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DAE not a feminist and hates scrots?
i was a radfem for 6 years and just recently have decided i'm fucking done with it.
i still agree with some of the principles but they're some of the rudest women i've ever known and seeing a young friend i'd made go from being a really sweet kid to a complete asshole pushed me over the edge.
I think building any kind of identity off of how oppressed you are is a mistake and will only lead to greater insecurity and unhappiness. Thinking about how the world is against you all the time isn't healthy.
Not a feminist but the "dae classism" argument is retarded. Every single liberation movement is typically concocted by those who have the means to allocate brainpower to philosophy.
It's always the dumb-ass communists who make that argument too, like their ideas weren't started by people like literal bourg Marx and literal prince Kropotkin.
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I feel in the same boat of other anons in ITT, I like feminism and I can agree with a lot of the things both radfems and libfems say(though not the sexpositive, pro-porn stuff, or the stuff that is all about trannies) but I am a lazy sort of person that isn't very prone to activism.
I have a qualm with some of the radfem posters, they will call you a tranny for liking kawaiishit but I am a biological woman! Just a tacky one.
Are you the catgirl sub anon? If yes than sorry, I relate to liking tacky stuff. Never had any interest in catgirls (or boys) or kittenplay and the fact that trannies are obsessed over the concept forsome reason ruined it for me.
In general, I hate when people say that random feminine thing is troon like. Stop agreeing with them when they take our stuff!(yes, I now I am a bit of hypocrite here).
I am not the catgirl sub, but I do like stuff like cat ears and am on the same page as you. It's annoying how trannies took a huge run with cute weebshit. At best someone assumes you are a shuwu-tier weirdo or at worst a tranny. I also don't like how some anons will call you out for using anime reaction images.
Look r/GenderCritical posters, I appreciate what you do but this is an imageboard and imageboards are inherently weebish.
>>399399>Just say x and go
You don't have to label yourself as anything to agree with them. I personally do not see myself as a feminist because I'm not active in the community. I don't have the time. I work, I'm a poorfag. I have feminist beliefs and will cheer on activists for their successes.
Slightly OT, I think just being a feminist in general is an earned label, not self given. We all know how BuzzFeed pushes their idea of a feminist… "If you're a woman, you're a feminist! Simple!" Some dumbasses will abuse that label to the ground.
As crazy as the pink pill thread is, everything there is based on reality. You should be upset with the men who constantly prove so called "feminazi's" right over again and over again. Women have very few places on the internet or in person to vent about men. If we give any criticism towards men, they cry like babies and claim women are the most privileged group in the world because people want to have sex with us.
Even though i agree very much with what radfems have to say, I hate liberal feminism with a burning passion. The sex positivity and fat acceptance movement is disgusting. I hate how young girls are being taught that sex work is cool and quicky, all this whinging about respecting peoples degenerate kinks. It serves to please men and puts women in more danger of rape and sexual assault. I can't call myself a feminist because i don't people to think i am here to defend that shit and all the other negative sterotypes attatched to feminism means nobody wants to listen. It's frustrating.
do you think their could be a neutral alternative between radical feminism and liberal feminism
one thats anti-sex work,anti-prostitution,anti-fat acceptance,anti-Troons but I don't know less "mean" I guess a bit more kinder to all people
Anon, your post echoes my thoughts exactly. That is exactly why I don't call myself feminist. In my opinion liberal feminism is just men's opinions and desires repackaged and presented as female opinion. It opposes radical feminism to such an extreme it basically serves to nullify the meaning of the word "feminism" completely. Radfems of the past didn't fight so hard for us to think that being degraded by strangers was "empowering" in 2019. Every libfem talking point coincidentally
has a result which is pleasing to men, for example free the nipple.
More topless women in public? yes please.
I agree with the idea of feminism but I hate calling myself a "feminist" (and being shamed by feminists for not wanting to identify with their ugly little label) because, while I agree with certain points they make and share some general opinions, I feel like the way they go about voicing them is annoying and counterproductive. Feminists don't only get a bad rep for saying stupid or obnoxious things imo, they also get a bad rep because of how they present themselves. The "angry, combative feminist" stereotype is a very real thing, and their often stereotypical flashy look (bright colored hair, piercings/tattoos, the clothes they wear) only exacerbates this more, it makes them look like lunatics. And I don't have anything against flashy people, I'm a flashy person myself, but now I hate that it's associated with crazy, screeching feminists.
I know some people are worth losing your composture over during an argument bc they're just so fucking dense or condescending, but I'm ashamed to associate myself or agree with a movement that, more often than not, gets noticed for being loud, rude and obnoxious. It makes me physically cringe. It's not appealing to anyone, ever, to be a total cunt to the people you're "debating" with. The loud, obvious feminists I encounter on the daily (mostly college) are always ready to pick fights with the people who say things they disagree with, and they're never very eager to be civil about it, they want to full-on yell at people. I don't want these people "representing" my gender, I just want a normal, level-headed woman who can have a discussion with a man or another woman without acting like she's God's gift to this Earth for reading tumblr posts and having feminist paraphernalia adorning her backpack.
Also: acting like people either agree 100% with what you say or they're wrong isn't gonna get people that don't like the idea of feminism in the first place to join your movement, and it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that 98% of what feminists say or do is geared towards OTHER feminists. The most extreme versions of these feel kind of cult-y, in my opinion; "you either agree with us or YOU'RE WRONG!!!". I thought the point of feminism was to convice people who DON'T like it that it's a rational ideology to have? But it's become more and more evident to me as I grow older that it's just another gatekeeper club where you either raise their flags and parrot what they say or you're "alienated". I hate it. No, I don't think sex work is a healthy thing to promote to women, esp. very young, impressionable women; no, I don't agree with every single trans issue you present to me, and I think I'm entitled to my opinion as long as I'm not assaulting trans people on sight; no, I don't think abortion is something you're allowed to make quirky, funny jokes about and sell fucking MERCH of (they actually did this in my country during the last abortion discussion, when it was being debated in congress); no, I don't think it's okay to go to protests or marches to get drunk and twerk on the street (people also did this during a march that wasn't even about feminism, it was a commemorative day for war veterans) and thinking that doesn't make me a "bigot" or a "moron". And no, I don't want to burn churches down or damage public property for the sake of my cause, and I can understand why people would get angry if you do it.
I don't go to feminist marches or protests in my country bc the VAST majority of people that go there are the most annoying cunts on the face of this Earth and I'd rather live in the Handmaiden's Tale world than ever be publicly associated with those lunatics. I once had a MALE friend turned "ally" who asked me why I wasn't going to the local Women's March and I didn't have the heart to tell him the honest truth: that maybe I don't want to support their cause just because I have a fucking vagina (which isn't even a requirement to some of these feminists, so I don't even know WHAT defines me as a woman); maybe I can reap the benefits and victories of feminism without blindly agreeing to everything and anything these frigid cunts with daddy issues and a pathological need for validation say. Maybe that's what feminism fought for in the first place, for me to be allowed to have an opinion that isn't your opinion.
Feminists fought through the centuries for my BASIC rights as a woman and now because of that it's mandatory to lick the unshaven ass of a pink-haired-undercut-looking-ass bitch that holds up trendy signs at protests and yells at people on Twitter as a sign of gratitude? No fucking thanks.
>>400041>feminists look flashy
It's almost as if you notice flashy people more than normal people.
Don't be so stupid, the quiet librarian in your town is a feminist too, but she doesn't wear a pin saying it so you don't know about it. Of course you're only noticing the loud people that make a fuss, why would you notice the quiet ones?
I swear by god, some of you here sound like completely braindead>The founding mothers of women's rights were upperclass and white, so feminism is classist and racist, and therefore I hate it.
You know what would have happened without them? How you would "live" now?!
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All of you deserve to have taken your rights away, since this is what you seem to wish for so dearly.
Feminism has also morphed into stuff deeper than just that on base level. It has become MORE than the definition says. It's an entirely new sociopolitical meaning than it meant in the 1970's.
Also what's with women like you getting all mad when other women don't agree with them and saying "oh you deserve to have your rights taken away/get beaten/get raped". You sound like you hate women too LOL
Claiming you're not a feminist inherently means you're against the equality of the sexes.
If this is not what you want, then don't go around saying you hate feminism.
They do hate women. The radfems like to act like they're the better feminists because they're the "cool girl" but they're just as insane. >>418494>>418500
I'm sorry that I refuse to identify with horrible people in the pursuit of an ideology. Maybe if feminists would clean up their act, more women would be comfortable with identifying as a feminist. I don't listen to people who stink.
>>418504>horrible people (who stink!) in the pursuit of an ideology
That might be hard to accept for you, but working towards girls and women being granted the same rights that men have enjoyed for centuries already is not
and ideology - even if your trad alpha bf tells you so…
But you replied to >>418486
post not OPs which was why I asked. Maybe calm down and pay attention to who you're replying to?>Frankly y'all stink
Lol that projection
If you don't identify as a feminist, you say you're not a feminist and therefore you are
against equality, period. Your equality.
How about instead of always whining about hating feminism because all feminists are shitty (and stink) - but that doesn't mean I don't want no rights! - you could say I am a feminist, because I believe in the equality of the sexes etc, however I don't agree with pussyhat-wearing, tranny-worshipping, whatever? Is that really so difficult?
But I get it, repeating "I dislike feminism/I don't identify as a feminist, because they're all nasty!" gives you male bonus points…
>>418508>spams board with messages in a triggered rage>does not pay attention to conversation but instead replies condescendingly to posters>"d-dont call me names">calls everyone else here names
if it talks like a scrot and gets triggered
like a scrot….
I was replying to >>418486
because she said that anyone who doesn't identify as a feminist deserves to have their rights taken away? Real chill for a movement about empowering women, lol. I may not like tradthots either, but I don't wish for them to get their rights taken away?
>>418534>There are tons of examples>But im not going to give any
Kek hmm you really changed my mind there.>I just feel like a lot of the women on here are nasty and bitter towards other women unnecessarily.
Yes, hello, welcome to lolcow, this isnt the fucking disney channel. This site is hardly the baston of feminism.>but every radfem I've met just doesn't seem to be a good person.
Again, you've not given any evidence or anything else, so again…? Also>One person says non feminists they dont deserve human rights>ergo all feminists are like this
I wonder how much you apply this "rationale" to other groups of people, I got a feeling its zero but hey, I like to be proved wrong so surprise me kid.
It was not a good look. You could have explained the point you were making better instead of just making a blanket statement. Sorry for the sperg. Not a scrot, not a tranny(god, no), I refreshed the page when I got a 404 and my post went through 4 times.>>418537
It's all anecdotal evidence, so of course, it's shit. I'm not going to sit here and give you first hand accounts of my bad experiences with feminists because I know that they only speak towards my personal feelings. And yes, I do apply this rationale to other groups. There are few political ideologies that I agree with 100%. Your point is basically 'do not judge a book by it's cover', which is fair and is making me reevaluate my stance. I just feel as though it would be disingenuous of me to claim to be something which I do not agree with entirely. There is no feminist movement that fully encompasses my beliefs on women and equality of the sexes. I do not participate in marches or any sort of activism either because I am not an activist and do not live in a country where I can be one. My initial post was hostile but I was responding to a post that I viewed as equally hostile. It was not good for discussion and I regret it.
I also have to agree with this. At least an anti-feminism thread would have some kind of topics to discuss constantly (even if it would be a bunch of retarded sperging kek). All this thread has is mostly declarations of "I'm not a radfem/feminist because x but I agree with them." As if there aren't already GC threads and the pinkpill threads which aren't exclusively feminist where you could get your rocks off about the "stuff you agree with."
I also don't see the point of this infighting. The last thing feminism needs is a bunch of spineless women. If these women are self-aware enough to know that they are not cut out for activism and/or these women are too self-conscious for activism then who cares? It doesn't matter if women daintily march through the capital or wear a pussyhat with an undercut—we will still get hate. We will still be painted as irrational no matter how little the "crazies" really are. Activism requires proactive people with thick skin. Not wallflowers who silently agree with stuff but don't do anything about it. It's great that some of these people aren't retarded handmaidens, but looking to increase numbers is not the way to go. The advent of mainstream feminism already has proven that making feminism kewl and trendy and popular does not benefit the movement.