/ot/ - off-topic

Bait harder.

why do you need a thread for something you are not, with no discussion topic or links provided? It's almost as if you're unfamiliar with the board culture…

I'm not really feminist, but that's because I don't consider myself to be an activist in general.
I don't like to think deeply about things I can't change, it's too depressing.

>>398907
This, basically. I am a pretty non-confrontational person. I do find myself agreeing with and support a lot of the feminist beliefs on here though.

I was a feminist activist for about 5 years and only recently have I grown to notice problems with the modern feminist movement and personally stop associating with it. I don't call myself a feminist anymore, although I'm completely for the equality of sexes and genders. An ex-feminist thread might be a cool idea.

DAE not a feminist and hates scrots?

>>398811

i was a radfem for 6 years and just recently have decided i'm fucking done with it.

i still agree with some of the principles but they're some of the rudest women i've ever known and seeing a young friend i'd made go from being a really sweet kid to a complete asshole pushed me over the edge.

I think building any kind of identity off of how oppressed you are is a mistake and will only lead to greater insecurity and unhappiness. Thinking about how the world is against you all the time isn't healthy.

>>399176
Honestly, the vitriol they have for other women that aren't radfem is too similar to the way that men have hated us forever.

i dislike feminism, mainly because of what it was founded on, it is inherently classist. as for modern feminism, i don't like it either but that's mainly because of how the women act. i don't like the idea that it should be reverse patriarchy. some of my friends just get so pissed off at people they know for "contributing to the patriarchy" when most of us don't have time to think about that kind of stuff. people on the bottom rung should look out for eachother, because none of us can really change the powers at the top.

>>399185
>inherently classist

Don't buy into the myth that all of feminism was only rich women. Poor women worked hard and educated themselves. It's not like poor women would be better off without feminism.

>>399192
Not a feminist but the "dae classism" argument is retarded. Every single liberation movement is typically concocted by those who have the means to allocate brainpower to philosophy.

It's always the dumb-ass communists who make that argument too, like their ideas weren't started by people like literal bourg Marx and literal prince Kropotkin.

>>399193
soooo true anon

>>399193
It's upsetting to see such anti-intellectual arguments like muh classism. Of course the educated people of the time will contribute massively to an ideology. That's kind of the point.

I feel in the same boat of other anons in ITT, I like feminism and I can agree with a lot of the things both radfems and libfems say(though not the sexpositive, pro-porn stuff, or the stuff that is all about trannies) but I am a lazy sort of person that isn't very prone to activism.
I have a qualm with some of the radfem posters, they will call you a tranny for liking kawaiishit but I am a biological woman! Just a tacky one.

>>399255
Are you the catgirl sub anon? If yes than sorry, I relate to liking tacky stuff. Never had any interest in catgirls (or boys) or kittenplay and the fact that trannies are obsessed over the concept forsome reason ruined it for me.
In general, I hate when people say that random feminine thing is troon like. Stop agreeing with them when they take our stuff!(yes, I now I am a bit of hypocrite here).

>>399234
that's not what it means when people say that, but whatever. none of us are on a level of discussion that actually matters. all of our shitty opinions are just childs play in the real world.

>>399274
I am not the catgirl sub, but I do like stuff like cat ears and am on the same page as you. It's annoying how trannies took a huge run with cute weebshit. At best someone assumes you are a shuwu-tier weirdo or at worst a tranny. I also don't like how some anons will call you out for using anime reaction images.
Look r/GenderCritical posters, I appreciate what you do but this is an imageboard and imageboards are inherently weebish.

ITT:
>I don't agree with SOME aspects of a certain sect of feminism so I reject feminism entirely (it's too mainstream anyway)! But I'm totally into *~equality~* though my dudes
Just say you a handmaiden and go

>>399399
Just go back to your man hate thread if you're going to strawman

Yeah certain things bother me. I don't like how there's so much judgment thrown at women who like certain sexual things considered submissive.
It gets tiring hearing all the shittalk from people who have no idea how your relationship works.

I'm not a feminist because I can't be one since some of the things I do are against the feminist ideology, but I do agree with most of the things that radical feminists stand for and I do agree with the things posted in the thread we have on lolcow. Even if the things I did would align better with the ideology I still wouldn't self identify as a feminist because I don't like placing myself into stereotypes and I don't like the misjudgment that comes with it, especially since people perceive feminism negatively.

>>399399
>Just say x and go
Okay retard
You don't have to label yourself as anything to agree with them. I personally do not see myself as a feminist because I'm not active in the community. I don't have the time. I work, I'm a poorfag. I have feminist beliefs and will cheer on activists for their successes.

Slightly OT, I think just being a feminist in general is an earned label, not self given. We all know how BuzzFeed pushes their idea of a feminist… "If you're a woman, you're a feminist! Simple!" Some dumbasses will abuse that label to the ground.

I just found this board and went to the Pinkpill thread, holy shit there are some nutters here

>>399583
I agree, like the nut who went on to throw a tantrum in the pink pill threads about how an anon who was annoyed with sexist comments was a delusional crazy scizo who hallucinated comments to fit some weird pinkpill agenda of sexist comments existing when they could have easily scrolled down and saw the comments themselves just to later gaslight the anon for posting said comments they claimed didn't exist. Some nutters here

>>399583
As crazy as the pink pill thread is, everything there is based on reality. You should be upset with the men who constantly prove so called "feminazi's" right over again and over again. Women have very few places on the internet or in person to vent about men. If we give any criticism towards men, they cry like babies and claim women are the most privileged group in the world because people want to have sex with us.

Even though i agree very much with what radfems have to say, I hate liberal feminism with a burning passion. The sex positivity and fat acceptance movement is disgusting. I hate how young girls are being taught that sex work is cool and quicky, all this whinging about respecting peoples degenerate kinks. It serves to please men and puts women in more danger of rape and sexual assault. I can't call myself a feminist because i don't people to think i am here to defend that shit and all the other negative sterotypes attatched to feminism means nobody wants to listen. It's frustrating.

>>399601
do you think their could be a neutral alternative between radical feminism and liberal feminism
one thats anti-sex work,anti-prostitution,anti-fat acceptance,anti-Troons but I don't know less "mean" I guess a bit more kinder to all people

>>399601
Anon, your post echoes my thoughts exactly. That is exactly why I don't call myself feminist. In my opinion liberal feminism is just men's opinions and desires repackaged and presented as female opinion. It opposes radical feminism to such an extreme it basically serves to nullify the meaning of the word "feminism" completely. Radfems of the past didn't fight so hard for us to think that being degraded by strangers was "empowering" in 2019. Every libfem talking point coincidentally has a result which is pleasing to men, for example free the nipple.
More topless women in public? yes please.

>>399583
Pinkpill is the best thread on here.

I agree with the idea of feminism but I hate calling myself a "feminist" (and being shamed by feminists for not wanting to identify with their ugly little label) because, while I agree with certain points they make and share some general opinions, I feel like the way they go about voicing them is annoying and counterproductive. Feminists don't only get a bad rep for saying stupid or obnoxious things imo, they also get a bad rep because of how they present themselves. The "angry, combative feminist" stereotype is a very real thing, and their often stereotypical flashy look (bright colored hair, piercings/tattoos, the clothes they wear) only exacerbates this more, it makes them look like lunatics. And I don't have anything against flashy people, I'm a flashy person myself, but now I hate that it's associated with crazy, screeching feminists.

I know some people are worth losing your composture over during an argument bc they're just so fucking dense or condescending, but I'm ashamed to associate myself or agree with a movement that, more often than not, gets noticed for being loud, rude and obnoxious. It makes me physically cringe. It's not appealing to anyone, ever, to be a total cunt to the people you're "debating" with. The loud, obvious feminists I encounter on the daily (mostly college) are always ready to pick fights with the people who say things they disagree with, and they're never very eager to be civil about it, they want to full-on yell at people. I don't want these people "representing" my gender, I just want a normal, level-headed woman who can have a discussion with a man or another woman without acting like she's God's gift to this Earth for reading tumblr posts and having feminist paraphernalia adorning her backpack.

Also: acting like people either agree 100% with what you say or they're wrong isn't gonna get people that don't like the idea of feminism in the first place to join your movement, and it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that 98% of what feminists say or do is geared towards OTHER feminists. The most extreme versions of these feel kind of cult-y, in my opinion; "you either agree with us or YOU'RE WRONG!!!". I thought the point of feminism was to convice people who DON'T like it that it's a rational ideology to have? But it's become more and more evident to me as I grow older that it's just another gatekeeper club where you either raise their flags and parrot what they say or you're "alienated". I hate it. No, I don't think sex work is a healthy thing to promote to women, esp. very young, impressionable women; no, I don't agree with every single trans issue you present to me, and I think I'm entitled to my opinion as long as I'm not assaulting trans people on sight; no, I don't think abortion is something you're allowed to make quirky, funny jokes about and sell fucking MERCH of (they actually did this in my country during the last abortion discussion, when it was being debated in congress); no, I don't think it's okay to go to protests or marches to get drunk and twerk on the street (people also did this during a march that wasn't even about feminism, it was a commemorative day for war veterans) and thinking that doesn't make me a "bigot" or a "moron". And no, I don't want to burn churches down or damage public property for the sake of my cause, and I can understand why people would get angry if you do it.

I don't go to feminist marches or protests in my country bc the VAST majority of people that go there are the most annoying cunts on the face of this Earth and I'd rather live in the Handmaiden's Tale world than ever be publicly associated with those lunatics. I once had a MALE friend turned "ally" who asked me why I wasn't going to the local Women's March and I didn't have the heart to tell him the honest truth: that maybe I don't want to support their cause just because I have a fucking vagina (which isn't even a requirement to some of these feminists, so I don't even know WHAT defines me as a woman); maybe I can reap the benefits and victories of feminism without blindly agreeing to everything and anything these frigid cunts with daddy issues and a pathological need for validation say. Maybe that's what feminism fought for in the first place, for me to be allowed to have an opinion that isn't your opinion.

Feminists fought through the centuries for my BASIC rights as a woman and now because of that it's mandatory to lick the unshaven ass of a pink-haired-undercut-looking-ass bitch that holds up trendy signs at protests and yells at people on Twitter as a sign of gratitude? No fucking thanks.

im not a feminist bc what others will think of me matters!!!!

>>399602
you could just say rad leaning. it's a common term on radblr where you aren't really full on radfem but agree with the general beliefs

>>402400
What's radblr ?

>>418249
Radfems on tumblr?

>>400041
>feminists look flashy
It's almost as if you notice flashy people more than normal people.
Don't be so stupid, the quiet librarian in your town is a feminist too, but she doesn't wear a pin saying it so you don't know about it. Of course you're only noticing the loud people that make a fuss, why would you notice the quiet ones?

>>399185
It's also inherently racist

>>418474
I swear by god, some of you here sound like completely braindead
>The founding mothers of women's rights were upperclass and white, so feminism is classist and racist, and therefore I hate it.
You know what would have happened without them? How you would "live" now?!

>>418478
I sorry I don't subscribe to your savior complex

I don't consider myself a feminist tho I agree with a lot of rad feminists and original feminists from the 60s and 70s. I am def pro-black though, and support my people and black women above all else.

All of you deserve to have taken your rights away, since this is what you seem to wish for so dearly.

>>418486
lol. didn't know me not identifying with either branch of crazy feminists would magically put me back in the 1940s

>>418486
Feminism has also morphed into stuff deeper than just that on base level. It has become MORE than the definition says. It's an entirely new sociopolitical meaning than it meant in the 1970's.

Also what's with women like you getting all mad when other women don't agree with them and saying "oh you deserve to have your rights taken away/get beaten/get raped". You sound like you hate women too LOL

>>418491
Claiming you're not a feminist inherently means you're against the equality of the sexes.

If this is not what you want, then don't go around saying you hate feminism.

>>418492
They do hate women. The radfems like to act like they're the better feminists because they're the "cool girl" but they're just as insane.

>>418494
>>418500
I'm sorry that I refuse to identify with horrible people in the pursuit of an ideology. Maybe if feminists would clean up their act, more women would be comfortable with identifying as a feminist. I don't listen to people who stink.

>>418504
>That anon: feminism mean equality of rights
>You: tHe CrAzY fEmInIsTs
My reply was referring to yours pretty much ignoring what that post had said. They didnt say anything about feminists but feminism. Yousound even more like an angry fedora tipping scrot now kek.

>>418504
>horrible people (who stink!) in the pursuit of an ideology
That might be hard to accept for you, but working towards girls and women being granted the same rights that men have enjoyed for centuries already is not and ideology - even if your trad alpha bf tells you so…

>>418505
I never said anything about not agreeing with the core concept of feminism. I said that I do not identify as a feminist, as the OP implies. "This is not an anti-feminist thread but rather for women who do not identify as feminists". Please do not call me a 'scrot'. I agree with several feminism concepts but can not identify as a feminist because frankly, y'all stink.

>>418508
But you replied to >>418486 post not OPs which was why I asked. Maybe calm down and pay attention to who you're replying to?
>Frankly y'all stink
Lol that projection

>>418508
If you don't identify as a feminist, you say you're not a feminist and therefore you are against equality, period. Your equality.

How about instead of always whining about hating feminism because all feminists are shitty (and stink) - but that doesn't mean I don't want no rights! - you could say I am a feminist, because I believe in the equality of the sexes etc, however I don't agree with pussyhat-wearing, tranny-worshipping, whatever? Is that really so difficult?
But I get it, repeating "I dislike feminism/I don't identify as a feminist, because they're all nasty!" gives you male bonus points…

>>418508
>spams board with messages in a triggered rage
>does not pay attention to conversation but instead replies condescendingly to posters
>"d-dont call me names"
>calls everyone else here names
if it talks like a scrot and gets triggered like a scrot….

>>418514
I was replying to >>418486 because she said that anyone who doesn't identify as a feminist deserves to have their rights taken away? Real chill for a movement about empowering women, lol. I may not like tradthots either, but I don't wish for them to get their rights taken away?

>>418525
My internet derped…I didn't mean to double post…. I'm on phone data. Sorry.

>>418527
Your reply had nothing to do with what she said, and now you're trying to backtrack and pretend you wern't sperging, lol real chill dude. I think anons are being charitable with you tbh and treating you genuinely, but thats hard to do when you post like a kid with ADHD. But ok I will be too, can you at least give some evidence to your claims?

>>418531
>Come in here and tell non-feminists that they don't deserve rights
>Wonder why someone could possibly not like feminists
There are tons of examples but I just feel like a lot of the women on here are nasty and bitter towards other women unnecessarily. It seems hypocritical to me. Anyway, feminism is fine but I can't identify as a feminist. I'm too GC to be a libfem but every radfem I've met just doesn't seem to be a good person.

>>418534
>There are tons of examples
>But im not going to give any
Kek hmm you really changed my mind there.
>I just feel like a lot of the women on here are nasty and bitter towards other women unnecessarily.
Yes, hello, welcome to lolcow, this isnt the fucking disney channel. This site is hardly the baston of feminism.
>but every radfem I've met just doesn't seem to be a good person.
Again, you've not given any evidence or anything else, so again…? Also
>One person says non feminists they dont deserve human rights
>ergo all feminists are like this
I wonder how much you apply this "rationale" to other groups of people, I got a feeling its zero but hey, I like to be proved wrong so surprise me kid.

What exactly is the point of this thread? What kind of discussion is meant to happen? It's not anti-feminism apparently so what is the topic? Existing without being a feminist? What kind of discussion can branch from that? What is this crap?

You really don't get it, do you?
I posted the definiton of feminism next to "you deserve no rights" as a hard wakeup call, I wanted to try to make you understand what "non-feminist" even implies. Most of you don't seem to get what you're doing by saying you dislike feminism/don't identify as a feminist and that's just sad.

But instead of using your brain you continue sperging "See?! Feminists are all evil and hate women!"
(And repeatedly writing that we stink does make you seem like a scrot or a tranny, because "ew, nasty womenz"…)

>>418552
It was not a good look. You could have explained the point you were making better instead of just making a blanket statement. Sorry for the sperg. Not a scrot, not a tranny(god, no), I refreshed the page when I got a 404 and my post went through 4 times.
>>418537
It's all anecdotal evidence, so of course, it's shit. I'm not going to sit here and give you first hand accounts of my bad experiences with feminists because I know that they only speak towards my personal feelings. And yes, I do apply this rationale to other groups. There are few political ideologies that I agree with 100%. Your point is basically 'do not judge a book by it's cover', which is fair and is making me reevaluate my stance. I just feel as though it would be disingenuous of me to claim to be something which I do not agree with entirely. There is no feminist movement that fully encompasses my beliefs on women and equality of the sexes. I do not participate in marches or any sort of activism either because I am not an activist and do not live in a country where I can be one. My initial post was hostile but I was responding to a post that I viewed as equally hostile. It was not good for discussion and I regret it.

>>418542
I also have to agree with this. At least an anti-feminism thread would have some kind of topics to discuss constantly (even if it would be a bunch of retarded sperging kek). All this thread has is mostly declarations of "I'm not a radfem/feminist because x but I agree with them." As if there aren't already GC threads and the pinkpill threads which aren't exclusively feminist where you could get your rocks off about the "stuff you agree with."

I also don't see the point of this infighting. The last thing feminism needs is a bunch of spineless women. If these women are self-aware enough to know that they are not cut out for activism and/or these women are too self-conscious for activism then who cares? It doesn't matter if women daintily march through the capital or wear a pussyhat with an undercut—we will still get hate. We will still be painted as irrational no matter how little the "crazies" really are. Activism requires proactive people with thick skin. Not wallflowers who silently agree with stuff but don't do anything about it. It's great that some of these people aren't retarded handmaidens, but looking to increase numbers is not the way to go. The advent of mainstream feminism already has proven that making feminism kewl and trendy and popular does not benefit the movement.

>>418486
>>418500
I bet you think the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is an open democracy too.