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No. 26853
>>26838i consider it a hobby because I buy and read books. It's like people who get really into philosophy. Plus i dont consider myself to be an expert or someone could teach it. As far as anyones concerned I'm just reading and learning about it.
I got into it because when i was younger I was really into magic and like mythology so that led me to read about goddesses which led to me learned about dianic wicca which led to me lurking feminist forums online.
No. 26871
>>26853Oh that's fair. I assumed by reading you meant web articles.
>>26860gb2/r/redpillwomen
>>26863Even ugly women get catcalled in certain places because they're thought of as easy game, so no I don't think that is the reason why. It's fucking annoying and intimidating.
No. 26886
I have no problem with feminism, but I wish people didn't change the meaning of the word to mean that means equality for everyone when it already have a word for that. Two or three for that matter. A Humanitarian and a Egalitarian, probably equalist would work too. Yes, femininism can be considered a subtype of one of those movement identities, but I like to focus on everybody's rights, if it coincides with my beliefs of course(which is do whatever the fuck you want, and don't let me me stop you. Its your life. Except when you kill for not a 'good' reason(This part is sorta complicated, as 'good' is subjective.) With the original femisnist movement, women we're trying to bring themselves up to where men already were/are, and that's why it has the FEM in there, because it focused on feminine rights.
Also, a movement where men trying to get up to most women in power or to be equal to women's rights would not become feminist, but be MRAs (no no, not the type to blame everything on women, but the men who just don't want to be seen as the 'strong' ones, and don't want a bias against them that women can do no wrong, and they are the bad ones).
I like to think as Feminism as women trying to fight to get the same statuses as men, and will be able to make their own choices without being told what to do, and not being killed when they don't follow orders.
I'll support feminism, but I'll keep identifying as something else.
Of course this could be being a little speech about words, but the fact that it already had another word, and I have a feeling some feminists(can't say if it started on Tumblr or not) who insist every activist must be a feminist just didn't know it had another word so they just said feminism is for everyone. I feel we should do away with the word in places that don't need it, but if problems arise that's when the fem country as a whole can say they need it. On the other hand, countries that do need it, need the word because need to focus on women's rights(some places in the Middle East/Asia)
Of course, this could be just me being a sperg about words. But it made me choose to identify as an egalitarian or a humanitarian more when my friend told me "words change" even after U gave her dictionary definitions of each of the words we were debating about. She then told me that she was too lazy to click the links, and so I told her that words don't change so quickly to fit an agenda.
No. 26888
>>26886Yeah you're sperging that's like a faggot saying he isnt a faggot because
>muh identity!!!!even though he sucks cock everday.
(it's likely you hate women secretly like all people on /r9k/ though)
No. 26954
>>26860>and society thinking I'm stupid just because I'm a woman.Don't worry, we here think you're stupid already, just for different reasons.
>>26931Suey Park is the "not your asian sidekick" girl or something like that? What did she do that SJW hate her now?
No. 26975
>>26972Menist? do any women seriously use that term? Tbh 99% of that sounds like they haven't had much luck with relationships so they're trying a gimmick to appeal to men and look quirky.
"I hate women these days so I'm not like the other women! Women are all bad except me because I'm special!"
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>>26975>>26972These women are honestly some of the lowest hanging fruit jesus
also, I also consider myself a feminist but I dont relate myself to tumblr 'femenism' in any way, 0%..
No. 26979
>>26978No she is serious. It's the same with women who say things like 'feminism is anti men, man hating, men are the oppressed ones etc'
I think it's combination of being retarded and wanting men to worship you
No. 26984
>>26983oh yeah I should've elaborated a bit, sorry, it's just that this bit
>feminism is anti men, man hating, men are the oppressed ones etc' made me think. If men are saying they're not all sexist and want to be recognized as individuals, they (as well as some women) should probably also do the same for feminists and recognize they're not all represented by tumblr and there are many more viewpoints than the dumb "kill all men" shit.
sorry I guess this doesn't make that much sense after all
No. 27005
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>>26972>>26975
>supports feminism which states that all women have a choice and freedom>patronise women who don't support it and infer the're only doing it for male attentionyou are literally as bad as misogyny at this point. and this is why i can't deal with today's feminism. because you'll gladly tell me that we need it to protect women and let them have their say and then turn around and call other women stupid for making their own choices in life which is the TENANT of feminism.
Stay classy, idiots.
Also, btw, menist is a fucking joke. how you don't get that is beyond me. It's just like this stupid radfem shirt. it's a JOKE. learn to humour and take the stick out of your vaginas and stop getting salty over other people. do these women impact you? no, then fuck off.
No. 27008
>>26984TBH I don't get when I say "oh so-so this man did this" some guy says "not all men!!!!". LIKE NO SHIT NOT ALL MEN. I'm talking about THIS ONE man. I don't say 'omg not all women!!!!" when some guy says "i was raped by a woman". I'm honestly not super about feels but it's just so inconsiderate/annoying. Like PLEASE could you listen to someone besides YOU YOU YOU.
also, I agree with you anon. I get what you said <3
>>27005You seem confused
these women/men are allowed to think whatever they want. I SUPPORT them thinking whatever they want. Does this mean I have to agree with it? NO
I do believe a lot of these women are deluded or are doing to to get attention whether that's from people in general, to feel 'different', from women, from men, idk.
No shit meninist is a JOKE. But a lot of people take is seriously.
Also I have no idea how that shirt is a radical feminist shirt, it's just a little autistic.
I don't get why some retards say omg ur not a feminists if u say this womanz r stupids!11!!
No. 27029
>>27027honestly I wouldnt really consider anyone who isn't into equal rights/womens choices a feminist. that's the most basic definition of it
I'm a feminist into traditional women hobbies and lifestyle
No. 27031
>>27008<3
and you have replied exactly what I would've told the other anon too haha, agreeing with you 100% here
Free speech for menists (meninists? memeists?) is cool. Gives me some easy immediate red-flags to spot.
>>27005I'm supporting their choice and freedom to express their opinions by taking their opinions seriously enough to respond to them
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>>26926>>27005This.
I used to call myself a feminist, but the label has been shit on by people using it to justify the most inane, useless shit like "manspreading". I can't take it seriously anymore, at least not in first world countries. I think it's still very necessary in other parts of the world where women are legitimately being oppressed, though.
No. 27115
>>27027I really don't get that. If you've made your choice to be a 'traditional' female then you've made your choice. it's the fact you have a choice to NOT be that is why we have feminism. if you want a career, go have it.
BUT it doesn't give you carte blanche to go and shit over women who don't do 'progressive' things or choose motherhood or being a housewife. i honestly don't get it.
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No. 29084
>>29065Almost impossible to attain portrait of womanhood? Uhhh no.
An otherwise very confident person? I don't believe that. This person got 495 points for this?
No. 29091
>>29079No idea. I found this on /pol/ long time ago and saved it for baiting SJWs purposes and because this indeed look beautiful.
>>29085The same point looking like guys you post in "who do you fap to" threads has. To look great for your partner. Do you think most males would wear those stylish clothes, care about their hair so much and workout for aesthetic purposes just for themselves? Plaid shirt and cargo pants are much more comfy, but if I had woman like in that pic doing so much for me, I'd feel like shit if I wasn't doing as much for her.
>tfw I call my friend "m'lady" and she calls me "m'lord" unironically, just because we like it and it feels specialI wish I could do this with future gf
No. 29092
>>29022I agree with you.
I just wish people could afford the housewife and working dad lifestyle. I mean parents nowadays are too busy working, they dont give any attention to their kids so they become stupid.
I dont think feminism is needed in america nor canada nor want it.
No. 29095
>>29093No, it seems amazing. Housewives work much more than selfish working moms lol
Im sorry but women who are housewives are caring and educate their children and most of them have a college degree
No. 29098
>>29093My brother's ex-wife was keen on having kids and being a housewife and it was pretty obvious she was under the impression that it was going to be cushy and super-easy.
There are good and bad reasons to do anything, and the people with bad reasons tend to be bad at doing them.
No. 29100
>>29097Housewives can see their friends. Yourr the reason why i hate feminists. Workibg moms are shit. They dont give any attention to their children nor anyone. They go to slutty parties and act like working is hard and bawwww about it and shit other women. Fuck off. Housewives are not lazy. Theyre amazing and i know tons of mwomen who are housewives. And it doesnt create brokem families.
Both parents working is disgusting and unhealthy
No. 29109
>>29097Not always. If you want to have beautiful house like in pic then you have to care about it. You don't have to do the same thing every day (besides it's not like you don't do the same thing every day in most jobs), you can take childreen somewhere (aka travel to close cities/lakes/forests, and on vacations or weekends somewhere farther with whole family, including working husband), you can have hobbies like painting, knitting, clothes making/mod/whatever, sculpture, gardening (and creative hobbies give much more satisfaction than passive-consuming ones like watching TV). We have dishwashers, laundry machines, cooking robots, microwaves for a reason - to make your housework easier so you could have more time for self development, or take better care about childreen, hourse or yourself. Because men love when you're beautiful.
No. 29112
>>29109Ya this is why I said it's a perfect life style for a lazy ass ho. She can have all the free time to do her own hobbies and its 2015 so she doesn't really have to clean anything and she can just buy some premade dinner.
But I couldn't live like that, I need my freedom. I guess if the guy is extremely rich being a stay at home mom would be fun.
No. 29113
>>29112She cleans, she educates her children, she has hobbies, she cooks.
Im sorry but no. Working mom is the lazy life. All you do is work on a shitty job lmao youre embarassing. And then feminists wonder why most people hate them
No. 29115
>>29112Also, the guy works a lot.
Both parents do efforts. The guy is probably rich because HE WORKED FOR IT.
No. 29119
>>29116"Letting them off"
Thats what happened and look at all he retarded teens we have because of shitty parents that dont give a shit about their teens
No. 29120
>>29119At that point in their life they're not going to listen to anything you say anyway lol
Kids start distancing themselves from their mothers around middle school.
No. 29125
>>29124they need supervision but what will be your use besides watching them and giving him/her and their friends a ride to the mall?that must be soooo hard.
>>29122Taking care of babies is hard work, probably even harder for single moms who are forced to work. While all you do all day is sit at home, play in makeup, bake and have brunches with your friends.
No. 29128
>>29119That's because in those homes there even are no things I mentioned in previous post. I come from divorced family wth one parent gone, and second working all day. Our contact is really bad, my mother told me many times that we're living under one roof, but she realized she doesn't know shit about me. After all those years my family completly broke. Families of my parents were the way I described and they were great. My father was just taking load of bread with him and disappearing with friends for a whole day/returning only for family dinner and bong withing his side of family as a teen is still strong. Basically when he was a child, grandparents cared for him they way you think, when he was teenager, he was going out for whole days, but still had contact with his parents in form of eating dinners and suppers together and doing harvest related work, then when the rebelious teenage period ended, he was supporting his old parents.
I and my brother on the other hand lost father due to divorce when we were small and our mother worked all day in 2 jobs to care about us. We had food, PCs and other shit, but there was no real bond, because she was only working and sleeping, and we were just heating dinner in the microwave and eating in front of PC or TV alone. Now brother fucked off somewhere and we don't even know where he is, and I'm still at home helping her, but I so often get annoyed at her and wonder if I even love her. I don't want my childreen to have such shit childhood, but I was teenager as well, I know the story of my parents families and I know that at certain age kids need just a bit of support. Of course they need it, but it's not that much. By protecting them from EVERYTHING you create losers, the kind of people you can find on /r9k/ - people who didn't have to work their lives, who never played with other kids so they can't even talk to girl.
No. 29141
>>29131Funny you mention it, there was poll on /r9k/ and like over a half or something were coming from single mother houses, the rest was scattered in other options, with single father homes being the smallest %.
I know such broken families create losers because I was one. I worked hard for 2 years to get out of this shit mentality, but bitterness and anti-social mentality remained. Now I'm attracted only to girls as hateful towards society, especially the partying YOLO part, as I am, which is hard because most try to fit in into this whole party and crazygurl lifestyle. And those sluts give me looks of interest because I stand my ground, don't fuck around and don't give attention to them. Actually, most of fucked up people I know come from either broken homes, or from rich as fuck homes when they never had childhood because of additional classes and overcare from parents which spoiled them.
No. 29191
>>26936>to do anythingYou have it backwards which leads to dumblr theory.
It should be: man nor woman are entitled to anything
No. 29207
>>29202Which is the purpose of feminism.
Dumblr theory comes in when you think you have to be treated like X or people should talk to you like X or etc. Which is wrong. Which is nice, everybody likes a gentleman. But its an extra, not something you can cash in or demand.
No. 29212
>>29208It is.
Having a family its one of my personal goals.
He's just a shallow consumerist. He probably have a shitty relationship with his family
No. 29216
>>29213It's okay if you think it's boring. It's still my dream.
It's not the popping out babies that I want; it's the rest after that that's important. I don't know if anyone can really say how to raise a child 'right' or if I can.
>>29215I know all about female privilege and all that. I'm sorry.
No. 29219
>>29215Actually, lot of men are conflicted. On one hand many jobs just require our male features and we know that this shit needs to be done and we have to do it, otherwise everything will go to shit + perception of women as some angelic creatures you don't want to throw into garbage jobs + some of us actually like being "hero" who provides for his family, is head of the "tribe" and lead family through the life.
On the other hand though it would sure be fun to play games with kids, teach your son how to repair stuff at home, cook with daughter or for jokes try to intimidate her new boyfriend she brings home and then play cards or goof around together later.
But do lot of women actually want men who don't work? Looking at all the "he must be ambitious" etc, I doubt.
No. 29637
>>29522You sound like a feminist. Feminists are the ones who look down at other women for being mothers, housewives or anything they consider to be 'lower', hell, I've even seen feminists look down at others for cooking their own meals.
Fuck off back to dumblr you useless fat lump. Not everyone is soulless and boring like you. Not everyone needs to dye their hair red to be relevant.
No. 29657
>>29522Not gonna happen because firstly, most divorces are initiated by women, not men, secondly, there're much more safety nets for women because whole civilization, not just other women, care about you (actually I think if shit hit the fan, men would actually care more, I rarely saw women helping each other in really hard times in a form other than saying some stuff like "don't cry, everything will be ok, he was dick and didn't deserve you anyway", regardless who was there to blame), thirdly this
>>29615. At the expense of giving birth at best biological times you have even more security now. If you sacrificed such important thing in the first place, at least make use of thing you got instead, which is education and better job qualifications. It's really funny that those women who hate the other lifestyles most, usually hate dependant lifestyle, yet, they never want to get rid of safety benefits designed for their sex and rarely respond to women who can easily switch between career and housecare while not doing both or picking only "the evil choice". They are the most independant, not hateful corpo-rats.
No. 29747
>>29737Whats most likely making women unhappy these days is men. Because I read regardless of demographic(except black women they have gotten happier, and who would be shocked by that?) they're all miserable.
" First, since 1972, women's overall level of happiness has dropped, both relative to where they were forty years ago, and relative to men. You find this drop in happiness in women regardless of whether they have kids, how many kids they have, how much money they make, how healthy they are, what job they hold, whether they are married, single or divorced, how old they are, or what race they are. (The one and only exception: African-American women are now slightly happier than they were back in 1972, although they remain less happy than African American men.) "
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>>46161I went to /tradfem/ and saw videos of submissive guys eating their own shit. Never going there again.
No. 46225
>>29615>anyone hiring a mommy with no prior job experienceebin kek
>>29657>because whole civilization, not just other women, care about you apex kek