity". Or point out things like "honestly i think they've never even heard of trans people, they're fuelled purely by homophobia because they see them as gay people. Otherwise they'd just see a neutral man/woman who they have no problem with." I only do it in private conversations with them, never in a group
Maybe you should write in your dating profile that your favorite book is Harry Potter, or mention what Hogwarts house you belong to. Hopefully that will keep the genderspecials away from your profile and attract fellow TERF
or at least normie lesbians.
I had an introductory meeting for my new job today, halfway through, the hiring manager goes "pronouns are really important to us here" and we all had to share our pronouns. Damn it. I was hoping this wouldn't happen but the company is more woke than I thought. I'm worried about my coworkers' opinions if they find out I detransitioned. ugh.
Most everyone in my life is fully onboard the trans train, there's just no escape. I know so many people (almost all women) who identify as nonbinary and go off about how hard it is when people misgender them because they "want to be seen as just a person, not as a woman" and all the allies nod along. Some of these women have also had the gall to say shit like "trans folx like us" to me, and act like we had similar situations. Fuck no, I was on t for years and it fucked with my health, I changed my documents and everything. This is literally just a larp for them which they can drop at any fucking time. My sister identifies as nonbinary and is in an open relationship with a no-effort trans "girl". I met the guy and had no idea he identified as trans if it weren't for the she/her pronoun shit. She complains to me about him sometimes, like apparently he flies off the handle at every little comment (had a breakdown when she suggested a different shade of nail polish), wants to be a lesbian housewife, lives with his nesting partner gf, no full time job, and has a history of random casual sex with men on grindr. It takes all my restraint not to scream about how toxic this asshole sounds whenever she tells me about him. I can't even vent to my boyfriend because his response is always like "just be kind." I'm just so tired.
>>18777>I wonder how long troonism will take to die down in niche hobbies that have a lot of autistic people
It's been discussed before but autists are the ones to go in 100% thinking it's all true, but then among the first to peak/peak the hardest. The majority of outspoken detrans people are on the spectrum, and statistically they're only like 10% of all trans people at most (still a big over-representation as they're only 1-2% of the general population).
Might be part of that black/white thinking they're said to have. So I think it will be fine save for small clusters of extreme autists that will take a bit longer, and those groups are the ones that would be real life full time furries and vampires even before the trans trend was a thing.
The ONLY group that will never change are the trans parents that irrevocably harmed their own child(/ren) in the name of trans. They can't ever admit to themselves that they did that because the reality of it is too cruel and hurtful. They're the real long-term danger. Those kids love their parents (think Jazz Jennings) and working through the trauma and admitting they were never trans and instead hurt by their parents "supportive" action is near impossible for a (mentally delayed through puberty blockers and hrt) child. And admitting it directly to those parents who made their child's trans identity their whole life is so hard most of them would rather pretend to be trans their whole lives than admit it was all a mistake.
>>18780>I'm worried about my coworkers' opinions if they find out I detransitioned.
I think it would be a good reality check for them to meet a detransitioner. Just be honest and open. You can explain how you were hurt and groomed into it without directly saying that's the case for everyone who's trans. But still never say bs pandering like "twaw" and "but other trans ppl are valid
". Casually talk about how you were lied to when they said tomboy traits or disliking sexism mean you're not a woman etc
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Speaking of autism and troons, get a load of this reddit post.
As you can well imagine, the TIMS that now dominate that sub came out in full force with scolding, patronizing dissertation length comments using Orwellian language to try to gaslight OP… a lot of stuff about how "biology is actually really complex" etc etc.
And they actively were trying to gaslight OP into thinking she's a TIF because she doesn't understand what "feeling like a woman" means.
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This is the new mod of that sub, which some of you might remember from back when it was a chill as fuck sub with the Daria picture…. as of today the post has been taken down but this person annoys the shit out of me and has ever since they took over the sub - basically they harassed the administrators until they allowed them to take it over.
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Along with endless paragraphs of "eDuCaTe YoUrSeLf SwEaTy" was what is possibly the single dumbest fucking comment I've ever seen on Reddit.
I know I should have posted this in the Reddit hate thread but it's close to bump limit, might repost in the new one.
But frankly the whole thread pissed me off so badly I couldn't sleep last night… yes I am Mad on the Internet
God, you can tell she's an autistic woman by the way she just assumes it's her own fault she can't force herself to not see a woman as a woman, even I did (subconciously) when I was a TIF, and they all saw me as a woman too. We all know, you're just not allowed to say so, and even then, we'd slip up all the time. It's sheer, unadulterated larp and I hate the fact she's walking on eggshells to try and gaslight herself into truly believing, not even just tolerating, some psuedo-religious idea about gendered souls. >>18803
Actually this really is a perfect analogy because it's so unrelentingly retarded that you'd have to be the dumbest most controlling motherfucker alive to actually insist people tell you your hair is naturally pink when you know damn well you dyed it.
>>18829>Obama is a porch monkey and his wife is a troon.
Not even American but what the fuck does this even mean?
Coping mega racist white troons and moids in general always try to argue black women are "masculine" and less than women. It's a racist larp that hopes to pit women against each other and reinforce the default position of rape apes as it's fetishized white supremacy. All males try to reinforce this racist larp too even if it means treating their own family and closest friends as subhuman. It shouldn't be paid any attention to at all and even dignified with a response. These insane racist males aren't trying to have a conversation; they know black women are women. They're trying to reinforce and dignify their casual inhumanity and subhuman fetishes.
Even though I live in a pretty liberal city, I hadn’t really ran into many TIMs, but I had my first experience with one the other night.
I went to a party and there was this fairly attractive, masculine-looking, guy with medium length wavy blond hair tied back in a low ponytail. He was dressed in a t-shirt and cut-off shorts. I think he might have been on the shorter end, but I don’t remember.
Ngl, I was sort of interested in him until I asked one of my male enby friends his name and they said it was “Emily” and that “she’s, like, one of the hottest lesbians in [liberal city]. There’s no girl that can resist her”.
It’s so retarded. That’s a dude. That’s just a normal skater-looking dude that calls himself Emily. He gets girls because he’s a good-looking guy.
I know my friends are TRAs/sip the enby koolaid, but jfc. It’s weird because besides the troon thing, I like to think my friends aren’t complete idiots? How can they tell me with a straight face that this guy is a lesbian?
It was a slow movement that started decades ago, but it only escalated recently because of niche internet communities.
I honestly think tumblr did a lot of harm by practically inventing the gender "spectrum" and non-binary identities. And that's where the female social justice part of it started that's so harmful. It started at least 10 years ago though (the pandemic didn't have much to do with it at all imo other than of course more kids being more on social media and getting groomed, but the whole movement was already going strong).
Then places like 4chan and reddit spread the AGP and coomer degenerate parts of it in their corners to males.
Mine said that they didn’t necessarily disagree with me about gender but since gender wasn’t abolished yet the only way they could survive in this world was to keep being TIFs
Granted this was almost a decade ago and I’ve said nothing about it in years and just let them assume I’ve drank the Kool-Aid, with one of them deciding that I’m agender and me not caring enough to argue. I’m pretty sure now they’d call me a fascist and ditch me if I told them what I thought.
I’ll try not to give too many details as to not imply location or actors, but something hilarious happened… If positive venting is such a thing.
>chatting with friend, who belongs to a local, closed off community for fans of a piece of media. Tells me a recent story:
>fan club decides to meet for a special occasion
>meeting scheduled to be at a themed place about the media. Media is family friendly, so parents actually take their children to the cafe sometimes.
>event organizer decides to invite a friend (male) who is not part of the fan club.
>arrives wearing fishnets, a skirt so short half his ass showed, and massive plaftorm heels
>discusses being a whore with members of the fan club
>friend tells me at some point he drops something and when picking it up his skirt is so short she can actually see his balls inside a thong, which makes her disturbed
>everyone in the meeting is uncomfortable but keeps it to themselves, because tranny
>two weeks pass
>the place complained to the event organizer
>parents complained to the event organizer
>event organizer cuts tranny off for good, apologizes to members, says tranny had never dressed like this and only presented as male until that day, doesn’t understand what happened but he’s probably a genderspecial
>fan club sets a dress code and bans discussion of gender from the group
My friend has been committing increasing wrongthink since then and more shamelessly. I’ve noticed a pattern where meeting an AGP tranny in the wild tends to really get under people’s skin and fast track them to peak, which is fucking hilarious. (The same thing happened to me). Mashallah this keeps happening. Also I feel sad the event organizer was blamed for the troon’s actions, but I’m glad she had it in her to cut him off and prevent that from happening again.
This trans bullshit has only served to high light to me how big of a difference there is between me and my straight friends and family members. I see them all supporting troons and queers in a kinda awkward out of touch straight person way. I can't entirely blame them for it, but I know they're just self-interested straight people. I don't have any issue with it; I just wish they'd be honest about it. I think it's actually caused long term damage in how they have lied to themselves for so long. I hate how isolated I feel now. Before I still felt like I was mostly normal and generally accepted as just another person, I didn't feel so different from everyone else. Now I just feel like I'm separated from all my loved ones by an invisible wall. I still regularly hang out with people, but I can never be open or honest with them anymore, I don't trust them. They're all extremely pro-trans save for a few mildly skeptical ones. I can never communicate with them how trans people treat gays and bisexuals away from the general public's view. I've actually been in a violent and dangerous domestic abuse situation with an older family member, and oddly enough, it feels a lot like that. A problem I hide from my friends for reasons I can't describe. I won't say a word about this to any of my loved ones. I'll just wait for it to die, because that worked out before when I was a kid, why not now? I see the cracks forming anyways.
I could show the people close to me how trans people are treating gays and bisexuals, and maybe some would even believe me, but they won't ever stop being sympathetic to them until they are burned by it. I don't want to start any drama with my friends anyways. I'm friends with all moids, mainly because I'm just very masculine and into male dominated hobbies. Autism, and all. They don't understand what it's like to be biologically female and the threats that are present. They think tims are just tragic oppressed women because they've never been sent homophobic hate speech or rape threats. I trust them, but I don't really expect them to be very understanding. There are mainly two people who are the most openly pro-trans, and I've actually been afraid of them trooning before, but luckily nothing happened, and now I see it being far less likely. Crisis averted, I guess. I think having a social life and actual biological females in your life you talk to might discourage trooning in males, but maybe I'm just naive or self important. I've had two people close to me troon out before and even a brother who gave warning signs, but I think that myself and my social circle might've made it out of the troon trend with only two casualties, which is actually quite impressive.
NTA but TIMs also accelerated my peaking when I interacted enough with them online.
I was a turbo-coomer myself too, unfortunately I had a porn addiction for a very long time and was a pickme and troon supporter. I even tolerated and liked some futa and tranny porn, it was that bad. But not even I
could stand the level of mental illness and porn obsession as those scrotes who every single day, all day long, talked about sissification, turning into a "slut", shared their nudes, demeaned themselves calling themselves and each other female terms, were into pedo shit, and so on. They showed me on their own that it is
a fetish and that their fetish is entirely based on misogyny and pedophilia.
I coped with the facts so many times, telling myself I wasn't being understanding enough to them and that they're just suffering a lot and depressed so I should tolerate their sex obsession, until I finally got sick of it all and then it clicked: they're just like any other male, especially incels.
What I would like to know is how the hell it spread from Tumblr to the mainstream. We all know Tumblr played a part in it, but it's still a mystery to me how a bunch of terminally online girls making new genders up for fun ended in trannyism being officially promoted by medical institutions worldwide.>>18916
I was reading an article about an airplane crash that happened in my country, and ended up watching some videos about airplane accidents. I would've never realized that the owner of that YT channel recently trooned out, if it wasn't for the comments, since he has such a male voice making no effort to sound female. He has a side channel where he uploaded this video about his autism.
Gruesome plane disasters are such a stereotypical male interest kek.
Every moid with a strong interest in something troons out I'm so sick of it
>>18933>but it's still a mystery to me how a bunch of terminally online girls making new genders up for fun ended in trannyism being officially promoted by medical institutions worldwide.
It's insane really, and it makes me feel scared for other areas. What other pop-culture pseudoscience have reputable institutions adopted for no reason without us knowing?
Trans ideology followed the previous big social justice topic of race. Then they basically just swapped the talking points to be about gender. People had already been primed to accept critical race theory as truth so it was easy to convince them to accept it again in a different context. Racism is accepted as bad, so surely transphobia is just as bad if everyone says so. (You can see other movements such as the "fatphobia" movement use this tactic too, they now unironically say fatphobia is actually rooted in racism.)
We also have to remember they didn't start out as insane as they are now. They gradually moved the goal post. Initially it was just "We have gender dysphoria and to help alleviate it we transition to the other sex.", nonbinary wasn't a thing, demigender wasn't a thing, transwomen weren't women, gender wasn't a spectrum.
It's why it doesn't matter what people do to accomodate trans people, because it will never be enough for them no matter what. If we could perfectly replicate a working female body medically and let them all have it, they'd just insist they get transplants from real women instead, that they have a legal right to access to our real female bodies.
The moving of the goalpost is also why it's SO easy to get someone to fall into the trans trap. You can pick and choose how far down the cult you go for each point and it doesn't matter that the points contradict themselves. It's extrememly common to hear a TRA or troon say "trans women are women!" only to in the next breath say "well of course we know we're not biological women, nobody said that you idiot". You can't argue with them because they literally don't use any consistency or logic and they don't even care to try.
I'm someone who thinks dialogue is important. But you really can't do that with TRA. All you can do is listen, take what they say and show it to others and talk about them that way. By FAR the best way to peak people is to just have them see what trans people are actually saying and doing.
>>18935>What other pop-culture pseudoscience have reputable institutions adopted for no reason without us knowing?
AYRT, I just realized that the reason this happened is not because of Tumblr, or at least, that wasn't the main reason and, at most, Tumblr was a propaganda platform to indoctrinate those terminally online girls with an ideology that already existed before.
Someone in the MtF thread recently shared this:https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers
So there was already support for trans ideology in those institutions through powerful degenerates with tons of money to promote their fetish, completely separate from Tumblr retardation.
Let's also remember that transsexuals were a thing even in the 20th century, so they've been pushing for "trans rights" since then (but as you said, gradually moving the goalpost). The only thing Tumblr contributed was gullible idiots to propagandize, Tumblr girls weren't the ones pulling the strings or convincing whole medical organizations and even the government to promote gender theory in the mainstream. They merely just helped spread the word among young people on the internet. There were definitely tranny propagandists on Tumblr spreading the ideology in the early days.
>Racism is accepted as bad, so surely transphobia is just as bad if everyone says so
Don't forget how the LGB movement was co-opted by TRAs. People were starting to accept gays and lesbians, then troonies realized they could piggyback off of that, so they added themselves to the LGB. It's just like being gay, they say (even though being gay just requires accepting yourself as you are, and being trans involves mutilating yourself and pumping experimental drugs into your body)
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Because those 'terminally online girls' were teenagers who went to college, got careers, and spread this stuff. They confronted their professors and banded together with fellow Tumblrites. They wrote dissertations on gender and connected with other transgender studies people who had been there since the 90s. They entered academia, the non-profit sphere (this is a huge one), corporate. Remember for years the average tumblr user was basically a nerdier pinterest user, not a shutin. Basically, they grew up and spread their ideology.
The internet part of this really started with the feminist blogs and livejournals. Before that, transgender theory was limited to academia, and transgenders online were mostly MIT guys with an intense crossdressing fetish. "Intersectional feminist blogs" wanted to bring the theory into the mainstream and livejournal and nerdy spaces were a great way to do that. "Intersectional" means you can't just talk about women, you have to talk about every group, including trans. There were some early influential trans blogs in the intersectional sphere - check out archives of "TransGriot", who I think is HSTS. Julia Serano's book "Whipping Girl" also became gospel in these circles.
Tumblr finished what Blogspot and Livejournal started - take third-wave intersectional feminist and digitally spread it to the masses, especially nerdy spaces. Picrel is from 2009, a black woman asking a black MtF how women can support 'transwomen.'
samefag but you can find the link here: https://transgriot.blogspot.com/2009/03/monica-speaks-at-womanist-musings.html?m=1
> I see womanists as being far more willing to accept and embrace us as friends, get to know our issues, and intelligently realize that we have many things in common.
One of the more interesting things here is the willingness to call themselves by the label 'transwomen', which is verboten nowadays, and the idea that MtFs and women "have many things in common," not that they are the same thing. If the trans had kept this same attitude (we're not the same thing, we just have common interests) and recognized that not every branch of feminism needs to include, let alone focus on them, then none of this would have happened. They could have happily stayed with the libfems and focused on ending violence against prostitutes while radfems would basically just focus on women and not really pay attention to them. But of course, even in these halcyon days they can't help but hate anyone who calls out that the medical industry claiming to 'create' women is misogynistic:
> Feminists, and particularly the radical feminists are still clinging to the 'hate on transwomen'. screeds uttered by Janice Raymond, Germaine Greer, Mary Daly and others.
And here's one that reads very differently in 2023. As shown by this thread, this works very poorly if the 'transwomen' are misogynistic and don't care about women's issues. Which, frankly, seeing this person complain that there's a branch of feminism that doesn't focus on transwomen, shows me even in 2009 they were just pretending to be down with the cause because they needed libfems on their side.
> One is form friendships with transwomen. You'd be amazed how much you do have in common with transwomen and how much we desire to be full partners with cisgender women.
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One day we will have to confirm that no matter how sympathetic the expressions of gender dysphoria are, they have no sense in logic.
The agreement of ‘passing’ as a goal for these men are founded in very simplistic, uncharacteristic models of “women” that are dyed by THEIR OWN perspectives of women. The beautiful, naked, exaggerated thinly form of woman.
Show a picture of a facially and body-heavy hair, like one of our natural genetics or developments like PCOS. Of our big shoulders, feet and muscles. You will see no sympathy and acknowledgment; it’s not their picturesque woman, which they claim as proof of their strived female sex. I am done of this lie.
Their whole movement is based on reinforcing sex stereotypes while pretending and claiming to do the opposite. They can't win even if they get their way because if nothing is gendered they can't be male, female nor gender-neutral. If for example a dress isn't "for women" tims have no reason to wear them, it wouldn't make them look "more female" than other men, give no gender euphoria, no skirt go spinny, no help in passing. A tif couldn't refuse to wear it to look "less female" or wear it while pretending to be "a heckin gender norm breaking boy in a dress uwu".
If you can't ever tell what gender someone is or what sex or their chromosomes, then their truly exists nothing to base their movement on. How can gender euphoria exist if no one can tell anything about gender? "I feel like a girl/boy" would mean nothing without gender stereotypes.
>>18898>>18905>I honestly think tumblr did a lot of harm by practically inventing the gender "spectrum" and non-binary identities.
Those weren't all invented on tumblr though, the concept of genderqueer has existed long before tumblr.
On online spaces I think livejournal and deviantart fandom and furry communities were the first places the current type of trans community started to develop, when compared to the usual creepy lonely agp males who had some small forums and the common gay trannies. Sure you had the creepy agps and so on in furry spaces too but from there you got bunch of younger people and teenage girls to participate in this shit, like you had the animal avatars so you know I guess imagining you are different sex goes with that and furries are pervert degenerates so trannyism is pretty much given. At deviantart you had the proto-aiden fujos, and at livejournal you had small social justivce groups and fandom brough these all together.
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Fide (International Chess Federation) bans trans women from women's chess tournaments.
Redditors are losing it:https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/15syv2g/fide_effectively_bans_trans_women_from/
>>18977>Doesn't change the fact they grew up with male privilege and reaped the benefits that it had to offer.
It's also just not true that they as men need more visibility and face more hardships than women. But if they're gonna say cis women are soooo oppressive and mean give them their own trans space then so they can be safely away from us. They could argue gay men and mentally delayed people face unique hardships, but putting the gays and disabled men in the women's section to protect them from other men is not the solution nor fair to women.
Glad they banned them tho kek we love to see it
I'm so fucking tired of troons ruining everything. They basically ruined my life by grooming my 12 year old self into thinking I was a true & honest man and not a gnc woman who had been sexually abused. They told me to lie to doctors. I feel like I lost 8 years of my life stuck in this cult and echo chamber, I lost my breasts, my skin texture, my singing voice, so many of my friends, I developed endo, PCOS and addictions (because after several years of medical transition, all troons still know deep down they will never be born with the chromosomes they wanted and all you can do is chase the perfect camouflage harder and harder, so you mimic it in addictive behavior too).
I was part of the problem of "ruining everything". I see it now more than ever, every fucking thread on every fucking social media that exists, they have to make it about them one way or another, or handmaidens and chaser coomer males (and everyone else who's scared of being cancelled) have to shoehorn in a heckin valid disclaimer to include troons even if they're talking about a completely unrelated hobby. I hate this retarded psyop so much, I hate my friends trooning out when they perfectly saw how much it ruined me and how miserable I was when I was there, I hate people defending "top surgery" and poisoning women with hormones as casual fun things that are totally reversible.
I hate it so much when people tell me to "just ignore it" and look elsewhere. I already quit most social media because I don't want to run into it. I don't even wanna talk about it, I never bring it up with anyone who's not close, it's not like I'm trying to campaign for how I'm feeling about this. I can't install enough browser extensions and blacklist enough words everywhere to shut them up, they always have to find a way somehow to make it back, because gender is all they have. It's their entire identities, life plans, interests, it all revolves about how trans and kweer they are, how much degen sex they're having and how "gender" this or that is. How can it be all they ever talk about? It's so fucking bleak. It's like they've had all personality and humanity sucked out of them. They have no hobbies outside of "gender" and consuming media. I feel both like I'm one of the sane ones and like I'm going insane when around them. And having to pretend I'm okay with it or at the very least not say anything is exhausting.
I can't wait for it to die off as a fad, but I'm not excited to be the one all my former friends - who ghosted and blocked me when I came out as detrans - come crying to because I was right and I'll be the one to understand. It's already begun happening and I want to disappear. Even after years of coming to my senses it's like it keeps getting worse. And I was already ashamed to be one of them in the mid 2010's. This decade is gonna see a fucking tidal wave of women groomed into believing their internalized misogyny/SA/homosexuality/autism meant they were men as teens coming out in droves with this irreversible medical trauma and damage. And there'll be no support, no community, no financial help to go back, there was never any of this for these women that wasn't a front for a fridge temp IQ politically-motivated TPUSA campaign, asking them to put the clown nose on and parade.
The real "trans kids" that need protection are these women, and it breaks me that inevitably a lot of them will cave from the pain of detransitioning and kill themselves. I'm refraining from doing it so that no troons or moids can ever use my still-lukewarm corpse to make a point.
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>people calling this moid "a queen"
>"I'm a lesbian but I swing both ways when it’s funny" so homophobic but so funny!"
And they call themselves more "progressive"?
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This is so true, I'm tired
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if you didn't know this already, this is ripping off a very popular existing joke.
It makes me genuinely upset to see so many young women trying to run away from reality by deluding themselves into being she/they, he/they, they/them or whatever is coded as "not a woman!". I usually saw these in weird autistic profiles, but now I've seen in so many profiles of women in their early 20s that look like normies. The amount of talented artists that I used to follow that suddenly are "not women anymore! I'm totally a he/him!" is ridiculous. I don't feel angry at them as individuals, but I feel upset that "not being a woman" is the new solution being sold to them.
I empathize with them, I used to hate the reality too, I wished it would be different and I understand how tempting it sounds to just change a pronoun and think it will fix some of the problem, but it won't. Running away from reality won't fix anything, it will only make it worse over time. I used to pretend I was male on the internet and on online games, until this day I won't say my gender unless it's necessary. It was a pleasant experience to "run away" from things for a moment, but it's a very limited, it's not a solution by any means, it's a copying mechanism at best that is short lived.
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i'm so tired of gender holy shit these boring faggots
I started accepting reality as much as it hurt, because I knew not being a woman wasn't an option. So many things in my life I wished could be different, I still hate many aspects, but I've learned to direct the hatred where it's deserved and it's not on what I am. The problem isn't being a woman, it's the men who abuse us, it's the culture that makes us hate our bodies, it's the lack of proper support for our needs and so it goes. I can still hate the reality without hiding from it, accepting it doesn't mean enjoying every aspect of it. I don't have a solution, that's why I empathize with them, I understand how they got there, I understand it's frustrating, but clinging to a delusion hurts more long term. It's like being high, yeah it's great for a few hours, but when reality comes back it's dreadful and depressing, makes you want to go deeper and deeper into the hole.
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he's straight woman bait i guess that's why
Me too nona. I'm now strangely proud to never have rejected the label of girl/woman through all this. I was always a tomboy and got diagnosed with autism as an adult, I'm a prime target basically. I think there's something beautiful in never having given up on females, of always knowing we're good enough as we are and that running away from yourself is impossible no matter who you are. I see now that the "evil terfs" I saw in my handmaiden days were just tired girls and women, doing their best to keep people like me safe from harm, all while getting insulted and villified. I regret every single activism post I reblogged or liked back on tumblr.
I have a lot of compassion towards those who got lured into transitioning and still made it out the other way. It takes a lot of strength to go against the cult once you and all your friends are in it, you suddenly have so much more to lose. Even just admitting you were wrong (which I as a handmaiden also had to do) can be super fucking hard. That's why I don't think "exploring gender" for kids and teens is as harmless as people try to make it out to be. It's also a lie, because you're not exploring gender at all. You're really just experimenting with fashion and presentation. It's not that hard to say "I'm not really into the semi-goth style anymore, I'm trying out cottage core now" but to say "actually my entire world view was wrong, I know I was super adamant that you call me Dave and that I'm a boy but please go back to my real name, I was wrong about everything" takes so much introspection, humility and bravery. Because that's embarrassing to admit. And you have to do it to EVERYONE, including everyone who told you that you were wrong and that it's just a phase, and people who sacrificed their own friendships to protect you. And that's before anything medical is even part of it yet.
Perhaps not as pressing as the trans issue but I feel like it's all connected… I think the next social contagion for girls that should be looked into is that SO many girls claim to be asexual. I see comments about "as an aroace person…" and they've all got thousands of likes and comments agreeing. Girl unless you were a trans victim who was put on puberty blockers as a child, and then wasn't given any replacement hormones whatsoever and is now incredibly mentally stunted as a result I highly doubt that's true. You've just been told that female sexuality is the same as being a horny slut 24/7, that you gotta be "sex positive" and that the natural repulsion to it isn't super common, enough so for most societies in the world to have sex as a taboo topic. Like if prostitution is icky to you you're told you're slutshaming and incorrectly saying sex work isn't real work, some gross twisted shit like that. Either you're a terrible slutshaming bigot, or you're just a valid ace person.
A lot is from the same thing as the tifs come from. Girls trying to escape being seen as sexual objects for men, with a touch of hatred for all the other girls who are sluts (and thus making YOU seem like a slut too, how dare they). You're deeper and more special because you only care about personality. I'm not sure if it actually plays a role, but I'm not discounting that it could also be a medical issue happening from something we're not considering, like perhaps childhood obesity also later greatly decreases libido in the adult.
It can't JUST be stress and insecurity that causes it because pretty much every generation has had that. Other generations went through fucking war and still made it out with functioning sexualities, you know? The last generation that went through the eating disoder era still made it out. There's clearly a social contagion aspect to the ace epidemic too. A big part is that these girls are told being asexual is natural and valid, just like how being gay or trans is, rather than an extremely unnatural uncommon medical condition that should be looked into if it's true. But then 90% of them still go on to say "oh I love reading smut, I just don't want to do the sexy things myself". You ain't asexual then, because you enjoy and seek out sexually stimulating things. Just because it doesn't involve others directly doesn't mean it's not sexually motivated.
Really annoying how every time there's some sort of "women in x" visibility boosting campaign it ends up full of TIFs. When asked they'll usually say that it's because they still experience misogyny… Which is true, but isn't it evil TERF
rhetoric to say that sex-based oppression exists?
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Not that much of a rant but it's always creeped me out how all tifs seem to have obvious porn addictions. Even the ones who posted on farms like Rita seemed to be pornsick. I think this is because of the testosterone and other mental disorders they have.
On the spoilered pic, trans identitified women have posted their pictures and begged men to play along their very pornsick humiliation fetishes.
That actually makes me sad for her. I hope she doesn't get taken advantage of by someone with ill intentions>>19200
Absolutely disgusting. I'll never understand why they so badly wanna be misgendered though, I've never seen similar behavior in tims, maybe these tifs aren't as willing to be seen as men(at least sexually) as they pretend they are?
Lol I saw this sub two years ago. They were saying they want to be raped.
This is who I got grouped with because I mentioned that I hate dick suckers and womanhood and made someone sperg all over the website neurotically about "ftms" while I have nothing in common with those females that are exactly like any other woman on earth. Imagine getting this mad and accusing me of the things I said I hate while all other women do those things. I used to engage with this girl on other website who made up a lie about me being a "self hating ftm" bc of me saying blackpilled things while I never even hated myself or mentioned desire to transition or never identified as trans while she's a self proclaimed "male brained" perverted woman. Then I got a bunch of neurotic messages from gc bitches who shit themselves at the mention of ftms and started taking how actually I am not manly but the most feminine weak woman they ever encountered. Kek. Absolute obsessed retards and all these people who got mad at me for being blackpilled in my life turned out to be evil hypocrites or sluts. And what's funny about the the women who were ok with bp is that at the same that time suddenly started getting pissy about it they were turning into masochistic sluts. I remember this one misandrist who one day got mad about me and then it turned out that she had a priv acc where she talked about hooking up with males kek(cocksucker chan autism)
Omg wtf. I feel so bad for your friend, I hope your friend hasn't been too traumatized by it. That woman really is sick I guess.>>19303
Your theory does really make sense, thanks anon.
>>19295>If I ever get asked about it I'll just pretend to be an ignorant and enthusiastic ally.
Advice to all lesbian nonas: Don't do this. Or at least sneak in some "well of course they're valid
BUT lesbians don't ever have to date anyone with a dick and it's homophobic to force them to even consider it". Otherwise they ARE going to use you as proof to others and say "my lesbian friend said she would date trans women, so that means they're valid
real women". Other bitter lesbians will hear it and assume you're a handmaiden, troons will assume you want to date them etc…
I find if they're brainwashed enough they usually think 90% of troons eventually get srs (even though it's the opposite and nearly non of them do) so you can usually get them to think it's reasonable for lesbians to only want to date post-srs troons with "vaginas" so they can't really accuse you of being transphobic. For the very casual straight handmaidens "would you really date a dickless man? With boobs?" sometimes works for them to get it.
And also reward your friends any time they're critical of troons bs even if it's minor. Smile, show interest and let them subtly know that they said something good. Tell them thinking critically is really healthy and good for them to do, that they're really smart for doing it etc.
I hope so too, we aren't very close so we haven't talked about it since it happened (this was back in 2016-17). But I feel a lot of guilt because I was a handmaiden at the time and introduced the tif to the group, she had some issues but none that wasn't too far off from the others I hung out with at the time. So glad people weren't afraid of telling me about who she really was so I could kick her to the curb. >>19310
Oh no, she isn't doing any sex work. I should have used the term hookup site rather than sex site…
I should specify what I meant to say: As an ignorant ally I would think of things to say that sound supportive but are actually ignorant. I can't think of any examples, but maybe slipping up like accidentally saying "women and trans women" or just subtle things. Or maybe even that would be noticed. My whole social group is pretty hardcore progressive when it comes to transgenderism. Even one of my friends thinks it's fine to harass people over raising legitimate sexual harassment concerns for bathroom access with tims. So it's pretty bad, but again, none of them are trans so far. I also think that some trans people are a bit wise to the "yasslighting" and hugboxing they get but they don't fully
get it. So it just slowly gets under their skin. Especially when it comes to being asked if you'd date a trans woman. I could say "Oh no trans women are too valid
and stunning and brave and I don't think I would be able to make "her" feel truly happy. The love between trans women is so pure because of how well they understand each other!" That's a heavy exaggeration but hopefully gets across the point of what I'd try to do. I'm really not a very eloquent person.
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>>19316>"Oh no trans women are too valid and stunning and brave and I don't think I would be able to make "her" feel truly happy. The love between trans women is so pure because of how well they understand each other!"
Okay no but I think this is perfect. They get to celebrate cheating with each other and "stealing yo man" and breaking up relationships all the time, picrel but they're constantly posting things like this, as long as they call it "t4t" so I think allies can get away with saying they support t4t relationships too. I know TWO girls whose boyfriends trooned out and both the men cheated on them with other troons. One girl walked away and lowkey wrote it off as him coming out as gay but the other is still with hers, 30 years old and just hanging in there I guess.
lmao I love this
Troons really do deserve each other, let them cheat and be pornsick with each other and set the clueless normie women free
We know that there's a whole section of tifs who trooned out from sexual trauma, detrans victims
often talk about how it directly affected their choice in trooning out because it made them hate their female body.
While not exactly the same, as a teen my trooniest female friend (who eventually came out as nonbinary) was weirdly obsessed with yaoi and irl gay porn, but in a different way than my other fujo weeb friends. The "normal" fujo friends would just read smut manga and fanfics, they wouldn't openly admit to watching actual porn and at least seemed pretty shocked at the idea when the other girl brought it up. I was the odd one out who wasn't into it at all and I never wanted to know more.
I think you’re on to something, anon. I know several women who are pursuing medically unnecessary hysterectomies because they “won’t use it anyway” and find menstruation annoying. Not especially painful, just a nuisance. One is a lesbian who’s very enthusiastic about her wife and their sex life but also identifies as aroace. I’m not sure how the others identify but they’re all dating men. I’m all for women having full control over their reproductive capabilities but the way some people think they can treat their bodies like Mr Potato Head is really disturbing.>>19324
Is she/they code for actual woman?
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i love how easy it is to clock troons solely on music. i clock them within seconds on lastfm and it’s laughable how male they are even in music taste. they always listen to other tranny artists with “loli” in name or anime on their cover art
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>find book titled Rad American Women A-Z in waiting area of business
>I bet there’s a troon in it
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Does anyone here actually get chills or some kind of deeply disturbed physical sensation around troon lingo? I was looking up on Twitter how they were linking lolcow threads here (you should search lolcow.farm on twitter occasionally because mad trannies even post 2X here sometimes), then saw how how much they use the word "gender euphoria". Even typing that creeps me the fuck out.
They'd make everything about "gender euphoria" and when they're sad, it's "gender dysphoria". They'd take unrelated characters, some of which I'd like, and go "this gives me gender euphoria". It's like they're in a cult and have been deeply brainwashed to think in gender 24/7 and it feels like watching a literal insane person from a distance, but nobody else sees it. I don't want them near me. I don't want them liking the same anime characters as me. I don't want them liking the same cartoon characters as me. I don't want them to be anywhere but some locked down island away from normal civilization.
Why can't they just admire a pretty boy male or a nice female character? Why do they want to wear their actual flesh? They feel like skinwalkers, like Buffalo Bill. It made me actually scared some troon might be doing that to me. These people are dangerous.
Women have a greater tendency to be sexually reactive as opposed to spontaneous, and I think this is the main driving force here. It explains why many of these aro/ace claiming girls will eventually find themselves in sexually active relationships and still identify this way, because they think that since they don't "see another person and feel aroused" that they don't experience sexual attraction. That they merely feel interested in having sex in isolated moments. I've seen that claimed, "You're not any less asexual just because you have sex sometimes!!" It is of course ridiculous, but finding your place on the spectrum of LGBTQ+ appears to be the current counter-culture revolution, and this is an easy way for a fundamentally straight woman to hop along for the ride (and of course commonly switching to they/them). That's the real root contagion, minority status as accessory.
Another driving force is acknowledging the madonna/whore dynamic of female sexuality in our culture. It isn't all "female sexuality = horny slut 24/7" like you said, the other path is "chaste and discerning and waiting for true love." I'd argue that second path is much more common among the actual women I've known in my life, even if they believe "sex positive" things. Because it's always different when they're talking about other people and not themselves, and they don't want to fuck like that. "I think other people should do whatever they think is best for them" is all they are saying in that case. The most popular opinion maybe of all time. But as we know all that noise and BS leaves a young women coming into her sexuality inevitably confused. It's an "unwinnable" situation, and a young woman seeking male validation is culturally encouraged to choose one of those two paths to attract certain kinds of male attention. When a woman might not want that, claiming "asexual" to escape it probably feels right for them at that time. People have to respect these minority labels right now or get dogpiled. I see it as a woman's words alone not being enough, and using the words of a thousand others to fill in the space for defence. More evidence is that religious women get married all the time and feel completely sexually unfulfilled and devoid of desire, because their ability to engage with this part of themselves was permanently damaged. Take a look at ex-Mormon spaces for more reading. It isn't just that their lawfully wedded moid is terrible, their psychology was attacked at a vulnerable time.
Last point, I think a certain amount of people really are asexual and there isn't anything wrong with that, as you suggest. This is nothing close to as damaging as the trans delusion, these people simply either start fucking or they don't. There's no associated medical component required or encouraged unless enbie-ism enters the picture. I have a close friend who could date but doesn't, out of total disinterest. She gives the basic set of reasons, but has no desire for a family or partner. She doesn't use the word asexual but we're well into our 30's now and she hasn't changed - the word doesn't seem inappropriate for people like her. It is a noble thing to realize what you want and not live on a life-script autopilot, having kids you regret. The social contagion element confusing an increasing amount of women about themselves is a problem, when it is already hard enough to understand a reactive sexuality. And this is a man-hating board, an asexual woman is basically living life identically to a heterosexual woman who has stopped engaging with men. Good.>>19387
Actually you sound like you don't know anything about women's bodies and frankly like a cud-chewing moid. The regularity of the period itself is not important long-term, but the hormonal cycling is which will (supposed to) proceed regardless of menstruation. IUDs are mostly safe the up to 10 years they can be inside a woman before switching it out for another 10, and the associated risks are not of the down-the-road variety. They stop the menstruation too, pretty common knowledge among adult women and a popular choice. Interesting you don't seem to know that, easily fact-checked. A hysterectomy is the most extreme form of sterilization, far from necessary for most women pursuing voluntary sterilization, and the increased risks from all forms come from specifically removing the ovaries - where critical hormones are produced. Heart disease jumps startlingly up 33% (the number 1 cause of death if you care to play in reality) and the increased early dementia risk you fear-mongered is 8%. A disease with very complex proceedings that you can only decrease but not eliminate your risks of, and without family history you cannot make much of an estimation of likelihood. The bilateral salpingectomy is the safest form of female sterilization, carrying no known negative long-term effects and still dropping your ovarian cancer risks to nearly nothing, and that is what a doctor is actually likely to recommend a woman who they are allowing to pursue this. This process is far more restrictive than what troons go through getting hormones and shit, not to mention actually important considering it is being requested by women who don't want to make babies by accident or have a real medical concern.
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IMO people who aren't interested in sex exist for real so you can't say that "asexuality" is some dysfunction. I am one myself although I dislike the terminology strongly because they made it into some kind of orientation and I disagree it should be one. I guess something similar would only count as dysfunction when someone wants to be dexually active but something is stopping that person, like trauma or insecurity. I agree that some girls who identify as asexual in youth grow up to be in sexual relationships but that just shows how meaningless it is to make it an orientation and pressure teens to identify as LGBTQP buzzwords. In my opinion it happens because they think that unless they're interested in being porn objects or talking about sex 24/7 the conclusion is they must be asexual if they don't fit the hypersexual normie standards (which is wrong of course).
I know I can sperg about it for a long time but it really makes me angry how they made "asexuality" into an orientation and made it "queer". Since some people aren't interested in sex I'd say they are prone to have less problems in life in the field of sex and/or romance because they're not into sex which gives one new responsibilities and new concerns etc. And yet the queer idiots (including troons) want to do what they can to manipulate these people and make them their handmaidens. Every sane asexual who is against hypocritical shit like "you can watch porn and be asexual" or "you can have sex and be asexual" is shunned in the supposedly "asexual" communities. But I guess they don't lose anything because these communities are troon-pandering shitstorms and your casual hypersexual normie lingo communities.
It exists for real but it's rare and the LGBTQ ruined the popular perception of it (also the self-identified "asexuals" ruin it too, due to the queer connection). I even started to be disgusted by the word "asexual" because I saw more and more people associate it now with the queer idiots.
I agree a lot with what >>19412
said about this topic. The real asexuality wouldn't be a danger, it's harmless and not affecting anyone beside the person who has a sexless life. What ruined it and the perception of it by those who learn about it is the queer association and (what I want to add) the push for people to describe themselves with labels. >>19432
Relatable. Even though I have online friends who agree with me on this topic I have no one like that irl. And even though I live in a country where the troons are still something niche, the libfems and LGBTQ supporters keep making it a bugger issue. It makes me depressed to see many young adults around my age and teenagers too who support them, not always loud but being ready to criticise women who speak against trannies. I even had a misfortune of going to a school when teachers made everyone use the trans name of some TIF student when I was growing up.
kek reminds me of back when otherkin was trendy - there was a tumblr that would just screencap retarded profiles or posts from the otherkin tags and just post them on her own blog, no commentary or edits. Just screencaps. Her inbox was FULL of these weenies claiming they're gonna kill themselves over her blog and that she was evil incarnate for doing it.
100% guarantee all of them are troons today.
My best friend from highschool trooned out a few years ago and even though I never really stopped peaking I really tried to be respectful of him. I spent years thinking "ok well 80% of troons are agp brony freaks but some tims are just normal people right?" This guy has been my best friend for over 10 years, and he KNEW that I was raped by a coworker a month ago who had cameras set up, and I've been having a breakdown over the idea there could be revenge porn of me online getting raped. So me and my" friend" were having a conversation and he starts whipping out incel talking points, saying women should have empathy for the fact men who have done nothing wrong feel creepy, that women's suspicion is at fault for the "crisis of male loneliness". I tried to explain to him that if a woman is at the point of feeling NO empathy for men she's probably been extremely hurt and it's for our actual survival, and he starts getting all pissy, insisting he's never been creepy to women and not having empathy is always a bad thing period end of story. I go "I thought you were a woman, not a man?" and he's freaking out saying "well I lived as a man for 25 years, I get the experience of both, not you". I thought male socialization wasn't real? You get to call me transphobic if I reference you having been a man, but you can use it as a gotcha to make rape victims look bad whenever you want, in a conversation about rape? Telling me I don't get to talk about my own experiences, or be afraid of men when it's been less than two months since it happened? He even started freaking out and saying being a man was a prison because "he constantly was threatened with extreme violence if he didn't conform to the expectations of masculinity" Did he forget we were both loser friends together in highschool? No one was threatening him with extreme violence for looking like Shinji Ikari. All he whined about in hs was not being able to get a gf, he never mentioned being afraid of violence a single time. It felt like the most gaslightey infuriating fights I've had with ex-boyfriends where they're trying to make you the crazy emotional woman, while they use lots of big logical emotionless words. Only men act like that. Only men think a woman having a lack of empathy is a crime, but not extending that same empathy towards women is just "logic and reason". I'm just so angry and betrayed and I can't even talk to anyone about it without being labeled a bigot. And I can tell he went to talk shit about me to one of the "cis lesbians" he's trying to fuck and she sided with me, because he out of nowhere switched up from angrily ranting at me and victimizing himself to "I'm really sorry and you're totally right, I hope you still feel safe being my friend but I understand why you wouldn't" Ugh. No I don't.
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>Explaining in a chat about women body stuff.
>"EXCUSE ME, BUT WOMEN ALSO HAVE X AND MEN HAVE X".
>MFW I cannot say that's how human anatomy is or else I'll be labeled as "Terf".
Nona get better friends, they sound awful. What if they had insisted you share a bed with him and "it's fine because you're both girls"? These girls would leave you alone in a locked room with him, pretending he's safe because he's a girl when he's really a coom sick man who could hurt you. They’re not real friends. I would honestly have said I'm not comfortable with how sexual they're all making it (but they'd all know it's aimed at him) and gone home instead. At the very least please being it up with your friends afterwards how uncomfortable you were, you don't even have to act openly transphobic they'll still know who it's about and chances are they kinda agree.
And tell all your female friends about what happened too. You can start off with "this one girl was making everyone uncomfortable… she's trans actually btw…". If there's one thing females are good at it's socially gossiping about which men suck.
I can't believe that this whole time, those people were being homophobic to me. I used to be so confused why I couldn't make real friends in the "LGBTQIA+" groups I tried to join. I would meet all these tifs and they were always weirdly hostile towards me, I would try to befriend them because I thought they must be similar to me (am gnc and gay) and are part of my community anyway, but no they would always be cold and the mtfs would be super gung-ho about befriending me. I didn't realize it then because I genuinely thought these people were telling the truth about themselves (don't yell at me, I was a teen), but I do now. It's because they were all straight people in costumes, probably not even bi, and they responded to me the way all straight people do. The women rejected me and the men fetishized and pursued me. That was what peaked me, the whole "you can't say no to me that's transphobic" thing. It hurts my feelings, looking back. I was young and stupid and desperately needed community, they all lied to my face basically and occupied what should've been a safe place for me. In some cases it wasn't an occupation but more of a trap they made. I'm embarrassed and I regret so much ever being around these people.
>>19588>He tried to imply me leaning over my friend to show her something on her laptop as 'Yuri bait'.
Bring that up in private with you friend, it's a perfect peaking opportunity. If any of your friends pick his side then stop being friends with them.
This goes for other anons in similar situations. You are literally telling them as your friend that a male, a man, made you uncomfortable (typically sexually) and they excuse the man for it? That's shitty behaviour. And they might put you in dangerous situations with those men who have proven that they are perfectly comfortable sexually harassing and bothering females. And like that guy did, he saw your normal interaction and assumed and insisted it was sexual in nature. What if you tried to show him something instead of the friend, and he decided it was sexually aimed towards him and he acted upon it? He's not safe, and if your friends support him they're actively putting you in risk of danger. Real friends worth having don't do that.
Thank you for sharing this, I am straight and GNC and I've been through the same thing in hobby & fandom spaces that were supposed to be very 'open' and 'welcoming'.
It's even more fucked up when it happens in LGB spaces, being a lesbian with a tiny dating pool is bad enough on it's own, but having to face homophobia in your own spaces? Damn.
kek the cope is evident>“The Transgender Craze Seducing Our [Sons]”; or, All the Trans Guys Are Just Dating Each Other>Recent antitrans discourses have critiqued trans masculinity in particular as a site of social panic and contagion for proto-trans adolescents. In extreme cases, this is framed as a seduction. Turning “seduction” from a social danger to a benefit, this essay theorizes masc4masc t4t erotics as a type of contagious gendering
Or, in other words, just young masculine lesbians who date other masculine lesbians… Why must they turn into men to be able to be both masculine and attracted to women (AKA people born with a vagina AKA """AFAB""" people)? Do they even read the arguments gender critical women make about trannyism as a social contagion?>The authors make a close reading of 2000s-era erotica and pornography to argue that Daddy/boy and group sex dynamics can be read as gender labor, affective and intersubjective work that produces gender and that in t4t erotics works within a framework of differentiated reciprocity.
I had a dream that I was again in my high school. I was in some classroom with people who I can't tell if they were based on my former classmates or some random people. But there was one new girl and she was introducing herself. In the classroom there was also my Math teacher (a woman) who used to be my class teacher when I was going to that school. Suddenly the new girl started saying something like she doesn't feel that she's a woman and she wants to elaborate a bit about her gender identity. Then the Math teacher joined and she started saying she knows where it's going and she has an important thing to tell us. Then the teacher started talking about how years ago she used to accept this position (trans acceptance, gender stuff to some extent etc.) but since then she had changed her mind. I was pleasantly surprised.
The thing is, the teacher from that dream about my former school was supportive of trans people and probably still is in real life. That reawakened some sad memories for me. I live in Poland AND YET I got to meet trans people as a teenager and the school from my dream allowed a TIF to socially transition. I knew her back in middle school and we went to same high school too and this is where she could go full blown publicly with her trans identity. This is fucked up, imagine living in a country where trans is a super small minority (like everywhere to be honest) and yet you got to be in school where the principal and some teachers affirm shit like that outside some friends group (who would do that because I was in one which I'm ashamed of but then I guess it was like being groomed by peers). Even though we had no pride events etc. I still find it crazy how everyone was addressing this girl by a male name. Other students, teachers. Because they (school staff) said so. I remember briefly an incident when in the beginning of our first year said Math teacher told my class something like "we got a trans student here, respect the name etc.". There wasn't really any discussion about it but I wonder what others really thought on their own. Really fucked up when I look back at it (I peaked while finishing school when the TIF wasn't around there anymore).
Now I wish something like my dream would happen - that this teacher and others would peak at some point in their life, the sooner the better. I have no contact with them anymore.
Sometimes I want to write an email to that Math teacher who tutored my class and tell her how I feel after what I went through. That this trans thing spoiled my teenage years, that I was living a lie, that I'm bitter towards the people in charge who allowed this. But I got some irrational fear that my parents will get involved, even though I'm adult since some years. I just feel angry at the people who allowed this, who harmed the trans-identifying student even if she would like it and who harmed others who were somehow brainwashed by the "authority" that the school is supposed to be. They wouldn't cherish the students taking drugs for example, would they. And yet they openly accepted something very harmful and fucked up.
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>>19624>Which goes to show that you should never back down and apologize to trannies. In their eyes, once a sinner, always a sinner.
Yup, never apologize for stating the truth. Why would you want to appeal to and appease the insane child mutilation fetish cult anyway? I know the picrel is cringe but it's true. Being called a "transphobe" means nothing because I've seen what the troons cheer for and I AM fully against it. Their disapproval when I say "sex based rights are important" or "children can't consent to mutilation" is only more proof that I'm right.
The troons will find a new target and forget about you soon enough anyway, and all the GCs, TERFs and normal sane people will only be disappointed in you for backing down like a coward.
Well step 1 is to mentally prepare for the breakup with her gross pornsick boyfriend. If he "thinks" he might be one that means he's already consuming the content and have been for a while. He's not gonna stop. If she isn't aware of how bad it is, send her some sissyporn stuff from the mtf threads as examples. It's also the kind of fetish that ALWAYS escalates if indulged. It's also a kind of humiliation fetish, meaning it requires other people (be it her or done to strangers by leaving the house) to partake in it.
She should get a job (possibly behind his back) to be able to support herself, or ask her parents/family if they'd be able to help her out with housing.
Depending on the situation (like say if she only needs his money to finish studying for a year or so) she could give vague excuses and pretend to "have to think about it" or "it will take time for me to get used to" and then basically put it off for as long as possible. She should mentally to herself take it as a breakup without telling him, but while leading him on for a while longer to use his money. Naturally she shouldn't spend any money on the relationship during that time, like no buying a new fridge or game station together, no trips, save all the money she can.
Oh nonnás, this is not a vent so much as it is a triumph. I was emboldened by having a fellow TERF at my side so this is a call to stand by your sisters in blatant solidarity against the troon menace.
To set the stage, my friend and I are both Very Tall Women standing in line waiting patiently to buy fruity bitch beverages and snacks for a girls night, where we will undeniably disrobe and whack each other with pillows before practicing kissing.
>Jk we got white girl wasted and watched Bluey
From behind us pipes a lispy moid voice: "seriously, they go out wearing THAT and I'm the one who gets misgendered??" I sneak a peek over my shoulder, curious who this faggot is talking to, hackles already raised because I've realized the hubris in wearing a red flannel shirt to a store known for being entirely Red and have been approached by customers several times already, quit assuming my employment, shitlords.
>wispy moid with a wispy combover in a boho sundress and last season laceup sandals, revealing his hairy painted toes
>wearing the sookiest pout I have ever seen on an human being who wasn't under five years old
>arms crossed defensively across his bony chest, which has thankfully been graced with a recent wax, unlike his horror toes
The devil rose up in me, ladies. I leaned in, just enough that I could continue to look down my nose at the little bugger. "And yet, we're both effortlessly 1000x more feminine dressed down than you'll ever be, MA'AM" and snapped back around on my heel. I might've tossed my hair a little.
My friend, being a TERF Wellington, laughed in that delightfully toothsome British way thats just so DERISIVE and I heard his sandals slapping away indignantly, maybe to find another line, maybe to pick up a pink princess rope from the sporting goods section, who really cares.
One more for the Trans Genocide, I'm Doing my Part!
>>19638>Feminine presenting "gay transboy" who spins in a dress asserting she is totally breaking gender stereotypes>Masculine presenting "lesbian transwoman" with a full beard and male clothes insisting he's a butch tomboy lesbian
And now they're dating and calling it queer, it's the most toxic
relationship you've ever seen.
One of my friends I've known for ten years is calling herself trans after dating a non-binary man. She's claiming to be "healing from dysphoria". She's never had any problem showing off her body and has even enjoyed public nudity. She's a survivor of multiple sexual assaults and has some form of PTSD. But since she met this guy now she can pin her problems on being trans.
Sometimes I ask myself why I'm so angry about this movement. If some people with severe mental illness need to take hormones to feel better, it's no problem to me. I'm willing to compromise on including them in public life under their label so long as they acknowledge sex and don't prevent people from organizing under the banner of female sex. But what's truly driven me out of my mind is the fact that accepting this ideology has led to almost every woman I know calling herself some flavor of trans and distancing herself from womanhood. They're no longer interested in feminism but in trans rights. And they, of course, want to spread the gospel to other "eggs." The lack of rigor and scepticism in the definition of 'gender identity', 'dysphoria', 'euphoria', makes it so anybody who wants to be trans can be, and there is no mechanism to interrogate this. Call yourself non-binary, genderfluid, a fem gay trans man, a butch lesbian trans woman. Nobody is allowed to say "you don't seem trans to me, are you sure about this?"
When gay marriage was the battle of my day, this didn't really happen. Straight people who befriended gay people didn't start claiming to be gay. Maybe a few adopted the bi label in the myspace days or on forums, but overall people were honest about their orientation and what they thought it was. Being gay was randomly distributed in the population, not something that appeared and spread in clusters. None of my gay friends asked me to consider if I was gay, because they trusted that I was aware of my own sexual experiences and had the competency to label them. Meanwhile, trans people apparently need a guide that tells them everything from "a vague sense that something is wrong in life" to "not liking your body sometimes" is a sign that you're actually trans and didn't know it. If being trans is innate and powerful like being gay, why do people need to be coached into being convinced they're trans with these vague, munchie-like descriptions?
And my remaining female-identified friends are of course, down with the cause. Sometimes, when it's just two of us, I catch signs of dissent, because everyone who's been around actual trans people IRL notices the high likelihood of bullshit and drama happening. It never leads to anything more, though. Some of them are even "experimenting with gender." I'm going to have no female friends left at this rate. And it's politically problematic. It distracts from real issues affecting their lives, like women's issues, to focus on issues that have literally nothing to do with them, like puberty blockers (none of them have kids or are kids) or bathroom laws (as "non-binary" women with no sex dysphoria, they'll use the female bathroom anyway) or JK Rowling (she's British and they're not, so she has no power over their country). It's luxury politics to the max. But I guess it's less harrowing than dealing with abortion issues.
I feel like the whole trans movement requires more and more victims
at all times. They can't just "be" trans, they have to trans everyone around them. And they'll still never be "trans enough", there's no end - just more trans. There's always another surgery, more HRT, or unlearning another internalized -ism, another memory to retcon into having been trans all along, another flag to put up, more science to deny because it doesn't fit the narrative, another terf
And it requires them to BE victims
, you have to teach them to be in "fight or flight" mode at all times so they don't think and just blindly attack. There is no trans genocide but a large part of them actually believe there is. They literally train these people to commit suicide if they don't get what they want, or at the very least to threaten to do it.
And once you've finally learned all of the trans gospel - it changes again. You spend years saying gender and sex are separate only to realize that means transwomen are still the wrong sex to be in the spaces of the female sex - so now you have to instead change it to that sex isn't real anyway, but also you CAN change sex and some males are females because they say so.
Whoever started the transmovement deeply, deeply hates trans people and wanted the worst for them.
>>18989>men in general are smarter by 3-4 iq points because of this (i cant remember if this is due to the center of the men's bell curve being skewed right, or because men's average is overall raised by autists at the higher extreme)
Actually, from what I've read on the topic, women
are slightly smarter on average than men. Also, there are more male geniuses than female, but there are also more male retards, so yes, there are more males on both extremes than women. Still, the average woman is smarter than the average man by a slight margin.
socialization isn't just how your parents raise you though, it's also how those around you and society as a whole treat/perceive you and those of the same sex. i agree that socialization alone isn't going to supersede biology, but it still plays an important role. tbh i don't even see how the opposite can be argued, a lot of the behaviors and insecurities associated with women are a direct consequence of how they're treated and what's expected of them. and men can definitely get worse than they naturally are if they're encouraged to behave like violent rape apes.>There are gc women saying some troons are ok because they had "female socialization" because they were abused into trooning out at age 5.
i doubt lc would agree with this take though, i think some gc women just pity transed children because obviously they aren't at fault the way their parents or adult troons are. trooning out early just means you've experienced the genderspecial treatment longer than other troons, it doesn't mean people actually believe that you're of the opposite sex. it's like when trannies whine about how they grew up GNC so they don't have a male socialization. yes they do, the socialization of a male who was bullied at school.
That sounds like the best bet, thanks nonna. She’s my friend and always will be. Before this she was just my fellow tomboy in arms. It hurt her more then helped which I think she sees now.
I just hope she chooses to care for her and be herself over what some silly propaganda is saying. She’s had some TIMs be really creepy to her and one even molested her which I think is a big play in her current state. Her TIF friends are really mean to her which is sad to see (I assume worse in private as this is what I see publicly and the few hangs out I have been invited to/went to). She lost contact with our old friend group for them expect for me. I hope she knows we all still care… I worry for her and I don’t like being out ward about my terf
stance but I want her to be safe, happy and healthy.
-gender, TRAs must respect my gener identity or they are transphobic bigots. Come with me squirrel-chan and let us kick some nuts out of female only spaces
i just saw a woman on tik tok say the phrase “misogyny affected people.” are you fucking serious??? misogyny is literally, by definition, prejudice against women. WOMEN. not “people.” not trans women. i’m so fucking mad
but in better news, one of my internet friends (who’s a lesbian) posted a tweet asking why it’s not okay for lesbians to have genital preferences. she of course had to sugarcoat her completely acceptable question to make sure nobody was offended by it, but i messaged her and essentially said that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it at all. i told her that the only people who say it’s unacceptable are terminally online idiots. we chatted back and forth for a bit and i guess she had seen a reddit post where someone was pissed off about the “transphobia” in that new movie, bottoms.
idk if y’all have seen it yet but i thought it was fucking great. i especially loved that they didn’t pander to trans people at ALL. like, they didn’t mention transgenderism a single time. i haven’t seen the post but i’m pretty sure the scene this reddit post was referencing was when the two main characters are talking about a girl one of them has a crush on. they’re joking about how that girl has a boyfriend, with a penis, and how much she must love his penis. something like that. it was supposed to be a funny bit where two friends poke fun at one another for being interested in straight women, but of course the trannies are up in arms about it because “some women HAVE penises!!1!” i cannot tell you ladies how amazing it was to not see a single hulking scrote dressed in women’s clothing on that screen.
side note: there’s an extremely fucking attractive androgynous women in one of the leading roles, and they didn’t they/them her. she was still a woman nonnas!! it was so fucking beautiful and refreshing!
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>Steve Harwell (Smash Mouth) died yesterday
>Most TRAs: Only remembering for this.
Would you be able to peak her? Like can you at least start to get her to think that while troons are tooootally valid
, they of course have to have the perfect-magic-neovagina-surgery because you can't force lesbians to like dicks. Saying lesbians like dick is homophobic and if she's truly a lesbian and not a larping bi she should get that.
One idea is taking a deranged obviously fetishistic male no effort agp transbian screenshot and saying someone is mad at you for saying you can't be attracted to that person as a lesbian. Really mention how the homophobia is negatively affecting you. If you can get her to think AGPs are using trans people to hide their fetish that's a step in the right direction. You want her to start thinking "some" troons are bad and just fake trans. That gives her an in to hate and see flaws in some trans people, because they're not trans at all - just fakers who are actually harming real trans people! Eventually if she keeps following that path she'll see it's all of them.
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Thinking about that time someone on a group chat I was on was talking about having cysts form in their mouth on their 'period'. Later found out that that person was mtf transgender. I don't know why but that made me angry. They seem like an okay person otherwise, that just made me uncomfortable.
She capes for Homosexual troons ( of the gay and lesbian variety) and was herself a TIF and still ids irl as a he/ him lesbian. She already doesn't think straight troons are "valid
" but praises homo ones for muh gender abolition ( even if there gender non conforming for bull shit sexist reasons).
We love to hear it! I find it so fucking silly in meetings or videos where everyone states their pronouns or they all have a tag with it visible on screen and they're all obviously just normal people with normal pronouns. And the few times there's a gendie there… you could already tell from looking at them because somehow "being my true self" looks identical to all other "true selves" in the cult.>even the employees who’ve given pronouns unprompted at previous meetings.
I love to do the "wrong" thing and not follow up with my own pronouns when they do that. If they call me out and tell me to state my pronouns I'll word it in an obnoxious way like "just normal female ones". I do have the benefit of being ESL though kek
For nonas who have been forced to have pronouns in your bio/signature at work, have you tried just silently taking them off after a while to see if anyone reacts? After a few weeks if you have normie coworkers (often older males will think pronouns are stupid) you could casually mention it to them and that no one reacted and hopefully they'll do the same.
I think the way I'd go about it is asking something like "hey remember pronouns in bio they made us do? Do you think those are actually important?" and if they say anything that can be seen as sceptical you can go ahead and tell them "I accidentally removed mine a month ago and forgot about it and nothing happened, so I think it's fine without them". If they instead went "yesss omg they're so important transwymon r wwmon!!1!" then just drop it and find someone else kek
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Oh no, the "men are afraid that gay men treat them like women" returned badly.
Well females are afraid that the trans males (who directly invade and try to take down female only spaces while knowing they're male) will treat them the way other shitty space invading males always do or worse.
And the "cis" males are afraid the trans males will hurt their daughters, gfs, wives and mothers with their gross fetish, or indeed to try to rape or force them to perform sexual acts they don't want to do. I don't see what's so confusing about it.
And that's not even touching on how infuriating it is to either sex that trans people deny reality and are anti-science which is literally harming ALL of society.
Funny though… why is it the "cis het" men they are confused over being "threatened"? Is it because they know men can easily overpower a weak tif despite all the hormones in the world, meaning "cis men" in particular have nothing to fear from tifs? That a "cis man" is at least on the same level as a tim so he has no reason to ever feel threathened by either variety of troon? Hmmm.
I'm just putting my gender ideology predictions here because I'm 99% sure it's gonna happen in the next few years or so. As troons become more and more public with their depravity and people see more and more bullshit they can't ignore, I'm fairly certain we're going to see an increase in 'true trans' people. It's just an ideological self defense mechanism. Like cutting off an infected arm, but the rest of the body is infected too, just not as obvious. They'll tell us that all the crazy weirdo trannies on social media aren't really trans, but still be told that we can trust most trans people because they're the ones who are "really trans". Basically, the only troons that are allowed publicity are going to be the ones who are better at hiding their degeneracy, like Blaire White or whatever. Gender ideology won't be any less toxic, of course, it'll just keep it mostly behind closed doors and try to appeal to the public now that the mess has been swept under the rug. I'm probably gonna feel compelled to believe them, but at this point I think I'm wise to this manipulation tactic. I'm very weak because of my empathy but even I can only be fooled so many times. It's still gonna be tough not to crack when someone is so good at pretending to be in a state of immense distress, but I now know just how good narcissists are at faking emotions and entire backstories. It's fucking chilling how well they can adapt and effortlessly fake such strong emotions all to manipulate other human being by exploiting one of their most fundamental traits. We're pack animals and we evolved to have empathy in order to survive and there's an entire group of people out there that can hand craft personas and backstories purely to manipulate that. I'm not gonna buy their bullshit anymore though.
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I know Musko isn't the best person but he does have a very big reach and a lot of influence so him tweeting against the gender cult makes me hopeful. I feel like techbros who follow him are a group of people who unless they're wearing programmer socks has been unaware about the trans ideology because they don't normally listen/care about women and children. So if he can get them riled up over it that's a step in the right direction
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I don't play games much these days but I was kind of interested in Starfield until I learned how it panders to gender ideology. There's no mention of male or female anywhere in the character creation screen. You get a choice between two "body types" and "walk styles" which are just labeled 1 and 2, and at the end you pick your pronouns (and of course they/them is an option). It's retarded because they're still acknowledging there's only two sexes but I guess using the words male and female would hurt tranny feelings. And men and women walk differently because their bodies are different, so it makes no sense to mix a male body with a female gait. Anyway, this isn't that important, I just won't play the game, but it creeps me out to see these ideas being shoved even into escapist entertainment. Apparently Baldur's Gate 3 pulls similar shit. Any nonnas interested in these games, please pirate them.
I so badly want game developers to stop pretending this is helping anyone. Erasing female bodies from video games after we just got them is so insane. Sure you CAN have it…. but don't you dare call it "female" or associate it with cis women you terf
But it is funny that almost all of the games doing it does a "option 1 or 2" sooo literally still a binary choice, based on the two sexes. I would like to think it means some or most people involved don't give a shit about trans people and just pander because it's in fashion right now. It's not often they have a real "trans body" that's like a puberty blocked eunuch with their typical longer limbs and fat torso, or a short curvy broad hipped woman with a mutilated chest with the typical "dog ears".
Even if you were trans, you'd usually want to play as the opposite sex. You don't want to play as an effiminate-walking-style male with a huge square jaw and bad wig hulking over the female npcs. Enbies literally mutilate their own bodies permanently for a disordered fashion statement, I don't see why anyone would want to pander to them in the first place. It's like all of it is just a big ad for plastic surgery.
Hogwarts legacy was such a godsend, thank you JKR for all the work you do proving how insane these people are. I'm so happy HL did incredibly well and was liked by everyone, and I'm thrilled they're making a new potter series based on the books as well.>>19777
I feel you on that, my (admittedly very tame compared to others) handmaiden days back on tumblr are so embarrassing to look back at. Even when I thought "I don't really agree with all of this" I'd reblog things to not stand out and to be a "good ally". I wish I hadn't helped spread it at all, even though my own blog was super tiny and non that popular. But what is done is done, and if I hadn't been on tumblr and seen it all first hand I might have been even MORE susceptible to buying trans ideology as part of LGBT rights. I wouldn't have seen it go from "we're just born in the wrong body" to "we're biological men despite being female because sex isn't even binary" etc… I think slowly seeing vulnerable autists and lesbians troon out one after another in real time helped me peak. Without having been part of it I wouldn't understand the issues as well as I do today, or perhaps not have as much compassion for detransitioners who I now find amazingly strong for essentially making it out of a terrible self-harming cult.
I hate tims so much. They're so fundamentally removed from womanhood that their delusion is laughable. If they really were somehow women born into the bodies of males they would shut the fuck up and thank their lucky stars they got to be male, maybe send some money to a women's shelter. They've been given the privilege of being male, of not having to fear being preyed upon, and in the case of AGPs/transbians they are lucky enough to be straight too. I would fucking kill to have all that privilege and power. They have no idea what it's like to be a woman and they never will. I won't even say they had the audacity to discard their manhood because they never fucking did to begin with. They keep their manhood, both literally and figuratively. They flaunt it and use it as a cudgel to punish the women who they deem 'out of line'. I fucking hate troons so much nonnas. I have to see their hideous hulking frames when I'm out and they've infiltrated my social circle and I just keep my mouth shut. These freaks are the farthest thing from women possible. I hate that they have so much privilege and power but have the sheer nerve to pretend to be oppressed while they are actively oppressing real women, especially lesbians. I still reserve a little pity for the HSTS, especially the ones who were bullied or groomed into trooning out as kids. They're not women, they're abused boys. I still feel a little sympathy for them in the sense that I get what it's like to be jealous of straight people. But I can never, ever see them as women. Also, they do still show general moid behavior, unsurprisingly.
>>19795>If they really were somehow women born into the bodies of males
If they were somehow a subcategory of women who were literally in every single possible way indistinguishable from men (like they claim), they'd still be the exact same threat to women, children and other men that normal men are. But that could only happen if sex wasn't real, so that's why they claim sex isn't real, not binary, a social construct etc
They pretend we can't ever know what person can impregnate and what person can get pregnant, that it's a magic lottery and either could happen to anyone. It just doesn't add up.
Understandable; the ideology isn’t really escapable and even my family has bought into it, I’ve been mostly alone for around 10 years strictly befriending people who are ignorant about the issue but have not much in common with me, and my mental health has suffered terribly because of it. I need to learn how to live within society and suck it up because I’m really craving that human contact and feeling of belonging.
I feel like the prisoners who are willing to feel like shit around cruel inmates just to not be in solitary confinement. I wish I could be like some of you nonnies in this thread who can have gendie friends and everything, be critical of it, but not let the anxiety of it consume them. Or like you who would be okay with being alone. Both interacting with them and being alone are dogshit options honestly, but at least at cons I can have a little bit of fun. I don’t know.
This gonna sound silly but pretend you're a secret spy nona. Make a game out of it and then you can come and went/report to us here on lc so you can regain some sanity. Change any details you're worried about so they won't know it's you if they against all odds find the posts.
Use light peaking methods if you see the opportunity, like if they question any trans thing in the slightest and go with it to encourage them to keep questioning it. Some tifs are critical of tims, or have trutrans views that can be built on.
Ask normie straight family members/friends if they'd REALLY date a same sex person who hasn't even transitioned, inform them if they say no that trans people think they're a transphobic bigot but that it's wrong of them.
Also I think asking people who know trans people "would you still support X if he/she/xe detransitioned?" is helpful to make them think that it's a possibility. Make up a recent detrans acquaintance if needed as a reason for you asking, say all their TRA friends left them even though they're the same person (because that's always what happens).
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>>19806>This gonna sound silly but pretend you're a secret spy nona
Make your own secret terf
spy sona everyone kekhttps://picrew.me/ja/image_maker/185483/
Mine is a young fashionista woman who acts sweet to troons faces but she secretly despises them. She'll give them backhanded compliments and make comments that make them cry of dysphoria in the guise of being an uninformed but well-meaning ditzy normie, but she's actually well informed about all troon issues and has a secret terf
chat where she roasts troons on the daily with her friends. She dyed her hair an unnatural purple/blue color to seem more innocent to troons and always encourages tims too go further in their transition just so she and her friends can laugh at how ugly and stupid they are. They see it as a favor to all women when they get troons to sterilize themselves and thus taking out their degenerate genes from the market.
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weeb furry woman who plays dumb when people bring up genders
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When talking with troons or TRAs, I like to pretend I'm even more autistic than I actually am, and therefore have an excuse for saying their rhetoric makes no sense.
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I love these kek
-sona is a pink haried high school girl professional gamer and streamer who is openly transphobic. Everyone loves her because she's cute and feminine so she gets away with it. Her fanbase will shut down any attempt at cancelling her in a matter of seconds.>>19826>When talking with troons or TRAs, I like to pretend I'm even more autistic than I actually am, and therefore have an excuse for saying their rhetoric makes no sense.
lmao I've done this a number of times too, they get really pissy about it because so many of them are autists too so they hate it when you use it against them. "Sorry but my autism makes me only believe in science and logic" makes them seethe as they try to stammer out that troonism is totally based on science (easily disproved) and logic (lmao bitch where) and not just a religious faith based ideology (which they can't because it is)
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This was fun.
-sona became a doctor because she wanted to improve women's experiences with healthcare, make people's lives easier and because she found the job fascinating, albeit challenging. She's secretly a TERF
because she doesn't want to lose her job so she's respectful towards them, but still finds subtle ways to annoy them because "you shouldn't hide your biological sex from doctors, it might cost your life". She and her colleagues earn a ton of money by selling hormones to troons and while she thinks some of the surgery results are horrifying, she is interested to see how far the whole thing will continue and how it will potentially improve science >>19758
It seems plausible the trutrans crowd will increase. >There are plenty of detrans people who are no longer having dysphoria even though they legit felt it before. And the fact that trans care supposedly helps trans people by lessening/removing it too is proof that even TRA admit dysphoria is a thing that CAN go away and be managed.
To me gender dysphoria seems like the nocebo effect. If you want to learn more about it, I suggest watching Helen Pilcher's speech, it's on YouTube. Or you can search it online. Basically a person is conditioned to expect a negative response from an experience. I saw cases of people saying "my dysphoria became worse since I realized I am trans" or some of them showing no signs of dysphoria until they learned about the concept, very bizarre. Gender dysphoria, as a concept, is hard to pinpoint because like any emotion is just a negative response to certain stimuli and these people attribute it to gender. While it could be literally anything that causes this response. Are you sure it's not just bias?
This happened to me. Reading TIF stories made me feel disgusted about my body because they shared similar backgrounds to me, but rejected their female bodies. There were a bunch who were your usual tomboys, gamers as kids, and then they were talking about how much they hated their hips and thighs and body shape. Over time my 'ideal' body changed from a more 'feminine' one to a more 'androgynous' one because of the way TIFs spoke about their bodies with such disgust. I stopped reading anything TIFs wrote and my dysphoria went away. It's fascinating, I think trans people can function as subcultures with their own particular beauty standards, so if you hang around TIFs too long, you end up adopting their beauty standard (androgynous, thin, lank) instead of the mainstream culture's.
Unfortunately because most scientists seem to take gender dysphoria at a surface level, I don't think we're going to get any research on it that isn't just affirming the existing narrative. There's not going to be research on people like me who developed dysphoria very quickly because of constant exposure to TIFs and then had it go away once I realized what was happening and stopped reading that content.
Does anyone else get the impression that a lot of the scientists that research transgender issues don't even know any trans-identified people? So none of their studies investigate anything interesting you'd observe from watching TIPs. What is actually happening to TIMs when they claim they get periods? What changes would TIPs report if they were given placebos instead of hormones? Does sexual orientation actually change with hormones (testing with blood flow, not self-report)? Instead we get the zillionth underpowered study on 12 kids (4 of who dropped out) who report that puberty blockers made them 1 point happier (out of 100).
>>19830>There's not going to be research on people like me who developed dysphoria very quickly because of constant exposure to TIFs and then had it go away once I realized what was happening and stopped reading that content.
That's ROGD via social contagion, it's one of the few things that actually has been studied and is talked about a lot by gender critical professionals. So there's hope!
>Does anyone else get the impression that a lot of the scientists that research transgender issues don't even know any trans-identified people?
Oh absolutely. They don't know shit about trans people other than surface level and the sweet facade they've been force fed. It's often very clear. Like for example, go into ANY male trans space and euphroia boners and AGPs are everywhere. Troons literally saying "I only feel like a girl when cooming, and then afterwards I'm a boy again until I'm horny again, am I still a valid
transwoman and not just a fetishist?" and then fifty other troons agreeing that it's totally normal and valid
and they all feel that. And then researchers still say "it's not about sex nor a fetish and no one is turned on by being trans, that's bigoted propaganda" like bro just listen to them for 5 seconds-
But on the other hand, I remember seeing trans people shut down studies on trans people… from about 7 years ago! They've been actively shutting down science and studies because they've always known it would be harmful to them for people to actually know what's going on. The fetishists have always known it's a fetish and don't want it exposed. So there HAS been plenty of interest in studying it, but they get shut down… by trans people. But it's still very much possible those studies do exist and are just unpublished, people waiting for the second the tides have turned enough that they can publish it without losing their jobs.
Trans people talking poorly about people who have historically studied and supported trans people, like Zucker and Blanchard, just because they don't go full affirmation, is one of the craziest things about the movement. These older studies are so useful for the reason that they were made before 'gender identity affirmation' became the liberal political prerogative, so they reveal a lot of interesting things.
I do think the truth will win eventually because you can only ignore the consequences of reality for so long. There are already a fair amount of studies on TIMs in sports showing that they retain advantages over women, even if they can't be competitive with men anymore. Even this (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bies.202200173
) paper, which is pro-gender identity, is asking people to realize that sex is binary, not a spectrum, and to stop spreading this misinformation. You can take this to anybody and they cannot call it a dogwhistle because they're bending over backwards and affirming gender identity, just saying it has nothing to do with sex being binary.
I don't believe in 'mass peaking' or 'the tides are turning'. I think it will be a few people at a time chipping away at this, some news about detransitioners, some papers coming out like the above, and this will slowly change people's minds. The fact that radfems have not shifted goalposts, that many radfems know trans people in real life or even used to identify as trans, and that they continue talking to people despite the attempt to make 'biological sex' into a poisonous untouchable term will have an impact. The more normies become aware of and agree with these talking points, the more the activists will have to either change their language and backtrack, or go full crazy and lose normie support. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
he probably thought he was complimenting you by calling you a troon, expecting you to be like "omg i luv transwomen thank you so much"
that or he's trying to insult you because you're a woman and he'll never be one so he's jealous
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>>19806>This gonna sound silly but pretend you're a secret spy nona
Time to do my terf
spy duty and report my troony findings kek
So I'm in a mod group of ofter overlapping fandoms, a few mods from each one, it was created to make sure mods could keep tabs on problematic
people crossing over the groups.
Now the funny thing is through joining this group I've discovered some of these mods are incredbly whiny and immature. It's to the point I don't think they should even be mods because they go in assuming every interaction is a micro-aggression and end up causing more drama. These people clearly have their own mental issues. And of course the main whiny people in there cape for troons above all else. Some of them are nonbinary themselves.
It's both bitter to watch them be anti-women and kids pawns, but also hilarious to watch them act like whiny babies over non-issues. I also enjoy the fact that while they threathen terfs there's one right in front of them just silently making fun of them and they have no idea I'm even there kek (I also suspect at least one other mod is a terf
, but I haven't dared ask her lol).
Today's encounter has one of the whiniest most pro-troon mods in there crying about someone saying Richard Ayoade is a great comedian (since he's just been labeled a terf
). This mod guy is clearly so pressed on it and is reeing over that other person "spreading HATE" in a server. All RA did was review a book, my dude you're losing sleep over a book review from the other side of the world. All because that guy MAYBE stands up for women's rights and doesn't think men should go into women's spaces…? Jesus your life is pathetic lmao
i'm so glad i have found this space. my only friends are online from a fandom we all joined pretty young and like 99% are fully on board with the gender craze, if they aren't some flavor of nonbinary they're fully supportive allies. i love them and their presence and i enjoy talking to them as they're the only social interactions i get apart from my family, but man it's impossible not to roll my eyes when they start to sperg about shit like "x is a trans icon!!" or "neopronouns are so valid uwu". i always had my doubts about what being trans truly meant, i quickly outgrew the belief of nb identities at like age 13 and thought that only dysphorics were the real trans (if you don't hate your body why transition and potentially ruin your quality of life?). of course i have to keep quiet because i don't want social death, but i'd love to know if at least one of my friends share some of my thoughts. i can't be the only one.
i'm rather young and i hate that this virus has started to poison the minds of even younger, more vulnerable girls and boys. i hate subreddits like traaa that make it obvious it's just a fetish and/or a trend and basically advertising it to naive teens. i hate websites like pronouny that put so much weight in mere words, because if someone calls you a dude even though you aren't one you must CRY AND COLLAPSE. i hate boys thinking that if you're nerdy and quiet and like pink it means you're actually a trans catgirl! or if you're an alt girl with uncommon interests that means you're not really a woman, you're some demiboy genderflux clowncore otherkin world salad. i hate people making their super speshul gender their whole identity and reason of being, and thinking they suffer more than actual marginalized minorities. the other day i saw someone on twitter saying that terfs stole the genderwhatever flag colors (purple white green), but they had "14 year old" in their bio and that made me feel relieved for a second, only to be worried again… fourteen year olds shouldn't be saying this shit and adults shouldn't be encouraging that either.
what made me completely peak was looking at an ex friend who became nb because longer hair makes you not a man apparently. since then he made his whole personality hating terfs, being trans and opposing transphobia. outside of that, he's pretty privileged! he comes from a well-off family, he's a straight tall white man, literally checking all the boxes. he was one of the few friends that was from my country, which has a pretty bad wealth gap, and seeing him thinking he has it so bad because some english terf says biological sex matters while i'm a working class woman with lesser opportunities by default is so rage inducing… once again, the privilege! he's so happy to shut down gc women and tell them to not make things about themselves, for him they're the worst evil on earth since it's the only thing he'll get "discriminated" on.
to end this block of text, i am a pretty girly girl but i have some male-dominated interests. i am happy to be a girl, liking certain things don't make me less of a girl, and it's pretty disheartening to see how other girls adjacent to my friend group are rejecting the label for really superficial reasons, when we are already so sparse. there's like three of us left, counting myself, because the rest thinks they're all a xe/xem nonbinary. like yasss girl, this is your true self girl, even if you didn't interact with certain people online you would still feel this way! nope, it's not a phase mom!
>>19905>of course i have to keep quiet because i don't want social death, but i'd love to know if at least one of my friends share some of my thoughts. i can't be the only one.
This was me until a few years ago. I was very young and I'd just come out of an abusive
religious environment, I accepted my friend group's beliefs at face value because I didn't want to be anything like my homophobic family and because I desperately needed their support. I had literally no one else after I came out, they were my only friends and it felt like they were the only ones would accept me or even care about me. In hindsight I feel like they weren't any different than a predatory church scooping up a 60 y/o alcoholic. I learned really fast that I had to just stay quiet and listen and repeat back anything they said because all of my organic takes on feminism were, surprise surprise, trans exclusionary because my upbringing was extremely misogynistic and I recognized that it was because of me being materially female. And after so long of the fire and brimstone routine, it was reeeaaal easy to accept and repeat the "small" stipulation that "lesbians need to at least give transwomen a shot and date them and not all transwomen even have a penis so it's okay really and no one's gonna force you to date them anyway". After all I'd already accepted once that I was evil and a sinner and destined for hell. Sure, I could be a genital fetishist. I'm disgusted at myself looking back but I can see at the same time how easy it was to manipulate me and I hate them for it. I've posted before how disheartening to realize exactly how much homophobia I was dealing with without realizing it. I was already hurting and it feels like they took advantage of me.
Vent as much as you want here! I'm also so glad lc exists, all of my online friends would cancel me and never speak to me again if I said anything super mildly against trans people. Heck one guy blocked me for saying "hogwarts legacy looks fun, can't wait to play it". That simple line made him think I'm an evil bigot.
Since you're young you could try the "no social reward" method on your friends if you want to peak them. Basically try to never reply to any trans stuff they say, and instead just immediately change the topic. You want to cut off the social reward they get from talking about trans stuff by never reacting to it. They're all in this phase to fit in, if you start making them feel like they don't fit in they'll eventually try to adjust and change. Basically ignore all trans stuff, and whenever they talk about anything else you reward them with fun conversations and compliments. You should point out things like "it's so nice to talk to you about (chosen non-trans topic, like movies or games or whatever) your takes on it are so fun and interesting".
So when they say something like "reee trans people are so oppressed right???" You just say something like "I saw this fun movie from my childhood the other day, it's about X…". At MOST you start with "Right. Anyway I saw this movie…"
Like they get a 1 word reply agreeing so they can't be mad at you for disagreeing.
And if needed also casually give little excuses like "idk i just don't like talking about depressing political things and hearing about people getting oppressed
is bad for my mental health rn".
If/when you have to reply to the trans stuff you keep it as short and boring as possible, and you don't say what they "expect" you to say. Like never use the common phrases like "transwo/men are wo/men" or talk about things being "affirming" or call things "cis". If you're asked for pronouns you don't say "she/her", you say something like "oh just like normal female ones thanks" so you're technically answering them, but not using the cult words they want. It makes them confused kek
Just distance yourself from them nona. Maybe make friends with the terf
-guy and the women the tim did shit to and let them know you're on their side and don't buy the lies.
That group of people are shit and start pointless stupid drama, they'll drain your mental health and energy in no time. Doesn't matter if they call you a terf
and hate you, you'll never see them again once you're done studying lol
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>OP is ranting her moid cousin destroyed her dressed
>this mf asking her if she was a trans woman because "TRaNSphOBiA"?
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Nonas how much do you think shows like Steven Universe affected the troon start? In particular enbys. It was huge with gendies on tumblr and I remember cringe af video clips of fans crying telling the creators "I wish this had existed when I was a child so I could have had the nonbinary representation" through their sobbing tears, just because Rebecca Sugar chose to make the 100% clearly female characters "not female" since they're an alien race from space.
Steven Universe was just a symptom of a bigger issue. The gendies already existed or the show would have crashed and burned before being "discovered" by gendies.
Also ironic that you used the image of the one gem voiced by a man for your 100% female example. 99% of them do fall into your framework though.