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No. 59741

Let's discuss our thoughts on the Harry Potter books, movies, spinoffs, fandom, etc.

Inspired by discussion in the RIP Alan Rickman thread >>59378

No. 59742

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Harry Potter was my first real fandom, I read the books as a kid, and grew up with the movies. I used to be a diehard snape/slytherin fan.

Now though, the current fandom is obnoxious and tainted by tumblr. I hate how Remus/Sirius is considered canon, even though it doesn't make sense as a pairing. If anything, Sirius would have loved James.

But ~omg yAOI XD~ fans don't care about logic.

No. 59745

>>59742
You make me glad I'm not on tumblr. The branch of fandom you describe sounds bizarre.

That said, people have been shipping Sirius/Remus for years–practically since the third book was released. It's never been a ship that I'm particularly interested in, but it predates tumblr. (As an aside, I read a fanfic once where James and Sirius were together behind Lily's back. I could see it being plausible, but I could see Sirius and Remus as being just as plausible, though never canon.)

No. 59747

>>59742
>he was ron and hermione's sperm donor

Welp. I think I've read enough of that.

No. 59750

>>59747
ikr? That list is weird as fuck, but besides that it isn't even remotely plausible–can you imagine any world where Ron would want anything else handmedown from Percy, especially sperm?

No. 59752

>>59742
Fuck, Charlie Weasley being canonically aro ace was not enough for them?

No. 59753

>>59745
Oh, I know it predates tumblr, I've been involved in Harry Potter fandom since the livejournal days.

No. 59759

>>59742
Sirius/James was my OTP during the neopets RP era.

No. 59765

>>59741
I grew up with Harry Potter, and always loved Remus and Narcissa. I used to ship Remus/Sirius but the tumblr fandom made me regret that. Christ, the tumblr fandom… It's been hell on earth since HP became "mainstream" again.
Also, Rowling is really overrated. Her writing skills are regular, and Hermione is a Mary Sue (and white). Another thing: Rowling is trying so hard to stay relevant she'll sell her own characters and their characteristics just to win some progressive brownie points.

No. 59777

>>59765
As a writer, JK is overrated as fuck, but she had a really good idea and created a cool world. I'm a bit disappointed since it's so difficult to get through the first couple of books, the writing is so subpar. You could really see her growth as an author over the course of the series. It was painfully obvious how much better she'd gotten in the last book when her more mature style was juxtaposed with the shoddily written epilogue.

I was a bit shocked when I read that apparently Hermione is black in Rowling's headcanon. Makes me glad I decided years ago that I would not seek out additional info she divulged in interviews and whatnot and that whatever isn't in the books is not canon.

I would be interested in purchasing and reading her series over again if she overhauled the entire thing, smoothed out the inconsistent writing style, foreshadowed the hallows earlier, and added in whatever headcanon stuff she wanted to add. Filling plot holes would be cool, too. I want to know what became of Sally-Anne.

No. 59795

>>59777

I reread the entire HP series very recently and actually I'm not at all that surprised she had such difficulties in getting it published in the first place. She didn't really understand how to utilise adjectives and adverbs properly, every chapter was loaded with shit like:

>Harry said

>Ron replied
>Hermione said
>Snape said
>Harry said
>Dumbledore replied

I want…. "Ron bristled", or "she stormed", or stuff like "the stranger finished, the beginnings of a wry smile slowly working creases into his otherwise taut face, giving the impression of a blank sheet of paper that had been folded many times over".

ffs FEED my imagination.

No. 59798

>>59777

Hermione isn't black in her headcanon, she even draw her being pretty white before books got published.
She is just trying to appeal to sjw( 90% of the fandom now) and make publicity about a new shitty play about Harry Potter with a black actress playing hermione

No. 59800

>>59798
I'm black and I never though of Hermione as being black. I honestly don't know why they insist on making someone in the main cast a POC. It literally does not shape her as a character and shouldn't effect them as people. Why didn't they latch on to someone like Cho or Padma? Hell make an OC and make them black it's not hard.

No. 59801

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>>59798
This. She is 100% bandwagoning as usual to market her sales and reputation. Just like when she decided to make Dumbledore gay as if it's really relevant. Pic related, why is she not shaded in like the dark clothing. She is le so progressive and hip!! XDDD

No. 59802

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>>59801
Heres rowling getting btfo on twitter. The characters are living in the UK in the 90s so it'd be safe to assume that they're white regardless except for characters that are given obvious ethnic names like cho chang

No. 59803

>>59795
Kudos to you for getting through it. While awaiting the sixth or seventh book to be publisbed I tried to go back and reread the series and I just could not get through the first book again. Could. Not.

On another note, since you've read them again recently, did you get a Roald Dahl-ish vibe from the over the top family shananigans in book 1? That's the one thing that struck me while I was trying to get through it again: I felt like I saw the direction she was meaning to go in and then she did an aboutface and the rest of her books calmed the fuck down on the family front.

No. 59804

>>59802
Eh, if she's trying to drum up money for a new product it makes more sense.

I don't live in the UK, but are you suggesting that no black people were living there at all in the '90s? This seems a bit extreme… or do you mean that a white author would just default to writing about white kids in that time and place?

No. 59808

>>59804
I dont mean that there were none just that they're the minority in a european country so most people would assume that they're white characters. If you were reading a story taking place in china, you'd assume the characters were chinese instead of mexican, white, black, etc. right?
I also want to clarify that I don't want to start a race war in this thread. I just wish rowling would stick to her story instead of being hypocritical and hopping on whatever is trendy at the moment.

No. 59810

>>59800

This, and pretty solid evidence for Hermione not being black is that in every HP book if a character isn't white it's usually specified. If not they're white by default.

A lot of people on Tumblr also don't seem to realise that the Harry Potter universe in the first book begins in 1991 with Lily and James' death taking place in 1981, and the UK was nowhere near as ethnically diverse in the 80's-90's as it is today.

No. 59813

>>59804

"Ethnic minority and cultural groups account for 8% of the UK population:- Asian or Asian British = 50%, Black or Black British = 25%, Mixed Race = 15%, Chinese = 5%, Other = 5%"

2% of UK population in 2015, It was probably much lower in the 90's

No. 59817

>>59813
As an American when I think about the UK I literally think white. It's weird as I know an Indian Brit, a black Brit and a white Brit but I still default back to white.

There's Angelina Johnson. Her appearance was left pretty vague until the movies I think. In the movies she was portrayed by a black actress and her daughter was described as having dark skin like her mom. There tumblr you have you WOC. Can we leave the main caste alone?

No. 59821

>>59801
As someone who hates her recent shenanigans, I actually don't mind the gay Dumbledore thing. If I remember correctly, she only revealed it when she pulled aside the director and told him what's up because he wanted to include a scene about a woman Dumbledore used to love. I find that understandable if that's not how she sees her own character and it's also something that can be picked up in the books. She said she was stunned by the reaction and would have mentioned it sooner if she had known, and it started going to shit from there. The black Hermione thing is just total pandering with your pic as proof.

No. 59824

>>59817

Nah, we're multicultural and more accepting than the US tbh. UK doesn't care about colour it just hates immigrants and muslims.

No. 59834

>>59821
You pretty much summed up my feelings on gay!Dumbledore. I really don't mind that one so much since the info served a purpose.

No. 59837

>>59824
Actually it depends where in the US you go. Major cities are pretty progressive it's usually smaller rural areas that are racist.

No. 59838

>>59759
Sirius/James is my OTP period.


And honestly, JK needs to just quit while she's ahead. She's caving into SJW bullshit as stated in the Alan Rickman thread and I fear for her attempting to backpeddle and changing canon storylines to suit the agenda and get the jewcash.

No. 59840

>>59795
Agreed. She's a very mediocre writer and if the fandom hadn't picked up the books and made them popular, i dunno. I've read fanfiction with more depth than her writing. How did she even get the people to approach her for a movie license??

No. 59842

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>>59802
Oh, this back peddling cunt.

No. 59846

>>59840

Well it's true she is kind of shity as a writer, but the lore and the stories of the books are pretty good. At least for a children/teens book

No. 59854

>>59840
Most of the stilted writing wouldn't even be an issue with a movie adaptation. They could just show the action instead of telling about it.

I think a large chunk of the fandom came into existence purely because of the movieverse. A lot of people were introduced to the books through the movies. Thank god for the movies–they helped attract fans and so contributed to the most diverse and beautiful fandom I've ever had the pleasure being a part of.

>>59759
>>59838
I think it's interesting we have two James/Sirius fans in this thread already. I was always under the impression it wasn't a popular pairing. I never saw much media for it, but then I never went looking for it, either.

No. 59855

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>>59854
It's definitely not a popular pairing sadly. I'm a big fan of the marauders era parts of the books and the biggest pairing seems to be Remus and Sirius and James with Lily (obviously. haha. Lily is a qt, so I don't mind) but I love all the stories about Sirius running away from home and sleeping on James' couch, even after he and Lily were married. It's a cute bff pairing for me really. I only ever found fanart on Japanese websites oddly enough.

I agree with being part of the fandom. I got into it back in 2003 and will never regret it. Good times man. it was a fun ride.

No. 59869

>>59802
She's just saying shes okay with the idea, not that she originally meant for Hermoine to be white. She's pointing out that nothing in canon really disproves that theory.

The "white face" quote I always thought meant to show that she was scared, not that she was literally white.

No. 59870

>>59795
No. This is bad writing. When you constantly replace "said" with words like "bristled" or "stormed", you start making dialogue clunky. You should normally use said, except in special occasions.

You actually should eliminate dialogue tags all together.

links about this
http://kayedacus.com/2011/03/15/debunking-writing-myths-alwaysnever-use-said-dialogue-tags/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2015/12/02/teachers_banning_simple_words_like_said_is_a_bad_idea.html

Anyway, JK is no genius writer, but she did vastly improve between the first book and the last.

No. 59873

>>59870
Thank you.
I read that post and was wondering wtf they expected her to use in place of "said".

I read the HP books long before I got a feeling for writing techniques so I can't really judge (it's as if I hadn't read them at all) but this particular thing is not something to complain about in a book.

No. 59876

I don't understand the ruckus about this black hermionie thing? Hermionie is not real. She's a fictional character as in non-existant. Literally who gives a fuck if some black chick pretends to be her on stage?

No. 59903

>>59876
Of all places, the stage is well known for colorblind casting anyway.

No. 59908

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>>59903

She's just like I pictured Hermione in my head

No. 59913

>>59802
>rowling opening her mouth and contradicting her own books

ain't nothing new

she's truly a lolcow between writers

No. 59914

>>59908
loooooooooooool

Ugly af

No. 59922

>>59908
how's she gonna be hermione? she looks 45

No. 59924

>>59870

I'm not saying she should have replaced ALL of the "he saids/she saids", but she absolutely needed to cut down on them in the first and second book because that's literally all there was.

I think PoA was where she really began improving.

No. 59925

>>59913
What else has she done?

No. 59931

>>59925
Oh anon. Brace yourself:

I remember back in the days when she just had finished HP she was that kind of author who just couldn't shut up about her work to the point you couldn't take anything she said seriously anymore. She was almost like if she wanted to correct everything she didn't like about her books through interviews, and she was constantly giving "extra details" that no one needed to know in a very similar fashion she's doing now but more annoyingly. She fucked over many ships, Neville and Luna are an example (why? I don't understand why couldn't let people shit them in peace if she didn't specify it in the books). She also constantly attacked the fangirls of Draco and Tom Riddle too I think for liking them, saying stuff like Draco was never been a good person and he will never be, you probably heard about that tho. Oh! She also called the HarryxHermione shippers "naive" or some shit like that (i don't remember exactly what she said) for honestly thinking/wanting them to be together, all for years later saying that maybe Harry and Hermione didn't make such a bad couple as she used to think. That was the last year or maybe in 2014 I think.

What else…. Ah, there were also rumors about she took "inspiration" on various fanfiction for the last book, there was also the criticism about how the last book was the worst one and the disappoinment from fans but that's another story. Not to talk about how she "borrowed" various concepts from other books and movies to build Harry Potter. The Worst Witch, fantasy books about a magic school were the main character, a young witch who just has started school and finds an arrogant blonde classmate who becomes her rival and is hated by her tall, thin, and imposing potions professor, who is by the way the most feared teacher of all the school. She's backed up by the headmaster who's benevolent towards her and gets her out of trouble. Oh, and there is also that Troll film form the 80s where there is a young boy called Harry Potter who is brought to a hidden magical world by a witch and learns magic and stuff. There are more plagiarism claims against the series I think.

There was even the time she said that harry potter wasn't a fantasy series (top fucking kek) and Terry Pratchett, may he rest in peace, mocked her and her shitty attitude.

Does pottermore suddenly turned into some kind of buzzfeed count to?

Too much to count anon. Too much to count. I'm sure the more you look for, the more you'll find. The only thing I now for sure, is that my respect for her as a writer and an author is 0, and I wish she understood that fanfiction is what makes half of the fandom to give a shit about her series. And as such she that she would stop changing and distorting canon through pottermore and tweets.

No. 59932

>>59855
Damn I fucking love japanese fanart of HP. Specially from the marauders era.

No. 59984

I hate what Tumblr does to Luna

and I ship Luna and Draco don't judge pls
It was my first ship and it stayed with me

No. 59989

>>59984
What does tumblr do to Luna?

I could see Draco/Luna. Sounds like a sweet pairing.

No. 59991

>>59931
Then the whole non inclusion on LGB characters. What's the point of saying Dumbledore is gay etc years after the books series began if she didnt actually write about it.

No. 59992

>>59804
If Hogwarts was set in Scotland then it wouldn't seem that unusual to have no or very few students who were black.

No. 59994

>>59991
She did. He was badly in love with Grindelwald, and it was pivotal in him becoming more sympathetic towards muggles.

>>59992
Hogwarts takes students from the entire UK.

No. 59998

>>59994
It was hardly explicit, and that's what two measly characters out of an entire school. Where were the LGB students for example. She wasnt confident enough to write them in at the time so her talk afterwards seems cheap.

No. 60005

>>59998

>out of the entire school


We were never introduced to every character within the school so how can you make the statement that there were only two black students?

No. 60006

>>59998
Of course it wasn't explicit. The books were focused on Harry. He was hardly gonna know about Dumbledore's taste for grindelwald's ass. My teacher's never sat me down and told me about the dick they thirsted for. I agree about the lack of LGBT students though - they should have been pissy easy to write

No. 60009

>>59922
The play takes place in the future, they're all supposed to be in their 40s.

No. 60010

>>59984
Harry/Luna is my OTP

No. 60020

>>59777
>it's so difficult to get through the first couple of books
So does the writing get better by the third? I tried reading the books a couple years back and just couldn't get through the first one.

No. 60022

>>60010
Ugh I cant believe it didn't happen! Ginny is such a normie

No. 60024

>>60020
Yeah, it really does. PoA is actually enjoyable. If you have seen the first two films you'll be fine picking up at the third book. PoA was actually my favorite in the series. (All that said, you gotta keep in mind it's a kids' book, not a great work of literature, etc.)

No. 60025

>>60020

PoA was the book where JKR's writing made drastically noticeable improvements and took on a darker tone, and it only gets better from there.

The first two books are effectively children's books in both writing and tone, but the story alone makes up for it so I wouldn't give them a miss.

No. 60026

>>60022
My biggest issue with Ginny/Harry is that it came out of nowhere–one day she was his friend's little sister who used to have a girlhood crush on him and the next his chest monster was going wild for her. Maybe it's true that this is realistic, but as a reader I would've prefered more foreshadowing. Didn't help that the actors had zero chemistry in the movies.

No. 60028

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Man I remember thinking that Ginny's actress was so fucking dowdy and plain (and she was), but I just Googled her now and she's grown into quite the qt, although I'm positive she's had fillers in her lips.

Anybody looking forward to Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them?

No. 60030

>>60026
How is it realistic?

>>60028
You're being blinded by her makeup.
She's still average.

No. 60031

>>60030
I think she's been cute all along, just in a normal girl way, not anything special… Shame though Ginny's personality fell so flat in the movies and they took out a bunch of her best book moments that showed her athleticism, spunk, and willingness to get shit done

No. 60034

>>60028
That jaw…

I think she peaked a few years ago

No. 60037

>>59908
holyshit, is this real?! No. I'd imagine a qt black girl if anything– but fuck, this woman is hideous.

No. 60044

>>60009
That sounds like a horrible idea. Who the fuck wants to see their childhood characters all old and gross looking? i certainly don't. Not saying 40s is a very old age, however I don't want to see the HP characters that old.

No. 60045

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>>60010
ngl, I was rooting for this pairing. JK is a fucking idiot. Ginny is boring and has zero chemistry with Harry. Also, you dont date your best friend's little sister- that's REALLY weird. Besides, their relationship came out of nowhere.

Luna is best girl.

No. 60046

>>60030
I'm trying to give JKR the benefit of a dount, though Lord knows why since I'm so willing to call her out on other bullshit.

I can see a teenager falling into love/lust with his best friend's little sister. This seems realistic and not incredibly farfetched by itself. Hell, my own father has been in love with his BFF's little sister for years.

No. 60047

>>60024
>>60025
I'm so happy to meet others who like Prisoner of Azkaban best. It was also my favorite of the books.

No. 60048

>>60046
It's not realistic. trust me.

No. 60049

>>60028
I kind of feel bad for her. She's so plain and has nothing interesting going for her. damn.

No. 60052

>>60048
But I even mentioned my n=1 pathetic father carrying a torch for his friend's little sister for over 40 years. It can happen.

That said, I agree that this kind of attraction developing into an actual relationship isn't the expected course of events. I am not shocked by all the evil!Dumbledore stories where it turns out Harry's been fed love potions–I take solace in the fact that others are befuddled by this out of left field canon pairing, too.

No. 60053

>>60048
Happened to my parents.

No. 60055

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>>60046
>Hell, my own father has been in love with his BFF's little sister for years.


I second that it doesn't feel realistic. Being interested in anyone in a lower grade than yours in school is weird as hell.

No. 60056

>>60048
Harry Potter is far from being the only story where the protagonist falls for his best friends little sister. Its practically a cliche at this point.

No. 60057

>>60044
Because the play is focused on their children?

No. 60060

>>60056
Monica and Chandler.

No. 60061

>>60052
>>60053
Your parents probably talked and developed a relationship with their love interest instead of just randomly one day going crazy over someone you only had three conversations with.

No. 60063

I think the idea behind Ginny's romance with Harry was to provide a way for 'everyman' female readers to feel like they could actually have a romance with the protagonist if the opportunity presented itself.
The most interesting thing she ever did was get possessed by Tom Riddle's diary and get rescued by Harry.
Other than that, blaaaaghhh.
I thought the romance between Ron and Hermione was painfully forced, actually. She just didn't want to do the 'expected' thing and have Harry fall for Hermione.

No. 60064

I'd prefer if there was no romance in the books period. The fandom would actually benefit from it in the long run.

Besides, how many of us marry our high school sweethearts?

No. 60074

>>60064

Me actually, but I think I might be a unique case.

No. 60078

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>>59989
>http://prsphn.tumblr.com/post/105785094278/i-wondered-if-you-had-any-nonbinary-luna-lovegood
enjoy the cringe

Ah, so happy you think the ship sounds sweet. I owe the pairing many happy memories

No. 60099

>>60063
I agree honestly. Both relationships felt REALLY forced and to me, it felt shitty since I had two male friends growing up and it's seriously possible to just have guy friends and not want to fuck them and have them not want to fuck you- etc etc.

That being said, I could stomach Ron and Hermione more than I could Harry and Ginny. Harry and Ginny felt more like Harry x female self insert. Ugh

No. 60102

>>60099
I felt like Harry x Ginny was so shoehorned in. It felt like it came out of nowhere. I wasn't really a fan of Harry x Hermione either, I just saw the three of them as close friends. Like Ron x Hermione didn't bother me but I also didn't really care to see them get together either.

No. 60131

>>59846
I don't think she's a shitty writer. maybe it's because I'm not a native speaker but I read the books in my native language and in english twice, as a teenager and an adult. Rowling made me learn english because I couldn't wait for the translation of the fifth book to be published so I had to read it in english. I went from Ds to straight As and Bs - my english teacher couldn't believe what happened to me over the summer holidays. it really helped me except for the weird vocabulary that stuck with me like broom stock, cauldron, wand… not necessarily words you need in an english class.
anyway, I'm a student now and I've read more sophisticated classic writers but I still don't think she's bad. sure, her language is easy but it's a children's book, not James Joyce, so what do you expect. she's witty and able to make her readers cry and laugh and has an unique style. I really enjoy it.

No. 60132

>>59931
tbh all famous fantasy books are a good composition of other fantasy books and/or classic novels and movies. look at hunger games. art is always a rip off, people don't have original thoughts they only rearrange and refine stuff they've already seen.

No. 60134

Would anyone here actually recommend me to pick up the HP books/watch the movies nowadays? I've got a lot of friends who are deeply into HP and really wanna get me to watch/read it but from what I heard about the movies/books it sounds kinda meh. It feels like most of them hype it up from nostalgia alone and to be honest, I don't wanna waste my time with mediocre written books and movies

>>59931
OT but Terry Pratchett was the man, I loved him.
R.I.P.

No. 60136

>>60134
Watching a single movie is not a huge investment. Watch the first movie and see how you like it. The series does get more complex as it goes on, but if you hate the first movie there's no point in continuing.

I was one of the anons saying the first book was difficult to read again. I would not recommend the first book over the first movie to someone on the fence about giving it a shot, though if you enjoy the movies I do generally recommend you read the books.

It is difficult for me to judge HP strictly on its own merits. I grew up reading and watching HP; we have a long and involved history.

No. 60142

>>60131
>James Joyce
D-do you read his works unironically?

No. 60148

>>60131

Perhaps not vocabulary you need but just as valuable :) (good job btw)

No. 60149

>>60136
>>60132

Uh, please don't tell her to watch the movies, they're dreadful (aside from PoA that one was good).

The books are magnificent and I would personally highly recommend them to anybody who's yet to become involved in the HP world.
I first read them when I was a kid but I reread them all again recently after not having read them for… well since the last one was released in 2007, so 9 years ago now, and I had MARVELLOUS time going through them again so I can promise you it's not nostalgia.

The thing is, the first one is so short you could slam your face into in and be done with it, but with each book they get progressively more engrossing and well-written. 1 and 2 are still very good, but they are more children's books still. Number 3,The Prisoner of Azkaban, is where it becomes a real page turner.

The HP series really is something special, hence why it captivated the world, and it would be a damn shame for you to miss out on something like that.
My boyfriend has never read them either and I actually pity him for what he's missed/missing out on.

No. 60156

>>59840

You're delusional. The obsessed lunatics in fandom didn't make her a great success, casual readers made her a great success.

So she's not a hugely skilled writer, so what? That doesn't mean she can't be hugely successful. All the conceited fucktards who were like MUH FANFIC IS DEEPER THAN JKR'S SHITTY WRITING!! were still in her sandbox playing with her toys, and probably are still living in their parents' basement. Pawn to Queen comes to mind.

No. 60161

>>60136
>but if you hate the first movie there's no point in continuing.
lol the first two films bored me to death but I enjoyed the third one.

>>60149
You sound like a retarded "source material is always superior"fag.

>>60156
>All the conceited fucktards who were like MUH FANFIC IS DEEPER THAN JKR'S SHITTY WRITING!! were still in her sandbox playing with her toys, and probably are still living in their parents' basement. Pawn to Queen comes to mind.
Not the guy you're replying to but how is this relevant? The thing being argued here is the writer's techniques, not the lore itself. It's not like those fanfic writers would instantly become shit at writing if they stopped writing for HP and switched to something else.

No. 60164

>>60156
Please be trolling. Also, I suspect you are >>60149

You really seem to be firmly deluded into thinking the massive criticism Rowling gets lacks of fundament and/or is based on some kind of grudge against her. And before you come to me with "the series are something special", I recognize Rowling's ability on worldbuilding and that she created a pretty consistent universe. However, she lacks the ability to build a consistent story around it and to translate it properly on paper, something that several fans did a lot better than her, and if you thing that's not true, you'll excuse me but you have been reading really shitty fics.

A great success? 50 shades of grey is also a great success. Twilight saga is also a great success. Both target pretty similar audience that has no deep knowledge on literature and not enough criteria to tell off a good story from a bad one. They are throwaway literature. I'm seriously surprised you are appealing on such a wasted, poor argument to back her up, sweetie.

In top of all of that you are using an ad hominem to attack fanfic writers and people who supports them. What if I tell you many fanfickers are aspiring writers and many of them I met (directly and indirectly) happened to be regular people with jobs and family? My literature teacher, someone with a career and that was hired by a serious school to teach us, read fanfiction. Many fanfic writers are not "teens who live in their parent basements" but adults who already made up their lives and fanfiction constitutes a hobby for them.

I'm curious, how many books have you read, dear? That are not nowadays best selling literature or fantasy series. And please, be honest.

No. 60168

>>60164
Do you happen to have any recommendations on books with good narrative techniques and interesting character conflicts?

No. 60177

>>60161

lol the movies ARE objectively shit and you have shit taste. Deal with it fag.

No. 60178

>>60164

Uh, what, I'm >>60149 and I haven't even mentioned fanfic anywhere in my post. I've never read a Harry Potter fanfic in my life what are you taking about.

I don't know who you think you're arguing with bit it isn't me.

No. 60185

>>60178
Then I apologize. Both posts were together and both were strongly defending the series so I thought of samefagging.

By the way, I can tell you like the series and must they must be really important for you. I apologize also if I exceeded a little on my post, I'm just a little tired of seeing hardcore Rowling fantards defending the series everywhere and I just wanted to have a good discussion using actual points instead of feels as argument. I don't share your opinion the books are well writen but I have to admit they are entertaining at least and as a kid you do enjoy them. Also, I have to admit Rowling has a great imagination.

>>60168
Oh man, can you read in Spanish? I have few in mind but I'm not entirely sure that it's been translated into English. Btw, have to warn you I'm no hardcore bookworm nor a literature expert, but when I get a book I like to enjoy it.

No. 60187

JKR should have just shut her mouth the minute the last book closed. Nearly everything shes been saying since then has just been ruining the magic.
Oh well. Can't wait for potter more to reveal that teddy lupin is autistic trans plantkin or something

>>59747
Does the person who wrote this list realize they're siblings? Because ew

No. 60188

>>60185

But I wasn't defending he series, I even admitted that the first two books were actually pretty shite in terms of the quality of writing lol, but thanks anyway.

No. 60342

>>60177
>you have shit taste
>says the person who enjoyed all of the HP books, including the first couple
jej

>>60185
>can you read in Spanish
Not at all.

No. 60344

>>60342

Of course I enjoyed them, I was like 7 when The Philosopher's Stone was first released, I fucking devoured that shit.
It doesn't mean that I can't look back and objectively declare the writing to be dreadful, but yes, as a 7 year old I heavily enjoyed the first book and its subsequent followup.

As some fag who probably only discovered the series once the films became popular I'm not surprised you consider them good as they were likely your gateway.

No. 60346

>>60344
>It doesn't mean that I can't look back and objectively declare the writing to be dreadful

>The books are magnificent and I would personally highly recommend them to anybody who's yet to become involved in the HP world.

>I first read them when I was a kid but I reread them all again recently after not having read them for… well since the last one was released in 2007, so 9 years ago now, and I had MARVELLOUS time going through them again so I can promise you it's not nostalgia.

LMAO

No. 60355

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just going to leave this here.

No. 60371

>>60346

>the first two are bad

>but I like the series as a whole and enjoyed reading it as a singular compendium

Sounds like somebody got dropped on their head a child :^)

Sage for shit taste.

No. 60385

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>>60371
>all this backpedaling

No. 60389

>>60385

kek there's absolutely zero backpedaling and you know it. Stop trying to wheedle out of your embarrassment by posting dated meme reactions. I'm just feeling sorry for you now.

No. 60392

>>60389
>there's absolutely zero backpedaling
oh my gawd I can't breathe

Want me to quote more?

>1 and 2 are still very good, but they are more children's books still.


I look forward to your next damage controlling shitpost.

No. 60410

>>60392

1 and 2 are good, but only as children books.
Compared to the rest of the series, which are adult in their themes, I consider them to be shit.
As a child I enjoyed.
Today they are difficult to get through.

Exactly what part of this are you not getting and why oh why are you being so absurdly aggressive about somebody not liking the first two books post formative years?

No. 60415

>>60142
I haven't read any of his works he was just the first famous British author who came into my mind.
And I just realized he's irish…

No. 60431

>>60168
I'm not the other anon but if you want a single well-written book that's kind of YA level try Watership Down. I originally read it as a teenager but I feel like it's one of those novels that has withstood time really well.

For books that focus on a conflict/bantz between a couple characters Herman Hesse has some good ones, like Narcissus & Goldmund or Demian.

No. 60896

Confession: I kinda hate the admin of hpfandom.net for holding the archive hostage and not allowing someone to help her admin or allow the many people who have volunteered help her move all the stories to AO3. She would rather the site go down forever than accept anybody's help with it and uses her MS as a crutch for why she won't make a decision about it. She's a selfish coward.

Headsup to anyone here who likes any story archived on HPF: she has said multiple times that once funding dries up that will be it and that we should backup anything we care about. I wouldn't be shocked if the site died in two minutes or two months from now.

No. 60940

>>60342
Not that anon, but books are ALWAYS better than movies. I have never seen an instance where the source material is somehow worse than the adaptations. The only time I maybe enjoyed a movie over a book is Hunger games: Mockingjay part 2, and that's mainly because they made Katniss a lot less of a whiney shit.

No. 60941

>>60355
This is so sad how accurate this would be.

No. 60948

Pretty mediocre books, but with an appealing setting. Reminds me of Naruto in that respect. Seems to be a gateway to shipping, yaoi and tumblr.

No. 60952

>>60168 >>60164
Dark Spring by Unica Zern, The Old Child by Jenny Erpenbeck, Threats by Amelia Gray. I picked all female writers just to challenge myself. Last one is weakest.

No. 60990

I don't really care if the books were badly written or the ending wonky and a bit boring. JK created a universe that was mesmerizing, made me write, draw and meet so many friends. I was also in the perfect age demographic so that helped immensely (teen during the last books so I had a ton of free time to roleplay)

It might be lame but no other book achieved that for me.

Fun fact, JK was pissed they translated the first book to "HP at the wizarding school" instead of the philosopher stone, but honestly the school was so much more fascinating to me than the stone. It could have been 7 books of Harry Potter and his gang doing jack shit and chilling in this awesome school and I would have gobbled it up.

>>60355
Sad but true. We kinda forced her hand with so many details too, the fans are a bit at faults for pushing for more after the end of the serie.
Except for gay Dumbledore, I'm not accepting anything she says now as canon.

No. 61012

>>60990


>JK was pissed they translated the first book to "HP at the wizarding school" instead of the philosopher stone


Eh? What country are you in, in the UK it's Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone

No. 61013

>>61012
Are you stupid? Of course it was. It was translated from British English. Anon is obviously in a non-English speaking country if they would need to translate it.

No. 61016

>>60078
Oh my god what did I just read

This isn't just bad because SJW crazy shit in my HP but also because her narrative is utter shit what do you fucking mean the door only appearead in gryffindor after they knew about it?, the gryff "cool kid" clearly was there already so if the new dormitory appeared for Luna it should have appeared for them as well.
Not to mention that this person missed the great chance to link the magic of the castle with the room of requirement, could have said dormitories appeared according to the "gender" the students thought they were.
And Ginny was the one Luna chose? That's fucking absurd, why not Neville or someone who'd actually be likely to hit up fellow gryffindors with such an 'ayyyyyyy lmao' sort of subject?
They also forgot how unlikely it'd be that after the loony luna thing anyone would listen to her and become interested in her shit. They didn't when it was about the stuff in her dad's magazine, why would they want to know now?

Fuck this bitch ass person, they're a shit storyteller.

No. 61022

>>61013

loooool that aggression, take an aspirin and plug it up you poor dear.

No. 61069

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>>61012
Yeah I didn't mention but it's the french ver.

Let's keep it light, I'm now more interested in how the books looked in other languages.

Just remembered now that on top of that Hermione is clearly white on all the covers so if JK wanted to keep it canon she could have said something then! I'm ok with a revisited black Hermione, I don't think it change anything in the storyline and on top of that it kinda fits (the fact that she's a mudblood, defends house elfs). But it's silly to pretend it's now canon just bc blacklivesmatter is trending. JK needs to lay off the social medias.

No. 61079

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>>61069
French version looks cool. Here's the cover from the USA.

No. 61081

>>61079
uhhh it looks like they spelt philosopher wrong

No. 61082

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>>61081

In the US they changed it to Sorcerer's Stone because they didn't think the average American child would know what a Philosopher was kek

This is the one we got on the UK first edition.

No. 61083

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>>61082

And on the back we had some generic, unidentified wizard.

No. 61084

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>>61083

Which was later changed to an illustration of Dumbledore that I loved.

No. 61086

>>61082
I was joshin anon, but still, if they keep using sorcerer instead of philosopher how will they ever learn?
>>61083
I thought that was supposed to be Quirrell?

No. 61088

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>>61084

And this is the cover we got in the UK for The Chamber of Secrets.
I never liked it as a kid, it's very Enid Blyton.

>>61086

No idea m8, but that's not really a turban and I don't remember Quirrell having facial hair in the books.

No. 61090

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>>61088

Fucking loved the cover for the UK Prisoner of Azkaban though omg.

No. 61092

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>>61090

On the back we had this lovely illustration of doggy Sirius too.

No. 61094

>>61083
I thought that was meant to be Nicholas Flamel or whatever the fuck he's called

No. 61096

>>61079
Idk, I don't think we were blessed with the best ones sadly. They mostly look like nothing much exciting is happening. Not much dynamics in the covers :(
The handpainted style fits the atmosphere though I guess.
http://www.laboiteverte.fr/les-couvertures-des-livres-harry-potter-par-pays/harry-potter-couverture-livre-13-07-french/

Germany probably has the ugliest of them all.
https://chasingtheturtle.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/harry-potter-covers-from-around-the-world-which-one-is-your-favorite/

No. 61100

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>>61094

You know, I think you might be right.

No. 61103

>>61090
>>61092
That's really badass. Love this cover!

>>61096
It seems odd that there were adult versions of the covers in some countries. Even if it has a different picture, surely an adult would get just as much ribbing for reading a children's book no matter what it looks like. If the different covers aren't about lessening public humiliation I don't see a point to them.

It's interesting to see the new American covers; I hadn't seen those before. I need to go get my original hardbacks from my parents'; these pictures are making me nostalgic.

No. 61117

>>60415
He's irish. That's pretty important, I don'y know how you could possibly know about him but not know he's from Ireland.

>>60142
Back to /lit/ with you, fart sniffer

No. 61140

>>60940
>but books are ALWAYS better than movies
Then we will have to disagree.

No. 61169

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>>61088
Art is not always accurate to character designs. Some of the American chapter illustrations gave Snape a pointy goatee, which I always hated.

No. 61172

>>60940
The entire Hunger Games film series is better than the book, Jurassic Park was way better as a movie than a book.

Silence of the Lambs, The Godfather, A Clockwork Orange, and The Shining are all considered to be better than their book counterparts. And most Stephen King adaptations as well.

But you also think Katniss was a "whiny shit" so your comprehension of fiction is basic at best.

No. 61185

>>61172
Agree with the rest but Katniss was indeed a whiny shit. In both the books and the movies.

No. 61186

>>61172

Katniss was a whiny shit lol

No. 61188

>>61172
Jurassic Park was only better as a movie in that it cut out all the science jargon/explanations that Michael Crichton peppered into the book. It explained more in depth, but it does get daunting.

No. 61222

>>61186
>>61185
She hardly ever whined in the movie, and in the books, we have to deal with her internal monologue, where she complains about how terrible her life is because it genuinely is.

Bella Swan is whiny. Ana Steele is whiny, but Katniss isn't whiny.

No. 61353

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>>61222
I can't remember the first two movies but from the first 20 minutes of mockingjay I've seen Katniss is definitely still a annoying whiny shit outside of her internal dialogue.

>where she complains about how terrible her life is because it genuinely is

A decent writer should be able to highlight the terribleness of a character's situation without making her complain all the damn time. No excuses here.

Overall the whole hunger games franchise is shit and the setting is pretty thoughtless. I cannot fathom why it's praised by adults. Watching JLaw's terribly acted, hysteric screams in the movies just makes me hate everything about it even more.

No. 61423

>>61353
Katniss barely speaks in the first 20 minutes of mockingjay part 1.

The books are badly written, no doubt about that, but the books are from a first person perspective, there is going to be a lot more tell and less show with that POV.

No. 61475

>>61081
They did. America is fucking stupid and thought american children had no idea what a philosopher stone was.

No. 61476

>>61069
>Hermione is white
kek

No. 61477

>>61186
Nah, she whined A LOT less in the last two movies compared to the third book.

No. 61569

>>61069 I am ok with the actress as well. It does kinda screw up the story a bit but not much. Rowling forgets all the begatting she did after the official books were done. She includes physical descriptions. She has also talked about the descriptions in places outside the books but they are still her words. Just a little consistency would be nice. Though this is not nearly as bad as the whole Dark Tower adaptation.

No. 61903

http://zetsubonna.tumblr.com/post/135760105920/please-stop

Can't be bothered to screencap it but someone talks about JP and black Hermione here.

No. 61917

>>61903
>Libtard shit

Into the trash it goes.

No. 93295

Glad I found this thread becauae I was about to make an HP thread… I'm getting pretty sick and tired of people in this fandom talking shit on Hufflepuff or just acting like they don't exist at all.

No. 93305

>>93295
I wish the Hufflepuffs had more characters to represent them in the book. Cedric was okay, but he didn't have much of a personality.

No. 93308

>>61903
>No, JKR was not fully aware of her white/straight/cis privilege at that time. She has had 20 years to get better.

Stopped after that line. jfc

No. 93314

>>93295
To be fair, they are kind of portrayed as the last choice house in the books. Heck, one sorting hat song has the hat describing the attributes that Gryffindor, Ravenclaw and Slytherin said they wanted in their houses, and Hufflepuff saying she'd take the rest and teach them all the same.

No. 93317

Why do so many people complain about black hermione and no one (at least not that I've heard) really complains about Cho Chang. "Cho" is a Korean name and I believe "Chang" can be either Korean or Chinese, but even if both names are Korean, it still doesn't make sense because Korean names are three syllables, not two. Cho Chang was basically JKR going "Hmm what sounds chinky….???" Also how Lavender Brown was cast as a black girl in the films because it was never specified in the books what race she was ("Her name is Brown so she's black right???") and then as soon as Lavender Brown became a more important character/love interest, JKR was like "oh she was supposed to be white this whole time" and she got recast as white lmao.

No. 93323

What's the deal with this 'new' Harry Potter book that's just been released that wasn't authored by JKR? Is it basically a fan fiction that got a publishing deal?

No. 93327

>>93317
I always side-eyed Cho Chang as well. Of course she had to be in Ravenclaw.

No. 93329

>>93314
>Hufflepuff takes in the wizards who don't belong in the other houses
I do think this is an admirable trait even though it gets translated as "lawl worst haus xD" in fandom.
It kind of reminds me of how shit plays out in the real world.
Fact is some people simply aren't stubbornly bold, witty, or ambitious. A balanced persona doesn't indicate a lack of wizardly talent or the ability to be likable (Cedric).
But let's face it: the "leaders," the "intellects," and the "antagonists" are far easier to write into compelling stories as opposed to painstakingly writing creative plots about otherwise agreeable wizards. I'm not huge into lore, but I don't recall Hufflepuffs ever starting shit with anybody?

No. 93333

>>93329
Agree. From the song, I always thought Hufflepuff is filled with kind, non-judgemental people, since they welcome anyone to their house.

Off topic, for some reason, I thought Dumbledore was a Hufflepuff, but then I found out he was sorted to Gryffindor. Like >>93305 said, kinda sad for Hufflepuff since they didn't have any prominent character to put their good traits in spotlight other than Cedric.

No. 93353

>>93317
There were tons of people complaining about Ching Chong's name. Google "cho chang name controversy".

No. 93357

>>93295
I'm a bit mad at JK for how she represented Hufflepuff. There's not a lot of positive so obviously nobody wants to be in that house (Anybody remembers old role-playing boards where it was so hard to get people into hufflepuff ?)

For once Helga wasn't strict with whom she'd teach, which is a good thing but I guess it paints the students in a bad light, sorta. Like nobody will really stand out from that house cause they're pretty average.

The mascot is kinda lame compared to a damn eagle, lion and snake. Plus Helga is sorta fat and known for food related charms, the house is next to the kitchens and the name sounds like a fat kid trying to climb the magical stairs. So yeah Hufflepuff kids are average and associated with fatties.

I mean Ravenclaws look stuck-up and boring but at least they're nerdy kids and there's some potential.

No. 93373

>>93327
I feel like she could've fit in Hufflepuff too. Not all Asian kids are smart. It would've at least given that house a more… desireable representative. As it is, the only people who care at all for Hufflepuff are people obsessed with R. Patz.

No. 93374

>>93373
Well, not necessarily "desireable," I mean more like "present." Lol

No. 93384

>>61569
I think she is just backtracking in order to make her sound more tolerant. She had an opportunity at the time to write that prominent characters were black/gay/religious etc in order to make Hogwarts seem more diverse and realistic but she choose not to. She could have made students and Dumbledore gay in the text but she didn't, only after the last book was published she made such claims. She also said Remus Lupin was an Aids patient years after the book had been published too.

I wish she could just admit that her books aren't oh so progressive and representational, instead of lying years down the line.

No. 93385

>>93357
I agree with this. I actually had the same stereotypes about Hufflepuff until Pottermore sorted me into it and gave me the few paragraphs of info about Hufflepuff real positive traits, important people, and how great the common room sounds as well.

No. 93386

>>93384
I believe she said that Lupin was a metaphor for AIDS patients (the stigma he faced as a werewolf), not that he was one.

No. 93388

>>93384
>She had an opportunity at the time to write that prominent characters were black/gay/religious etc in order to make Hogwarts seem more diverse and realistic but she choose not to.

You have to keep in mind when these books were written though. The diversity a lot of people craved was mainly heard/responded to because of social media exploding, which only began gaining a lot of traction since a few years ago. The books and movies were basically done by then.

No. 93401

>>93384
I'm a lesbo and I agree with the poorly done people in color in the books but I don't mind the lack of LGBT people. Around 3% of the population is gay and I rarely met people who are so open about it. Even people I just meet, or classmates don't know about me being gay because it doesn't pop up in the conversation.
I think that the way she did it with Dumbledore was good because nobody judged him by his sexual orientation, if she did write that he had a romance with Grindelwald, people would have explained his quirks as a gay man quirks.

But she's so riding SJW dicks about all the other stuff. That's ok Jo, you weren't so inclusive years ago. Don't pretend you always imagined Hermione could be black when you drew her white.

SJW should be more tolerant of people who fucked up a bit years ago and changed.

No. 93463

>>93401
How is that fucking up? It's set years ago in England back when it was literally around 99% white. Why wouldn't she be English or at least from the UK?

No. 93468

>>93401

>I agree with the poorly done people in color in the books


Oh for fucks sake you guys don't fucking get it. The UK isn't America.
The first book was released in 1997 and the first year that Harry Potter attends Hogwarts is 1991. I was born in 1991 myself and the non-white ethnic populations in the UK was so fucking small that by the time I was talking the first time I saw a black man in a supermarket I turned to my mother and asked if he was a monster, and that was when I lived in a major city.

I'm getting sick and fucking tired of people holding every other country that isn't the US to their shitty melting-pot standards. Even today in some parts of the UK, towns and villages, especially in the North, seeing a black person walk down the street is a notable thing.

No. 93477

>>93327
Cho was the most boring, plain character next to Ginny. I sometimes forgot she even existed, especially next to Luna Lovegood, who is my favorite Ravenclaw resident.

No. 93478

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>>61169
Alan Rickman is the only way I can view Snape now, anyways.

No. 93479

>>93317
Cho Chang's name bothered me too. It's like JK couldn't google or research common asian names and figure out if Cho was supposed to be chinese or Korean. I'm surprised HP got so popular to be honest, all things considered, the writing isn't the best and there are tons of plotholes.

No. 93480

>>93384
She didn't need to write gay or religious characters though. And there were black characters in Gryffindor. Fred and George's friend was black, as well as one of the kids who hung out with Harry and Ron. I even remember two indian twin characters in the books. Shoehorning 'diversity' is bullshit too. And shoehorning religion into a fantasy type book is cause for trouble.

No. 93484

>>93384
>muh diversity
fucking yanks.

First of all, the books were published way way before the films were even made. Second, they were written way before they were published. 'Diversity' was not as forced in the UK as it is today, and there weren't many non-white people living there.

The only exception were small pockets of Caribbeans and a large Indian and Irish minority. It baffles me that everyone bawws about racism with the name Cho Chang but nobody mentions Seamus fucking Finnegan who was as big a caricature as any.

For reasons mentioned above Parvathi and Padma Patil were major characters in the books. Afaik, they weren't white and had normal names. At this point you're just looking for excuses to be offended which is annoying as fuck and you need to fuck off.

No. 93485

>>93477
Speaking of Ginny, I still don't understand why JK Rowling decide it's a good idea to pair her with Harry. All of their interaction feels really forced and awkward, not to mention too sudden, like it came out of nowhere. If anything, Luna-Harry seems more possible than Ginny-Harry.

No. 93487

>>93479
Reminds me of this article on the magic world around the world in Pottermore. Her writing has been slammed because of its poor research on Native American Navajo legend. I faintly remembered another article also talked about her poor research on the Japanese wizardry, heck, the magic school is called "Mahou Tokoro", which literally means "Place of Magic". A lot of people feel that "Mahou Tokoro" doesn't make sense either. If she meant "Place of Magic", it should be "Mahou no Tokoro". I'll link the articles when I found them.

No. 93488

>>93485
Pretty sure I remember reading an article where she mentioned that she regrets that now.

No. 93490

>>93488
I read that too, she said that she should pair him with Hermione, cmiiw.

No. 93492

>>93485
I don't care for/about the pairing at all (or any het ship in the series tbh), but I think Harry actually becoming part of the Weasley family for real is nice idea. Having him marry into it is the neatest, most obvious way to accomplish that and I guess it was easy enough to write into the story since Ginny was into him from the start.

No. 93494

>>93487
IIRC she literally refers to Native Americans as "the Native American community" which is complete nonsense and calls the skinwalker "the Native American skinwalker", I don't think she ever even properly attributes the skinwalker to Navajo legend.

No. 93510

>>93494
Who cares that she doesn't know the proper terminology. She's not an American and a world exists outside of your little burger-bubble you know.

No. 93512

>>93510
Her readers and fans care. Also, she's using myths and legend elements that is closely tied to Native Americans in her story, and apparently it's a sensitive material. And, "she's not an American" should not be an excuse for a world famous, highly influential author like her. I can understand if she lacks money and resources, but she's loaded now. She can travel and do proper research if she wants. Internet also exists at her disposals. She doesn't have any more excuses for her sloppy writing.

No. 93535

>>93468
I don't know where you even live, I'm not american, I had way more than 3 token PoC friends growing up and I'm older than you. And by poorly done I mean Cho Chang. How hard is it to research some proper asian name and backstory ? As a writer that's the least she could have done for god sake. Heck she put some efforts into finding french names that made sense but she can't do that outside of Europe.

>>93487
Exactly, when it came out I asked my bf for a quick translation and he was just like "Yeah that's kinda "The magic place"" and thought it was fan-made at first. He was baffled it was canon as he likes HP too and told me even he had more imagination than that.

No. 93540

>>93510
I care because there's a ton of misconceptions around Native American culture and I don't like people perpetuating them. Most Americans don't know that shit either. Outside of that, I just think it's stupid that she would put a ton of time and effort implementing Greek and Latin into her works and not take a few minutes of Googling to get Navajo legends straight.

No. 93545

>>93540
Maybe because Greco-Roman civilization is the root of a huge part of western culture?

I don't expect you, assuming you're Asian, to know who Scipio Africanus was, or where Roman and Common Law came from and their importance to the western world, or who Augustus Caesar was, or how important the Battle of Tours was. So why do you expect a westerner to be so well versed on non-western cultures?

Be reasonable. Plenty of Japanese authors write about the west with absolutely zero knowledge of western culture, historically speaking, that's fine to me.

>>93535
>I had way more than 3 token PoC friends growing up and I'm older than you.

Are you white? You seem sort of self-hating sis. All this stuff about your Japanese boyfriend and how awful white people are for not knowing about Japanese culture…

Also, the Latin in JKR's books is pig latin at best, coming from someone who understand the language. Likewise with the Greek.

No. 93562

>>93545
>Be reasonable.
I don't think it's unreasonable to ask an internationally recognized author to do minutes of research. Googling "skinwalker", clicking the Wikipedia link, and then reading the extremely short Wikipedia page would have told her plenty. Also I'm not Asian, I'm a westerner and I don't know anything about those things you mentioned, but if I were writing a story about them I'd research them.

No. 93565

>>93562
>white
>brags about how many non-white friends she has and berates others for not having enough
>has a non-white boyfriend
>uses terms like "PoC" unironically

I want tumblr to go.

lolcow was never meant to be a safe haven for you people.

>but if I were writing a story about them I'd research them.


JKR never wrote a story about anything other than a wizarding school in the UK with a side order of token non-whites. They were never the main focus.

Go fuck your tiny dicked boyfriend and leave the rest of us in peace, thx.

No. 93566

>>93562
It's a story written by an English woman, set in an England, and is about English characters. If that's so horrible and racist you shouldn't be "culturally appropriating" the language made by, for, and named after those evil white Englishmen in the first place.

This isn't a "safe space" for tumblrinas. If anything it's a "safe place" for evil racist bullies and those other people tumblr hates.

No. 93576

>>93566
Didn't say anything about cultural appropriation and I'm pretty well aware this isn't a safe space lol. I never even called her racist. I don't think she was rubbing her hands together with glee going "I'LL SHOW THOSE PRAIRIE NIGGERS" lol I just think she's lazy.

>>93565
>JKR never wrote a story about anything other than a wizarding school in the UK with a side order of token non-whites. They were never the main focus.
I was talking about the whole "History of Magic in North America" thing that she did for Pottermore. So yeah, she did write about things other than British wizards, in which Americans and Native Americans were the focus. I wasn't talking about the main 7 novels.

No. 93595

>>93566
Hogwarts was set in Scotland though, as were most of the school time locations. If you are aware of Scottish mythology, it makes sense as many Scottish beasts and legends were appropriated in the Harry Potter series.

No. 93596

>>93484
I'm not America, and I completely agree that a school set in 1990s Scotland would not be racially diverse. The largest group on non whites would be Pakistani in origin, and white non British would be of Italian and Irish origin mostly.

The issue is now she claimed Hogwarts was this very diverse and representative haven in the Scottish highlands, yet failed to actually write any of that in her original books. To have a huge Jewish or Muslim community or African and non whites just doesn't match up with the demographics of that time here.

No. 93605

>>93565
I'm not even >>93562 but ok.

I never meant to say Jo should have done this or that, I've seen worse writing but also, their author are not THIS famous and rich. I tried to be understanding of Rowling because she started writing this when she was struggling financially so really I'm ok with the amount of PoC (what do you expect me to call them ? foreigners ?) at the beginning but Cho Chang appeared later when the books started gaining traction.
I'm pretty sure that by that time, she could have done some proper research.

I wouldn't even be as irked by that if she didn't try to make it so inclusive when it wasn't, just to pander to her fanbase years later. And despite all of this she still spites out "Place of Magic" as a school name ? Couldn't she take a week or two to research or call a japanese editor and ask for a list of cool names that made sense ?

No. 93607

>>93605
Call them non whites or foreigners, yes. No one cares about your self hatred.

No. 93611

>>93605
Is "Magic place" even that un p.c? I'm sure she made many errors in the original series, none of which took away from the plot. Honestly, the things she has published on her website aren't even popular, most die hard potter fans who waited up to get the books at midnight probably don't care that she translated one word poorly.

No. 93628

Remember that whatever JK picks as a name, translators will change it into something else. Like cho chang became zhang qiu in the Chinese version. So really JK is writing purely for an English speaking audience.

No. 93635

>>93605
HOW CAN SHE CALL HERSELF INCLUSIVE IF SHE NEVER INCLUDED A FURRY TRANS DEMISEXUAL CHARACTER??

No. 93638

>>93611
I don't think anon meant it's un pc. It just sounds bland and boring for a school name, like she couldn't be bothered to do actual research and just poppped in "magical place" in Google Translate. But who cares. I doubt the Japanese school is going to be mentioned/make an appearance in the upcoming HP movies.

No. 93650

>>93628
This is the most fundamental point mentioned thus far.

Translators almost always localize properly, even if the author did do her research, they'll change it to something "more suitable" or whatever that the translator or editing team feels is more appropriate.

No. 93652

>>93650
Wonder why they felt the need to change the title of The Philosopher's Stone to the "Sorcerer" for the American market?

The myth of the Philosopher's stone goes back to anciemt European history, and I think the name change is then surely just as worthy of criticism than Rowling mistranslating Japanese.

No. 93653

>>93652
Ie the difference between being an Alchemist who uses Science and Philoshopy to achieve the goal of creating a philosopher's stone is worlds apart from a sorcerer's reasoning and actions.

No. 93656

>>93650
Yeah, this. It's very odd that most translations suck, though, considering the attention to detail translators supposedly have. Hell, it's pretty fucking common for them to come up with ridiculous adaptations worse than a straight up literal translation.

No. 93680

>>93490
Harry and Hermione wouldn't make sense to me. Luna and Harry had legit chemistry. I like Hermione being the best friend and nothing more. Sick of the 'well, she's got a vagina, so she's the love interest.' Come on now, JK.

No. 93681

>>93510
People care because it's lazy. She has the time and elements to do research. I don't give a shit about people who arent native american writing about the legends, but do some proper fucking research. She's a hack author.

No. 93693

>>93635
Kek I remember how mad people got when she released Lupin's Pottermore biography a few years ago because it didn't confirm Lupin/Sirius. JKR needs to give less of a fuck

No. 93716

>>93681
Then don't buy it when it comes out. Simple as.

No. 93717

>>93693
I can sort of understand why though. She came out saying that Dumbledore was gay, but only after the book had been written so by confirming all of these other theories online would at least satisfy her fanbase and make up for her earlier mistakes.

All the supposed gay characters in Harry Potter end up being violently killed, are rejected by their families and in Lupin's case is portrayed as a scrawny AID's victim. It's lazy, obvious writing .

No. 93722

>>93680
Me too, I like the trio just the way they are; friends with no love lines. Buuut I'm not the author, so yeah…

No. 93758

>>93717
Do you support Lupin/Sirius?

>All the supposed gay characters in Harry Potter end up being violently killed, are rejected by their families and in Lupin's case is portrayed as a scrawny AID's victim

Supposed is subjective though. My Sirius/James shipping gay ass supposes a lot of things and this always felt like fake outrage to me. People are allowed to feel let down about their ships and their faves, but it is what it is.

No. 93875

>>93638
Imo it's a bit disappointing because she tried to give more personalised names to Hogwarts and Beauxbatons and then calls another school "Magic place". Especially considering that Japan is rich in myths, she could have tried to use one of the many folklore stories.
Japan already has a ton of school ghosts roaming around, if done right a HPxJapan combo would be spectacular.

>>93680
Totally agree for Harry/Luna. Luna has the creativity and positivity that Harry is sometimes lacking, and she also lost a parent. I feel that she was a good complement to his personnality while sharing the same struggles.


>>93758
Lol I knew Rowling would never pair them together so I wasn't really disappointed. I never really like the Hermione/Draco ships but I started to like Ginny/Draco. It would have been so fun to have a Malfoy in the Weasley family but again, Draco ended in a predictable and boring couple. I'm not even mad cause that fit his book personnality.

No. 93877

>>93875
You are such an insufferable weeb. No wonder you have a Japanese boyfriend. Go watch a shittily acted drama or something.

No. 93879


No. 93881

>>93877
> Durrhurr how can you be slightly disappointed by a poorly researched name
> Totally dated your bf based on his ethnicity

Yah it sure makes sense ! Thanks anon I never knew I watched drama or even anime for the matter, it's nice to learn more about myself. I guess I can't enjoy my own bf sharing his school legends with me, like the anatomical mannequin doing laps in the school at night.
It doesn't sound awesome at all and wouldn't be cool in a Harry Potter setting.

You're blowing this way out of proportion. The entire conversation I had with my boyfriend was lighthearted and funny given the shitty name. I found it was rather laughable how he complimented the nice artwork for a fanmade school.

No. 93889

>>93881
>it was just a coincidence

Every weeb claims this. Every single one.

No. 93899

>>93875
As far as the world of Draco pairings go, I thought LunaxDraco would've been cute and totally unexpected. Although, I knew it would NEVER happen and I like who she married in the end.

No. 93910


No. 93913

Regarding this whole "mashoutokoro" disaster, what makes it even sloppier is that whilst tokoro does indeed translate to 'place', it's primarily used in the abstract in order to describe a state or scene. None of it really makes any sense, but mahoubasho would have been more appropriate.

No. 93914

>>61082
don't think the average British child did either, but I soon found it. It wasn't exactly needed to understand and enjoy the book.
>>61083
yeah I figured it was flamel too. I love this cover

No. 93915

>>93914

I did, but to be fair only because I had a dandy book on ancient Greece that had a bit on Plato.

No. 93920

To be honest, Rowling herself ruined the fucking series for me. She needs to stop all of the pandering. HP could have been my favorite childhood series, instead, it's tainted by the author's SJW dick sucking.

No. 93922

You don't need to be a weeb to see that 'mahou tokoro' is pretty lazy. If she couldn't think of anything better herself then surely she could have asked someone else for ideas.

No. 93923

>>93922
This has already been explained. Translators localise foreign names, regardless of whether they're good.

No. 93925

>>93628
>Like cho chang became zhang qiu
The character used for zhang can also be romanized as chang.

No. 93926

>>93923
Just because translators will change it doesn't excuse her laziness.

No. 93940

>>93925
I completely forgot that, yeah 长 can also be "Chang".

I don't think actual Chinese people give a fuck. Most of the fob girls who liked Harry Potter were just quite happy Harry got paired up with a Chinese girl more than anything.

No. 93945

>>93889
Oh my gosh can we stop talking about this ? You want a japanese bf then fucking work in an embassy and get lucky, geez salty bitch. If I was a weeb I think I could have translated fucking magic place already.

>>93926
Also she's filthy rich. I'd be way more tolerant of this coming from people scraping by. Heck I'm ok with her plot holes and poor writing during the first few books because she didn't have half the time and ressources she got later.

>>93920
I don't even follow her twitter and disregard whatever crap she didn't include in the books. I'll still appreciate Harry Potter for the fun I had in my childhood but my appreciation for Rowling went downhill quite fast.

No. 93946

>>93945
>geez salty bitch

Not everyone here has yellow fever fam.

No. 96185

Now that JKR is milking that representation do you think she'll ever address the queer enigma of Lupin/Sirius, /b/?

No. 96194

>>93945
>I don't even follow her twitter and disregard whatever crap she didn't include in the books.
That's the way to go. I think it was super rude she started to add ~canon~ literally years later to the next gen taking into account all the fanon it's got and how fans love imagining the possible scenarios of the next gen.

>>96185
Nah. I'm still suspecting she did kill sirius to get rid of the ship because back in the days it had quite a fanbase. That's just fan speculation tho.

Maybe I'm speaking too soon and she does make it ~post canon~ to pander sjws and fujoshits.

No. 96203

>>93596
>The issue is now she claimed Hogwarts was this very diverse and representative haven in the Scottish highlands, yet failed to actually write any of that in her original books.

Class is more important in the UK than race. Hogwarts is extremely diverse in the fact that people at hogwarts very obviously come from different classes and on the whole the only characters who discriminate based on it are ones we're supposed to dislike. and obviously blood status is a massive metaphor.

No. 96204

>>59817
Angelina Johnson is obviously black in books. Pansy Parkinson teases her for having hair that "Looks like worms" i.e. Some kind of locs or braids.

No. 96228

>>96203
That's not true. In the UK like in the US neighborhoods stratify more by race than by class. The idea that classes have more in common than racial groups and their associate culture is just Marxist horseshit and has been disproven by history over and over again.

No. 96248

>>96228
I have to disagree. There are still areas within the UK, especially Scotland which are mostly white. People get defined by what area they are from ie a more poorer vs a middle class/wealthy area. Maybe in areas like London racism is more apparent but up north I would disagree with your claim.

No. 96258

>>96228
>Marxist horseshit
Mind the buzzwords

>disproven by history over and over again.

I'm genuinely interested, have you got a few good examples of it being disproven?

No. 96282

A while ago i was reading an article about harry potter on this site that has turned really sjw. And most comments were "snape is a evil nice guy" and "james was grew up and was good all along. I read in another thread that this is a kind of sjw thing were they hate ugly characters and put in their own narrative about evil but good looking characters.

No. 96296

>>96258
>I'm genuinely interested, have you got a few good examples of it being disproven?

The story of history is the story of ethnic conflict, not class conflict. Did Roman yeomen join together with Gallic farmers in order to fight their respective patricians? Likewise for Byzantine cataphractoi/peasant soldiers?

Just look at history objectively. Ethnicity trumps everything else 99% of the time.

>>96248
Within a homogeneous nation state, then yeah, there's localism/regionalism. I'm not denying there's class conflict and has been - what I'm denying is that this is more pronounced than ethnic conflict - which is patent bullshit. Muslims and Whites in Bradford and other Northern towns often have similarly deprived backgrounds, but they still live what the investigation after the riots some years back called "parallel lives", because they're just fundamentally different people culturally.

No. 96312

>>96282
It wasn't ONTD, was it? Also who on earth would classify James as good looking, like Marauders fandom (ughhh kek) wasn't remotely SJW back in the day but it was always ridiculous and Lupin/Sirius-centric.

No. 96383

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>>96312
God how much I miss the old good marauders fandom. Fucking tumblrinas took over it and turned it into their deluded ass wankfest.

And don't get me started on goddamn James. I swear to fucking god, it amazes and frightens me equally the mental gymnastics they use to twist the character into their ideal. Their James and canon James aren't even the same character anymore.

No. 96387

>>96296
I'm not saying ethnic conflict is trumped by class conflict absolutely, but only like 10% of the UK is not white. Class is more important in the UK simply because its more prevalent, and it's actually what acts as a discriminatory barrier over race 90% of the time. It's more important because it's what affects the most people.

No. 96394

>>96383
Wasn't James meant to be a bit of a prick, and because Harry has the typical "Hero complex" about his absent father that may give naive readers the wrong impression.

No. 96398

>>96312
>ONTD
Oh man, that place used to be great. The dramu was delicious. I can't stand it now.

Sage for OT.

No. 99884

>>96394
>>96312
>who on earth would classify James as good looking
James being very handsome is actually canonically described in the books, same goes for Sirius.
Furthermore he was indeed supposed to be kind of a prick and a popular kid who would bully Snape, but it's implied that he gets a lot milder as an adult.
Anyway, he's definetily not supposed to be this amazing, wise, altruistic guy, Harry just views him that was, partially because he never knew him and partially because Dumbledore told him about his father in a very positive light.

No. 99885

>>99884
OT but I think Rowling daying Dumbledore was gay was too unbelievable. Having Lupin and Sirius as being in a relationship would make more sense, and add more to the plot. Also I just realised that Harry must have been conceived straight after Lily and James left school.

No. 99886

>>99885
*saying

No. 99912

>>99885
Hoho there is a fan theory that says James and Lily had to get married this young because Harry was an accident. Not that I think it's actually canon at all kek, I remember they even explained in the books people married young those days because of the war, but I like having it as a possibility because it amuses a lot.

And agreed about wolfstar, I heard rumors that Rowling disliked slash ships back in the days and if that's true then making dumbledore gay was a pretty dirty move in order not to be called a homophobe imo.

No. 99915

>>99885
Yes, from the books (and my memory of reading them) it was heavily implied that James and Lily had Harry right after Hogwarts. It might even be that Lily got knocked up during their final year and left early.

>>99885

I'm a big fan of Sirius and James as a couple, even though I have no issue with the canon of Lily and James. imo, Harry's parents and their story is 100x more interesting than Harry himself. I always found him dull.

No. 99917

>>99912
>And agreed about wolfstar, I heard rumors that Rowling disliked slash ships back in the days and if that's true then making dumbledore gay was a pretty dirty move in order not to be called a homophobe imo.

I'd believe that. I'd believe that 100% since the entire 'dumbledore was actually gay all along!' came out of NOWHERE. As a gay woman, I don't expect to see a lot of gay people in mainstream fiction, however I can tell right away when a gay character or idea is being shoehorned in. JK is a cunt who is trying harder than ever to appeal to her sjw fans now, esp with the new book.

No. 99941

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>>99885
>>99915
Harry's parents always seemed to be the dullest characters tbh. Which is a shame, because I really wanted to know more about them!
Forgive me if I am wrong, I haven't read the books in ages. But how the hell did Lily and James even end up together? Wasn't James a total douchebag that Lily disliked? I always feel like we were somehow supposed to… Like Harry's parents? Yet I never got a single reason on why to like or even care much for them. Do we ever even get to know them besides vague information by mostly unliable characters?

Also how can people still like Snape and make excuses for him. RIP Alan Rickman but his character in the HP-universe was just a huge asshole to me, yet somehow everyone tries to convince me to like him for the same mysterious reasons as I am supposed to like Harry's parents.

No. 99942

>>99941
Thanks for posting that comic, anon, I had a sensible chuckle.

Come to think of it, the majority HP universe is really just Rowling flying by her coattails . Continuity can barely withstand a scrape.

No. 99943

>>59741
>the queer enigma of Lupin/Sirius

can somebody explain this to me bc I've never been one for shipping so this stuff flies past my head

No. 100011

>>99941
Snape loved Lily, James was a twat to Snape, Lily and James were murdered and because Snape loved Lily he vowed to always perotect Harry in the end dying for him. Snape was never a bad person, Harry was just an ungrateful fool.

No. 100012

>>99943
Someone has written an essay including quotes
http://elwing-alcyone.livejournal.com/11152.html

No. 100017

What do you gals think about black her hermoine? I wouldn't really care as long as it wasn't tied into the same universe/ the same hp story but just 10-15 years down the line. A white ginger doesn't magically turn black? but I guess it doesn't matter lol

No. 100020

>>100017
It doesn't matter, I can easily picture Hermione as being black. She isn't in canon though.
>>100011
Snape was a shit person overall actually but I'm still a fan of his.

No. 100021

>>100017
She's fucking ugly compared to Emma Watson, that's for sure.

No. 100022

>>100021
Hermione isn't supposed to be pretty though. Emma Watson was perfect as Hermione but they dolled her up far too much.

No. 100023

>>100022
Yeah but "not pretty" is different to "looks like a monkey".

No. 100024

I can remember the HP books from my school years, and I can remember the films from my teen/young adult years. Together with the LotR movies they're stand out memories of my "childhood" I guess.

Any other farmers in their mid-to-late 20s?

No. 100025

>>100017
In the book Rowling constantly mentioned if a character was non white. Being a Scottish school it would be assumed that any character not stated as being of colour would be white. It seems such a cop out for the new Hermione to be black, Rowling had a chance to have a leading female character being black but she choose to have H as white. Hermione was white from the originsl sketches in the 90s to the film casting.

No. 100026

>>100024
Yes, I was around for the publication of the original book series and it played a great part in primary school lessons and friendships. I even remember the original Harry Potter website before the films came out, it was based around the original UK illustrations from the 90s.

No. 100031

>>100026
>primary school

Damn anon, are you even older than me? I can remember the first book in maybe… year 7?

No. 100033


No. 100034

>>100033
Yeah scratch that, I was in year 4 or 5 when Philosopher's Stone was released.

No. 101937

>>100024
I'm 27. It was exciting to me that I was about the same age as the actors and actresses portraying Harry and his cohorts as the films were being released.

I began reading the books when I was eleven (my grandfather gave me the first three books for my birthday) and the series ended the year I graduated from high school.

It sounds silly, but my friends and I literally grew up with these characters. My best friend and I would go to the midnight book release parties, the midnight movie premieres, and spend countless hours discussing the series and what we thought would happen next. I can't ever read the first book again, but I'll always have a nostalgic fondness for HP.

No. 101952

>>101937
Yep. Same here.

I still watch a couple of them at Christmas.

I really, really hope it isn't all remade with a "diverse cast" 20-30 years from now…

No. 101953

>>59817
Weird. It's almost like Britain has been a dominantly white country until the last 30-40 years of its history.

No. 105455

Anyone in here wants to discuss the ridiculous new canon introduced by The Cursed Child?

No. 105521

>>105455
I refuse to accept it as canon

No. 105567

>>105455
I'm not familiar with its story, but as far as I'm concerned canon has been complete for years.

No. 105579

>>105455
Does anyone wanna regale us with a paraphrased version of the new canon?

No. 105679

>>105579
https://www.buzzfeed.com/eleanorbate/ron-and-hermione-and-the-cursed-child?utm_term=.nydBbzBP2#.ajmBnXB5y

Maybe they are talking about the Scorpious and Rose pairing? Wonder why they didn't include any gay characters though .

No. 105712

>>105679
No idiot, I was talking about the delphi thing among others (I heard they screwed the canon for timeturners using them to go back into the past and changing shit and stuff). Is there a canon daughter of Bellatrix and Voldemort? Jesus christ that's a fanfiction level of autism.

No. 105726

>>105712
She has blue silver hair, can fly and has a tattoo of the wings of an old bird of folklore on her back.

It's some hot topic teenage girls wet dream

No. 105730

>>105726
>that token black Hermione
>everything in that play
jesus christ stop

No. 105747

>>105726
She still has nothing on Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven way.

No. 105781

>>105679
Could be worse. I'd pay to see it if it were performed within a few hours drive from where I live.

The story reminds me of some of my favorite fics. I can't accept this as canon but it makes a nice what-if scenario.

No. 105784

>>105455
Almost everything about it feels like back tracking even though JK didn't necessarily write it. Also, why the fuck is Cedric so important all of a sudden?

No. 105803

>>105730
i think the story line is okay, black hermione is cool, I just don't get why someone else has written the book it just confuses me why an artist would have someone else represent your fucking golden contribution in life

No. 105814

I don't really mind the Cursed Child stuff. I'm a big fan of the author is dead but if it gets people talking about HP again I'm all for revisiting my love for the books. I was pretty active in fandom around 2005-11. I might fill this out later.

>Favourite male

>Favourite female
>Worst male
>Worst female
>Favourite pairing (doesn't have to be canon)
>Worst pairing
>Your house
>Any memories from fandom if active

No. 105816

>>105814
- Lupin
- Bellatrix Lestrange
- Harry Potter!
- Moaning Myrtle
- Lupin & Sirius
- Harry & Ginny
- Can't remember what the result of the old pre-film HP website Sorting Hat game was
- Too many years back to recall

No. 105884

>>105803
Ghost writing is pretty common, and though this isn't the case I imagine it's the same principle. JK is an OK writer but Harry Potter is way too big now to risk her screwing up (but seems like they managed to screw it up without her anyway).

I just don't get why they'd focus on Harry's children and bring Voldemort back when the books ended in such a nice, forever-and-ever-peaceful-amen way. A prequel focused on Snape, Lily and Petunia would be really nice, Rowling could expand on already loved characters and develop Snape's reasons to join the death eaters.
Hell, even showing Voldemort's life would be great. It's extremely unrealistic that after he was defeated for good nobody wrote his biography.

There are so many good ways to keep the series going, and they picked the worst of all.

No. 105886

>>105884
People have been begging for a Maraudeurs serie and she shits out Voldemort's daughter. I'm done.

We didn't even get to like the protagonists kids because they were introduced so late. I have no desire to get to know Scorpius or Rose and the whole play seems ridiculous.

No. 105888

>>105884
>>105884
Yes, in the films there were flashbacks to James, Snape, Voldermort in their youth so it would make sense to expand on this. It woukd have been interesting to see more of James, Lily, Snape, Sirius and Lupin in their youth before the war. Also their relationships in the books were seen through the eyes of a child Harry so they are a bit simplistic, hero worship etc a more mature representation would show Rowlings progression as an author rather than the "good" "evil" "friend "enemy" stereotypes that were the HP series

No. 105891

>>105814
>Favourite male
Snape
>Favourite female
McGonagal
>Worst male
Percy
>Worst female
Ginny
>Favourite pairing (doesn't have to be canon)
Draco Hermione or Luna Harry
>Worst pairing
Ginny Harry
>Your house
Hufflepuff
>Any memories from fandom if active
Sleeping in front of stores a bunch of times

No. 105904

>>105886
What would be compelling about a mauraders series? It would just be James, Sirius and Remus being dicks, playing quiddich and almost killing snape. We know how they die, there isn't any suspense or story worth telling.

>>105803
Because it's not a book, it is a script, and just because someone is an author doesn't mean they can be a playwright.

No. 106415

>>105814
>Favourite male
Snape
>Favourite female
Luna
>Worst male
Filch, Fletcher, or Percy, though they're all supposed to be unlikable characters at some point so…
>Worst female
Myrtle or Winky
>Favourite pairing (doesn't have to be canon)
Snape/Harry
Snape/Hermione
Harry/Tom Riddle
Harry/Voldemort
Harry/Voldemort/Tom Riddle
I like many more, but these are the ones I seek out regularly
>Worst pairing
Hagrid/Madame Maxime
>Your house
Hufflepuff
>Any memories from fandom if active
Favorite memories are the midnight book and movie premieres–so much fun.

>>105904
Re: Marauders: I used to think the same thing, but I recently read a great Sirius-adopts-Harry fic that shows snippets of an interesting backstory. I think it could be done well. I'd certainly love to see more of the young marauders from A Marauder's Plan by CatsAreCool.

No. 106447

>>105814
>Favourite male
Hagrid, Slughorn, Mr. Weasley

>Favourite female

Luna, Mrs. Weasley

>Worst male

Percy, Gilderoy Lockhart

>Worst female

Umbridge

>Favourite pairing (doesn't have to be canon)

Hagrid and Maxime. they were so cute together.

>Worst pairing

Ginny and Harry. it just didn't feel anything but forced.

>Your house

Hufflepuff

>Any memories from fandom if active

I'm not really in the fandom, but I liked the books, and whenever there's a Harry Potter programme at the library I volunteer at, I make sure my name is on the list to help out. We had a quidditch match at the library this past weekend and the kids loved it.

No. 106459

>>105891
>>106415
>>106447
>3 hufflepuffs
>on lolcows
>typical

No. 106462

I wish JKR would make a similar kind of announcement to the 2007 Dumbledore is gay one but for a trans character tbh. Wank would be great

>>106459
I'm a Slytherin

No. 106467

>>106462
I don't think a trans character would work. In 90s-early 00s Scotland where Hogwarts was set awareness of transgender issues would be non existent at a high school. Sex ed wouldn't have mentioned it either, therefore the only awareness of transgenderism would be to mock it and I doubt a child would be confident enough to be out or even be fully aware of their gender misidentity.

However having Lupin and Sirius as being gay would make more sense than the afterthought of having Dumbledore come out in my opinion.

No. 106477

>>106467
I'm not really saying it would work anon, I'm saying the wank would be funny and probably reminiscent of peak HP.

Also I'm more Sirius/James. Sirius was all over that guy for some reason.

No. 106481

>>105888
>a more mature representation…
Something Rowling would never do, because she's a dumb fuck and so is everyone who work with her. Teenagers are always the target audience for producers because they're impulsive and have no taste, besides being simpler to appeal to (teen problems are universal but adult ones not so much).
If that were so, she shouldn't stray too far from that.

But that's not the case here. With HP she should, because the older fans far outnumber the newer ones. It would be better to aim for this audience than to try and win the tumblr crowd's approval. That's an oversaturated market already.

And even being a stubborn fuck and pandering to tumblr, she could still do a better job at that. A secret cult that still stands by Voldemort's ideals à la post hitler nazis would be such a simple solution, and she could maintain the "teenagers fighting evil!" theme, PLUS the "Harry becomes an asshole" by creating a "harry doesn't want his children endangered like he was" and his kids mad over the hypocrisy.

I'm not even used to writing YA and I can still think of a thousand better ways to add stuff to HP.

>>105904
Shifting the focus from the Marauders to Snape, Lily and Petunia. Snape is a solid character already, we don't get to see how he became like that. She could show how Lily and James fell in love, their work as order of phoenix members, the order of phoenix in general, Neville's parents being tortured by Belatrix. Lighter bits showing the magical world pre-apocalypse (Triwizard tournaments, quidditch cups).
Gosh, she even has the perfect ending in the Potters death and Snape's attempt to save Lily, followed by his breakdown once she's dead.

Now I feel like worrying fanfics in all this.

No. 107097

>>105814
Talking about HP again is weird, I used to be super into the fandom before the 5th book was released, but now I'm kinda eh…
>Favourite male
Probably Hagrid, what a good person.
>Favourite female
McGonagall.
>Worst male
Sirius, never understood how people could like him.
>Worst female
Cho Chang was really unbearable as a character.
>Favourite pairing (doesn't have to be canon)
fuck man I shipped a lot back then but now it's just… lost to me.
>Worst pairing
Lupin/Sirius.
>Your house
Hufflepuff.
>Any memories from fandom if active
Raging wars on people who shipped Draco/Harry and when Tonks was introduced.

No. 107177

>>106462
what? dumbledore is gay?

No. 107178


No. 107179

>Favourite male
Draco
>Favourite female
McGonagall
>Worst male
Percy
>Worst female
Bellatrix
>Favourite pairing (doesn't have to be canon)
Drarry. not sorry.
>Worst pairing
Harry and Ginny
>Your house
Ravenclaw
>Any memories from fandom if active
just read all the books last month.

No. 107185

>Favourite male
Probably either Hagrid, or Snape tbh
>Favourite female
Professor McGonagall
>Worst male
I always thought Crabe and Goyle were garbage
>Worst female
Hermione, but honestly it's only because they always made her seem perfect and like she never had a single flaw
>Favourite pairing (doesn't have to be canon)
Luna and Ron
>Worst pairing
tbh Harry and Ginny always seemed a bit shit to me
>Your house
Slytherin when I did that weird HP website junk, but I would have picked it anyway tbh
>Any memories from fandom if active
Never really got into the fandom because it seemed a bit crazy.

I honestly recommend that people watch 'Wizard People, Dear Reader'. Probably one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen in relation to Harry Potter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_People,_Dear_Reader

No. 107195

>Favourite male
Dumbledore (in the books)
>Favourite female
Hermione
>Worst male
Harry Potter
>Worst female
Bellatrix
>Favourite pairing (doesn't have to be canon)
Luna x Draco (those beautiful silver babies)
>Worst pairing
Harry x Ginny or Ron x Hermione
>Your house
Ravenclaw, according to multiple tests, but I wouldn't mind being in Hufflepuff
>Any memories from fandom if active
This thread is my most recent participation in the HP fandom in a long time. I really used to love those Harry Potter musical youtube videos with the puppets. My cousin and I watched them together.

No. 107260

>>107185
Wizard People, Dear Reader sounds hilarious. Thanks for the rec.

No. 107262

>Favourite male
Ron
>Favourite female
Luna
>Worst male
Idk
>Worst female
Umbridge
>Favourite pairing (doesn't have to be canon)
Ron/hermione
>Worst pairing
Harry/hermione
>Your house
Hufflepuff
>Any memories from fandom if active
I used to love the HP forums. Especially the fanfiction section where you could apply to be part of a fic.

No. 107267

>>107260
Probably my favorite thing to ever come out of anything HP related. Really sucks that he never did the rest of them though. I would have died.

No. 107683

>>105814

>Favourite male

Sirius Black

>Favourite female

Luna lovegood

>Worst male

Harry potter

>Worst female

Ginny and Cho Chang

>Favourite pairing (doesn't have to be canon)

James x Lily and James x Sirius Black

>Worst pairing

Harry x Ginny

>Your house

Ravenclaw

>Any memories from fandom if active

I went to the midnight show for the last movie with my gf. We dressed up and on the metro ride, our entire train car was FILLED with HP fans, wearing bright colored house scarves. It was a lot of fun.

No. 107704

>>107683
I really love the idea of James/Lily with James/Sirius. I've only read a single fic with such a dynamic, but it really worked for me. It's amazing what a talented author can accomplish. Do you like James with both Lily and Sirius or either/or? Any recs for good fic either way?

No. 107706

i dont get why hermione didnt marry hagrid

No. 107718

>>107683
You sound cool but I looooathe James/Lily and generally don't fuck with James. I'm still into James/Sirius but only because it's a Sirius-centric ship. Sirius was head over heels for James kek.

No. 107764

I was never into the HP fandom, just enjoyed the books, but I'm glad it seems like the general consensus is that Ginny and Cho were terrible characters and Harry x Ginny was a terrible pairing. I really couldn't stand Ginny at all throughout the last 2 books. It's hilarious that tumblr will defend her to the death because ~slut shaming~

No. 108742

>>105814
>favorite male
Dumbledore because even though he is kind of a kooky old man he is also rather shady with how he handles Harry's whole chosen one thing. Draco because he deals with massive conflict especially around the last coupel books. He is a character that rose from the flatverse into pretty good tier.
>favorite female
Luna because she is quirky in a non-forced way and had good chemistry with Harry in particular which is hard as Harry has the personality of an angsty spoon. Hermione definitely grew on me as she aged, since she loses her annoying personality traits over time.
>worst male
Ron. I fucking despise this character. He is whiny, stupid, useless, and keeps distrusting his own two best friends. Harry was also kind of an insufferable protagonist to be inside the head of a lot of the time.
>worst female(s)
Ginny and Cho.
>favorite pairing
LunaXDraco HarryXHermione HarryXLuna HermioneXDraco
All these pairings have characters that could counterbalance each other. If successful, very different personalities can create a profound balance.
>your house
Ravenclaw (with Slytherin undertones)
>memories
Nah. I usually don't interact with Potter fans, I really don't enjoy fandoms in general.

No. 108743

>>108742
>coupel
I want to kill myself.
Sorry. I- I didn't proofread my post properly.



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