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No. 98804
>>98785The Current Year Man(tm) is not as funny as he used to be under Jon Stewart (Leibowitz)
Everyone agrees leaving the EU will have an economic impact at least in the short term, but getting rich is a poor excuse for letting the elites sabotage a democracy.
No. 98812
>>98811Here is an intresting article on Scotland's view of the EU Ref.
Covers points such as
1. The Scots and English think very differently about identity
2. Scots are less bothered about immigration
3. England has a different legal system to the rest of Europe
4) The ‘reclaim our sovereignty’ thing has a whole different meaning in Scotland
etc
check it out
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/eight-reasons-scotland-is-more-remain-and-what-will-happen-if-its-dragged-out No. 98827
>>98826Why is it suddenly okay to hate on Poles/Lithuanians/Romanians? They're honest and hardworking, and even the criminals only sell cocaine to Poortherners as opposed to gangraping little girls and forbidding their female children from going to school and having a normal life.
When will this overly PC charade end?
No. 98828
I hate how it's turned on people who vote to leave on being either racist because they apparently all want migrants out or "we're going into da unknown!"
It's like no one is allowed to say anything and just play sheep in fear of them getting attacked.
>>98826The polish are alright tbh, I know a few of them and despite them constantly bragging about how wonderful Poland apparently is they're hard workers.
Pakistanis… it isn't a racial issue I just don't like many of them. I'm not even white, I generally just don't like them. Most of them have fucking awful attitudes from the paper shops, taxis and the women are so pushy and rude.
Just don't like them and simple as that.
No. 98829
>>98785This video is fucking terrible. His points amount to:
>an argument used by people who want to leave the EU is somewhat incorrect>some people who might be racist want to leave the EU>some people who are definitely racist want to leave the EU>you don't want to be associated with racists do you???He dedicates a huge portion of the video just trying to prove that some Brexit people are racist.
As far as I can tell, staying is probably the better option. But this is like the most one-sided way to present the issue. Most of his episodes are like that.
I wish there were more neutral shows and producers out there, to actually give a balanced view.
No. 98830
>>98826Plus I heard if Turkey joins (they could be joining) the EU then half are going to be jumping on planes over here… shame they've got such a big country too, nicer country.
Well… at least it could stop that greasy Turkish holiday marker man using dumb white British women for visa I guess.
No. 98833
>>98827Same reason lefties in the UK have a hard on for ragging on white americans all the time. It helps to assert a sense of group identity if you attack an outgroup. But non-white outgroups are privileged classes who you can't say anything about, so these people stick to groups who are acceptable to attack: White Eastern Europeans, White Americans etc.
When I was a student I worked with a bunch of Poles. They're awesome, highly racist people.
No. 98834
>>98828>it isn't a racial issue I just don't like many of them.I'm not too fond of Maghrebis or Arabs, certainly not sub-saharan Africans or Afro-Caribbeans for that matter (did you see what they did at the Luton Carnival this year?)
But having said that, there are some decent Muslims I've met. By that I mean they're decent in spite of their religion - Almost all of them Turks from places like Istanbul, Izmir, Cyprus. They're good in spite of the shit their religion teaches them to do because they're not even really Muslim in any meaningful sense.
Pakistanis are something else. They're really unpleasant people. I don't know how to describe other than that I hate them far more than I do Gulf Arabs.
No. 98836
>>98835Poland is pretty homogeneous. And yeah, they're openly racist, although I wish we could remove 90% of the non-whites in the UK I don't think you should be cruel or uncivil to non-whites. That being said, perhaps the Eastern European strategy of making them feel unwelcome actually works. With a lot of non-white groups, the kinder you are to them, the more they seem to view it as an opportunity to fuck you over.
Some Pakistani who abused white girls actually defended it by saying white brits were "racist" to his dad who owned a shop a few times, so this was his way of taking revenge.
No. 98837
>>98834I don't mind the Caribbeans as half of my family are from there (I'm mixed) but some of the older men, yardees we call them who are like druggies/creeps piss me off. But I don't like the Africans. Sounds strange doesn't it? I can bear Caribbeans but not Africans. Caribbeans are very blunt, forward but chill people. Africans just shout all the fucking time, most stink to high heavens too and somehow always seem to make shit tons of money. Always have a ton of kids too. As do Pakistanis. But then again, sounds cruel but thats their benefits on legs.
Yeah I agree with you on that, Turks are alright people. I used to live in Turkey for a year or so, they're quite nice. Not a believer of religion but they're pleasant.
Pakistanis… again not the race just how they are as people. I mean some are okay but majority just terrible.
I'd rather have more Chinese here than those. At least the Chinese are slightly more polite… Chinese here in the UK can be a bit rude such as shoving you out the way. But they're better and quieter.
No. 98839
>>98837>somehow always seem to make shit tons of money.Really? I thought just like a lot of sole proprietor businessmen they don't declare taxes, so they have a lot of cash to hand. That's not really rich though. I always laugh at how they wear suits. Really high v-neck and
>>98838If you're a girl it's different. Eastern Europeans are like East Asian guys. They're totally explicit in their hypocrisy regarding interracial dating ("I can have women who are outside my group but it's not ok for women of my group to date out.")
I hear some Italian men really like black girls, I've actually heard that from a number of people. Italians make me lol. Great people.
No. 98840
>>98828Pushy and rude are the right terms to describe them. All Pakis I know are really fucking aggressive, and not violent-aggressive but verbally aggressive. They love to talk over you and hold such disdain for anyone that isn't them, one guy even told me I was born 'with a silver spoon in my mouth and don't know DA STRUGGLE of being born into a British-Pakistani family', which is ironic because I fled from a war in the Balkans in the 90s and lived on pennies until I managed to get into uni, unlike him who's a 2nd gen and lower middle class. But I'm white which I guess means we're all automatically rich racists out to get them.
He spends every waking moment of his day trying to lecture me about a culture he hasn't a clue about and calls all women whores, which is something many of them have in common. Also so many of them click their fingers at waiting staff, it's so fucking rude, they're not dogs.
No. 98842
>>98839Yeah my father knows quite a few African men who makes a bit. I remember he told me he was at some company meeting then this new African guy turns up for it and my father said he was sat right next to him counting his thousands in his wallet. He smiled at him and halfway through got up and left. Dodgy.
He wasn't a well dressed man either just normal.
Oh god. Really? Yeah I've heard of that. Some Caribbean (I know loads) and Africans can be like that with their women. I know my father's friend, African guy got pissy because his daughter wanted to date an indian guy but funny because the father was divorced from his wife (black African woman) and he was engaged to a white woman. It's ridiculous.
Yeah I heard something about them liking the skin tone. Probably just talk but you never know. Men aren't fussy when it comes to pussy.
No. 98844
>>98840As another non-English white person living in Britain I get this too.
Pakistanis are so fucking ungrateful. The Brits literally created their fucking country for them. Without that intervention the Hindus would have, perhaps justifiably, ethnically cleansed the entire lot of them.
>He spends every waking moment of his day trying to lecture me about a culture he hasn't a clue about and calls all women whoresThey have no culture. They're a made up country whose culture is literally appropriated from India. The entire world hates them. Even the Chinese, who are supposed to be their allies, hate them.
No. 98845
>>98840Oh goodness anon "paki" really? Ha. I'm not fond of them but come on.
But yes I agree, they do speak over you and good god rip you off. I remember going to the local paper shop and this rude pakistani guy who runs it used to inflate the price up everyday on items. So greedy and money hungry.
Yep. I can believe it.
Yet the UK loves to defend the pakistanis because of di preshus religion xo
I've heard it too. They all kick off about how they're treated and to be fair I hear more remarks thrown at the Chinese than I do those.
No. 98846
>>98842Oh I see, I thought you were talking about Indians. I don't know as much about Afro-Caribbeans.
Yeah, Italians will approach just about any woman I guess. That's partly what I like about them, they're really forward and confident but it never came across as threatening when I was over there. That and they don't call a woman a whore for telling them to get lost. They'll just feign heartbreak.
No. 98847
>>98769Out. I think if we do not, we are looking at something awful for the future. We're already facing border issues and they literally want to get rid of the culture of each country and make it some United States of Europe.
There's been a lot of push lately for feminism and getting women into the draft, which has happened very recently. Then suddenly, the EU pops that they want an EU army. The racial and religious tension with the muslim invasion, the secrecy of an EU army, the pushing of women to be in it for a draft, and so on just spells "We'd like a World War 3, please. Hopefully in the Mid East."
No. 98848
>>98844They're just gross people. I aint even white (well fully white) but a lot of people don't like them.
I watched that TV show Benefits Britain and there was a pakistani family on there, 7 kids and the mum at home doing the daily dole mummy struggles while the dad god knows what where. The kids were like rabid animals running around in the street road out front with the white common scally kids jumping on the old furniture parked up in the street. Romanians moved in and the pakistanis were attacking them with verbal comments as well as the white chav kids.
Funny how around 30 years ago they were the ones putting up with that and now they're just as damn ignorant.
No. 98849
>>98846Afro-Caribbeans came here in the 50s/60s when they were promised "good jobs" by the British lol. Funnily enough they were well dressed, nice and decent people. Used to have signs out of some pubs apparently saying "No blacks, no Irish" so the Irish and blacks (Caribbeans) opened up their own pubs. Far as I know they were okay, possibly some issues but no where near as bad as today.
Lmao a bit of Shirley Valentine thrown in there then?
No. 98850
>>98847There is cons and pros to stay in and to leave tbh. But most I think want in.
We're fucked either way
No. 98852
>>98851My aunt wants out due to the migrants. She isn't racist or anything but it's who IS coming in. Who is coming in exactly?
For all we know ISIS will arrive and start shit. I mean I know they're everywhere but no saying what can happen.
No. 98854
>>98852Border control shouldn't even be a matter of political partisanship. It's not a matter of left or right to say "millions upon millions of people crossing national borders at will and settling wherever they choose is fucking crazy".
Nowhere else other than North America and Western Europe would they even contemplate just allowing an entire population group to just up and migrate into their homeland and silence dissent by accusing their opponents of being "racist".
If this were China or Japan the population would be in open revolt by now for fuck sake.
No. 98858
>>98856And this whole idea you need to inflate the population in order to have an ever larger consumer base and credit base is poison. It's accepted wisdom now that the way to "improve" the economy is to inflate the population, but if the only growth you can get is through population growth and consumptive spending, then that's not a real productivity gain in any sense.
Populations NEED to shrink. Every single sector and industry on earth is becoming less labor intensive by the day. What are we going to do with all of these surplus non-white laborers when automation guts their jobs and small businesses one by one? Structural unemployment will just increase without end. We need to be thinking long term, like Japan is. Japan allows for a declining labor force because they know the economy of a century from now isn't going to require even 1/3rd of the labor it currently does now for the same results.
One thing they never say about Japan: In Japan house and rental prices are actually falling because of their declining population. If you consider that a house is the single biggest investment 95% of people make in their lives, and that housing was vastly more affordable even for lower-middle class people 40 years ago, are we really "wealthier"?
And how is inflating the demand-side pressures that have made housing so unaffordable in the first place going to help?
No. 98863
>>98859
>but they all seem to want to settle hereBenefits, education & NHS
^ lol simple
No. 98864
>>98858I love how the east wouldn't put up with the shit we have to put up with
the uk is such a soft touch
No. 98865
>>98858There was an interesting piece on the radio (BBC but I can't remember which, possibly one of the regional ones) about Japans reluctance to let in immigrants, and the low amount of refugees they allowed in this year and the strict and horrible conditions they make them live in (Brilliant idea IMO) and the presenter said something that really, really pissed me off. Paraphrased because I can't find it;
"Japan's prime minister paradoxically stated when asked why they allow in so few migrants he stated "We will consider letting in more migrants/refugees once Japan's birthrate rises.""
>Paradoxically It's not a fucking paradox you goon. They don't want their own population to be out-bred by immigrants and vanish?! makes total fucking sense.
No. 98867
>>98865It's also a commonly repeated lie based on a false premise.
Japan does accept immigration. With caveats. Immigrants for skilled, in-demand professions such as nurses from Southeast Asia who have specialized in elderly care can and do receive work visas, the caveats are that they need to pass the JLPT and their visa is an entirely temporary arrangement. In other words, after five years are up you usually go home.
This sort of arrangement works well for both developed and developing countries.
No. 98873
>>98867Yeah, of course. The piece did the whole conflate-migration-and-asylum-seekers thing too, using the fact that they accepted something like less than ten refugees last year.
>>98868Sorry, it wasn't meant as sarcasm or anything. I agree with the Japanese on this.
Also makes me furious how weebs will harp on and on about loving Japan and the things they produce but take every opportunity to say their culture should change. i.e. the studio ghibli debacle recently (President explained why he thinks they don't hire that many female directors) You can't have your cake and eat it. If Japan's culture were to suddenly meet all of the little PC requirements all the weaboo sjw's had it would stop producing the things they loved.
Sorry, getting tangential now.
No. 98875
>>98872I think they get citizenship automatically. Thing is there are so few of them relative to the Japanese population as a whole that they just kind of get absorbed into the overall population inter-generationally through sheer demographic pressure.
That's why I'm not necessarily opposed to "race mixing" on principle. If it's just a few people doing it in a largely homogeneous nation it doesn't really have a big effect. The children of those couples, and their children's children and so on, just go on to marry natives.
The problem in massively diverse nations like the US and Western Europe is that it creates these sorts of different castes of mixed groups who have a boatload of issues. More or less every half-black/half-white person I've met (mulattoes) hates white people and is almost always politically active in "black causes" to a higher degree than even full-black people are. This is in spite of a good portion of them having an absent black father and being raised by their white mother and her family. It's colossally fucked up.
That being said, the decent mulattoes I've met who didn't hate white people and weren't involved in that sort of politics all had white dads. So maybe there's a trend there where the child identifies with the race of the father primarily?
No. 98876
>>98875Really? Ah I see.
Yes well it's the obvious because who else left if there to marry when you're in such a homogenous society. I guess it would just be normal.
I'm mixed anon and I am exactly as you described. My father was in and out of my life I don't have much thoughts about him. But I was raised by my mother's family who are white. In the UK though… I've never had that "o god I'm a mulatto! so confused" experience. The UK is so… clustered with tons of different people so I've never felt like that. I just stand with either side whenever its needed and treat both fairly. I know some other mulattoes have had terrible experiences especially the American ones. I thank myself luckily to have never gone through that.
But maybe so.
No. 98879
>>98871>I've heard that too. They'll put their own first.Europe - and to some extent America, but I'm not american so I can't really speak on this - is the only place in the world that teaches the idea that you should judge someone based on their "Insides" Rather than how they look, and that fundamentally everyone is all the same underneath.
Every single other culture in the world teaches that you put your family, and people who look like you first above all else. Regardless of their moral character, abilities and so on. Fucking over someone related to either in the literal familial sense or in the wider sense of community and race is the worst thing you can do.
White, middle class kids think that because they view the world like this, that everyone else must too. The idea that it could be different doesn't even occur to them, which is why they're so happy to swallow that asylum seekers genuinely are here to look for a better life and will just gratefully assimilate without causing any trouble.
Even the nicest people from other cultures still hold those ideas. But when push comes to shove, they will chose their "Group" every time.
No. 98881
>>98879>White, middle class kids think that because they view the world like this, that everyone else must too. This is the fundamental problem. They project their pathology onto the rest of the world and assume that they think the same way they do, it creates all sorts of dysfunctions in our interactions with other peoples.
I mean, it can range from anything from trying to "make Iraq a multi-party democracy" to some white girl getting in over her head with an non-white guy and, surprise, surprise, finding out the in-laws hate her guts and want to make her life hell.
No. 98882
>>98877Maybe? I've met a lot of white guys who are open to interracial relationships tbf. Plus the adverts on tv are really pushing Black women and white male relationships these days. Even someone mixed like me is surprised tbh… not complaining but it does shock me.
I've noticed they're pushing that and the white female and asian male relationships more too.
No. 98884
>>98882>I've noticed they're pushing that and the white female and asian male relationships more too.I think white people and asians can be just as incompatible but in different ways. Most of these weeb relationships that are notoriously well-documented on /pt/ are good examples. Just huge, intractable cultural differences to bridge - all built on the fundamental misunderstanding that the person they happened to be dating didn't come with the "cultural baggage" normally associated with their group.
But people always do. And people are generally best suited for their own kind. Not 100% of the time, but generally.
No. 98885
>>98881>This is the fundamental problem. They project their pathology onto the rest of the world and assume that they think the same way they do, it creates all sorts of dysfunctions in our interactions with other peoples. Not even just with people of other races or cultures, it's a massive class issue too. Recently got into a really good uni (Sorry for brag) and it's fucking full of gapyahs and rich kids oh so happy to talk over lower class people like myself about issues that primarily effect us. They have so little perspective on anything outside their own bubble, it's amazing.
Recent example really sticks out in my mind; friend told me he considers himself lower middle class, not too well off based on his peers. I visited his house and it's a three story detached house with at least eight bedrooms in the middle of london. I looked up housing prices for his area and not one of them is less than 2mil. Utterly amazing.
No. 98887
>>98884Depends. It's not even an issue of temperament and culture, it's how compatible those cultures are.
For example a lot of Italian men like North African women, and Italian women love Scandinavian men. Many Scandinavian and British women also have a thing for Greeks and Spaniards etc and all of the above are relationships that are usually happy.
I've seen a lot of men lusting after Eastern European women but they usually stick to their own for whatever reason (mail order bride memes aside).
No. 98888
>>98887True, but that's the boundary where "exoticism" stops for most women (Southern Europe I mean).
/int/ memery aside, Italians and Greeks may as well be part of the same broad group as Northern Europeans. The fact both groups seem to face the same issues with pathological liberals seems to confirm this (my litmus test for who is "white" is whether or not they have a strong element within their society that believes in totally universal principles).
Beyond that, most European women don't think asian or black men are particularly attractive.
No. 98892
>>98889Assuming you have a child with a white person, that child will be 3/4 white and their offspring, if they have a child with another white person, will be 7/8ths white. Parts of the periphery blend back into the majority even in heavily heterogeneous nations.
>>98890>Reality has a liberal biasHow do these people explain the rise of China exactly?
All this bombastic triumphalism of liberals is just boasting over who gets to captain a sinking ship. It's absurd.
No. 98894
>>98893Well, the divergence goes back to the French Revolution. Liberalism's axiomatic principles are either:
- Individual freedom is an a priori good.
- Equality is a priori good.
The reason they seemingly contradict the former with the latter is because people like Rawls argued that
freedom to is as important as negative liberty. Rawls justified this sort of thinking with a really flimsy "Veil of Ignorance" argument which is pretty much the bedrock of contemporary liberal ethical philosophical. It's astonishing it hasn't been critiqued more severely.
No. 98896
>>98895I'm not big on libertarianism or liberalism, but that's basically the distinction at work here. Although I'm not a libertarian, my favorite libertarian author is Hans Hermann Hoppe, so he may be worth checking out. His "Democracy: The God That Failed" book is probably the most effective rational/utilitarian, material takedown of democracy as "the worst form of government except for all the others" argument I've ever read.
The problem with more orthodox critiques of Rawlsian thinking is that they're all from other liberals who also happen to believe in equality as a priori good. To get to the real meat of the matter you have to read the more unorthodox, less well known authors who critiqued that very principle itself. Anthony Ludovici and Nietzsche are prominent here.
How Nietzsche ever became associated with the left is bizarre. The man explicitly stated his belief in biological racial hierarchy and described equality as a "poison" and "disease".
No. 98897
>>98890I'm a bit left-leaning myself and I have to deal with this stereotype that all liberals like John Oliver or use his same logic. He has 1 or 2 good episodes but it's basically propaganda masquerading as (usually not very funny) comedy.
The refugee episode was also awful. I am somewhat pro-refugee/pro-immigration, but the episode spent 80% of the time showing pictures of a crying refugee girl and making as many appeals to emotion as possible, instead of actually discussing different sides to the issue. Ironically, that episode actually made me more skeptical of the whole situation.
I'm not going to say it's a problem with liberals in general, since obviously there are lots of biased right-wing sources out there too, and some left-leaning news sources are a bit more neutral. And people of any political views are going to flock to the news sources they most agree with.
But now all of these "neutral" networks like HBO and comedy central have started to skew so far left in the past decade. I just want a neutral source of information without all of the pandering and in-jokes and agendas.
No. 98903
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Liberalism used to mean something else. Now you go on college campuses and you see those SJWs who sincerely believe Equal Opportunity is evil and racist and Equal Outcomes is true justice.
You know like actual socialism where you set a 100% tax rate so you can take away the fruit of hardworking people's labors and give it all away to deadbeats that refuse to contribute; or strapping rockets to Stephen Hawking's motorized wheelchair so he could cross the finish line at the same time with Usain Bolt.
>Goddamnit where's my affirmative action NBA so my 5 ft self can slam dunk Lebron James w/ a stepladder?
No. 98910
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Do you think the UK government will cheat again?
No. 98915
>>98903How is the second photo not equality? You're helping a shorter person who cannot physically help their height see a game.
I usually let girls that are 5'2" and under in front of me at concerts because I know it isn't their fault they are short. sjws want equality for all except those they deem too privileged. They don't understand the concept of hard work either. Not everyone is going to be good at everything.
No. 98921
>>98915>>98917The picture is a metaphor, it's not literally about short and tall people. and if you don't understand how giving someone two boxes and then only giving someone else one box is representative of inequality idk how to help explain it to you.
It's to demonstrate that liberals want equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. Equality of opportunity is fair, equality of outcome is unfair.
No. 98927
>>98917It's a metaphor
All three did not pay for tickets so the walls will be higher IRL
>10 feet higher No. 98929
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>>98928'Asian' in the context of UK/Europe means Pakis and Arabs from Muslim countries, not the Korean Oppas or Japanese Senpais weebs like obsessing over
Those people are a real issue in Europe
No. 98948
>>98947Maybe. But who would replace him? Boris? Gove? IDS?
Better the pig-fucking devil you know.
No. 98950
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>Press F to pay respects.
It's only a matter of time before Frexit, Nexit, and so forth
No. 99088
>>98945>>99081Here's some helpful advice. Even if article 50 is invoked tomorrow, there's still a 2 year grace period to get your EU papers locked down.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-to-keep-your-eu-citizenship-after-brexit-a7081186.htmlOh BTW, don't let the door hit you on your way out
No. 99092
>>98769Every council area in Scotland voted to remain, and in N. Ireland it was a remain majority. This vote will mean Scotland becomes independent and Ireland will be united whlst England grows ever more racist and isolated.
You have left the EU and broken the UK litte Englanders
No. 99095
>>99092Don't understand this racism argument. Europeans are white.
>>99093Oh shut up there are less people in the whole of Scotland than there are in London. If you guys were actually represented proportionally you'd have less say than you do now. Yes, it's undemocratic. You guys have too much say.
No. 99104
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welp.
No. 99108
>>99105This. I think they'll be a lot more appreciative in like 10+ years time tbh.
With all the FIRE AND BRIMSTONE™ going on this morning I feel like the only optimist in the world…
No. 99121
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Serious question:
What happens to UKIP now that the reason for their existence is moot?
No. 99122
>>99118You simply don't understand currency markets. They're reacting to perceived instability, and it has absolutely no bearing on your life anyway.
>>99121They aren't a single-issue party.
There are still plenty of pakis who need to be deported, plenty of criminals who need to be executed etc.
No. 99125
>>99121They've wormed their way in and will just eat from the inside out. I'm just hoping one day Farage will evaporate or something, can't stand him.
>>99122How cute of you to say.
No. 99126
>>99125Why is it ok for non-western nations to have "racist" policies, but not western ones?
UKIP is no more right-wing than the LDP for example. In fact it's somewhat more to the left.
No. 99127
>>99126Neither is okay, I don't condone it in any way. But history stands and things go out of style.
I don't care whether they aren't as right-wing as the LDP, they've sold an ideology to susceptible lower class people for their own gains, all the while uniting with them under false pretences. This could be said for other parties, but Farage isn't running the show so.
No. 99129
>>99127>But history stands and things go out of style. Well, as it stands the rising power in the world is extremely "right wing". Nobody actually looks at what is happening to Europe outside of Western Europe and North America and thinks "wow, they're amazing. So moral and kind!" If you go on weibo most Chinese think these mass migrationary waves are the end of Western countries.
>sold an ideology susceptible to lower class people for their own gainsYou could be describing pretty much any center-left party in Europe here. They make a pretense of being for the working man but they're just as, if not more on-board with neo-liberal economic policies as center-right parties are: Completely free movement of labor and capital for example. Or the idea you need to artificially inflate the population of a country in perpetuity so that GDP will grow (really just a giant ponzi scheme based on credit creation).
Why exactly do you support mass immigration anyway?
No. 99133
>>99129That is true in that aspect, but the basis of polictics in China and other East Asian countries are founded on a different basis. Plus several other factors are comprised of China's sucess to begin with. Being a right-wing nation is (arguably) only of them.
I said in my last post that other parties do this as well. It's just that in the now Ukip and other similar parties are in the spotlight.
Nowhere in my post did I say I support mass immigration, but I guessed you came to the conclusion. In honesty, I'm not for mis-information which shows up in my feed when it comes to immigration. But considering my background, I cannot side with some of the views here.
Plus other people in this thread are picking and choosing which immigrants are the "good" ones and which aren't. If the government want to tighten up, it's in their power to do so. I just want it to be done in a reasonable manner, and it to not be bogged down by all this nonsense.
No. 99135
>>99105Same here.
Every student i know wanted in the EU and people are comparing Boris to Hitler. Pfft.
Such bollocks. Even the yanks say it was a good move getting out of the EU.
Thank fuck Cameron is gone with his tail inbetween his legs.
People are overreacting and its quite frankly getting frustrating.
Also British bloggers complaining, the only reason why theyre upset if because they wont be getting their freebie europe holidays where they can prance around on camera with an overpriced cocktail in one hand and designer (lol asos) sunglasses for 2782188181 IG likes.
No. 99141
>>99133>founded on a different basisErm, what? What do you mean by this?
Ostensibly all politicians/leaders should put national interest first.
>Plus several other factors are comprised of China's sucess to begin with. Being a right-wing nation is (arguably) only of them.I think you'll find China's mercantile trade policies, corporatist structure (government and industry working alongside each other) and authoritarian efficiency have been perhaps the principle reason behind its success.
>Nowhere in my post did I say I support mass immigrationSo why do UKIP outrage you so much?
>I just want it to be done in a reasonable mannerIt's wholly unreasonable to expect a native group to be ok with being made a minority in their own country to begin with.
>>99139>country of 5 million people>relevantI guess you can enjoy your own grooming scandals when Sturgeon makes good on her promise to bring a lot more non-whites over though.
No. 99146
>>99141What I was trying to get across was China can make their right-wing policies work, whereas Britian cannot - given their differing histories. No matter how it is envisioned by those with those values.
Other parties don't have Farage at the head. Also why are you assuming I'm 'outraged'? No matter how much you've pressed the idea that they aren't all bad, it doesn't make them anymore likeable. Plus none of their agendas have anything to do with me.
Statiscally that's not the case. The outcomes still remain the same, people still end up saying their own piece on immigration. And for all this talk on other races 'victimizing' themselves, some White British people have started as well. Hence the 'I'm not racist, I'm just saying it like it is.' repitoire I see a lot makes my eyes roll.
I know a good portion posting here are whites and or are right-leaning, so I'm not going to expect an differing opinion. However, this elevation over other who wanted in (no matter their reason) is ridiculous since some people who voted out did so for equally as silly reasons.
No. 99151
>>99147>old and powerful countryNo, Scotland was never powerful.
>we aren't xenophobic or racistWell you enjoy becoming a minority in your own country then. I'm sure that will work out just fine for you.
>>99146>whereas Britian cannotHow exactly can Britain not make right-wing policies work? These are universally applicable things: Protecting one's own industry, being strict on net inflows and keeping them to manageable numbers, being strict on crime and so on. These are policies Britain used to employ. Hell, half of the "regressive" policies that Singapore has that liberals always whine about are remnants from the days of British governance.
>'I'm not racist, I'm just saying it like it is.' If someone can come up with an objective, non-emotional definition for racist then I'll happily acknowledge being one. I see nothing wrong with prioritizing my own people above others, seeing as the rest of the world does it and
not doing it basically means committing suicide as a group in this highly tribal world of ours.
>I know a good portion posting here are whites and or are right-leaningWhat race are you?
No. 99152
>>99151Butt hurt little Englander alert.
You got what you wanted, an isolated little country with a weak pound that is run by bigots and racists. Woop de doo.
No. 99153
>>99152>little Englander alert.I'm not even ethnically English.
>that is run by bigots and racistsUh huh. If this is the case, why exactly do the British Home Office continue handing out British Citizenship so liberally? Why are net inflows for settlement still in the hundreds of thousands?
You'd expect "bigots and racists" to actually, you know, protect the native majority by limiting immigration after all.
>little countryScotland is 1/10th the size of England. I don't think little or big make much difference here.
No. 99155
>>99154I'm against immigration to any country when the scale of it threatens to reduce the native group to minority status in under a century. Controlled, demographically manageable immigration is fine.
The fact you think it's just "normal" for whites to replace themselves in their countries for your benefit underscores how out of touch with reality leftists actually are. Learn a non-western language. Go and live in a non-western country. Perhaps you'll learn something beyond the scope of your secularized Christian universalism called liberalism.
No. 99157
>>99155"secularized Christian universalism called liberalism"?
I think you are being a tad sensationalist to claim whites are in the minority. Even with immigration the largest group is white European. Your posts show this ref' was abour racsim "don't let the blacks and arabs in". It's revolting and shows how intollerant people in England can be.
No. 99159
>>99157>"secularized Christian universalism called liberalism"?Yes. It is not normal to adopt attitudes like these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_BiehlAnd to want to become a minority in your own homeland.
These sick, suicidal, pathological beliefs are the product of the slave-morality called "Christianity".
>Even with immigration the largest group is white European.For now. All demographic projections have us heading towards minority status in basically every single Western European country eventually.
>It's revolting and shows how intollerant people in England can be.1) What race are you?
2) Who are Whites/Europeans "racist" (a word you still haven't defined) by comparison to? Africans? Arabs? East Asians? Don't make me fucking laugh.
No. 99160
>>99159I'm in Scotland which has no christian state church, and is socialst if anything.
Many Scots have been forced to be economic migrants themselves and Scotland has experienced huge surges in immigration from Ireland, Italy, Pakistan, Poland etc as well as accepting refuggees. We don't see it as a problem, unlike you and your fellow Englanders.
No. 99165
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>>99160Yeah, your beliefs just sprang out of the ether on some quantum level, they had absolutely no antecedent traditions. Moreover these are the default beliefs (equality) that everyone on earth holds, and if they don't, they are racists and have consumed racist propaganda, unlike ourselves, who are completely independent thinkers and arrived at the idea that everyone on earth is inherently equal of our own volition.
This makes perfect sense. Don't laugh at me you bigot.
>We don't see it as a problem, unlike you and your fellow Englanders.Why do you single out "Englanders"? Firstly, I'm not ethnically English, secondly, the English have accepted tens of thousands of refugees for settlement. More in a few years than the nations of South Korea, China, Japan and Taiwan have accepted collectively over the past 60 years. More than Gulf Arabs have collectively accepted. Or Indians. Or any other non-western state.
You have no idea how the world actually works, or how people actually think outside of Western Europe and North America. You just project your own psychology onto everyone else. Why do you think British Indians support Modi, a Hindu Nationalist, while overwhelmingly voting for the Labour Party here, for example?
No. 99173
>>99171That describes my parents fairly well and I hate it too. It's disrespectful. Then again, I'm big on the idea of white unity. Non-Whites, who have long-conditioned hatreds of White people in many cases, don't really make distinctions between different European ethnic groups. So I feel we should stick together against outside enemies.
>>99172>Orwell>was a rabid right winger who hated socialismAre you trolling me?
No. 99178
>>99172Are you trolling?
George Orwell was a lifelong socialist who felt Soviet Communism was hijacked by a fascist dictatorship (Stalin). He fought the Spanish Civil War under the International Brigades, seriously.
No. 99203
>>99201It's irritating. Ive got Chinese complaining about it and university students on fb i know.
Why cant they see the eu was sinking us down?
No. 99204
>>99203>Chineselol, ask them when they're going to let tens if not hundreds of millions of non-Asian foreigners settle within China's borders. That's the equivalent for them of what our current immigration system is doing.
Some East Asians are such hypocrites. FOBs are usually cool and view this shit as none of their business though.
No. 99205
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>>99187You can blame the media for that.
In the weeks leading up to the vote, the Remain campaign panicked and the media started pushing Brexit == baby-eating Nazis propaganda aggressively.
I think that backfired in their face, but its seems like all the tumblr SJWs ate that shit up without hesitation.
>>99203>>99204I'm pretty sure they only care about how a potential global slump will affect the already unstable Chinese economy
No. 99219
>>99216>>99217Sorry, had to fix a typo.
And I think extreme nationalism tends to lead to way too many problems to be sustainable for long. Even if Hitler succeeded in conquering all of Europe, I suspect the Nazi government wouldn't have lasted longer than an extra two decades max.
Considering all the countries with National Socialist governments we know about have not lasted very long, I don't think there is any evidence it's a good way to run any state.
No. 99227
>>99216No it's not.
>>99217Thank you. I swear people here and other sites are like it's all or nothing.
No. 99228
>>99227>No it's not.Liberalism: Makes you a minority in your own country and destroys any sense of social cohesion and trust.
National Socialism: Makes your country like Japan.
No. 99238
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>Reminder the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU
No. 99241
>>99240Nasty things will happen
Like the EU imploding while UK breathes a sigh of relief
No. 99268
>>99240Scotland should declare another referendum within the next few weeks, and Ireland is on the path to be united.
England I don't know, Asia, Europe and America are already halting trade deals with them.
No. 99281
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Apparently people want another referendum and over 1M people are signing up for it. Reckon it'll fall through?
No. 99304
>>99281This just seems like it won't work. If there was another referendum and remain won, who's to say leavers wouldn't just protest and ask for another referendum after that? The majority of voters picked leave. It might not have been a massive % but it was still the majority. What's the point of putting things to a vote if you won't accept the result? Just re-doing votes until you get the result you want is pretty shady.
The only time I can imagine another one being held is if something REALLY huge happened that could potentially change a lot of minds. Or, after a few years out of the EU, maybe there will be a referendum to reapply, but only if exiting doesn't go well. Even then, it'd be ages down the line. I doubt they'll do another vote about it anytime soon.
No. 99312
>>99310You aren't going to have to pay more though.
Listen, the bosses of large groups like EADS, Daimler etc are simply not going to allow the EU to "punish" Britain. They're going to get the same sort of status Norway and Switzerland have.
No. 99313
>>99312Ah I see.
It's just that people keep making a fuss over it on Facebook, Twitter ect over things rising, currency and I feel a bit worried. That's all.
No. 99324
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>>99281>>99282>>99304>>99309The guys over on /pol/ have been running a script to drive the petition up. like 90% of those votes don't even have a UK postcode, the data is publicly accessible but the media doesn't care about investigating
(stupid that you can sign using a robot script)
Their goal is to exceed the population of UK
>>99315David Cameron didn't even expect this to pass. The stupid idiot did it to appease internal party factions from defecting to UKIP before the last election.
Everything will be fine. It won't be a doomsday like Remain is predicting or a Utopia like Leave is promising. The market swings are caused by amateur investors panicking while professional traders pocket a nifty profit
No. 99334
>>99330They say the arrogant cunt Geldof actually swung a few people to leave with his behaviour.
Couldn't even be a good father to his poor daughter.
No. 99342
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81 retards on my facebook feed apparently
No. 99354
>>99316It's not a temporary thing, the Bank of England has set aside hundreds of millions in foreign currency reserves to stabilise the pound, since there is significantly less demand for it.
A cheaper pound will make an import reliant economy (britain currently has the second largest trade deficit in the world) strain because more expensive imports will depress demand and thus lower economic growth. Expoets might be helped but they're significantly smaller than imports and production capacity for export hasn't adequately grown.
No. 99363
>>99357I mean if you can't admit the European Union seriously fucked up with their approach to the migrant crisis I don't know what to say to you.
Do you actually consider what Merkel and Juncker and Tusk did to be good governance you fucking moron?
No. 99365
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>>99344That's the very definition of Democracy
Feel free to install a leftist dictatorship if you want
All the mainstream media sites are reporting the revote petition has reached 2.5 mllion votes. If you want a revote, there is this nifty script you can use:
http://pastebin.com/rgiiPbww No. 99374
>>99369And that makes it okay? I'm so tired of this, I really am.
>>99371How are you not being xenophobic? It makes it easier to accept rather than readily deny it expecting others to agree with you.
>>99366There are minorities in this country who feel unsafe by the majority. It's a two way street, although according to people in this thread that's not the case.
No. 99377
>>99375In that aspect, I partially agree however not everyone within certain cultures exhibit them on a daily basis and some go out of their way not to bring them up?
However, thinking something from a culture is bad doesn't automatically make that whole culture bad. Again, not everyone is like this - however there are misconceptions that are brought up time and time again that have been misproven only to be brought up again. In order to truly think a culture is bad, I think displaying a good understanding of it first is best. But using your dislike to then pit against another race that has that culture is xenophobic because you're automatically associating that negativity with an individual you hardly know.
No. 99379
>>99347exactly, they're my baltic/northeastern european "friends" who have had no experience living in the UK under the EU and live a cushy upper middle class living
fuck them
No. 99389
>>99384>opt to preserve their own in steadRight, in other words act like monkeys out of spite and lack of self-respect.
Half of my family is Bosnian Muslim and if we as well as literally the majority of Christians/Jews in Europe can preserve our culture without resorting to ass-backwards tribal rituals and habits, I'm sure you can too.
But of course it's easier for us because we're 'white', but only when it suits your narrative :^) Nevermind that most people in Turkey are the same way despite their religion and nutcase leader.
>And you presuming that sexist, backward beliefs do not crop up in other cultures, they're just not mainstream, acceptable cultureExactly, they're not mainstream unlike in a lot of Muslim cultures (you know who you are) where educating your female child is considered scandalous. That right there is the problem.
I for one am glad we had socialism, at least we're not backwards plebs using discrimination as a get out of jail free card and can actually admit it's our own fault we're lazy and poor.
No. 99390
>>99382She's in Brussels but she's since moved to a better area.
But there shouldn't be entire swathes of your cities where the rules of your own culture don't apply.
No. 99391
>>99384Then leave. This is their country. Their ancestors shed blood for it. They won't let you and your non white ilk turn it into a place where there are entire zones totally alien to our way of life. Nobody is stopping you returning to your country of origin.
t. A child of European immigrants who respects the British and wants browns who want to recreate their own countries within Britain to fuck off.
No. 99392
>>99384>But any current approaches against extremism are heavy handed and counterproductive.Oh yeah, sure. Totally agree there.
Sexist beliefs pop up in every culture, yes. But they're far from the accepted truth like they are in Islamic societies and I don't see how it's an argument at all to bring up the fact you get a few bad eggs in any culture and then compare that to a culture which is primarily founded on bigoted ideas.
>Most people who are not White British (including myself) know that we cannot fully assimilate into Western society fully, therefore others opt to preserve their own in stead.This is exactly the problem. This is a fifth column that undermines democracy and it's bad for the people who experience being an outsider as well. Why would anyone want to live in a culture they'll never fully be a part of?
No. 99394
>>99392They're outsiders because that's the natural consequences of racial diversity. Go back to what a nation is at its roots. A collection of people sharing common ancestry enough to bind them together.
Multiracial states are not nations. They are empires who have to manage conflict between different groups.
No. 99395
>>99392Then can you say that rallies or any initiatives have had a significant effect in this country?
It's not everyone has a choice, believe me. But people have to live somewhere. And I do appreciate what it means to be born in Britain, I just don't have to be all-accepting.
>>99391And has in the past decided to shed blood in other countries and divide tight knit communities. Please, get over yourself.
No. 99397
>>99395>And has in the past decided to shed blood in other countries and divide tight knit communities. Please, get over yourself.And? Turkey fucking wrekt the entire region where I come from. Does that give me the right to destroy their country in turn? Should Iranians and Indians be flooding into the Gulf to destroy the Gulf Arab states for what they did to Persians and Indians?
Fuck off with this "muh immigration is cosmic justice for colonialism" bullshit. It doesn't fly with anyone who has more than a 2-bit understanding of world history.
No. 99399
>>99389Of course you came to that conclusion on your own, because other people aren't trying hard unlike yourself like me. Okay, laddie. I'm not even Muslim for starters.
>>99397Okay, so it's then totally acceptable behaviour. Glad we had this talk, appreciate it.
No. 99401
>>99400Well. No. Which is kind of my point? We can't seem to shake people of their extremist beliefs so they shouldn't be allowed in in the first place, neither should people with beliefs that are likely to turn into extremist beliefs.
I don't really get why you brought them up in the first place?
No. 99404
>>99399If they were 'trying hard' they wouldn't trick their daughters into marriage or send them to their respective home countries to get their clits sliced off so they could remain pure for their future middle-aged husbands. There's no room for your righteous indignation here.
>Okay, so it's then totally acceptable behaviour. Glad we had this talk, appreciate it.Lmao of course it isn't acceptable but what the fuck are
you gonna do about it centuries later? Act like a petulant child over something that happened before you were even born as if the people from that country now are in any way the same as the people who lived then? Grow up.
No. 99405
>>99404Don't even give her the dignity of a serious response.
Anyone who tries to ascribe some unique moral evil to European conduct needs to read the fuck up on what the early Muslims did to Zoroastrians and Indian Hindus and Buddhists, what the Chinese did to various ethnic groups who came under their sway (Sogdonians, Dzungars - i.e. genocide in the fullest sense of the term), let alone what the fucking Mongols did.
No. 99407
>>99401But telling one who doesn't hold extremist beliefs from one who does isn't something feasible to begin with. What do you suggest instead (sans outright blocking)? Not that I agree with this, just asking.
>>99404As if it hasn't had an effect on those countries and its people to this day. Is this is what you're trying to say?
>>99405Okay, as if I don't know that to begin with. Adding to my point above, the whole "Other races did just as bad." rhetoric is a common one, and a frequently used one.
Honestly.
No. 99408
>>99407>Okay, as if I don't know that to begin with. Adding to my point above, the whole "Other races did just as bad." rhetoric is a common one, and a frequently used one. No, other races did worse. Much, much worse. Even 11th century Muslims commented on the comparative fairness of the European Kingdom of Jerusalem towards its Muslim subjects compared to the treatment of them by neighboring Muslim Emirs. The British treated ethnic Chinese in Hong Kong better than the Qing Dynasty did, likewise for the Germans in Qingdao. Hell, even the Tsardom treated Koreans better than their own Joseon Dynasty did by its end.
Incidentally, there's nothing bad about what Europeans actually did. The idea that taking land for your people is "bad" in the first place is a European one, which was born out of the Enlightenment. So, ironically enough, you're using uniquely European standards to singularly condemn Europeans for supposed "crimes" which were far more egregious, brutal and "unfair" in other parts of the world.
>What do you suggest insteadNot her, but keep immigration to demographically manageable numbers. Millions of people shouldn't be moving here for settlement regardless of where they are from.
No. 99411
>>99410You don't need to block them. As I said in
>>99408 this is something I disagree with Trump on. It just invites ridicule when you propose blanket bans on certain countries.
The problem in essence with Muslims is just a symptom of a wider problem, which is an immigration and naturalization system that makes settling in western countries far, far too easy to begin with.
Fix it at its root. Make it difficult to actually get a work visa and settle here. That's the golden ticket.
No. 99412
>>99408Okay, so let's talk about Africa then. Africa governed its own people, (borders weren't drawn as they are today) and then Europeans arrived who saw prospect in Africa in the first place. What started as talks and trading quickly grew out of control. I'm not damning Europeans of the present, I just find it ridiculous that
>>99391 can say this considering history. Yes, in comparison to what other races did then it appears minor to you, but that history is what has lead to today's Britian and the sentiments from other once British-governed countries. I'm considered European since I was born in Britain so why would I purposefully want to be very against Europeans?
No. 99413
>>99412What race are you? Are you the mulatto with the absent father?
>Africa governed its own peopleMost of Africa wasn't governed by any polity, it was inhabited by hunter-gatherers. Parts of West and East Africa had primitive states, e.g. Benin, that basically functioned as loose tribal confederations. Yes, these people "governed their own people", they were also the ones who sold the slaves to the Europeans. So I'm not sure what moral point you're trying to make here.
No. 99414
>>99412>I'm considered EuropeanA dog born in a stable is not a horse.
Would I be Chinese if I were born in China?
No. 99415
>>99413Asking my race, and then making racial based assumptions as if that's going to warrant a reply.
Sorry, it's a bit more complicated than 'hunter-gatherers'. There were factions, chiefs who passed laws and led people. As it did not resemble what most Europe countries had, a lot of the smaller details were dismissed. It's not as if selling slaves was right to do, but it wasn't always willingly. My point and the only point I've made is that countries that have been controlled by European countries still face negative effects in the current age, which you haven't denied yet.
>>99414You would be considered nationally Chinese, so your analogy here is a little. And I didn't say that I was ethnically or be considered European was I? I only said it in a technical sense. It's not like all British people see themselves as European so stop tripping.
No. 99419
>>99415>asking my raceYour race is pertinent here. You are an outsider living within Britain, as I am. Are you black?
>Sorry, it's a bit more complicated than 'hunter-gatherers'.No it isn't. The vast majority of Africa is the interior, the only real things that could be considered "states" in any sense of the term were on the West and East Coasts.
>As it did not resemble what most Europe countries hadIt did not resemble what the rest of the world had, because it was vastly less developed than the rest of the world, any any point in its history.
>My point and the only point I've made is that countries that have been controlled by European countries still face negative effects in the current age, which you haven't denied yet.I deny that any of these negative influences are the result of European governance, since European governance left these countries with good, well-functioning infrastructures that they promptly destroyed themselves upon decolonization.
Now, if you're going to argue that Europeans divided Africa without regard for ethnic boundaries then that's fine and good, and it is a valid point, but in making this point you make an admission that multiracial/ethnic states are by definition more dysfunctional than ethnically homogeneous ones. So do you see the pickle you've landed yourself in here?
>You would be considered nationally ChineseI wouldn't be considered Chinese in any meaningful way by anyone who actually matters, i.e. the Chinese people themselves. And no, I wouldn't. Chinese nationality is ius sanguinus, not ius soli.
Tell me, why is the rest of the world allowed to have a racially exclusive sense of their own identity but Europe and North America alone have to cede any sense of ethnic identity in service of a "propositional identity" none of us ever wanted or asked for.
No. 99424
>>99419I said doing it in a matter that you've done isn't in the best way. This is a discussion (somewhat), not a firing round. Don't expect an outright answer.
Okay, to you. That might be the case, but that's the course of the world, I've never made a point that it did not come along with issues. And there are cases where it is controlled and dealt with regardless. You have since only perceived it to be wholly negative. Both cases have their own individual issues.
But you got it, and now you're proposing solutions that aren't going to satisfy people who think like you in the long run all the while proclaiming acceptance. And it isn't as if other countries house other races. The world will eventually grow to be racially diversified. Plus we've already picked on your sentiments, you've tried to downplay them in recent years to begin with.
That's all I have to say, it's quite late and your thoughts are superceeded by your nation's actions.
The best part is that you're calling me an outsider, who are you? You're probably not British or live within the Isles, but place yourself over me because you're most likely European. That's intriguing, need to watch out for your folk. (Shame to those with these thoughts who are unlike you, though.) It's been a long hour and Britain's future is ahead, with an 'outsider' like me in it.
No. 99425
>>99424>Don't expect an outright answer.Because you know you're vulnerable. Because you know it's pertinent. Because you know your own racial interests collide with those of the native inhabitants.
>you're proposing solutions that aren't going to satisfy people who think like you in the long run all the while proclaiming acceptanceThe vast majority of white people in this country want the total inflow for settlement to be reduced, at once, to negligible proportions.
>The world will eventually grow to be racially diversified.No it won't. The only countries on earth that allow demographically significant settlement from racial aliens are white ones. The non-white ones are going to remain homogeneous.
>The best part is that you're calling me an outsiderOf course you're an outsider. You openly gloat about white british minoritization within their own homeland under the guise of "racial diversification".
No. 99426
>>99424Absent father :)
BM/WF always seems to end up this way for some reason. Funny isn't it?
No. 99427
>>99426If it satisfies you, that simply isn't the case. I'm not mixed. But your having your field day out here so I won't stop you.
Hopefully you two will settle down in a week or so.
No. 99435
>>99386Really? A ton of liberals are supporting and defending them, ignoring the rape statistics in Germany and Sweden. It boils my blood. And they respond with 'b-but we're all immigrants!'
Nothing wrong with immigrants, but do it legally. Obama wants to flood the country with 'refugees' with no real end game except letting islam take over. Muslims don't adapt or integrate into a country. Look at poor London.
No. 99436
>>99384>Most people who are not White British (including myself) know that we cannot fully assimilate into Western society fully, Then fuck off. Why even leave a country to basically ruin another? I found it hard to be sympathetic to these refugees when they are the most ungrateful pieces of shits. Want to claim asylum, but refuse to accept how western society works.
Sorry mate, our woman can drive and get jobs and actually think for themselves. We don't mind gays either. I will never accept muslims into the U.S
The fact that they wanted a mosque built around ground zero was all kind of levels of disrespect. Pray at your own damn house.
No. 99443
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Looks like not only did the David Cameron resign, but there is also drama in the Labour party:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36621777Seems like Jeremy Corbyn is a old school socialist and never a big fan of the EU, and he barely did any campaigning to support Remain (probably secretly rooted for Brexit secretly). Many Labour districts turned out heavily for Brexit, and now the party is starting a coup to remove him.
>Left today: Supports supra-national corporate influence and the globalist elite>Right today: Supports blue collar working class and against international free trade agreementsFunny how both have effectively swapped sides
No. 99445
>>99444Seems like they were added later:
Yes (weak) Borders
Yes (EU) Nations
Apparently some guy was butthurt and thinks weak borders is better than no borders
>With no borders you get good people and bad people>With weak borders you only get the bad people No. 99448
>>99436>Airs gripes with Islam even despite me saying beforehand I'm not Muslim.Read up before posting, I'm not going to do it for you. And I love that people alike to yourself think that's a viable option for everyone. Let your ideals not conflate with others realities.
And acting like those two things are not prevalent in other countries, why are you holding your complex with Islam over me?
No. 99524
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Bunch of random Europeans signing that 2nd referendum petition got called out and stopped.
They seem pissed off their free way ticket to a new house, job and handout has been cut off
No. 99559
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>>99105>>99108>>99135>into a free, independent, and prosperous democratic Britain where children are safe and we don't have to worry about terrorist attacks. May I ask how exactly do you plan to achieve that? Honestly britbongs, what's the next step of your master plan? You're not going to get a better trade deal than with the EU. I'd really love to hear the solutions the armchair economists ITT have to offer.
>>99122>They aren't a single-issue party.Tell me about their other issues.
>>99222Fucking hilarious lolcow can manages to turn complaints about "immigrants" into "they aren't dressing kawaii enough for me" tbh
>>99238>stock marketsk fam
>>99391>REEEE get out of my country! muh ancestors shed blood for it!Did you have a stroke and forget about which empire invaded the entire goddamn world?
No. 99562
>>99559The Mongols? The various Islamic caliphates? We've already dealt with this bullshit lie that Europeans have some unique morally particular element to their history in this very thread.
What race are you? Asian?
No. 99564
>>99562>Britain is the second largest market for them in Europe. The EU buys
nearly half of all your exports. Keep deluding yourself that you have the upper hand negotiating your leave when the time comes, fucking moron.
>>99562I didn't say you were unique. I'm calling you a fucking hypocrite for complaining about someone else doing something when you're much more guilty of the very same thing yourselves. Nice to see you respond with some red herring bullshit that has nothing to do with my point. Congrats retard.
No. 99567
>>99564Yes. I'm sure the head of Daimler will allow the eu to introduce mutual tariffs. Makes perfect sense.
Fuck off you non white. You're not even a real American.
No. 99568
>>99564Yes. I'm sure the head of Daimler will allow the eu to introduce mutual tariffs. Makes perfect sense.
Fuck off you non white. You're not even a real American.
No. 99581
>>99122UKIP is a single issue party. Their sole purpose is to get UK out of the EU, and they still need to see brexit through because in theory the parliament can backtrack and refuse to invoke article 50 (70% of current MPs were for Remain)
Keep in mind UK joined the EEC in 1973 when it was only an economic trading bloc. In 1993 it took on a political role became the EU. Currently the European Commission are full of federalists who believe in integrating EU into a USA-style federation. This is an ongoing process w/ new legislation being passed down from Brussels and member states can't opt out without leaving the EU.
Whether or not you support Brexit, it's important to understand UKIP's primary argument is the transformation from economic union to political union was a bait and switch UK voters did not sign up for (there was a referendum in 1975 for the EEC). Apparently Farage doesn't want UK to become the European version of New York State and Brussels becoming their Washington D.C.
This doesn't mean the Leave campaign were saints. They exploited the 2015 refugee crisis to drive emotional votes. Of course the Stay campaign were out painting them as racists and neo-nazis so that wasn't pretty either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LmDNby6jC0 No. 99590
>>99587Agreed. The people who keep talking about this are mostly Americans. I'm not sure why? Especially since they knew JACK SHIT about this subject before it happened.
It's pretty annoying. It doesn't even affect them at all like wtf.
No. 99654
>>99652Why are you bringing up imperial era japan and cold war era china era as examples? Americans hung random black people from trees as recently as the 1960's
>>99650Political correctness is going to die if Trump gets elected. Depending on your view of free speech this is either a good thing or a bad thing
No. 99665
>>99654That race riot in china haplened in 1989.
Let's not forget that the PLA is still occupying Tibet and Xinjiang, but we don't get tovse that, as opposed to the media circus whenever some thug gets shot in America.
No. 99690
>>99666*Correct Decision
I really didn't care about SJW/das racist apologizers until it literally became the political platform topic of this year's election. We can talk about muh terrorism scare tactics, but the truth is ISIS isn't a fucking joke, and assimilating the cultural "values" of "refugees" just means Americans giving more tax dollars, more good neighborhoods, over to the next shade of dindus.
>>99581This is incredibly relevant to Americans as the Trans Pacific Partnership basically passed, meaning MORE of our Economy will be ship-overseas, in exchange for more influence over our trade partners.
Brexit, in the eyes of an American, seems almost impossible but here it is, and I'm damn happy to see it. The EU is an insurance policy for global disaster.
No. 99700
>>99690Precisely and we are letting of were going to allow god knows how many more in along side Turkey if they were going join which they would. Turkish work all through summer and spring but dont in winter. Hence why they make a killing in their holiday resorts. I used to live in turkey for five months when i was a teen. Found out a lot. So they would work there in summer and come over in winter to grab some British tax payer more. I can see their plan right way.
Plus the visa marriage married man shit who uses dumb british women to grab a green card so he can arrive in the UK for freebies too.
Nah they can fuck off. Lovely people at the most but nope.
ISIS lurks all over the show… It doesnt help we have asian teens getting involved with the crazy fucks online either. All those ones who have gone there, it annoys me how the soft touch police say they would allow them to come back.
To me thats just tresion. I dont think they should let then back in. One for the stupid decision making and two fuck knows what they will have on them or in them if they came back.
No. 99911
>>99581>They exploited the 2015 refugee crisis to drive emotional votes. hahaha,
that's your biggest problem with them? Not the fact that they literally made shit up?
No. 100100
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>>99940>you can remove Yeah good luck with that.
No. 100135
>>100113Oh yes the good old days before the EU, when shops sold out of date food, cities were polluted and buildings were damp,beaches were filled with debris.
If England wishes to return to the "good old days" so be it, but Scotland is staying in the EU.
No. 100141
>>98769a summary: leave voters now know they fucked up and are too proud to admit it.
i usually dont state my opinion as fact but brtiain made an unresearched, unproven decisions and failed this country massively.
if you voted leave, congrats, ur racism is stronger than your love for this country.
im outtie
No. 100148
>>100141How is it even racist? Whites voting for other whites to get out (poles for e.g)
Retainers are just pissed off because they have to pay more to visit other countries and preach rasizum to everyone who voted leave even if it wasn't the migrant issue.
Ugh I can't wait till the EU shit blows over its getting on my fucking nerves.
No. 100151
>>100116No we'll probably get sucked back in tbh.
So British get fuck all done for them and random people from elsewhere get housed and seen to first before our own. House prices go up, less work (depending) and the country becomes more and more and more overpopulated.
No. 100159
>>100149Our EU membership has nothing to do with accepting people from the middle east.
The reason why council housing is in a state has nothing to do with migrants, blame your own poxy westminister gov. for that.
No. 100164
>>100160Pakistanis are notorious dole cheats.
Poles and eastern Europeans generally work hard.
The only reason you hear about them so much is because it's acceptable to moan about white immigration when in reality it's the least
problematic group.
No. 100221
>>100208I don't think your country is the one exception to the trend.
We have welfare dependency and criminality data stratified by race from the UK, US, Switzerland, Germany etc.
In every single country, even Switzerland, there's the same pattern that repeats: Blacks are the most criminal and welfare dependent, followed by, MENAs/Pakistanis and so on. Just to give you some idea. In Switzerland, a relatively safe country, immigrants are 600% more likely to be criminal than a native Swiss.
Incidentally, why should you allow someone in to stack shelves just because he's a "hard worker"? His demand side pressure on public services and the housing market alone makes him a net recipient versus his meager taxes.
No. 100222
>>100221*immigrants from sub-saharan Africa
Some ethnic groups work hard. But that's not really something that should concern us, hard working or not hard working, more racial diversity equals more racial tension, so it seems to me to be a point of axiomatic understanding that keeping a country as homogeneous as possible keeps the levels of racial tension lower than they otherwise would be.
I don't want a black/pakistani underclass and I don't want a Chinese/East Asian technocratic overclass. I want immigration for settlement limited to demographically insignificant numbers.
The other stuff, like making it a points-based system for those who are granted work visas, should just be a matter of common sense, that's not even ideological as far as I'm concerned.
No. 100340
>>100135Wanna know how I can tell you weren't even born when those days were around? And don't lie and say you were, its clear you were not. Or maybe you're a chav, that would explain a lot.
>>100148Calling someone racist has no meaning anymore. Can't help but roll my eyes when I hear RAYCEESSST.