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No. 247412
>>247406>>247409no, i dont mean this in a gender critical way. I also dont think it's purely about mysogyny. There are also enough gay porns like that. In fact the first waterboarding porn i stumbled upon a few months back was with two men. But it has been taken down apparently. There's also lots of porn with a male as submissive part although thats more seldom.
Porn just seems to get more and more extreme and I wonder where this will lead us.
No. 247422
>>247403There's a website run by a woman named Queen Snake whose content is the closest (real life) thing I can think of as being the female version of the pain olympics. Maybe there's as bad or worse stuff out there but I wouldn't know since I haven't done the research. Anyway, a lot of it is solo stuff of her own self, but she also does shoots with other women. If it were just her I wouldn't be mentioning this, but the fact others are involved turns this situation into a whole other can of worms. It's interesting because I see a lot of girls say that men are the problem when it comes to things like this; finding QS's works in the wild was a shock because it's definitely the most brutal content I've seen created by a woman.
Sorry lol I admittedly don't know where I'm going with this other than yeah I agree this violence is not only ubiquitous, but getting more and more extreme - not just from the male pov, either.
No. 247431
>>247429>When people say porn is evil and bad, are they talking about all porn or just the fucked up shit?Really everything that isn't homemade, even then there's no guarantee it's innocent and it's still bad for you mentally. Literally all porn companies either directly or indirectly encourage abuse and trafficking.
>And what do they use instead?Nothing for me. You don't need to watch porn.
No. 247442
>>247439does the amount of exposure to porn matter? I've only been using it since becoming single a few months back. if you use porn for a longer amount of time, does it take longer to wean off of it? and I haven't escalated in what I watch despite masturbating every other day for about six months. I wouldn't want it to happen though so better safe than sorry, I guess.
Have any of you guys watched the netflix docseries Hot Girls Wanted? It seemed to have a more neutral view of porn versus a negative one.
No. 247445
>>247403I'm not trying to defend bdsm or hardcore porn, just want to clarify about the safewording. I saw one waterboarding bdsm video and the girl had a metallic cylinder that she can drop in order to safeword. The girl didn't safeword even when he put the cloth over her face for 10+ seconds, I have no idea how she handled that since its been reported to be an extremely distressing torture (some people are unable to take showers due to the PTSD fro being waterboarded). BDSM is such a strange subjects, some subs are able to put themselves through a stupid amount of pain and uncomfort and if it was only for their pleasure I would be ok with it, but it seems they often end up feeling the obligation to push through the pain in order to please their dom and obviously to be the
BeSt TrUeSt SuB OuT ThERe.
A good look into the word of BDSM + extreme porn is the documentary Graphic Sexual Horror about the head guy of insex.com.
No. 247447
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>>247445Found a link for the documentary Graphic Sexual Horror. It's very well done an really worth a watch.
https://www.gofilms4u.net/graphic-sexual-horror-2009-%E2%80%93-hollywood-movie-watch-online/Obviously very NSFW
No. 247679
>>247425>"I'm gonna save my first anal/interracial/DP scene for the future"If you think this is how the industry works today you are very, very wrong.
If you also think that anal and DP is the worst they could ask for on day 1 you are also very, very wrong.
No. 247681
>>247429It's not about porn being morally evil and bad. It's about how it is done and what is done to human beings for it, that is evil and bad.
>>247431>Really everything that isn't homemade, even then there's no guarantee it's innocent and it's still bad for you mentally. Literally all porn companies either directly or indirectly encourage abuse and trafficking.seconding this
>>247439>Just quit pornI agree on this matter. I didnt quit porn voluntarily but simply because anytime I went on pornhub to find something to my taste I ended up accidentally watching a video that made my skin crawl and turned my stomach because the woman was visibly in pain.
I found that after watching porn I changed a lot. I can masturbate quit easily now without any visual stimulation.
No. 247683
>>247460bless you, anon.
Gail Dines is one of the woman that made me actually rethink my whole view on sexuality, society and porn (and miley cyrus).
>>247445>even when he put the cloth over her face for 10+ secondsThere are even youtube videos of a few guys having it tried out.
reporter from vanity fair:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58some random guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYoup8w5QmQsome radio host:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpdhwM_hnAA&t=482sNone of them endured it for more than a few seconds.
It might be different though if your head is tilted backwards and the water is pouring into your nose or if your head it bent forward.
Still in the majority of those videos the woman dont even have a metallic cylinder to use as a stopsign.
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>>247403>not masturbating exclusively to 2D>not masturbating mostly to femdomNormies will kill themselves off at that rate, it's best to just let them be.
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>>247692>implyingI'll have you know that I prefer femdom with more male focus because it's more fun to project on to. Nothing is worse than a faceless male. I want to see the guy's cute mannerisms and think about how he must feel.
No. 247696
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>>247693I agree with you anon! When I say 'aimed at men' I mean ones with only showing the woman with some faceless guy cropped out of frame. Any recs?
No. 247713
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>3DPD Porn
>Aimed at men
>Women are always sex objects and treated badly
>They're very real so you know the actress is probably doing coke to deal with the crippling depression and trauma while being surrounded by men with anti-social personality disorder
>No plot except 2 lines of awkward dialogue in the beginning
>Buying it funds some sleazy studio executives mostly exploiting young people
>Yaoi
>Aimed at women
>No women being objectified and even the male characters are being treated with more respect than women in 3DPD porn
>They're not real so nobody gets hurt
>Usually have a plot and actual characters
>Buying it gives money to a creative author working hard to bring these stories to life
I've made my choice.
No. 247815
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>>247699>that first oneomg anon
No. 247844
>>247699tysm anon, these are adorable.
Anyway, drawing your my own porn is the path I've chosen after 7 years of porn consumption. It's the only way to tailor it 100% to my interests.
No. 247862
>>247816Ehhh it's more rape than anything, I don't doubt there is a lot of awful yaoi out there, especially with yaoi hands/anatomy being a thing, but obviously there is also a lot of good clean yaoi out there people can enjoy.
Also, 2D men > ugly 3D men/faceless men
No. 247866
>>247713most yaoi involves a man being raped or abused some way or another, i wouldn't say it's treating anyone with respect, not even women. just look at the most popular titles
>No women being objectified yeah, instead they are seem as jealous bitches who get in the way of the main couple 90% of the time. and this is written by women too.
>Usually have a plot and actual charactersit's funny how the worst plotlines and badly written characters are the most loved in the yaoi fandom.
>>247816i'm with you anon. and this comes from someone who's been reading yaoi since i was 14. i just don't feel the need to act all superior for enjoying it. i stay away from the rape-ish ones tho.
No. 247902
>>247439>>247431>>247681Holy shit thank you anons. I’m the same ignorant anon asking questions the other day. You made me feel too guilty to use pornhub and the last two times I masturbated it was to lit. I don’t know if it was because of a lack of guilt or that it reminded me more of sex I’ve actually had or what but I actually came better to it than the porn I’d been watching. I feel so relieved. I had thought I wouldn’t be able to, so why bother, but you guys made me realize that people totally can and do- and I was asking myself “well before cameras, people still masturbated.” My foray into lit was when I was first experimenting, and it’s been a decade since then. I thought I would feel silly or it just wouldn’t work.
Anyway, just wanted to thank you. Not only am I not consuming harmful content, but I actually had a better time! I thought pornhub was the “default” and the “normal.” I never really questioned it. This isn’t a topic I would talk to with friends or family, and my “normal meter” was based on internet culture, which is obviously the worst. I’m really grateful I found this thread.
No. 247904
>>247866>most yaoi involves a man being raped or abused some way or anotherliterally what the fuck are you talking about, you sound like a salty male who only has a shallow opinion based on doujins they see 15-year old girls reading in 2008.
and I don't really even care if they get abused or not because they're
fictional characters and not representing the gender that's been systematically oppressed and objectified for decades. It's a moot point. It doesn't compare to actual IRL porn industry in any way so there's no point in even arguing about it because one is real and one is not. As for objectifying even the BL that includes rape still establishes feelings, personality and history for the characters. IRL Porn would never do that because men think anything involving more than just raw fucking and fake moaning is gay to them.
No. 247908
When i was frequenting pornhub to get off, i was slowly moving from vanilla to a more hardcore porn. One day i tried gay porn, I loved the amount of dick and hardcore action, I just can't get aroused watching girls doing all this stuff. Then i started watching male fisting videos, later discovered poppers, to make my masturbating sessions more intense.
In those videos guys get brutalized, degraded(they are even strapped naked in public), literally bathing in piss, but at the end they are all happy saying how they are going to do it again.
I can understand how people can get to enjoy such hardcore fetishes, and i know that guus and girls who get to do this do enjoy it, or at least know how it's done to not damage yourself, so i'm content with such porn being made.
No. 247910
>>247904lmao this, dudes make themselves too obvious whenever yaoi is brought up.
>>247866 just sounds like someone who haven't bothered themselves to try to look for actual good BL material in the last years because they feel they are too good for that, yet they'll keep bitching based on the stuff they used to read 10 years ago.
No. 247934
>>247908>but at the end they are all happy saying how they are going to do it again.You know that these statements at the end are part of the paid video, yeah?
Basically they have to say it if producers want to.
When girls who dont want to do anal in vanilla porn just get denied pay and told to walk home if they dont agree with the terms, I dont see why it should be different in bdsm porn.
No. 247962
>>247904And you sound like a salty fujoshi lol.
You don't know these porn stars or how they feel so stop assuming things about them. They're being paid to do this the same way yaoi authors are, its about the money in the end. And don't even start with this opression shit, you sound like a SJW.
Yaoi manga with a lot of volumes published
>The Tyrant Falls in Lovean homophobic gets raped
>Viewfinderlots of rape
>Crimson Spellrape in a fantasy setting
>Junjou Romanticarape and sexual harassment
Recent ones
>Caste Heavenparadise of rape, disgusting manga
>Warehousethis one is korean but you guessed it, there's rape
>All of Harada's works (very popular)i think that's enough
And so much more. Keep believing youre so much better than people who watch porn or men by that matter lol
>>247910>disagreeing with some hardcore fujoshi obviously makes you a male!!1! logic>>247931It's funny how
triggered they get when someone calls out their precious kawaii porn.
No. 248094
>>247931It's fucking stupid because the original point was that it's catered towards women and has overall much healthier scenarios than porn aimed at men, plus it's fiction so it doesn't have porn actors being abused but this autist wanted to start reeing about how "YAOI IS RAPE!!!!!" out of nowhere. Because romanticized coerced sex between two fictional characters leading into a relationship (an age old trope that originates from tacky harlequin romance novels meant for women for gods sakes) is the same thing as smutty IRL violent rape fetish porn men watch, right?
>>247962>listing only 4 series, all of them were popular in the late 00's 10 years agoI think anon here hit the nail on the head lmao
>>247910Also all of those have a romantic plot, a ton of character building, developing their relationship and expressing their feelings, it's not just about fucking ~rape~ you dumbass
No. 248102
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>>247962>Junjou RomanticaGod, what a pile of dogshit that anime/manga was
I get that some people like plots and shit, but at the end of the day porn is porn and their plots shouldn't be taken too seriously lmao.
But anyway I think the appeal of fictional characters/yaoi is that there's no real harm/people involved because they don't exist (they're fictional for christ's sake), where as real porn features actual people that have lives, families and problems outside of their work and not to mention the actual diseases they can catch or mental/emotional problems they can suffer from.
No. 248126
>>247962You just listed a whole bunch of old series and a grand total of 3 recent ones. What's that supposed to prove? Romanticized rape is just not a current trend. It's faded away along with huge yaoi hands and those weird mouths semes used to have, even the word yaoi is outdated. And it's always people who quit reading it long ago that seem to think they know how common it is now, makes no sense.
I'm not going to bother trying to get argue the nuance of fictional vs irl porn, or male vs female sexuality but it's clear you just want to believe everyone is equally bad so you don't have to put any thought into it.
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>>248142
I want to know this too, someone in the fakboi thread got actually mad over someone calling a gay porn comic shitty
Was really weird, like don't get me wrong I like reading yaoi because it's fun but some people seem to take it way too seriously. It's kinda concerning…
No. 248270
>>247403I was randomly searching Google images a few weeks back (for hair/makeup pics) when somehow a result showed for amputee porn. I stupidly clicked the more results and there were women without arms or legs on leashes or chained up.
There’s the whole thing in India where kids have their body parts amputated to assist with begging. Made me wonder how many kidnapped women or kids who grew up in child porn ended up being amputated for porn for some creeps when they got older…
>Obv not going to include pics. You can search for this stuff if you want. No. 248468
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>>248249>>248245>>248219>>248218>>248205>>248185>>248142>>248137>>248129>>248100>>248094>>247962>>248102>>248126jesus fucking christ can we have one goddamn thread on this image board that doesnt derail into a spite-fueled discussion about YAOI, you whores?
No. 248496
>>248468This. Also, can we please stop derailing every thread with >males are pigs REEEEE
We already have enough men hate threads for that.
And tbh it's the fujos fault, they spread this shit everywhere
>no, i dont mean this in a gender critical wayOP herself said it's not gender exclusive, now can we stop arguing over who's porn is better? That's embarrassing af
No. 248866
>>247422Sage for my fucking sperging but wtf?
I have a bit of a porn problem when I am drunk and tend to seek out extreme shit but never so much as that Queen Snake stuff. Some of it it (ok all) is extremely messed up, involving insects and poisonous plants and broken glass and just… wow.
But I'm thinking some of it is fake, because the one involving broken glass had no blood where their should be a lot…
Either way though, the whole thing is fucked up. None of these "actresses" are known or anything. They could be using trafficked victims, especially since they're not that well known yet…