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Yeah but African Americans will still go "Well she black cos aborigines were black so therefore she a black gurl liek us <3"
despite them not even being fucking the same
they'll do it
I don't mind black women displaying her since some black people (mostly Caribbean and South and North American blacks) look like her somewhat. Now on the other hand, if they are the type that yells out "ERASING BLACK PPL" or "CULTURAL APPROPRIASHUN" at everything, then yeah I got a problem.
52nd I'm going with what another anon said, you can tell most blacks on Tumblr would claim she is black when, no, that's just her color and hair texture. Despite having 'black features', girl is Asian a'f.
My mother actually thought she was another version of Lilo or a spin off of Lolo and Stitch.
Isn't she too black? Maoris today look kind of swarthy but not like that?
That said I would love to be able troll them about why there weren't any whites in the movie, because Spanish/Portuguese/Italian/Dutch explorers were in that part of the world at that time so its not fair what about diversity hurr durr.>>42454
Don't be silly, it's only CA when white does it. Power + prejudice etc.
Well it makes sense considering how important representation is. Having someone you can connect with is special, even if it is a character. For kids it's important. Many studies have shown support for kids learning even more from animated media than from watching people interact on screen.
I don't think it's a big deal for them to ask for a disney character who is middle eastern, asian, black, hawaiian, maori, etc especially if those groups watch disney movies/shows in large numbers within their communities.
Jesus, I think this will become a mouthful.
Exactly, representation is important for most younger girls, and not trying to be racists here, but it's kind of different when some white kids say that they didn't care about what color the princesses were.
Yes, everyone can hate their skin, but most younger black girls (children, but in this case, girls), are taught (subconsciously or not) that their skin is ugly or they are not pretty due to their features. Not only blacks, but minorities/POCs living in more Eurocentric/White-centric/Americanized areas.
(yes some, before some of you come in here talking about other areas than America where standards are different. Disney is American, I'm American, so I'm saying this all from a POC-American view) white children, the beauty standard is already there for them, and they aren't considered ugly. So they can enjoy their princesses, and other minorities princesses without a worry. Whites are/were the majority in media whether we like it or not. While most black girls would be all like, "Oh! Yay, there's a princess that looks kinda like me!!"
Most of this comes from the fact of observing most of my friends and myself. Our parents grew us up with Eurocentric beauty standards (straight hair, light eyes, light skin), without focusing on what we could have and what we are, and what we cant change.
Of course times are changing with the younger generations, and more representation, but things would only gradually better. Plus parents are learning not to let their kids worry about shit like this. Also, please dont think I'm only focusing on blacks. This was the group that some people in this thread didn't want cosplaying so I kinda focused on it.
Now, the fact that grown ass people are "passionate" more so than the ones who are mothers of young kids is actually pretty sad. lmao.
In the end, any little girl could cosplay her if they wish. And honestly, she's adorable, and I wish I could keep her. But something looks sort of odd in OP pic. She kind of reminds me of those old time BRATZ baby figurines, except with a smaller head. Kind of unsettling the more I stare.
Ah so basically my opinion doesnt matter because im white?
Pff, not all white people have light hair and eyes(+Straight hair) most dont, yet they dont complain about the looks of a childrens cartoon, and yes it is adults brainwashing these kids to care about looks before it is even natural for them to do so.
And its stupid that they have to make up princesses that wouldnt even exist in reality because "princesses" are a european thing, maybe empress and pharo etc, could work. But idk just seems stupid.
Both of you know
thats not the point that anon was making. It's about the fact that kids that look different (it doesn't have to be an issue of race, think of the Croods movie) want to have a show or movie that they can look to and feel that they're being recognized too. Obviously not in terms of lifestyle, but in relation to how they feel and look. It can be enough for them.
Children love movies like Cinderella not because they all have evil step moms and sisters, but because they've also been victims of abuse/harassment/bullying and wish they'd had a fairy god mother.
Yeah, the story line is enough for some, but to kids being able to relate visually is important too. Not only that, buy variety is fun and educational. If disney princesses really were
all blonde and blue eyed, there would be a ton of white kids feeling left out too. There is nothing wrong with them asking for a red head, brunette or black haired princess too.
People make this about race to a disgusting degree. Asking for a charcter of a different race is fine, since it often comes with a culture or tradition the story line can focus on, but to think that the racial aspect of it is all that matters is wrong, from all sides including the poc.
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Thoughts I've had on this:
1. I keep seeing people in this thread saying that she's Maori, but the people behind the movie have said that she doesn't represent one culture in particular. She's a mashup of different Polynesian cultures, which is pretty smart imo but probably still won't be enough for SJWs. They'll criticize it for being stereotyped and not including [insert obscure island]. There'll be controversy about whether she looks too white and/or not she looks Polynesian enough. (And by Polynesian I mean black.) Besides that, they'll probably criticize it for not having any trans people as they always do.
2. I was disappointed to find out that this was going to be in CGI. As usual, the 2D concept art looks much livelier.
3. Disney's had a problem with sameface syndrome lately. All of their female characters have short faces, huge eyes and noses that come far too close to their mouths. Rapunzel was cute but it's getting old now.
Just salty cunts who are either SJWs or are bitter about SJWs and want to "get back at them". Or racists.
Look, if you're honestly going to play dumb, check out the white doll/black doll experiment.
Kids are literally taught that they are ugly or "bad" because they are black (or otherwise not white) subconsciously, whether you choose to see it or not.
I think you either straighe up missed the 'some' white people in my post. And the whole, 'anyone can hate their skin'. Did you see that, or did you purposely pass that shit?
Never said white people's opinion was invalid, just that most of them aren't treated as if they are ugly or different from a young age. Of course there are the exceptions which I pointed out, but I did say most parents expose their kids to a Euro centric/Americanized beauty concept subconsciously or not. Never said that every white person have these traits either. For example, bueaty ideals call for big youthful looking eyes, does that mean everyone is born with them?
Of course, not all POC parents as some of them teach their kids about different standards from young(living their skin and working with what they got and loving those too).
I used my friends and I for an example and never made up any statistics about what I wanted to convey so you can't say I was just saying random numbers. In the end, if you really wanted to analyze my piece on the issue and notice I not was trying to be offensive in anyway, you would think that I didn't generalize anyone, and only mentioned a specific group of people.
Here is my point again, representation is important for most black girls because other than personality, it gives them something to look up to because they know they are different. I then said that white people are the majority in the media not that POC never get airtime. White people's representation are already there. Therefore, most little white girls do not care about a princesses looks, because some don't have the bueaty standards pushed on them. Most aren't told (or subconsciously told) their skin is ugly.
Finally, I said this is changing meaning most little girls are starting not to care with the rise in POC dolls and media, but we do have a long way to go as I mentioned. For example, there are some countries that are still very colorist and it's sort of the norm for residents to bleach their skin and hair.
Listen, I didn't want to make it too much about race, as there are many races, but I wanted it to be about appearance for the most part. Which is why I said black. Moana can look like a dark skinned Pacific Islander, or she can look black.
I did mention in the end any little girl can dress up as any character they want, their choice, can't stop them.
Saging but also, saying an empress or pharo is almost
the same thing. However I believe an empress/pharo is a bit higher than princess since a princess isn't ruling anything, as of yet.
As I mentioned before in my first post, Disney is an American company, so to make things easier they call anyone who is in a royal family and in the main focus a princess (except Pocahontas, and I think Mulan? I believe they didn't have Phocahontas as a princess, but considered Mulan one right?).
Technically, they had no queen main protagonist character as yet, and that's where empress could come in.
Also, I would like to add on that I don't think Dieney should use POCs just for the sake of it, but do it because you have a good storyline where it may fit.
Not every storyline has to have white people right?
>>42742>"Yes, everyone can hate their skin">"With some white children">" Also, please dont think I'm only focusing on blacks. This was the group that some people in this thread didn't want cosplaying so I kinda focused on it.">"In the end, any little girl could cosplay her if they wish."
But yknow, let's just skip over things, you know? Beauty standards are shallow, but most (or some, whatever you feel fit), will always notice that they are different. Kids dont often look for elaborate personalities. Good for the kid if they do, but honestly, other kids dont, which is what representation is for.
Also, Im not talking about body shape, skin conditions, and breast size (most girls I expect to be watching Disney are six or 9? They would quickly think more about skin color than breast size, Jesus), if you want to have that conversation fine. But the discussion at hand is looks (skin color wise, and somewhat race).
Disney and other media has already demonstrated plump characters, so that's not an issue strictly at hand?? Anyone can be fat or have body issues, however, not everyone is black or white. And people can't change their skin color unless they bleach and tan to all hell. And when darker skinned girls arent seeing themselves in most places, they start to emulate looks they cant have.
Dont get me wrong, every group can have representation, but white people have the most already, what's so bad about blacks/asians/latinos getting some airtime?
I don't believe people should force darker skin/minorities in shows for no god damned reason, but does every storyline need whites?
A little more representations for little girls to be a bit happier isn't going to change much.
Black kids self-harm more than white kids. Black kids are more likely to be autistic than white kids.
In a general sense, white kids have it a lot better than black kids, especially when you take into account things like household/lifestyle in places like America with lots of ghettos and bad influences. >White kids experience a drop in self-esteem more than black kids.
Source? Black kids (and adults) are less likely to talk to therapists or psychiatrists about their feelings because seeing them is not only frowned on in the black community for all sorts of reasons (ie "it doesn't even work", "if you go to one you're crazy", "it's too much money and a waste of time", etc) the entire psychiatric field is very much centered around white people, so any information saying white people are worse about things like depression or low self-esteem is likely to be suspicious.
I think it's because in the black community mental illness isn't coddled or seen as cool. If you're depressed you're told to suck it up and shut up. If people like ash had black parents she would have been kicked out long ago. suicide rates for African Americans are on the rise though.
"Suicide rates are almost always lower among blacks than among whites of any age. But the study, published in the journal JAMA Pediatrics on Monday, found that the rate had risen so steeply among black children — to 2.54 from 1.36 per one million children — that it was substantially above the rate among white children by the end of the period. The rate for white children fell to 0.77 per million from 1.14.
It was the first time a national study found a higher suicide rate for blacks than for whites of any age group, noted"http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/health/suicide-rate-for-black-children-surged-in-2-decades-study-says.html?referer=&_r=0
I remember when I wanted to go to therapy my step dad ranted about how only crazy people go to therapists and I shouldn't go and when I got to the therapist they said it'd be 500 for a session and everyone was like "nope"
Also, my mom is crazy and acts like she's confident, she talked to a doctor and he said maybe she should get on medication for her depression but she declined because "that's for crazy people and she ain't crazy".
Don't act like you're dumb, it's not cute or funny.
It can be gleamed that black kids will be a little less likely to get to the point of killing themselves if they have more positive influences, are convinced they can "get" somewhere and generally have good representation in media/are made to feel better about themselves. That obviously won't solve all the problems, but it's something.
If you disagree, you're probably doing so for foolish reasons.>>42769
Literally who is blaming white people in that entire post?
Your victim complex and stormfaggotry are showing.
Are you fucking stupid? Who's blaming Disney?>>42772
How so? All I did was point out facts, and I've blamed no one.
Stop plugging your ears and screaming "STOP BLAMING WHITE PPL!!!" just because you're hearing things you don't like.>>42773
Kill yourself, shitposter
She's saying black kids would feel better if they had more representation but you're not a smart person.
Also, Disney know people want non-white princesses and they want to make money. They care about what kids and moms want, they don't care if someone online thinks having non-white princesses is cultural appropriation.
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yfw even niggers think niggers are gross
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The only people i see complaining about bullshit like "representation in media" have been girls.
Why are girls so insecure they they need their ass kissed 24/7 even in media.
Shit I'm mixed race and I've never once given 2 shits about a fictional character not being the same race as me or whatever. Sure diversity is nice but if you honestly need more fictional characters to look like you so you'd feel better about yourself then you are bat-shit crazy and an insecure sack of shit.
Do humanity(and yourself) a favor and end your life
>>42789>Hurr it's society's fault
If you're weak and insecure to the point where you think society is out to oppress you and call you ugly then you are bat-shit crazy.
Nobody gives a fuck about you snowflake.
>no representation on tv = u r ugly
That's clearly the logical direction to go with that.
Too bad such logic doesn't cut mustard with e.g. the freaks on TLC, Jeremy Kyle, embarrassing bodies etc. But I guess chav- and trailer-trash are ~*~beautiful~*~ because they are on TV.
Nice weasel word.
So literal seven year olds who would be happy to see someone who kinda looks like them in cartoons and movies are now "insecure snowflakes"? I think you need to get off lolcow, it's clearly fucked up your perspective on others (though it was probably pretty shit to begin with).
Like I don't give a fuck about Disney personally, I just don't see any problem with little black (or Maori) kids having representation. If it makes them happier, why the fuck not? It's just a movie.
Tumblr womanchildren who get their panties in a knot and are obviously supporting it for ultimately selfish reasons are definitely creepy, but to write it off as the only reason anyone would have to support this sort of thing is just fucking stupid and you should feel bad.>>42793
This doesn't just happen for no reason. It's not even a weasel word at this point.
I don't think kids give a shit what race a character is i certainly didn't and my role.
Your argument is retarded and is just a projection of your own insecurities. When i was a kid i was watching bugs bunny trolling the shit out of a nigger duck i didn't give a fuck that james hawkins(treasure planet) was white or that Cloud from FF7 was jap with blonde hair. They were cool characters and i liked them for their personality. Not their race.
>>42795>I don't think kids give a shit what race a character is i certainly didn't and my role.
Then why is there shit like the video I just linked to? Magic? Please. Just because you don't go through shit doesn't mean nobody else in the world does, and to even go by that line of thinking makes you sound like a narcissistic, solipsistic cunt. >I don't think kids go missing, I certainly didn't>I don't think kids get hurt really badly physically or mentally, I certainly didn't>I don't think kids scrape their knees, I certainly didn't>I don't think kids eat stuff they shouldn't be eating, I certainly didn't
Shitty logic. >Y-Y-You're just projecting your own insecurities
Okay. Let's say this is true. If it were, why would I want a Disney princess? Why not a black female president or something even slightly more tangible than a cartoon character?>[a bunch of random shit about your childhood and what cartoons you watched] They were cool characters and i liked them for their personality. Not their race.
Cool, no one cares. The fact is that kids who are already basically made to feel a certain way about themselves would probably feel better if they were told for even a second that there's nothing "bad" or "ugly" about them. You can't deny that.
There's no point in arguing. They know the point you're trying to get across.
Anyway I wouldn't have even known about this new Disney princess if I didn't see it on here, how old are you people?
That's cause the "geek scene" is still largely white.
I live in the south and you do see a few every now and again.
I alwasy love concept art.
I think Disney is just going through a phase right now.
libtard propaganda. I can also promise a kid candy and film it picking up the doll i told it to pick up and say the words i fed him before i started filming. Kids don't see race. If they do it's a side affect of bad parenting. Not society oppressing you.
>Okay. Let's say this is true. If it were, why would I want a Disney princess? Why not a black female president or something even slightly more tangible than a cartoon character?
Because then you'd seem like a crazy sjw or some shit. Like i said diversity is great and everything but it''s not so great when you're forcing it into a kids movie because "muh society oppressing us poor black folks".
>The fact is that kids who are already basically made to feel a certain way about themselves would probably feel better if they were told for even a second that there's nothing "bad" or "ugly" about them. You can't deny that.
Ok but nobody is telling these kids that there is anything bad or wrong with them this is just more projection of your own insecurities and "hurr them whitey's nd de media".
>Tl;dr your argument still looks like a projection of your own insecurities about your own race
>>42802>I-It's totally fake! Libtard propaganda!>Why? Because I say so!
Right. Got any proof?>Kids don't see race
Actually, babies are shown to smile more when they see people of their own race, there are countless news stories of kids getting bullied or victimized ver skin color all the time, kids sometimes say/do racist shit without realizing the gravity of their words (like I've read one story about this guy's kid seeing a black woman, pointing at her and saying "Doggy!"), etc. So no.>Because then you'd seem like a crazy sjw or some shit
Um, no. I'm pretty sure being above the age of like 11 and still caring about Disney princesses makes you proper crazy. Sorry.>it''s not so great when you're forcing it into a kids movie because "muh society oppressing us poor black folks".
How is it "forced"? It's just a movie. Disney shouldn't make movies with non-white people now?>Ok but nobody is telling these kids that there is anything bad or wrong with them this is just more projection of your own insecurities and "hurr them whitey's nd de media".
Seems like even if I did prove you wrong (which I basically already did with the study I posted), you'd still spew this shit and insist I must be "insecure" because I'm not crying and shitting my pants over a Disney movie. >>42803
Alright, wise guy. Here's the same study carried out by a student for an assignment.>OMG TTLY EDITED ILLUMINATI LIBTARDS
They're not being pressured. They're business people who want to make money and they want to dip into more pockets. Cry moar.
Are we really going to start pretending like Disney care about true art and not making money? You are a true retard.
You got any proof that it isn't? You're the one making the claim that it's not staged so i'd love some proof from you.
Product of bad parenting. People are gonna point out differences. Animals are gonna exclude animals who are different. Learn to avoid ignorant people maybe?
If it makes you crazy then why do you care so much about what colour a disney princess is in a kid's movie?
>How is it forced?!>WHY AREN'T ARTISTS CHOOSING TO REPRESENT ME THIS IS RACISM HURR HURR OPPRESSION
>I-I already proved you wrong
All you did was show that you're insecure about your own race and want to force people into accepting you rather than winning them over with your own actions and personality.
Only idiots let media dictates what they think i don't really surround myself with idiots who believe whatever is on TV and go by whatever they see.
Maybe hang out with people that can see past race? i don't know i'm honestly just amazed by how insecure most of you anons are
How did i dodge your question? It's forced because people like yourself are demanding to be catered to rather than working and making it themselves. I don't see any other race demand representation.>>42812>They're a business therefore they must do everything i demand
I don't think disney really gives a shit what you want they just make shit for whatever is the latest outdated trend. Can't wait for their new pepe the frog movie
You do care that's why you have been arguing in here.
Do you realize you're an adult arguing about a Disney princesses?
O shocking, Disney is doing something to make more money. Didn't see that coming.
>>42815>You got any proof that it isn't? You're the one making the claim that it's not staged so i'd love some proof from you.
That's….literally not how it works.
What makes you believe it's staged? It looks pretty legit from here. Give me some evidence that calls its validity into question (and no, "I liked Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck as a kid!!1!!1" is not evidence), and then we'll talk.>Product of bad parenting.
I hope you realize that doesn't suddenly make it not racism any more than saying "Oh, my broken leg? That's just a product of not being careful when walking down the stairs" doesn't suddenly make it not a broken leg.>People are gonna point out differences. Animals are gonna exclude animals who are different. Learn to avoid ignorant people maybe?
So, you admit "Kids don't see race" is a retarded statement and that you're wrong?>If it makes you crazy then why do you care so much about what colour a disney princess is in a kid's movie?
Literally all I did was point out that there's nothing wrong with it, and it may make kids of that color happy. You're the one insisting it's "forced" because _______.>WHY AREN'T ARTISTS CHOOSING TO REPRESENT ME THIS IS RACISM HURR HURR OPPRESSION
No one said this, though. You're trying so hard to hide from explaining your shitty reasoning, and it's probably because you know you're wrong, but don't want to admit it.>All you did was show that you're insecure about your own race and want to force people into accepting you rather than winning them over with your own actions and personality.
And now you're just repeating yourself even though I've already refuted this. And what does any of this have to do with me? I'm not suddenly going to be popular and cool just because of a fucking cartoon, and it's because I'm a real human being. I don't get where you're finding this "Oh you're just insecure" BS.
Actually, never mind. At this point, I think I'm talking to a real idiot. When you misinterpret the simple logic behind the phrase "The burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim" or try to twist it to make yourself look better, you lose all credibility in any argument or debate. Next you'll be saying "Gnomes aren't real? Well, give me proof that they aren't! You're the one making the claim".
Fucking embarrassing. Don't bother responding (though you can if you want the last word that badly), I now realize I'm wasting my time. This will be my last reply to you ITT.
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I've got a kind of related by unrelated question (related to race representions in media but not related to disney). I was wondering how other races feel about white people making games, stories, etc with other races represented. Like, I can't pretend to know what being a black woman is like, or asian, etc, but I'd like to make characters of those races as a way of adding representation… but will it be interpreted as phony? I don't like when female characters are basically just male characters but gender swapped. Is there a sentiment like that for different race characters? Like "oh that's just a white character that's been made a different race"
Basically what >>42825
The only complaints would come from bitter bitches who think their experience = everyone else in the entire world who has the same race as themselves' experience. I get called "basically white" all the time even though I'm black and was literally born/raised in Africa, it's retarded.
IMO it's cringier when people who aren't from [x] culture or race try really hard to make things "accurate" and just end up making themselves look like racist knobs who push stereotypes because they actually don't know anything about it.
Yeah see like, I don't wanna be like ~lol I'm coloblind~ cause I know race is a big impact. and I really want to create a story that focuses on female characters, and other races, as just my way of trying to contribute to something. But I am really afraid of writing say a black or asian character and people being like RACIST!!!!11! because I didn't write them a certain way. But I also feels isn't it kinda racist/stereotyping to write different race characters 'a certain way'?
Thanks you for your comments!
Look as long as you do you research about the culture and it's not too stereotypical nobody will care. Look at games like Prince of presia for a good example.
Race doesn't have to impact the character much the characteristics of the character can be whatever you want. Trust me, No normal person will care and the only criticism you'll get will be bitter sjw
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>Disney creative team intentionally trolling sjws
Who said it was? Show me where in that post it reads "This is white peoples' fault". Or "This is [anyone's] fault", really.
Stop projecting your victim complex, thanks.
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You sound like the type of person who thinks gen zed is a great show because trannies
It's a shit show because literally all it has going for it is "representation", and it even fails at that on top of literally everything else. It's an abomination.
Keep strawmanning because you can't admit seeing more nonwhite fictional characters in media irritates you for some reason, though
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Honestly I'm more concerned about the how they will portray polynesian spirituality.
Judging by their portrayal of the demigod (Maui) as a brute with a big weapon.
In actuality he was thin enough stow away in boats,(and thin enough to try climb up though deaths vagina and back out her mouth to achieve immortality) and his enchanted hook was made from his grandmothers jawbone.
The same thing that happened to greek mythology in disneys Hercules is going to happen to (the lesser know)polyesian mythology, only people were familiar with greek mythology and could see through they bs picture disney painted(Hades for example).
I hate to speak the cold hard truth, but she's going to be like Pocahontas and Mulan. Those ones are so intensely focused on RACE and FEMINISM, no one can play with them as actually little dolls or toys. They're too hard to incorporate into a Disney Princess lineup where being traditional and effeminate and disconnected from real world issues is what the story is about. Some of the designers have even said this before.
Black dolls (Even if she's Maori, she's going to be championed as a "POC" and black women will latch onto it) infamously sell horribly. Seriously. They do not break sales anywhere near that of most non-black dolls.
Why? Because "POC" who fight so hard for these and more importantly, SJWs are NOT buying these and putting their money into what they say they will. They know how to whine and NOTHING else. They know nothing about business and sales figures and what people actually buy.
The proof is in the money and sales. Here's the cold hard figures:
>1. Elsa (Frozen): $3,397,816>2. Cinderella (Cinderella): $2,504,259>3. Snow White (Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs): $2,301,831>4. Anna (Frozen): $2,165,120>5. Ariel (The Little Mermaid): $1,483,384>6. Rapunzel (Tangled): $598,056>7. Aurora (Sleeping Beauty): $215,856>8. Merida (Brave): $282,188>9. Jasmine (Aladdin): $253,102>10. Tiana (The Princess and the Frog): $84,882>11. Belle (Beauty and the Beast): $6,867http://time.com/81078/the-most-popular-disney-princess-frozen/
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I only know some Greek mythology from a shit load of bitchin' mythology books I had as a kid but yeah, even at a young age I was displeased with how Disney portrayed Hercules and Hades, because if my memory serves Hades was actually a pretty amicable dude with a sense of compassion and love of the arts, whereas Hercules was kind of an asshole who murdered his own wife and child.
Also picture related if any of you have kids/young relatives BUY. THIS. BOOK. FOR. THEM.
Agreed, no one gives a shit if they're POC or not. Black women will latch on to it, they love having a bitch not white because it's another thing where they can be like "omg yh she black she like us! we going up in da world".
Frozen had the full package, musical, dresses, powers, bonds ect.
I love Disney tbh. I love Pocahontas, Mulan and Frozen. Now that I'm older I appreciate the true stories behind Pocahontas and Mulan. It's only when you get older do you start looking into the back story. Whereas when you're a little kid it's all about dresses, toys ect.
It's the truth.
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literally nobody cares about the only QUEEN that matters. QUEEN KIDA from atlantis.
racially ambiguous and ruler of a mythical kingdom. like fuck
also everyone forgets about the one Disney movie that could possibly placate sjws and that's The Hunchback of Notre Dame
why can't they be honest, they just care about being princesses
Milo is my dream nerd husbando, seriously. I loved Atlantis when I saw it, I think it suffered because the marketing wasn't very focused. Like when Titan A.E. came out (though arguably not as good a film) people saw it was animated, but the more adult elements threw people off, so they weren't sure if they should take their kid to see it or not.
People get confused when they see Disney's name on a movie with no singing and talking animals.
Is this true in all Polynesian cultures? I can only find sources that describe him that way in a Maori context.
No contest on Greek mythology, though.
People actually buy Cinderella dolls? That's news to me, it always seemed like the shittiest Disney movie.
Anyway, if "black dolls infamously sell horribly", how do you explain Tiana dolls selliing better than Belle dolls?
great read. For me it rivals 'the monster at the end of this book' in terms of most influential childrens book.>>43011>Is this true in all Polynesian cultures?
not all but many. Tongan, Hawaiian, Raro-tongan and Maori Mythology deviate relatively little.
It is certainly true for Raro-tongans, and based on the tribal tattoos on disneys Maui, Raro-tongan is my closest guess as to which polynesian culture this film is representing.
What I gathered from that list is that characters who are more interesting were higher on the list.
Belle is pretty boring and tiana was a frog the whole movie so yeah….
Then why are Cinderella and Snow White so high on the list? They're boring as fuck. I have seen so many more girls list Ariel, Jasmine, and Belle as their favorites than Cinderella or Snow White, from when I was a kid in the early 90s to now.
Oh, here's why:>>42970>Here’s how the Disney princesses rank in terms of the amount they’ve earned on eBay since May 2013
Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty came out in the 50s and Snow White came out in the 30s. Their merchandise is probably largely antiques and worth a lot of money – no wonder their numbers are so high. Not to mention they are considered "classic" Disney Princesses, so any Disney Princess merchandise is guaranteed to have at least one of them on it….but that doesn't necessarily mean that the person buying it is a fan of the character.
Are we really surprised that the newest princess/queen (Elsa) would have the highest sales on ebay within the few years she's been around? Same for Anna. I wonder if you could make the same exact argument for any given princess in the years that their movie was released. You talk shit, but I know I had shitloads of Pocahontas and Mulan merchandise in the late 90s and so did my friends.
Also considering the sheer volume of Frozen merchandise, these numbers are not surprising.
It's pretty well-documented that The Princess and the Frog was pretty famously under-appreciated and most people didn't even seem to be aware that it was out. It was not advertised nearly as much as other movies, mainly due to controversy. She was a frog for most of the movie, which pissed off a lot of people. I don't necessarily think that this is a good example of diversity on Disney's part, though I think the movie and the character will be more appreciated as time goes on. That said, the merchandising for that film was not even REMOTELY on the level of Frozen. I don't even think TPatF had enough merchandise to produce those numbers of sales – and I think you could say the same about many other movies starring white princesses (Tangled, for instance).
The 90s were a great decade for Disney as far as nontraditional movies and princesses and diversity, and pretty much ALL the movies had some level of popularity that still stands to this day. The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Aladdin, Pocahontas, Tarzan, Hercules, Mulan, as well as The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast. They were mostly white, yeah, but they were all a departure from the typical Snow White and Cinderella narrative, and people liked it because it wasn't boring.
Beyond that, there are like 15 white princesses and 4 nonwhite ones (pulled these numbers out of my ass but they are somewhat accurate). So yeah, the sales on the white girls are going to be outnumbering the nonwhite ones. Basically, you're saying that because The Princess and the Frog was not popular and Tiana was not a popular princess, then there is no way a black character could ever be successful. If anything the list also shows that white characters like Belle or Merida or Aurora or the ones that didn't even place aren't necessarily interesting either.
This list is kind of useless, but nice try.
I'm the anon that posted that list. Disney is not giving their own sales so this list IS a good indicator. eBay shows both how adult collectors AND parents for their kids so it's a good audience to judge.
In fact, you contradicted yourself. You say "Frozen is modern and new so of course it sold a ton!" Uh, so is Princess and the Frog? Tiana against Elsa and Anna is a perfect way to show if "POC" princesses win against white ones. Frozen wins by a landslide in absolutely every single way. Period. There is no competition. Since you think eBay sales is a bad indicator, here's box office records:
This is Princess and the Frog in the year of 2009, the year it came out:http://www.imdb.com/search/title?year=2009,2009&sort=boxoffice_gross_us,desc
A movie which is supposed to add a new addition to Disney Princess movies is barely 29th in it's prime.
Let's compare this to the new Cinderella, since Cinderella was another princess which also scored high on that eBay list:http://www.the-numbers.com/market/2015/top-grossing-movies
It ranks 7th in 2015 so far and the year isn't even over.
Now, let's finish this with Frozen:http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
Frozen is 8th on the list of highest grossing movies of all time. All. Time.
It doesn't matter if there's like "4 nonwites and 15 whites". All the so-called POC princesses never even compete.
>>43102>Uh, so is Princess and the Frog? Tiana against Elsa and Anna is a perfect way to show if "POC" princesses win against white ones.
Not that anon, but they pointed out that Frozen was marketed to fuck, while PATF just wasn't. Some people didn't even know it was out.
Anyway, Jasmine, Pocahontas and Mulan were POC but their movies sold really well, so I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore.
it also had the added competition of being released within the same timeframe as the second twilight movie, 2012, and avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time.
frozen was released within the same timeframe of catching fire and the hobbit, but it had way more advertisement to push it + the snow theme fits the season + catchy songs = huge box office success.
princess and the frog, big hero six, wreck it ralph, and tangled all got shafted when it comes to how it was advertised, in comparison to frozen.
I think there was an Atlantis TV show that aired for a bit? Ah, nope just the sequel.>Due to the film's lackluster box office performance, Disney quietly canceled both a spin-off television series and an underwater attraction at its Disneyland theme park>>43014
Honestly you're probably not going to get much more than generic "polynesian" culture.
T H I S
Disney already has prominent PoC characters. Esmeralda, Kida, Jasmine, Tiana, Pocahontas, Mulan probably more that I forgot. Jasmine, Pocahontas and Tiana (and Mulan sometimes as well) are a part of the official Disney Princess line. Moana will be too.
The truth is, the SJWs will forget about this in a second after the worst hype is over. They don't actually desire more PoC characters, they want to have a chance for self-importance. They complain about not having female main characters, Disney gave them Frozen with one of the main women being a queen. They complain about not having a black princess, Disney gives them Tiana with a PoC Prince I might add. They want another PoC princess, Disney gives them Moana and they're already finding faults with her. They will never be satisfied, it's like a bottomless well in which you can throw water all you want, it will never fill up. It's a complete waste of time to try to cater to SJWs, if you give them something they want, they will find another thing to whine about. Either your depiction of a selected ethnicity isn't good enough (Like the sami debate in Frozen) or your movie is sexist/transphobic/erasing/whatever.
And in the end, they will flock around something lackluster with good-looking white cis hetero guys. All your efforts to be "diverse" and "inclusive" were for naught.
If anything, they hyped the hell out of PatF much more for all the wrong reasons.>look, we really brought back traditional animation! please like us again!>BLACK PRINCESS BLACK PRINCESS BLACK PRINCESS>oh man look at this jazzy soundtrack and amazing characters they're so quirky and diverse and fun A++
Frozen wasn't marketed like that. Tangled did well, but it wasn't over the top. They probably thought it'd do as well as it. They didn't market Frozen as ~special~ and yet it went through the roofs. Frozen wasn't really supposed to add any new big Disney Princesses like normal since Elsa was a queen and Anna was a side character princess, yet they're some of the best selling characters now.
You can argue "the time of year was good!" but seriously, the money keeps rolling in from it. Do you really think there's crossover with little girls watching Avatar and Princess and the Frog? Absolutely not. They just didn't care to see it as much.
People also do not have anywhere near the same desire to buy Tiana merchandise or side characters in the movie. (For example, Olaf sells a lot of merch even if he's not Elsa. No one cares about the firefly or gator character in PatF)
Plus, Frozen is just a better movie. Half the cast in PatF is forgettable while everyone knows every character and sometimes a bunch of iconic lines in Frozen. Nobody quotes or cares about much of anyone in PatF outside of ironically the white girl and the villain.
false. avatar was a historic film event. showings were sold out for weeks. it was hyped as the best 3D film ever. just because it wasn't directly a kids film, does not mean entire families weren't seeing it.
and frozen being "iconic" is moreso due to cultural osmosis than it just being a better movie. if you compare IMDB ratings and rotten tomato scores, frozen is only marginally above PatF.
Rotten Tomatoes: 89%
Rotten Tomatoes: 84%
Also, it being a better film is entirely subjective. I don't like frozen- I only know the songs so well and recognize the characters because they are everywhere, even now, two years after the release of the film. this could have happened with PATF if it achieved the same level of success. Is PaTF perfect? No, the songs are overall weak, with the exception of two. But I don't see how its any better/worse than frozen.
Also, audiences really don't give two shits if a movie is horrible. The Transformers movies make a killing despite everyone hating them.
This argument also extends to big hero 6, which was a fantastic movie that disney gave up promoting 4 months after release. now there is nothing big hero 6 related in the parks or disney stores.
I really enjoyed Frozen to be honest..
But I'm a total loser, so you might want to factor that it.
>>42970>They're too hard to incorporate into a Disney Princess lineup where being traditional and effeminate and disconnected from real world issues is what the story is about.
what is Jasmine
what is Belle
Japan likes white people, so there's that. Elsa is probably top tier design wise with her super pale skin.
That's really all I got though, mediocre movie, with mediocre songs. Try asking a Frozen fan to sing any other song that isn't Let it Go in full, they probably won't be able to.
But I also didn't care for Patf or Tangled, just mediocre films all around. They don't call the golden age of disney the golden age for nothing.
What made me kek was when people went mad because Frozen wasn't "they used white ppl agen".
I'm not even white and it's common sense. The movie takes place in fuck knows what era (a long time ago obv), in Norway where MOST people would have been white lol and the average woman is probably aryan. Thus being a snow queen… I think elsa being pale and fair kinda suited the role lol.
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Then again I think Peachymilktea did it well too.
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she pulls it off fairly well
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I wish Gracie gold would cosplay as elsa tbh because I actually think she has the "features" for it. Peachy and Gracie are the only two I think who look like the character.
More like EVERYONE in Norway who actually lived there where white. Norway is a really fucking far off location and it's very cold and there really wasn't much reason to travel there, usually, Norwegians travelled south if there was going to be business.
It's not until like, very recent history that Norway started having a non-white population, I would know because half of my family were immigrants and the native Norwegians were shocked and appalled when brown people started living in their neighbourhoods some 40 years ago.
I mean, I'm mixed and it did my fucking head in when black people complained about Frozen not using more poc. But it IS in some fuck knows what era yons ago, I doubt slavery had even taken place yet and Norway is cold lol.
I mean say for e.g they did a movie called "Melted" and it was about a fire queen. If the location was say India because hotter location, it being set back in a time (lol or even now) where women really did have little to no say and could be killed for being wise or having 'powers'. Fire theme because it'd be red and that red meshing in more with darker skin tone, fabrics, dress style ect.
It's just what fits basically.
I mean I know someone drew Elsa being black… and it's good art! Don't get me wrong I thought it was pretty. But… there is no blacks in fuck knows what century Norway, maybe some strays or something but definitely no black royalty. I mean c'mon.
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What irked me about this art was the hair. If she's black then why is her hair brown and loose? Realistically Elsa would have had an afro or something.
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Anyone else bothered by the fact that Elsa eyes took up 95% of the space on her face?
Real people do not look like this. I wish they would have made her eyes look like a real girls eyes so girls won't have low self esteem about their eye size. Also, frozen takes place in the 1800s, why does elsa do her makeup like an ice skater from the early 90s? I doubt many people wore makeup then, it would have been more realistic if she wore no makeup. Don't even get me started on the clothes they were wearing, 100% historically inaccurate and unrealistic. These are the movies we let our children watch?not me
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More examples of elsas eyes. What 21 year old woman has eyes this big?
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History doesn't matter to SJWs. Scandinavia was 100% white up until like 1980 or so it makes sense that there are no black people in Norway set in the 17th century.
Reminds me of that one American SJW throwing a bitchfit over a game set in the medieval Czech Republic (Kingdom Come: Deliverance) and how it only has white characters and no PoCs, trying to represent "proof" that the 14th century Czech Republic had plenty of black people in the form of a painting done of a fucking African queen in Africa, only the painter was Czech. The person developing the game was actually a native Czech himself and too bad eastern Europeans don't really give a shit about your precious western social justice after having to deal with soviet bullshit, so the developer pretty much told the SJW to fuck off. For this stunt, he got loads of hate and shit flung at him. He didn't care though, and that's what you should do. Not care what a loud minority is demanding because no matter how hard you try to please them, they will NOT be satisfied. It's your artistic interpretation and you have every right to make it look like whatever you want.
But seriously though, imagine growing up in a soviet country that actually doesn't allow you free speech like the Czech Republic in the 1980's. Then 20 years later some asshole from overseas, grown up in a very modernized western country, starts telling you to take responsibility for actions THEY made in their history and cater to THEIR agenda. >>43325>>43328>>43332>>43334
Are you done with your sperging? If so, get back to tumblr you underage cunt.
>hurr y brave have no blacks but it has talking bears?>lol white people reality XD
God forbid a film or comic or game or whatever be made based exclusively on a certain nation's mythology, while trying to remain vaguely "historic" about it.
Also, true to Tumblr's eternally contrarian style, even if the filmmakers did put in to Brave or Frozen, say, an Arab trader, then they would probably tear him to shreds for being a diminutive caricature or an example of white-washed cultural appropriation or some shit.
This is literally like saying that Mulan was racist because it had talking dragons, but no white people in it, even though in China at that time there were actual native white Europid people in the west of the country.
I agree, it isn't doing shit at all.
It bugs me when they cry "I want a gay princess" like oh for fucks sake
I'm not saying that but you think youre smart and edgy trying to argue about the historical accuracy of a children's movie. 90% of the events in frozen would have never happened in reality but who cares, it's not real. In real life I have never met anyone complaining about all the characters in frozen being white. You sounds just as dumb as the tumblr sjw's you're so obsessed with.
People like you just want to suck the fun out of everything and make it serious.
>but you think youre smart and edgy trying to argue about the historical accuracy of a children's movie.
It's not "accuracy", it's authenticity.
If you are going to mix different peoples with a certain other people's culture and folklore, then it devalues the folklore, and just becomes another derivative mix-n-match piece of garbage such as Frozen was. If you're going to throw in blacks into Medieval Scotland, then what's really to stop you throwing in shit like Amaterasu or Isis and Djinnis? You've already broken a fairly simple and credible link of a people with their culture, so why not throw in other irrelevant stuff too?
>You sounds just as dumb as the tumblr sjw's you're so obsessed with.
Says the person with the literal Tumblr argument of "Norway didn't have black people but is it true that they had talking snow men?".
Fun fact - Pretending not to be partisan does not make you automatically correct or your points more valid.
For someone who thinks they're smart, you have the worst reading skills.
I don't think there's a problem with all the characters being white, I don't understand you people who seriously get into heated discussions about accuracy in mythical worlds or get angry if someone draws a character sexy or a different race. The best response to sjw's would be "its not real, how about you grow up and stop being worried about movies for children and get a life" but you are just as dumb as them and probably need to take that advice yourself.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Anons can be confusing. I didn't realise you were joking with that other post :(
Also, I really hate the direction this thread took.
1. Do any of you actually know any black people? How many of them really complained about frozen having no black people in it?
2. And even if you don't know any black people, you need to stop acting like tumblr are the opinions of the average black person.
3. This thread is about princess moana, who isn't even black but because she looks slightly black we have to bring black people into the discussion for some reason. If Disney was answering to black people demanding a black princess, why would they not make moana black?
4. Why do you all assume because this princess is not white that Disney is being forced to create her because of pressure?there aren't even many people in America who are of the same cultural background as moana for this to be something that people would demand.
You're all retarded
>If Disney was answering to black people demanding a black princess, why would they not make moana black?
Because Maoris aren't black.
Making her black is ~*~erasing Maori culture~*~.
cos the artist said "I drew elsa and anna as black women"
and no black isn't mixed and mixed isn't black
no slave mentality tyvm
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So what?elsa isn't real.
O look a white woman cosplaying princess Tiana. It's the end of the world because someone of a different race is representing a black cartoon character for kids.
When you argue about these things it's stupid and you sound just like those tumblr sjw's who get mad about the same shit.
>>43350> You've already broken a fairly simple and credible link of a people with their culture, so why not throw in other irrelevant stuff too?
How does including other races/cultures "break a link of a people with their culture"? Mulan would still have been Chinese and based in China if there was a cast of Euro characters at some point during the movie.
Lmao you're mad as fuck
To be fair, this is just the natural reaction to Tumblr's sustained hypocrisy about what they want in pop culture.
>movie set in god-knows-when Scandinavia with all-white people cast
omg where is the diversity? white-washing, erasing etc.>movie set in ancient New Zealand
YAAASSSSSS BLACK EXCELLENCE TAKE THAT BECKYS WE DISNEY NOW
I can see why people think this, but it's not correct and just adds to the problem.
No, it wouldn't have happened in real life, but it takes place in a real place, the characters have defined nationalities, "Arendelle" is a real location.
Frozen had a LOT of mistakes, and none of them were the exclusions of African Americans. Because that's what the complainers want, African AMERICANS.
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Zendaya apparently will play Ariel. Thoughts?
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Racism! Cultural appropriation!
Ariel is supposed to be Danish!
Why? Ariel isn't supposed to look like some average bronze skinned instagram ho which is exactly what Zendaya looks like if you didn't know she was an actual celeb. >>286136
Pic is cute
Is there conformation for this? All the headlines I've seen just say it's a rumor.
I don't care who they cast, but I can see them not casting anyone brown in a main role because China is their second most important market and they don't like black people.
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can you not tell that that picture is heavily shooped with some HDR bullshit on top of it? zendaya, without instathot styling, still looks youthful bc has wide features and a wide face. imo, the instathot makeup on her looks stupid bc she does look young and doesn't have super chiseled features. she's perfectly youthful looking enough. she's just not that pretty, or nearly as pretty as the cartoon ariel. she's kind of dweeby looking, plus, she's not fully white, so people are going to flip
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I agree, anon. They should've used someone more doe-eyed and cutesy, like pic related or even Amandla Stenberg.
Her red hair is iconic and vital yo her design. My main issue is that I doubt her bright red would suit Zendaya, if they made the overall colour scheme more toned down and made the red less bright it might be a good compromise though.
I thought Zendaya was crazy pretty in Greatest Showman so I wouldn't complain. But I mean, it seems like they're just making it harder on themselves by not casting someone who blatantly, obviously looks like Ariel.
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Agreed. Not a steven universe fan but it would be like a white actress playing garnet (pic related) whose characteristics are, well, “black”. Even if she’s ~technically~ an alien, it’d be weird. Ariel has white characteristics and it makes no sense for some black instathot with sitcom-level acting skills to be casted in this role for any purpose other than ~wokeness~
Only white people can naturally have red hair, it just looks super unnatural on others.
On another note: "skin as white as snow" somehow also no longer means that snow white was white…https://jezebel.com/5858448/why-are-the-new-modern-interpretations-of-snow-white-so-white
I don't mind Zendaya but imo she doesn't fit the role at all.
The little Mermaid is a fairy tale by a danish author released in the 1800s. There is no reason to cast her other than to be able to say ''look how diverse we are!''.
I think non-white and biracial people should have more media representation but I'm not sure if this is the right way to do it.
The princess and the frog is a traditionally german fairy tale as well but disney at least did a clever spin on it that made sense.
Since this is supposed to be a live-action remake of the original animated movie, it's so obvious that they only chose her for ''wokeness'' brownie points.
Ariel is supposed to be a naive 16 year old, not a sexual instathot. She won't be able to believably portray Ariel's personality.
Even this girl's face >>286292
looks more believable and she could potentially handle the red hair. Her skin has more cool undertones that could handle bright red. Zendaya already looks orange so she just looks weird with the red.
Lol posting in 2 threads about the same thing
Our issue isn't the movie itself, it's the wokeness
that gets shoved into everything nowadays.
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People from all races can be born with red hair, it's a genetic mutation that's most common in white people but pops up all over the world.
>>286539>>286421>Why Are The 'New, Modern' Interpretations Of Snow White So… White?
This entire site reeks of American entitlement and ignorance. The author know nothing about what she's talking about. Hell, she didn't even bother to spell the original German name of Snow White properly. Takes like two fucking seconds to look that up.
These are the same people that scream ''Cultural appropriation!!!'' when a white girl wears hoop earrings but demanding european culture and history to be altered for the sake of muh diversity is okay?
I can't believe people genuinely take this seriously…
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I guess we have different understandings of what counts as red…>>286566
Especially since Snow White is is very likely based on a real girl who suffered a lot; doesn't that make "culturally appropriating" her even worse according to sjw? lol
I was referring to the first part of that anon's post replying my post >>286499
of a black girl with ginger hair.
Her hair is actually a brighter shade of red than mine and I'm ginger by every metric there is.
It's a decent country and not to sound arrogant, but I have really nice hair. What's your point?
>But it doesn't matter anyways, since Ariel was drawn as redhaired and white.
She's also drawn as an inhuman mermaid.
I'm going to guess there's more to this than your eyesight. Ariel was my favorite Princess as a child and I could not give less of a fuck about who plays her in what is bound to be a shitty movie and I don't understand why there are adults who do.
If you go on youtube you can find thousand comments of black people praising the choice of using poc actresses, who call anybody a racist for disagreeing with them, there are articles that demand more poc actresses (in originally white roles) and so on. If there wasn't a demand, nobody would make those decisions.
And if these white directors cast a white actress for a poc role, it's also poc (and some white sjw) who get angry. It's the double standard that rightfully pisses many of.
Besides, one could argue that a large amount of the hollywood elite is actually jewish, not white… and people also do get angry at them.
Anyways, as a child Snow White was always my favourite movie, so I'm excited who's going to play her in the new adaption.
Be pissed at the white directors who want to attention whore and cause a scene by casting someone not white. Don't take it out on all black people lol
Most roles for black female characters are played by white passing mixed girls and no one gives shit that's why they keep doing it.
>>286421>>286673>Only white people can naturally have red hair,
This is wrong, factually. Anyway, Ariel's hair isn't "naturally occurring" red, it's fire hydrant/tomato ketchup/Manic Panic/alt girl red. This is because she is a cartoon character, a mermaid and her nationality is Atlantican, not any country in Europe. She has no race, and at no point in the Disney movie is being white actually relevant to anything. She could be Asian, brown, white or even black. It's up to the interpretation of the producers.>it just looks super unnatural on others.
This is just subjective.
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>>286160>I can see them not casting anyone brown in a main role because China is their second most important market and they don't like black people.
Black Panther also didn't do too well in China, so I wonder whether Disney would risk that happening for woke points…
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But actually, why do you care? Disney made a version of Cinderella where Cinderella was black, the prince was Asian and there were other racial liberties taken in 1997, and nobody reeee'd. It's literally just a movie. Whose life will be ruined? Whose childhood destroyed?
Besides, black girls have to deal with roles written for 100% black girls being given to biracial girls constantly.
Lmao she's literally off-white
If that's being harsh idk what to tell you
Maybe people from the European countries these fairy tales hail from just don't like it if some Americans make money of them, change up the story lines, want to place non white people in medieval, baroque or whatever settings and on top of that call you racist for pointing out that there were no black people in Europe until a short while ago etc.
And no, "it's not real! she's just a fish!" doesn't change anything; if you want to keep all the other historical details, then please this as well.
Nobody here was bashing black women to begin with. People pointed out how zendaya is completely unfit, since everybody imagined ariel to look like she did in the original movie and then randomnly you decided to feel offended by this, defended her by saying it doesn't matter and now try to make it into a "everybody always bashed black women" issue. Nobody in this whole thread ever said black girls are ugly, so quit saying we're all racist white girls.
Being red, pale and freckled is something kids get bullied over, so why can't you let them have their "representation"?
NTA, but it just strikes me as very womanchild-ish for grown women to be mad about a Disney movie's casting, honestly. It's for children. Fairy tales are not important history, they're stories for kids. If a live action version of Anansi stories (aka African children's stories about an anthropomorphic spider) was made by Tim Burton with a white guy cast as Anansi, I wouldn't be mad. I'd think it was an interesting concept since I grew up hearing/reading Anansi's tales, and maybe go see it. You just sound oversensitive to be this bothered.
After the Spiderman thing came and went, I'm convinced Zendaya just collects money from making low-key racists mad. It's hilarious how all these anons are falling for it, and will probably go pay to see the movie so they can complain about it on Twitter or something. >Being red, pale and freckled is something kids get bullied over,
Biracial kids with red hair, pale skin and freckles exist too, you know. That's not a white-only struggle, and Zendaya looks pretty white anyway, so I don't see how that would erase that representation.
Except SJWs aren't behind this movie. It's the same studios owned by white older men that cast Scarlett Johanssen as Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost in The Shell, or that one no-name white actor as Light Yagami from Death Note, or Amandla Stenberg as the 100% black girl from The Hate You Know.
Why are you mad at random black and brown people on the internet for what white producers with money do? If they want a non-white Disney princess, they'll have one, see >>286842
. I don't think SJWs time traveled and forced Disney execs to cast Moesha as Cinderella or Whitney Houston as a fairy godmother at gun-point.
>>286888>Fairy tales are not important history, they're stories for kids
Andersen fairy tales are a real cultural treasure and they deserve to be treated with respect. But I bet you dgaf cause fuck white people, right? Plenty of wise people wrote about the cultural importance of fairy tales, I recommend you educate yourself before you open your mouth.
Obviously the Disney version of Little Mermaid takes many liberties to make the story less bitter-sweet and spiritual. The mermaid was a metaphor for Andersen feeling like an outsider due to homosexual love being forbidden and socially unacceptable, not just some fantasy fishgirl.
Andersen tales are usually pretty sad and morbid, but you wouldn't know that if all you know is Disney. Making the protagonist half-black is another point on the list of bullshit changes to appeal to Americans.
I wish we someday got the Little Mermaid movie we deserve, animated or otherwise. The Japanese version is ok but too disneyesque (ironic, since it was first) and cuts the spiritual ending. Need to see the Russian one to judge.
I really hope you're not trying to convince me to consider a fucking Disney movie as an important tenet of white culture, because you'd honestly just be proving all the "White people have no culture!!1" trolls right, lmao.
No one is rewriting the original story and adding "btw she was half black, not an Atlantian mermaid", it's a remake of a remake that omitted important plot points, like the mermaid turning into seafoam. That sort of thing should be what really pisses you off and puts you off anything related to it if you're so wrapped up in its integrity, but I guess a fictional mermaid not looking exactly like a 100% European white woman is the really important thing. /s
Read my post again. Andersen = / = Disney.
You stated that fairy tales are not culturally important cause they are for babies. If you meant cashcow Disney movies, I agree, but you should have worded that better.
Getting back to the topic of PoC in movies: people here in Eastern Europe laugh every time Americans pull of something like black Ariel, black muses from Hercules or whine about no PoC in Witcher (not that there couldn't be according to the novel lore, but I digress): everything has to reflect the American society, even when the story takes place in Greece or the game was made in a ountry half world away. I get now that it's for representation or ~wokeness~ but it might seem really self-centered for someone who is not aware why Americans shove Black people everywhere whether it makes sens or not.
On the other hand I will accept PoC (so not only Black actors, sorry) being casted as anyone from the Santa Claus to the King of Russia if it ends the autistic sjw screeching.
>>286907>You stated that fairy tales are not culturally important cause they are for babies.
In the sense that it's dumb as fuck to be upset about casting in a movie adaption from another country, ie something that doesn't affect the original in any significant way? Yes, absolutely. Maybe I should have worded it better, and for that I apologize.
Otherwise, what are you upset about? That kids of the future will start thinking of the mermaid as looking like a biracial teen girl, much like they think of her as having red hair and not meeting a tragic end? Oh, how horrible.
Some people have war in their countries, anon. >here in Eastern Europe
So, you're not even from the origin country of the story, and it's not even remotely "your" culture? I still don't understand why you are upset. Just don't see the movie if the artistic liberties of America are so horrifying to you. No one is dying. It's not illegal for cartoon characters in the US to have brown skin. They are cartoons
. It's childish to let it worry you.
the disney version is quite different from the original and I guarantee 80% of the general public outside of danish people don't even know that the original story exists, and the disney version lacks a valuable message, imo (it was still my favorite disney movie as a child and holds a special place in my heart). the original story is obviously too dark for an animated movie for kids.
honestly if you're so concerned with preserving danish culture you should probably worry about the plethora of shitty sequel and prequel movies they've created, any nod to danish culture and underlying themes of forbidden sexuality were lost long ago. not lack of representation for pale people with red hair and freckles.
And Aladdin was full of 80's pop culture references that would not have existed in it's setting, but hey, let's stop and seriously discuss inaccuracies in casting.
The great thing about an adaptation is you can do whatever you want and that's exactly what Disney does. Their job is to entertain children and if they think a gospel choir in a Greek story or a Jazz interpretation of a German story would be fun, fuck you, it's happening. If it bothers you so much just watch movies from your own shithole.
They just don't want the pale white princesses they self insert as to be ruined for them. That's really what it comes down to kek
It's hard for people to relate to those who look different from them. It's easy for some 30 something femcel to Imagine she's the pretty white girl then it is for her to self insert as some mixed chick. For kids it won't really make a difference because they aren't they aren't super aware of race yet and zendaya doesn't look that black for them to notice a difference.
As a white girl, it’s less about that for me (I always thought Ariel was overrated. She was selfish and had the IQ of moldy cheese) but the fact that racebending a white or white appearing character seems like such a half assed attempt at adding more diversity in media. I didn’t mind it at first but it’s done a lot now. I don’t get really spergy over it but I feel like it’s taking the short cut and still patting yourself on the back for a job well done. I feel like producers, writers, etc should push for already established POC characters for more media representation instead. I know it’s less realistic and Hollywood doesn’t exactly work like that but at least that option has more integrity imo.
That’s how I feel and I don’t claim to speak for anyone else.
yea no one's arguing that tho and idt anyone would be upset with that criticism. it's when the criticism is BUT MUH TRADITION or some shit>>286981
i like the anons complaining that red hair won't look good on her as if there aren't stylists that will figure that out…almost as if it's their job, and not anon's.
I like how (Black?) anons come up with imaginary scenarios why people don't like the fake woke Ariel. kek
Yeah sure, it's about us being femcels and needing to see the white girl get the man cause it never happens to us in real life and we cry into pillow about our loneliness. Where do people get the forever alone farmer idiocy? Pretending farmers are the female copies of 4chan robots doesn't make it any more true.
Also aren't Black women always crying on the net about 'their' men running off with white chicks? kek
Maybe that's why you are so happy about being able to see yourself in a pretty mermaid princess who gets the men. ~Representation matters~ uwu
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She's so conceited man. It's funny because Bella Thorne whom she had a show with would be perfect to play Ariel if she hadn't become degenerate.
Kek agreed, reading this>They just don't want the pale white princesses they self insert as to be ruined for them. That's really what it comes down to kek
made me roll my eyes. Oh no! My 2D husbando, prince eric, with.. a black
? I can no longer live vicariously through disney princesses, like every white girl does! My life is ruined.
I don't see a problem with this, honestly. She's half-white. That's 50% of her ancestry.
If black people have to deal with getting lumped in with biracial people, it won't kill the white race to have one pale biracial girl in some movies.
Kek, those types always default to "Something something we take all the black men!!" as if the world isn't literally full of black people reproducing, or like any farmer (black or not) would actually feel entitled or protective of any men.
I bet that anon is the type to get in her feelings and yell about plastic surgery if someone says "Asian girls are pretty", too.
Tell it to the Black feminists/women that write essays about how they support their men but they do not do the same for them and find white women 'better'. Maybe they have internalized racism, maybe they have a reason to be pissed about it. They do seem to think that there is no Black community cause the men dgaf about them.>>287035
Lol you amerifags always think that all Eastern Europe is Russia. Besides, I literally grew up with those fairytales. They are much more part of your culture than yours.
I don't see how you debunked my points by screaching about muh american adaptation. I'm entitled to my opinion and seeing super woke half-Black Ariel as another shit aspect of the adaptation. While I enjoy Disney from time to time, it's sad that so many children do not know the real stories, just the sugary, technicolor bullshit.
I think you are on the wrong site if you don't like people seeing through the SJW pandering.
Go to tumblr to celebrate another acomplishment for the PoC community kek >>287042
Try harder, your assumptions are really off the mark. But whatever makes you feel better, I guess
>>287053>implying I'm American
Oh, okay. Not Russia, just some other, far less relevant shithole. Watch your own movies, I guess. America does not depend on you.>G-G-Go back to Tumblr
Caring about casting in an American children's film is some real Tumblrina womanchild shit, and >>286981
is obviously spot on. No one else gives a shit. The mermaid was never given an official race, and it's irrelevant to the story what she looks like. Maybe you need to head on back to your blog, no one here cares for your tears.
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Is like to add that most roles for black women are played by mixed girls and you don't see us whining about it. Storm is a dark skin black woman played by a almost white mixed girl, amandla stenberg was supposed to play the role of the little sister in black panther but she turned it down.
No one cares when it happens to us so I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care now lol
Going by everyone else's logic it's ok for them to play roles meant for black women because there half black so the same should apply to them playing roles for white girls. Mixed girls are a way to promote things as woke while still maintaining the pretty white girl image, it only makes sense that they'd start replacing white girls in movies because it makes sjws happy and most people find mixed girls cute because they're black enough to be exotic but white enough where they're not scary.
>>287035>a filthy MIXED actress
Stop accusing us of shit nobody ever said here.
Multiple anons posted their reasons why they think Zendaya isn't a good choice, yet all you do is accuse us of being racists who think of black people as lower - which nobody did.
You sound pretty insecure. Most white people don't think of black people as ugly, yet you continue pushing that narrative.
Deny it all you want, but fairy tales that are centuries old are some sort of culture and therefore also important to some Europeans. If sjw argue that hoop earrings are hispanic culture then some stories from 1800 or even older are culture as well. Pointing this out has got nothing to do with all of us being old femcels.
If that wasn't your reason, the quote was obviously not directed at you. A hit dog hollers.
I never said anything about black people being "ugly" either. Not sure if you're confusing me with another anon, or just projecting.>Deny it all you want, but fairy tales that are centuries old are some sort of culture and therefore also important to some Europeans.
The only confirmed European ITT is from a culture that has absolutely no relation to the original story, but nice try. >If sjw argue that hoop earrings are hispanic culture then some stories from 1800 or even older are culture as well.
Who cares what SJWs think aside from people with the same mindset?>Pointing this out has got nothing to do with all of us being old femcels.
Oh, so you're just SJWs, but with your logic the other way around. That's so much better. /s
Yeah but that doesn't stop you all from grouping mixed girls in with black women, now you want to have a fit because they're being grouped in with whites. One drop rule, she has white blood which means she's white. She's not black she's mixed. If anything she's more white than black.>>287066
Going by that logic then you should have an issue with an American white gurl playing the role too kek
White American ancestry = European ancestry
Black American ancestry = African ancestry
Culture is different, but genetics don't lie. Sorry.
No black person ITT has called Zendaya black, only angry white reverse-SJW anons pushing the one drop rule. We've all been pointing out that she is literally 50% white, so there should be no problem for the European heritage side of things.
I don't think she's a good fit, either, though. Both she and Bella Thorne are too hard-faced. Yara Shahidi or Amandla would've been better.
But I don't understand. She's not going to bother people in Denmark, she's acting in an American-made adaption of another American-made adaption. She's just reconnecting with her European roots while still showing love for being American-born.
Why don't you want people to be happy with their culture? Are you an SJW?
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Her features look pretty soft without the instathot makeup. I think they could make her look cute.
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This is probably an old pic, but she looks so pretty when she's fresh-faced, not gonna lie. Hopefully they go light on the makeup.
Not even invested in this Disney argument, but they don't have American heritage either unless they're Amerindian. Since I imagine you wouldn't consider a black girl whose parents were born and raised in Sweden to have Swedish heritage.
So what are they?
ITT american admitting they have no culture.
This is why SJW can get away with saying white people have no culture in America.
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Wrong, she's actually German, Irish, English and Scottish! kek
Not that anon (or even American), but modern culture is basically American culture. You piggyback off Americans every day. Every time you slip on a pair of jeans, wear certain fashion or listen to jazz or rock, you are celebrating American culture. It's multiracial and globally expansive.
You cannot escape this fact with memes.
I was talking about her mother, Zendaya is even more.>>287119
Jeans were actually founded by a German guy lol Also, not everybody likes your music.
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She has the option to do both because she's mixed. if she wants to embrace her European side she can and if she wants to embrace her African side she can. The one drop rule is bullshit, she's not black. She's basically just a tan white girl.
I'm actually not just "American" I'm of the aforementioned Aboriginal descent
and in the end somewhat agree.
Some Americans are such a mix of things, even just European ancestries, that they have no single heritage to look back to and might as well embrace the current culture. Which, while flawed, has some neat contributions like >>287119
It's a bit complicated for people of, say, exclusively French ancestry though. I imagine there are certain traditions that would have been passed down since the first gen of immigrants in their family. But clearly they have also integrated and created somewhat of a culture of their own. I know this something big in Canada.
I'm not American, just playing devil's advocate, lmao. And I'm pretty sure no one thinks of Germany when they see jeans. Maybe liederhosen.>>287121
Why not use gifs from your culture, anon? Do your people not make gifs?
No one attributes either of those things to anyone but Americans (and America in itself is multiracial).
Also, the internet was invented by Americans, so you better turn off your router, anon.
>>287129>Levi Strauss was a German-American businessman
Oh, so now
Americans can be European…
So, are you going to sue? Become a terrorist and start dropping bombs on LA for Mother Europa?
Millions of European children and old people love Disney and don't think anything has been "taken" from them, sorry. You're in the spergy, lame minority.
Except she does. She has German and Scottish ancestry. You can not argue with genetics. >Now go put an overweight black woman to play Cinderella if you want to, nobody cares.
Would you be happy if that overweight black woman was born and raised in a European country?
You can't embrace something you have nothing to do with, she has nothing to do culturally with those country or with Europe, therefore she has nothing to embrace. >>287166
You sound like you hate being black.
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I'm going to be honest:
Zendaya is fucking ugly.
I don't care if she's half white or whatever, to me she looks black, so I don't want her to play a white girl, period.
Sorry of that hurts your feefees. But seeing what black posters write in this thread, they already consider all white people racist anyways, so might as well admit it.
Also, unless you're born there, nobody considers you European. "Identifying" with a culture is bullshit.
It's not about culture, as it's an American film. No one is going to Denmark.
Why can't you answer a simple question? Would you be happy if that overweight black woman was born and raised in a European country?
Also, NTA, but pointing out that a mixed person is not your race is actually the opposite of self-hate.
Otherwise, this poster >>287172
must REALLY hate themselves.
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You're on drugs if you think this looks like a black woman kek
>>287172>I don't care if she's half white or whatever, to me she looks black,
So, you're admitting you're trying to use your own fee-fees as a weapon against hard genetics and reality?
I dunno, that sounds very SJW to me.
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Zendaya is racially ambiguous. She doesn't look black at all. Her hair texture and features are closer to white.
If it was a South African who was half-white/half-black playing Mandela, it might actually be fascinating and a refreshing look on race relations. Same goes for Kunta Kinte.
See, when you're not a (wo)manchild, the world looks a lot different. It's funny that you're equating a fictional mermaid and a fictional princess to an actual historical figure and a character based largely on factual circumstances, though. It shows how infantile you really are.
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It always makes me chuckle when white people try to claim these tan white girls with wavy loose curls are black and not white kek
These same idiots would claim Meghan merkle is black.
It's more like you personally are ignorant to African folk tales, didn't care to Google, and are also juvenile enough to mentally equate actual people to fictional characters, because all of this really does mean more to you than you want to openly admit.
The thing is, though, I also wouldn't care if a half-white/half-black person were to play a black children's fairy tale character in an American adaption. This is because I am not a childish loser obsessed with fictional characters. I recommend you try growing up one day.
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Anybody knows this superior non-Disney movie?
I'm glad you've evolved from the "REEEE STOP CALLING US RACIST" nonsense to showing your true colors.
It was never about the culture. I hope Zendaya and other mixed women continue appear in the American media you're so tsundere about and make you cry even more.
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It's not my problem if people are racist and immature and don't want to be associated with mixed people. Just stop claiming that these tan white girls are black because it's getting ridiculous that in 2018 the one drop rule is still a thing. You've got to be blind to look at this woman and tell me she looks black.
Genetics =/= culture.
You already admitted here >>287180
it's not about culture. This can only mean it's genetics that are the driving point. And Zendaya's genetics reflect European ancestry.
This is reality.
Why? The original story never describes Cinderella's appearance in detail.
In fact, the "declined" Disney version is what explicitly made her thin, white and blond.
No, why? You said culturally speaking, you would find it retarded.
Cinderella is just supposed to be "a young woman living in unfortunate circumstances, that are suddenly changed to remarkable fortune". What's the problem?
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What about a cute and skinny dark skin black girl playing the part?(someone with features like pic related). I'm sure you would be ok with that as long as they're European :)
I never said "culturally speaking I would find it retarded" and said "I would find it retarded" cinderella is supposed to be pretty I don't find overweight black (or white) women pretty.>>287216
Yeah, I legit don't care about who play Cinderella or Ariel.
NAYRT, but this can be flipped on you so easily:
Just because a European by ancestry wasn't raised in Europe doesn't mean they're not genetically European. Feelings don't have anything to do with facts, you're sounding like a sjw who act like their feelings dictate reality.
>>287239>Genetic is irrelevant
Science disagrees. Reality disagrees. Any learned human disagrees.
Just because you move away from your family doesn't mean you no longer are a part of them.
Yeah? They're from the country they grew up in, obviously asian tend to retain a lot of culture from their original country but they still aren't like the ones who grew up there.>>287242
You are still part of your family but not of that culture.
How are they from Korea if they're born and raised in America?going by your logic they can't claim to be Korean.
I know a Korean adopted by white people and they don't know shit about Korea, nor were they born in Korea…by your argument this person isn't Korean.
Wtf are you on about? I think my point is clear.>>287245
I never said that.
>>287248>I never said that.
So, you have no issue with Zendaya revisiting her European familial heritage by acting in this film based on a European fairy tale. You are allowing her to be a proud European-American woman in peace.
Thank you, we're on the same page.
Yes that' what I'm claiming. If you grew up in America you're american. >>287252>>287253
You are just playing dumb or legit retarded, I'm tapping out.
Only a true retard tries to argue with the reality of genetics, then admits genetic relation still counts as relation, then backtracks on themselves.
You just keep contradicting yourself. European-Americans are allowed to celebrate their lineage, it's their right.
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No, Americans seem pretty proud.>revolutionized old dusty fairy tales so kids from all over the world would love them>cast proud European-American women in their movies >the entire world remains obsessed with their every move, their media and celebrities>American passport privilege>created the internet for ungrateful folks from The Old Countries to shitpost on
Brunhilde and Svetlana can remain pressed and eat their carrots.
These niggas are weird, talking about Zendaya is white and so is Meghan Markle, lmao. Zendaya and Meghan are neither black nor white, they're biracial. Why is this hard for them to understand?>>287255
Anon doesn't get that German-Americans, Korean-Americans exist. They just aren't from their motherlands or whatever, it's just the racial/ethnic difference, and American is a nationality anyway, it's not a race (you know this, I'm just saying).>>287261
YOU TELL THOSE UNCULTURED EURO NIGGERS!! USA USA USA!!!!!!!
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So, Americans can be European. Thank you for understanding. European-Americans are strong and beautiful.
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I believe you now anon, European-Americans are black or biracial people. This European-American dark skinned man (clearly, he is Italian-American) is Zendaya's, white Aryan father.
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Why do you only post 50% of her lineage? That's very disingenuous of you.
Do you think the woman on the left is no longer white or something?
It's funny that you randomly brought up a black person (as if you weren't the one arguing that that man would somehow be more European than >>287289
if he was born in Europe). No one was talking about black people. What is your obsession? We are talking about someone who is 50% European, directly, and is helping tell a European-American story. Did a black kid bully you in school or something?
You should check your obsession with Asian girls, anon.
You are the only one who constantly brings them up. I have no idea what is the triggered
white woman creature you talk about, but it ain't me kek
American culture made by Europeans like Levi Strauss. She is a European immigrant, European by genetic lineage, and her daughter is 50% European.
The only true Americans are Native Americans. Science and reality have backed this up.
I'm not American or European, I'm just relaying factual information.
Take it up with every geneticist on earth. Your feelings don't trump reality, sorry.
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>>287292>Randomly brought up a black person
That's her father. I'm just pointing out that she's biracial, she's not white or black. Where are y'all from? I'm from the south and see biracial girls who look like Zendaya all the time, hell even some who look like Karyn Parsons, whose daughter is mostly white but looks albino. Genetics are really weird in general. >>287289
Her mom is white, but Zendaya is just biracial, not hard to understand. Also, I thought Zendaya was Pacific Islander when I first saw her.
You're the one who's autistic if you're unironically trying to argue genetics aren't real.
This isn't about some faraway ancestor, this is about a direct parent. She is 50% European, like it or not.
You're clearly not living in the real world if you think >>287279
could ever be more European than >>287289
. Genetics do matter, and they are what make you European, Sub-Saharan African, East Asian, etc.
If a white person moves to Japan and has kids with another white person there, those kids are not suddenly Japanese.
>>287314>No they would be japanese if they grew up in japan.
Nope. Japan disagrees, and it's reflected in their laws. Wasn't it you that said "I think the opinion of natives about their own culture and who belongs to it is more relevant than the one of foreigners"?
This isn't mentioning that every geneticist and general non-delusional person on earth disagrees with you, too.
But they would be what then? Nothing? Just because japanese are extremely xenophobic? You think you can claim being from a country you never lived in but that some people are not from the country they grew up in? It doesn't make ANY sense. You are delusional.
And do you have any of those geneticist studies to back up your claims?
>>287318>But they would be what then?
The country/countries their parents are from. That is reality.>And do you have any of those geneticist studies to back up your claims?
Yes. Get any American to take a DNA test, or watch any video about DNA testing. No matter what country the person is from, their lineage percentages will be split into European, African, Asian, etc. It won't be "Brown American", "Blue American", "Pink American". You know why? Because DNA doesn't give a shit if you grew up on a deserted island. You are what you are.
Not a strawman. We've been talking about the movie all this time, and if you didn't care, you would've left long ago, or not gotten involved to begin with. You even slipped and admitted to not liking to with your dumb comparison here >>287186
I already said I'm neither European or American. I'm sitting in my country right now, happily. All I've done is point out the truth as every sane human sees it.
You literally deny reality, even in imageboard posts. It's sad and pathetic.
I am Green-American. Check your privilege.>>287326
There is no such thing as European culture. There is such a thing as European cultures, however.>>287334
Who'd be a better actress than Zendaya to play Ariel anyway? A lot of the mainstream white actresses to me look very manly in the face, or just mature looking in general.
If you can't get how an american born and raised person isn't european you must be severely retarded and nothing can help you.>>287337>There is no such thing as European culture. There is such a thing as European cultures, however.
Yes and being an amerifat isn't part of any of them.
Because of America's historical "one drop rule"
The idea that if anyone in your lineage is black you are black by extension. America has a racist history that people like to pretend it doesn't exist. More at 11.
I think it's from slavery, actually. Black people accepted them because their mothers were usually victims of rape.>>287359
Anon is only thinking culturally. If someone found some African dude's bones in Germany I highly doubt he would be classified as German.
I love it when racist expose their true colors.
Pack it up guys, this thread was shit was the beginning.
Have fun telling every geneticist and established scholar on earth they're wrong because "uwu did those ppl even rly participate in the culture??? uhm…….".
German is German by blood.
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>>287372>Being german is a genetic category.
Lol wtf. That's not a thing anon. It's way more complicated.
Maybe anon means Germanic people in general? That would include Scandinavians and people from the UK too. (Are Celts Germanic tho?) Shit, some more people in Yoorop are Germanic too, forgot all of them though.>>287376
They pray to him every day.
Eurofags online sound like bitter, insufferable cunts.
These superiority complexes are embarrassing. Just go to /pol/ if you want to cry about m-muh cultral 'propriation and circlejerk about how much better you think your shithole is than USA.
>>287438>Thugs walk around with gun shooting people at will
nani? they just kill eachother.
>Killed by their own cops>Random people shoot kid walking in the street
suddenly caring about black people now that you need them to make a point, eh?
>Attack countries, destroy their economy and then leave it for other nation to take care of the mess they made
this isn't bad, this is hilarous. anyways, you really don't know dick about 'murika if you think losing wyoming would be a big deal. I can't wait for the rapefugees to fuck your shit up. in time, you'll be mutts, just like us but with less rights. goodbye autobahn, hello designated shitting highway!
Stop projecting your ideas on me. YOU (or another anon) started sperging that lonely white farmers need to project themselves on the happy love story and that's why they are triggered
over Ariel being (half-)Black. That's why I mentioned Black women whining about interracial couples. Idgaf personally about either white women getting w/ Black men or Asian girls.
hehe, okay, you got me there. I
don't know dick about that whole situation.
If it did it right, it's here >>89438
if I did it wrong try this: >>>/ot/89438
thread, imo, wasn't even that bad, just got derailed with debates and self-hating poc