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No. 60544

What's with the West's peculiar fascination for East Asia, particularly South Korea and Japan?

I know the West has always had a fixation on the Orient, but in the past images of the Orient had a wider variety of countries with Arab countries being the forefront of the "mysterious Orient" (many Eastern-themed paintings in the 19th and 20th century were centered on an Arabian/Turkish/Islamic theme, instead of now where all mentions of Eastern automatically translates in most people's minds to China, Japan, Korea, ect).

Before the early 70's, it seems The West barely had any to do with these countries or their cultures other than treating it like any usual foreign country but for some reason a growing subset of Western people became strongly enamored with this Asian countries, and of course, their women.

I feel like this weird phenomena is also related to the high levels of "yellow fever" in white, Western men we see today. It makes me laugh when a lot of people pretend the attraction whites have for asians or mutual respect between cultures, ect, always existed and is biological when this seems to be a somewhat modern thing.

But.. . why?
Some people are curious about this too but I think it would be more interesting if I made a thread about it instead of obscure weirdos making passing comments about it in threads vaguely related to this topic.

No. 60547

>>60544

Ok maybe it's wrong saying that the West had BARELY to do with these countries before the early 70's (Pacific front and the war between America and Japan, anymore?) but it wasn't such a … I don't know mainstream thing mentioned outside politics yet. I can't get the wording quite right.

No. 60553

I wish I was better at writing out my opinion but I'm not really, but here are a few points that I think contribute to the obsession with Japan

>90s kids watch anime without knowing, it introduces them and also makes them nostalgic for it

>this happened not only in North America but in south america and france too. Likely other places as well
>Japan produces a majority of video games, has content that is continuously localized for different regions.
>Manga and anime have had a growing community probably due to the popularity via 80s/90s. This leads to lots of translations thus the content is easily accessible
>Japan itself likes that gaijins are throwing them money for various things such as travel, tourism, and merchandise thus they try to continue to market it

I feel in general its easy for kids to become weeaboos since everything is so easy to access. And the general aesthetic and "kawaii" probably draws in a ton more people.

No. 60558

>>60553

France already had a bit of a weeb culture before America knew what "weeb" was. Still, I don't see why French guys don't get as obsessed with the idea of a Japanese pure waifu and going to Japan like a lot of American teenagers/young adults do.

It must be something very particular about what happened w/ America thus influencing the West as a whole (France even further, and especially the rest of the Anglo-speaking countries)

No. 60561

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>>60558

i asked international once since I was curious

No. 60563

>>60561

Interesting, I asked muh boyfriend who's also French and he told me what I told you.

Btw, I got curious and looked up PornMD's statistics for each country and all Anglophone countries had Asian and Japanese in the Top 10, France had only Hentai in their Top 10 but other titles like French.. ect

No. 60564

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>>60563

Sorry I am legit derping hard on my reading comprehension right now

in >>60558 are you saying that french people are less cringy/obssessive weebs? Just trying to clarify

No. 60566

>>60564

kek
Pretty much

No. 60567

>>60566

Okay yes, thank you.

Maybe french weebs being more "classier" than american weebs has something to do with more overall social cultures and constructs. But to be honest I don't know much about French culture so I couldnt really contrast the two.

No. 60570

Japan is economically strong (and in a sense so is China and, of course, Korea) - they're already on the spotlight just from that. Then there's also the fact that japan has a strong pop culture (namely, anime and all things surrounding it), and mainstream culture at/after the 70s and 80s is pretty much pop culture. With the internet it became too easy to consume cultural products from someplace else, connect, see how another culture works (so we get cons and stuff).

Japan, anime and j-music took the spotlight; China is similar and closeby enough to be noticed. Only now is Korea "catching up" with the pop bands and stuff. Japan for some reason has a high tolerance for weird outlandish shit, they end up being trendsetters.

Anime really is very big thing, it's the perfect recipe. It's cartoons, and "cute", so it appeals to children, but it has visual/artistic technique (Ghibli comes to mind) and a lot of detail in comparison to western cartoons; also, depth and plots more complicated than "stupid-cat-runs-after-mouse-and-gets-fucked" create a dedicated fanbase.

I'm a humanities major I'm sorry
If anyone has any papers on this I'd love to read them

No. 60571

I've been to Japan and it feels like it's own little bubble of awesome. I love the current fashion and makeup trends they have.

No. 60575

>>60571

I have an obsession with MENA and Central Asia the same weebs love East Asia.

I wish more people were like me.

No. 60576

>>60570
>plots more complicated than "stupid-cat-runs-after-mouse-and-gets-fucked"
I wish complicated plots would come back. It's almost impossible to find animes that aren't moebait anymore.

No. 60581

>>60576

This, most anime is shit these days.
I'm not sure if I can even count more than 20 truly brilliant anime these days…

No. 60583

Japan just seems like a really nice place to visit.
Because it's very difficult for citizens to own firearms and there isn't a lot of substance abuse

>>60558
When it comes to manga popularity France is pretty much 2nd after Japan. They usually get really good guests at their art and anime conventions, and since there's so much artwork in museums in France some mangaka probably go there for research purposes. I think Japan has a lot of Ouiaboos too but it was more apparent in the seventies.

No. 60587

>>60575
Lol that's really random anon. Do you have a MENA fetish? I have an East Asian fetish.

No. 60588

>>60581
Are you able to select from a wide variety of anime? Because when I was a kid and a fag about stealing and getting arrested for online shit, I made my bf download the shit and he was always getting them off sites that sub only a couple of popular animes. Just going and seeing an anime/manga shop was overwhelming selection wise.

No. 60593

>>60587

Yes, my MENA fetish is too strong..
Unfortunately people find this worrying.. in an extreme danger way.. not in a "she's just a weirdo" way

No. 60600

>>60593
Whut. Go on………
Why is it dangerous?

No. 60603

>>60600

They think because I like MENA this means I want to be a terrorist, become a radical, or that traveling or talking to anyone from those countries is extremely dangerous because of the potential they may be radicals.

MENA cultures are just so fascinating to me, and so are the people, the music, the customs.. ect.. its in the same planet as us but its so different from America and its so exotic and fascinating..

I never really liked how America was so urban and had a lot of cities so it just lost its sense of history, fruitfulness, and even sensuality

Something is more beautiful about the Eastern rural lives or foreign towns without rampant secularism and being in the pop media culture center all the time

Sorry for rambling

Why do you like Eastern Asia?

No. 60612

>>60576
I agree. I rarely watch anime anymore because most of it is moe garbage.

No. 60686

Most people find asians weird looking and make fun of their food(they eat dog lol) but weebs and social outcasts like them i guess

No. 60689

It really isn't that mainstream. Your average person knows nothing about Asia besides chinese food, sushi, and pokemon. This is confirmation bias at work. If you're on lolcow, you most likely came here from /cgl/, you're familiar with cosplay/anime/weeaboos, and from your perspective it seems like everyone around you now is fascinated with asia and asians.

It is more popular than it was 5 years ago, but this new obsession is limited to weeaboos and people into anime, k-pop and internet culture.

>I feel like this weird phenomena is also related to the high levels of "yellow fever" in white, Western men we see today.


Nah, this isn't a "today" thing. Men have had a fetish for Asian women since we were involved with Asian countries in the early 20th century. Madame Butterfly is about an American solider taking on a Japanese wife and that was written in 1898. Men just like having something new to stick their dicks in, and Japanese women are attractive to them because they are "submissive" and small.

No. 60690

I guess people take fixation to a culture that is much different than their own. (Talking about America etc)

No. 60691

>>60686
>>60689
This. Where I live, most people have negative opinions about their looks and make jokes about their culture. Social outcasts and weebs love them because they think the women are kind, submissive, and cute mostly based on anime.
And remember that weebs and social outcasts are a majority online. The majority of people online and the majority of people in real life are extremely different in every aspect.

No. 60720

>>60689

But do you think as the older generation dies out and the younger generation comes in, that most people will have an idea about asia?

I will agree that a lot of my friends aren't hardcore weebs, but they've still watched/watch an anime or two from time to time.

No. 60729

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>>60544
I think you're looking too deep into this. Everyone else has already explained Japan and with Korea, it's roughly the same.

>K-pop is the reason most young people get to know Korea

>Or Korean dramas with its unrealistic plots and beautiful people
>Korean fashion is seen as cute and feminine
>The whole ulzzang fad, pic-related
>(Former) weeaboos are attracted to similar things out of Asia

They idealize K-pop idols and think Korean life is just like in fictional TV shows. So instead of anime, it's K-pop and K-dramas that become the entry point for people's interest in Korea.

No. 60734

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>>60561
>4chan still doesn't have HSTS

No. 60837

>>60720
But the older generation is what raised the younger generation. Unless the number of weebs start to outnumber the normies in the world, the majority of the public dgaf about asia and asians.

No. 60845

There's a thread on /trv/ (1065957) somewhat related to this topic and the Japanese phenomenon "Paris Syndrome." It's when someone travels to a country with high expectations and is massively disappointed when it turns out to be nothing like they imagined. Apparently it has a tendency to happen when Asians travel to Paris because it's a smelly migrant shithole and not the sweet couture city they expect it to be.

No. 60847

>>60544
It's a similar answer superficially to 'what's with east asia's obsession with the west? Particularly the UK, france and anything 'exotic'?' Or 'Why on earth do some teens obsess over russia and being russian?' or 'Why do americans have a boner for the UK?'

I'ts exotic and different. People like novelty. People like to imagine that there's some place far away that's very different to their boring lives and that perhaps in that place they'd be happier, if only for a moment.

If you want to focus on orientalism, read up on victorian japanophilia, where it all largely started in europe, after japan participated in the great exhibition people got curious etc etc

No. 60848

I have a question.

People often get obsessed with japan, south korea, the UK or even russia and india, but I've NEVER seen people obsessed with africa or being african. How come?

No. 60871

>>60848
Because most people are not attracted to niggers, and they lack culture to cause interest.

No. 60881

>>60848
They're obsessed with helping the poor blacks and writing books about their African experience. Does that count?

No. 60882

>>60848
Nobody wants to obsess over a violent regressive place.

No. 60884

>>60871
Africans have their own culture dumbass. And actual a lot of whites do visit Africa usually the ones stupid enough to leave the car and end up mauled by lions.

No. 60885

>>60882
Yup cause ISIS is just picking white people of the street in Eroupe. Also white Americans seem a bit obsessed with Mexico.

No. 60895

>>60848
Because from a middle-class, white american perspective, Africa is full of nothing but sand, AIDS and starving children on late night infomercials.

No. 60911

>>60895
>from a middle-class, white american perspective

I haaate how north americans always assume it's about them all the goddamn time. You do know europe, south america, the middle east, australia and asia exist too, right? You know russia is a place full of white people too right? And that the afore mentioned white people aren't middle class americans?

Oh and stop calling yourself a 'white american', you're north american technically. I imagine a 'white' chilean working class person doesn't need to 'check their privilege' or whatever it is you USA fucks do for fun apart from destabilising nations and then whining about it.

No. 60912

>>60911
quirl wut

No. 60914

>>60848
Do people who are obsessed with black Americans count? Because there's lots of those.

But there are still some, there's just dramatically fewer because comparatively its cultural output in terms of film, tv, music, and literature is very little and usually pretty bad. It also lacks the deep history and unique religious perspective that the Middle East, India, and East Asia have as well.

No. 60943

>>60911
I didn't call myself anything, what the hell are you going on about.

No. 60954

>>60914
>It also lacks the deep history
Generalizing a continent. You obviously don't know anything about Africa. Each country is different and had it's own history. You really shouldn't speak on things you're ignorant about.

No. 60956

>>60954

Ha, Africa has several different countries including Morocco, Sudan, Egypt, ect that certainly do have deep history and religious perspectives.

I agree that this person was very ignorant.

No. 60960

>>60914
I'm Senegalese and Eritrean I can assure you both cultures are different. You can't group all Asians or Europeans together so don't you dare group all Africans together.

No. 60962

>>60960

Libya is quite different from Ethopia, also.
Strong ignorance on Africa.

No. 60969

>>60954
Most of their histories are very boring compared to other countries in the world. There wasn't much written history or any major architectural accomplishments compared to other places. I don't think there's anything wrong with admitting certain places accomplished more and have more interesting histories. Australian aboriginals have a long history, but it's very boring and lacking compared to Chinese history.

I'm just giving an explanation as to why people are less interested compared to other places.

>>60956
When people say "Africa" they mean sub-saharan Africa not generally North Africa. They're very culturally different and have different histories anyways.

>>60960
I don't recall saying that all African cultures were the same, just that it they don't have much quality cultural output. Which I think is pretty undeniable.

No. 60971

>>60969
No you said Africa. You made no distinction which was a generalization. You lumped it all together.

Their history might be boring to you but not to everyone. European history is a lot more interesting that Asian history, which is my opinion.

It's okay that you don't care about Africa, why not just say that. There was no need to say that they don't have culture. Just say they don't have a history or culture that you care about.
>When people say "Africa" they mean sub-saharan Africa not generally North Africa. They're very culturally different and have different histories anyways.
None of the culture or histories are the same. If you go to one country in Africa it's going to offer a different culture than the next. Things from the food to traditional clothing are different. What's acceptable in one country might not be acceptable in the next. It's not a hard concept to understand.

No. 60973

>>60971
The person asked why people don't get as interested in Africa as other parts of the world, and I was giving examples as to possible reasons. The history is more boring relatively speaking to most people, which is a reason less are interested in it.

And I didn't say they had no culture or that all their cultures were the same either, I really don't know how you got that. I said they lacked cultural output and gave the specific examples of tv, film, literature, and music. I didn't even say they had no cultural output, just that it was lacking compared to other areas of the world in volume and quality.

I mean are you really going to tell me that any part of Africa has films or tv on par with Asia, Europe, or America? No. Do they have the pop industry of America or Korea? No. Do people read African literature? Again, no.

I think you're reacting emotionally to my post rather than thinking it through.

No. 60982

>>60847

>teens obsess over russia and being russian


this is a thing…? I didnt realize lmao. I've always had a soft spot for Russia since my ancestors are from Russia. But I was never born or raised there. But the country nowadays seems to be some crazy shit hole run by the mafia

No. 60983

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>>60956

I've been crazy obsessed with Egypt since I watched yugioh as a kid …

No. 60993

>>60956
The problem is that morocco sudan and egypt like to tie their identity to being islamic countries. A lot of them might even get offended at the assumption that they're 'african' even if they geographically are. They like to consider themselves middle eastern.

Black people in egypt get called 'slave'. Just like they do in saudi arabia, you thought "whitey" was racist, they've got nothing on muslims.

No. 60994

>>60983
The few nonshit countries in africa are that way because they're filled with middle easterners ethnically (egypt) or white people (south africa). Though the latter is changing and now SA is going to shit again.

No. 61065

>>60994
So the middle easterners going in Europe raping the women of there are just the wild bunch? The ones in Africa are decent, but the ones in Europe causing problems for Europeans aren't. People seem to pit middle easterners in Africa on a higher stander then the migrating to Europe I wonder why. The only middle easterners with any control over themselves are the ones in the UK.

No. 61095

>>60994

Theres literally nothing wrong with Christian African immigrants like Angolans, Copts, some Nigerians, ect. Faggot.
The Africans causing problems are Islamicizied/ Arabicizied or Muslim Arabs themselves


>>61065
at this point i think where da white wimminz at is a trope fitting more for arab men

No. 61098

>>61095
Anon these people aren't going to see the logic. They're stuck on the African = evil/dumb/savages mindset. You wasting your time. They have no interest in Africa and no nothing about Africans so they resort about to making ignorant comments. Just let them have it.

No. 61148

>>61098

I know, theyre faggots and people like that cant be changed.
Thought it was funny they said EGYPT was a non-shit African country I mean.. all the Egyptians said that place is shit and the government is a nightmare.. Holy hell topkek

No. 61151

>>61148
I mean compared to the rest it's not shit. At least egypt has some culture, a semblance of a stable economy and good tourism revenue

No. 61152

>>61098
show us all this amazing african culture then

challenge mode: try to name things that weren't direct results of colonisation, the middle eastern slave trade and don't involve smearing pig shit on the walls of your hut. Good luck.

No. 61181

>>61151

Nah, Egypt is unstable and it's full of repressed sexually frustrated men. Terrorism is also rising.

>>61152
Look it up you lazy cunt, we're not gonna play try to convince the racist lousy troll so we can waste more time.
Either stay on topic or get the fuck out of my thread.



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