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No. 85522
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>>85504>anti-race mixingAs well as it being a matter of classism. Numbers show that that individuals below the poverty line are statistically more inclined to be sick or sad.
In regards to the effectiveness of human engineering, true it works towards a healthy, standardised future, but at what human cost?
Personally I think it's just the same old Nazi agenda wrapped up in a different coloured bow. Looking at all the signs, based on your class, or creed, life is about to get either really, really good, or turn to a complete shitstorm, very soon it seems.
>see A. Huxleys' 'Brave New World' No. 85529
>Do you believe that all human life is sacred regardless of its calibre?Yes.
>If so, why do humans not apply this standard to all animals?Cognitive dissonance.
>Why are humans regarded as being exceptional to the rule even when some of them are born into the world with the mental capacity of turnip?Cognitive dissonance.
>Is it wasteful to redirect resources, time and energy towards caring for a human 24 hours of every day for decades when such a human will never have the possibility of contributing to a society in any way?Depends on how you define wasteful. If you are born without arms, you may be unable to contribute to others. However, being otherwise conscious and functional, you still want to live. If you are born a vegetable, or are an adult with an IQ of 10, it's a different story.
If you're talking about abandoning or killing such people, that's not directly related to eugenics at all; just a potential method of implementing some aspects of it.
If you mean sterilizing people with major disabilities… that's probably a good idea, but forced sterilization comes with many issues and infringements. Maybe some system where their disability payments are greatly increased if they accept sterilization could be a balanced alternative.
>>85504An objective eugenics system may actually involve a lot of controlled race mixing, depending on what phenotypes you want to optimize for. It's likely a eugenics program would optimize for mental rather than physical characteristics, so you could very well see major amounts of race mixing and new kinds of appearances.
>>85523No, that's a misunderstanding of what eugenics is. Eugenics is about propagating the best genotype possible over as many generations as possible. A eugenics program very much would try to avoid eliminating potentially beneficial genetic combinations. Eugenics is about quality, not merely purity.
No. 85537
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>>85529all good points anon
but there's always room for people to use applications like this to their own advantage (pic related)
>>85528no labels involved, anon.
nothing has being forgotten, only disregarded due to it being literally ancient history.
The German youth in WW2 died with the same vigor and mindless sense of the motherland the Spartans had practiced. Many parallels can be drawn between the two societies. I mean, the Nazis converted classical greek artifacts during the war…unlike other social revolutions, (Maoist China etc), who were hell bent in burning the past to ashes.
Well known too that the swastika is symbol older than time, and has only recently come to represent the dark deeds of Hitlers reign.
No. 85583
Even Helen Keller wrote an essay on it and why it could be considered moral to have as an option to parents in the case of preventing entire lifetimes of meaningless suffering. Some people can't function at all; they're not "there" mentally and often bring immense toil and sorrow to those around them as well as to themselves, like in
>>85476 where this poor guy is clearly continually miserable and frustrated and so is his family, and there is no cure or treatment good enough to truly help them (or like the case of the Hartley Hooligans who are almost entirely immobile and unconscious of their surroundings). I think it's every parent's right to choose. If they know their child has an enormous disability and will never be able to think at a near-normal level or function whatsoever it's still their choice to bring that child into the world and take care of them for decades, since the child is theirs. But also no one should be forced to keep a severely disabled or deformed fetus and spend their whole life caring them when it would only create more human suffering in the world for one or both parties.
No. 85596
>>85529>Maybe some system where their disability payments are greatly increased if they accept sterilization could be a balanced alternative.I disagree that is a good idea. you can't pay human experiments, because it is unethical; if you did, you will disproportionately be testing on people who
need the money, ie the poor, mentally ill, and so on. Same reason you can't do human experiments on prisoners, they're already a vulnerable population. Of course people would accept extra money for sterilization, because if they're already on disability they're already probably in poverty, and injured, or mentally ill, same principle still applies imo making it really unethical.
No. 85609
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>>85589You are a fucking cunt. I hope this is bait.
Aren't some autistic supposed to have levels of intelligence in certain areas that are extremely above average?
I have an autistic relative and he seems to get upset whenever everyone else is engaged in conversation and he has nothing to distract him. He has fits because he feels he is unable to participate in the dull symbolic exchanges we all do everyday. It seems beyond him and all he wants to do is be active. If mentally handicapped people get upset you can't always just blame it on their handicap. There are bigger problems to address like the lack of options for everyday exciting experiences in the society we've built. This is especially so for people who are surrounded by private land and tiny back yards.
>>85476The kid in the video is clearly extremely upset by something and all his mum can say is 'OWIE, YOU GOT SANTI CLAUSE ON TV?'. She's standing in the living room jittering about her material possessions. Her son didn't choose a life rotting in the same mundane suburban existence as she does, and sometimes it's overwhelming for him.
No. 85622
>>85609>offended when someone mocks autistic people>not thinking he isn't better off deadBut just based on the fact you seem to be bothered when someone here mocked autistic people I just wonder…why even are you here? In general I just wonder why the tumblrinas come here? I know its probably because they came from PULL but after being
triggered so much why are people like you still here?
No. 85626
>>85583Well, abortion is legal in the US, and what you're describing is already a choice many people make.
I think OP was discussing the ethics of euthanizing such people
after they've already been born.
No. 85635
>>85622I'm not 'offended' by people mocking autists, I'm just not a total cunt and think they should die.
Why the fuck are you here? You've used the words 'tumblrina', '
triggered' and accused me of coming from PULL. Post something original for once in your life.
No. 85643
>>85632We haven't always agreed on the same ugly features though. We don't even agree now. While symmetry might always be valued, things like ideal noses, lips and eyes change depending on person, place and time. Big butts were unfashionable only a few years ago, now they're great. High foreheads were prized once, now they're seen as weird-looking. Even the ideal lip shaped has changed. A small, pouty, rosebud mouth was considered feminine and perfect, now it's big lips all around. the shape of the perfect nose has changed throughout history. We can't know what will be attractive in ten years or fifty or a hundred.
Anyway, once "perfect" becomes the norm, it means nothing any more. People are considered beautiful when they're above average and are stunning. Nobody will be striking, everybody will have the same kind of features. Maybe we can pretend that that means everybody will be beautiful but it's more likely that people will start to be praised for rarer features and new ideals will be made, which is what has always happened. Nobody ever praises what everybody has because there's nothing special about it.
No. 85651
You guys need to watch this, from 10:28.
How many of you believe you could raise a child like that?
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>>85609
>you are a fucking cunt. I hope this is bait.>aren't some autistic supposed to have levels of intelligence in certain areas that are extremely above average?You obviously don't understand enough about the autistic spectrum to be licensed to go around accusing others of being cunts.
Savant autism is extremely rare, and of course though that fall under that spectrum are typically high functioning and extremely capable of leading perfectly normal, happy, productive lives.
We're debating specifically, among others, the more extreme forms of autism, in which the affected human is barely cognitively functional, has no concept of their surroundings, is unable to communicate, is violent and aggressive, requires around the clock care and only a burden to their family and the people surrounding them. Case in point the kid in
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>>85626
>I think OP was discussing the ethics of euthanizing such people after they've already been born.I mean a bit of both really. I mean you have to draw a line somewhere, but say a child was born with it's face missing, no legs and and only a small proportion of its brain developed, I have to wonder what kind of life that human would go on to lead.
I would never approve of euthanising a person that it mentally competent regardless of their physical status.
No. 85656
>>85637maybe they wouldn't behave this way if we weren't all executing domesticated performances 24/7 in our own lives and expecting them to do the same.
they should run free like wild autistic ponies
No. 85662
>>85657
>because it's not fairWas the world ever fair?
When has existence ever been fair?
No. 85667
>>85609>Aren't some autistic supposed to have levels of intelligence in certain areas that are extremely above average?Some, not all. Not even most in fact.
Not every autistic person is some kind of idiot genius, some of them are just autistic. A lot of high functioning autistics like to think they're secretly geniuses but they're not either. Playing along with and perpetuating this inaccurate misconception is stupid and damaging.
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>>85632Head binding: practiced by numerous cultures in history. Considered attractive then, some Native American tribes even used it to distinguish themselves from the "lower class". Not so attractive to "us," is it?
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>>85632Chinese foot binding: a mark of beauty for thousands of years, performed on almost all women. Today, "we" are horrified by the practice and consider it "ugly." Beauty does indeed change.
No. 85671
>>85670>>85669If pixyteri did this they would still consider her ugly because of her assymetrical face but if angelina jolie did this (even if you dont find her pretty; she is still not ugly) she'd be considered very beautiful. My point is, trends like footbinding doesnt count. Symmetrical features are timeless and I guess I ruined my point by saying thin lips are ugly, because thin lips itself have nothing to do with having an assymetrical face.
>>85643Yeah I worded my examples wrong my bad. I just meant an even symmetric face.
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>>85677I already clarified myself but tbh if thin lips to you means pic related then that to me does not mean thin lips! Imo thin lips are kylie jenner lips before the surgery. No one can find that shit attractive it looks like an open wound jesus
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>>85677While I meant symmetric as in even features I still doubt anyone in any country would find these lips attractive.
No. 85710
>>85699It has been noted that thin lips appear to age a person, where as full or plump lips allow a person to appear more youthful (obviously not the exaggerated ones we're seeing people get done now a day in order to achieve this aesthetic).
Although trends change, some tend to linger and persevere. Influences from different cultures also tend to make there way to other areas, but there are certain preferences from each culture that will not be cast aside to make way for the new trend. For example, I highly doubt that in East Asia there will ever be a high preference for tanned skin (not going to mention Gyaru due to it be a sub culture and not whats common) just because Americans are obsessed with it. Or just because thin is in, Latinos will never go for non curvy bodies. You can be 5'7 and 90 lbs, as long as you have an hourglass looking figure you'd still be considered ok.
No. 85733
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>>85699I'm the anon you replied to, yes, I too find Kylie Jenner before surgery prettier but I dont find the before surgery kylie prettier because of her lips but because her new lips just look obviously botox'd. And before her botox lips she looked like she ate bolognese sauce. Although I dont think she was ugly by any means but uhm her lips are the least attractive, her eyes are what people might make want to bang her (before surgery and perhaps after)
No. 85734
>>85722Not that anon you replied but that greasy blob of cancer is not a child he is a grown man and deserves to be treated like the grown man he is.
Kill it with fire.
No. 85912
>>85632Ugly people aren't a victim of their features, they're a victim of people's reaction to their features. They have 100 percent capacity to live a fulfilling and productive life, their 'shortcomings' are projected onto them by others.
Also half the shit you're saying like 'big noses will always be ugly' is purely from Eurocentric beauty standards, which have only spread so far across the world because of colonialism and media.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/20/world/study-finds-tv-alters-fiji-girls-view-of-body.html No. 85921
>>85916Anon you sound very young and not college/university educated.
>>85912 is spot on.
No. 85922
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>>85921>you sound very young and not college/university educatedfuck off cretin
No. 85924
>>85922K' now I
know you're underageb&.
Debate is something you'll have to eventually confront in further education you know. You either stand by the strength of your conviction or you back down. Ad hominem doesn't fly in a seminar, kid.
No. 85928
>>85924special snowflake thinks is speshul and intelligent because
>further education>SEMINARS>>85622>>85921true autism is coming on to an image board and posting descriptions of the what you think the identities of ANONYMOUS posters are like
No. 85943
>>85912>They have 100 percent capacity to live a fulfilling and productive life, their 'shortcomings' are projected onto them by others.Are you seriously saying that possesing beautystandards is not a part of the natural human society? You can't just say "hurrr if humans weren't so mean to uglies they would function just like everyone else". That doesn't work. We have free will and we can react to how we find things however we want. And if it happens so that we caucasian faces attractive it is part of our evolution. It's like saying "if we didn't have to go to school and work the NEETs would function optimally like everyone else".
No offense but you have tumblr mentality.
No. 86120
>>85943There's a difference between a culture possessing beauty standards in general and a culture perpetuating those standards though selectively representing those that are deemed 'attractive' in media such as TV, movies, models and advertising, celebrities (including singers whose profession is seemingly unrelated to their looks), and magazines telling us a billion different ways to achieve and emulate these looks despite the vast majority of the population not having these features.
Just take a look at the multitude of skin whitening creams, contouring techniques that make your nose look thinner, overdrawing lips etc. that's commonly accepted with no one even questioning why. I'd say women are more directly affected by these standards than men just because of increased pressure to be attractive, but it applies to everyone.
'Tumblr mentality' literally doesn't mean anything, it's a site composed of millions, including neo nazis and pedophiles.
No. 115959
>>85475We are all results of personal Eugenic and not state controlled
Try to prove me wrong