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No. 44930
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>>44925Here is my favorite comment from that subreddit
No. 44955
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Nothing is more pathetic than redpill women, tbh.
No. 44956
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>>44955Awesome tips for women who want to keep a nice, GOOD men.
No. 44991
>>44955I've read this before on reddit and it just comes across as something a guy would write.
>>44956This one specifies that it was written by a man. The first example was supposedly written by a woman.
No. 45054
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>>44955Oh god RPW.
The highest voted comment to pic related was essentially "give him more blowjobs and spoil him rotten"
No. 45077
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Oh shit, why have I never thought to make a thread about this?
The main sub r/theredpill isn't even about sexual strategy. I doubt a majority of the subscribers are even bothering to employ redpill strategies in real life. They just want a place to be reactionaries and hate on women. I think pic related sums up the whole movement pretty well.
You'd have to look in their smaller splinter subs like r/asktrp for
actual non-bullshit real life anecdotes. There are some pretty cringey and hilarious finds when they're not making shit up trying to impress the community such as this one:
https://web.archive.org/web/20141111232833/http://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/2lydxn/mindfuck_with_ex/>>45075They also hate on virgin girls who won't put out for their sorry ass for having "prince Charming syndrome". No matter what you do as a woman, it's wrong.
No. 45084
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Another one of my favs. It summarizes my sentiments towards trp way more eloquently than I can ever hope to be
No. 45095
>>45094Me too but now I'm questioning whether it actually happened because it's just a tad
too satisfying. It's possible it's not actually a non-bullshit anecdote, but my point that the things you usually find on /r/asktrp are a bit different from the parent sub still stands.
No. 45285
>>45077
>They also hate on virgin girls who won't put out for their sorry ass for having "prince Charming syndrome". No matter what you do as a woman, it's wrong.It doesn't matter to them. Whether they are "holding out" or getting deep dicked by Chad every night, the point is, the aren't fucking redpillers.
It's kind of like a weird quip I heard once "A slut is a girl who will sleep with anyone; a bitch is a girl who will sleep with anyone but you".
No. 45290
>>45285I heard a similar ones but it was this:
"a bitch is how they vilify a woman who says no, a slut is how they vilify a woman that says 'yes'"
No. 45304
>>45301Actually, the replies were criticizing the hypocrisy and foundation of their beliefs for not being based in reality, but of course, as a typical redpiller with a victim complex, all you could read was "neckbeard neckbeard loser creepy".
Also
>women respond to anything they don't like by trying to socially shame itLol this is what 99% of redpillers do when they talk about "sluts". But when they do it, they're just ~in their anger phase~ and free from criticism.
>i don't give a fuck about it and never really even been there.Yeah ok
No. 45307
>>45304i'm a cis lesbian
i don't really care about redpill stuff just because it has nothing to do with my life
MRA is generally ok
most responses really truly are "virgin virgin virgin" tbh, straight women are obsessed with "keeping men in line" with this weird terror they seem to have about women calling them losers
No. 45365
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>>45301/pol/, get out. People are criticizing their arguments, you're just mad that you're being called out on your shit. If you need to build up a strawman for your opponent, then your argument is shit.
No. 45367
>>45311I know, LOL this
>>45301retard
anyone who believes this whole red pill shit is insane anyways btw
they are just crazy abusers who seek to be alpha, when they are all betas and sexist af
No. 45370
>>45365>People are criticizing their arguments,lol:
>>45301>the responses to them in this very thread, all of which are some variation of "pathetic losers virgins nerds haha pathetic manchild virgins lol virgins" or "they're criticising women, and that's bad, because criticising women is always bad!"cf.
>>45367>they are just crazy abusers who seek to be alpha, when they are all betas and sexist af>they are all betas and sexist afliterally only capable of understanding the issue in social-hierarchical terms
"these guys criticised me! they must want to be [socially superior in hierarchy] but in reality they are [socially inferior in hierarchy]! loser virgins and ipso facto incorrect!! silence them!"
it's just funny, this is exactly why misogyny is so reactionary, because straight bitches are fucking obsessed with their vaginas and the middling level of inherent worth they provide
No. 45377
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>>45376i am always where i want to be, because home is where the heart is
No. 45852
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a bit OT but r/purplepilldebate can be interesting if you like to discuss sexual dynamics/strategies
No. 45877
>>45370>because straight bitches are fucking obsessed with their vaginas and the middling level of inherent worth they provideprojection.jpg.
You're terrible at drawing conclusions. We call them bitter virgin neckbeards because they sound like one, type like one and think like one. See
>>45084I think the only one who's obsessed about vagoos in this thread is you.
No. 45935
>>45877no you call them bitter pathetic losers because of something called "circumstantial ad hominem," which is an attempt to dismiss an opponent's position by surmising an embarrassing or ulterior motive for holding it
this is also an ad baculum because you are coercing the person rather than actually discussing with them
but of course actual discussion isn't necessary when you, the self-appointed bestower of male social worth (i.e. confirmation of virility), can simply threaten to revoke it by ridiculing a guy's manhood
maybe it's wrong to say you're obsessed with your vagina; you are your vagina and nothing else
No. 45946
>>45935
>no you call them bitter pathetic losers because of something called "circumstantial ad hominem," which is an attempt to dismiss an opponent's position by surmising an embarrassing or ulterior motive for holding it>you are your vagina and nothing elsedat dialectical high ground
>but of course actual discussion isn't necessary when you, the self-appointed bestower of male social worth (i.e. confirmation of virility), can simply threaten to revoke it by ridiculing a guy's manhoodFor someone who knows so much about logical fallacies, you missed out on that strawman there.
But yeah, I'm sure that you're just telling it like it is and that we just can't handle the truth etc.
No. 45950
>>45935Maybe ignore the insults? The thread didn't even start off with debating yet there are plenty of posts ITT criticizing their beliefs for being hypocritical, why not address those instead of getting all
triggered because some people dared to call them a name? Redpillers regularly insult women by calling them evil sluts, whores, and bitches, but as soon as someone talks shit about them as well, it's how dare you call me a neckbeard and revoke my manhood!!!
Y'all are worse than tumblrinas, really.
No. 45961
>>45935I could understand if you felt the need to defend MRAs that were just being name called that had valid men's issues they were concerned with.. but the red pill people don't actually have good intentions.
You don't need to get all ~ weird sexual dynamic ~ about it, especially since no one here is actually interacting with any of TRP people.
No. 45964
>>45961i'm not defending anyone, really. i am just explaining to you why those types of guys, who are becoming massively more common on the internet and spreading like wildfire, are so reactionary, why they have the ideology they have and why they defend it with such venom. it's because they are acutely aware of the one trick of straight women, the ultimate one-trick pony: attempting to humiliate them by using your innate worth as a woman (the granter of sex, therefore virility, therefore status to men).
it's not a conscious strategy. that would actually be less insidious. it's unconsciously ingrained in straight women to see men as EITHER submitting to their whims OR in dire need of being called a virgin loser, who has a neckbeard, and lives with his mom, and who won't do well with the ladies with that attitude!!!
it's why they hate you. it's why they hate us. it's what fuels their entire thing. responding with yet more of it is just throwing yet more fuel on that fire.
>but the red pill people don't actually have good intentions.again, inability to see things except in terms of feelings and petty social gibberish ("they made me feel bad," "they're meanies").
"The passions of men have thus placed women on thrones, and, till mankind become more reasonable, it is to be feared that women will avail themselves of the power which they attain with the least exertion, and which is the most indisputable. They will smile,—yes, they will smile, though told that—
'In beauty's empire is no mean,
And woman, either slave or queen,
Is quickly scorn'd when not ador'd.'"
No. 45981
>>45935>mah logical fallaciesBecause this thread isn't an actual debate you fucking moron. Typical redditpiller shoehorning their
fallacy fallacy every time someone disses them. What do you want us to do, cite 50 peer reviewed papers just so we can complain about you?
>>45950This.
>>45964Really? They're humiliated because we're bitching about them on a board made up of 99% females of which roughly 0% of its content would they be interested in?
>it's why they hate you. it's why they hate us. it's what fuels their entire thing. responding with yet more of it is just throwing yet more fuel on that fire.Give me one good reason why I should give a single shit.
No. 45989
>>45981 i'm not saying that it's a formal debate, more that you are succumbing to a diseased way of thinking (coerce others rather than tolerate them or confront them ingenuously; interpret all criticisms of your behaviour as having ulterior motives; defend status quo and attack marginal ideas for its own sake), and that this thinking makes you an idiot and a bitch, and emboldens and augments the behaviour you apparently dislike
i am trying to educate you so you stop being a stupid bitch i hope it helps
>>45965WHO'S ASKING
No. 45990
>>45989You haven't told me anything I don't know already. I simply don't care.
For the record, my first post ITT was
>>45077. If you want a debate you can start by responding to that one.
No. 46000
>>45998
>women "hate" men>so men hate them backAnd this is women's fault, let alone a tu quoque?
I don't think you're getting what I'm saying.
No. 46003
>>45964>it's not a conscious strategy. that would actually be less insidious. it's unconsciously ingrained in straight women to see men as EITHER submitting to their whims OR in dire need of being called a virgin loser, who has a neckbeard, and lives with his mom, and who won't do well with the ladies with that attitude!!!Okay but
CTRL+F "loser"
>>45301>>45307>>45370>>45311>>45935>>44925>>45946>>44925>>45964>>45304 (this is in response to your post)
CTRL+F "virgin"
>>45077 (not calling THEM virgins, but pointing out that they attack virgin women for not sleeping with them)
>>45131 (showing disdain for the attitude described in the previous post)
>>45285 (also in regards to how they feel about virgin women)
>>45307>>45370>>45877 (in response to your post)
>>45964CTRL+F "neckbeard"
>>45304 (this is in response to your rhetoric rather than an "organic" insult toward anyone calling them a neckbeard)
>>45877 (this is, too)
>>45950 (and so is this)
>>45964Literally all you, except for those who are responding directly to you, and even then most of them aren't actually calling them any of those things. You're fucking retarded and just came to complain over nothing. Fuck your feelings.
No. 46004
>>46003Don't use reason, facts, or common sense, you'll
trigger the poor thing.
No. 46005
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>>46003Holy shit LOL
>>46004Basically this.
No. 46006
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>>46003AHAHAHAHA
Has anyone on lolcowchan ever been rekt this hard?
No. 46007
I'm
>>45961>>45964Anon.. first of all, I don't think there is any excuse to have a completely reactionary viewpoint, going either way. Calling women poisonous harpies or men basement dwelling virgins isn't going to get you anywhere and expand your world view.
Being bullied can fuck people up and many people are mean on the internet, which probably doesn't help a lot of people express themselves. However, I think it's wrong to say that women exclusively are the ones putting men down with this sexual/power dynamic when men are saying the exact same thing just as often. Name-calling someone a basement dweller/virgin is just as common as calling someone autistic or a faggot nowadays.
I understand men are in general more focused on sex and can get their feelings hurt/egos bruised (whatever you want to call it) a lot easier about it, specifically being rejected. I would say the 'nice guy' err.. trope.. is a very overused, but there are
some men that think they are entitled to sex and approach the world that way, probably more of them on TRP than normal.
There are plenty of lonely guys that aren't jerks about it though, don't think I'm saying there aren't. There are assholes in any category, but I'm not judging someone for being a virgin or living with their parents or something if they are nice.
>it's why they hate you. it's why they hate us. it's what fuels their entire thing. responding with yet more of it is just throwing yet more fuel on that fire.This is kind of weird, none of the red pill people hate me and none of the single guys I know hate me.. it's not exactly my fault if they hate me because I'm a woman but I doubt that's what you were saying.
I don't think criticizing TRP posts for sounding controlling is really putting down anyone either - a lot of them come off that way and I can't imagine people are misinterpreting it. I don't think anyone feels that being nice to your significant other or that a relationship does better when each person 'contributes 100%' are bullshit points, it's just that a lot of the red pill posts call for women to be subservient to the men and that is how to have a harmonious relationship. Some people do prefer that, but I think it's erroneous to say it works for everyone or that it's ideal because someone personally likes it.
>it's not a conscious strategy. that would actually be less insidious. it's unconsciously ingrained in straight women to see men as EITHER submitting to their whims OR in dire need of being called a virgin loser, who has a neckbeard, and lives with his mom, and who won't do well with the ladies with that attitude!!!I don't think this is true either. I mean, as usual I'm sure some people are like that, no one can argue no one does this. Also I think a lot of tumblr feminist kind of people act like this and probably engage with MRA and TRP groups and the interaction produces a lot of idiotic stereotypical crap. However, saying women unconsciously either see men as servants or gross virgins is a bit much.. I don't think that's very healthy for one, and is not normal. Like, my family is pretty balanced between women and men and my uncle married a crazy lady.. no one is happy about that, everyone would much rather he had not married a control freak. Basically, in my opinion, power dynamics in relationships are tricky and you have to be reasonable and invested in the relationship and not just trying to be in charge, but flexible and willing to compromise. Saying 'straight women are like __' and 'straight men are like ___' is again, not going to help you grow as a person and will probably not help someone get over their internal complexes, either.
I think some people are coming off aggressively toward the red pill posts in this thread but that doesn't mean the posts are above criticism, nor does being aggressive mean a point is automatically wrong. I also don't think it's objectively wrong to be aggressive toward something, but that is my own opinion. You can't say that being aggressive is unique here however, it is common on the internet.
I really do think that it is wrong to treat all men or all women as if they think the same - it's unfounded to say sex dictates such a large part of your personality. People can be raised badly or well, it's usually more important than what you were born with. It's better to approach someone to let them show you their personality rather than trying to fit them in a preconceived mold.
I have another remark which is that to my knowledge, no one from this thread has confronted any of TRP posters in any way, but you have said a few things that make it sound a bit like they are.
>>45989 I think TRP members are participating in a diseased way of thinking.. I really do agree that there are a lot of fucking idiots everywhere but that doesn't excuse formulating your whole life plan based on them. Wrongs never equal right, it's often no more than a justification for bad behavior. I don't agree with rampant SJWs either, even though I support equal rights and such and such. I don't think you have to identify as a feminist to want women to have rights and not be raped, and I don't think you have to identify as an MRA to want men to have rights and not get raped and have men's cancer have more awareness and funding etc etc but I am also not going to hate someone just because they publicly align with one of the groups. TRP however is full of people trying to stuff people into their worldview, whether they fit or not. I don't hate them, but I can think specific things they think are harmful to reinforce and incorrect. A lot of them complain about abusive women, and I do think abuse by women is not taken as seriously as it should be. There are often instances of law enforcement for example blowing things off when it doesn't fit their usual narrative. However, it is the internet and people do lie. It is not good to victim blame and if someone is being abused they need access to help, but it does take two to fight. If your gf hits you or slaps you, even with a low amount of force it will still hurt and is not ok and I believe you should leave her because you shouldn't be getting hit.
Basically, you shouldn't let people take advantage of you, but subscribing to the red pill ideology is poisonous. Not because it 'wakes men up' from their subjugation by women through sex (which I'm sure some people do need), but it reinforces a reactionary viewpoint and builds completely off of it, often using handpicked, anecdotal evidence.
No. 46016
>>46014>gets anally ravaged>i was just trolling this whole time guise lul kek XD xD u fell 4 it mmmmm sure ok
something something logical fallacy
No. 46020
>>46003an enumeration of the times someone said "you call people [_______] too much" isn't really relevant, unless that someone is actually talking about verbatim usage. like if i were complaining about saying "nigger" or something. but that would be absurd, since i'm explicitly NOT targeting the specific use of a specific word (and never was), but a general behaviour (social shaming). in this analogy, my target is racism, not the word "nigger" itself. the equivalent of this thread would be a bunch of racists packaging their racism in various ways, and you singling me out as the only person who actually said the n-word.
"LOL UR A VIRGIN" just epitomises the kneejerk dismissiveness based on sexually based social hierarchy enforcement.
>>46007i agree with you completely and i think you misunderstand me in thinking that i am defending them or their viewpoints. well, some of them are correct - the basic underlying attitude of dissolving their ingrained sycophancy toward vaginas is good, especially in this weird new sexual economy where sex is basically meaningless (and courtship ruthless as fuck). but in general i don't think their hostility is good or useful or even "deserved." just understandable.
>Name-calling someone a basement dweller/virgin is just as common as calling someone autistic or a faggot nowadays.this is where i really disagree with you and this is where i think the issue lies. my whole point is that these guys are lashing out so strongly and erecting venomous defenses against women because they are acutely aware of women's ability to obliterate them simply by saying "lel virgin" (oh no there it is again). this attitude is systemically distributed: watch carefully and you'll see women tend to focus in on how the men are "pathetic," "insecure," or a thousand other variants of weak, effeminate, not manly, invirile, etc. it's an ingrained, unconsciously instinct. straight women know how to leverage their sexual capital, or rather, instinctive behaviours which leverage their sexual capital have been naturally selected because they are efficient at promoting fitness. women who tend toward this cowing of any aggressor will tend to survive better and protect their positions in society better.
>I understand men are in general more focused on sex and can get their feelings hurt/egos bruised (whatever you want to call it) a lot easier about it, you probably think you do, but you are basically scratching the exposed surface of the male soul when you, as a woman, mention ANYTHING about his virility or potency or lack thereof.
paglia:
>Because of the nature of the penis, men have performance anxiety, whereas no woman ever has to prove herself in this way. So men's egos are totally involved in performance, in doing, achieving. >The male has to will his sexual authority before the woman who is a shadow of his mother and of all women. Failure and humiliation constantly wait in the wings. No woman has to prove herself a woman in the grim way a man has to prove himself a man. He must perform, or the show does not go on. Social convention is irrelevant. A flop is a flop. >A woman simply is, but a man must become. Masculinity is risky and elusive. It is achieved by a revolt from woman, and is confirmed only by other men. >Freud says, “Man fears that his strength will be taken from him by woman, dreads becoming infected with her femininity and then proving himself a weakling.” Masculinity must fight off effeminacy day by day. Woman and nature stand ever ready to reduce the male to boy and infant. norah vincent, a lesbian who masqueraded as a man and dated women:
>If you have never been sexually attracted to women, you will never quite understand the monumental power of female sexuality, except by proxy or in theory, nor will you quite know the immense advantage it gives us over men. Dating women as a man was a lesson in female power, and it made me, of all things, into a momentary misogynist, which I suppose was the best indicator that my experiment had worked. I saw my own sex from the other side, and I disliked women irrationally for a while because of it. I disliked their superiority, their accusatory smiles, their entitlement to choose or dash me with a fingertip, an execution so lazy, so effortless, it made the defeats and even the successes unbearably humiliating. Typical male power feels by comparison like a blunt instrument, its salvos and field strategies laughably remedial next to the damage a woman can do with a single cutting word: no.THIS DYNAMIC is at the crux of idiotic feminist-vs.-MRA discourse. this is why i say you have to be careful about reacting simply by emasculating - which most commonly takes seemingly benign forms, like "autistic" or just "socially unacceptable" (i.e. failure to "live up to" social propriety, to perform, to be upstanding, to be a real man). while we passively regurgitate our two million year old heritage of calling disobedient penises pathetic losers, a new generation of incredibly angry and often violent misogynists is being created, and the only response is to shame them further.
i agree with you on most things, at least in ideal. but seriously:
>However, saying women unconsciously either see men as servants or gross virgins is a bit much.. >it's unfounded to say sex dictates such a large part of your personality. i think a lot of the BEST and most useful critiques MRAs and especially PUAmisogynyfags contribute to feminist discourse are along these lines.
wollstonecraft:
>[T]he whole female sex are, till their character is formed, in the same condition as the rich: for they are born … with certain sexual privileges, and whilst they are gratuitously granted them, few will ever think of works of supererogation … what better way to remove that stultifying privilege than to cut it off at the source, by making men suspicious of horseshit chivalrous narratives? a woman who doesn't have a white knight licking her boots is a woman who develops agency. better a PUA than a beta male toady.
No. 46024
>>46021Careful Anon, you might
trigger him by calling him a mouthbreather
No. 46027
>>46025no that is quite stupid
it is not a game with tallies, anon. you can want western women to develop agency and stop being feckless materialists AND still dislike acid facebaths!
what a wonderful complex world we live in
No. 46032
>>46029damn that explains why you're on an internet forum on a friday night talking about them then
i can FEEL cancer being cured by your efficient prioritising!!
No. 46038
>>46037i think the real important thing is why you are so immensely upset about internet
should we get to the bottom of this
No. 46052
>>46020>"LOL UR A VIRGIN" just epitomises the kneejerk dismissiveness based on sexually based social hierarchy enforcementYeah, nah. No one enforced any form of sexual hierarchy, we're insulting them based on their retarded delusions disguised as logic.
No one called their sexual prowess into question even once or said they must be pathetic basement dwellers or whatever the fuck else you're accusing us of. Yes, stupid, insane people will be shamed and laughed at on anonymous forums from time to time. We laugh at crazy women, too (see: Tumblr threads).
Stop crying that we're "shaming" them (though they should be shamed, mental illness and psuedo-logic based on one's own personal anger should not be socially acceptable) or trying to stifle them just because they're not "slaves to the pussy!!1!!1!" or whatever your retarded argument is. Just fuck off already, you were proven wrong and exposed as a faggot.
If these people made even a lick of sense, this thread wouldn't be here. It just wouldn't.
No. 46067
>>46063Good point.
Here is my comment without the username:
I think trp can be a pretty harmful place for its members and its targets. In particular, I've kind of been following this guy around on reddit. his posts are fascinating, and I think he is the perfect example of how trp can really warp someone's mindview. This guy is seriously mentally ill, and found trp looking for help with socializing. Apparently he was kicked off of a forum in the past because of his obsessive shitposting. He latched onto trp and it has completely consumed his thoughts. He sometimes gets so into his rants, that it looks like he is cry-typing. He claims he was diagnosed with Aspergers and he is recently getting treatment. But psychologists have had a hard time treating his mental health because he believes that the world is controlled by the "female imperative". Why would a female doctor want to help him, if women naturally despise beta men, and only care about fucking Chad? According to trp, women are "the youngest teenager in the house", and are incapable of empathy or rational thought. This guy has so internalized these rp "truths", that he now literally thinks women are laughing at him in the streets. Once he learned about "hypergamy" he ran his gf off by constantly accusing her of cheating. He posts topics with titles like "Should we forcibly pressure beta males into seemingly changing their sexual preferences and expressing interest when they're not?" and "CMV: Every woman despises weak low status heterosexual men. Even Bluepill women. Even feminist women." In some of his posts, he has even said that he isn't even that interested in sex, he just wants respect and to not fear women anymore.
I think that trp can exasperate a person's already skewed perceptions (like the guy in my example above), while encouraging "debate" in a very aggressive echo chamber, along with many sets of rules/key figures. For certain people, I think it can create a kind of paranoid feedback loop, which can start to effect their day-to-day life.
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its apparent proof of how childish, entitled, and insecure males are.
top kek material for sure.
No. 46108
>>46101His thinking is completely black and white. The strangest thing for me is that he puts absolute faith in the anecdotes of some random trp blog, but any studies on human behaviour get thrown out the window because they have obvs been poisoned by the "female imperative" and they will actively work to turn him into a beta.
The more he reads trp, the less faith he has in the humanity of women, and the more faith he has in this "women naturally despise beta men" conspiracy theory. If you present a source that disproves his theory, and he notices it was performed by XYZ University, then DUH everything it says WOULD be the opposite of his theories…because the school system/modern medicine/psychology/etc want to turn him into a beta. The fact that the study disproved his theory PROVES that it is part of the female imperative!
All these absolutes are starting to feed his paranoia.
No. 46118
>>46067I think it was 'most responsible teenager in the house'
I agree with you though, it's not a healthy place. I think it really encourages paranoia to get people to believe their rhetoric easier. It's much easier to get people to join and stick with something if you tell them people are out to get them and etc, I think. SJWs do it too.
>>46101>>46108It might be easier for people with aspergers to get caught up in stuff, he doesn't sound too high functioning in the first place. I know some people with it and they are pretty nice though, they do care about people.. I don't think it's fair to generalize people that have a spectrum disorder.
On topic though, people really like looking for proof of their own opinions rather than what the evidence actually says.
>>46107Thanks for being responsible hehe
No. 46134
>>46118I agree totally.
This guy's Aspergers was undiagnosed for most of his life, but he knew he had issues socializing. The thing that makes me the most sad is that he found trp by asking questions on other forums, looking for help. He got trolled hard, but he has this "why would people lie to me?" naive attitude about him.
When you break it down, it is easy to see how he became so consumed by it: low social skills, undiagnosed mental illness (GAD), undiagnosed Aspergers, naive attitudes about sex, baggage from parent's messy divorce, history of disordered eating, persecution complex, bullying throughout childhood, and impulse control problems (he has posted about masturbating to the point of injury). It makes total sense to me that he has been so taken in by a philosophy that says "its them that's the problem! the system is stacked against you! They will try to hurt you, so let me teach you how to protect yourself!"
No. 46190
>>46167you always have a choice anon. not all of them deserve your pity.
>>46189rude
No. 46199
>>46167I feel sorry for them too, but not because "girls have an overwhelming advantage" in regards to dating. Women only have an advantage if you are so desperate for sex that you are willing to fuck any rando who hits you up. Yes, yes, okcupid poll, 80:20 ratios, blablabla, no. The IRL and online are different arenas, and if you are tempted to pull out the okcupid poll then make sure you understand that it isn't representative of the entire female popular on earth.
These red pill guys are looking for a formula; an absolute truth about women (I'm sorry, "plates") that will give them the upperhand in any scenario. That is impossible. General trends can be used to make predictions on behaviour, but individual differences throw a huge wrench in the mix. Have you ever read /r/marriedredpill? They believe that women become more attracted to their husbands if they believe he could leave them at any time. They call it "dread game". If you aren't getting what you want in your marriage, "inspire dread", and she will do whatever you want! All women want it, they just don't tell you they want it because of their brain hamsters. These guys are so wrapped up in their rhetoric that they believe that any woman, no matter what, will literally love their husbands more if they feel like they don't matter to him. That defies logic. Sure, maybe their wives will start being more attentive for a while, but only because they are probably confused and scared that their husband's behaviour has done a 180. That isn't love. But, if you are a weak person who is looking for a step-by-step formula to ensure success, then it sure looks like it is working. Their friends on TRP keep telling them what a good job they're doing. So, everything must be okay, right?
That's why I feel bad for them. Not because of their "disadvantage" in the dating game, but because of their obvious lack of confidence in who they are as people, that they think they need to "win" in any relationship that they will ever be in.
No. 46200
>>46192I'm so reluctant to post it again. When anon called me out, I was like "you know what, they're right". This guy is actually very sick. He gets trolled hard basically wherever he goes.
But I won't lie, with the info I've provided you could easily find him if you wanted to.
>>46195He has a certain level of infamy now. All of his posts are essays, and they are all batshit. He does hang out there a lot. If you think you know who he is, then you probably do.
No. 46214
>>46213This guy is pure neoreactionary buzzword bingo.
Just this one post looks like it's out of a random generator:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3rxve7/red_pill_sets_young_losers_up_for_failure/cwshj24
>blank slate fallacy narrative of ostensibly liberal Western society>TRP discusses the fact that women are also primitive animals because Feminism and cultural Marxism>dislikes our raw sex drives and the ramifications of this (women cannot respect betas/omegas, Briffault's Law, hypergamy>the politically correct 'gendered thing just hurt me, how did this happen?'>TRP stresses lift and women cheat on betas because Hypergamy Doesn't Care About Relational Equity, whatever the profs in the ivory tower try to tell you.It's like word salad.
Same for
https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3rljm5/does_trp_truly_use_science_to_paint_women_as/cwq32m2 and
https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3rn2ve/what_would_it_take_for_men_to_value_commitment_on/cwq1lg1 No. 46286
>>46266Maybe I don't understand redpillers but what is the endgame here? To make their wives their sex slaves? Why is he surprised that his wife has caught on that all he wants from her is sex? Obviously he doesn't give a fuck about companionship.
I think sex is important in relationships but if you're using the threat of divorce just to get your wife to blow you every night then your relationship already has an expiration date.
No. 46291
>>46286According to
https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/2lpafb/the_12_step_plan_of_dread_book_excerpt_from_my/"“Dread” is putting the fear or ‘dread’ in your wife that you have other opportunities and other options rather than being chained to her whims. They HATE it- or at least they will TELL you they hate it- but women are irresistibly attracted to men who have options. This is well known as "Secondary Selection" or "Pre-selection Bias.""
But according to TRP's glossary:
"Dread Game - Purposefully inciting jealousy in an LTR by openly getting attention from other women. Soft Dread is similar, but less open. With Soft Dread, the attention doesn't even need to be real. Creating the possibilty for female attention is enough to get the hamster going. (If you develop a great body, she knows that other women will find that attractive without having to actually see other women displaying interest.) The purpose of using Dread is to get the target (wife, girlfriend, plate) to step up their game to compete with other interested women."
it's pretty fucked up either way.
No. 46467
>>46420>>46423I think the worst part is that it sounds like the OP is slightly hesitant to treat his wife like complete garbage 24/7:
"Not arguing at all but more asking how to instill dread better given my morals to the point that it is effective without her only fear being nuclear."
But he doesn't seem to really like her at all:
"SMV aside I would rank us both as highly social and very good looking. I would rank myself higher due to social status though.
Her I would rank lower due to being a 35 year old mother of 3 and SAHM. While being easy on the eyes she also carries a lot of baggage so to speak."
And basically the only advice is given is to create more "dread". Just pourrrrr more gas on that fire.
No. 46491
>>46467People on that post were berating him for kissing her on the forehead and giving her cuddles. Some people want him to just rape her instead of respecting her wishes. And why do people keep bringing up hamsters? Is that a term for a female brain?
Are men so sex-starved that they need it 24/7? Its posts like this that make me afraid of getting married and having kids. It seems like all men care about is sex sex and more sex.
No. 46511
>>46501I just feel bad for the kids with these pieces of shits for fathers.
Not only do they have to witness them being assholes to their own moms, but they also have a dad who thinks of them as some sort of "handicap" in whatever sick mind game red pillers like to play. Growing up probably won't be easy for them.
No. 46527
>>46266>Also the mid bj halt was when we were drunk, it was 2am and she is the only one who feeds the child at night while I sleep through feedings and changings. I do realize this could be/probably is hamstering but I saw it coming, wasn't gonna cum easy and before she quit I threw my hands behind my head and just wanted to watch and see how long she would go.Fuck this guy.
>I have taken the comment about ruling out medical issues seriously from BPP due to a history of crazy as fuck anxiety she has taken meds for previously as well as hormones readjusting only 3 months after pregnancy as we speak.He knows she is hormonally out of whack and has crazy anxiety issues at baseline but is still all about the emotional manipulation to get his dick wet. Fuck this guy more.
>However; I also think my OI over the bj and how I handled it was fucking horrible. After reading your comments I realize I should have acted differently. I inadvertently and mistakenly praised her with the kiss in the forehead and that was a huge step back.Fuck this guy the most. Fuck TRP for enabling this. What a disgusting mental philosophy.
No. 46556
>>46550Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole point of the "dread" thing is to do a complete 180 of your personality and start inspiring fear in your wife/LTR with your sudden change?
Because if that is the case, these women may have not known that their husbands or boyfriends were shitbags to begin with.
Although I am personally hoping that the signs are obvious from the beginning so I don't make the mistake of having a relationship with one of these fuckers.
No. 46572
>>46554Exactly. If you browse around the Married Red Pill subreddit, you will start to notice that a lot of the posts start with a variation of "I swallowed the red pill a few weeks ago, and at first it was great. My wife was super attentive and was always available for sex. But now she's saying that she doesn't trust me, and she wants a separation/divorce! How do I pass this shit test?"
Some of them will even say that their marriages were perfect until they started using trp tactics. Now their wives are closed off, talking to lawyers, staying with their parents, or crying and asking why they are only wanted for sex.
No. 46573
>>46538No, from what I've read, they literally believe that it is in a woman's biological makeup to become aroused at the concept of their male partner being desired by other women. They believe that it shows evolutionary value (I could be passing my genes to ANYONE, but I have chosen you).
They think they have cracked the code to making women want them. They think they are playing into a woman's evolutionary drive, despite anything she might say or do. Because you can't trust what she say, you see! Because even she doesn't understand her biological urges. And her words and actions have been morphed through socialization to suit a feminized society.
So you could walk up to your spouse and say "Please, you have to stop treating me like garbage! I don't trust you anymore!" and they will think "ya but…you're still here. This is what you want at a DNA level."
No. 46605
>>46590>>46593Exactly. Plus (and this is the more sinister undercurrent of this philosophy), we have to remember that their goal isn't to spread their genes, it is to control their partner. Part of this "dread game" display of showing attention to other women, disappearing for hours on end, flirting with other in front of their spouse, etc is also to show them "look at how easy it would be for me to cheat on you. you better give me a reason to stick with you". Then, when the women start to be more attentive in reaction to the sudden change in their husbands' behaviour, the husbands think "see, it works! I demonstrated my value, and here she is, loving me more than ever!"
No. 46823
>>46605trp = abuses tactics 101
wow
No. 46852
>>46568Nope, her description is more correct.
>>46590>>46593Not defending TRP but you guys sound retarded. That's not how biology works in larger mammals and primates at all.
No. 46895
>>46827My theory is that it is a combo of unwarranted self-importance, thinking any discussion is a debate, and their own teachings.
They think they are the only ones who are seeing between the lines. They understand the secret to attraction. I think this makes them want to info-dump partly to be like "let me teach you the secrets to the world". Plus, if you're a chick, they think you are incapable of logic or reason, so they have double the incentive to really over explain to our simple female brains.
No. 46896
>>46823One blogger found an infographic with some markers of abusive behaviour, and wrote a blog on how ironic it was that he found it in a twitter hashtag (#WhyIStayed) for sharing stories of abusive relationships, when he found it to be a great list of things to do for a perfect relationship:
http://www.donotlink.com/framed?543653Some highlights:
"“not take her concerns seriously” — women love love love when a man charmingly patronizes them.
“say she caused it” — it may be unethical, but then why does it work so well?
“use jealousy to justify actions” — chicks do dig occasional flashes of jealousy, as long as it’s obvious the man is expressing them with complete control over his emotions.
“make her feel bad and guilty” — reframing.
“play mind games” — that’s one way to provoke a vaginal gusher.
“smash things” — occasional bursts of anger, when justified, are cues of sexy male dominance and they do turn on women.
“make her do illegal things” — the ghost of Bonnie chortled.
“threaten to leave her” — dread game."
No. 46932
>>46550I totally agree. If your partner is attracted to TRP ideas at all, they were probably losers to begin with.
>>46554Then you chose to date a beta lmao
No. 47957
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DAE read vox day, yarvin, sometimes heartiste and browse mpc forums just for fun? anyone? The brazenly honest perspectives are so hilarious and bizarre. Would recommend.
No. 47968
>>47957Yeah, I used to read heartiste. Guy is delusional and thinks Western society should go back to absolute rule by monarchy lel.
Sometimes I wonder if he actually believes what he writes, or if he is purposely trying to be edgy and inflammatory to pander to his redpill readers.
No. 47998
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>>47968whaa, I didn't know Weidmann was neoreactionary now?? At least he never endorsed a body politic beyond vague far-right notion of 'might is right' social darwinist conservatism.. I suppose it isn't that large of a transition from standard red pill right-libertarian to full NRx given the Tytler-cyclic trajectory RPers tend to take (despite the authoritarianism the latter entails- never lost on me, heh.) Admittedly, I don't read PUA as much due to obvious reasons.
>>47969HOW DARE YOU COME TO CANADA. dead.
No. 48005
>>47957>>47968i love hate reading red pill forums and shit. their conspiracy theories are insane.
like remember that governmentsgetgfs guy? he now is voluntarily unemployed, because he doesn't want to support the feminized government through taxes. He also believes that women hate men who have jobs, because a million years ago when he had a job, no one would fuck him. it is the train wreck that never ends, and I can't look away.
No. 48040
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>>48005Marjan, the croatian sensation, the legend of the loveshys. We were graced by his presence when he posted on his thread here. It was amazing. His foxdick thread was a fucking trip, too, with his deranged masochist poetry stylings. (We'll probably summon him eventually. He obsessively monitors mentions of his name.)
Have you ever browsed sluthate (or as it use to be known by, PUAhate)? marjan posts there. It is a panopticon of warped omega delusions and incel defeatism with a male model obsession thrown in the mix, kind of like a gay-er wizchan. Their experiment/troll threads are top tier, though.
No. 48050
>>48040I could write an essay on the homoeroticism found in sluthate.
Have you ever read about SH members who are plastic surgery addicts? Some of them believe in a sort of phrenology, and they are trying to correct their faces to the perfect proportions so they can stop being "subhuman".
They will obsess over the tiniest details of the dimensions of someone's face, and if they have a "protruded maxilla" or whatever the fuck, the comments are all "kill yourself subhuman". Like they will put their entire history of their lack of success with women and blame it on how their ears extend out. Thus, they are genetically inferior. And this obvs means that women will never even look at them.
No. 48429
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>>48040>how much a man smiles and laughs>how many friends he has>how many people want to be around himno shit, people want to date normies not elliot roger autists
No. 64510
>>44925God I hate feminism and everything SJW under the sun, but I loathe Redpill. They're too far the other way. Anyone who'd use that term unironically I'd have to block them like I would a raging SJW tumblr mess. It's like being conservative leaning and hating a radical liberal, but also hating your own radical right, because fuck insane sexists.
Regressives talk about "cit het male privilege", but Redpillers just talk about "wahh female privilege". It's almost funny how they lack self awareness when they chose a title like Redpill. They're just as sexist and entitled as the ones they bitch and moan about. Such is the life of a radical, though.
No. 64543
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>>64484Oh fuck, that's lovely.
No. 64590
>>64540I'm really confused how this guy managed to sleep with so many women. Over 40, really? But he looks like a creepy pedophile. Did he rape them? Was he lying? Honestly, I'm questioning what's going on in the mind of any woman who would sleep with such a deranged loser.
Here is the list of girls he slept with:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150409222813/https://holisticgame.wordpress.com/Also, I think if a girl wrote the same comments about her male sexual partners then no one would care.
tbh tho, I think a lot of the women who protested him probably would have slept with him earlier for some reason. Why, I have no idea. People here say they hate red pillers but would probably sleep with them anyways lol.
No. 64628
>>45852Purplepilldebate is hilarious. Some of my favorite paranoid redditors post there a lot.
Like the guy who thinks that even babies are hypergamous.
No. 64646
>>64625I've read them, yes. I think some of them are lying. However, I do think some of them are real, just not totally accurate. They got laid but not in the way they said they did.
I don't think all Red Pill guys are kissless neckbeard virgins. I actually met one Red Pill guy irl, he was pretty tall, decent look, and actually had a lot of girls over him because of his height. I don't think it's THAT hard to get laid as a guy, especially if you are decent looking and confident/asshole-ish.
No. 64649
>>64646I was with you until
>confident/asshole-ishYou don't need to be an asshole is get laid. Come on now.
No. 64650
>>64631Another fav PPD moment of mine was when some users were trying to figure out the ~sexual market place with math.
I really wish I could find the post. Fuck, it was great.
No. 64664
>>46020I actually read this whole thing and while you do make some interesting points, I'd still like to point out
>male ego is more fragile because men have performance anxiety>it's bad that women shame men the same way they shame other women because, unlike women, men have fragile egos>we deserve special treatment!kek
Then you say only women are guilty of victimization? Yeah, nah, go cry in a corner you virgin beta turboloser.
inb4 "tu quoque"
You people don't know the first thing about rhetoric holy shit
No. 64694
>>64687>However, I think the same is true for guys - sexually, they prefer mean girls over nice ones."No"
>>64646>I don't think it's THAT hard to get laid as a guy, especially if you are decent looking and confident/asshole-ishThink of all the guys you dont notice, those who dont stand out to you. Those guys aren't getting laid. It's just that when you think of men, you only think of the ones you pay attention to who are attractive themselves.
My theory at least. I'm average looking and have never had any female attention
No. 64696
>>64687>A lot of girls, myself included, like assholesMy personal experience says otherwise. No girl I know likes assholes. They tend to prefer outgoing, sure (though many either don't gaf or think shy, normal functional non-autistic shy, is cute), but not assholes or even asshole-ish.
I personally like my men pedantic/arrogant (towards certain people, not everyone) but I've never met anyone with similar taste. And even then, that's not really being an asshole.
>>64694To be tbh I spend enough time on the internet to notice that most guys who aren't get laid at all, ever, have anxiety problems coupled with learned helplessness (caused by the outcomes of said anxiety). It's not very common for average neurotypical guys to be permavirgin.
No. 64704
>>64699I do.
>>64702This isn't the thread for that. Go to the /r9k/ thread.
No. 64717
>>64704Done
There is now a redpill thread on /snow/.
No. 64733
>>64696Exactly. I have never known anyone who actually wanted to be treated like shit by their partner. Lbr.
I want a boyfriend who actually enjoys being around me.
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No. 65116
>>64733I've never actually met a girl who likes assholes either. Most of the girls I know who were dating assholes only found out they were assholes later on in the relationship (by finding out they were cheating, abusive, aggressive, etc etc.) and they broke up with them soon after.
When guys are assholes to me for no reason, I don't even want to be friends with them. I don't associate with them really and I'd definitely never seek one out to date.
No. 65243
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Kek
No. 91238
>>91230That kind of life sounds like my worst nightmare.
PS don't people think that most of the frequent users on rpw are trp sock accounts?
No. 91245
>>91238Probably, but the fact that any women would believe in and go for that lifestyle is weird to me.
>>91242So? I read them and I'd like a little bit more discussion that that.
No. 91264
>>91230>>91230I frequent that board and I think you've gotten it really really wrong. It's about attracting a decent man who will ultimately fulfil a traditional role for you, not steamroll your opinion. You give advice and offer help in every way you can and in return your man cares and respects you as you respect him. It's an equal footing partnership without you nagging or reminding a dude to do his job; you are patient and hardworking and trust that he'll do it. Inspiring the best in each other in a sense.
I love that idea personally and a lot of it is about improving yourself and hermit mode to work hard to celebrate your femininity and intelligence something that appeals.
IDK you make it sound cultish and it's really not. It's about self improvement aimed at women who want to find a decent husband and most are really into empowerment that comes from trusting in a more traditional love. I see no problem with it and we aren't hurting anyone. Seriously. It's not repillman at all and it doesn't argue for being a doormat (quite the opposite) I see so many posts about low tier men and how you shouldn't date them and how you should consider and be choosy about your intended husband.
Sounds like pretty standard and good advice for women.
No. 91265
>>91264Still sounds like a nightmare tbh.
Why is it called "red pill women" if you don't want to attract "red pill men"? Shouldn't you guys be a perfect match?
No. 91266
>>91230Also it never says anything about not having masculine interests. It pretty much says you should LEARN about what your bf/husband likes and learn to enjoy it like he does but never insist that you always have to be apart of it which is fine. Interests together and apart are good things.
I honestly don't know where you've read some of this stuff. It's like you've skimmed and taken away this first pass offense because it's not what you consider a relationship to be and not actually READ it.
No. 91267
>>91265Because that's what it calls? Redpill refers to not wanting to go with the usual mentality.
Also, redpill dudes who come to the website and state 'I am a dude' are SO not welcome. They get downvoted to all hell. I'm not sure why this is a nightmare?
I literally love cooking, being female, dressing up and being beautiful and smart and a good partner for my bf. I want a traditional relationship where I'm a woman and he's a man and we bring out the best in each other.
No. 91274
>>91269From the "long answer" part to the same question:
>We work to minimize our negative characteristics (shit testing, hypergamy, sexual manipulation etc)I also don't think any of those characteristics are somehow natural to me because I am a woman.
But do your thing. Call me when you've "hit the wall" at 22 and your rp man moves on to another plate.
No. 91277
>>91274Well, I'm in my late twenties and married six years to a man who doesn't even know what any of this is in the first place. Our relationship is just naturally kinda traditional in a way.
I really don't have any beef with people who don't want this kind of relationship, but seriously, it works for a lot of people and I think there are some misconceptions.
If you don't believe you have these sorts of weakness like being passive aggressive or snappy or you overthink great for you, some of us do and want to be better at controlling it.
No. 91281
>>91276Probably laugh because it's about traditional marriage not being an uptight asshole? I swear all the fucking time. Where are you getting this idea that you become some sort of robot? This is literally aimed at women who have/want a decent husband.
Maybe I'm just utterly confused about why someone chooses to be salty over people who want to have a relationship like this.
No. 91284
>>91277But they didn't say "we're trying not to over think or be passive aggressive". The official FAQ page specifically mentions wanting to learn to stop shit testing, hypergamy, and sexual manipulation.
Do you honestly think you need to learn how to not be "hypergamous" and not bail on your husband when a richer/hotter man comes around? Are you that weak?
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>>91290
>red pill women just advocates self-improvement and healthy relationships!
>i follow RPW because i'm into kink and want to be dominated and abused!
No. 91312
>>91308It's
fantasizing about being abused. And feminists are usually into it, because they're mentally damaged.
Why did you delete your post?
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No. 91327
>>91322Im sure they would think red is too whorish or something.
I bet they would choose pink for maximum femininity.
No. 91766
>>91753Well you could always talk to your grandmother, or other female family members who lived through that time.
I don't really need a documentary to explain to me how being a full time cook, maid, nanny, and sex machine, all with a smile on your face would be a fucking nightmare. Not having any personal income, not being able to get a divorce because of social stigma, no job, the list of bullshit goes on.
No. 188337
New Hampshire rep. Robert Fisher has been outed as a founder of The Red Pill.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4448902/Robert-Fisher-Red-Pill-creator-vows-stay-office.htmlCreepy how people like this can get into power
No. 188341
>>91753Call the Midwife is kind of flowery at times but it's based on a real nurse's memoirs and touches on the topic of gender roles in the 50s/60s all the time throughout the show. What happens when a man cheats on his wife with another woman, when an unmarried woman gets pregnant, when a man beats his wife, when the husband gets caught having sex with another man, having to ask permission to go back to work or do most things we take for granted… It's pretty shit, all things considered.
Yet redpillers somehow always forget that they'd have to be the ones bringing in the money and working their hides off to provide for the whole family, which is just not possible if you're a neckbeard who happens to live in 2017. The family would be catching rats to survive, especially with a child on the scene.
The show also mentions the pressure put on men to do good by their wives and provide for the family, often leaving their dreams behind. One guy even tries to kill himself when he finds out he can't go to university because his girlfriend's 'in the family way'.
No. 188345
>>188337This is a pretty big deal.
Obviously the MSM is too busy reporting strollers being taken on airlines to fucking care that we have this corrupt misogynistic piece of shit in a public position.
No. 188347
>>188337>>188345One of his reddit comments:
>When I'm out with friends, including girls, you know EXACTLY what the conversation will entail, it's gossip or fashion, pop culture, trendiness, personal experiences. Nothing abstract. They do not chat in the abstract…when I told myself I thought they were smart, I really had the footnote in the back of my head… smart.. for a woman…But you know what two-way conversation I'm never going to have with a woman is? About how interesting special relativity is. How I consider the free-will argument to be moot because time travel causes paradoxes that render the concept nonsensical. Oh, sure, they'll be interested, or at least act like they are. But there will be no two way conversation…I don't hate women. I just understand what use they are to me.What the fuckkkk… this is someone who is making laws!
No. 188348
>>188337>>188345The archive of his comments.
His favorite type of argument is to use shoddy evolutionary psychology. He's a smug, stupid asshole trying so hard to sound intellectual.
>https://archive.li/Jgtbx#selection-1439.99-1439.106>>188347>this is someone who is making laws!It's not exactly a solid consolation, but it literally takes nothing to get a seat in the NH house of reps.
It pays $100 a year, he gets a fancy public official license plate (for a fee of $8), free tolls, and I guess compensation for mileage in travel.
To boot it's only a two-year term, a revolving door.
AND NOTICE–his comment history tapered off two years ago, right around the time he would have taken the position. He stopped posting to reddit because he knew he'd be watched and ran the risk of being caught saying offensive shit during his term.
I want this to blow up.
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>>188348Posting again but yep, he stepped down from being a mod two years ago exactly when he got involved as a public figure. That's why he didn't reveal the reason. Didn't wanna be caught.
Shitweasel.
No. 189265
>>189202The actual fuck
>If you are having a good relationship then you're doing it wrongI know this a shit reaction post but I just need to express my disbelief at this. What are the rate of redpillers among guys? I can't imagine accidentally dating one of these
No. 189463
>>188347>How I consider the free-will argument to be moot because time travel causes paradoxes that render the concept nonsensical.mad lel at him considering this a deep abstract thought when it's something a 13 year old would come out with having watched futurama
>>188947>implying there isn't legislature that damages men to appeal to female voters, usually in the family court systemalthough ironically the most anti-male legislature is things usually defended by men themselves like male circumcision being legal or the draft
No. 189466
>>189418Funny thing is, men don't need to hit the gym at all.
Plenty of women are raised and taught to accept, if not actively seek out, fat men.
Take shoeonhead, mystery.jpg, etc.
Our thin to average female lolcows have dated/are dating some hamplanet man.
All a guy has to do is not have a shit personality.
That's it. And most can't even be assed to do it because they're so used to having whatever parental figure give them anything they want.
Most of these incels aren't even fat anyway, they're socially awkward bean poles who look like the next Adam Lanza and are super fucking nasty.
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>>189202I was reading through the comments and found this gem
>ok but after i become this superior male why would i want to spend time and energy with a being such as the female you people portray?>don't ask questions bro No. 190738
>>189466This post made me feel bad :'(
To be honest your personality isn't easy to change, and the people who have a good personality (confident, funny) usually didn't do a lot to earn it. For the most part it's sort of the opposite, where confidence is a litmus test for peer approval and familial support. A lot of painfully awkward people come out of broken homes or extended bullying situations. Others never had a friend and don't know where to begin with talking to people.
For the most part, people don't really have much sympathy for sexual failures; guys accuse girls of being land whales and girls accuse guys of being virgins. Still, I don't think there has to be a fifth as much enmity between sexes as you currently find online.
I probably just shouldn't be here. I'd like to understand women better and humanize them more, but I just get defensive and write shit like this.
No. 190750
>>45301You are right.
But I feel like it's still very hard to hang out with /r/ men. They either have self-esteem issues - to the point of engaging competitive mode when, as a woman, y'are trying to discuss how you may sometimes feel the same sort of self-esteem issue -, or they have anger issues - which disables any type of rational discussion/dialogue. It's like impossible for you to be more ~sad~ or ~less understood~ because of their defensiveness. Heck, it's almost a fantasy.
No. 190767
>>190738anon i sympathize but i think you're in the wrong place if you want to see women in a more positive light. this is, at its core, a gossip site that exists for people (girls, predominantly) to anonymously talk shit. speaking as an anonymous shit-talking girl myself, this place is a bit of a hub for the lowest common denominator. all in all, it might be a good to get to know the women who are already in your social sphere.
your intentions seem good. i hope you find what you're looking for and i'm sorry your experiences have led you here. sage for bleeding heart
No. 190782
>>190738>This post made me feel badThat was my post.
It said that men don't have to do nearly as much work on their bodies in order to attract the opposite sex.
That makes you feel bad?
You CANNOT be this much of a pansy just because you're insecure that your personality
might be flawed. So what? Personalities aren't physically visible. You either work on it or fake it til you make it.
If you really can't socialize then you need to seek out behavioral or cognitive therapy. I come from an abused, divorced home and find either hardly an excuse for a shit personality.
Good personalities don't just spring from the ground, and you're mistaken if you think people don't actively try everyday to be good even when they don't want to.
>I'd like to understand women better and humanize them moreWomen are already human. What could you possibly not understand to any degree?
>I just get defensive and write shit like thisBecause you think perfectly controllable things are out of your reach when they're not. So when people here say truths that strike a nerve with your inadequacies, it's your natural human defense mechanism to recoil. Again, another personality trait that
can be changed to accept criticism–not automatically blame everything and everyone else.
No. 190785
>>190782The sad thing is that men care the least about how women look. As long as they are not obese or skin'n'bones. I think most of the issues come from insecurity and vanity. Just peek into the fashion or /fit/ threads here on /ot/.
The extra attention usually comes from women making themselves look more 'easy' than anything else. If you make yourself stand out, you WILL stand out.
No. 190793
>>190785>The sad thing is that men care the least about how women look.Is this bait? Am I being memed?
Ever heard the phrase men age like wine, women age like milk? That's a refill staple. It's not about personalities or maturity, it's about looks. A woman who isn't good looking is considered worthless, because women are valued for their looks alone. Redpillers say women lose their "sexual market value" as they age for precisely that reason.
You can't both believe in the red pill and say men don't care about how women look.
No. 190797
>>190793While incels are obsessed with their virginity, cows seem to be obsessed with their looks. Each of them seem to want to acquire an athlete's body and dress up like a fashion model.
While the truth is, there are at least two billion women, half of them bellow average looking (duh), who already found a partner without any problem.
Redpillers say a lot of truth, but they, like many others bend it to push their own agenda. You can't argue with numbers, but it is up to interpretation what they mean. While statistics is hard science, sociology isn't.
Take it like politics: listen to both sides of the argument but, it is up to you to make sense of all the information.
No. 190814
>>190782>It said that men don't have to do nearly as much work on their bodies in order to attract the opposite sex.>That makes you feel bad?Having shit social skills has made my life much more painful, and I haven't made friends in years. So, when you say I "just have to fix it" as if it were the most trivial thing to do, and the only reason I've failed is because I'm a manchild who's babied by my parents, then that does make me feel worse, especially when other people agree with you. You're broadcasting blatant disgust, it shouldn't surprise you that it isn't taken as reassuring.
>Good personalities don't just spring from the ground, and you're mistaken if you think people don't actively try everyday to be good even when they don't want to.I really don't believe this, though. A lot of people put up with others who test their patience, or put thought into dramatic parts of their life, but most socialize pretty naturally and enjoy doing so. Some may have to make concerted efforts to be kind, or honest, but most are pretty laid back about it, at least with people they like. They have to be more thoughtful interacting with people they don't like, but most just solve that by avoidance outside of family situations.
I can understand why people would say income is a reflection of hard work, but only a minority of people have to struggle to develop social competence. It's genuinely bizarre to say funny people earn being funny, or insightful people earn being insightful. Nobody expects you to be fair about who you hang out with, or spend your time with. It's obvious why you would talk to people you enjoy talking to, you don't need to say that social abilities are the result of hard work. When you try to make every method of selection into a fair process you only justify viewing people you personally don't like as objective garbage.
>Women are already human. What could you possibly not understand to any degree?I really have not had close friendships with women, and would like to understand them better. "Humanize" here means make them sympathetic to me, not literally discover whether or not they're people.
No. 190820
>>190814>So, when you say I "just have to fix it" as if it were the most trivial thing to doNobody said it's trivial or easy, but why should you get a dick pass for being a failure?
We tell mentally ill people to go on medication and seek therapy.
We tell fat people to exercise and lose weight.
You can't blame your parents forever.
Nobody is going to be reassuring to you about anything if by the time you're a mid-adult you haven't done anything about your issues while complaining about them.
You can't even tell yourself honestly that you've tried getting help.
>but only a minority of people have to struggle to develop social competenceSocialization is a work in progress for everyone. If it were so simple then there'd be no such need for behavioral sciences, sociology, language therapists, psychologists, etc.
You literally pick up socialization from other people and your surroundings. A humorous person wasn't born funny. An insightful person wasn't born insightful (children and teens are actually quite selfish, fyi).
Be it bizarre or difficult, I don't see how wallowing in self-pity as an incel will help you.
>"Humanize" here means make them sympathetic to meYou meant "empathetic," homes.
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>>190785>The sad thing is that men care the least about how women lookHahahahaha… I've lost count of all those fugly looking guys who find nonexistent flaws on average or even pretty girls for "big noses", "no ass", "no boobs", "male voice". Men are the ones who nitpick the most, even when they're so ugly they should never speak up about that, especially then.
Also, serious question: I've noticed that men tend to be super confident even when they're busted, when on the other side I see a lot of pretty girls with low self esteem, who seriously believe they're ugly. Why?
No. 190824
>>190820>We tell mentally ill people to go on medication and seek therapy.To be honest I did this for a while. Like eight antidepressants one after another, and at best they made me feel numb to everything. Benzos helped, but made it hard to work and shouldn't be taken for long. Antipsychotics helped a lot, but there's piling evidence they caused brain shrinkage so I stopped taking them. Psychology was expensive and did nothing.
The mental health system can't fix everybody. I should spend time with people consistently, I genuinely should not talk or think about my problems much more than I already do.
>Socialization is a work in progress for everyone. If it were so simple then there'd be no such need for behavioral sciences, sociology, language therapists, psychologists, etc. Everybody is progressing in their personality and social life, but all of those soft sciences don't exist merely so people can be better at interpersonal interaction, they address broader social issues or extreme personalities. Psychology isn't about helping everybody, it's about understanding humans out of scientific curiosity and recognizing and fixing exceptional dysfunction.
>You literally pick up socialization from other people and your surroundings. A humorous person wasn't born funnyYes, but most people did not work hard to have friends at six years old, or twelve, or sixteen, or even twenty. It's common for adults to struggle more with friendships, but most people socialize at least smoothly enough that they come into adulthood capable of talking to people without concerning them. Having well developed social skills generally does not reflect personal struggle or years of hard work, it mostly reflects a healthy upbringing, the absence of neurological problems, and continuous social integration. It's not easy to change.
I'm not saying you should fuck anybody out of pity, I guess I'm just being defensive.
>You mean "empathetic," homesYou right.
No. 190827
>>190808'Least' and 'do' are not opposites. And 'least' is not equal to zero.
>>190821Those fuggly men you mentioned are just bitter like the cows in /pt/. They need someone to berate to feel better about themselves.
>difference in confidenceHormones. Men are more competitive while women are conformists. Except the exception ofc, before I get shut down for generalizing in 'generalization the thread'.
Because of difference in behavior women and men have completely different social dynamics. Men socialize into a hierarchical world, they live their whole lives knowing, and contesting their place. This competition means that there will be times when they 'win' and times when don't. And I think this constant struggle gives them confidence. "There's always next time" and other cliches are not empty words for them.
It doesn't help that we raise our boys to be strong while teach or girls to be emotional.
https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702Self-made-man is an interesting book on male societies from a female point of view. I haven't finished it but good so far.
>>190793>Ever heard the phrase men age like wine, women age like milk?That can be traced back to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio#Gender_imbalance No. 190829
>>190823>not that anon but people with autism have a legit excuseI don't presume every person I reply to is autistic.
It's been griped before that when women assume all incels are on some level of the spectrum or mentally ill, we're being oppressive feminazis.
So I try not to.
>>190824>antidepressants>antipsychotics>BenzosAre you now trying to say you're legitimately mentally ill, or that you are just socially awkward, or both?
What exactly do you have?
You're moving the goal posts bigly when you start with "I don't have a good personality and socializing is hard," and switch to "Well actually I am mentally ill and probably can't socialize."
Who knows, maybe you are doomed to be alone forever considering you think cognitive behavioral therapy and speech therapy are "soft sciences" that "don't deal with interpersonal reactions"–not true btw and you should look into these.
The truth is you need both your medication and social interaction to get better. That's all there is to it.
>but most people did not work hard to have friends at six years old, or twelve, or sixteen, or even twentyI agree with you about childhood friendships. Only because gradeschool kids are mostly controlled by their parents, including who becomes their playmates.
But middle school, high school, and college aged kids making friends easy? Is that your perspective as an outsider who's never made the friends before to know that it's not that simple? Deep down you know a lot of people struggle in their formative years and that isn't quite true.
>>190827>And 'least' is not equal to zero.It was pointing out your hypocrisy when you said how men supposedly care "the least" about looks as you eliminated overweight and too thin women from the dating pool. It's a significant group to exclude for being supposedly "the least" unbiased about looks.
That's right after we just discussed how women are conditioned by society to accept out of shape or fat men.
Now I WILL say, for the purposes of just getting their dicks wet, men don't care about looks as much as women do assuming the women only want a fuck as well.
But for relationships? Men are picky as fuck and in addition expect their women to be proxy mothers ie. being able to balance his time, domestic chores, and work (y'know, just to prove we're not golddiggers!).
>That can be traced back to gender imbalancesNobody uses that phrase in a modern setting with the context that there's a gender imbalance in society. They're using it to devalue a woman based on her looks regardless of how little or many more are out there.
No. 190830
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I used to read redpill for the lolz but it does contain some decent advice about some things, mostly about forming decent social habits and handling some social situations.
What people need is curiosity and confidence. Be afraid, but don't let that stop you every time. Sometimes you just need to immerse yourself in groups of people, different kinds of people, new people you don't know, to open up new friendships and possibily even sex and relationships.
And this is just the advice of a 31 year old apprentice wizard…
The road to improvement is always there, it never goes away, it just waits for you to walk on it…
No. 190873
>>46212eh, it's worked on me. It will only work though when a man is goal oriented, is attractive personally and physically, is funny, and can be someone to look up to.etc. It doesn't work with boring dudes who don't put anything into themselves. Why the hell would someone all of a sudden want to fuck some homely looking, boring as bread man just because he bragged about flirting with the secretary at his proctologist? That dude's gf would probably just get mad. Those types of men are usually the ones to post and actually take literally everything on trp seriously & put it into action. VS someone taking small notes on the side, enacting a changed form of what they took notes on. When our marriage got kinda stale he started working out, gaining new hobbies and going out with workmates at night - this made me want to make myself better and more interesting as well. Only when I started losing weight, took some non-credit courses and began making the meals again did he spend more time at home. Dread doesn't necessarily have to be super hardcore - like fucking other women, it can be as subtle as working out more or saying a girl has nice hair on the street. I suggest dread-lite to guys - the idea is good but the way trp goes about it only works on women who are sex reactionary/shallow.
That's how I feel about it as a whole. The people can be cringy, the ideas can be cringy, but there are REALLY REALLY rough diamonds in there sometimes.
No. 190889
>>190873The issue with dread is that it's emotional manipulation, they're trying to get their partner to be more interested by making them scared.
Working out and developing new hobbies might make your partner feel like they want to do stuff too, which reinvigorates the relationship, but when you do those things with the intention of making your partner scared you'll leave them or cheat, you're a fucking trash person.
It's the difference between having a discussion where you both try to figure out how you did something wrong that led to an issue so you can proceed to fix it in future, and having a conversation where you try to get your partner to admit to being in the wrong so you don't have to take responsibility and to make them feel bad.
Dread is an absolutely terrible thing to do, and honestly won't work the majority of the time, because as you said, people just get mad when you treat them badly, and when they aren't that into the relationship to start with, they're just going to dump you, not fall in love all over again or something.
No. 190890
>>190889>When you do those things with the intention of making your partner scared you'll leave them or cheat, you're a fucking trash person.This.
And besides, don't incels and MRA types lose their collective shit when women are caught doing this? The hypocrisy is astounding.
No. 191008
>>190827>Men are more competitive while women are conformistsExcept when it comes to beauty or male attention, then most women are competitive as fuck
>>190821Because women are taught from a young age that they're only valuable if they're pretty, and seeing photoshopped/prettier girls all day doesn't help anyone's self esteem
>'Least' and 'do' are not opposites. And 'least' is not equal to zero.You're thinking of desperate men who'll take whatever they can get. Most normal men care a lot about appearances, if they didn't we wouldn't get "feminists don't shave and that's gross" shit.
>>190824>Antipsychotics helped a lot, but…Doesn't matter why, if they helped you should have kept taking them. Which would you rather have, a nice life that ends at age 60 or a shitty life that ends at age 80?
I don't know about you, but if they had a pill that neutralized by assburgers I would have taken them even if it meant dying before I was 50.
No. 191060
>>191012It's not really surprising though, you kinda have to be like that to get anywhere in Eastern Europe, especially job and administration-wise. If you're a pushover you just get thrown to the back of the queue whilst they give the position to someone they know because you're too meek to cause a scene.
One common sales tactic here is to push push push the customer to buy something so they can't say no. And it gets to you the longer you stay there, so you start thinking everyone in the world is just going to fuck you over if you're not firm with them. Also the concept of discrimination and '-isms' just doesn't exist, you make your own luck. So women get fucked over the most because they're seen as weaker (by men) and for some men it means you can tell them and get them to do whatever if you're persistent enough. So you have to be extra firm with everyone and have no qualms about causing a scene if push comes to shove.
I doubt those women are really bad, they've just been conditioned into fighting tooth and nail for their place under the sun and know no different way to conduct themselves. Ultimately it's a good thing, I think, much better than the American way of whining until you get what you want.
Then again my country is sort of known for our angry, strong-jawed Slav lesbos so it might be different elsewhere. Here it's girls who have fist fights outside of schools, not boys. And women here also consider themselves superior to men because of this. The 'submissive waifu' stereotype has always been weird to me because of that, idk.
No. 191479
>>191438It's more of a local thing, internationally most people just know us as criminals/terrorists and… not much beyond that.
>>191443Eh, lots of bad shit happened here so that's why we have that mentality. Besides, there's still domestic violence and other similar stuff like everywhere else, but that's usually rednecks in the sticks.
>>191455Serbia, pls bring jobs and money
No. 191485
>>191483
>I dont get where the submissive waifu thing comes fromHonestly, it's because you guys in general are 1) still completely obsessed with being skinny and hot and wearing a shitton of make up while you allow men to get away with being ugly as shit and put no effort into their experience 2) Still baby your men and do traditional "woman" things. Like, yeah, you have a degree and go to work, and when you come home you guys still do pretty much all of the house work and don't expect them to be big boys and help you do the laundry and feed the baby and 3) Let's be real, the abuse rates in most Eastern European countries are still very high. I know it's more a "both partners beat the shit out of each other in a fight" than "man beats his poor helpless gf/wife" scenario, but the idea of being able to be physically violent is very appealing to many of these guys.
I know these are generalizations, and any slavboo is in for some surprises, but at the same time denial is a powerful thing and the ups are worth the downs to them, so.
No. 191496
>>191485Oh boi, you didn't get it. It's all a trap, it's a highgrade bait. You act out your part until you're settled and slowly dig that moneypit. Slavic women are the most coldhearted actresses if they feel like it. Remember, that they're speaking a foreign language so the communication isn't as fluent.
As for the aesthetics, most of them genuinely enjoy it. Some use it as a bait, trapdown a man by looking hot. As for the housework? It depends on the wealth, besides, what's wrong with doing housework? Especially when you know most slavic men are little princes that wouldn't do it properly. Let's also be honest that slavic women get taught that if he tries to beat you into submission, the next time he wakes up is in a casket. I've heard this advice a dozen times from family members. Slavbos don't realise they aren't capable of handling a fullblown slavmama.
>>191493Like this anon said, it's a countdown.
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>I know it's more a "both partners beat the shit out of each other in a fight" than "man beats his poor helpless gf/wife" scenario, but the idea of being able to be physically violent is very appealing to many of these guys.
My old neighbor's husband came home drunk and tried to beat her but she was faster and beat him up with a broomstick until he passed out lol
Anyways, I am Slavic and I had an American boyfriend while studying abroad. At first he was nice but turned out to be a shithead and even told me how Slavic women are better because they know their place. He thought I was with him because he is le American with money. Needless to say, I broke up with the idiot. I might not earn as much but I am not exchanging my integrity for a stupid manchild with money.
No. 191533
>>191485>obsessed with being skinny and hot and wearing a shitton of makeupAs opposed to being #THICC with gargantuan fake tits and hair, dressing up like a girl in a porno, overdrawing my lips until I look like a baboon, piling on oodles of foundation, eyebrow makeup and highlighter until I look like a wax sculpture and taking selfies of my butt for Tinder…?
Glass houses etc.
No. 191546
>>191008>Which would you rather have, a nice life that ends at age 60 or a shitty life that ends at age 80?I don't care that much about whether I die at sixty or ninety, I don't want to damage my brain. If I was stupid I would be pretty fucked, much worse off than I am now.
>>190829>maybe you are doomed to be alone forever considering you think cognitive behavioral therapy and speech therapy are "soft sciences" that "don't deal with interpersonal reactions"–I said they don't exist merely to make people better at interpersonal interactions. I never said they don't deal with interactions. Reading over it I think I was wrong about language therapy.
>But middle school, high school, and college aged kids making friends easy? A lot of them do. Even plenty of adults find it inconceivable to be friendless. Personality plays a big role here and it's pretty variable.
No. 191556
>>191533The only difference between what that anon said and what you said is skinny/thicc lol
They probably mean as opposed to popping out kids then becoming obese and haggard because raising kids is "a full time job" and that means you have no time or energy to look after yourself and gaining 60lbs in 2 years is "just getting older" as is the norm in Western countries now. Slavboos see slav women staying hot looking in older age and think it's because they want to serve men when in reality they just like doing that for themselves.
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>You're an SJW if you disagree that immigrants are like mentally disabled people
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He also is extremely funny. Note the sarcasm.
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Things that never happened going for one…
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Now imagine all of the above stuttered at you, with a lisp.
While he sets the flowers he bought you on fire.
No. 195535
>>44925They're obvious losers who are obsessed with women while claiming to hate them at the same time. Disgusting all around. If I found out anyone I knew associated or entertained that type of stuff I would cut them off instantly.
Girls who try to pander to those freaks are almost as bad.
No. 196717
>>196705I think that's what they meant.
Honestly though, men are so beta and pathetic that it would be easy as fuck. I don't think instruction would even be necessary. Though most women have too much empathy and integrity to lead some beta guy on.. If the genders were switched men would have no qualms with using us.