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No. 90815

http://darceygrowsup.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/being-45-year-old-lolita-part-1.htm
http://www.donotlink.com/framed?696506
^^
The second link should work, if not, here is the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzSVLYS-HZE
"A tutorial of sorts from a 45 year old Lolita. A plea to reach for the stars and stop dressing up as pre-pubescent young girls. Find your role models and aspire to be something better. "

So I've seen this article has been rustling quite a few Lolita jimmies, and upon reading it I understand why.

A 45-year-old woman discusses Lolita fashion and Japan as if she knows everything, enlists Venus Angelic as a fashion icon, and tries to do kawaii doll makeup, whilst failing horribly and inciting the well known argument that "Lolita is for PEDOPHILES!!!"

How do you feel about this article, lolcow? Is this woman a Lolcow in the making? Do you think that all Lolitas are age-play fetishist pedophiles, or is it just clothes? What do you think of Venus Angelic's popularity in the media as a "Living Doll" and the posterchild of Lolita, even if she doesn't even wear it? Are you a Lolita, and how do you feel about this article?

No. 90817

She reminds me of Margo.

No. 90818

>>90815
Just in case she deletes it, I'll also pos the full text here:

The Anti-Lolita Tutorial from a 45 year old Lolita

In the League Table of "Cool" I notice that all the "Cool" people that list their interests online usually mention that they're a connoisseur of Organic Fair-Trade Coffee beans, publish their gluten free recipes (always the same one, gluten free cupcakes,) enjoy film noir and have keen interest in Japanese Culture.

I'm too old to a) want to be cool and b) be able to carry it off even if I tried. I can't really claim to be an expert on Japan as having The Great Wave off Kanagawa on my stairs and an old copy of Memoirs of a Geisha doesn't count - but there IS one aspect of Japanese sub-culture that has always held a deep fascination. The "Lolita" phenomenon.


While Lolita may have begun as a fashion for Japanese girls and women who wished to step away from sexual fashion I can’t quite divorce it from sexual fetish or see it as anything but the infantilisation of grown women.

Taking its name from the novel “Lolita” by Vladimir Nabokov I find it hard to reconcile the kind of feminism that Lolitas espouse when actually they are part of a movement named after a character that is an abused child.

I feel that the Lolita subculture is easily confused with fetish - the proponents would say that it’s about emphasising modesty and youthfulness as well as drawing from the Japanese kawaii “cute” aesthetic but if you take a wander through the bargain area of Harajuku and see the girls fully bedecked in their bows and frills and then go to nearby Akihabara you’ll be bombarded with Lolita images; except this time they’re the XXX adult pornographic kind. It makes uncomfortable viewing and the juxtaposition feels very wrong.

One commentator wrote “I think dressing in Lolita fashion hits a lot of nerves with a lot of woman because, like it or not, these clothes are similar to the frills and the general structure of young girls' clothes and, like it or not, even the most enlightened thinkers make the connection. We aren't far from the time when there was a debate about women having any intellectual capacity beyond domestic matters and it is risky to connect women to under-developed young girls in this way”

I know that the Lolita movement is widely misunderstood. The focus is often on the name, and that Lolitas are adult women taking on the role of sexualized children. Despite its name, it’s not about attracting an older man they say, but I have a nagging feeling that I wish they could have chosen something less contentious and more empowering.


There is an argument that Lolita is incredibly female-positive in that it takes these traditionally female signifiers like lace and bows and makes them ultra-visible in a deliberately subversive way.

It's not supposed to be an appeal to the expectation that women should be childlike, or an attempt to pander to paedophiles.

I get that an incredibly small portion of men who are aroused by children should NOT dictate what any woman wears, the Lolita girls should not have the personal responsibility where they worry about sending the "wrong" messages to men.

The responsibility sits squarely on the abuser to NOT do those things no matter what the perceived temptation may be.


Venus Angelic
My gut feeling despite being firmly in the camp that anyone should be able to wear anything they like so long as they are not harming another person is still conflicted. Why aren’t Lolitas dressing like Lolita actually did, like a tomboy? Just because a Lolita girl refutes the sexualisation of her image does not mean that sexualisation does not exist. It’s essentially meaningless.

This is what happens when you put an adult woman in a little girl’s dress. So no, fully grown women dressing pre-sexually is not feminist in any way.

I would get this same urge to stick pins in my eyes if I heard a woman in my workplace talk in a “baby-voice.” I can’t support it, it’s not helpful to me. Emulating children is a way of subverting adulthood and the respect I get as an adult woman. It’s thin on the ground anyway so why choose to make it even thinner?

With all that said, I’m not surprised that the movement has spread far and wide. You might have heard of Venus Angelic (right.) Her video "How to look like a doll" has garnered close to 13 million views and is essentially a tutorial of how to look very young and big-eyed which I find slightly ironic as Venus actually IS very young and big-eyed.

Her career trajectory has shot up since she became You-Tube Famous™ so not only is being perpetually young popular in Japan, you can now make a career out of it. The famous women who also do this are known as Hollywood Actresses. But then they get old and no one wants them anymore. For more on the invisibility of the older woman you can read my article here

Talking about a topic is great but there's no substitute for actually experiencing it. I have, slightly reluctantly but with a strong curious drive to understand more, turned myself from a really average looking middle aged woman into a 45 year old Lolita.


Venus Angelic YouTube still - How to be a Doll
There's so much wrong with this look that it sticks in my craw but I simply had to know what it would feel like when I looked at myself in the mirror. And, more importantly, how would other people react to me. The transformation video is coming up in Part 2 - It's uncomfortable viewing for me, not due to any chagrin about appearing like this in public on a personal level. It's uncomfortable entirely for what it represents. Superficially it's a middle aged woman doing dress up to look younger. I'm not the first woman to do that, it happens millions of times every day, literally. But beyond that it's a rejection of me, of the face and wrinkles I earned over the course of my lifetime, and a plea to others to not accept me as I am but to accommodate me as a ditsy looking dolly.

I didn't go to University for that. I didn't choose a child free lifestyle for that. I don't ask to be paid the same as my male counterparts for that. I don't exercise my right to vote for that either.

Everything I do and everything that I am as an independent woman living in 2015 is undermined by this makeup and it makes my skin itch to wear it a moment longer than I have to.


from the Great Ageing Experiment article
Part 2 of the experiment will be published soon. What happened when Dolly Darcey hit the internet. My assumption based on past experience is that what you look like has a direct impact on the kind of interaction I receive online.

I know this to be true, my other recent experiment (right) where I prematurely aged myself and did the comparison is here. The less stereotypically attractive I am, the more I am ignored. The "prettier" I make myself, the more unwanted and frankly vile unsolicited attention I receive.

In Part 2 I'll show you the transformation video and what happened next - below I've only inserted big-eye doll contact lenses and mimicked the classic "Dolly" pose. Before the makeup and bows are even complete I feel uncomfortable. Check back to see what happened when I've finished. These young girls do this and love doing this, but this old one feels very weird…



Part 2 - The 45 Year Old Lolita



It looks as frightening as it feels. Have a look at the video below, you'll see how I achieved this look plus how it feels to wear it. It's not one of my proudest moments but if there's even one young girl or teen-age woman that reads this and is prompted to think "You know what, I don't have to dress up like this. I can run for President" then this afternoon's efforts with makeup will have been worth it.

No. 90832

>>90818
>Taking its name from the novel “Lolita” by Vladimir Nabokov I find it hard to reconcile the kind of feminism that Lolitas espouse when actually they are part of a movement named after a character that is an abused child.
I really want to slap her shit.

No. 90837

>>90832
bitch didn't even google that shit
>>90831
The second link should work, if not, I have screencaps. I do not know how to mirror the video though.

No. 90838

>>90831
>>90837
I deleted after realizing the second link worked.

I feel like despite being "fascinated" with lolita she has not even done the bare minimum of research.

No. 90841

>>90818
>Lolitas are adult women taking on the role of sexualized children
I'm actually seething here. Why do people who don't know anything about a given topic feel the need to make their opinions known? Have a fucking care.

No. 90862

Here's some links from the cgl thread before it got deleted.

https://archive.is/SDDs3
her blog post with comments before she mass purged everything.

http://imgur.com/qB2AB8i

No. 90870

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No. 90871

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>>90870
and this

No. 90872

Let's get the address and name of her business, maybe get house, and order a bunch of pizza or shit

No. 90876

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No. 90879

>>90815
>that video
She sounds exactly as I imagined. Really self-important and up her own ass.
What kills me is she didn't even do the makeup right and she doesn't know anything about Lolita, but she still feels the need to complain and talk about how the fashion is ~*so unfeminist*~.
>It's not one of my proudest moments but if there's even one young girl or teen-age woman that reads this and is prompted to think "You know what, I don't have to dress up like this. I can run for President" then this afternoon's efforts with makeup will have been worth it.
I'm fucking vomiting. She needs to get off her high horse.

No. 90882


No. 90906

>>90876
I love how much she's getting dragged, holy shit.

No. 90907

Plot twist: Darcey is Frances AKA the "stockings/pantyhose" shitposter from /cgl/

No. 90922

>>90832
Not even into Lolita fashion, but that genuinely pissed me off. I hate people who think the fashion and book have anything to do with each other.

No. 90923

>>90870
>mlp
>cosplay
>geishawigs
Those tags…

No. 90926

>>90923
Well, geisha wigs is a cosplay wig store that sells mlp ones.

No. 90928

>>90876
Those people replying are more calm than I could be.

No. 90936

>>90862
Wow, what a stupid piece of shit. She's basically victim blaming and saying a woman is responsible for what happens to her based on how she dresses? Uh no. Not to mention, posting Venus who isn't a lolita and some maid costumes. wtf. She has gone zero research and is running her mouth. I would love to send her house endless orders of pizza.

No. 90938

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>>90876
More from the comments.
https://archive.is/SDDs3

No. 90940

>>90936
Apparently she owns a waxing place so if you're feeling extra mad you can just give her place a bad review or something.

No. 90941

>>90938
Yeah, love this one, esp from the nurse. Bitch is so stupid if she thinks people who wear lolita are the same as ageplay fetishits.

No. 90942

>>90940
She owns a waxing place and has the gall to dictate to other women how they should dress? Okay then. What's the name of the place?

No. 90944

>>90940
Is it up on any of those store review sites?

No. 90946

>>90942
It has her name attached to it I think. The cgl thread made for her got trashed by the janitor so I have no idea. I can try to look for it myself.

No. 90951


No. 90957

>>90951
>Love Darcey
Confirmed for same person

No. 91003

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No. 91024

Is she a troll? I can't even tell tbh.

No. 91025

>>91024
No, she is just as dumb as Margo.

No. 91033

>>91003
I want to believe she is legit mentally challenged, but I wonder if she's just dumb as fuck.

No. 91042

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No. 91045

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No. 91049


No. 91052

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No. 91053

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>>91052
Just so thirsty

No. 91054

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>>91053
and I'm done for now

No. 91059

She needs to be fired from the internet.

Seriously how can we get all of her social media deleted?

No. 91064

>>91054
100000s of hits? Yeah, that's why you deleted it. LOL
I'm sure if this gets on HuffPost UK then all the Lolitas around the world will have their bloomers in such a huge bunch that we will send thousands of emails to Huffpost to get the article taken down for inaccuracy.
It would be really helpful to link other, credible articles about Lolita as well, to prove that we know what we're talking about and she has no goddamned clue.

No. 91067

She posted a pic on her IG of a bday card she gave her 80 year old mum and I honestly want to comment something along the lines of "The group is aimed at teenagers and tweens, by your mom listening to it she is going against feminism because she's pretending she's still a naive tween" etc etc

No. 91068

>>91064
She actually had a photo of Dakota Rose in her article at the beginning. I am wondering if Cathy threw fake legal warnings at her and scared her to take the article down.

No. 91159

>>90879
holy shit she literally has no fucking idea what lolita is and was too lazy of a fuck to research it. In Japan guys HATE lolita fashion and lolitas know it, that's why they dress up in it - they don't give a shit about guys' opinions.

No. 91181

>>91064
I want to see a Lolita riot happen one day, ngl.
It'd probably result in fucked up burando, though.

No. 91183

>>91159
As they shouldn't. Men in Japan are fucking disgusting.

No. 91184

>>91042
>>91045
>"From a feminist point of view…"
>"I'm not promoting feminism. I speak for myself."
I've never wanted to slap someone in their 40s this much

No. 91208

>>90907
I miss Frances.

No. 91266

>>90818
> I can’t quite divorce it from sexual fetish

There's a fetish for everything. There's a fetish for balloon popping that's surprisingly popular, ffs. This bitch needs to realize that things that can be fetishized can also exist in a non-fetishized state, and that her inability to separate the two doesn't mean NO ONE can separate the two.

>Why aren’t Lolitas dressing like Lolita actually did, like a tomboy?


Because they're not trying to dress like her, you ignorant fuck. That's not what Lolita is.

> it's a rejection of me

> a plea to others to not accept me as I am

Do you also get butthurt like this if a woman dyes her hair?

> a ditsy looking dolly


How fucking difficult is it to understand that NOT EVERYONE SEES THE WORLD THE WAY YOU DO???

>I didn't go to University for that. I didn't choose a child free lifestyle for that. I don't ask to be paid the same as my male counterparts for that. I don't exercise my right to vote for that either.


Just say that you think women who dress like this are dumb sluts. Stop sugar coating it. Stop dancing around it.

>My assumption based on past experience is that what you look like has a direct impact on the kind of interaction I receive online


People prefer to look at things that are aesthetically pleasing? No fucking way! My mind is blown!

>The "prettier" I make myself, the more unwanted and frankly vile unsolicited attention I receive.


Remember, girls - Wanting people to like the way you look is DISGUSTING.

> It's not one of my proudest moments but if there's even one young girl or teen-age woman that reads this and is prompted to think "You know what, I don't have to dress up like this. I can run for President" then this afternoon's efforts with makeup will have been worth it.


This bitch. This fucking bitch.

It amazes me that she says this

>There is an argument that Lolita is incredibly female-positive in that it takes these traditionally female signifiers like lace and bows and makes them ultra-visible in a deliberately subversive way.


>It's not supposed to be an appeal to the expectation that women should be childlike, or an attempt to pander to paedophiles.


and immediately disregards all of it. She thinks it's stupid and childish and pro-pedophilia, so it MUST be, it's impossible that maybe SHE's wrong.

>>I get that an incredibly small portion of men who are aroused by children should NOT dictate what any woman wears, the Lolita girls should not have the personal responsibility where they worry about sending the "wrong" messages to men.


But it's okay for her to do these videos with the express hope that it'll turn girls away from being ditsy, sexualized wannabe-children? Why does she get to be the morality police? "I want to have sex with you, so don't dress like that" is verboten, but "Other people want to have sex with you, so don't dress like that" is A-OK??

No. 91271

>>91266
Sorry for flipping between "you" are "her." I hope it's clear I was directing everything at Darcey, not OP.

So something else I just realized

>Why aren’t Lolitas dressing like Lolita actually did, like a tomboy?


Why would it be okay to dress like a tomboy? They'd still be dressing like children, right?

But that's not her issue, is it? In her mind, feminine = stupid, incapable, and immature. That's her real problem with Lolita fashion. It's girly, and she's got it in her head that being girly is bad. She thinks she's in favor of empowering women, but really she thinks "empowerment" means "acting like men."

No. 91276

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>>91271
>It's girly, and she's got it in her head that being girly is bad. She thinks she's in favor of empowering women, but really she thinks "empowerment" means "acting like men."

And thus, another problem plaguing Feminism and those who profess to be a part of it.

(ot as fuck but im watching the episode where this still is from and oh god the x-files feels)

No. 91286

To me it seems the old bitch is jelly of young girls who can dress up cutesy.

No. 91287

>>91286
What's really sad is that if she were serious about it, she'd look decent in lolita. She does NOT look 45, she's obviously taken very good care of her skin. I bet she'd look stunning in classic or gothic.

No. 91295

Is anyone else thinking that music in her video reminds you of Banjo and Kazooie?

Also this women is fucking retarded. You can look kawaii as fuck and still be smart.

No. 91331

>>91295
It is from B+K.

Which made me hater her even more, because it makes her look that more immature.

No. 91433

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Except, no one told her to get cancer or to die from diabetes in the comments. I'm pretty sure 90% of what's been said it that's she's just a dumb twat.

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>>91433
*is
pic related, this is what she added.

No. 91450

>>91437
Why do I know she hasn't received a single e-mail like that?

No. 91453

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>>91433
>>91437
This bitch.

No. 91460

>>91276
X-files! Yess!! Which episode is that from? I'm gonna have to reboot my childhood because damn I miss that show.

back on topic: Yes, I hate women who think liking feminine things or being feminine means you're oppressed. That's everything opposite of what they're thinking. It's like "be girly only when you're trying to please men but act like a man to be considered strong and independent" No!

No. 91461

Gothic lolita here. We don't want her in our comm.

No. 91468

>>91287
she needs to sort out her eyebrows though. her brows are a DISASTER. she has comma / clown eyebrows which is a pretty big red flag that she has no idea what she's doing when it comes to beauty or what looks good. and yet apparently that's what she writes about?? i hope she doesn't actually have a real audience besides her circle of family and friends.

No. 91486

>>91450
Because she's lying. No one is sending her death threats.

No. 91490

>>91048
This doesn't look like fucking lolita. The article is full of crap and this bitch is just obnoxious with her self-righteous bullshit. She just saw some internet fetish images and decided to associate them with lolita because it gives her the attention she desires.

>>91433
>>91437
This. Fucking. Bitch. I'm betting my money on that she received 0 death/attack threats but just tries to milk on pity points to make people forget the fact she's an attention whore who didn't research the subject, outright lied about the fashion and used feminism to drive her own fascist views like so many before her. She's closed the comments because so many people pointed out that she's full of shit.

Also this:
>Lolita is such a sexist hobby because you want to look girly! Feminine things = bad, masculinity = good! This is the true feminism!
Seriously, fuck her.

No. 91549

How is it possible for one person to be so hideous inside and out? Most ugly girls make up for it with a great personality but this woman is just completely unlikable.
also REEEEEEEEEEE NORMIE GET OUT

No. 91553

>>91437
>I've contacted the cyber police

No. 91922

>>91490
She probably Googled Lolita, watched the TLC My Strange Addiction documentary, then Googled "living doll" and patted herself on the back, thinking she'd done research lmao

No. 497795

bringing this thread back to just say, i just found out about all this nonsense and this bitch disappeared from the internet entirely after that. every single account is defunct(necro)



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