/ot/ - off-topic

>>88186
SJW is a derogatory term because most posters on 4chan are nerdy males. Fact. Also, another reason is because SJWs are ridiculous, even those who aren't extreme, with their double standards. It makes people rage. That's what I think at least.
>black lives matters
code word for "black people should be able to resist the police"
>anti-rape culture
I guess this one should not be opposed but on no image board but lolcow rape is somehow taken very seriously because most posters are female probably.
>trans right
they have rights as any human being as in that they should not be assaulted or killed but i do not support them as i think supporting them is like fueling someone with an ED.

As for the rapeculture part, what people here dont understand that this is not tumblr or your typical mainstream news website where people often post with their real names/not so unanonymously. People who post on image boards are anonymous thus they often say what they have on their mind. Also even though that imo not everyone on 4chan is racist and homophobic today's society would still consider them so simply because they say words like nigger and faggot even though they truly are not racist. So yeah that might let you think that we're all racists there if you're a "normie" and evil if you're a "sjw"
I'm not pro-rape culture, but what I hate is being obnoxious about it. Plus it must trigger victims to hear about it all the time on tumblr. I also think the anti-rape SJWs are retarded and ruined many lives of innocent men and women.

But we're living in a society filled with double standards, remember that. Also the SJW culture on 4chan is rapidly rising so be happy tbh.

I can't answer for the whole gamergate/4chan crowd, since I think on the whole they're liberals in the broad sense - just liberals who disagree with how far liberalism has gone.

But personally I simply don't agree with the axioms that: 1) Making things more equal makes them better and 2) Increasing individual freedom makes things better.

In short I think the fundamental principles they hold to be axiomatic are de-civilizing processes (look at what is going on in Europe right now for a classic example) and, more than that, are at odds with human nature (heritability of intelligence and a great number of other things).

More specifically I don't think feminists have ownership over the whole concept of caring about "women's issues". Most feminists I've met support things like a "rehabilitation based justice system", which actively harm women (look at how many women are raped by recidivist rapists who are released from jail for example).

Some people use SJW to mean "I hate liberals and this person is a liberal", and some use it to mean "tumblrinas who support inclusive non-binary weight identity privilege dynamics and fight against the normative oppression of *-kinmates by truscum mansplaining dudebros".

People in the latter category are very annoying and unintentionally amusing, and unfortunately more and more widespread on the modern Internet, so it makes sense that less PC places like imageboards would mock them.

I think the people who use it to just mean liberals in general are typically far-right zealots with a hard-on for nationalism and fascism and hatred of "degeneracy". It's just their go-to word for berating the opposition. SJW really did initially just mean Social Justice Warriors, and wasn't really intended to target the concept of "social justice" itself, but it was eventually morphed into that by the likes of /pol/.

There are lots of shades of gray they don't see. Not all feminists are rabid patriarchy-smashing misandrists, and not all trans people are crazy attention whore snowflakes.

>>88223
Transsexuality is a mental disorder. The suicide rate alone attests to that.

I think a lot of liberals are just embarrassed that the go-to figures of fun are no longer southern baptist christians, but people cut from the same cloth as them.

>>88223
>some people
you mean the redditors? I think OP isn't talking about reddit or the people who couldnt fit in on 4chan so they shitpost on tumblr (which is funny as they dont really fit in on tumblr either)

>>88226
I agree transsexuality is a mental disorder, but probably 75% of all imageboard users have at least one mental disorder. It doesn't mean they should be treated as less than human, and we're not really ones to talk. I think it's also pretty obvious why someone would feel suicidal if they were transgender. I know I sure as fuck would.

People with major depression probably have a suicide rate as high, or higher. They should still be treated with sympathy rather than derision.

>>88230
Their disorder is encouraged and feted by libtards, you are enabling people who want to mutilate themselves for the sake of a sexual fetish.

Don't you feel a sense of shame for doing this? Just so you can status signal your enlightenment to other libtards?

>>88230
LOL have you forgotten about Leelah Alcorn? (idk what his real name is lol)

>>88233
Calm down faggot. Don't assume my political stances or what things I "enable".

I don't think that it's generally "encouraged" by liberals, at least not any more than homosexualty is encouraged. It's back-patted, but not encouraged. You see that sort of "oh wow gee I'm so proud you should be so proud you're so brave!!!!!!" from a lots of liberals, like when gays started coming out in the years where it was still pretty taboo, but encouragement is different.

It is definitely encouraged and even pushed by "open minded non-binary" tumblr types, where gender and sex are basically seen as an illusory construct. And I think a lot of them do do it for social kudos and out of social pressure. These people are a completely different breed though, and aren't worth arguing with or about.

All that said, a large portion of transgender people do not do it as a sexual fetish (even though research has shown that some do). Other research has shown that some people have an irregular exposure to androgens and estrogens as a fetus, and that this might be tied to later issues of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality. I'm sure there are probably a myriad of potential causes.

>>88234
What's your point?

Who you call or don't call a SJW says more about you than about the individual in question.

IMO, it comes down to first principles. What do you think the real problem is? What course of action you suggest to remedy that problem?

Rhetorical questions: what do you call someone who believes in an oppressive white patriarchal power structure but in the name of equality and non-violence does not wish to act to alienate white men? What do you call someone who believes that homosexuality and transsexuality are wrong but is all for allowing same-sex marriage and SRS/hormone therapy because they believe in individual freedom?

Labels are a smokescreen. Sadly, most people, no matter where they fall in this matter, aren't willing to dig deep and examine their base convictions, nor will they admit what they don't know.

>>88242
>what do you call someone who believes in an oppressive white patriarchal power structure but in the name of equality and non-violence does not wish to act to alienate white men
A moderate leftist.

>What do you call someone who believes that homosexuality and transsexuality are wrong but is all for allowing same-sex marriage and SRS/hormone therapy because they believe in individual freedom?
A moderate social conservative.

>>88243
Rhetorical questions. The question was about who is a social justice warrior, not where they fall on the (American?) political spectrum.

>>88243
What do you call someone who wants Japanese style immigration laws in Europe?

A nazi.

>>88242
Your first principle is one back from that though, namely that a country dominated by white people is inherently wrong.

>>88241
My point? Leelah was treated pretty good but the rest of the world literally not margo style bullied his poor parents who already had to deal with the death of their crazy son.

I can bet ya that 100% of the bullies were not /pol/tards. Or racists. Or even radical blacks. They were plain liberal leftists who "fight for justice". Yeah. Bullying the parents.

>>88300
I'd argue everyone who did that was a SJW, not a mere liberal. But then we've gone full circle to OP's point again.

>>88186
Is that Kathleen Hanna of Bikini Kill? I don't really think she counts as an SJW because she's a second wave feminist and SJWs hate them

>>88316
Many people in the 90s felt the same way about second wave feminism abs riot girls as people currently feel about sjws.

>>88300
nice Kennedi dubs

>>88210
Europe is a big fucking place you're gonna have to be more specific with what's going on in Europe because where I live fucking nothing is happening.

>>88369
Your country's demographics aren't changing fairly rapidly? If you're from western Europe they most certainly are.

>>88374
Not really. At least not even remotely close to "rapidly". The whole shit's being blown out of proportion by the media, like it always is.

>>88428
I don't believe you. Go to Paris and look at the state of the place. On the metro it's like a fucking African city. And that's just the city center. Holy shit the suburbs/banieulue…

Paris used to be such a beautiful place. Makes me so mad. London isn't much better. Marseilles is full of shitskins. Likewise for Birmingham.

>>88495
Most of the shitskins have been there since the sixties. This isn't news.

>>88508
1970s actually since that's when France liberalised its immigration laws.

And that's kind of my point. Many Maghrebis are second and third gen and still trash. In before this is the fault of French people somehow.

>>88512
>demographics changing rapidly
>45 years ago

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>>88528
Changing the racial makeup of a population by 20% in the space of 40 years is fairly huge. That's larger than the combined effect of all the migrationary chaos that accompanied the end of the Western Roman Empire (Ostrogoths, Visigoths etc).

Not to mention it isn't slowing down. In another 40 years France may be just 50% white, if that.

>>88529
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying it isn't news.

Because videos like this are coming out on a weekly basis.

https://youtu.be/BY1H1rZL53I