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Love them until they die. Thats what a mother is supposed to do. A con is that you probably cant discipline them the way you would do normal kids if they are doing annoying stuff so your anger is cropped up but they probably only do one annoying thing: existing. So I would probably only love them and take care of them. I do understand why others would abort them, but I love my nonexisting children the way white people love their dog: a lot.
Maybe such childeren are just as cool as pugs or french bulldogs… so ugly its cute.
They are hardly living
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Exactly. There's already a huge lack of resources in this world, why waste them more? She could be using her resources on her poor healthy child, or she could adopt.
Then again it's her choice. Some people buy flat screen TVs and gold necklaces, she buy 100,000 diapers for children that can never be toilet trained. Her choice and I respect that.
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found it: https://archive.is/ibWbo
not the full thread before 404, but most of it
the mother is insane. i feel bad for the alive son because his life must suck
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>>92233>“But they’re like any other girls, they like rap music and watch TV, and they have their own personalities,” continued Gwen. “Claire is laidback and goes with the flow, while Lola is feisty and needy. She wants to be cuddled all the time.”
that's not possible though, they don't have enough brain matter to have personalities
they don't even have enough brain to function properly, or contract their eyes in response to light appropriately
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they probably center all their time and attention on the twins, a lot of parents with disabled children do this, it's not a novel concept, you should check it out
google " sibling of disabled child"
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because your parents pull shitfits like this
>This story, this day, these raw emotions have haunted me for ten months… they have shut me down more than I'd like to admit… broken my heart time and time again. But I need to share this. And I know that we have all grown as a result of having experienced this, no matter how painful it was. And I hope that you can learn from it, too.
>I think part of the reason I have struggled with writing this is because it evokes so much anger and disappointment and intense sadness within my soul. And because it hits so close to home. And because it involves my kids, each of whom are SO important to me ~ such an extension of my own heart. And because it hits me below the belt with my OWN issues, experiences, and triggers in this life.
>The reason it hurts so much is because Cal said the word "retard."
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Because she believes killing these babies (abortion) is ammoral, and that hydrocephalic babies are just as good as any other babies
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>Hell, a few months after Claire was born, I was driving in a Dillon's parking lot on a cold winter day when I spotted some harmless Knights of Columbus workers wearing vests which read, "HELP RETARDED CHILDREN" on the back and collecting money for their organization. You'd shit your pants if you saw how fast I jerked my car into PARK (delaying several cars behind me and coming toward me), hopped out of it, and jump-straddled some poor guy's ass for wearing such an insulting slogan on the back of his vest, as if HE himself was the one who designed the damn thing with hate in his heart. OMG! I shouted, "I AM THE PARENT OF A QUOTE RETARDED CHILD END QUOTE AND I DO NOT APPRECIATE YOU WEARING SUCH AN OUTDATED, RUDE, INAPPROPRIATE VEST!!! The PROPER terminology is 'special needs' these days!!!!!!!!!!!" Dude stood there speechless then said, "I'll pass that on. Thanks." I stormed off, got in my car, parked it, and bawled my eyes out for my sweet Claire, for her disability, for myself, for my family and how CHANGED our lives would now be forever – whether she lived or died. It was so NEW… the "wound" so fresh. THIS KILLED ME. I will say, the next year I saw these guys out again, and they had on new vests which read, "HELP HANDICAPPED CHILDREN." For some reason, that actually felt BETTER to me. I stayed in my car this time and after much deliberation convinced myself I had indeed WON. Yes, I DO have issues. :)
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Ikr. I can't snark this. Its so sad. I just feel so bad for that family.
I mean the blog is shit, but imagine being a fly on the wall for one hour in their house.
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I'm sure that totally happened.
I don't really "get" mommy blogs tbh. They all have this weird tone…like they're trying SO HARD to show the world how special and happy their family is, when you know they are ordinary people you wouldn't look twice at walking down the street.
I can't wait until the kids who have to endure all the cutesie photoshoots go through their rebellious teenage years. Like, once the kids don't want to make flower crowns, and start making friends outside the house, what are these moms going to blog about?
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>>92261>tin foil hat time
Maybe that's why she wanted these two disabled kids so much. It's all so she can perpetually keep up her mommy blog since they will never grow up.
"i'm also fat but damn tess holiday is too fat its so deadly :((( xd">>92264
Thank you for being honest. As for me, I have a disabled sister (she cant function at all) and my mother took care of me just as much as my sister, but she just handled her different.
It makes me so uncomfortable I can't take it.
Their literally just toys to their parents
Even the way they dress them in stupid costumes… These kids don't even understand what is going on
It really makes me uncomfortable
I'll buy their son's inevitable tell-all book, tho.
You would discard any chance of a normal life to support an essentially non-sentient child's biological functions for the rest of their life?
You would sacrifice every waking hour? How would you work? How would you take trips or vacations? How would you have the time to make friends, to go to the grocery store, to read a book without thinking about them all of the time? You can't say "I'd bring them everywhere lol" because it's just not feasible.
God forbid you'd be a single parent in that situation too. You could never EVER leave them. Care for disabled children is rarely anywhere above "average" quality, and is frequently far less. They're not fucking puppies. Puppies have personalities, they grow up and can do things by themselves.
1- they would have to be alive for them to be killed
2- how is abortion killing?
If a child has no way of functioning on it's own, it's a waste to have it. Everyone suffers, including parents and taxpayers when something like >>92274
this is born.
>>92224>that's what a mother is supposed to do
Why? Who says?
Most human beings are not that compassionate, even to their own children. If I had a child like that, I'd abandon it. Then again, I would get genetics screenings first to make sure that shit won't happen in the first place.
>>92277>Most human beings are not that compassionate
I know that. But thanks for confirming it again. Gives me more reasons to be a misanthropist. And I said its what we're supposed to, not what most "people" would do. Lets say you have a healthy child but she gets a severe accident and is basically a vegetable would you abandon her too?
Keep in mind the mother instinct is stronger than the edgy mindset you have (assuming you dont have children)
Actually lots of people 'abandon' their vegetable child. It's called turning off life support and allowing your child to become an organ donor for children with a chance.
Why do you insist vegetables are the same as people? They're demonstrably not, and you mamby pamby attempt at guilting people over 'morality' isn't helping. It's gracious enough that society allows them to keep these tax and hospital equipment leeches. Back in the day they'd be left on the side of a mountain.
>>92285>.I really don't care about pro choice/life debate anymore.
you mean THE pro choice/life debate
see people like you can't even defend their opinions, not to mention type properly
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Does this mean that realdoll baby dolls are babies too? I mean technically they'r more human and alive than these babies, since they can be programmed to do stuff.
I just find it sad that 1 out of every 50 children born in Brazil today are those Zika zombies.
So many athletes are going to boycott the Olympics this year
You are not only doing that. You are reposting old forced memes posted by edgy neckbeards.
Each useless thread is literally a waste of money and time for us and admin-sama.
Live life instead of focusing on children or a mother who is trying her best, more than your mother ever did. Cant blame her though she had to raise an insecure whore like you. I feel so bad for her, hope she never finds out what you are writing on the internet I wouldnt want her to get a heart attack. Don't like her kids? Go seek therapy then. You have 0 rights to call someone useless and a waste of space while you are looking for a place to laugh at people who are better than you so you can boost confidence and feel better about yourself, loose hairy warty cunthole.
If you really care about resources, go protest against war or something more useful as they actually have wasted our resources and have caused more damage than these kids ever did. YOU have caused more damage than these kids did.
Have a good day!
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>>92292>no one wants to reproduct with you.
You mean reproduce, see this is why we need to abort retards.
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>>92296>Each useless thread is literally a waste of money and time for us and admin-sama.
It's not a waste? I've gotten lots of use out of these threads ranging from tips on fashion and healthy living to life advice. Heck even being entertained is something.
These vegetables can't even get entertained. It's her right to choose to have them, but I don't think we're edgy for wondering WHY she would want to have them.
Have some empathy anon- read this. It's from someone with an autistic son
"I cant help it, my life is constantly terrible. I spend as much time as work as possible. The worst part is that I am supposed to pretend that I am happy about it. When we get together with the other parents and everyone is pretending their kids are as normal as anyone else. They are not. All of us secretly wish they were never born.
I would never dare tell my wife this. She is in total denial. Every time he screams or has a breakdown I just wish he would die. I believe that violence is a lot more common than you think. but my wife and I always control ourselves. I can't stand it though. Why has god done this to me, and why instead of having support are you not supposed to say this. It is terrible, and I did not deserve it yet I am supposed to pretend life is just great."
I think the parents project their desired personalities onto the children. Like "This is how they'd be if they were normal". That's actually rather sad. No wonder the mother isn't wired too tightly.
I feel bad for Cal because he's probably not getting the attention he really needs from his mother.
It's not very nice to call your sisters retarded. But these aren't high functioning retarded children. They are vegetables that can't be hurt by words. The mother forced her son into a breakdown for 30 minutes over this?
>Scott and I had a VERY loooooooooong talk about the whole ordeal, what Cal's punishment should be, and why our son would EVER do such a thing. We decided that his punishment would be this: He would have to call each of the other three children involved, apologize for using the word "retard" and explain to them why it is wrong and why no one should ever say it again. Secondly, he would write Scott & me a letter about his own thoughts, feelings and what he had learned – about his sisters, using that word, why it's inappropriate, why he won't do it again, how sorry he is, etc. It needed to be at least one notebook page in length.
If this kid shoots up his school one day I wouldn't even be surprised. He must be so psychologically damaged by his crazy parents.
I don't know, but WHO has declared it an epidemic, like Ebola in West Africa last year. Not only is Zika mosquito borne, it's also sexually transmitted. It remains unsafe to conceive babies for a few months after you recover from the Zika, and most people never know they've been infected due to flu-like symptoms
Hope Solo says she's sitting out this year because she's hoping to have kids. The US state department has issued a travel warning for all pregnant women or women attempting to conceive. The UN begged all tropical countries to make abortion legal for medical defects
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Another story to force some empathy on you
"I'm not a parent, but my second cousin (much older, in his 60's) and his wife have 4 daughters.
Let's call the oldest K. K was born with very severe down syndrome, diabetes and as a celiac. They said she had absolutely no chance of living past 5 years old.
The father is a retired surgeon and the mother was a nurse. She gave up her job at 24, when K was born. She raised 3 other daughters, of which 1 was diabetic as well (she was also a huge problem child. Out of control, really). She gave up her life when K was born. She expected to be back at work within 10 years.
K is 43 this year and still requires full time care. She works at a factory that is specifically for down syndrome people. She has to have her blood tested several times a day, which means that one of her parents has to drive for 30 minutes to check it, then 45 minutes home. She is dropped off and picked up by her parents every day she works. They have to measure every meal she eats with a measuring jug to check ensure she maintains a healthy diet and get up three times a night to check her blood.
As is usual with down syndrome patients, the older she has gotten, the more difficult she is to deal with.
I sat with her mother one night drinking wine, talking to her about it. After a few glasses, she broke down. She never got a chance to live her own life because of K. Not in their wildest dreams did they expect her to live as long as she had.
The mother is a wonderful, kind woman. I've never seen someone with so much love.
She looked at me and said "I wish she'd just die already."
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that poor kid. Every birthday, christmas, easter, family event he has to put up with them. Not moving, jerking sporadically, releasing their bowels and their mother's insanity, literal INSANITY in thinking that one of her kids likes rap music, or the other one just smiled. They physically are unable to be human.
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for their sake I just hope they don't have enough braincells smeared in there to even be aware of their existence. Because their existence is a nightmare.
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That's very noble of you. Not wanting to bring more suffering into the world. Many people with severe mental and physical disabilities suffer. There are only a few exceptions to the rule, while a vast majority are made to suffer because they are so "cute" and look so "funny" and "are human too!". Bah. Absolutely disgusting.
Several years ago in nursing school, I volunteered at the Infectious Disease department of a pediatrics hospital. There was a mother there whose daughter was severely mentally and physically retarded; at the age of 7 she was only at the level of a paralyzed toddler with poor prognosis for the future. Apparently she was a semi-perennial patient due to recurrent respiratory and ear infections.
When the doctor asked at the end of the interview if the mother had anything she wanted to tell us (students), she said that if she could go back in time and tell the doctors not to resucitate her baby. She said that she loved her daughter very much (and would to the very end), but the longer she saw her child suffer in such an existence, the more the mother realised that her decision had been unfair to the child.
I will never forget this encounter, because it finally made me realise what a true mother's love should be.
I feel so bad for mothers in these situations. Mothers, much more than fathers are expected to accept their children and love them unconditionally, but when you are given a child with a severe handicap, how do you cope?
People seriously need to do genetic screenings more often.
not everyone with that disorder is a vegetable, many of them are low-functioning but can still talk/express themselves in some way.
pepper from american horror story had microcephaly, for example.
these girls have a million other issues in addition to the microcephaly.
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I kind of discussed it with my s/o already and we decided to abort if the child will have a probability of ending up as low functioning.
but I am scared my 'motherly love' would make me attached to it and id refuse to abort it, so thats that.
But at the end of that motherly love there also has to be some wish and hope that the child will form their own life and at least function on its own when you and your s/o is gone some day, right?
It seems a bit irresponsible to me to bring a person into the world whose fate depends on the kindness of strangers after your gone.
But the thing is, even if a kid could function I feel like a lot of parents would not want it unless it is going to be perfectly healthy or normal. That means no disabilities, physical or mental.
As I've said, I know my mother would have aborted me if she'd had the foresight. I can function in society and I provide for myself but she DESPISES having an autistic kid. And a lot of people are that way. I think that's why I feel so bad about the idea of letting someone abort if their kid is going to be disabled. It would stop a lot of potentially high functioning people from entering the world.
I just feel… nothing when I read all of what's been posted so far. Not even any emotion what so ever.>>92331>>92335
It's unlikely that I want a kid but for that one chance that I do, I would not hesitate to abort it. I already have arthritis and a shitty immune system so I don't want my child to suffer the same way or worse.
I mean, it honestly depends on how autistic/disabled the child would become. Even high functionin autistic children can be nightmares to deal with even though I'm sure you're lovely
there's also the risk of giving birth to a high functionin autistic person who's literally worse than hitler. It's a gamble.
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>There are people who actually disagree with eugenics and think it's "immoral"
See the fact that they will be picked on, marginalized and seen as lesser by so many people is why I would go for an abortion if my amnio showed downs.
If I didn't know and had a downs kid id keep custody and love the fuck out of it, because I don't think downs is such a big deal and people with it are frequently enormously wonderful people.
I mostly don't wanna bring a kid into the world that I know is gonna have significant challenges beyond the typically expected ones we all have. Ill raise my kids to stand up for the disabled kid on the playground but I don't wanna bring that disabled kid into the world knowing they'll likely need to be stood up for forever.
If you've already discussed this with your SO and know his opinion, you should be prepared for him to bounce if you decide to keep the unhealthy child. You may resent him if you abort and really wanted to have the damaged goods. Hopefully you'll never have to make this decision.>>92333
There's no test for autism yet, right? Do you part to not support eugenics by refusing to help with genetic studies of autism if tgat makes you feel better.
I know where you're coming from in a strict morality standpoint, but just take comfort in the fact that you can make personal decisions for yourself and others can make personal decisions for themselves. Some people aren't equipped to be loving, supportive parents of disabled children. It's good for those who know their personal limitations to not bite off more than they can chew.>>92338
You acknowledge that there's a chance the child could be low functioning, which means they would probably be unable to support themselves as adults. We all have finite resources. Why choose a child with the deck stacked against them when someone can try again for a child with better chances of being successful at life?
they have heart issues and other problems
and not all are functional and nice like you mentioned, severity varies
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In the end, you're basically caring for an expensive ugly baby doll. How is this not the same as just playing 'make believe' with their feelings, likes, and wants?>>92335
Fucking this. Who would want to live such a shitty life? If my life were to end up really bad at the time my mom got preggo, I wouldn't mind at all if my mom had the foresight to realize that nobody should have to live a life where they have less because of certain circumstances. People like this woman want to seem like saviors for not aborting their kids, but it's pretty fucking selfish to keep up this charade.
I'd rather take part in eugenics personally.
The entire plant is living in limited resources. It seems unreasonable to use them on people unable to live a full life.
When your horse breaks its legs, you shoot it.
When your dog is so old and arthritic its entire life hurts, you put it down.
If an unborn mass of cells is determined to be defective, why not abort? There's low chances of quality or quantity of life with many of the things tested for. Its kinder even than euthanasia. The thing is never even alive to begin with.
it says it on her blog somewhere.
the first one was was the one that didn't show any conditions, the second one did on their first scan
I would dispose of them the way white people dispose of their dog if it's suffering and spitting bubbles on the floor. You sound like a self important sadistic cunt to me. It's not about loving your children, it's about the status and ass pats you get from society for taking care of a miserable retard. Why do you think this cunt makes these videos? She thrives on the attention. Existing must be a living hell for those kids, especially with all the conditions listed in >>92222
If she loved her kids, she would have got an abortion, but nope. She's going to let them live their meaningless, uneventful lives of pain and torment. Gotta love that government money and Christfag donations.
Wait, then what do black people do with a suffering dog?
Are you implying that black people just let animals suffer? Jfc racist-chan, calm down. I'm sure euthanasia of suffering dying animals isn't just a white thing.
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Luckily I don't think they're concious enough to be miserable.
So true. People who aren't aware of just how challenging REAL autism is strike me as really uninformed. I want to take them to the home of an autistic child, or even adult, just for a day.
Autism is on a spectrum, so it can be normal and fine like aspergers or chrischan, the high functioning kind, but low functioning is its own circle of hell for both the parents and the child. The child being literally trapped in their mind, often accompanied by seizures and extreme fits of unexplained anger. Repetitions and routines that manage their lives. Inability to empathise, feel, recognise faces, recognise emotions. Some of these kids will never even speak.
I've got four cousins via two different aunts with autism and they're on the low functions end of the spectrum.
Their lives suck.
K's kids: Two of them had a feeding tube for years and one now has a jejunal tube. None are verbal, and all three require lifelong high levels of care. She's never gonna hear 'I love you mum' 'thanks mum' 'I got a job' 'I'm getting married' none of it. They just watch Disney DVDs and gesture and grunt.
R's kid: non verbal, never toulet trained, only eats fried chicken, only watches hi-5 DVDs, has destroyed his room (holes in walls, paint peeled off, windows smashed, shelves ripped down, wardrobes ripped out, doors broken)
He'd have fits of screaming and thrashing around so violently you couldn't go near him and by the age of 8 he could overpower his mum easily. They had to lock him in his bedroom with bolts on the outside of his door, or he would get up through the night and do bizarre shit like paint the walls with his shit or piss on the couch. Sometimes he would just start pushing people. He ended up in a care home.
sage for OT, but this applies to any handicapped family member, tbh.
i had a stint at a social services non-profit (it sucked ass) where i was handed a case involving a mentally ill woman trying to contact her kids. it hurt me to call them up to bug them about their mom, because i knew that she had always been toxic to them and that they were just trying their damned best to cut ties and finally live decent lives. i don't blame them one bit. i wish i could have told them that.
I really doubt I could raise a severely disabled child. Something like ADHD or stuff I could work with, but kids like this that require constant attention, medical help, can never live a normal, conscious life etc., I just couldn't do it. It wouldn't be fair to the "healthy" other child or the whole family OR the sick child to live a life completely revolving around vain attempts to try and make it work. More power to the people who want to live a life like this >>92365
but I just couldn't handle it.
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House cats are more sentient that these wretches
Not too late to abort where I live if your kid has a condition like this. It's abhorrent to even give birth to it at this stage tbh
I guess the US is different. You americans have some weird laws. No euthanasia, guns for everyone and no discrimination for being fat. Oh and pizza is legally a vegetable.
These, for sure. I'm a sibling too, and I can say with certainty having a severely disabled family member changes everyone's life in a very strong and distinctive way. And it affects every family member differently, especially factoring in age/gender/relation to the disabled individual. I would not blame her son at all for any resentment or loneliness he might struggle with.
"Taking care" of kids and adults with severe cognitive and developmental disabilities is a relatively new concept- and still foreign to most people. Titicut Follies was made pretty recently– the late 60's. Group homes still regularly abuse, assault, and neglect disabled people of all ages and backgrounds. It is very, very difficult to find some sort of outside placement for kids and adults who cannot survive by themselves, and things hardly ever improve.
So as a parent it's do or die, basically. For them, and for you in a way, if you are unfortunate enough to experience something like this. From what I've seen here, and after skimming through her blog, it seems like she has chosen to do one of the two most common methods of coping: projecting herself and her wishes onto her children to build her ideal family. The other option (if we are avoiding the "die" route) would be to face reality and allow her children's affliction to overcome her and swallow her entire being, which it seems she has managed to permanently deflect with her "teehee! we're fun! we're great! we're soooo happy!!!" attitude. >>92367
I never even thought about this. Good point.
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there are the regular mommy bloggers, then there are the special snowflake mommy bloggers
the special snowflake mommy bloggers clearly have psych problems that they're projecting onto their children, like Munchausen's by proxy but with social issues. I like the ones that don't have disabled children, but find other ways of having a fucked up family, like the ones that have "transgendered" 5 year olds or this piece of work.
I like this one because the mom is basically screaming "I'M NOT RACIST I'M NOT RACIST LOOK AT HOW NOT RACIST I AM I HAVE BLACK CHILDREN AND MY WHITE GIRLS PLAY WITH BLACK DOLLS"
you could give birth to a Chris Chan.
think about that.
so there are states where you can't terminate even when the mothers life is in danger, so the mother has to just die?
It's possible, which is why it's best to really overdo it with sonograms and such, even go to two different practitioners for it. It's what my sister did and what I'm planning to do, because nurses/doctors etc tend to notice different things and have different opinions, worryingly enough
can never be too paranoid
that is the face of a man who has been thoroughly cucked
great valentines day gift ideas tho, gotta admit
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this is what I mean by projecting
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last one, off topic, etc.
What the fuck, I hate when people imply shit like that, even if it's a joke.
It's you own kid, geez.
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Watching these only strengthened my resolve to get my tubes tied. I don't even want to risk it.
This, thank you.
It just means most people won't pass down their shit genes. Such cruelty, much suffering, woah. A person not having their own offspring is totes the worst fate ever.
So do you also eat meat, are you just a hypocrite? Look the glaring flaws in your logic in the eye. Face the fact that you're wrong and morality isn't black and white.
You're not better than others just because you, in the comfort of your home, sitting your fat ass on the chair, staring at your computer screen, you say you hypothetically wouldn't abort such a child. That you'd push your sister away if she came to you sobbing, telling you the scans showed her baby will have no brain. That you'd raise a child you have to bathe, change the diapers of an be chained to for 20 or more years. You'd do all those things and keep that shit eating grin you have on right now.
Holy shit calm down.
You kill a living creature for selfish reasons. Get over it anon. that's my damn opinion.
Unless you have been raped, are under 18 or have a health disease or condition, you shouldnt be allowed to abort.
and>do you also eat meat, are you just a hypocrite?
true, i do eat meat but theres a fucking difference between killing a human and killing an animal.
also good job at shitting on housewives.
guess working at minimum wage and sucking dicks all the time makes your life truly wonderful right?
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Exactly. You're better off taking care of an animal from the shelter, than a child like this. Just objectively in terms of the amount of neurons you would be firing off in a positive manner. At least a cat can enjoy eating a meal, at least a dog can bring some joy to people's faces. These children just bring suffering. All the smiles and joy they supposedly bring are fake and strained, just like the farce of a submedical economy keeping them alive.
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That's pretty disgusting. That she's sexualising her own children and fetishising another race in conjunction with that. I wonder if she ever gets a moment of clarity where she realises how hypocritical she is.
well i haven't killed a living creature to keep my job so i'm alright anon.
i hope you'll be okay if you ever get denied abortion
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What on earth are you blabbering on about?
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I simply said they're hypocrites. These people will preach pro life in the womb, but will walk over begging children. I've seen it first hand since I grew up in eastern europe. I've seen the most staunchly religious anti abortion people treat single mothers like shit, allowing their children to starve and suffer in misery.>>92641
and find all the "i" s. I refuse to debate someone who is a liar, so I am not going to respond to your posts anymore. And they're easy to notice since you type like a moron who can't hold a thought straight.
>>92643>calling me a moron for making stupid typos
you're honestly just desperate and just because im pro life doesnt mean i agree with children starving and shit. you do know people can multitask and care multiple things at once?
and being raised by one parent is bad.
Also my comment >>92631
didn't support pro-choice. People call themselves pro-choice only for abortion because "its empowering for women!!" but they're against everything else.
talk about hypocrisy.
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I feel so bad for this family. They're obviously trying so hard to make it all work. They seem like good people, and had these girls been born normal they would have had the greatest mother they could imagine.
She's strong and compassionate, but unfortunately so befuddled by her belief in a patronising god, that she believes he would want her to live a life of suffering. Like this is her cross to bear and god wants her to sufffer. No hun, god wanted you to abort and live a good long life with healthy kids and a happy husband.
It's too late now, she can't exactly smother them with a pillow, so I guess she's making the best of a bad situation at least.
I feel so bad for the children. they'll be bullied at school and they'll never have self-confidence. this is too sad
reminds me of how jail is shit nowadays.
i wish rapists and killers would get killed. they have no value.
why would you give them a second chance?
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Thanks for the laughs, anon(s).
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Try harder plz anon.
My husband is hardly a cock carousel, and any reasonable person would rather keep their steer than become a diaper-slave to a shitting houseplant with a 50+ year lifespan.
I guess because of this mamby pamby leftist humanitarian view we have of those who commit crimes. We don't see them as lesser and flawed, instead we see them as needing of help and resources. As children who were abused and thus more likely to commit a crime. There's also a whole system based around them which makes money off their incarceration, from lawyers, judges and cops to paralegals and even manufacturing companies. They need trials, cases and such to have extensive steps, procedures and to be time, money etc. intensive. A quick chop to the neck of every serial killer wouldn't make these vultures as much money.
Also the pearl clutchers would be upset.
Please fuck off.
Anon said he supports abortion in this case. Why can't you accept not everyone accept abortion in every case and fucking move on? Do you think everyone on this earth will have the same opinion? go back to tumblr or some shit
you just triggered
an extremist, do you really think anon will give up? just ignore it and anon will probably move on
You're right I would have been so much better off if my mum had of stayed with my heroin addict dad, ensuring I had two parents.
Without him around I missed learning vital skills such as self-injection, burglary, battery against strangers and how to discreetly get an overdosing person off your property without involving authorities.
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>>92661>wanting slaves>slave morality is wanting slaves
I don't think I've ever laughed this hard
It's disgusting rapists and murderers are allowed to have a second chance.
Heck, I dont give a shit if they get tortured to death. We passed from Hanged, drawn and quartered to "you killed a whole family and raped tons of children? youll stay in jail forever have a nice trip"
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I think I got anons triggers
. Why are you so mad over cell-masses?
You're Thartan 2.0 at this point.
Nobody is mad or upset. it's just you going apeshit because someone disagree with abortion
i called you an extremist because you are ruining this thread and think being against abortion is the same as slave logic or w/e
i guess i must have triggered
you a lot for you to write paragraphs though
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I care about anons family, and it's relevant to the discussion, so why not?
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They're not exactly children though. They're forever potatoes.
anon thinks all women should think like her otherwise they're men, you can tell anon is pretty dumb.
anyway, i would abort instead of having those children. this is too fucking sad
im that anon and i meant abortion in general.
im not against abortion in health cases like this though
this is cruel imo
Having a child if you want a child is a blessing. Having a child when you don't want a child is 'a misery'. It just means the ones who don't want it won't be forced to live in misery, it doesn't mean everyone will get mandatory abortions and be forced to hate kids.>>92679>>92661
'Slave' anon here are you fucking seriously telling me you people don't understand what I meant?
Holy fucking shit you robots and cunts are stupid. I'm getting the fuck out of here before this shit spreads.
and i mean cruel because the children will always be bullied and will probably cope with Body dysphoria or depression as they grow up.
the mother should have aborted at least the second child since or even the first
Births unholy monster spawn that can do nothing but squirm and maybe grunt.
'A miracle!! Thankyou heavens!'
Well it's true.
Being raised by a single parent isn't something recommended lol they have higher chances of having mental issues
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Dude, no offense but please stop derailing. Go start an anti abortion thread or something.
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holy shit tumblerina fuck off and stop making this thread more shit than it already is. At least contribute something.
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So you think they're less likely to get "mental disorders" from living with abusers, pedophiles, addicts, dangerously insane or just plain criminal?
In an ideal world sure, both parents are alive and not shitty wastes of oxygen but how likely do you think that actually happens?
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they well and truly are cabbages, aren't they? kek
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Please stop samefagging. Go back to r9k to cry about how women have the choice to not be broodmares anymore.
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holy shit, didn't realize this was the abortion thread
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This tweet makes no fucking sense
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men CAN give birth to babies.
Bernie needs to check his cis privilege.
Anything short of complete federal funding for abortions at every stage is apparently a war on women
Says the cis straight old white man
Because the types of people that disagree with it only understanding of eugenics was the extreme mandatory sterilization if you had a slight cough during WWII. Eugenics = Nazis
Also they're usually high and mighty type 'Well if it was MYYY kid I'd keep it and love it forever and it wouldn't be hard at all because I'm not a selfish person.' Despite never having to deal with any of the issues related to caring for a disabled person.
Chrischan is like medium at most. He is not a good example of high functioning autism.>>92495
Arkansas, the worst state. All states must allow abortion in the case it's harmful to the mother's life, regardless of individual state abortion laws. But there are ways around that, like fuckwad doctors postponing abortion 'consent' until it's considered too late.
this is so depressing
"We were on a trip together, and I was holding her in my arms as I often do. Apparently just the two of us went to run an errand, and while there, I needed to use both hands at the same time. I couldn't do so while also holding Lola, so because there was a counter in front of me, I said, "Miss P, I'm gonna need you to stand up. Put weight on your feet, baby girl. Mama needs to use her other hand." And my girl did JUST THAT. She stood. Her little body unfurled, her back straightened, and she beared weight through her feet. I could not believe what I was seeing. I finished what I had to do, and then on a whim, I decided to try something else…
I gently set my 2 foot tall, 12 pound, 9.5 year old daughter down on the floor next to me, I grabbed her hands, and I watched in awe as she proceeded to take steps. I let go with one hand, and because of how small she was, I bent over at the waist to hold her other hand, and again, she took off walking awkwardly. It was as if she'd been waiting to do so all her life.
Eventually, she let go of my hand entirely. She toddled down the stark, white, relatively empty hallway in front of me, and I literally watched in disbelief as it looked impossible for someone that petite to be walking at all. People all around us were staring with wide eyes. Tears were flowing down my cheeks as I cheered & cried & laughed & couldn't take my eyes off my sweet Lolita.
At one point, she started making clicking/sucking sounds with her mouth, and I realized that she might be hungry or thirsty. A lady nearby offered me a glass of water in a plastic cup with a lid and straw. I told her that Lola was unable to use a straw, but maybe we could take the lid off & I could try to carefully pour the water into her mouth. I was holding the glass with the straw when Lola pulled my hands closer to her mouth & DRANK OUT OF THE STRAW. She then walked off again, this time holding the glass! A few minutes later, I saw her take the lid off & point into the now empty glass to indicate she wanted more. Mind. Officially. Blown.
>I woke up shortly thereafter in complete shock, shook Scott's arm, & told him the whole damn story, giddy with excitement."
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She called it Lolita?
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> I know that my girls don't have to DO ANYTHING or ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING BIG (developmentally) for them to impact the world around them with their sweet spirits. I already love them with every fiber of my being ~ that happened as soon as I found out I was pregnant with them, and it grew a million-fold once I realized their genes were even more unique than most.
This is all so sad. I want to cry. This poor woman doesn't deserve this.
In places that aren't France Lolita is the Vladimir Nabokov book about a guy grooming and raping a little girl for years. Lolita is what he calls her.
Now women and jailbait dress up as sexy little girls and call themselves loli(ta)
There are only creepy connotations in this, considering her kid sure as shit isn't into the Japanese fashion of the same name.
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>>92762>"However, this dream was different. I don't know why I was meant to dream it, but this time it felt like such a gift. It felt a little bit like a fast forward of our lives… and as hard as it is for me to say this (I almost don't even want to go there), it almost felt like Heaven – how I imagine it will be when we reunite someday on the other side. I was able to see my little girl in such a different light. I know her heart inside & out already, but seeing her explore her world & delight in the little things felt like a lifetime worth of happiness condensed into one breathtaking moment."
I want to cry forever
"OK, so somehow, Polly Ann Pocket, all 9-10 whopping pounds of her, managed to defecate in her diaper in such a way that it not only filled the diaper itself & perhaps slightly escaped one or maybe even both leg holes… but instead she magically channeled this effortless, non-straining poo out a SINGLE leg-hole with such velocity and force that it actually was bubbling out through her darling, boutique sweater pants onto my hand and jeans and a burp rag in the general vicinity of this caca. It was one of those deuces where you almost don't even know where to start… how to proceed to rectum-fy… oops!!!… I mean RECTIFY the situation.
Scott tried to play it off on me, saying, "Since I'm The Shit Whisperer and all, I end up changing WAYYYYY more shitty diapers than you, so I'm just gonna let you handle this one."
I freak out, yelling, "Ummm, heeeeeeeeeeeeell no, get your ass over here & help me! This is wayyyyy more than a one-person job. I need you – right f'ing NOW!!!!!"
He hems & haws, then finally saunters over, sees the wreckage, and I think, fearing for his truck, decides he might want to help me after all. We both aren't sure where to start, Polly Ann is looking innocent as ever, and we're both in a full lather trying to get her disrobed while also maintaining the safety of the truck, its surroundings, my clothes, the seat, the door, the door jam, the floor, and our dung-covered daughter.
My mind is racing… what did she eat different than normal? OK, that would be NOTHING. Is she sick? Ummm, NO. Has she been really fussy? Not a bit. Did she sleep well last night? Ironically, she HAD. Anything different going on whatsoever? ZILCH. What the F is going on then?!??!? FULL MOON!??!?! F'in A.
I barely know where to touch, what to try to remove, it's all a clusterf*
. Scott dives into the skids, carefully pulls the pants down to expose Mrs. Poopypants' blow-out, which by this time has smeared down to her SOCK on that one leg. We act fast, remove the socks, curse some more, make note of Polly Ann's amused look on her face, proceed with pant-removal only to realize it's wayyyyy worse than we thought. FUDGE EVERYWHERE. Smell intensifying. Nausea in waves. I'm in Turd Town, and Lola's the Mayor. "
being doomed to an eternity of diaper changing is enough reason to tie them in a burlap sack and throw them off a bridge.
no jury comprised of parents with infants would convict them.
There was a thread on 4chan talking about using them as sextoys.
If I had a dick, I don't think it could get erect within a 5 mile radius.
well, the neural "wiring" for sexual pleasure is so basal and primitive that even these things with little more than a hindbrain could probably experience it
might be just about the only pleasure they're capable of feeling tbh
Somebody would put there dick in it and it wouldn't be hard to find.
Men stick their dicks in the my 600 lb life women, animals, newborn babies, dead bodies, etc.
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I feel bad for these little ones. They looks scared uncomfortable and confused all the time. What they have is hardly a life. And idk what to think about their mother showing them off so much on the internet.
Also idk if you guys know American Horror story, but there's been a character in a few seasons called Pepper (@ picture) and i read somewhere before her character was inspired by a real person who lived with some kind of disability. I wonder if this was the same these two kids have
If what you're attempting to communicate is that the woman who played Pepper is a microcephalic, then yes. Yes she is anon.
Did her tiny head give it away?
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Who could even think of something like that what the fuck
I don't want to live on the same planet with these people
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If you think that's bad then you are in for a hell of a ride.
Buckle up buckaroo.
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Yes she was a real person. She appeared in the movie 'Freaks'. Which is well worth seeing.
. Fuck now I can't remember.
"one of us, one of us!"
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So how much brain do these girls have roughly?
Is it just a stem and some simplified white matter or is it less complex than even that?
Pic sort of related, its anencephaly.
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Speaking of Zippy the Pinhead, this woman flaunts her disabled kids like a modern day freak show, whoring them out on insta, facebook and that website.
The kids don't know what the fuck's going on. She dresses them up like twats. Even though they don't know wtf is going on, even they deserve some shred of dignity, no?
If I'd ever been pregnant and found that I was spawning something that was hideously deformed or disabled where they're going to spend a life sat on a sofa shitting in a nappy I would've aborted. The couple had one kid that came out all wrong yet didn't take precautions to spawn again. They should have their asses thrown in jail or smthing. You've got to be really mentally ill or a sadist or MASSIVELY attention hungry to chance another pregnancy.
The woman's mentally ill beyond Christianity. Look at them sucking up all the publicity on facebook. They're loving that attention the Zika virus is giving them.
Fuck, they make me rage.
If she smothered them would anybody even bother looking for petechiae and shit to prove it?
Could she just pretend they had huge seizures and mercifully died?
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Is this a twitch or is she even capable of feeling smile?
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Well since they don't feel anything, it's arguably not cruelty. Also she takes great care of them. The only cruelty is towards herself and her own family.
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Well they are developmentally around the level of a newborn (a bit less) so why not? They're basically perpetual babies.
still wrong to dress them up and talk about their poop online 24/7. I get weird when people do that to their babies when it's not Halloween or a special occasion.
they're not accessories, they're humans. (barely, but still)
Holy shit they have nervous responses, stop the presses.
Plants also twitch from time to time and are able to absorb nutrients, but you don't see me putting ridiculous costumes on them.
If only it was as simple as that…
At least a baby is aware of their surroundings, they can move on their own and hold you and protest if they don't want something. These kids will never do that, the idea that they're just like babies is mere wishful thinking to soften the blow that you're changing the diapers of a potato sack.
Don't ever say shit like that.
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Pine trees being dressed up at Christmas. Ridiculous costumes. Lack of dignity. Lack of respect for nature.
She's just doing it for costumes.
She'd be exactly as happy with small obedient dogs to dress up.
These poor kids are basically not fucking there, not much going on besides a brainstem and she's just dressing them up and posing them like some kind of garbage pail kid-figurine
She's so addicted to being called incredible and a hero online that she probably thinks she's some sort of martyr.
I agree with you
The mum seems to be an attention whore, but insulting the disabled children is really pathetic.
i don't understand how babies come out this fucked up and the mothers haven't done anything wrong during pregnancy.
my money is on that she did hard drugs when she was preggers or something
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>>92944>a steam of tomatoes
I'm usually pretty good at deciphering what was intended when autocorrect fucks text up, but this has me stumped
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Nah, microcephaly isn't one of the defects you get in a drug-baby.
Sometimes nature can just randomly throw some fucked up genes into the mix. They'd probably be better off if they had been crack babies tbh.
you don't have to do anything wrong, or necessarily have bad genes. random chance can do this. not all combinations of gametes will successfully result in a normal baby.
a lot of women trying to get pregnant have had miscarriages of nonviable embryos that they thought was just their period. nature isn't perfect.
As a disabled person: fuck off.
We're not talking about down syndrome, with which you can possibly live a happy life.
We're talking about microcephaly, severe microcephaly, they're not even sentient, they can't even experience emotions likely.
Everyone fucking knows that disabled people are people too, but these things are equivalent to plants. They can't feel love, care and compassion, they can barely shit and eat.
Kudos to you if you as an example choose to keep a down syndrome baby, and have the money to give it a proper life, that's admirable.
But this, this is just abhorrent. They're like dogs, but more complacent, like dolls, but just a tiny bit more alive. They are only used for sympathy points and the lulz of putting costumes on, since you can't give anything back to them. They aren't disabled, they are no-abled, not really alive.
You're also pretty fucked up to say that parents DESERVE to get joy out of their children.
Really, fuck off.
Dogs are sentient!
Otherwise, I'm with you. Your analogy of a plant is most probably correct.
Some people, when in a hole, dig deeper. And that's what this woman did, driven by her delusional faith that everything would work out for the best. And where do you go from here? Because being on the same page as Hitler isn't a fun look for any civilised society.
This thread was, I'm guessing, not even to knock the kids. The fuckwit here is the mother.
I've commented already in this thread >>92827
and its even difficult to refer to the kids as anything but two really medically fucked humans whose existence is twitching now and again BECAUSE THATS A FACT. I feel nothing but sadness that they were born and how this woman treats them.
Nobody's taking the piss out of the disabled, Down's kids, people who can actually function. Nobody expects everyone with a debilitating illness to show the genius of Stephen Hawking but these children cant do anything at all. They're not a gift from God, they don't bring joy, its fucking depressing to see them dressed as lobsters. Its not cute, its fucking sick.
True, I was mostly talking about the whole obedient, easily to dress up.
You aren't immediately on the same page as Hitler for aborting something that you can barely call human and which isn't truly alive. There is an opinion in between abort all the disabled babies, and abort non of the disabled babies. Look at it case by case.
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>>93210>acrania and anencephaly
she was born with whatever brain she did have exposed to the air. and yet you're right, she was capable of more purposeful movement than the Hartley blobs.
the brain is a weird, strangely resilient thing in some cases.
this is one of my favorite cases, where a middle aged man was found to have a head full of cerebral spinal fluid, and almost no brain. he was only mildly retarded.
that doesn't mean that there's any hope for the Hartley girls.
>>93428>>how long do you all think these two will live for?
until they experience some sort of godawful medical complication that results from being a brainless bag of organs. the development of their bodies is obviously abnormal, so I wouldn't be surprised if they developed cardiac or respiratory problems.
>can they vocalize or react to anything?
I don't think they're even capable of crying
they really don't have the brain matter necessary to respond to sensory stimuli. they're probably mostly blind and deaf.
>how do they eat?
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The actress who played pepper on american horror story is a normal person jsyk.
The other anon noted that her character was inspired by a real person, not that she had the defect.
The real person was named Schlitze Surtees.
sage 4 ahs
This can apply to many animals, though.
Humans possess sentience as well as sapience.
These babies aren't sapient and probably aren't even sentient.>>92968
This isn't aimed at the children. It's aimed at the mother. She knew she was at risk of having another microcephalic baby, decided to get pregnant, and chose not to abort it even when doctors confirmed it was microcephalic.
Also, they're not just "disabled". They're essentially not human. This is far far worse than autism or Down syndrome.
It's still a sad case, because she's probably deluded herself into thinking they have thoughts and is doing all of this as a defense mechanism, but she's the only one being gawked at here.
This site's tragic http://www.adoptuskids.org/
Loads of them are fucked up mentally or physically and nobody wants them and they're not even an nth as fucked as the Hartley twins. Some of the siblings both have syndromes, so great choice on the part of the parents procreating then getting rid of them.
Their voices are like nails down a chalkboard.
Comments> he chose you as his mummy and daddy because he knew you would love him unconditionally god bless you all
Who the fuck believes this shit?
Shit, that cry broke my heart, it's so similar to the one of a normal little girl.
Yet she is less sentient than my rat pet.
sentience and humanity are two different things. I think cows and pigs have lives more worth living than certain people.
It would be a complex hypothetical measurement, but I guess it would take into consideration the creature's ability to feel, to respond to stimuli, to make cross connections in their brain etc.
there already is a scale of sentience, and some lives (of plants or fungi for example) are not like the lives of higher beings.
>>93641>no it's not
Okaaaay?…I mean it's a google search away. Lolita is more common in france than in the US, where it's just a name, not necessarily associated with the novel.
I mean, matilda was a pedo movie too, but plenty of americans call their kids matilda
lolita isn't so sullied as a name in certain cultures
It really isn't very common, but it is more common than in the US I think, and very few people know about the novel here.
The daughter of a famous singer (Renaud) is named Lolita.https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_S%C3%A9chan
Leon wasn't perving over Matilda though. It wasn't a paedo themed film.>>93692
Best hair in the world ever created, that is.>>93703
Can we just quit the DISABLED thing and say it as it is - these kids have NO BRAINS. They show signs of life, but so does mould.
But what does it hurt us if this poor grief stricken mother decides to project some personalities on them?
Hate the sin, not the sinner. She's a victim of peer pressure and christian mumbo jumbo which made her keep them.
It's an expression.
Hate the act not who brought it about, because those that do bad things aren't always bad people.
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it's funny how the only people who get offended by "retard" are the people who put their lives before their children's
i did some work in the places that take care of retarded children full time and the only people who got offended by the word were the parents that only visited once every 7-10 years while the people who used the "problematic
language" would take care of them full time.
sorry i REALLY hate how the very people that get offended by that word are the same people who don't actually give a shit
Idk if it makes a difference if the person was fully cognizant before losing brain function as opposed to never having enough brain matter to be fully cognizant, but the family probably grieves the situation differently.
One seems like a loss, the other a lost potential.
Sorta OT, everyone in my family knows my wishes about life support, and if I had some terrible accident I would fortunately be taken off the respirator as soon as my organs can be donated and allowed to die.
Would you guys prefer to be kept on life support?
Oh man I was only like 10 when I saw my first 65 red roses thing and its what made me adamant about people having my organs too.
I think if really prefer to be able to be for with any level of brain damage beyond the memory loss I already have. Losing cognitive function is the scariest thing possible imo.
I'm not allowed to donate blood which sucks tbh. The Red Cross ads are trying to sell the idea of donating with the cookie you get afterwards. I think they're really desperate for bloods.
Eva, Meg and Kina all died. So did Eva's mom D:
I'd love to donate because I am AB+ and we can only give to other AB's, but I am a very hard stick and it usually takes 3-4 attempts to get anything during a regular blood draw. IV's are worse, I have to get them in my hand.
If there's a chance of recovery, I want to be kept on until the chance of recovery drops below 2%.
If no chance of recovery and am a veggie, then what's the harm in donating? I won't feel it anyway, so it's the logical solution.
I can't believe all of them are gone wow
I didn't realize AB was so rare. I'm B- i think. But still, given how much blood is needed compared to what's donated the need for all of them is just crazy.
Cheers for donating anon. My sister is alive cause of you donators.
You do realise AB can accept O…Right?
It's nice to feel special, but you're not saving lives that wouldn't otherwise be saved.
Actually your AB blood can give plasma to anyone!
Your whole blood would only work for other AB's, but its still worthwhile since its so rare there's fewer opportunities to collect that blood type, so there's less to go around.
Sorry for OT. Politely saging
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Don't be a wuss. They give you free chocolate and a coffee. I love it.
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Wow I'm actually really freaked out about the necklace. I can't articulate why, but I picture the mother choosing it and thinking 'oh Claire will love this!!' Because she's still projecting a personality and whatever else on these kids.
Its the first thing to really make me sad about this family.
How does amber help teething?
Wouldn't she choke if she chewed it? Those things break and spill beads everywhere.
Or is she some crystal clutching hippy who thinks stones and mineral chunks have magic powers and auras and all that stuff retards love?
I wish you'd been aborted. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. In fact - I wish someone had aborted your mother.
I agree with this. I'm autistic (middle of the spectrum to the more neurotypical end on a good day) and I am specifically holding off on having kids until science can predict it in utero. I couldn't forgive myself for letting any child I gave birth to to live in pain. These kids are barely alive, but just because they can't react to stimuli doesn't mean they aren't in pain 24/7. (They probably are, the strain to the muscles of their hands alone must be rough)
I've made it clear to my boyfriend that we are using a donor, surrogate, or adopting because of the high chance of passing autism and the shit that comes with it to my offspring. (I'd rather adopt, less selfish that way)
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You shouldn't be triggered
by human beings.
You can have a scan to specifically look at brain size, or for the doctor to compare the head size in relation to the body. You will be permitted to have a late term abortion. If it is born like this, it will likely die, and if you allow doctors to, they might mercifully help you make their suffering shorter.
They freak me the fuck out too. I tend to hide all of them.>>97984
they're fucking repulsive.
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What proof do you have of their sentience, or lack of sentience?
Logically they have to have some brain matter, since they're not on ventilators and can move. How do you know how much brain matter they have exactly?
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Oh and you said "aren't even" as sentient as a pig, implying that pigs aren't particularly sentient.
I hope you know pigs have rich emotional and intellectual lives, relatively speaking, and are as smart as dogs, and their reasoning abilities can be compared to those of a two year old child. They're highly sentient animals, so a comparison to plants or insects might serve your idiom better.
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The word "even" implies something is not "even" as good/bad/whatever value as whatever you're comparing it to.
They don't have anencephaly, they have microcephaly.
Wat? I'm pretty sure you know what I'm saying.
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Yes I understood what you were saying. It was however not the right or best way for you to communicate your point, so I pointed that out.>>97999
Kek. That gesture is pretty much permanent for her.
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It's probably mostly due to the fact that they cannot walk, so there's muscle wasting going on, even with physio.
I will not repeat myself since this is becoming OT, but just in case you are genuinely unaware
>They aren't even as sentient as…>aren't even…>even…
"adverb used in comparisons for emphasis.
"he knows even less about it than I do""
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She does the rotor of a variety of shows, especially with this new zika thing going on. I believe I've seen her included and/or mentioned in 3 separate microcephaly news stories
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Has anyone ever seen baby Faith? She was born with anencephaly and her mother selfishly kept her alive for months with a feeding tube. She posted a bunch of videos and pics of her that are really freaky, knowing that she was missing most of her skull. Her blogspot is here: http://babyfaithhope.blogspot.com
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> She is still blinking them but it's as if the inside of her top eyelids are falling out. The right eyelid needs to be "stuffed" back under and held closed but I managed to prevent the left eyelid from drooping out. As soon as I saw it start to swell up I taped it closed and you know what… it sounds crazy and looks odd but it actually worked.
>>98008>Pigs are intelligent animals>Humans are more intelligent than pigs >These humans aren't even as intelligent as pigs
You've actually highlighted what I'm trying to explain in your own post. The key here is "In comparisons"
>The dead sea doesn't even have as much water as Lake Superior
Does this mean the dead sea is devoid of water? Or that it's small? No! The Dead sea is fucking huge. The statement tells you nothing about the dead sea aside that it is smaller than lake superior, it's a relative scale.
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That's horrid. That child must have been in a lot of pain. I can only hope she wasn't aware enough to feel it.
Shouldn't have, you mean. The infant is now dead.
Also, it's likely the tube was put in at the hospital, she didn't put it in herself. If she just ripped it out and allowed her child to starve to death she would have had faced criminal charges.
What would you have done in her situation?
Like many children with anencephaly doctors would rather not go to great lengths to keep them alive. It's very understandable because it is futile and takes resources and attention away from patients who actually have a chance to live.
Back in the 90s there was a huge controversy over this with a child known as Baby K: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_K
Baby K's mother was told to abort but refused because she was a christian. She kept fighting with doctors who didn't want to resuscitate her every time she stopped breathing. She had to be moved from hospital to hospital because of this. She lived for two years just constantly being brought back from the brink of death.
You're buying into the projection. I can't wrap up my mind around the fact that the mom says several in the blog that the older one has the bitching resting face because she's "a teen now and thinking pics are not cool".
Yeah, sure. It's a teenager thing, not a lack of brain thing.
>>92221>What would YOU if you found out your baby will have this condition?
Abort the fuck out of it. The child's gonna live a shit life and you too. Not "ableist" or anything, but if you can see on prenatal scans that the baby has such a damage, just be compassionate and abort it.
The parents make me so fucking mad, I bet they're praised by "prolife" dumbasses when literally all they do is treating their two disabled kids like circus animals, playing them around for the internet fame. Shitty people
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>being egoistic enough to let your own children suffer various diseases just because you're too scared to abort
>do that shit TWICE
>act like you're a strong mother for fucking up that bad
Abso-fucking-lutely disgusting. Maybe she is an undiagnosed retard herself. I feel so sorry for her healthy child.
Let's not talk about the money and energy 24/7 hour care would cost you, then.
I'm guessing you couldn't even put the brainless ones in an institution because they'd kill them in a fucking second.
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Wonder where the brother will be in a few years. Its hard to imagine him at some convention for literal no-brainers when he's 19.
In all honesty, that picture looks like it could pass as a child photo of Sindypoop.>>99498
Grumpy Cat went. So can yours.
The flying fuck? If I knew
that my children would be born as vegetables, I'd abort. It's not fair to them and they can't even function.
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Holy shit I literally hate this woman so much.
How can the kid be giving a side eye when they are pointing in every different direction?
Oh well, gotta make the best out of shit on a stick handed to you.
My cat can do a great deal more than that.
Plants turn to face the sun. This is about plant level.
Why does she call them Mimi and Misty (I think I heard Misty?) in videos if their names are Claire and Lola??
Their mum has 'crazy eyes.' You can tell she only kept them for the sole purpose of making herself look good, like she's suuuuch a great person.
I don't know why you'd feel like a bitch. How we define humanity is subjective and still deep within the throes of scientific debate, but what it essentially comes down to is what separates man from beast, that being not our physical form but rather our mental capabilities.
You can put a dog's brain in a human body and resulting being will still be that of a dog.
The reason these children make people feel so uncomfortable and call up sensations similar to that of the uncanny valley phenomena is because these kids aren't really human - not technically. They're little more than helpless cellular-instinct housed within a vaguely human shell… hell yeah it's fucking creepy.
imo it's fucking monstrous to keep them alive, they have no quality of life whatsoever, their life appears to be one of suffering.
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oh my god. how can anyone love this, this… thing?
For a normal child, that'd be cute. "Yeah, we're going to save your chicken!" Instead, they look fucking insane because the "child" doesn't even show up in the photos until 3/4 on the way in, and then they shove the toy in the retard's mouth
. Good fucking lord.
The photo is bad enough, but imagine the sounds it must be making to accompany that face. Yikes.>>104996
This was wonderfully described.
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Sage for samefag but imagine being this father. Imagine having a hard day at work, and coming home to your wife literally screaming at you about a rubber chicken. Like, I get he must be nuts too to go through with all that, but he probably lost it after having to put up with shit like this for too long. Or maybe being able to get away for a few hours helps him not to kill his whole family.
Most of you people are not parents, and it shows. Lemme tell you something about motherhood….you get what you get, and you don't pitch a fit. Once the baby is out, even if it's the ugliest thing you've ever seen, it will be the most beautiful and loved baby ever, because it's yours. Parents are blind to their own children, which is why most parents think their kids are the most beautiful/intelligent/special snowflake ever.
That being said, I would guess most humans have some kind of disability. Whether is be physical, mental, learning, behavioral, chronic illness, immune problem. It is not up to us to decide who gets to live and who doesn't. I have spent a lot of time in children's hospitals because I have one child who was born with OHVIRA syndrome (google it if you'd like) who also happens to have autism. When I see the moms wheeling their vegetables around, I feel nothing but the greatest sense of compassion. I admire their dedication to their children. And I feel LUCKY. Lucky that my kid ONLY has autism, and ONLY has OHVIRA syndrome. Raising a child with special needs gives you a whole new outlook on life. I'm a better human being and mother for having had the experience.
I do think the parents here are weirdos and attention whores. But these children are here, and short of murdering them, someone has to care for them. I give these people credit for being there and raising these kids despite knowing that they will never have anything resembling a normal life. And I can't fault the kids for being here. The brain is a mystery, and if they can cry, eat (swallow), breath without assistance, and have normal functioning automatic responses (heart beats, lungs work, etc) then they do have some brain tissue. They aren't brain dead. We really don't know what they are experiencing. Maybe they do absorb some of the stimulus they get.
It is not for us to judge who is worthy. There are plenty of neurotypical people in this world who don't deserve to live either (sociopaths and assholes) but we don't go around gunning them down either.
This is some chicken soup for the soul shit.
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Your tumblr is showing. How the hell did you find this place?
Let me tell you something cupcake, I am a parent and I would be damned if I would've done what this woman did. The fact that you're trying to compare your child's autism and OHVIRA to these two is sadly disproportionate. They are basically vegetables and have no indication of even being aware of what's going on around them, let alone have any higher thinking capacity. The worst part of all of this is that this woman was told the high risk factor of passing on this genetic condition and she fucking did it again. Two fucking kids that are little more than moving dolls that eat and shit. It's not even the hardship that the parents are going through that's the issue, what sort of quality of life do these kids have? They feel stimulus sure, like pain and discomfort, hunger and the need to expel. They stare at shiny and colorful things but have no understanding. What do you think is going to happen to them when their parents die? Who the hell is supposed to take care of them? Or will they even live that long? In the meantime they get to live in their discomfort and suffer spasms and seizures. The woman is a selfish cunt who is using her kids' disorders as a means for internet ass pats, period.
Sage for vitriol.
>>105372>When I see the moms wheeling their vegetables around, I feel nothing but the greatest sense of compassion.
Calling them "their vegetables" proves you also see them as less than human. And if you think you you'd able to put up with two flesh lumps who have less understanding than an insect and projectile vomit and shit all the time, you're lying to yourself. Oh and did I mention those lovely "greek cheese reeking hands"? Go back to Tumblr.
and this>I'm a better human being and mother for having had the experience.
Have you ever seen the results of animal hoarding? Deformed, sick dogs in a life of pain? They're euthanised because if you have any compassion you don't let them suffer. This is why places like Dignitas exist, to end human suffering.
Unfortunately these kids don't even have the capacity to ask for their lives to be ended. If these were mine and their life was being propped on a cushion, projectile vomiting and stinking of cheese, I'd go as high as I could to get their life medically terminated. If not, I'd probably smother them with a pillow.
Not who you're replying to but, I wouldn't have had a second one either.
That's what is particularly fucked up about this, to me. The firstborn is normal, the second-born has microcephaly. I'm sure they basically found their world flipped on end and so they learned all about microcephaly, risk factors etc. Soooo after having her second child, she knew the risk factors etc. and I'm sure somewhere someone could've drawn her a Punnett square to give her a visual of the odds of whether additional children would have the same defect. I'm sure doctors told her it was risky business and discouraged her from having another child… but no, she went and had a third child who also has microcephaly.
I totally get that some people don't want to adopt because "not muh blood, can't love it as much/ baby won't look like meeeee", but she basically condemned the youngest child. She knew the risks, gambled, and the child has to pay. It seems like she wanted 2 perma-babies, except normal infants get to experience more in life than these two poor souls. 2 perma-babies you can pose and do photoshoots with… and since they are not able to survive on their own, they can never leave someone's care re: no empty nest for momma. It all just reeks of selfishness… perhaps more than their hands reek of cheese.
Seriously though, if you find out you have risk factors etc. but want to expand your family, just adopt or maybe find a suitable donor without the same risks so 1 parent's genetics are expressed but in a way to lower the risk of such a horrible birth defect.
According to them, they had a 75% chance of conceiving a normal
child after their first microcephalic pregnancy, and they did not receive fetal measurements indicating microcephaly until after they were legally able to terminate the pregnancy in the state they live in (Kansas).
>>105372> it will be the most beautiful and loved baby ever, because it's yours.
Pretty sure thats the oxytocin talking
It pretty much forces mother to bond to baby
Fun fact its also released during orgasm which is why women form a stronger bond to sexual partners than men do
Sorry for double posting, but this comment appeared as I was typing >>107385
My mum is exactly like this: she's done everything she can since I was born to undercut any signs of independence and autonomy, and she's managed to make me fearful and anxious about pretty much everything, as well as fostering an intense co-dependence (me and her against my abusive dad) between us. I can't help thinking she'd have been more pleased with someone developmentally disabled as a child, given the extent to which she's tried to turn me into a stunted woman-child.
So many people just shouldn't be allowed to have kids, man.
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It looks so weird, like that nose does not belong on that face.
>>105372>Most of you people are not parents, and it shows.
That's a logical fallacy. Stopped reading there. If you can't make an argument beyond "You have to go through it to talk about it!!!111" your argument is not very good.
I don't have to have AIDS to know it's not awesome.
I completely agree. People like >>105372
spout that nonsense about true parents and their oxytocin high, but TRUE love and compassion is letting go.
We love animals and old/terminally ill people enough to allow them a dignified death, why not extend that to infants? Why do children have to shit themselves to death over a period of 5 years?
I don't know if this was posted already because I've only seen a few posts in here but omghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZr-xG1-zT0
why this song my god
This thread reminds me of the Jahi Mcmath case
Someone summarized it here :http://kesselrunin12parsecs.tumblr.com/
tldr; brain dead child being attended to by her mom to keep up the illusion that she is alive after 2 years
They don't eat by themselves. One of the girls have a feeding tube up her stomach, don't know about the other one and I believe that they don't control their bladders nor their sphincters, so they just flush everything down the moment it goes through their system.
As for crawling - their mother is delusional as hell, she probably moved her herself or pushed her off.
At least one of them can eat, because the mother has gone on a nutty rant about it. And I mean, they can obviously move, though whether they choose to or not is an entirely different matter.
But I agree with >>108941
anyway: they might as well be brain dead.>>108995
Dude, plants are alive even if they don't emit heat (and there are even plants that do emit heat). Please come up with better arguments.
Though the main argument here isn't whether they are alive or not; it's whether their life is considered a human-like life. The answer is no. They will never have desires or dreams of their own. They live by instinct alone. Because of that, they are indeed at plant level. That's also why we compare them to the brain-dead: because it's the closest a human will come to being a rock.
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How does someone get to be an adult whilst thinking plants aren't alive?
There's a whole world between sentient and alive anon. You poor dumbass.
I compared them to Jahi in the way that the mom seems to be selfish in doing everything possible to keep these girls alive, for her entertainment. Yes these girls can breathe on their own but what else can they do. They will never grow into an independently functional human and will probably continually require medical intervention to keep them alive.
Both families hold the disconcerting belief that their precious children will one day be functional and choose to keep them alive to prove it.
It was awful sarcasm. When literally no one can pick up on the fact that you're being sarcastic, you need to learn to convey it better. Maybe try italics next time. "These girls are clearly
Jfc, that's even more
fucked up. So we're literally watching in this video:
Lola: has a seizure
Mother: Baby gonna cry?!
Lola: continues seizing
And this is why you can have an abortion now. Back in the "good old days", abortion wasn't legal and women were suffering the consequences from back alley abortions.
Now, abortion being legal doesn't stop pro-lifers but most people than end up pregnant knowing the kid has little to no chance at life would terminate the pregnancy.
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These "girls" remind me of those baby dolls that cry and soil their diapers.
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It's sad when these toys can do more than her "daughters" ever could.
100000% agree with you.
I dont want my own children for a variety of reasons. But some of those reasons would be I would be terrified if I had a mentally disabled child. I also have bad mental illnesses and it runs very strongly in my moms side of the family. I hate to think of bringing another human being into this world with a large possibility that it would live their life with the same struggles I face.
I understand why people have a hard time making the decision to abort unhealthy, disabled babies or to rid them at birth. But have some mercy jesus
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Haven't read through the whole thread but the way these two girls look really remind me of this baby. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/meet-gabby-williams---9-year-old-4704634
I can agree to an extent. I was born with a disability and probably would have been aborted had my parents known about it.
I think conditions like this are just beyond hope though. These girls are hardly people, they just do not have brains developed enough to think or feel even on the level of someone with a severe developmental disability. They are just the slightest step up from vegetables and there's really no reason for them to live. They probably don't even know they're alive.
Holy shit, this post is 1 month old by now but I fucking love it. Just had to say it.
In hospitals too, straight after the mother had given birth the defected newborn was whisked away before she could see it and either placed in a home where usually they would die soon after due to poor care, illnesses not being treated or in the hospital the poor newborn would have a mercy death.
All of those processes are cruel, which is why abortion is the more humane way.
Sorry for sounding edgy as hell but I can't help but wonder what their genitalia is like. Or whether the fifteen yo veg is going through something resembling puberty, whether or not they could theoretically reproduce. I'd pay good money to see that.>>109500>>107775
But that's the thing, apparently these veggies can't even cry. She wants them to, but I don't think they're capable of that.
I just watched this videohttps://www.statnews.com/2016/03/07/microcephaly-video-excerpts/
The kid's not even an nth as fucked as the Hartley kids, but she said she would've had the pregnancy terminated if she'd known he'd been born with microcephaly BUT went ahead with a second pregnancy. What is WRONG with these people?
I don't think most 15-year-olds are interested in this snowflake's baby dolls.
Speaking of 15, that's how old the older statue is.
I'm 46. Chans have been a part of my internet life since I had access. Tastes change because the culture of a board changes (ie half chan /b. Barely visit there now), but it's true that just because you get older you suddenly stop finding gossip and bitching interesting.
Here I hide the weeb threads because at my age, that isn't something I find relevant to my life (although Margo is entertaining). I can still find humour in ridiculous behaviour, so …
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This picture makes me ill.
I was actually just about to post that picture. That is their son and his prom date right before prom. I can't imagine how awkward and mortifying that must of been for the both of them.
>Here, son, take a picture of you holding your two nearly braindead barely human sisters with your prom date so I can get asspats on my blog!
I wonder if their son was adopted or something, it's weird that he's so normal in comparison. I can't imagine how difficult his life is, I bet he gets picked on all the time. Poor kid.
Nope, he's not adopted. He was the first born. And yeah, he gets picked on, even by his own mom: >>92237
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This poor fucking kid. Children with siblings who have special needs already have trouble growing up "normally" from their unusual family dynamic. This letter really shows how much negativity has been drilled into his head. It reads like he constantly has to walk on eggshells.
It will be a miracle if this boy grows up to be a well-functioning individual.
These pictures makes me happy. I used to think bizarre shit no longer existed in our glorious, rational, advanced civilization, but… damn. This is some top tier crazy.
Think future people will look at our current shit the same way we do to witch burning?
>>128919>I hope you forgive me
I may be reading too much into this, but it sounds like he's not even sure if she will forgive him. Most people would say "Please forgive me." Instead, he's hoping she forgives him. It sounds like he feels unsafe/insecure in his own home, like he's not sure she wouldn't dump him off at the nearest truck stop if she could.
I think someone said this much earlier in the thread, but I hope he writes a book someday. I would love to hear his side of things.
The poor girl appears to be his long-time girlfriend: https://www.instagram.com/calhartley_nlha11/
It's odd to me how in a lot of their photos together, he's standing very stiff and awkward, and she kind of hangs on him.
At the same time, her instagram (https://www.instagram.com/kerby.kelly/
) is full of him, but doesn't have a single picture with his sisters. She even has a different prom photo (though I can't blame her at all
i don't think you are reading too much into it.
sad that his mom would post about this anyways, she came down way too hard on him to compensate for own insecurities
he and alyrealrecover's brother should write a book together
>>128810>Scott and I had a VERY loooooooooong talk about the whole ordeal, what Cal's punishment should be, and why our son would EVER do such a thing. We decided that his punishment would be this: He would have to call each of the other three children involved, apologize for using the word "retard" and explain to them why it is wrong and why no one should ever say it again. Secondly, he would write Scott & me a letter about his own thoughts, feelings and what he had learned – about his sisters, using that word, why it's inappropriate, why he won't do it again, how sorry he is, etc. It needed to be at least one notebook page in length.
Holy fuck, that kid needs to move out fast from his crazy mother and her shitting meat bags
Their son at least seems social.
To get away from crazy mother's shit, he probably spends a lot of time out of the house, doing sports, hanging with friends or gf.
For using the word retard?
Waste of oxygen is may be a better term I suppose, I hope that was his response.
I'm sure he has his move all planned out.
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WU TANG CLAN AIN'T NOTHIN' TA FUCK WIT
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okay.. I'm going to sound like a major asshole. But I finally figured out what they remind me of.
god, who hurt some of you guys?
^this lovely poster talks like they have some authority… reeeeally don't understand why you would do that. none of us are the authority on the girls. obviously their mom is. fucking DUH.
based on what she's posted on facebook and youtube, it's pretty clear that you're straight up wrong about most of what you said.
yeah, they're likely to be outlived by their folks. and?
the smaller girl is capable of voluntary vocalization and she cries regularly. the bigger girl vocalizes rarely, but she smiles voluntarily. they do have brains, their brains are just very small. they are not suffering; certain expressions and a greater frequency of seizures indicate when they are uncomfortable. the smaller girl has behaviors such as crying and throwing up to communicate when she's upset.
the smaller girl does not have a g-tube. she consumes her food orally. when she's very sick she gets an ng-tube to supplement her food intake.
as for anyone bitching about "exploitation" because a mom is posting like 3 pictures a month of her kids whom she's likely going to outlive: is oversharing on social media seriously a brand new concept for you??? virtually everyone does that. people dress their babies up in stupid, adorable costumes at Halloween all the goddamn time because CUTE. oversharing arguably becomes less appropriate when your kids get older, but these
kids are perpetually babies. they can't contextualize their mom's social media posts the way that, say, their older brother can - which is why his mom keeps it kind of vague when she blogs about how overprotective she is of him, and what not. any of us would play with kids like this in all the ways their folks are playing with them if we were live-in babysitters. its NORMAL. get some perspective. ok BYE
I'm not seeing any of that in the image you posted anon(not saying she doesn't, I don't know)
But I don't see anything wrong with her adopting black children or giving her children black dolls to play with unless she's forcing them to only play with those ones or some crazy shit
Yes it does? I don't believe it's a good analogy but surely you can tell it's saying "because men can't become pregnant, they can't properly empathize(note not sympathize) with a woman who is forced to carry an unwanted (though rape or otherwise) or unsustainable (i.e medical conditions)"
which is correct on some levels but of course #notallmen blah blah and because it's a shitty analogy being spouted by someone who more than likely doesn't want/know how to discuss the nuances and subtitles of complex issues like this.
TL;DR it makes sense, it's just that analogies for complex situations are literally retarded
>>157692>the smaller girl has behaviors such as crying and throwing up to communicate when she's upset.
Wow, what a great life!>is oversharing on social media seriously a brand new concept for you??? virtually everyone does that.
No everyone does NOT do that.>oversharing arguably becomes less appropriate when your kids get older, but these kids are perpetually babies.
So that means it's okay to put them on display forever and deny them basic dignity because they'll never mentally mature and can't fight you off?
ALL OF YOU ARE ASSHOLES! Every child has the right to live. Life is not a special privlege for the fortunate, the planned, and the perfect. You say these children are like babies. But no one makes comments about how worthless and annoying babies are and they should all be dead. It's true, children with microcephaly have the lowest IQs. But they can tell whether they are dead or alive. They can see. They can hear. They can smell. Touch. Taste. Vegtables cannot do any of those things. And children with microcephaly CAN enjoy music. Maybe not to they same degree as a "normal" person, but they still can. They can smile, and although rare, vocalize. They can be stimulized. They can be aware. They can be amuzed. And even if you refuse to believe this and still think that they are "veggies", you don't have to be so goddamn rude about it. It's one thing to politely say that you would abort them so they wouldn't "suffer". (They're not) But you take it to a whole neww level when you call te girls name like veggies and retarded, bitch about their mom and brother, and talk about wanting to burn them, cut their limbs off, stab them, and put them in animal testing facilities. Some one actually said "I want to experiment on them. Like poke them with needles and see how they react, burn them, cut off a few fingers, sew bits of them to each other. They would be great replacements for animals in cosmetic testing facilities." That is literally the cruelest thing anyone has ever said. I think that the person who wrote that should have their limbs cut off!!!!!!! And, when it all boils down to it, Claire and Lola are both someone else's kids. You have no fucking right to talk about them like that. Why? Because THEY AREN'T YOU'RE KIDS!!!!! So fuck you. And before you start with your bullshit about how I'm one of those old southern religious fuckers, I'm not. I live in New York, I don't go to church, I'm not religious, I'm 25, and I'm bisexual. And no, I don't have a "veggie" kid. In fact, I don't have any children. I just apose the idea of physically and verbaly asulting children because of their intellegence and head size. Or their family. It's fucking cruel. And if you do this, you're the retard. Peace out
the thing that turns them Into aubergines is either zika virus a gene defect or serve alcoholism
so I'm guessing either the mother did infect herself with zika on purpose or drank the whole pregnancy
>>157692>they do have brains, their brains are just very small.
Are you seriously stupid enough to think that we thought they had no brain in their head? Really? Of course they have physical brains.
When we say they have no brains, we mean that they are not cognizant. Sure, they can express discomfort, but so can a plant (moving out of the shade into the sun). That doesn't make them sentient.
>>158755>I'm not religious, I'm 25, and I'm bisexual. And no, I don't have a "veggie" kid. In fact, I don't have any children.
Sure Jan, the only Orie Finch I found on fb is a middle aged woman. You type like a middle aged woman, ironically. Anyway yeah, saying that you would cut off their limbs etc. is pretty fucked up but I think the anon who said it was either joking/being edgy or trolling, so there's no need to get so flustered. And yes, these kids are veggies, it's not "being cruel!!1" it's the truth, it's describing a fact. Literally the only thing that keeps people like you blabbering things about "Life is preciuuus they want to liiiive" is the fact that these children can't express their thoughts. We can't even be sure they have thoughts.
Saging for non-contribution.
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the resemblance is uncanny
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This is the kind of shit that keeps me up at night man. Genetic disorders like this make me question their evolutionary purpose for even existing in the gene pool in the first place.
Maybe autism may mutate into something beneficial or at least provide variation in the gene pool but this shit is just as aesthetically horrifying as it is debilitating to see in person. Huntingtons disease is a lethal allele but it persists in the genepool because symptoms for it only show up in later stages of people's lives in their 30s-50s.
Still the fact that this chick had 2 mircocephaly kids is remarkably rare, there must be something really wrong with her to allow these real life homunculus to live like this it's no way to live. If given the choice which they have no chance of even conceiving i can bet you a decent chunk of money that they would never want this horrible fucking life.
I'm very much pro choice because disorders like like exist.>>162711
Thankfully, these children aren't going to have more children, so at least it hopefully ends with them.
Well, unless their brother passes on the same fucked-up genes… Maybe he'll choose not to have children though.
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personally this thread also makes me sick
partially because of the reasons you stated but also mostly because i remember that blog entry about how their hands smell of feta cheese
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I can't look away from this family. It's not just the freak show part, strong as it is. A lot of it is the deranged mother and her proudly stupid, selfish antics. A few things she does, according to her:
- When she spots men volunteering to help disabled children, she stops her car and tears into them because their outfit says "retarded" in a way not intended to be malicious
- When told her young son used the word, she brutally chastises him, making him weep and write a lengthy note begging for forgiveness, despite the fact that these two gremlins have ensured this his own childhood is a fucking mess. The mother browbeats him into giving her consent to post this humiliating episode online
- She writes that it is annoying that people treat the girls like babies because they're actually much older, and that the girls deserve dignity. She then posts dozens of pictures with both girls dressed up in idiotic outfits, as well as a video of the teenage one repeatedly blasting ass.
- She acknowledges that when having the third child, she and her husband knew another deformed child was a distinct possibility, and, even when informed that the child would be like her sister, went on ahead and had it anyway, ensuring millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars down the drain, in addition to her son's childhood.
- An entire post about shitting her own pants. Really, a post about how she, the mother, shit herself.
- She tells people that the girls' affliction is "nothing to be scared of" and that they lead "normal" lives, perhaps convincing someone else out there to have such a baby and sentence themselves to a life of hardship and heartbreak.
And the son, man. Imagine being in his shoes. Every minute of every day, the goblins are there. Making weird sounds, their faces twitching constantly, their bowels randomly voiding. How many times has he changed his teenage sister's diaper? Thousands?
Every family dinner, every fun outing to a restaurant or a zoo, every car ride, every Christmas morning, those things are there. Does that house every have a moment where it doesn't reek of the sweet aroma of human shit? And the mom, not content to ruin the boy's home life, insists that the potatoes be injected into his social life as well. She even makes it so his basketball team has to fist bump them every game, and insists that his pretty girlfriend pose with them like dolls on their prom night.
How fucked up is all of this? And the girls themselves, wow. Does either one have even an iota of what could be considered consciousness? This is no way to make a human being live. If they are conscious in any way, they've known no joy whatsoever. Their life is purely a tribute to their parents' selfishness and vanity, as well as society's idiotic tendencies to mistake masochism for bravery.
anon and i have a severely autistic brother but i still find it funny to joke about autism and genetic disorders, I don't find it sickening at all I find it hilarious like a lot of other dark humor and interesting in the scope of human evolution. I'm actually studying biochemistry in the hopes of becoming a pathologist one day.
We really shouldn't feel uncomfortable about joking about disease and taboos because what may be considered taboo this decade will be laughable the next. It's important to be open and down to earth about things like this and not get swept away in emotion because we're afraid of looking "morally questionable". At the end of the day we're just bipedal apes pretending to have a moral high ground ahead of animals.
Of course this woman is selfish, the information is out there open for her to research she probably noticed implications during her pregnancy but ignored them willingly it would be somewhat forgivable if she had only one microphaly kid but the same shit happened twice. The guilt and burden is only on herself and her partner. It's pure selfishness only caring about the survival of her DNA even if it's in the form of weak and malformed mutants.>>162982
I'm so used to seeing fake ass shit this post nearly brings a tear to my eye.
The line has to be drawn when a situation becomes contempt for human life where severely afflicted people with genetic disease who are unable to react to basic stimuli and can barely perform basic living functions without jeopardizing there lives are forcibly thrust into a sad and empty existence.
Really this should be considered a form of passive torture.
>>162982>She writes that it is annoying that people treat the girls like babies
What does she expect? People end up treating the girls like babies because they are like babies in certain ways. They need the same level of care and attention. You can't treat them like everyday teens because they're not. Does she want people to sit down and attempt lengthy conversations with people that won't reply?
>And the son, man. Imagine being in his shoes.
I feel so bad for him. I know parents with disabled children will often give a little more attention to the kids with disabilities, but this mother takes it to a new level. It's not like the girls just occupy her time, she forces them to occupy his too.
Brava, anon; you make excellent points, especially the masochism and bravery bit. I did crack up at the line "the potatoes be injected into his social life as well," because … well, what a sentence!>>163031
"Passive torture" is right. Where the mother and her followers/sympathizers see 'brave speshul brave Jesus warrior brave sneauxflake', those of us who haven't lost our minds see it for what it is. She's the only retarded one in this situation (except maybe the dad, although I feel like the mother is the head of this little cult more than a co-leader).
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You'd rip the skin if you tried.
This shit is stupid, I have two kids but if either of them had to live with lifelong stuff like that, just terminate. I see nothing but humblebrags and desperate Facebook points because of how strong and braev they are!!
That family is messed up, the mom is just parading them around like show dogs and no one is even attempting to reign her in.
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god DAMN imagine getting your dick sucked by these little gods mistakes(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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See they have tastes in music just like everyone else
I wonder if these girls are in a sped program at school or something. I remember seeing a documentary on Discovery once about a teenage girl who never aged and was just a babby forever, and looked and functioned as an 18 month old. She went to a sped school and walked assisted and her mum still tried to dress her as a teenager even though there really weren't teenager clothes for her size.
These probably don't go to school or anything. Their life is just all being human props for blog photos and hospital visits probably.>>164289
If they outlive their parents, poor Cal is going to be stuck caring for them. >>164274
The younger one looks like she's in pain constantly, and like she's just so tired of her mom's shit already. Her face is always contorted into some awful shape like you'd see on a normal child that just realised he bumped his head. And she could've been saved from all this. They knew she would be born this way and could have done the humane thing and aborted. The older one just looks blissfully unaware of everything, which is probably for the best. I mean, they're both unaware, but Claire doesn't look like she's hurting nearly as much as Lola does. If there was an argument for euthanising humans, it's these people.>>164044
Just imagine her with her "I need to speak with your manager" haircut giving some poor teenage checkout boy at the supermarket hell because he assumed her girls were toddlers like they look and gave them stickers and balloons instead of flirting with them like the "normal teenage girls" she likes to pretend they are (when it's convenient… when it's not milking their disability for pity points…) That seems like a situation that would go down.
These are the rare taters so far out that they aren't even eligible for school. I've worked with disabled people before and the worst one had it a thousand times better than Claire or Lola.
I wonder if they have ever considered just not treating their next illness. The only thing I can think of in their defense is that they probably never expected that they would live anywhere near this long. Struggling to keep them alive is pure wheel spinning if they're never going to get better, and unlike a senile elderly person, they never had a real life in the fits place.
On the FB page, when asked if the girls when to school, Gwen replied that the don't but have 4 teachers that come out & homeschool the girls.
Reasons: they are afraid of them dying because they re not vaccinated and that they are not ready "socially" to attend school.
Gwen did not go into any further deetz though.
I wonder if these 4 teachers feel like they are making ANY progress teaching these kids for years. If so, what would these gains be?
I feel like this is the sort of shit Gwen should be bogging about, not herrrberrrderr look at this hairbow some dickhead paid me to blog about!!! lemme slap it on the girlzzzz head.. ok - aint they such teenage?!! herrrderr1!! gimmee money buy some blown glass ima martyr herrderr $$$$!!!
"Homeschool." By that she means physical thearpy, waving light-up rave toys in their faces, and putting them in someone's lap while the person dips their hands in paint and smears it across poster board.
If the girls can communicate, I'd like to see her offer them a yes or no question, with them motioning in one direction or another to answer. The fact that such a thing hasn't even been mentioned by mom suggests that they really can't understand shit.
Has the rave lights & hand smearing done anything? If so, what? Is it against some sort of truancy law if the 4 "teachers" don't come out & flip flop the veggies?
Are the teachers happy about what they're doing & think they are making progress, or is all they see is the $$$$?
It's really a burden because those kids are pretty much vegetables and they're going to need 24 hour care once the parents pass away. And the brother may or may not want to take care of them when they're older.
It's so selfish of the mom to have had another kid knowing the first one has some major issues.
It's certainly possible that the PT has helped, as the mom claims their vision and mobility have improved over the years. The question is, why bother if the girls have a level of consciousness of termite?
It's highly unlikely that either truly feels what we consider emotions such as love, anger, frustration, fear, joy, or boredom to be. They can respond to some basic stimuli, which certainly mimics emotion, but so can a fly. Why waste tens of thousands of hours on rehab for a potato?
As for the teachers, everyone is different, but from my experiences with special ed. types, most of them probably think the parents are idiots. They see this stuff more than anyone and are often the least sentimental about it. They're being paid by the state or insurance to be there so they do their jobs, but that doesn't mean they can't tell that the Hartley Taters are a huge waste of time and resources.
Special ed teachers are some of the most bitter people I have ever encountered. My mom worked as an assistant teacher in a special ed classroom for kids with behavioral problems and talking with her and her coworkers is like seeing the reality behind those "my kid is a vegetable but he's okay, really!" Hallmark movies. They all know those kids aren't ever going to live normal lives and the parents are actually the worst part of the job, because none of them want to accept that their kid isn't perfectly ordinary and can't live a perfectly ordinary life.
She had a six year old with serious issues who was attempting suicide–as in, he jumped off rooftops and drank cleaning liquid–and his single father wouldn't take the kid to therapy or give him medication because he was convinced his child was perfectly fine the way he was. The social worker in the classroom had to get custody turned over to the state so they could get the kid into a pediatric psych unit.
So those "four teachers" are probably just doing what they have to, but you can bet that the Hartley vegetables are on that "horror stories from work" list for them. I wonder how quickly they go through teachers.
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IRL Sausage Party
I can see why, she seems like such a whiner.
I grew up with a lot of exposure to disabled people and disability rights advocacy, I've come to accept that everyone runs the risk of having a kid with a congenital problem and unless you are super diligent with screenings and genetic testing (and it has a disability that can actually be identified during pregnancy) then it's just a thing that can happen? It's like she never even considered she could produce a retarded child and now she's upset b/c wah life is so hard. You signed up for this possibility when you decided to have a baby.
The Hartly girls are a completely new can of worms, but that lady's son could actually do shit and express emotions and probably bind emotionally with his family.
This is so sad; Claire was actually cute as a baby, and she looks like she could've been genuinely beautiful when she got older. Strange how Lola's condition must be worse, because she's always been a gremlin-looking little fucker.>>165216
I got you. Christ, I hold all sorts of stuff against my parents for passing down shitty genetics that have made my life miserable, so if I was one of these poor little sods and had a jot of self-awareness, I'd do my utmost to smother my parents to death then kill myself.
Fucking Christ this whole topic fucks with my mind. I was raised by a disabled mom who works in disability law and I've always been raised to support the disabled… but fuckin hell, I wouldn't want to diliberately let a child live a shitty life burdened with pain… abortion is such a tricky subject b/c the line between compassion and selfishness can be blurred so easily.. and the fetus's prognosis and overall quality of life isnt always clear…
Yeah fuck that. This is one of the many reasons I'm choosing to adopt. I'll never be faced with the "to abort or not to abort" decision if Im not the one having it woo I'll let other people deal with it
my aunt works with extremely disabled people
the ones with even the slightest about of self-awareness usually tend to off themselves (or atleast try or talk about wishing to die) from what i heard
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the parents always piss me off the worst
they just drop the kid off to put the burden on someone else and when they talk about legitimate problems they try to argue with them, yet they aren't even taking care of the kid but act like they can tell the people who are what their kid does and doesn't do.
they have no right to lord over the people who are doing the hard part of parenting for a child who is disabled for you
i wish that were true
there are still crazy ass female pro-lifers and crazy tater mom here and shilery clinton
and most female religious fanatics
the problem wouldnt simply be solved with "men can't argue"
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She obviously doesn't love Jaysus enough for him to put her on his mailing list.
What do you think about Clare & Lolas 'Twinsies' Aidan & Ty? Apparently their mom is "besties" with Gwen.
She had 2 tater babies THEN a younger typical child. How the hell do you risk a 3rd pregnancy after 2 taters? How, How, How???!
Perhaps she had Gwen to look up to as she had her first tater baby 3 years after Gwens youngest (Lola) was born. Do you think Gwen egged this women on in her delusion to have more children? Gwen even refers to their typical child as "mini Cal" CREEPY MUCH!??!!
To top it all off their child tater baby, Aidan, recently died at age 7.
I guess the whole "Real person trapped inside a non functioning body" is a side affect of this religion stuff.
After all, your brain can have no function, that's fine- but you've certainly got a SOUUUUL gaadammit!!!
That means you have hopes, dreams, a life, you're just like me!
A brain is just apart of this earthly body after all- useless.
You got a soul in their veggiebaby & we know it!
Did you even read the thread? She humiliates the poor kid by injecting his sisters into every part of his life, making his prom date hold them, making him write long apologies if he uses the word retard.>>167065>happy and content
One of her videos literally shows the kid having a seizure, so her face is contorting. Mom knows this, but laughs that "awww she's crying!". They have a multitude of health issues each beyond the mental, one has to be fed through a tube, their limbs are atrophied and contorted….it goes on. Their lives are neverending pain. Mom knew the second girl would be like this, but decided not to abort because muh little angel.>>167124
She endlessly dresses them in costumes, see>>97998
They're not talking about the Hooligan mom, they're talking about the mom in >>166932
. Did you even read the thread?
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This picture… WHY is the mom in an evening gown and full makeup?!
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oh boo hoo, you super retard.
can you read? it's not about your mom's disability, it's about those that are too horrible to not prevent.
This. The Tardley Taters mom is half of the freakshow.
"Here's a video of one of them ripping ass! Here's some pictures of the other one's shit-stained underwear! Here's one of them in the tub! Here's the 10,000th stupid costume I've bought for them!"
It's grotesque. And both look like they are in pain all the time. Only the older one shows any sign of consciousness whatsoever and even what she feels or sees is highly questionable. The other one is objectively stupider than a dog or cat, if not even an insect.
The other mom, the Aidan and Ty one, seems to treat her children better. Nothing on her blog about them crapping themselves, no endless pictures of her boys in dumb costumes, no psychotic baby-talk mixed with curse words. That, and the kids at least appear to be more content, whereas the Tardleys look like they are in their own personal Hell 24/7.
Let's just pretend that the Tardley mom and dad suddenly woke up sane and decided that they didn't want the taters anymore. What would they be able to do? Could they dump them off at some hospital? Could they just wait for them to get ill and not seek treatment? I'm talking about totally legal options, nothing illegal.
I don't think it's that easy, either. The government wants to avoid spending money on kids who have possible caretakers as much as possible. You have to have children forcibly removed from your home for them to go into state care, can't just drop them off at the orphanage. And who the hell would willingly adopt these things?
The kindest thing would've been to abort them.
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remember the end of the Tom Green Show opening? Yeah.
I don't consider it selfish
Your life would be shit and more important, your kids life would be shit too. That's hardly called living
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That was from when Lola almost died from chickenpox.
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Gots to take a selfie with my blotted emaciated pinhead for dem facebook likes
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Gwen gets a kick out of the faces they make when they're withering in pain.
Oh, and all of their bullshit physical therapy and homeschooling is funded by the American taxpayer.
The only thing this family likely pays for themselves is their mortgage, and even that is questionable.
The mom doesn't work. The dad works as a glassblower, which Google tells us has an average salary of $30k. Even if the dad runs his own business and does really well, no way he is bringing in much more than $40k.
So now they have three kids, including two that are so disabled they are basically just shit and piss factories. So in addition to extremely expensive "therapy" and "education" for two pinheads that can't move more than a few inches or count to two, the state is certainly paying for nearly everything.
Claire Tater and Lola Tater each probably use more healthcare resources in a year than 99% of people will use in their first 50 years. The family's groceries and other household supplies will be heavily subsidized. And, of course, they get tons of free stuff from private donors, from individual White Knights to charities obligated to supply them.
For these things, it is such a profound waste. Neither of them will ever be able to say "thank you" to anyone, or move across a room, or contribute anything to society. Certainly, their lives are a boon to specialty companies that make equipment for the severely disabled, but otherwise, they're a profound drain.
We have a good laugh at their expense, and some would call that cruel, but what's not instantly obvious is that the laughter is really at the parents' expense. The taters not only will never know that anyone laughs at them (other than the parents who seem to do so quite often), they likely can't grasp the concept, or having any feelings about it. It's the parents' insistence that the tard midgets are "normal" girls who are basically just regular people trapped in broken bodies.
And besides, you have to laugh or cry at the truly fucked up shit, so laugh away.
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Think Lonely Island.
I will never in all of my days understand people who defend pro-life SO much. It's always men too. I see some crazy batshit religious women do it too, but when I see so many men defending fetuses and being anti-abortion, calling it murder, etc, it boggles my mind.
No woman should be forced to carry a child full term, esp if it ends up being a severely disabled retard.
And this is why I believe in abortions. I hope the normal son grows up fast and high-tails it out of there.
Is there any particular reason why the mother doesn't work from home?
the even more infuriating thing is that if it was the other way around there's no way in HELL abortion would be illegal if the man were the one who had to carry and birth a child.
if it were possible to forcefully transfer your unwanted pregnancy onto a man he would abort immediately. ironic huh.
The girl basically does a few pushes, but nothing resembling walking. Why waste time with that? Where the hell does she have to go? The parents and revolving door of staff feed her, change her diapers, play with her, on and on.
I wonder how she feels. Is she actually in pain, or scared, or excited, or happy? Or is she too dim to even feel any of those?
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>>167292>You have to have children forcibly removed from your home for them to go into state care, can't just drop them off at the orphanage.
Every state in the US has safe haven laws (I assume you're from the US, since most people on this board are). Unless the kid is too old (most places specify that the kid must be <72 hours old), all you have to do is sign some paperwork saying you relinquish custody of the child and then hand it over. The safe haven provider usually has to (try to) contact the other parent, who can request full custody of the child. If they do so, you can be on the hook for child support. Otherwise, you're in the clear.
The state doesn't want to take care of your crotch fruit, but they're rather do that than have to fish your baby's corpse out of a dumpster.
Oh shut the fuck up. Both genders are nearly evenly split on the issue.
women = 50%
men = 44%
women = 41%
men = 51%
Source - http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/split-abortion-pro-choice-pro-life.aspx
>if it were possible to forcefully transfer your unwanted pregnancy onto a man he would abort immediately
You sound just as stupid as people that claim all prochoicers are slutty, sociopathic women who are too lazy and idiotic to use a condom. You're like Bizarro Rush Limbaugh.
I doubt they'll make it to thirty. I mean, their main issue (microcephaly) had an average life expectancy, but they also have a host of other disorders. Of course, people have surpassed doctors' expectations before. Maybe they'll outlive their parents after all.>>170035
It's basically a coin toss.
This is what the mother lists on their page:
Claire (the oldest)>microcephaly>dwarfism ("still undiagnosed")>Spastic Quadriplegia Cerebral Palsy>epilepsy>scoliosis>a g-tube (feeding tube in stomach)>Cortical Visual Impairment (CVI)>"and other issues"
Lola (the youngest):>microcephaly>dwarfism>reflux>Cortical Visual Impairment (CVI)>epilepsy>spastic quadriplegia cerebral palsy>kyphosis
He mustn't love her quite enough for that.>>169065
hope she's too dim to feel anything. As another anon mentioned upthread about their disabled friend who pretty much hates her parents for not aborting her, I can only imagine how much violent, raging hatred Claire would feel if she experienced emotions. >>169265
Shouldn't … laugh … can't … help it…>>169692
Christ almighty, can you imagine how much more nightmarish Lola's going to look with age? She looks like a demon baby from a horror film as it is (especially with that patchy baldness), so when she's even more wizened and withered … ugh. Poor little thing.
Surely, it could happen any time. They or their nurses have to monitor Lola 24/7, which surely means that the likliehood of her death is high if unsupervised.
The best thing that could be said in their defense is that they could have never anticipated that either girl would live this long, or even close to it. It makes the resources and time spent on them an even more tragic waste.
When she found out Claire had microcephaly she would undoubtedly have been prepared for the fact that she was unlikely to live for long too. She probably gave birth to her totally prepared that she could die within a year.
The longer Claire's lived, the more it's probably drove her nuts and fed into her delusions that she's a precious miracle child who's defied all medical expectations and come out a normal child. It would explain why she chose to keep Lola despite knowing she'd have the same condition; it's like she's convinced herself that both girls are miracles.
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I feel like an awful human being every time I see this thread, but I just can't not laugh.
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I showed my mom this thread and we both pretty much agree, just abort, this is not living. Neither for the kids nor the parents.
She told me a lot of stories, since she's seen some shit working as a nurse, and I'm going to share the one that is relevant to the thread.
She told me that in some hospitals, kids that were born like this, they just left them alone.
Like, no food, no nothing, and then they just eventually died.
Then they would tell the mother the baby died because of complications.
I thought it was a very humane thing to do, to free the mother from the burden, both physically and emotionally.
What could I be baiting for?
But anyway, unless my mom was trolling me, no.
Link to the Reddit post that an anon posted a few weeks ago really breaks my heart. If you don't remember or feel like scrolling, the Tl;dr is that the mom has a very disabled child, family is falling apart and can't afford the kid and doesn't know what to do. That's
when I feel a lot of pity. They're being real with their feelings instead of throwing around the words "Blessing!" Or "Miracles from God!!". I find t hard to believe them most of the time, I really do.
Problem is, not everyone believes in abortion. I remember this one couple, both super religious Christians. The mom had CF [cystic fibrosis] and needed lungs. She got pregnant despite doctors saying that it was a bad idea. The child has a host of disabilities related to being premature because the mom was dying and she had to deliver or else she would not get lungs in time.
Then the mom had the gall to go back to the hospital years later with her daughter and basically told the doctors that "see??? this wouldn't have happened if I listened to you and aborted my child"
And all this time, the family had to rely on donations from family and the church they belong to in order to pay for transplant and the related costs.
Not only that, but the mom refuses to tell the child that CF is fatal.
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Is Lola pregnant?
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Her eyes looked like puffy vaginas at first glance
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it's fucked up but the mom clearly loves Lola, the one who constantly projectile vomits and shits and only sleeps 30 minutes in a row, more than the other potato