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Bringing it over from the KEEMSTAR thread.
Toby Turner, known by his youtube name Tobuscus, accused of sexual assault and drugging girls.
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>>118524>He is basically Dennis from It's Always Sunny
Here's what makes it so believable:
Not a SINGLE youtuber has come to his defense. From the youtubers I've seen talk about it (lots who have met him or worked with him too) they are ALL chastising him for being scummy.
Not a single person (with a brain) believed when Markiplier was accused of sexual harassment (a much lesser claim) but Toby is being accused of doing a million terrible things and some of the biggest youtubers are like 'yeah that sounds like him tbh'
There are still way more people claiming he has a habit of trying to convince others to take drugs. The evidence pointing to the accusations being true are all around more available and believable imho.
Two girls he's probably still banging/supplying =/= the multitude of stories pointing to him being absolute shit.
I'm sorry, but when does trying to get other people to take party drugs make someone a rapist? Good grief. I guess all my raver friends are rapist.
I'm not disagreeing that toby is piece of shit, bit come on now, that dosen't prove he's a rapist.
And you know that was his intent how? He even offered it to guys, did he intend to fuck/rape them too?
Honestly, I think a lot of it comes down to power dynamics, and Defranco highlights it perfectly with 'you don't fuck your fans'. The 3 girl friends who have said he never did anything 'physically/sexually' abusive to them were all relatively successful youtubers who are on similar power levels and thus weren't completely captivated by his stardom.
Clearly, April was completely intoxicated with his charisma and stardom (which is why she hung around all.these years). She probably did things she normally wouldn't.
Now, this gives Toby a good venue to be a shitty person, and he took up on that (confirmed by the 3 other girlfriends) . But I just feel like everyone is hopping on the 'let's air out laundry that's semi-relavent to the accusations' to get a slice of the attention.
a history of coercing others to take party drugs does make him more likely to slip a party drug into his gf's drink without her consent than someone without a history of coercing people into taking party drugs? Doesn't prove rape but doesn't bode well
don't be delusional.
obv rape hasn't been proved, but that he's kind of a piece of shit that let his interweb fame blow up his ego turning him into somewhat of a creepy drug inhaling Hollywood-wannabe has, and that's enough to kill his reputation
Hahah, just because he 'coerced' someone to take party drugs doesn't mean he wants to fuck them jfc. I have friends who have tried peer pressure to get me take drugs with them then and again, their intent was not to fuck me. They wanted me to experience the same thing as them because the drug experience is better when the people you know are doing it too.
Yes, this makes them shitty friends, and yes it makes toby and shitty guy. Buy unless there is proof his intentions were sexual when asking people to take said drugs… it doesn't add any weight to the rape accusations.
imho someone who does party drugs around kids (literally watch any video of him at a minecraft event) doesnt have the self control to not fuck. >>119054
Well it seems like one of the girls was pressing charges since she said she was withholding things to show authorities.
Once again it's this kind of reaction that makes it so difficult for actual sufferers of rape/sexual assault to come forward. If anything I think with the general reaction of most people who have worked with him being 'yeah this sounds absolutely believable' is the reaction we should take.
For the most part it's BETTER for the girls to keep their evidence because plastering it on the internet only makes it easier for a defence attorney (Toby can easily afford an amazing one) to break down things like that (as well as give toby a chance to delete things or come up with an excuse)
Certain things about her story bug me, like, something isn't adding up. Not to mention she cut out a chunk of it.
I also feel iffy towards Katie's story after reading Seth's post about what happened.
The only thing I can believe for sure is he has a possible drug problem and he's a bona fide cheater.
Kek, you're getting pretty defensive. I never said that you said it proved rape. What I implied in my post is that the way you worded your reply
>Doesn't prove rape but doesn't bode well
Implies that coercing people into taking drugs adds weight to the accusation of rape.
It doesn't add weight, and until someone comes forward with proof that he has used drugs with the explicit intent to fuck/rape someone, it shouldn't be used to insinuate that he is guilty of rape.
Right now all we have are two 'stories' about what happened and one person claiming to be there for the Katers17 thing and completely denying that it happened. Seth's side of events reads just as fanfictiony as April's post, and he arrived after her initial breakdown so I honestly don't think he's telling the truth. Here, incase you didn't see it.https://m.facebook.com/SethHendrix/posts/10154127047852481
I'm just gonna end this with a triggering
opinion; everyone involved with this drama is fucking retarded and handled this like a auitist.
Sage for shit posting.
You just called me defensive for using retard and ended it with calling everyone involved retarded.
You're so determined to defend Toby but sorry when so many people come forward calling him a piece of shit I'm more obliged to believe accusations against him implying he's… A piece of shit.
"b-b-but a piece of shit doesn't mean he raped her" whatever doesn't mean he didn't rape her either, stop trying so hard
her take was interesting until she said having sex with a drunk girl is a mistake and not rape.
she seems like a killer personality though.
Yeah, I kind of side eyed on that, but I think it depends on the situation and she should have elaborated on that if she wanted to use it as an example.
Her exposing Amelia Talon though confirmed my suspicions that some of these girls might be doing it just for the attention. Amelia privatized the video unfortunately, so I can't watch it again to see what exactly she said.
Probably in her best interest.
I think that Kater17 girl was posted on cgl for a bit because of her WOW cosplat. Don't really remember if there was drama surrounding her then.
My question is why did people let these things go without saying anything? I'm not talking about the rape and forced drug accusations, i'm talking about the groping and other aggressive advances. It's clear people (men and women) have witnessed him be extremely innapropriate to women over the years, and they just… did nothing. And i'm not talking about those who were subjected to the abuse by him, buy, but those who were present to see it. I guess I kind of understand not wanting to rock the boat in an industry that is all about appearances and networking. It just makes me a little sad for those who were abused by him buy had to wait until now to voice the abuse they endured.
Honestly it's sadly not surprising that people did not raise the alarm or reprimand him for such behaviour. People, whether they are strangers or loved ones turn a blind eye to abusive behaviour all the time, either they are cowards, agree with the abuser or just can't be bothered.
In the UK we had a major scandal where many BBC presenters were found to be systematically sexually abusing women and children, be it in the studios, at theit homes even in hospitals and it was made clear that people just turned a blind eye.
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>mfw I happened to be wearing a Tobuscus shirt when all this shit came out
I used to be such a big fan of his back in the day, this sucks.
One of the things that's different with her, is that toby and this girl were just fuck buddies who did drugs together. That's why toby didn't treat her like shit and cheat on her, they didn't have a singular relationship where the other party didn't want to do drugs or drink.
Her take is different because their story is different. Her entire goal was to get dick from toby from day one, so she really doesn't have much to add to the drama.
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I hope this isn't too blurred, but someone pointed a lie in April's post.
His mum spoke out about the allegations too.
Was Toby really still living with his mum at this point?
I used to watch him years ago but I thought he lived alone.http://imgur.com/gallery/I4Eh5
You can still get raped and be forced to take drugs while being a fuck buddy. She even says in the video that she eventually told Toby she didn't want to take drugs anymore and he respected her wishes after she took them up the ass as a last effort to see if she would react differently to the. One thing that I think makes her a bit different is her attitude on sex. But, yes her intentions to fuck him definitely make her reactions to being groped and kissed different, he clearly has issues with that. But some of the allegations are rape and being forced to take drugs, so I think her experiences are good to hear.
One thing that I'm a little curious about is her previous video where a year ago she details her first sexual encounter with him. They met at a party and she says that his 'friend' tricked her into taking Molly. Now I don't know if she was really 'tricked' but she says that when toby left to go to the bathroom, his 'friend' came up to her and asked her to stick out her tongue without explination. She did and he put crushed up Molly on her tongue. She didn't know this was going to happen, but she took it anyways I guess cuz she recounted how sick it made her during the rest of the night.
I suppose I mean with her defending him being an asshole, that her intentions were to get dicked by him so she didn't care about anything else. The other girls probably wanted a genuine relationship with Toby and when he was sleeping around and lying to them and trying to get them to take drugs with him it made him an asshole. She doesn't care who she has sex with, or who toby does so that's why her take is different. Other women don't have the same lifestyle as she does.
Other people that were friends of him are pointing out that he is indeed an asshole who can't control himself, so this girl trying to be his defender is stupid. Ofc she's going to see nothing wrong with him when they did the party lifestyle together.
I don't think her intention was to defend him 100%, but to share her experiences with him. Just because they don't prove he's a rapist who forces drugs on other people doesn't mean her story shouldn't be heard.
Again, she had her limits and boundaries, and he respected them. They definitely were bigger boundaries than the other girls, but they were still there and respected.
There's no denying that Toby is a fucking creep with drug, and sexual assault issues. That's pretty clear (even she admits he has drug issues and can be pushy). But the two things that are really at the center of this scandal are the rape and forced drug allegations. Based on what you're saying, all experiences with him 'need' to involve rape and forced drugs in order to be shared, if that's the case, everyone but April and Katers should stfu.
Based on what you're saying, you're implying all experiences with him 'need' to involve*
Sage for edit
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found this on reddit. If this is real, it sort of validates Toby and April did in fact date and did in fact have a rocky relationship. Doesn't prove the rape accusations or anything but it seemed interesting
what are you even talking about??? that only talks about her being pressent while he recoded a song, and being depressed about SOMETHING, nothing else.
I think his type is vagina. I wonder if he'd be down for a Trans woman.
Anyways… I have a feeling we won't hear more about this until it ends up in court. Toby has been relatively quiet about everything (which is in his best interest legally… socially and career wise noy so great, but even if the courts rule in his favor, he's done enough fucked up stuff to lose everything)
$5 says he commits suicide after the court case.
Why would he commit suicide?
If he wins and then successfully sues everybody for defamation, he'll never have to work again.
If his mom believes everything she has said, I feel bad for her. After reading everything, it's obvious Toby abuses drugs and is very capable of sexual abuse as well.
Also she's trying to turn an obvious mental abuse situation against the victim, which cannot play out well for her, so she needs to step back and accept that her son may be guilty of some other these accusations.
Also April will know better than anyone whether she was raped or not. She clearly blacked out after taking MDMA and alcohol together, which after a bit of research I found that other people have experience this as well. If she feels that she had sex during this time then that would be classified as rape as she was not in the right state to make a clear decision as to whether she wanted it or not. The only problem here is Toby was also high, so it depends on if he was sober enough to make his decision.
However, if she had taken the drugs on her own accord, which she states she didn't and Toby was also too high to make good choices then there wouldn't be a case.
Her case solely lies on the fact that he spiked her drink in order to get her sexually aroused.
It's hard for me to believe a single thing Katers has ever said. Not only did she get a married man to cheat, she constantly lied about her YouTube channel and things going on in her life… from stalkers to babies.
The other girls? Sure, but Katers17 probably deserves her own thread. She's tried so hard to rebrand herself by deleting and deleting multiple YouTube accounts, but at this point it's super hard to trust her.
Can we have a thread on katers17? I used to watch her a few years back and I would have considered myself a fan, i lost instead and later found there was drama but didn't find much. I'm genuinely interested on what milk she has considering i used to think she was such a down to earth, relatable person.
sage for irrelevance to thread.
Let's see, the thing with Mr. Safety (whether you think she ruined a marriage or not is up to you). There was the cosplayer strive for attention, asking for donations for costumes, etc. At one point a stalker tried to break into her building when her and Mr. Safety were engaged. Then she deleted her account or just disappeared for awhile.
She came back after they broke up with a shaved head, dated a magician (I think?), but she was acting really weird during this time. She went from really sweet to five years old. She's had a few gigs here and there where she's cropped up, but nothing really after that.
I didn't realize she began vlogging again, but after all the issues I'd rather not watch. That's all I really got to be honest.
I agree I feel like April could be angry out of jealousy because she wanted toby alot of things don't add up. she claimed she couldn't walk for 3 days but photos of insta were found of her smiling with him.
People also thought the post was fanfiction because there were lines from jessica jones???
She also threatened jaclynn on twitter lmao
DudeLikeHella is Mr. Safety. Mr. Safety started on YouTube around 06? 08? Somewhere in there, he was known for pranks and skits, but started DudeLikeHella to separate his vlogs. The drama was certainly with him.
When Katers moved from the UK, she lived with Mr. Safety and his wife. Shortly after, they got divorced and there was a LOT of evidence that Mr. Safety and Katers had been dating for much longer than they publicly revealed (gurugossip has some old screenshots about this).
They got engaged a year or two later. Then everything fell apart, the sunglasses thing, the stalker, etc. It's a big clusterfuck. Have fun researching! lol
Thanks, not sure how I missed it. So Kate had BPD, not schizophrenia.
April is coming off as a huuuuge bitch. Not making her seem very sympathetic. She is very much on the defencive atm, her twitter is a mess.
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It's all over now.
???? Why would he give a single fuck about a piece of shit like Toby when he has over 6x the amount of followers.
Also 'second toby joke he's pulled' you act like that's a lot when there are hundreds of jokes to make about toby. >>121580
Well I think he's definitely learned from it. I feel like he's going to avoid obviously 'generally offensive' stuff but when it comes to niche offenses (in this case toby fans getting butthurt) he's not gonna give a shit.
I was sexually assaulted twice in my life. Once in college, once afterward. Never reported either incident because 1. I didn't want anyone else to know and 2. other than he said, she said, there was no proof.
A lot of incidents go unreported for various reasons, and it doesn't mean it was fake.
Now, I will agree there are plenty of people that DO make up allegations to get back at someone or whatever, and that's gross.
Yeah, but he's fucked anyways. I posted earlier about this, he's not getting any money out of anyone but keem (if he sues keem) because everyone is fucking poor. Additionally, he has to directly PROVE loss of revenue/money (as this is the only money he can sue for), and that's pretty difficult since everyone and their aunts dog has been throwing in their two cents about him and the situation. Finally, Toby will be paying legal fees no matter who's on the legal offensive, and legal fees are fucking crazy. In all likely hood Toby is going to lose a shit load of money, and his reputation (which he already has).
Dude is fucked.
If one of April's goals was to fuck him the hardest way possible with what she had, she definitely achieved it.
What are you even on about. I know he doesn't give a fuck about Toby, that's not what I was saying. His flippant attitude on such a controversial topic is why I said he must not give anymore fucks. Tell me of those other jokes people have said, which of those had 25k+ likes/retweets or came from youtubers whose income depends on their online reputatiom? If any other youtuber pulled this type of joke they would be risking their 'job'.
I found the jokes funny (mostly because of the context, and April's little hissy fit after), but you'd be delusional if any other youtuber would not receive crazy amounts of fallout if they were the ones to say it.
Not to nitpick here anon but I think there's a lot more backing up claims of his disturbing behavior towards women than just the one woman's allegations.
Male and female Youtubers have come out talking about his escalating predatory behavior towards women that they witnessed first hand.
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Fucking kek at him pulling an Onision and trying to get a more popular Youtubers attention and being ignored
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So this is Toby's current gf/wk/possible next victim. She's the epitome of "uwu I'm not like other girls…" She's WKing all over Twitter about how her man "could never be capable…" ect Make your own judgements Anons but she seems just as milky as some of the other cows in snow
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Here she is claiming she's somehow managed to get a peek at an inspector's report which…sounds illegal?
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More ranting about other females in defense of Toby
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And peep that hypocrisy
After she tweeted thanking Onision someone called her out and then another person attempted to defend Greg badly- at which point she tweeted this. Can't have people criticizing Greg out in the open can we? Then people might start to question what kind of person would actually publicly support Toby
Nah, no problem anon.
I get what you mean. Hearing a lot of his behavior described by so many other Youtubers who had worked with him/knew him, I feel like it's not a huge leap for me to think that he could have assaulted/raped her but, we really can't know for sure and it is dangerous to not actually pull back and look at things critically.
I think what's pissed me off the most since he put out the video is the amount of people willing to take his word for it when his story is weak af. Granted, a lot of them seem to be from r/incels but like…I think if people are going to be skeptical in a situation like this that should apply to both sides regardless of gender.
Trying to disprove what happen 2 years ago while using the #metoo hashtag
idk why he though that would work
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after watching how he behaved in vlogs around that time, hearing accounts of his behavior from people that knew him along with multiple girls making accusations and now that video where he tries to make it about the “me too” movement and calls the girl a stupid bitch at the end… it definitely adds up in my mind. The guy is the real life Dennis from Always Sunny.
This is his girlfriend. Im trying to figure out how old she is, she looks pretty young to me?
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imagine your boyfriend giving you a picture of him for christmas kek
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we are reaching critical levels of narc
lol she is the laineybot of toby turner. Also thinks she will be treated different from all the other girls he dated! Girls who want to be "one of the guys" and hate other girls are so annoying.
Even if that one girl lied about rape, there's several of his ex-gfs who said he was abusive and a cheater, etc.
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weren’t the allegations made over a year ago by the time she posted this? she almost obsessively mocks tobys accusers over twitter and blindly defends any male celebrity when abuse allegations are made against them
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She's sure got that same smug vibe Lainey has as well>>613612
kek its not the audience he wants but it's the audience he deserves
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this girl is also shoe0nhead tier obsessed with looking younger than she is
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uh…why would you even post this
yes.. it says 'merry christmas jessica' and he signed his nickname? that's pretty fucking standard with gifts/cards. i prefer signing my nickname over my real name too. not to mention, it's a framed piece of art, not a selfie, that was saved as christmas memory. but you guys can't relate, so you call it cringey and move on.
again, stop reaching. they do way more embarrass shit. this isn't milk.
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I find it hilarious that his gf constantly mentions Toby every other tweet yet on Toby's twitter there is hardly any mention of her. I actually found him retweeting something his ex posted before I saw anything retweeted from her
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im genuinely surprised about the like to dislike ratio on this video and how well it is being received by the majority of his audience because I feel like it is pretty well documented how much of a piece of shit he is
You seem really defensive…
It's cringe for a celebrity to give their S/O an autograph.
I would never want an autographed photo of just my SO as a gift. Idk how you think thats a good gift. Props to your SO for pretending to like that gift.>>613647
It's different to give a picture of you and your siblings to your parent. If it was for a SO, you'd expect a framed picture of you two together, or a drawing of either her or them together. It's literally a portrait of just his face autographed by him lmao?? That's narc as fuck.
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The cringe is too strong. Toby Turner's "female"
Agreed and he's taken advantage of the fact that it's two years later- so he can twist the details here or there and the heat has died down.
In the video he claims they were just friends however, two years ago when he intially adressed it he admitted they had dated- even called her an ex gf. From what I can tell he took the original video down
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The cringey hashtags on this one
Holy shit she's the absolutely fucking worst. What a cringe. Truly a weapon to surpass Laineybot.
And I don't know what locker room she visits. What women would speak about such degenerate plans in a public space? And she says it happens constantly. I call bullshit. But of course she stands with men shitting on women. She will be in for a nasty surprise when he finds a younger and more fertile female willing to fuck kek
Yeah, personally have never heard anything like that said in a "locker room" or… anywhere. Sounds like bullshit she conjured from thin air to justify hating other women.
And yet, she's so insecure that she has to label herself as "Tobuscus's female" in her bio… There are many, conflicting issues to unpack here, lmao. Pls learn to love yourself.
Did she legit pull a trump with the whole "locker room talk"?
Yeah girl your man isn't innocent when there have been people who came out against him and if i remember correctly two GUYS one on twitter and one on youtube came out against him so how "innocent" can your guy be
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i know this is an old video but i was watching that video of toby acting super inappropriately during a stream and holy shit… look at how pushy he’s being. this is so uncomfortable. i have no doubt in my mind this is a man who has absolutely no respect for womens boundaries
And yet he's the "victim" and the girls a "stupid lying bitch"
fuck off Toby
Thanks for posting this anon, I wonder if someone has a copy of the stream up. If I can stomach his narc long enough I'll try to find it and post it.
He doesn't even bother trying to hide how much of a prick he is and yet, so many people are willing to just take his word for it
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So going back through his subreddit I found something kind of relevant to how he treats/treated women. In 2012 he and Olga Kay had been broken up for a while. They were at a party together and I guess they had a mutual friend there as well. Toby was high/drunk off his ass and Olga and this mutual friend, who's a guy went to eat without him at 4 am and he went on this twitter rant towards her about it.
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Ehhh two phone, Toby? Lmao your gf posts that not even realizing that anon >>614216
is on point.>>614035>>614196
I’ll look for it too, are most his streams archived on twitch? I thought a twitch streamer could choose to not have a certain stream archived? If you could give us a time period of when this stream occurred it would be easier. Do you remember which month or around which month the stream was from? And what were they saying? Was it about booking her brother a hotel room or something?>>613348
He’s obsessively deleting comments (and replies to comments: 20 replies, only 2 will show, etc) on this video so only the good, supportive, incel comments show. He deleted my comments within minutes. He also is buying likes on the video. It’s very very obvious he is purchasing them through a YouTube video like-botting app. If you look at previous videos (on both tobuscus and Toby turner channels, main channel and vlog channel) all the videos either A) have barely any likes or dislikes (in the single, double digits, or a few hundred here and there) B) more dislikes than likes in a VAST majority of his videos, with depressing like amounts C) the like amount of his metoo vid was nowhere near 114k or anywhere above 2-5 k then shot up too 114k likes coincidently when his video started receiving thousands of dislikes D) Barely any of his main channel vids breach 2k likes, more dislikes than likes, and on the rare vid that gets 500,000 views (the metoo vid has 1mil views, mainly bc of drama) he gets about 20k likes. Which if he got a million views would be about 40k-50k likes. But it’s inflated to 114k likes, with only about 1-3% of his subs (the ones who stuck around, most are dead accounts, ppl who don’t watch, ppl that don’t remember they were subbed) actively viewing and liking his vids now-a-days.
Toby is buying likes on his new video, and mass deleting bad comments and replies to make people think everyone’s supporting him: CONFIRMED
OH AND HES CLEARLY BUYING SUBS
HOLY SHIT HOW MORE OBVIOUS CAN YOU BE PIC RELATED LIKE SHIT KEKEK
What a pussy. Someone should tell his new sh0e-like girlfriend that denial is not just a river in egypt.
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Their relationship is so early-Lainey-Greg tier. But more fangirl-like. She stans him on Twitter like a 13 yr old fangirl, got a generic tobuscus autograph, replies to his every tweet, he barely responds back to her publicly, and she makes autistic fan references. Cringey af.
You don’t even see plainey do that shit anymore. Or any YTers gfs/wives doing that shit. Can’t wait till the cracks in their relationship turn into canyons and she gives up trying to deal with toby to ~prove the haterz wrong~ and comes out with a twitter post about how everything she posted was him just manipulating her and she’s not responsible ~totes victim~ and buddies up to all his exes.
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'Waaaaahh waaaaaahh you MEAN there are social consequences for people who creep on others!? So unfair! They should be forced to accept me back!'
27 isnt old but it is weird to make your whole persona about your voice.
admittedly, she sounds young, but there are lots of women with young sounding voices that don't make their entire youtube/twitch career about having an underage voice like wtf.>>613681
the funny thing is that even with his scandal, he's still getting more views than onion. i mean, it's shitty and he should have 0 views, but it's truly a testament to how boring and nasty greg is
Still searching around for the livestream. Checking through blogs to see if I can pinpoint it closer. Haven't found that yet but I did find a couple of videos that I thought were 'interesting.' https://hooktube.com/RuZW-kjbbWc
Around the 3 minute mark in this one he starts going off about vidcon and then launches into this whole rant that's obviously aimed at the girl he 'allegedly' assaulted.
Then there's https://hooktube.com/Dqw6bLGGGF4
In which he attempts to guilt trip old YouTube friends who he claims he 'paid to do nothing' and now they won't help him. He also implies he's pissed at Jessica/cutegirlvoice because she wanted him to open a box and he planned to wait? Mentions things like that just 'set him off' kek WTF >>614809
Him, Grease, and Tits are all so eerily similar.
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I don't watch RATSTAR does anyone remember this?
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Also Toby is not smart like at all…
The people advising him not to make the video were right. It makes him look even worse. Like most cows Toby is allergic to good advice and common sense. He's obviously buying likes and subs as >>614303
Also this random tweet is lame but I got a chuckle.