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Jonathan (Jon) Aryan Jafari aka. Jontron has been mentioned in some other threads,but recently he seems to be getting into some milk-tier territory, so it might be time for him to have his own thread.
Rundown: > He has a history of facing accusations of racism and regularly made "ironic" racist jokes on Game Grumps.> He made some tweets during the women's march saying that supporting women was sexist sparking criticism.> He doubled down on this opinion on a stream with Sargon.
"Blaming whites for everything is like the Nazi's blaming Jews for everything."> On stream he said that Mexicans should make Mexico nice instead of coming to America, which sparked some drama between him and PeanutButterGamer.> A few days ago he got into political talk on twitter and then later debated a streamer called Destiny and came out looking smug and stupid. He kept dodging questions and said he was afraid of saying something that might come off as racist.
Selection of quotes from the stream:
"We've gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries. If you don't think we've gotten rid of discrimination, you're living in a fantasy land"
"Why is it when the chinese were trying to colonise tibet, why was that a save tibet situation but when it's white people… I'm using an analogy to try to give a parallel situation so you can see the hypocrisy"
"They're [whites] are not being killed, they're being displaced. You are the same guy who says that Europeans displaced the native Americans but apparently, when other people do it to white Americans, it's okay because fuck white people."
"Wealthy blacks also commit more crime than poor whites, that's a fact."
"I don't recall Trump ever saying anything explicitly racist."
Link to the debate: https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM
Links to his social media:
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RIP Jontron's career. :(
The debate was the stupidest and most infuriating thing I ever sat through aaa.
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Apparently Destiny thought that he was gonna step back from some of his more extreme opinions during the "debate" but he just got worse.
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The Jontron subreddit has shut down temporarily due to raiding and politic talk is now banned on his discord, too lol
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This is what happens when you let yourself be redpilled bois :^)
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OMGG hahahaha this image killed me! you have shown a new world to my sides!
He fell too far into the joke to the point where he didn't know where to stop, now on twitter he's tweeting back and forth with white supremacists who advocate for ethnic cleansing and genocide with 100% seriousness. He's like the kid in the back of class who keeps the joke going long after every one else has stopped and found it unfunny.
Dude isn't even white, but I am. Yet his Persian ass is offended on my behalf? How is he any different from an sjw?
He shouldn't be allowed to speak for me or my people. If he wanted to subscribe to some reddit bullshit, why didn't he choose fatpeoplehate instead of the_donald? Would've benefitted him far more.
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He basically got pissed off at SJWs and went too far to the other side. It's stupid : (
This peanutbuttergamer is kind of cute.
I said this in the communismkills thread but…
why are cute people more-or-less sane, while fat/ugly losers are always unhappy and have to take it out on other people? Why do they always have to drone on about "WHITE MASTURRRACE" when in most cases they aren't even white (Jewish in the case of CK, half-Persian in the case of JT) or any where near the "genetic perfection" that they drone on about?
Is this a coping mechanism for them?
are you retarded? non-whites are not a monochromatic group, regardless of what white people think. they are often even more hateful to each other than they are to white people. have you ever seen two people from JP and SK interact? it's often far worse than the way white people interact with either race. do you know in the middle east people kill thousands of other people on the basis of minor religious differences? yeah, and ask a black person how they feel about the jews.
the only person who feels "consistently villainized" by "everyone else" is you, probably because of your own victim complex.
I can think of a shitload of groups that are "consistently villainized by every other major and/or collective group(s) to the point that people of said major collective group are becoming more reactionary than ever before" and they don't even have to be on the basis of race.
Humans are hateful.
The only reason I'm not giving Jon a hard time for this is because I know that politics aren't his thing. Destiny, the supposed victor, called him out on Twitter. JonTron had nothing better to do, and accepted the debate. This same Destiny also got completely annihilated by Mister Metokur, who argued similar points to JonTron. The only difference was that Mister Metokur actually engages in political discussion, whereas JonTron's focus is on other things.
To be honest, Destiny has lost more debates than he has won. The only reason this particular one sparked out so fast is because it brought up that le "JonTron is a nazi xd" meme.
I don't think he's even noteworthy enough to have a thread about himself, considering the fact that he's actually a fairly genuine guy. He leans towards some nationalism, and is critical of illegal immigration. He respects the preservation of culture and values. To be honest, there's nothing wrong with that. Anyone who studied political history or military history for that matter would know he's not a national socialist, he's not a fascist, he's not a racist, he' just a comedian. I think people should really just get over it.
Idk when a guy with a large following goes public saying a bunch of stupid, racist shit I kinda think it's natural for everyone to be disappointed with him at the least.
Whilst I don't think Jontron is a racist, he did say a bunch of racist shit.
So, he should be forgiven for being a fucking moron and digging his own grave? He choice to be part of that debate and how can someone possibly be so shoved up their own ass to not know that it would backfire horribly?
Maybe he won't cry over losing, in his mind, the oversensitive PC WJSs in his fan pool but God damn, he HAD to have known a good chunk of people would not back him after that.
At best they'd consider him the token non-white member.
I'm really disappointed that Jon went too far. It's like you can't reach a middlepoint anymore it's either PoC are angels that do no wrong and whites should atone for their original sins or jews control the world and racial purity should be attained.
Truth is everyone should be given equal footing in life but coddling a minority in fear of being labeled racist is ridiculous. In my country they're so hellbent on defending arabs and muslims that they completly turn a blind eye to racists attacks done by them on other minorities.
Truth is a lot of them are awful because they feel like they don't belong and are stuck in poverty. Do they commit a lot of crimes ? Yes. Are they victims of racism and discrimination ? That too.
Can't we tackle both issues instead of pretending those two are exclusives ? I'm so tired of both sides to be honest, everyone is acting retarded.
PBG later went on to say he wasn't friends with him not from that but a previous situation.
Fucking awkward though as I watch/support people in the community Jon is still kind of a part of.
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I'm not saying this is true though, just interesting.
I feel like at this point, its not a joke.
>How is he any different from an sjw?
Its not, which is why I love when anti-sjws sperg and chimp out so much more than the snowflakes they claim to hate.
I bet you're that sperg who always uses Jontron reaction gifs
I told you to stop then. This guy is a massive retard. Like okay, you can have your alt right opinions idc. But at least be able to back them up. He's as dumb as Snoozy lmao
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Jontron still has not emerged from hiding. : (
MIT recently did a study about how most of the polarization/radicalization in politics is coming from the right-wing, they are moving further and further right.
which you dont necessarily "see" if you're just an average person, you feel like the left if moving further and further left too. but they showed that in the last decade the left has stayed relatively moderate (of course fringe groups will exist and tumblr will always be a loud minority) while the right is going further and further and further into radicalization.
i guess you can see that in the basic things that the US left wing wants. universal health care for example. 10 years ago that WAS a republican idea, romney pioneered with romneycare in mass. now, in 2017, the "right" treats universal healthcare like its the equivalent of communism. it's not.
we (being the people who are centre-right, centre-left, moderate) are not the ones who are radical or extremists. we are normal. it's them.
sometimes i look at news in my home country which a lot of alt-righters idolize (russia) and i swear to you that some of it is exactly the same as saudi arabia. if you want proof i can post it, but recently a guy is in jail facing prison for 7 years for playing pokemon go in a church for 5 min (thats seriously all he did, he walked in, talked to no one, played for five min, caught a pokemon and left, its on camera). and all of his government officials from his city (my hometown) are saying he needs to be locked up for as long as possible. IT'S LIKE FUCKING SAUDI ARABIA EXCEPT FOR CHRISTIANS. THIS IS WHAT THE ALT-RIGHT ASPIRES TO BE. i felt like i was taking crazy pills watching his court cases.
sorry for the long rant, but yeah. i'm just tired of these fucking radicals. fuck them.
I feel kind of conflicted because I find him funny but the stuff he said was ignorant as shit at best and racist at worst.
I kinda think he needs to apologise or at least address the whole thing.
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His ex gfs last name was Rodriguez. Somehow I am not surprised that they broke up
That movie was funny as fuck. What is there even to be offended at?
What happened? Did he watch too many shitty movies and lose his mind?
PBG doesn't condone Jon's views and he shaded him on Twitter before. See >>269646
If I remember correctly they went on after about how they could be friends and still disagree on their views or something like that. But that was before this stream shit went down, I have no idea what their situation is now.
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omg Jon is so problematic, I am triggered
What do you (and the rest of the people itt) expect?
He's literally been treated like a god his entire life, faced no adversary despite being a fat (and fairly stupid) piece of shit who just plays vidya and does comedy for a "career".
His entire life, his formitive years, people were telling him that his shit don't stink, that's he's ~~YOONIQUE~~ and smart and an inquisitive unlike "other people"
So what do people expect? This is someone who has never had to face hardship, has never had to face consequences for their actions, doesn't really understand what "hard" work is like (I'm talking about the 12 hours a day laying concrete physical labour type work, or getting a PhD w/o financial support - not making a million bucks for memes)
This is someone who has been upheld and treated like a golden boy his entire life. Why do people think he'd act any differently? He is not "relatable" regardless of what people imply, he is not someone grounded in the real world, the people around him are all likely yes-men who kiss his ass. This is someone who has likely never had the words "no" said to them, has never faced rejection up until now.
His ass has been coddled for his entire existence and this thread is just filled with more people going "omg im so shocked that the coddled spoiled rotten shut-in with zero discipline turned out to be a /pol/tard"
I'm not saying he should lose his job or his sponsors or any of that shit (although I would kek heartily at that) but he is a piece of shit and not everyone is going to like him or wait for him to come around. A lot of people straight up don't like him based on his unfunny recycled regurgitated "content" and he needs to get used to that, especially if he wants to air his opinions out. He's being a little drama queen and a huge little bitch, throwing a temper tantrum just because people disagree with him. He honestly must live in a bubble.
They aren't wrong though. Imagine being loved for literally anything you say or do. Eat an apple? People makes jokes about it. Say something repeatedly? You have fanart and merch made about it.
Most youtubers are basically massive manchildren who don't know the concept of actions having consequences because their fans will always get over it. I mean, check this thread and comments in general, people are basically writing off what he said because "Oh well he's funny so I'm disappointed but I'm not going to stop watching…">>270845
Nah, the coddling wasn't what turned him to /pol/. I think it's just living in an internet bubble with lots of exposure to shitty sites (/pol/ for an example) and no exposure to the real world so they think what is online is fact.
That's what I meant.
We all know here, honestly, that if he was an average person who was a non-youtuber and raised right and he got blasted this hard for his "debate" - I think he'd genuinely walk away questioning himself and his reasoning.
But he's ever been told that he's not the smartest, wittiest guy in the world. He's never been told he can be wrong. It sounds stupid but I don't think he's capable of introspection in that sense. It's kind of like the dunning-krueger effect, where some of the dumbest people believe they know everything.
I still have his smug laughter from the debate echoing in my head. So fucking smug.
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This shit is gold
We're moving more and more right because of the far left being more and more invasive and vocal.
I can't even talk about centrist policy without someone thinking it's a far-right stance. Every time that shit happens it pushes people further and polarizes more. I don't see how that's hard to grasp.
real /pol/ doesn't like Jon because he not only addressed his points like a retarded seal, but he's not white.
Doesn't matter what he says. He #1 was an idiot all through the "debate," and truepol just doesn't care to be "represented," by a sand nigger.
The study showed that outside college echo chambers and tumblr, there is no such thing as the "far left" - it showed that unless you specifically go looking for "far left" extremism, chances are you won't find it.
Every idea that you label as communist or socialist or "far left" was accepted by the right-leaning politicians in the US ten years ago, and the current ones all over Europe. Stop bullshitting, if people are assuming you are far-right it's because you're adopting far-right policies. The center hasn't changed, it's people like you (alt-right cucks) who think that it's gotten "more left leaning" (it hasn't)
The examples I gave with Romneycare, Bush's immigration policy and international funding policies, etc. When Angela Merkel was first elected this was seen as a shift towards the right and towards a more religious Germany. In the UK, the Tories have always been seen as the quintessental right wing and yet to cucks like you, they seem "left". In Canada, the CPC has always nominated politicians like Harper, and yet now this seems too "leftist" just because they believe in basic human rights, the existence of NATO, and humanitarian work.
People like you, and Jon "the Gene Pool" Tron are intellectually dishonest and arguing in ridiculously bad faith. The data has been crunched. It's the alt-right that has polarized, no one else. It is suspected to be due to the fact that Facebook sold data that wasn't collected with explicit authorization to many different conservative groups which then invested it into far-right propaganda - guys like Ailes, Murdoch, Mercer. It is no shock that the same data analytics company that worked on Brexit propaganda was involved in the US 2016 election and is involved all over Europe (NL, France). Really makes you think.
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lmao I watched this argument and psychicpebbles is acting like an SJW vagina
All Destiny said was that he thinks blue collar workers have it tougher than youtube animators. Surprise, surprise, they do. Now the entire art community is acting like they are some sort of slaves because egoraptor worked a summer job ONCE (gasp
) and said it was easy.
I heard someone compared psychicpebbles to a "starving artist" LMAO? yeah someone with a billion youtube subs is definitely a starving artist, gtfo here
shoe0nhead tried to dogpile on destiny too. watching people try to smear this guy just because they don't like how he BTFOed jon tron and nakedautist is fucking hilarious.
but yeah keep crying about how your hands and wrists hurting from drawing cartoons all day is the same thing as laying cement 80 hours a week. fucking tumblrinas.
Comparing labour work to animating is dishonest anyways to begin with.
Being in animation myself I don't think most people have a firm grasp on the works of the industry and how easily your rights, intellectual property and hours can be taken away for the sake of profit. Bad conditions, outsourcing and ambigious contracts come part of parcel of being in the gig. Contractors and commissioners at times can be difficult to work with and a tight schedule must be maintained for a project to reach an end goal, and getting credited isn't always for sure (Sausage Party). Hand and wrist injuries are serious, they can have a long term effect on your life and although labour workers face higher risks it's not something to scoff at.
Destiny also said in a tweet that
psychicpebbles has no right to complain about the current algorithm because he only posts about four times a year anyways. Web series can no longer be supported and the only sucessful style of animation currently is parody and storytime format which can be shoved out quicker (but not as quick as a beauty vlogger for example.) His stance is based on pure ignorance and yours is too.
I don't work blue collar work, I work in law. I know a lot of people look at my work and think it's easy because it is a desk job, and I know the feeling of "hand and wrist injuries" and potential carpal tunnel problems. It's not easy. No job is easy, but at the end of the day being animation and having an actual career IS FAR BETTER than being a blue collar worker. You likely get paid more than min wage, which unskilled blue collar workers struggle to ever see in their lifetime. Blue collar workers usually don't last in the industry longer than 10-20 years, whereas someone can stay in white collar work for decades.
You are acting like a special snowflake by harping on what Destiny said. There was nothing dishonest about his comparison. There is no realm where blue collar work is "easier" or "better" than a white collar job. You don't think that blue collar workers have to work with bad conditions, outsourcing and ambiguous contracts? Seriously? How self-involved and narcissistic do you have to be?
There is absolutely no way you can genuinely, in good faith, argue that blue collar work is easier/better/more fulfilling than animation or any other desk job. This is almost as ridiculous as when people try to say prostitution is better than white collar work.
This entire debate reeks of narcissism and "animators" being butthurt that their buddy JonTron was made out to be an idiot, so now they're latching onto one thing like special little snowflakes in an attempt to smear a guy. You can call mine/his stances "pure ignorance" but that doesn't change the facts.
Literally the ONLY reason that you are arguing these batshit insane points is because you and your buds are animators. That's it. No one in the real world sees your job as being tougher than a coal miner's. Fuck's sake.
I don't think you're understanding my argument. There's little point making a comparison between the two. Where did I state that being in animation was worse than being in a blue collar job? No animator is out there claiming that it's the opposite. A lot of animation news related article are not written by animators.
I think you're a little too on edge here. Animators in general just want better rights and to be recognised in the same vein that many blue collar workers do. Like what are you angry about here.
That was literally the argument Destiny made, that your jobs are cushy (if you are a successful animator, that is) in comparison to someone who has to work manual labour 80 hour weeks making jackshit.
The only reason we are having this discussion is because you and your friends started acting liker tumblrinas and crying about "oh no, our labour really IS hard work!" which wasn't the original argument. The original argument is that it is a better job than blue collar labour.
I'm angry because you are intentionally misrepresenting someone's point so that you can feel good about yourself and your career path. The people who took offence to what Destiny said did so out of bias and just want asspats, apparently.
Right here, you agree with him:>Where did I state that being in animation was worse than being in a blue collar job? No animator is out there claiming that it's the opposite
Yet you call him a "shmuck" a few posts before, because you are butthurt he brought this up. It's literally SJW tactics, he made you feel less ~*~SPESHUL~*~ so now your community is triggered
> Animators in general just want better rights and to be recognised in the same vein that many blue collar workers do
And no where did Destiny argue for the opposite. Where did he say that animators/workers in general don't deserve wortker's rights? He did not. You're just moving the goal posts because your original argument was indefensible.
Destiny wasn't being "ignorant" - he did not call your job a cake walk, or easy. He said it was easy relative to manual labour and other unskilled blue collar work. Which it is. If you disagree, I'm not sure why you don't quit animation and go get a job in construction.
The best part of all of this is that ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, were either silent or defended Jon "the Gene Pool" Tron when he made racist comments about black people and retweeted literal nazis. But Destiny makes some passing commentary about animators having it pretty good (they do) and you all got so triggered
. The narcissism in your "community" is so unbelievable.
Your community went on a witch hunt over a guy that made "ignorant" (depending on who you ask) comments about successful animators, yet outright defended or kept quiet about a man who was retweeting nazis about "white genocide". Just let that sink in. It is unbelievable.
I wouldn't be surprised if you're psychicpebble himself. Dude has been literally obsessing over this for days now. Someone needs to get him some therapy for NPD if this is what he does whenever someone makes snide passing comments about his life choices.
And:>An animator working 80 hours a week have it worst than the average blue collar. What's the point?
This is literally a quote on reddit from GamerGhazi. You people are so deluded. The reason that we (white collar workers) work 80 hours a week at a desk job IS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO BLUE COLLAR LABOUR TO SURVIVE. No one is forcing you to choose animation over "easier" (lol) work.
Huh? I didn't call him a schmuck. I only made these two posts >>272218
You need to chill.
I haven't supported JonTron since his earlier drama. His drama has nothing to do with the way I feel about Destiny's opinions. I don't even know the man enough to dislike or like him, I just don't agree with his opinions on animators.
Again, comparing blue collar work and animator work even by relative means is dishonest. They are two separate fields. I'm talking about rights and recognition as things animators generally appreciate and I'm not relating it to Destiny's points.
You're conflating this with psychicpebbles a little too much and although we can agree to disagree you accusing me of being him is just.. strange.
>GamerGhazi>The animation community.
Yeah, please calm down. Are you as triggered
as you're claiming me to be?
lmaoooo salty triggered
youtube animator tears
But Iranians are white.
In fact, their name literally means Aryan, and their homeland is in the Caucasus. They (Persians) are the proto-Caucasians and proto-Aryans.
Sage for ethnology lesson
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Interesting info, hopefully now anons will shut up about "omg he isn't white why is he defending white supremacists???"
But most white supremacists don't think of that area as white. Iranian meaning Aryan or not. Also, Aryan came from a Sanskrit word meaning noble/pure/etc and was an ethnic classification the Indo-Iranians used. It wasn't until Hitler that Aryan was used to mean white as in white and even then the Nazis thought that Aryans came from Atlantis and migrated to Tibet and then mutated into Tibetans. Which jumps over Iran and the Caucasus as a whole.
And honestly no matter what Aryan means, Jon is still arguing for people who are calling him sand nigger and stupid and so on and is arguing for a political platform that doesn't see him as either white or the right type of white. So to them he's useless. But he's still arguing.
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the people on this website? Destiny is factually wrong. You can hate Jontron and his animator friends all you want, but They were right on this one.
It's just sad that you hate someone so much that you would completely ignore facts and just say anyone who disagrees with you is triggered
. Sounds like the alt right cunts who call everybody a cuck.
I disagree with what you said about American culture. It might be hard to see when you're living there, but American culture is definitely a thing. I know that where I live, as well as in several other countries that I've been to, American culture has influenced the local culture. America isn't a mixed pot, it's a melting pot, and although there many diverse groups with different cultures within it, the US has developed a general culture that might be a little hard to see if you're from there, but definitely exists.
I still disagree with Jon, just wanted to point that out.
Nah, Destiny is right. If you have 1 million subs on youtube but you're struggling to make 6 figures you must really fucking suck. At the very least you could pump out some shitty low-effort content and how-to tutorials to pander to your audience and attain sponsorships instead of complaining on twitter 24/7.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
You realize I know artists who make 6 figures easily off of commission, youtube and patreon combined? If "animators" don't want to work then they should honestly find another job. I know a girl who works 6 days a week and is constantly either streaming, making videos, or trying to acquire more sponsors.
>b-but then i wouldn't be animating!!!!!!!!
You realize that a job (especially self-employment) is more than just one word, psychicpebbles? For example, dentists don't spend their entire workweek looking at teeth, only a small portion of it goes towards that - the rest is customer service, retail, and business/finance-related work.
If you can't make a living off of 1 mill youtube subs as an artist/animator/whatever, I don't know what to tell you other than you suck, psychicpebbles. You picked such a niche "career" path as an artist instead of branching out and adapting, and that is your fault and no one else's. Maybe if you played your cards right you would have been hired full-time by some sort of animation company or sponsored in the very least, but alas, it's easier to spend your time bitching on twitter. The funniest part in all of this is that art is such a subjective thing, and there are PLENTY of artists and animators who make 250k/year… so if you don't, maybe that says more about you than anyone else? I mean I love playing volleyball, but if I attempted to turn that into a career and fell flat on my face, I wouldn't spend weeks harassing people who call professional athletes lucky/blessed/wealthy.
This fat fuck should spend less time worrying about white people and more time at the gym. It is 2017, there is no excuse to look like this. People like this are a huge strain on the healthcare budget in every country in the world, and I'd argue that the "fat epidemic" and the side effects of it come with a higher cost for countries than immigrants do.
Seriously, it boggles my mind how anyone can take him seriously when he talks about anything other than his lame comedy shit. Just look at him. This is someone who is incapable of taking care of themselves, does not have the discipline to care about his health, thinks his toxic life decision is perfectly fine.
How can he get away with bitching about how the media handled him? The debate was a shit show, he made it abundantly clear that he is as stupid, unintelligent and undisciplined as he looks.
You're projecting, sweetie. You'd like to believe I am psychicpebbles because that would mean I care about this stupid online argument as much as you do. I am just laying out the facts, while you're making stupid points and throwing a tantrum.
At no point have I ever said that it's his career. In fact, I even said that he has a day job besides animating. He hasn't uploaded in over a year, what makes you think that youtube is his career?
As I said before, the argument was about how much animators make, and once again you refuse to acknowledge that you're completely, 100% wrong.
You're just an immature child who can't admit their own mistakes. Stop being so triggered
over people you don't even know.
To be fair, he has lost a lot of weight in the last year or two.
Doesn't make him any less shitty.
You're right. This thread is out of control.
I know lolcow is pretty much all about gossiping and talking shit about snowflakes, but people in this thread have let the hate go to their head to the point where they disregard common sense completely and become worse than the lolcow in question. It would be nice if everybody calmed down and remembered that none of this really matters, and it's just entertainment.
tf you mean? there's so much wrong with jontron/that video that banging on about his weight makes you
look utterly retarded, honestly.
Fat people should be shamed, I see no problem with it. He's fat, if he wants to be taken more seriously he should stop making poor life choices. >>273124
Psychicpebble, are you ever going to hop off his dick?
1) he's in the process of losing weight and used to be much fatter, if it matters that much to you
2) hurrdurr he's fat isn't funny or really relevant to any of his other issues in any way. if you want to discuss why he sucks so bad he couldn't win a debate against destiny the man child, the fact that he actually bought into /pol/ ideals, is a racist redpiller, etc, go for it. but going on about him being fat? wow good one. considering the fact he's dropped a bunch of weight in the last year, he's obviously aware of that.
seriously, you obsessive anachans need to chill the fuck out
mpa, pull, and underage users. >>273213
the video is unlisted, for the record
-jon says he was unprepared for the debate with destiny
-says a lot of what he said was misconstrued, says he sucks at debating
-says he was really speaking of the "tribalization" of the states, how everything is categorized into race/sexual orientation etc blah blah something something
-people who subscribe to this notion are hypocrites when whites try to do what's best for whites or something like that
-bangs on about this for awhile, backtracking, acknowledges black people a raw deal, etc
-says he was talking about mass immigration, he's a child of immigrant parents
-made this video against his better judgment but wanted to address it
not the best summary but I think those are the most relevant parts. like everyone said, pretty much just backtracking. then again, what else is he supposed to do.
You're still butthurt that not everyone wants to asslick fat people? Get over it.>>273226>what else is he supposed to do.
apologize on twitter and shut up? he even said that it was against better judgment, lol no surprise, these types of people continuously make bad decisions. if he's shit at politics (he is) the thing to do is shut the fuck up, admit you're wrong and admit you have no idea what you're talking about. instead he doubled in.
lmao well if you're a racist piece of shit and "apologize" what are you apologizing for? being racist? it's not going to fly. all he can really do is basically try to damage control the hell out of everything he said and put a big bandaid on it so it doesn't seem so bad.
also cut the hate boner for fatties, it's fucking weird? no one here is trying to asslick them, but it's a tired as fuck insult.
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jontron… actually handled this situation pretty well.
no it isn't, because he's just as fat as the last video
>when ppl dickride cows
if you don't like this thread, you can easily hide it instead of defending him.
There's a big problem with his tone here.
He's taking advantage of people satirically taking what he said out of proportion to excuse the actual facts of what he said and dismiss the actual problems with what he said; mainly, the manner in which he interpreted a lot of his statistics.
It isn't an apology or 'setting the record straight' when you say something like "what's with liberals and burning everything down when they don't like a statistic"- especially when the problem is that you attribute the statistic to something inherent that demographic instead of considering that it's a combination of being much more likely to have been raised in a low income area that still has lead in the walls and being born into a cycle of violence lots of people don't care about stopping.
Overall, I used to really enjoy Jontron, but his material has been getting pretty weak and samey- plus having heard all of the things he's said, a lot of his "in jest" politically incorrect jokes from the past don't feel so silly anymore.
>>273261>he's just as fat as the last video
i personally can't see his last video because…it's blocked in the US. the next most recent video on his channel is 3 months old and he appears thinner than that in this unlisted video. it's hard to objectively say because angles/can't see full body but his face and shoulders appear thinner. you sound like you need therapy tbh, you're fucking obsessed with this guy's weight and it has little bearing on his current drama. in the overall scheme of things, he is far
thinner than he was when he first started out.>>273278
agreed. since he first blew up, he hasn't really been the same, and I honestly don't know why he's popular anymore. he doesn't really produce content regularly. miss when he just did things like say "retarded" to trip out butthurt tumblrfags instead of go full /pol/tard and actually debate shitheads like destiny. how did this even happen.
You'd be surprised at how many fangirls are vehemently defending him right now after that video. It worked and ""corrected the record"" in their mind.
It's weird how e-celebs have cult-like followings, people who are capable of defending racism and stupid behaviour just because he's good at picking which regurgitated jokes to say.
In some social settings, saying what you just did would devolve into people talking shit about you behind your back, as if you're worse than Jon Tron himself. The cult-like idolization of idiots by other idiots really is something.
>>273290>since he first blew up
When was that? He was pretty big even before game grumps, and I think he started to spiral downwards a bit before that, but besides a dead cat bounce after he left GG his current stuff is atrocious.
>miss when he just did things like say "retarded" to trip out butthurt tumblrfags
That's neither really entertaining and I'd argue it probably wasn't intentional, I think that was just part of his vocabulary from an "earlier internet" kind of habit.
>how did this even happen.
I think having to work within a budget forced him to think and honestly a lot of his funny stuff is kind of a fluke. It's gone to his head.
i should clarify that it wasn't exactly entertaining but as far as being scandalous drama, it's leagues more tolerable than whatever is going on now.
i admit i got into him shortly after he left GG and since then it's really just been downhill.
>>273290>you sound like you need therapy tbh, you're fucking obsessed with this guy's weight and it has little bearing on his current drama.
You sound like you need therapy because you can't find the "hide" button on a thread. It's at the top. It's a simple button.
It makes sense why people would make fun of him being fat. Fat people are lazy. What he said in Destiny's debate thing was lazy. I could have argued his points better than he did and I don't even agree with him. Everything he said, it was lazy and disingenuous and very low-effort. He puts zero time and work into his body, into his politics, into his work-work (videos)… it's a valid criticism.
Even his recent "statement" video is lazy and low effort. The thing about Samantha Bee? What? She's a comedian. Only SJWs get triggered
by jokes like that. It's just all lazy.
His content, his persona, his politics all appeal to the lowest denominator. Like you said, you miss when he said thngs like "retarded" - the fuck? Have you seen reddit? 4chan? Facebook? The comments section on any article? People use that language all the time, yet here you are, giving him """credit""" for using a word that the majority of the internet uses, and only SJWs are butthurt about. This guy literally spends his entire shtick trying to irritate SJWs by acting like an SJW himself. It's not really funny.
devoting one long post solely to harping on jobtron's weight reads like pure autism. like I already pointed out, it's irrelevant to the drama that's already pouring out of the guy. there's an entire thread in /g/ dedicated to people being annoyed that all the shitposters do is hone in on "fat" and wield it like a weapon when there's a bunch of other things to discuss (and sometimes in the absence of anything to discuss, though that's not the case here). yeah he's fat. we know. we've got eyes.
if you read my above post, I clarified what I meant about "missed." you seem to mistake me for caring about jt when I don't. I agree with you his content is shit. I said his content has been going downhill in those exact posts you cherry picked. again, you see the word "fat" in a context you disagree with and go to town, apparently. if you can reply to this thread without remarking about jt's bmi anywhere in the post I'll be impressed.
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>ITT impotent rage over a fat unfunny guy making more money than them by doing literally nothing other than poking a stick in a beehive.
Jontron escapes what would be career-destroying drama unscathed. Jewtubers are truly untouchable.
Will we have to feel sorry for him when the youtube bubble bursts and he's forced to move back in with mommy and daddy?
If onion can escape being a pedo, jon tronny will keep on being an unfunny retard. And people (impressionable teen girls) will love them for it.
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OT, but I just saw that Sam Hyde retweeted this lol.
His twitter is insane. All the /pol/ bullshit he says/RTs is crazy. He's always been into that stuff, but now he's actually going down the rabbit hole. Last time I checked he was unironically watching infowars and obsessing over pizzagate.
His denial (i.e. "twitter must be forcing people to unfollow me :(…. fucking liberals censoring white ppl……") and delusions are pretty hilarious too
I've thought about making a thread about him, but I guess there are enough edgy youtuber threads already. That and since he's irrelevant, he's really just a typical /pol/ack.
Is stuff like "white tears lol" tweets really all that racist? I've seen so many white people lose their minds over these small things. Like, maybe online all the circlejerking clickbait articles about how white people suck can get annoying but if you go outside no one is shitting on white people left and right. I don't see any laws discriminating based on whiteness being passed anytime soon.
I thought this was interesting: http://www.people.hbs.edu/mnorton/norton%20sommers.pdf
P.S. I'm not racist against whites, I have many white friends.
are you talking about sam hyde or jon tron?
either way, assuming you're talking about hyde. fuck. i know. hyde is yet another unoriginal youtube loser who only edgy teens fawn over. i think if he was a girl, he would definitely be a cow because he's physically gross and unhygienic… but because he's a guy he gets a pass. i mean half of his videos he has pit stains and sauce stains and his teeth are crusty and he has acne all over and it looks like his lips are going to crumble off of his face based on how chapped they are. fuck. and his stint with pedophilia too.
I think the reason it blows me away that white people get so offended over white jokes is that growing up my white friends gave me and my other non-white friends SO much shit for our skin color. I have a Native American friend and my god we REALLY went in on him one day – several straight minutes of "HEY BRO YOU LIVE IN A FUCKIN TEEPEE DUDE?" Jokes like that were normal. Seeing white people get offended over white jokes makes me think that they're just scrambling for any victim card they can find.
That being said, I do
think it's super insulting when people assume white people are all coddled or had great lives or whatever just because they're white.
People are just looking for any excuse to be offended these days. Like the whole "social justice" shit with SJWs and anti-SJWs is just retarded.
It's an excuse to feel like unique special snowflakes. You say one thing and people go crazy and treat you like you're literally Hitler. I'm not talking about guys like Jon Tron who consistently fuck up (and then cry and act like the victim, just own it dude), I'm talking about people who use the word "retarded" once or tell someone to kill themselves, and suddenly they should be drawn and quartered.
I was talking about hyde. It's ironic he obsesses so much over pizzagate when it's he's dated several girls who were barely in their mid teens
And it's extremely
ironic he jokes about women hitting the wall all the time when he looks like the way he does and he's only in his early 30s. I was legit nauseated by his appearance in that Emma Watson vid, literally the first time I gagged at another human being's face.
When I was describing him I was thinking about that video too. It left me feeling like I need to shower. It was so nasty… fuck.
He's a lolcow through and through. I didn't know about his obsession with pizzagate, why is it that people obsessed with pizzagate are always massively projecting? I know a girl obsessed with it and she's also shady af. Pizzagaters are some weird miserable people.
He really is. I still kinda wanna make a thread since he does have a shit ton of milk, but he's also pretty boring now.
and yeah, idk why pizzagaters are so weird. I guess alex jones' words of wisdom rub off on them or something?
It's really nothing special. You'll get pretty much the same from watching Alex Jones compilations on youtube. I just saved some shit that I liked in case one day he goes fully insane and tries to get rid of all the memes.
I'm not these anons but:>>273559https://medium.com/startup-grind/how-the-trump-campaign-built-an-identity-database-and-used-facebook-ads-to-win-the-election-4ff7d24269ac#.uak64icsf
I can't find his blog post where he talks about the targeted ads because I got it from a psych professor who is his friend. >>273558
Under "importing political polarization"
Do you genuinely think Jon was the only star with a voice cameo or that alt right outrage when he's explicitly said he understands why they're dropped him is going to sink a high profile game?
The people who are upset about this are more lulzy than Jon.
And yes, I do. People- and not just the EBIL ALT-RIGHT- are tired of industry virtue signalling. Especially when the EBIL RACIST the company got rid of handles their termination with grace. And of course SJW aren't going to be there to pick up the slack, because that would require actually doing something and spending money.
People who think that consumers hosing not to spend their money on a product are "lulz" are idiots.
I'm sick of personalities, YT or otherwise, who think they're untouchable and don't need to keep professional.
If I said a FRACTION of the racist shit that jon has said at my job? Psh, I'd be fired too. Or at least disciplined.
Him and pewdiepie need to grow the fuck up and realize there are consequences to saying things that might piss a chunk of people off. Employers aren't gonna fuck with that.
I didn't mention the alt-right, nor did I call Jon an evil racist. What's your deal?
The idea is that Jon wasn't an employee, he wasn't "Terminated". This was voluntary cameo and it was well within the company's rights to not use it for any number of reasons. I'm not going to call it apolitical but it's their product that they've invested a lot of work into it, so if they feel like including the minor contribution they offered as an opportunity to someone is a bad call, due to that individual (who isn't really qualified or prepared to entertain debates on sensitive political topics) saying something quite inflammatory- that's their prerogative.
It isn't "virtue signalling", they disagree with Jon on something and don't want to be conflated with him.
>handles their termination with grace
Do you think they meant to antagonize him? Absolutely not, it was about as professionally as you can cut out a couple lines of dialogue from a game over something this sensitive.
>People who think that consumers hosing not to spend their money on a product are "lulz" are idiots.
The lulz comes from this grand crusade to boycott a game most of /v/ and /pol/ weren't going to buy anyways over a relatively minor event.
I mean think about it, Jon isn't mad, Jon PROBABLY still wants this game to be a success- he enjoys the genre and if this game is a hit there will be more like it. Why don't you go ask him if he wants his fans to dump it or not?
I disagree about Pewdiepie. While sure, there should be consequences, he has acknowleged that he went too far and apologized for the joke. The whole argument was not about whether or not what he said was ok, like some mainstream media will have you believe, but rather about the fact that they cut and manipulated different parts from his videos to portray him in a negative light.
The difference between Pewdiepie and JonTron is that Pewdiepie apologized and accepted the consequences, while Jon is off the fucking rails.
Honestly just don't bother trying to explain to people like that. They care more than Jon Tron and his sponsors do, combined.
They're antiSJWs, they'll throw a ragefit no matter what
Pewdiepie comes across as a pretty unfunny edgy comedian, but who doesn't actually believe anything racist. He seemed genuinely unaware and concerned by /pol/ appropriating him.
Jontron on the other hand has revealed himself to not only be anti-SJW/PC but an actual white nationalist. And like many WNs, he isn't too great at supporting his stances.
Ironic that the genuinely funny person (Jontron) turns out to be the racist and the unfunny edgelord is just a normal dude.
I can't wait to see how far he will actually go until he stops this holy shit
This is the best comedy he's produced in his entire life and he doesn't even have to try.
>I didn't mention the alt-right
>alt right outrage
What's your deal?
>and it was well within the company's rights to not use it for any number of reasons
And it's well within everyone's right to not buy the game, or ask for refunds if they've per-ordered it in response. Which is what's happening.
>It isn't "virtue signalling", they disagree with Jon on something and don't want to be conflated with him
Announcing that you're removing someone from your game because you disagree with their political stance is pretty much the definition of virtue signalling.
>Do you think they meant to antagonize him?
Are you going to pretend that SJW weren't hoping he'd rage and whine about being persecuted so they could triumphantly shout "AHA" and repost 7 year old seven year old memes about "White male tears"?
>The lulz comes from this grand crusade to boycott a game most of /v/ and /pol/ weren't going to buy anyways over a relatively minor event.
Where is this grand crusade?
>Jon PROBABLY still wants this game to be a success
I very much doubt that. Even if he does, so what?
Being fat has very little to do with any arguments about any of the cows on here, and it's only in the thread about a man that you take issue with it.
How about instead of worrying about "racism" you worry about your own internalized sexism and double standards?
He posted this in irony, right?
the comments from his fans and angry racists trying to get refunds is hysterical. hope playtonic sticks to their guns. this was a good move for them>>276319
the game won't tank just because of jontron drama especially since jontron at the very least isn't shittalking the game or telling people not to buy it bc MUH CENSORSHIP
Fph and jt coincided for a long time and I don't think anyone ever posted him, or if they did it was to choruses of "aw no I love him". Dude used to be funny and lovable (used to be is the operative phrase) so people didn't mind his sweaty chub.
On the topic of removing his contribution from a shitty Kickstarter indie game, I think it was a mistake purely for the fact that people contributed just FOR jt. Of course they're at no liberty to issue refunds at this point, but I can see chargebacks happening in which case the devs are gonna be crying. Jt himself was a huge contributor to the game but at least he didn't chimp about that and just accepted his fate.
Not everyone is a huge sell out who only cares about $$$ though, some people have principles and would rather create a game with people they get along with and can stand by, then create something that will be hyped up and net them big bucks.
As for him being funny and lovable at one point, that's what happens when you try so hard to be unique.
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>>276831>the comments from his fans and angry racists trying to get refunds is hysterical. hope playtonic sticks to their guns. this was a good move for them
This whole kickstarter situation seems awfully familiar. They could have done literally nothing and no one would even given it a second thought, now they used this whole situation as an excuse to virtue signal, and alienate a bunch of fans in the process.>good move for them
"sticking it to raysits and holding their money for ransom" it's really a smart business decision. If they value looking like virtuous white knights online more than the success of their game then I guess it's a "good" decision.
If they had done nothing people would have said that they are supporting his views. It's not a "virtue signal" it's business.
The other members of normalboots, other than PBG, who had said nothing about what Jon has said had to make statements on their views to get people off their backs. It would have come back on Playtonic since Jon doesn't seem to want to stop sticking his head up his own ass.
Who are you to presume that keeping Jonton in wouldn't have caused their product sales issues further down the line? It's not virtue signaling to dismiss people who say racist shit. It's called protecting the brand.
Tons of companies have done this.
>>277463>If they had done nothing people would have said that they are supporting his views. It's not a "virtue signal" it's business.
That's just setting a really bad precedent. If you think it's ok to snub a backer with a voice role for their political views, why not refund all of the racists their money, too? You can't really say the devs were in the right to snub Jon over politics but also say they're in the right for refusing to refund people over politics. Just admit you have a bias and stop pretending to be fair. >It would have come back on Playtonic
Then let's just surrender ultimate power to the SJW lynch mob. Whoever is subject to a neogaf email spam is beholden to their demands, sorry.>Jon doesn't seem to want to stop sticking his head up his own ass.
And countless celebrities and e-celebrities are parroting lefty talking points with no repercussions. Why should you care if an e-celeb talks politics, just like everyone else and their mother is doing? Oh, it's because he's not towing the line. You don't have a problem with political discussion, you just have a problem with what you see as "bad" political discussion.
Not comparing the actual end product, just how the "community management" is handling things.
"We don't want racists involved in our game!"
"Racists want their money back? Blocked."
Integrity is unknown to these people.
I find it funny how people itt think that companies shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions.
They didn't want JonTron. For whatever reason. Well within their right to do so. And no, they don't have to give his supporters their money back, they were funding the game, not JT himself. That's how kickstarters work.
JonTron should stop doubling down on stupid shit. The "skeptic" community is a bunch of self fellating dumbasses who get destroyed on a daily basis. It's very bad PR to keep pandering to these people if you want to make it in the mainstream since functioning adults aren't interested in this stuff.
>>277658>I find it funny how people itt think that companies shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions.
They can do whatever they like, but they shouldn't hold people's money for ransom and taunt those asking for refunds. If they are allowed to drop supporters over politics, their supporters should be allowed to drop them over politics.
>JonTron should stop doubling down on stupid shit
So left leaning e-celebs are free to spew all the politics they'd like and not get any pushback? The Y-L developers can be political but JonTron can't? Your leftie is showing.>The "skeptic" community is a bunch of self fellating dumbasses who get destroyed on a daily basis.
Only reasonable thing you've said.>It's very bad PR to keep pandering to these people
So it's bad PR to pander to people right of center but it's good PR to pander to people as far left as you like?
There seems to be an extreme double standard here. E-celebs and gamedevs can say leftie shit like "refugees welcome" and "diversity is a strength" 'till the cows come home and no one would ever accuse them of being too "political", but if anyone says "maybe we shouldn't have mass migration and maybe diversity is harming our society" people flip their shit and accuse them of being too political.
You're crazy if you think Jon Tron and the alt right is right of centre. His alt right beliefs are further right than the political norm for the US, which is already very right relative to other countries. Even in this thread people posted massive studies that prove you wrong.
So yeah, it is very bad PR to be retweeting Richard Spencer's friends. It's bad PR to associate with Armoured Skeptic and shoe0nhead, who are just retarded anti-SJWs. When you're in the public eye, you shouldn't associate yourself with retards. Notice how no one successful associates with Zoe Quinn or Brianna Wu, people watch from afar and mock them. Allison whatever her last name got fired from Nintendo for SJW shit. Left or right, if you spout shit that makes the moderate majority uncomfortable, you're done.
If you want any level of a professional career, you're basically required to remain centrist and moderate. Extremism - regardless of what you label it as - gets you fired. It's time to grow up and realize that adults don't want to work around assholes.
I know, expecting people to act like professionals, it's really unfair! /s
Let's just assume that what you said was true (it's absolutely not, btw), should Sweden and all of Europe still be obligated to take in millions of foreigners? It's gotten to the point that in most Western European nations their capital cities have become majority non-native, and if you look at the amountt of children being born to migrants, within a few generations the native Europeans will become minorities.
Why should the Europeans have to accept that? Why should they become Arab nations? It's not right to do this to them, and it's especially horrible to beat them down with "racist, nazi" when they protest.
Everyone would agree that if we imported so many somalians into Japan until the native Japanese were a small minority, it would be a tragedy. Why are we subjecting Europeans to this treatment? Why are people so quick to shout them down when they see what is happening and don't want it?
At this point Europeans shouldn't have to call foreigners "rapists" to get people to listen to them when they say they don't want anymore. It should be about keeping their historical populations intact.
Yes, and why is that a bad thing?
Also it links to 80% of the men not having a social security number, which points to refugees.
It's not a bias, they are a company that's starting up granted they are mostly ex Rare people, but they don't want this sort of thing on them right out of the gate. It's just a bad place for them to be right now, but that's the side they chose. As a business it's well within their right to remove content as they see fit.
And so what if it was a political decision and not business, only alt right can voice their beliefs? It's not like the left doesn't get shit on left and right thanks to SJW extremism. No one likes extremists of either side. And he is towing a line, if you're going to talk politics and race issues, know what you're talking about. Jon is just some idiot parroting what he's heard. He's shown someone "proof" for his point and showed that he's only capable of reading the title of an article. He's not talking politics as much as he's talking out of his ass.
sorry it was 2005. here is an article. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372>>277693
its not a bad thing and not only refugees fail to have social security numbers… before the refugee crisis the #1 immigration problem was from eastern european migrants, from former soviet satellite states, and north african migrants.
it's a bad thing because people misconstrue facts to suit their own narrative. like russia recently passed a new law on the decriminalization of domestic abuse, and people (usually stupid americans) shout about how it means theyre suddenly legalizing domestic abuse… false. americans cry about how the domestic abuse numbers have gone up… false. all that happened was that they made it decriminalized so that reporting would be easier & punishment would be easier to give… and lo and behold, because it is much easier to report and prosecute now, more people are actually reporting DV, the actual numbers haven't gone up.
in 2014, there was around 6000 rapes in sweden, in 2015 that number went down by a couple hundred, in 2015 it went back up to 6000. its almost like these things fluctuate. it has stayed around the 6k mark for TEN YEARS. a decade. and in 2006 was the first time it saw an increase, due to the law cited passed in 2005.
even with all your fearmongering, it seems as though the actual numbers have not changed in a decade. i wonder why. there was no syrian revolution a decade ago?
it's almost as if maybe syrian refugees are just a scapegoat, and the 80% of men raping without a social security number (citation needed) are north african economic migrants and illegal immigrants from poorer eastern european countries like belarus? lol? how convenient!
Recent migrants and refugees are pretty much interchangeable. There isn't much difference between Sweden's normal 3rd world migrant and your recent "refugee". There's hardly any women and children in either lot. The "refugees" just have a better excuse.
Regardless, Sweden is not obligated to take these people in, and even if none of the Arab/African men were raping, too many are coming in and they have too many babies. Swedes should be allowed to say they want no migrants since if this continues, Swedes will be a minority very soon.
they changed the law in 2005 and the numbers went up in 2006. in 2005 syria was still a prosperous country, no migration was coming from syria. it's almost like you use syrian migration as a scapegoat to try and fulfill someone else's agenda - erdogan, putin, assad, le pen? where were you 5-10 years ago crying about the africans coming into europe en masse, who have actually been proven to cause crime? no where.
but suddenly it is politically expedient for you to blame Syrian refugees, you do it. nevermind the fact that the UK had many rape scandals that had NOTHING to do with refugees, only economic migrants from pakistan, north africa, etc. no one cared then. specifically Rotherham, which again, was not Syrian refugees, but Pakistanians nearly a decade ago.
How many Syrians have committed terrorist attacks or rape and sweden, provide me a statistic.
it's almost like all brown people are not the same!
>>277344>"sticking it to raysits and holding their money for ransom" it's really a smart business decision. If they value looking like virtuous white knights online more than the success of their game then I guess it's a "good" decision.
It's not a horrible decision if interest in their game is far larger than people who stupidly invested money JUST because of Jontron's small role in the game or people who get turned off by any political bias in a company. Perhaps they even garnered more interest from this as well.>>277698
Considering the positive effects of multiculturalism and multilingualism on cognition and higher brain functionality, steadfast rejection of diversity isn't a great solution either. Why cripple the potential advancements and progress a society can make because the kids aren't shiny white anymore?
Okay, I think you're stuck on semantics. "Refugees" aren't Syrian families like the media and government pretends they are. "Refugees" are a grab bag of young male from the third world pouring in to Europe looking for benefits. Most people claiming to be refugees aren't even Syrian.>where were you 5-10 years ago crying about the africans coming into europe en masse, who have actually been proven to cause crime? no where.
Oh, I've been against this shit long before the "crisis" of 2015.>it's almost like all brown people are not the same!
But no brown people deserve to live freely in Europe. I don't care if there are a million starving Syrians, none of them deserve to come into my nation and live off of my money and change the demographics so badly my children's children will soon be minorities.
Wow, you're an idiot. Refugees apply for refugee status. They don't have money to come in like North African, Paki migrants do on a visa. Nor are they illegal immigrants like the people from Ukraine/Belarus.
Half of the load of Syrian refugees were children, and the remaining half split evenly between women and men. it's almost like children and their mothers need men to accompany them and work.
>There isn't much difference between Sweden's normal 3rd world migrant and your recent "refugee"
Citation needed? Syrian refugees are escaping a genocide - a genocide partially caused by YOUR people, "normal 3rd world migrants" are people that had enough money to come in on a visa, or illegally immigrate, they aren't escaping anything, they are just coming in to make money.
>none of the Arab/African men
Syrians are not Arabs or Africans. Again, brown people (if you could even call Syrian nationals "brown") are not all the same. I bet you think Indians are Arabs too, lol.
>Swedes should be allowed to say they want no migrants since if this continues, Swedes will be a minority very soon.
Swedes already had a say - they live in a democracy, it's almost like they don't want amerifats like Jon Tron speaking for them.
If Swedish people want to remain a majority, they should have children. It's that simple.
>>277707>Okay, I think you're stuck on semantics.
It is not semantics, it is important distinction to anyone who is not a racist.
>media and government pretends they are.
I'm not a batshit crazy conspiracy theorist, so yeah I believe the Swedish government and journalists over random anons from /pol/ and Putin's state sponsored media.
>"Refugees" are a grab bag of young male from the third world pouring in to Europe looking for benefits. Most people claiming to be refugees aren't even Syrian.
Where did you get this statement from? My own country took over 20k Syrian refugees, and 13k were children and the rest family. The government-sponsored refugees are vetted much more closely than "privately" sponsored ones.
>But no brown people deserve to live freely in Europe. I don't care if there are a million starving Syrians, none of them deserve to come into my nation and live off of my money and change the demographics so badly my children's children will soon be minorities.
Which country are you from? You don't sound like a swedish person with how little you know about sweden, you sound like a racist American who spends too much time on /pol/. Destroy a country so you can take its riches for yourself, and then let the people die out because fuck them, right? Colonialism never died.
>>277705>Considering the positive effects of multiculturalism and multilingualism on cognition and higher brain functionality,
What the absolute fuck are you talking about? Recent immigration has been lowering the average IQ of every western nation. The only nations getting an IQ boost from immigration are Saudi Arabia and some other Gulf states.>steadfast rejection of diversity isn't a great solution either.
And why not? We have lived without forced and massive amount of diversity through all of our history up until only very recently.>Why cripple the potential advancements and progress a society can make because the kids aren't shiny white anymore?
Because 3rd world children cannot produce western societies, for one, and secondly why should white nations be forced to change? Why is it Europe must no longer be white to suit your utopian ideas of "diversity"? Do you think that the Japanese would protest if the same policies were going on there? What if the majority of children being born in Japan were now North Africans? Would the Japanese have the right to resist or would that be too racist?
Diversity is a failed idea every single time it has been tried. You cannot name a single place in history where forcing Africans to live among Europeans have ended in some sort of rainbow utopia. No, it always ends in war, conflict, and subjugation. You can try again but there will be war in Europe when they lose their majority status.
The funniest thing is that this "alt-right" (and regular right and left, but to a lesser extent) will sponsor terrorism in countries like Syria, wait for them to be destroyed, and then rape the country for everything it is worth to enrich themselves and their own leaders.
They destroy the country absolutely so that it is nothing but rubble, leave millions of people literally homeless in some sort of post-apocalyptic war zone with no safe food or drinking water, in negative degree weather, and fuck those people, right? Americans are better than those people, much more deserving of having a roof over their head and food. /s
>>277712>Recent immigration has been lowering the average IQ of every western nation.
>The only nations getting an IQ boost from immigration are Saudi Arabia and some other Gulf states.
Funny how you support the real terrorist regimes, the ones who stone random liberal poets and women who act out. Actually, it's not funny. It falls in line with your alt-right belikefs.
>Do you think that the Japanese would protest if the same policies were going on there? What if the majority of children being born in Japan were now North Africans? Would the Japanese have the right to resist or would that be too racist?
Do you think Japanese children are happy, being born into a country with an eternal recession, forced to grow up and work 80 hours a week, forced to grow up in an economy where they can't have kids or families because people REEEE at even South Korean immigrants? I'm sure Japanese children are fucking ecstatic, they live in a country with the second highest suicide rate, after all. Nothing says happiness like hanging yourself at work because your entire life consists of being a corporate monkey from 6 am to 8 pm so that you can afford your grossly overpriced consumer goods. Definitely not a failed state! Perfect utopia!
You know I just love it when diversity advocates bring up Native Americans.
Because I agree. I agree that the Native Americans were treated horribly, and it was their right to claim their land. In the same way I think white Americans shouldn't quietly accept their fate. Sorry, just because there was an historical tragedy against the natives doesn't mean I'm going to accept 3rd world immigrants taking over the U.S. If you gave half a shit about the natives like you pretend you do, you wouldn't let other peoples come to take their land, either.>America as a country is not just now seeing mass immigration,
There is a world of difference between European migrants coming in to settle new land and 3rd worlders coming into an already developed nation ready to sponge off of the generous welfare state.>the only ones making a fuss are the ones that'd rather have a racist america that belongs to the white majority again.
"You're not allowed to have your own country because that would be racist". People are tired of playing your morality games.
okay, okay. you've proven to be nothing more than a /pol/ shill. multiple people have asked you for citations for your claims and you ignore them because you get all your talking points fed to you.
i bet you are so brainwashed that you think Ukraine belongs to Russia. i guess that is "different" because it is white people invading other white people, LOL.
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Here ya go, anon.>Funny how you support the real terrorist regimes,
I don't support Saudia Arabia in any single way, now you're just making shit up.
So Japanese people would finally be happy when their island nation becomes majority populated by Africans? Ok, maybe you should go ask a Japanese person and see if they agree. Maybe even do a poll. But why bother? You know what the results will be. Despite what you think is best for the Japanese (and becoming minorities is obviously the best thing to do!) they have a right to their nation and they have a right to fight back regardless of all of the bullshit you say would improve if their genetic line went to oblivion.
White Americans never got the right to vote on the 1965 act that changed the demographics of their nation against their favor, do you think if congress was told that in 70 years after the hart-cellar act that white Americans would become a minority they would sign it? No, I don't think so. You do not have the right to tell a nation of people that they must become minorities for your ideal of "progress", and when they have been tricked into doing so, you have no moral standing to say that they are wrong.
You will definitely see a rise in identity politics in America and Western Europe very soon, and it was all completely predictable but you refuse to take people's concerns about their own future seriously.
>>277724>okay, okay. you've proven to be nothing more than a /pol/ shill>White people and Japanese people should become minorities in their own nations because of progress>if you don't agree with that you're a shill.
No, not everyone agrees that they need to die out to make the world better.>i bet you are so brainwashed that you think Ukraine belongs to Russia
Nope. But you also accused me of supporting terrorist states just because you thought it up.
Anyway, it's pretty well documented that poverty can lower IQ and that IQ can change due to various factors over the course of a person's life. I would hazard the guess that most immigrants are not in the best mentally healthy conditions to do as well on an IQ test. That being said, the map you posted in >>277731
looks like it's based off of PISA scores which isn't an IQ test. Also doesn't correlate immigration at all, so maybe Western countries are just getting stupider overall.
>We have lived without forced and massive amount of diversity through all of our history up until only very recently
Even just the acceptance of Irish and Italian immigrants into "white society" is an example of the integration of diversity in society.
I'm not really sure how you can say that diversity has failed every single time when Western countries are all still incredibly prosperous and desired places to live despite all of the diversity that has been introduced and has grown. The fact that the US didn't immediately explode after the last big wave in Asian immigration pretty much proves that Western societies do fine under 3rd world children.
>Why should white nations be forced to change
It's not like other Arab countries are overburdened with refugees either. Nor is it like white nations never expected anyone else's nations to change for them, huh.
I think the native Americans were kinda racist because they didn't want to accept european cultrual enrichment tbh
I mean think of all of the economic benefits white people did for the native americans how can they be so racist and want to keep them out
>>277738>Poverty correlates to low IQ>Most migrants are impoverished>IQ is dropping in western nations
All things you said. You could literally connect the dots in your own post.
>muh italains and irish
They were always considered white. Just because they weren't popular doesn't mean they weren't considered white. It was mostly the fact that they were catholic and the Americans feared they had more allegiance to the church than America (which was considerably secular). And I'd say there is a world of a difference between an Irishman (who is Anglo-Saxon, just like the founding British immigrants) and Sub Saharan Africans, who were so evolutionary far behind Europeans they never invented the wheel or a written language.
>It's not like other Arab countries are overburdened with refugees either. Nor is it like white nations never expected anyone else's nations to change for them, huh.
It's almost like you dodged my question and ended with a non sequitur. So please, just tell me, why does Europe have to become majority non-white? What is the moral reasoning behind it, and why are they not permitted to dissent?
I know right. When will the native Americans learn that race doesn't matter and that we are all one race the human race and we are all interchangeable economic units with no vested interest in our culture and heritige at all. Those natives were blessed with vibrant european culture and cuisine and they only hated the europeans because they were racists.
I mean if they really didn't want to become minorities they should have just had more babies.
And if they're so worried about their culture being preserved then they should just let white people adopt it. I mean since their lineage and race doesn't matter a white person in a headdress dancing around a campfire is as good as any native who would do it. Get over yourselves, racist natives. White people do the jobs they don't want to do.
I love how the progressive argument for diversity goes from>it's good for you!>Oh yeah well you deserve it as punishment!
I'm sure that the Europeans of the future will gladly lay down and accept being taken over because they're just so sorry that their ancestors hurt other people hundreds of years ago.
Who said it's about progressiveness? It's about reaping what you sow.
>ignore Ukrainian invasion, ignore their cries for help, let Russia literally rape and pillage a sovereign country>cry when Ukrainians move to your Western European countries illegally to escape literal murder>fund Syrian terrorism, fund the revolution, then withdraw once Assad starts committing acts of genocide and Russia starts bombing the shit out of innocent people>cry when Syrians move to your Western European countries legally to escape literal murder>repeat with Romania, Belarus, Kosovo, Libya, Egypt, Iran, etc.>keep citing Russian propaganda anyway because you're too stupid to realize you've been scammed
it's almost as if you reap what you sow.
You can look up "Western IQ dropping" and find multiple sources on multiple websites, not just the one on the bottom right, none will tell you that is it due to mass immigration and white demographic decline, though. But if you compare white IQ to non-white immigrant IQ it paints a clear picture as to what is happening.https://www.yahoo.com/news/blogs/sideshow/researchers-western-iqs-dropped-14-points-over-last-180634194.html
Here's one I found with a 5 second google search.
So basically you're saying white people can't defend themselves because many centuries ago their ancestors were meanies. Ok, good luck trying to convince them that your ideas are great. I'm sure the Japanese would just lie down and let themselves get invaded by China, Korea, and the Philippines because they deserve it for past atrocities. Oh wait, they won't. And you probably wouldn't call them racist if they didn't want it, either.
>all of that shit you just said
None of that I agree with and you can thank neocons and neoliberals for war mongering and "nation building".>>277762
So because of corrupt politicians meddling in foreign affairs and historical events from hundreds of years ago white people as a whole need to be minorities in their own ancestral homelands? ok.
It is a multitude of reasons but inviting millions of immigrants from 3rd world nations with room temperature IQs who have a birth rate 5x that of native women obviously has something to do with it.
You were denying that there was a change in the first place so I googled it for you. There are other articles claiming that IQ is dropping because of immigration but I assumed you wouldn't accept them because you only accept one kind of propaganda.
>>277771>I'm sure the Japanese would just lie down and let themselves get invaded by China, Korea, and the Philippines because they deserve it for past atrocities
They won't have to, in hundred years their population won't even exist LOL!
>None of that I agree with and you can thank neocons and neoliberals for war mongering and "nation building".
Your side supported the Ukranian invasion and Syrian invasion, you don't get to blame neolibs/neocons right now. Go ask Papa Putin what he expected would happen when you try to commit genocide.
everything you say is bullshit because chinese and slavs have a higher IQ than you ameripigs
I never denied this. You must also take American IQ with a grain of salt since all of the diversity America has, if I remember correctly white America is on par with Belgium so far as IQ and test scores go.> chinese people are definitely NOT considered white.
Never said they were. Chinese people have the right to their homeland no matter what their IQ is, however.
I am not a eugenicist or a racial/IQ supremacist. I believe all races and nationalities have a right to preserve their people and their sovereignty. I don't care if white IQ is below east asians, I want my country to remain white just as I would expect an Asian would want their country to remain the same.
>>277774>They won't have to, in hundred years their population won't even exist LOL!
Ok do you see why people don't agree with what you are saying? You're basically advocating forced retribution for inter-generational historical atrocities. And then laughing at the misfortune of those at the receiving end.
I don't really want my country to be taken over (by any means) because other white people took advantage of brown people before I was born.
No one else wants this either besides morally stunted ideologues who don't even have to suffer through the consequences anyways.
I understand what you are saying at a macro-level, but nobody is going to ever agree with you when their lives are the ones being affected. You will assuredly see that people fight back instead of dying off like you think they deserve.>Your side supported the Ukranian invasion and Syrian invasion
I honestly don't know why you're tying to pin this on me because I don't agree with it. Maybe you should adopt another talking point. I don't have any affinity for Putin and I'm only concerned about the people of western nations, not their governments or leaders.
In the case of white people, you are.
White birthrate is also extremely low, and you said they deserve what's coming to them.
Sounds like you are upset at white people and want them to be punished by the form of conquest.
You sound like an extremely bitter SJW whose only knowledge of world history starts at slavery and ends at colonialism. Despite what you think white people deserve, they will ultimately fight back against their own extinction, as they have every single time they were faced with an existential threat.
If a cougar kills a wolf to eat you would say it is reasonable for the rest of the pack to attack the cougar and its cubs in retribution, but you'd be stupid to think that the cougar wouldn't fight back for the sake of it's own survival, despite how deserving it is. You can make the case that whites deserve do be conquered and plundered, but to think they don't even have the right to resist is just retarded and no one will think of what you said and chose to lay down and die.
White people have the right to exist in their own nations despite all of the problems you have with them. They aren't going to stop existing because they were reasoned with, they will fight.
White people are the ones voting against their own race; seems to me like most white people aren't concerned to the level that you think they are.
Why get mad at minorities when whites are cucking themselves?
>>277795>seems to me like most white people aren't concerned to the level that you think they are.
They are. Poor and working class whites that progressives like to deride so much are the most "racist" and vote to strangle the government of their diversity agenda.
Rich liberals will always white-flight away from the diversity they love so much.
Look at how segregated the US and Europe are. We may all live in the same country but within the nation all racial groups are separated.
You must also consider the fact that the current corrupt government simply will not let whites vote for their own ethnic interests. Just as they did not allow for the population to vote for the very policy that started multiculturalism in the first place. Our government has programs specifically designed to neuter white interests and break up white ethnic enclaves.>Why get mad at minorities when whites are cucking themselves?
I'm not actually mad at the minorities. I understand perfectly why they are doing what they are doing. They are taking advantage of a generous offer given to them by white governments at the expense of white people. Humanity is a struggle, all groups work to benefit their own and it usually comes at the cost of another group. Whites have lived so long without the need for identity politics in the modern era, but since their identity is being threatened you can see a huge rise in white identity movements.
You do not see identity politics in countries that are homogeneous, which white countries were for thousands of years. Once whites become a plurality you will see that they'll form their own interest groups as blacks/browns are doing today. It's already happening and it isn't going to go away. This is the end result of diversity. Conflict via proximity, competing groups fighting for the same resources in the same area.
Basically the governments of white nations are all corrupted and working in tandem to supplant their native populations with easier to manage non-whites, and deflect all criticism by crying "racism", a label which all whites have been trained through government schooling to fear in case of social suicide.
If this was happening anywhere else you would hear the cries of inhumanity from everyone and their mothers. Just like you hear how evil the Chinese are for enacting these very policies on the Tibetans.
I was with you until
>Basically the governments of white nations are all corrupted and working in tandem to supplant their native populations with easier to manage non-whites, and deflect all criticism by crying "racism", a label which all whites have been trained through government schooling to fear in case of social suicide.
It's not a government conspiracy, it's business. White people aren't valuable anymore in global business terms. Send cheap labor to 3rd world nations, and import bright hardworking researchers from Asia and the Middle East. Why do british kids have lower rates of pursuing higher education than the children of immigrants? Why do working class White folk depend so much on factory jobs providing a living wage when people without a college degree earn like $19,000 less per year than someone who does?
White people built the West then got too comfortable and made themselves invaluable without large amounts of money. Boo hoo.
It's not a government conspiracy, it's business.
Oh, of course. But most (if not all) politicians are bought with corporate interest. It's much more cheap to bribe one politician to make policy in your favor than manipulating the market for possible gain. I think the far left is absolutely right in this regard.>White people aren't valuable anymore in global business terms
I agree. I think this is why the left has adopted libertarian talking points when advocating for diversity, only seeing humans as economic units and judge them solely based on market utility. They completely ignore culture and social capital, which is probably vastly more important to your average person than robotic economic efficiency.>White people built the West then got too comfortable and made themselves invaluable without large amounts of money.
True. I don't think that means it's impossible to reclaim lost ground, though.
>>277825>I don't think that means it's impossible to reclaim lost ground, though.
How could you, without making yourselves competitive? No one cares about the white working class, and they're killing themselves faster in America than anyone else can die. And the less mindful of y'all go and murder Indian people thinking they're Muslims, which doesn't help your case.
I'm not white and don't give a shit about white grievances. But thank you to your grandaddies for making my life easier.
Well it's either compete or die out. These same problems happened in Weimar Germany, and we all know what happened afterwards. I hope it doesn't have to come to that but I'm saying it's not gonna be a real shock if it does.>>277847
It's not actually crazy to see what has happened repeatedly in history and conclude it will happen again. I don't actively hate any racial group or want to see them harmed, I just don't want them to suppress my own group.
Idk, I think Jon's funny and I don't completly disagree with him but I'm afraid he's going too far right straight into retarded territory. Is there no acceptable middle-ground ?
Far rights are fucking retarded and SJW can't give a break to those who want to voice a "controversial" but not full-on racist argument against immigration.
I'm really not on Jon's side but some of you would rather live in a fantasy SJW land than face some ugly truths.
If you guys went to Japan and there would be kebabs in every corners and half the population was foreign speaking in their own dialect, you'd be mad pissed.
Some of you have to realise that immigration isn't really the problem, but that those people don't consider their new country has their "home country" and neither their kids. Westerners born in X country from Y parents think they're X with a Y heritage. Arabs and others, even born on another soil will not consider themselves from this country at all and honestly that's a massive issue with me.
I think the issue I take are these blanket statements that people like you make. Arabs aren't the only population with integration problems. Where aren't people calling for the deportation of Chinese people? Of the Japanese or Koreans? Most Asian societies call for a collectivism mindset which tells them that those of the same ethnicity are to be trusted. FOBs stick to their own just as much as Arabs do.
And I say all of this, but I ask, what do you do? What do people who complain about integration do? The success stories you hear about refugees (people who do not want to immigrate but are forced to; that's completely different from regular immigration) are one of their neighbors accepting their situation and them, and helping them succeed in Western life. What the fuck do people like you expect if representatives of your country are on the news killing random people for looking foreign?
What the fuck do people like you expect if representatives of your country are killing other citizens due to random racial hatred?
If I had a dollar for every time I heard an American citizen complain about someone's accent regardless of that accented-person's immigration status, I should just hang myself instead of cashing out. I've met and talked to many foreigners who have lived here for a considerable portion of their lives in America who still feel insecure about their status do to their accents. What ever fucking happened to content of character not color of skin.
This is mostly a USA hate rant, sorry Europeans.
How are ANY of you not actually QUESTIONING >>276601
this fucking tweet if you're so on the fence about this? Or actually supporting him?
He literally makes a claim that rich blacks commit more crimes than poor whites then tweets a fucking Washington Post article that actually starts out "It's a fact that people of color are worse off than white Americans in all kinds of ways"? And goes on to accuse muh criminal justice system for the disparity?
It doesn't even matter what my or your political stance is. Do you seriously put your faith in some rando Youtuber who is basically stupid and can't read apparently?
And fuck anyone who complains about my earlier paragraphs and ignores the one above this.
See why you're so mad? Integration doesn't work. It doesn't really even matter how hard you try to force it. White people are the most accepting people in the world when it comes to foreigners and it's still not enough for people like you.
It's for the best if we all just have our own countries. Everyone is happier that way and there is little/no ethnic stress and tension.
The only reason foreigners come to white nations is to benefit economically. If America was 3rd world status no one would come here for it's "culture".
This makes white people feel like they're being taken advantage of. I don't think non-Americans have the right to come here and get pissed that the natives aren't accommodating enough. A white person wouldn't move to China and expect the Chinese not to treat him differently, so why do brown people come here and expect to be treated like they're hot shit?
>>279636>What the fuck do people like you expect if representatives of your country are killing other citizens due to random racial hatred?
Are you talking about Arabs? I don't know of any white Christians going into Pakistan and blowing up people in the name of Jesus.
If you literally mean the politicians then yeah I agree with you, they are causing tension, but I don't think they're exacerbating these wars for "random" racial supremacist reasons. I mean if the US government thought that whites were the master race and brown people should be subjugated then why would the US government import brown people into the states and give them welfare? The real reason is that all of this shit is a proxy war for Israel and oil money.
Even so, it doesn't really make your average white person more sympathetic to opening the floodgates for non-whites into their countries.
I'm european so idk what your deal is. I'm talking about first-hand experience, and it's true that arabs don't consider land that they're born in theirs, but the one they come from. They have no patriotism or any kind of love for the country they reside in, they barely think they're this nationality. Ask any kid from algerian or turkish parents and they'll say they're from Algeria or Turkey even if they never went there.
And actually the asian community is PISSED at being the convenient martyr of every other minority and have staged protests, conveniently avoided by major anti-racism group because surprise surprise, fucking minorities are one of the cause of their problems.
Asian are nowhere near as violent as other communities, and while they keep a very strong affiliation to their home country and culture, they have a very work-oriented culture. They don't come there to pop-out 10 kids and ask for hands out because they never bothered to learn the language to get a job. Even when they barely speak a lick of the language they manage to open business, make their own money and push their kids to study and be beneficial to society.
I never had in my life a problem with an asian in any kind, I never was followed home by them or threatened. But just guess who did that multiple time ? It's a reality it's time to face, how can some of you be so blind ?
>>279844>how can some of you be so blind ?
Because they are rich white people who live well and far away from the foreigners they claim to love so much.
That or there is literally something physically wrong with their brain chemistry.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/brain-magnets-decrease-faith-in-god-religion-immigrants-a6695291.html
Are you implying that not believing in god means there's something wrong with you?
I want to think that you only meant the immigration part, but considering the dumbass comments on that article I really don't know.
I'm not talking about within their communities, I'm talking within western socities.
I know they have a lot to their own sexual assault problems but they have very low numbers for U.S and U.K
>>279957>Statistical data is bullshit when it doesn't fit my preferred narrative
It'd probably be a hundred times worse in America or the UK if they were as focused on the same type of public transport/trains where people are packed together like sardines.
And if I were you, I wouldn't be complaining about porn if you're American. The most popular category of porn for Americans is literally "teen". Let's not even go into the dd/lg bullshit they're currently obsessed with, Max Hardcore, the heavy degradation so integral to the entire genre as presented by America, etc.
The UK might be slightly less awful about it (though they're seemingly stereotyped as being really into BDSM), but they put some sort of censorship on their porn, so who the fuck knows.
>>279972>Degradation isn't remotely close to as popular in american porn as it is in jav shit
American porn is literally based around the concept of women being treated like shit.
And Asians are just naturally younger-looking in general, and don't have beauty standards that stress looks that age you prematurely. >And let's not forget that loli is a thing.
Again, look at the rise of ddlg acceptance in America, as well as ABDL diaperfags/ageplayers.
Anyway, the point is that the US and the UK are literally worse than Japan on the front of sexual assault and rape, statistically speaking. It's really not your place to criticize them if you're speaking as an American because you're literally even worse off. Focus on the "culture of violence" (this is especially a thing for Americans in the most literal sense, obsessed with guns, war, death and being the "hero"). If we're going by facts and figures, the Japanese are probably the least violent socially/culturally.
i came here for people shitting on jontron not "oh but actually his ideas actually kinda made sense actually"
>>279993>Anyway, the point is that the US and the UK are literally worse than Japan on the front of sexual assault and rape, statistically speaking.
Nayrt but you can't trust Japanese crime stats for shit. Just look at their conviction rate, it's almost 100%, which means only crimes that are guaranteed to be solved are taken seriously by the police, everything else is thrown out. Not to mention the cultural stigma against complaining in the first place. You don't go to the police unless it's really serious, and if you do they'll discourage you from pursuing it if dropping it causes less trouble.
I don't doubt that it's still safer than the UK though, we are a crime shithole, especially London.
>Where aren't people calling for the deportation of Chinese people? Of the Japanese or Koreans?
1) Asians aren't the ones shooting up night clubs or raping thousands of women on New Years or demanding WIC papers be in Chinese
2) A few illegal Chinese HAVE been picked up recently, and they are set for deportation like everyone else. Of course your side still whines and cries about this
3) Asians DO integrate.
> What do people who complain about integration do?
Why do you assume we have to do anything?
>The success stories you hear about refugees are one of their neighbors accepting their situation and them
No, the success stories are of people who want to be here taking the initiative and learning to adapt to their new homelands culture. It's not my, or yours, or anyone else job to hand-hold them as they do this, it's not our job to be nice enough and maybe if we lick their ass enough they'll learn to speak English for us, it's something THEY need to do.
>What the fuck do people like you expect if representatives of your country are on the news killing random people for looking foreign?>What the fuck do people like you expect if representatives of your country are killing other citizens due to random racial hatred?
Lol this double standard. A few racists are a representative of all of America, but the multitude of terrorists, rapists, and thugs aren't representative of immigrants. The killing of three people by drunk idiot redneck is more important than the hundreds of people killed in calculated attacks or gang violence.
>If I had a dollar for every time I heard an American citizen complain about someone's accent regardless of that accented-person's immigration status
Oh fucking get over it, you baby. Americans aren't the only one's who do this and it's a fucking minor thing. Fucking shit, when I go out I have to worry about getting mugged or worse by the illegal Mexicans hanging out in the Walmart parking lot looking for an easy target, while THIS- fucking someone lightly ribbing your accent- is what you worry about? Jesus tap-dancing Christ on a cracker, talk about privilege.
>He literally makes a claim that rich blacks commit more crimes than poor whites then tweets a fucking Washington Post article that actually starts out "It's a fact that people of color are worse off than white Americans in all kinds of ways"?
The reason he tweeted it article, you autist, is because it's a left-winged source that presents the FACTS- that even rich black commit more crimes than poor whites. It goes on to come up with reasons why those facts are facts, which obviously Jontron disagrees with. Like, this isn't some "AHA GOTCHA!", this is just you being pretty dumb and not understanding basic human communication.
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lol are you basing that off of this whiny little yahoo answers post he (allegedly) made a long time ago? If anything that proves that other anons point further lmao
Anon didnt defend jontron, but if you think hating woman's march and not hating on trump makes you a lolcow then youre retarded.
this thread has gone downhill since the infestation of /pol/ anyway
I'm black for the record and while Jontron has landed himself into some hot water with some of what he said, I genuinely don't think he's a racist. He just said some dumb things BUT on the "blacks commit more crime" bit, I can take that as truth, especially when you take in black on black crimes (Gang violence) or crimes committed in Black neighborhoods that are on the lower economic side. Heck, even the "Gangsta" culture idolizes crimes because it gives one "Street cred."
So needless to say, I wasn't offended when Jon mentioned the black statistics because there is truth in it. I know some people would argue that blacks don't have any choice because they're born into the cycle and not having privilege and while that can be true, no one says that they/we have to continue in the cycle. Even if you're growing up in a lower-end neighborhood, there are steps one can take to get out of there like studying hard and saving your money so you can move out of there.
I'm just saying, there are some options to help better a situation and I think the black people who live in these areas should learn and keep this in mind, namely the younger ones still in school.
And I'm sorry but white apologists just annoy me trying to fight a fight that they don't need to. It's one thing if you want to say some words of encouragement or acknowledge some of the differences between growing up white vs black but when you're trying to coddle, that's where it becomes patronizing.
On Jontron being dropped by Playtonic, I do think it's kind of a bummer but from a business standpoint, I do understand why they did that and at least Jon handled it respectfully.
Most homicides, at least, are intraracial not interracial. According to the Dept of Justice, from 1980 - 2008 homicdes: 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of black victims killed by blacks.
People seem to segregate even when it comes to murder.
>Jon Tron is an immigrant himself
Why is is so hard for SJW to distinguish between legal immigrants and border hoppers?
This is like saying a veterinarian should feel a kinship and support the guy to likes to torture cats by slicing them open.
I hate tumblr/sjws.>>280812
I don't like legal immigrants or border hoppers, and I certainly don't like it when immigrants like Jon Tron try to speak for people who have been here for generations. I don't like it when non-whites speak for white people and act like they know what we want. Jon Tron's family has been here for not even one generation, his opinions on what "real America" is/should be is absolutely unnecessary, he's not a "real American" and his own parents are just economic opportunists.
I said iranians are white, but I said nothing about "semites".
I am from the middle east. Not Iran, but the middle east. Fucking everybody here considers themselves to be white. You're confusing ethnicity with race.