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No. 221922
>>221921>instead of making a sceneHow is simply stating "I'm not comfortable with that" making a scene?"
I didn't want the responsibility of watching two children I didn't know, I don't see what's so wrong with that.
No. 221943
>>221917Was she American?
Her request may be acceptable in a country which literally functions on the adage "It takes a village to raise a child" but certainly not in the vast majority of the US in the 21st century (it may have been acceptable in the US of the 1950s or earlier).
No. 221947
>>221943Yeah, she was American. I'm pretty sure she was a local too since she had an annual pass (she was wearing a lanyard that had it attached).
>>221929>Stupid shit like that is exactly how pedophiles end up walking off with kids and murdering them, like that little girl Cherish Perrywinkle.Oh god, I just looked her up. I'm still processing what I just read. I hate this world so fucking much.
No. 221950
>>221949she got her other kids taken away iirc, bipolar.
OP, i would have told her i'd watch them but not to blame me for walking away with them somewhere.
No. 221957
>>221921Yeah that sounds innocent enough until something happens to the brats and the crazy bitch comes back to blame OP for it.
>>221917You did the right thing.
She was angry at you because she knew you were right but she was just too lazy to take her kids with her and lose the place in line.
No. 221962
>>221950>>221949I'm reading an article about it right now that's so disturbing.
>Robert H. Wood, the custody evaluator in that case, had called it “the hardest case I have had to date.” He ultimately said Cherish’s father should have primary custody because “I fear for the child’s future living with Ms. Perrywinkle.”
>Two weeks ago, Wood said he was saddened when he heard the news about Cherish, but he wasn’t completely surprised.
>“People are going to say, ‘How come nobody saw this?’ ” he said. “The answer is: Some people did.”It seems from everything I've been reading that the system failed this poor girl every step of the way.
No. 221965
>>221921wtf? anon didn't make a scene the crazy parent did. some parents always act so entitled until someone clues them in that no one gives a shit about their kids. i would never ever leave my kid with someone else or watch someone else's.
i've had parents in stores ask me to watch their kids because mine is talking to them in line or something and i always tell them to fuck off because it's ridiculous, she doesn't know who i am, i could be crazy. you don't ask strangers to watch your purse for you, are your kids not as important?
No. 223269
>>221962She also says in the 911 call how she let him take her to the dressing room twice and had a bad feeling about him the whole time.
What the actual fuck
No. 223289
>>223277wow, it's disgusting listening to the 911 call and have her list all of these red flags that she just surpassed. I understand being desperate for money/food, but there were SO many things that could have been done to prevent the poor childs fate.
i feel especially sick listening to this one
>he took her to the changing room twice, i was looking at the shoes and didn't want to seem over protective, but now i'm freaking out No. 223315
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this reminds of this one time when i was a kid and i was with my friend, and my mom took us to mcdonalds. me and my friend were playing in the playground thingy and some dumb lady with two kids came up to me and my friend and asked us to watch her toddler who wore glasses while we played and left to eat or something.
anyway while we were playing the toddler falls down and breaks her glasses. her mom flips out on us and screams at us because those glasses were expensive and blah blah and she made my friend cry.
even as a kid i knew it was weird for the lady to leave that kind of responsibility on us and on top of that im pretty sure the toddler was way too young to be playing in the playground.
Like what kind of parent leaves two 8 year olds to watch their blind ass 2 or 3 year old?
No. 223351
>>223315Wtf??? I can almost understand being naive enough to think it's okay to leave your children with a random lady in line at Disneyland, but 2 eight year olds? And to have the audacity to yell at you when something predictably goes wrong? Jesus fucking Christ.
>>223325Yeah, when I was 11 I ran away for a few hours and when I came back my mom was in tears being held by my friend's mom. I thought she was overreacting, but now that I understand the world a lot more, I totally get it. She was obviously thinking about all the horrific possibilities that are sadly very realistic.
No. 223377
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>>223310>Why is it so unacceptable to just not like babies?Being a woman, it always felt like people had an expectation for me to love babies and children because aren't females supposed to be unconditionally
nurturing like that? Like I have some invisible hormonal chain that ties me to every baby and child I encounter.
I'd love my own future biological/adopted children, but I have not a care for other peoples' snot and shit machines. Having multiple kids and "quiverfull" is not a gift to this planet. It's the opposite.
See, and I completely tolerate children and I can find them interesting. However, babies? Ugh.
I find babies ugly. Whenever someone's like "Omg that baby is so cute" I feel like laughing out loud. Babies look like monkeys with features that will take years to grow into. Like a Mr. Potato Head.
Then, they fake crying and laughing just to get attention and have no physical capability to care for anyone other than themselves.
I don't see what's to like about that. Helpless humans who can't even communicate or have empathy are a huge burden, and the "joy" people describe seems only like tiny breaks between the baby not acting like a demanding shit for an hour. I know parents who love their children but can even admit caring for them in infancy was the worst time of their lives.
I'm not saying this as if it's supposed to be any other way, but again, strangers can't be expected to enjoy someone else's bundle of sociopathy.
And don't even get me started on martyr moms. You know the type. The ones who act like the world asked them to have kids, or that they just didn't know that parenting would be so hard!
Why don't nice men want to date them just because they have children from previous relationships and want to be financially supported?!
Saw one from my high school bitching today about her food stamps not covering enough and how being a single mom is difficult. Oh well? Who knew taking the moral highroad by becoming a teen mom and having another child with her ex husband would have been the harder choice over an abortion or adoption.
No. 223430
>>223377I understand these feels so much.
I like children and they can be really funny/interesting but babies I have hard time with. I felt such guilt when my niece was a baby because I couldn't feel the "bliss". I felt very awkward holding her and would feel exhausted with her quickly.
Now she is 4 and I enjoy spending time with her. She is still in her early childhood yet already I can see she will have a great sense of humor and is a a total prankster. It's so fun talking and playing with her.
No. 223462
>>223430Babies are really weird but toddlers are fun to watch, they're so dumb. I've worked with 6-7 year olds and the only thing that kept me going through working at a primary school was how dumb the kids could be at the simplest thing, they'd put something down, walk away for 3 minutes and complain that they lost it, hilarious.
But to all the teachers in the school that insisted I wanted children just because I liked working at a primary school, my true happiness at the end of the day was knowing that I won't ever have to look after children after the school day ends, I pity all the teachers who have to work with children all day and then go home to them too.
No. 223733
>>223718Surely it happens in other parts of the US, but I'm not surprised that it happens in places like Disney.
Some parents probably think no bad could happen in the magic kingdom, aka the happiest place on earth, and why shouldn't everyone be in on trying to make -their- time the best possible???
They're not thinking about child predators or making other patrons uncomfortable. It's all about them of course.
It's self-centered, entitled. and ignorant.
These parents would ask strangers to watch their children but never to watch their wallets, keys, and phones.
No. 223749
>>223714>that naaaaameLmao, always so damn predictable. Or Hayden Kennedee or Harper Adalynn or Hudson Chase or Skylar Annistynn Braxtone Pane
Sooo fuckin sick of seeing this gay ass shit all over pinterest etc in fucking ~rustic farmhouse cursive~ font
No. 223765
>>221917That's when you lick your lips while looking at them and say "Yeah…I'll HANDLE watching them alright…" ad hopefully she'll fuck off.
I fucking hate shitty parents in the restaurant I work at. They just stand there and vaguely smile while the kids run around shrieking and putting their sticky hands all over the glass on the display case I clean. Worse is when they have a toddler and sit or stand them up on the counter. No, that's unsanitary, don't put shoes or shitty diapered asses where food goes. A lot of parents don't even care about other kids and parents, especially the ones that smear shit and leave puddles of piss on the baby changing stations. There's plenty of lovely families with well behaved children that come in, but I worry when a family I don't recognize comes in.
No. 223767
>>223718People in Northern Europe, at least where I used to live while on Erasmus, used to leave buggies with the baby still in them outside of shops and food places. But babies can't run away and nobody really wants anyone's pooping and vomiting infant anyway so it's a little different, I guess.
Any older than that no, the closest I saw was some lady letting her kid play in this kid wrangling area in a café and the kid trying her darndest to catch her attention, literally coming up to her and yelling "mummy look, mummy look" like a million times, very loudly, under my window while we were having a sieste, and the woman kept ignoring her on purpose.
No. 223771
>>223396>the trend of hating children and babies really gratingIt's not a trend, I think it's just that a lot of women dislike children (see what
>>223377 said on why) and it only just became acceptable to say so, after a lifetime of being pressured into liking kids and wanting them and being socially pressured and expected to gush and fawn over babies. We're frustrated, and the frustration makes the hate stronger, and it's good to be finally able to let it out.
No. 223848
>>223430>>223462I feel the same. I remember my own cousin being so annoying because she took a really long time to properly talk, so anything she said would be garbage and I needed her mom all the time to translate.
I don't even see the fun in kids, all they want is play the same thing 300 times when I'd rather be drinking and having fun with the adults around.
I'm currently with my bf family and he's got a baby cousin around and while she's ok and quiet, I get so bored of it. She's at the stage where she doesn't really walk yet but wants to go to places so all she does is wobbles around and everyone is amazed. She's a cute baby/toddler but I fail to see what's interesting.
And the biggest fraud is everyone saying they're hooked on baby's scent, maybe it's like a cilantro type of thing where some people love it and some don't, but to me all they smell like is disgusting baby lotion and spit up/saliva. Babies or toddlers are just so naturally messy, drooly and dirty from crawling on the ground. This is not even meant to be said in a mean way.
No. 223856
I've never had much experience with babies, I was too young when my brother was born and my close cousins are all adopted/step so I'm dreading the day when my friends have one and I have to actually spend time with the wriggly lump of flesh people call babies.
>>223775>>223767I've heard of places being perceived as so 'safe' that parents will just leave their children in buggies and pop off, I think it was somewhere in Europe. Most places are child friendly anyway so why would parents ever just leave their child without being horrid people?
No. 223911
>>221917The awful thing is that while that behavior is irresponsible anywhere, Disneyland often attracts predators, I got felt up by one when I was a kid there and I wasn't even alone. And of course, the other issue is that if anything goes wrong with the kid OP would be blamed. This is why I hate it when people (relatives especially) will just expect me to take care of their children without notice, especially if we're all out and about. I'm not a parent and I don't know how a specific child works. The truth is they just want to get away from the kid.
>>223856I thought the leaving the baby outside thing was often just to save space, strollers are big and bulky and it's less of a hassle of drag the whole thing in if you're just stop to buy a cup of coffee or whatever. I never heard of it for long periods of time.
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This is my home anons.
My old neighbors had 3 kids (I think. It was hard to tell sometimes because they had friends) one was 4, others were probably 7 and 9. These kids were out all hours of the day. We lived in a busy street. I can't count how much times cars honked and nearly ran them over.
Idk where the hell the parents were (drinking most likely, they partied alot) but the 4 year old I saw a few times out at 1am shirtless and in his boxers playing on the street. His brothers went around the neighborhood stealing and slashing tires as well as torturing homeless cats. They tried starting the bush beside their house on fire and the fire department was called.
Yes, CPS was called and they seemed to tone down a little bit but the parents were still careless as hell.
Another family down the block let their kids mishandle homeless cats, swinging around the tail, throwing them into fences etc… When getting in trouble about it, the family acted as if their kids were saints and wouldn't harm a fly.
No. 223960
>>223914>this is why I don't understand why baby leashes are so looked down uponThe people offended by this are people who don't like to be reminded that children can be as dumb and unpredictable as pet dogs. So they always look to blame the parents for "not doing more" because it hurts ego to be reminded that toddlers and small children (including theirs) aren't always baby geniuses looking to blossom under the right circumstances.
/tinfoil
>>223948I'm sorry you have to put up with that, anon.
No. 223984
>>223981also a waitress, had to deal with the same shit. i worked at a nice sushi joint and we specifically didn't have a children's menu as a way to say "don't bring your kids!" and without fail, multiple times every summer (they were shoobs, summer residents who left in september) this family of two sets of parents, one set of grandparents, and almost 10 kids would come in. the family was rude, the kids were obnoxious and ran around like it was a playground. one of the kids jumped off the railing of our porch section and i had to say something to the parents–it was a safety hazard of course.
went up to the parents and grandparents, very politely since they were my table, and said "i'm sorry but this isn't the proper place for your children to be running, we've had a few complaints as well because of the noise. i have to ask you to make them sit down at your table."
the dad FLIPS the fuck out at my 'transparent parenting' (whatever the fuck that is) and starts making a scene about how i'm calling HIS family out in front of everyone else. he asks me why i didn't yell at the other table that had kids (they were sitting down and eating like normal fucking children), and he then proceeds to YELL to my manager that this is unacceptable and that he has never had such bad service, never coming back yadda yadda. only gave me a $5 tip on a $200 bill, requested they never have me as a server again.
two weeks later the fucker is back with his zoo of children in tow, specifically sits in my section, and lets his kids run wild. his three daughters (all under 10 i presume) go into our SINGLE PERSON bathroom for about 15 minutes. they get out and another customer walks in, only to inform the other waitresses and i that the kids had pulled all the toilet paper out of the roll, all the paper towels down onto the floor, and pushed the soap dispenser so there was a big puddle of it. i snap but still politely go over to the guy and say, "go to chuck-e-cheese if you want to neglect your kids, don't do it here." he then proceeds to walk out on his bill with his spawns in tow.
jokes on him–none of his food had come to the table yet so this bitch here ate like a queen that night.
(sorry for the blogpost btw, i wasn't expecting it to be this long but i fucking hate when kids come into restaurants.)
No. 223987
>>221943I'm from more eastern part of the world and the whole scenario sounds very American to me. From young woman unwilling to help a lady for few minutes, their constant state of not being comfortable, to mother making a scene at a crowded place.
But then again, we don't have many pedophilia cases and majority of missing kids are in fact babies stolen from the hospitals by foreigners to be sold in the West as children of barren couples.
No. 223988
>>223981I work at a restaurant and can confirm they're magnets for this kind of conduct. Some parents literally let their kids treat the place like a playground. Myself and many coworkers have dropped shit and tripped due to people letting their kids run around while it's busy. Some people actually see us as babysitters and expect us to be watching their kids. The place I work has a back section that's closed off when it's not super busy, it has a little mini kitchen for when we do breakfast. I once went back there to find two little kids alone in there playing with the stove. Their parents weren't even on the same floor and acted like we were inconveniencing them when we told them about the situation. We had to start locking the back after that.
>>223984Jfc that guy was a cunt. Go you for not putting up with that fuckery.
No. 223989
>>223988i quit the job but my sister still works there and said he showed up a couple of times before the season ended. we've had other bad ones but he was definitely the worst.
i don't understand how parents don't see the dangers of kids running around an eatery? we had udon soups that were already boiling hot and hard to carry–what if it spilled on one of the kids? they'd throw a fit then but until it happens they don't give a shit.
i know everyone says this, but jesus christ. when i have kids, they're going to know manners and respect, especially when it comes to servers and hospitality workers. it's common fucking decency.
No. 223992
>>223987>From young woman unwilling to help a lady for few minutes, their constant state of not being comfortableAre you serious? Like other anons have said, there's a laundry list of things that can go wrong when you watch a random stranger's children. Kids are a huge fucking responsibility, even for "just a few minutes". What if the kids run off or heavily misbehave? Anon would be blamed for anything bad that happened, even if it was out of her control. And what is so wrong with anon just wanting to enjoy her vacation she probably spent a fuckton of money on without watching some rando's kids so she doesn't have to lose her place in a relatively short line?
So yeah, get of your high horse.
No. 223994
>>223992That's why you're the adult in the situation, if the kids tries to escape, you hold the kid by their hand. The parent trusted you enough to ask you to look out for them. I personally don't see a big problem in it. I've been asked to take care of younger kids when I was a kid and I've been asked to take care of children when I was adult, and so do lots of people.
To me, the whole mentality of "but what about me me me?" sounds very selfish and if OP's vacation would have been ruined by a couple of minutes of looking out for kids, then she shouldn't be on a vacation in the first place.
No. 224003
>>223994It's weird for strangers to ask you to watch their kids for them, weird and bad parenting, I wouldn't want to visit somewhere where that was considered fine.
There's nothing selfish about not wanting to be blamed if something happens to the kids, what's selfish is that lady prioritising her place in line at a vacation park over her own kids, you go to places like that to spend time with your children, not to hand them off to a stranger you think looks "safe"
From what I've heard most younger people asked to look after kids their whole life end up resenting children. OP could have gotten in a lot of trouble in a few different ways if she took over those kids, she was in none if she refused. The parents hardly trusted her in a way of built up trust, she was trusting she wasn't a pedo, if cases like the one talked about early in this thread isn't enough for you then, that's a shame.
Anyway, it seems like a bit more of (western) society is accepting of 'childfree' people but not enough, it's probably gonna take a while.
No. 224007
>>224005It's not just parents being the issue. If an accident results in medical expenses or similar, the insurance company will usually try to find someone involved to sue so they can recoup losses. The parents could be the most understanding people in the world and it wouldn't help you.
American system is fucked.
No. 224010
>>223994>That's why you're the adult in the situation, if the kids tries to escape, you hold the kid by their hand. Except that some people don't want to be in a position where they have to. Being an adult doesn't automatically mean you're responsible enough to care for a child or want to, and there's nothing wrong with that as long as you're aware of it and avoiding situations where you would be… just like OP did. Also, in the USA if you tried to restrain a child that wasn't yours you could get a felony. Not to mention, if something did go wrong, OP could get sued. Plus, again, why should people feel obligated to do this? Some people AREN'T COMFORTABLE AROUND CHILDREN and even ones who are often are not comfortable being in charge of children they don't know. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, why do you feel the need to shame people for it?
>The parent trusted you enough to ask you to look out for them. Which is absolutely crazy and terrible parenting. Why on earth would you trust someone you don't know to watch your children??? That goes against all common sense. Especially in a place like the US.
>To me, the whole mentality of "but what about me me me?" sounds very selfish and if OP's vacation would have been ruined by a couple of minutes of looking out for kids, then she shouldn't be on a vacation in the first placeNo one said anything about it ruining her vacation, although it certainly has the potential to if something goes wrong. How is it selfish to want to avoid the risk or simply avoid a situation she's not comfortable with? How is it more selfish of her to have her boundaries and exercise them than it is for the mom to want to force HER responsibility on a stranger, possibly at the risk of her children's safety, to save herself a few minutes in line? The mom was selfish and entitled as fuck.
>I've been asked to take care of younger kids when I was a kid and I've been asked to take care of children when I was adult, and so do lots of people. That's fine that you wouldn't have a problem with it, but you don't have to be so ridiculously self-righteous about it. Some people aren't and I'm sorry, but leaving your children with strangers is never a good idea, regardless of their age. Ffs there's stories of children brutally murdering younger kids, let alone adults.
No. 224018
>>224016I used to dislike them but eh I don't see much wrong with them now, it's much easier to do stuff when the kid is on a leash, unless the kid is way older than she should be on said leash, then I don't think negative emotional stuff would affect them about it.
Better than the parents who let their monsters run around, some children are genuinely a threat to themselves if not on a leash, since hand holding and all that can either be impeded by size difference or limit the parents to what they're doing. From what I've seen most parents don't use them.
No. 224020
>>224016i'm one of the first people to call others out on shitty, neglectful parenting (i'm the waitress anon from above!!) but the baby leashes, especially the ones on backpacks, can be really helpful. my mom had me and both my brothers and we weren't very far in age so we couldn't be by ourselves. it was easier for her to keep track of us that way–much better than just letting us wander off on our own, right?
now i don't agree with parents who just leash their kids and then ignore them, that's complete bullshit right there.
No. 224029
Oh my God. This reminds me of when I used to work retail, and parents (usually just moms) would come through the checkout with toddlers who weren’t even causing a scene, you know, stuff like:
>kid puts item on counter, candy bar or toy they’re not supposed to have
>kid talks a little too loudly/excitedly
>grabs something from display stand to hold in front of cart
You know, not a huge deal, compared to some other shit you’ve seen people do if you’ve worked retail. Then this:
>”NO! STOP THAT! If you don’t quit doing that, this LADY HERE will YELL at you!”
Please, fucking stop. I get that you’re busy, your toddler is acting up, you’re frazzled, but I am not going to discipline your child because you straight up told an entire line of people I would.
I would just smile and tell the poor, usually scared looking-kid (if they really weren’t misbehaving): “it’s okay! Please put (item) here, I’m not gonna yell at you!” Fuck off with that shit, lady.
No. 224045
>>224024You're right that I don't have experience in that but it seems so demeaning and impersonal.
>>224019>>224020Are you guys really young or have leashes been around for longer than I know?
The backpacks at least are a little more "natural." Maybe if the kid becomes notorious for bolting off, buying one would make sense, but it's so weird to get right off the bat.
No. 224051
>>224047Child worship is so shitty because, as a result, these kids are going to grow up bratty and entitled and when they get to the age where they can't get away with it anymore, more problems emerge.
It's also the reason people are so against childfree restaurants and all that, claiming it's 'age discrimination' and put it on the same level as the concept of 'elderly free restaurants', no, children are loud and obnoxious and people shouldn't have to be subjected to them if they don't want to.
No. 224068
>>224045>>224019 here. Am 31, but I grew up in Norway so maybe it's different in the US where it seems like there's less of an outdoorsy culture.
My mom's said before that baby leashes weren't exactly uncommon back in the '80s either.
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Oh my god I needed this thread forever
Be me
>my dad was a low key pedo
>my mom had me in her teens (16)
>spend the next +12 years living in between them
>mom fucks away to new country
>get stuck with him for 2 years of he spying me whilst I shower
I became a neet got social anxiety because he used to “test” me in public by being a complete narc
Move forward till when I moved with my mom
>stepdad treats me like I’m a pet
>mom is disgusted with weight gain from living with my dad
>they have couple issues
> mom gives me the “first is god then my husband then my family” speech
>mom cheats on stepdad with rando
>leaves me (16) alone with stepdad and asks me to hide her laptop
>stepdad watches sexual movie and forces me to sit next to him
>mother decides that she has “too much” with my behaviour and not good enough grades at school
>takes the mirror bike and tries to kill herself
> stepdad texted me whilst in school “congratulations you killed your mom”
I could continue but I’m not trying to sperg and this must be annoying to read because esl ;.;
No. 224077
>>223326THIS
I get forced to hold my step brother often
No. 224082
>>224079Thanks anon!
Things worked up afterwards thankfully.
They now have 2 kids and I know that they will be treated a lot better than me because
1)they are boys
2) they are my stepdads(?)
Idk I’ll be here for them if they ever need money for university we are 18 years apart so I hope my mom learnt something by me leaving and never speaking to her again
No. 224133
>>224127Not the person you're replaying to but why? Her parents didn't care for her brother and she was ill-equipped to care for a baby. Doesn't make her a sociopath.
My sister is 8 years younger and I had to pick her up from school and kindergarten and hated it.
No. 224166
>>224091I was in a similar position like you anon, just not as severe: me and my little sister are 9 years apart and while i liked taking care of her in the beginning, it often became simply too much. I still remember my 14th birthday party there all my friends complained why she constantly needs to be with us, but my parents simply found that 'cute'. She also called me mother for some time when she was younger.
On the one hand i was glad that they thought of me as responsible enough that they had me babysit her alone at night but on the other had i often became so frustrated that i honestly thought of just pushing her stroller onto the street…
For years i've already decided that i never want to have children and i wonder if this could be one of the reasons why
No. 224180
>>224166
>She also called me mother for some time when she was younger.This type of situation is bad for both children in many ways.
My brother never thought of me as his mother, but strangers did when I was alone in public with him.
I have never discussed what happened and my feelings about it with my parents or with my brother. I didn't complain at the time, either. My parents were fairly strict disciplinarians.
I was aware that different times throughout history and in different cultures today, having older siblings care for younger siblings while both parents work is the norm. But to me it was a shock since we had no siblings between us.
I never enjoyed babysitting other people's kids, either. But I did it because my mom set up those jobs for me and it was money.
As an adult I don't have gushy maternal feelings towards babies and toddlers. I do enjoy interacting with older kids, especially teaching them everything from life skills to academics. My parents are/were teachers by profession.
No. 224191
>>224075Holy shit, I'm so sorry your family sucks so much, anon.
>>224051I can't "this" enough. My entire family worshipped the ground I walked on and while it wasn't to the extent of many parents, it was enough to fuel my already inflated ego to a really detrimental degree. It wasn't until the past couple years I realized what a train wreck I actually am and it has been the source of a lot of emotional issues. I also know tons of people who have gone down that path, but sadly never had their realization that they're not the shit.
No. 224198
>>224047>haven't you noticed that nobody ever says this to <20 year old women that proclaim they WANT kids? Hm.I'm 25 and myself and my 27 year old best friend still get told this. I've been told by women in their 30's that they do too. Some people absolutely refuse to believe that a person can just simply not want children. It's mindboggling.
Also, I believe there's way more people that regret having kids than society is aware of. Like with everything, people get very real when they know you won't judge them. I've been told by a few people that they straight up regret having kids, but they put on a show that they're so happy because obviously they don't want the child to ever know they see having them as a mistake.
No. 224233
I still want kids despite how my parents were, but has anyone else dealt with having to be their parents "parent"? Sorry if this isn't the right place to rant about this but it seems on topic enough.
Dad was kicked out when I was 16. Said he was "too controlling" because he expected her to put up with her half of the responsibilities.
>cleaning is supposed to be half/half between us now
>she wont clean unless you tell her to, multiple times, and it always ends in a fight
>even over something as simple as "you dropped this, please pick it up"
>even then it might take her several days to do it
>she's walked past cat shit on the floor before and refused to pick it up for over a day
>basically if i want the house to be clean (or anything else done housecare wise), i need to do it myself
>shes supposed to be a caregiver for my grandmother with dementia
>ignores her completely
>nan lives in another apartment but constantly invites herself into ours, im always the one who has to get her back into her apartment
>nan leaves front doors open constantly, i'm having to wake up all throughout the night to close the doors so we don't get robbed/animals won't get lost
>nan has nearly set the house on fire multiple times, i've had to deal with this everytime myself
>mom has literally watched my nan pull a (butter, lol) knife on me multiple times (she gets confused) and done nothing to help me
>ignores anything my nan asks her, nan is going to a nursing home this week and mom has ignored her completely, i had to spend over 5 hours talking to my nan about the nursing home yesterday and getting her comfortable with the idea of going
>mom gets worse when she's found a male provider (exactly that, because thats the only guys she'll date)
>stops cleaning, cooking, ect all together
>brings home guys who have pasts of making sexual comments about me, will date anyone who gives her an ounce of attention and has money
>tells the guys that i'm mean to her and 'wants her to be a robot' (because i tell her to clean her house) and tries to taunt me into being rude to her when they're in the house as 'proof'
>blames me whenever the guys leave her
>anytime you ask her to do anything all she says is that she wants to relax and wants to sit down, this is literally all she does all day
>has a long time 'addiction' to electronics but specifically the telephone/texting. used to neglect me as a child (wouldn't make me lunch, supper, ect) in favor of talking to friends on the phone.
>truly believes that because she works under 40 hours a week she shouldn't have to take care of herself or or house, says 'no one else who works has to'
>keeps claiming she's going to get a better job but puts minimum effort into doing so
>im unable to work (but working on getting better and will soon be able to earn my own money again! one of the only highlights to this story lol) and only get a few hundred to live off of
>she keeps begging for this money because she wants spending money despite the fact she can hardly even pay her own bills
>has even encouraged me to lie to get more money so that i can give it to her
>went with a flea infestation for 5 months because she wasn't getting bit, despite the fact i get about 5-7 bites a day
>only reason its getting treated is because i have to pay for an exterminator with the money i saved up to get glasses
>and what a surprise, shes also refusing to do any part in preparing the house, so i have to do all of it
>has taken her to therapists before over this, even family therapy when i was younger
>whenever you bring up what the workers told her, she says i'm lying and they said something else
>even claims they talked to her after (they didnt) and told her i was being a horrible child and that she needs to 'put me straight'
i honestly feel like i've been raising a teenager since i was 16. I'm 21 now and she hasn't changed a bit, just gotten worse. i'm hoping to move out within the next year or two (across country, can't get far enough). i can't wait to live on my own.
also
>has the galls to say i don't have the skills to take care of a house on my own
No. 224237
>>224233my mom was basically permanently a college student on her summer vacation. i was more her mom than anything. i moved out at 18 and she turned into one of those naggy parents and i finally cut her off for criticizing me for leaving an abusive relationship.
>no job, ever since high school at arby's>stayed on the computer using AOL all night>'woke me up' for school when she was awake, usually wanting breakfast>slept till 3 or later>didn't know how to cook, stuff like tuna casserole with canned soup was a triumph for her>learned to cook from my grandmother, my mom wanted me to cook after that>never cleaned or kept anything clean but bitched about it being dirty>constantly high or drunk>her and stepdad constantly on bad terms, convinced she was only still with him for a meal ticket>constantly tried to egg me on about going to parties, drinking, smoking, going to clubs>invited her 'girlfriend' to live at our house, she was 20 and stole some of my clothes>constantly made me apologize for her, in shops, at school functions (mandatory), even cussed out my teachers before in high school>wore embarrassing slutty clothes>bought clothes 'for me' for her to 'borrow' that i never got back>did shit like wake me up at 2am to make cookies with her>poor school work because of shit like thatand my stepdad in all this was just in his own little world. i moved to a totally different area of the country and haven't seen her in over 10 years. it's pretty good tbh.
No. 391529
>>391524>friends already on their way>tell them the situation and they tell me it's fine if I just being her with me>MIL, friend, and babys mom come home and baby momma is LIVID I had strangers over while I was watching the babySo why were they ok with you taking the baby somewhere else to be around these "strangers"?
Did you talk to your husband about this? If my MIL did this, my husband would lose his shit on her. It's unacceptable. He needs to set boundaries.
No. 391534
>>391529Sorry I worded it in a way that was confusing. My friends were the ones who told me it was fine if I brought the baby to dinner. I couldn't get in touch with MIL or baby momma at all despite calling them literally dozens of times. Pretty sure they were ignoring my calls because they knew I was pissed they saddled me with the kid against my will.
And yeah, he bitched her and baby momma out hard for the whole thing. Told them to never even ask that I watch the kid again unless there's an emergency.
No. 391568
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White woman walking around the plane -bare fucking foot- following around after her toddler (making no attempt to stop her, mind you) who was hollering like a wilderbeast, as though this is acceptable behaviour
Didn't go on for long. I informed a flight attendant who then put Mommy in her place, no more problems after that.
Dirty fuckin hippy. Struck me as one of those white moms who are seduced by the prospect of having a mixed-race child as an accessory
No. 391585
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I worked in a rich person hotel daycare creche so I have many-a story to tell.
story 1
>man holding up the narrow staircase by allowing his toddler to walk down painfully slowly instead of just carrying it down. i cant overtake him
>i say 'excuse me' in the quietest, politest voice i can muster
>'JUST WAIT' he snaps. so I wait
anyway he tells my manager that i pushed him while he was holding a baby and a spa assistant backs him up. i implored my manager to check CCTV, she was having none of it
story 2
i actually got fired for this one, but i wear it as a badge of honour
>kid comes in covered head to fucking toe in bruises
>only 5/6 years old
>comes out with all kinds of disturbing shit, talking about abandoned children, animal feces etc
>tells me Mummy makes her do age-inappropriate chores for hours in exchange for 15 minutes of TV time
>couldn't explain her bruises, doesn't know how she got them
>my manager is unstable and generally mistreats staff, completely dismisses my concerns
>so i call social services
>mum is a rich, bourgtard, guardian writer
>sends a spergy novella email about the audacity of a lowly proletarian daring to question her parenting
>says girl fell off bike, despite girl not telling me this and injuries inconsistent (should be cuts/grazes)
>managers try to intimidate me, tell me i may never work in childcare again (lmfao)
>they tell me Mum wrote a guardian article about how she spent £50,000 on IVF
>so what you're telling me is, this rich retard was too arrogant to adopt and thinks her genes are superior enough to splurge a lifechanging amount of money on eugenics. (G U I L L O T I N E)
>they fire me
>jokes on her because i'd been wanting to leave anyway, but they'd trapped me by giving a vendetta reference when i tried to leave earlier
rich people are wild. money robs people of their soul, i swear. i actually have more stories if ya wanna hear
No. 391587
>>391586>>391585story 3
this was literally all my own fault for being a polemicist but at this point i was okay with being fired so dont get mad
>kids come in saying 'we went to celebrate 70th year of Israel!'>i say 'u mean Palestine'>Americunt grandma comes back to try and convince me that Israel is a democracy without addressing the genocide>goes on for ages and ages about Israel being this and that, my manager is standing right there so i'm unable to defend myself>luckily, manager doesnt know wtf israel even is or understand the gravity of what i said. so i dont get in trouble >hun are u lost, this is the UK we all fucking hate Israel>eyerollso that was one i brought on myself and i admit that but still pretty funny that someone tried to defend Israel to me lmao
No. 391611
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So, this is my "parent and child from hell" story.
>start babysitting at a wealthy family's house
>family is 50 y.o. single mother and her 5 y.o. daughter
>the mother introduces me to her daughter with endless praises on how "clever" her little girl is, how mature is for her age, how much of a future leader she is
>daughter is a spoiled brat who gets no discipline whatsoever from her mother, doesn't listen EVER, needs a hour of persuasion to do literally anything, eating included
>mother makes excuses after excuses, saying that "Oh, she's just very cheeky and full of energy like it's normal for her age, maybe it's you who only had very quiet children before"
>her best quote is "Yes she doesn't listen, but it's because she's very smart"
>daughter goes to a school for special kids - although mother insists that "Oh, but my daughter goes to a class of normal kids, the only one in the institute"
>daughter doesn't look like her mother at all and has quite a strange face, like the ones you get when you google "fetal alcohol syndrome" - although mother often says she doesn't drink alcohol ever
>mother had daughter at the age of 45 y.o., resulting in some health issues for the girl, which is part of the reason why the daughter is coddled all the time, even when she fucks up
>mother is a psycho who yells at me when her daughter misbehaves, she even once threatens to kill me
>daughter has an extremely weird behavior for her age… the thing is, she just seems plain retarded. I've been around kids all my life and I swear I've never seen a child her age - or any age, really - do the stuff she did
>example: she always tried to kill herself. When she played colouring she would start sucking on the tip of the coloured felt tip pens she was using. When I walked her to school, she would try to break free from my hand to run towards the road with cars running at full speed. When we were near a park with a small river, she would try to jump off the bridge. She also constantly tried to jump off the windows at home, so I was always next to her ready to grab her. More than once her mother got mad at me because dinner wasn't ready yet by the time she got home, because I had to give all my attention to her dumbass suicidal daughter who purposefully put tiny things in her mouth (like plastic dices) to spite me and run away. One time, when she was under her mother's supervision, she was alone in her room and sitting on the windowsill with her feet dangling out (she opened the window) and it was only out of luck that I was going to the toilet in that moment and passed in front of her room to stop her from certain death
>discipline isn't fun, so daughter doesn't like me and starts to lie to her mother, saying that I hurt her
>mother goes apeshit and threatens to beat me up, then proceeds to throw any insult at me, saying that I "can't be a mother" and I'm "childish", and gets even more heated when I try to explain how her daughter needs professional help and how she can't accuse me without proof - to which she yells "ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT MY GIRL IS LYING??"
>get the hell out of there and promptly write to the agency that sent me there to inform them of what happened
There are some really fucked up people out there. The mother was a full blown abuser to me, and she was mentally unstable as fuck. When she got mad she had the three-whites-showing-above sanpaku eyes, really scary. As for the girl, I'll be surprised if she gets to live past the age of 8, and I mean this matter-of-factly. I feel bad for their future babysitters, too. If the girl manages to actually kill herself on the new babysitter's watch, the babysitter is a dead woman.
No. 391612
>>391611Forgot to add, the thing that set mother off to call me "childish" was that being busy with packing, I forgot to fold her fucking panties.
Imagine being 50 and getting mad at a 20 year old girl for not taking care of your panties. The projecting!
No. 391616
>>391611That's fucking bananas. Fellow childcarer here and I can really picture this happening.
How did the agency respond?
No. 391617
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>>391615Pfff I'm as white as a toilet. Stop derailing
No. 429179
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This happened a few months ago, don't know exactly when but it was this year.
>be with my dad chilling at the mall for a change
>1pm
>decide to stop at fast food place to chill and eat some fries
>all is well while we wait but then in enters a couple and a baby
>they sit about 4-5 meters away from us
>one child somewhere else starts crying, but it's only every once in a while so i don't let it get to me
>food arrives
>time to grub!!
>at this point the restaurant is full and lively
>a few minutes later the baby starts crying
>mfw two children crying
>thankfully the first once has either stopped or left the restaurant
>the baby's crying is loud so i turn to check
>they're giving the baby medicine
>areyoufuckingkiddingme.jpg
>there's a medium sized drugstore bag on their table and they're sitting there in a PACKED restaurant giving their baby medicine
>if it was a single parent i could understand, but it was a fucking COUPLE
>the wife was holding the baby and the husband was spoonfeeding the baby medicine
>the baby is still crying very loudly by the way
>this continues for 15 minutes
>i swear i'm going to punch these two retards
>people are leaving the restaurant and looking at them as they go
>manager comes out and is glaring at them but not doing anything
>the couple has obviously noticed the glares but are very quiet
>i'm desperately holding back the urge to ask them why the fuck they brought a sick baby to the mall at peak hours
>me and my dad decide to pack up and fucking leave
>they stayed for a little while more then left
Seriously. Why the fuck are you bringing your screeching banshee to the mall where people are just trying to relax? Loud noises scare children. Also why are you not at home taking care of your sick baby?? Fuck you. I hope all three of them get hit by a bus before bringing a screaming brat to the mall again. Parents of small children so often just expect complete strangers to deal with their crotch demons.
No. 430545
>>429416This so hard. Japan has a ridiculously low official rape rate, despite the fact sexual assault is rampant there, because there's still a big stigma around being raped.
And even if pedophilia is "rare" in your country doesn't mean it can't still happen jfc.
No. 440211
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Holy. Fucking. Shit.
No. 440246
>>440211Toddlers can't even make meaningful enough memories to really understand disneyland… lol.
It's not for toddlers, at least as much as it isn't for "sluts".
No. 440257
>>440232Is your hubby not home yet? Quick, go and make dinner before he catches you browsing this slutty site!
>>440246It's the same with people who fly around the world with babies. You're only wasting money and putting a lot of stress on your kid. Parents at disney world or other amusement parks spend like 50 bucks on a harry potter magic stick - for their 2 year old…
They just need to admit to themselves that this is something that they'd like to do, no need to act all high and mighty "I did it for the children!".
Same with pagent moms, parents who force certain sports or instrument on their kids, and so on.
No. 440263
>>440260It's covert narcissism. Parents are very prone to different types of narcissism, even if it's not a full-blown personality disorder they'll exhibit symptoms of it. As you probably know, we all exhibit some symptoms of various things and it's only diagnosed as a disorder/mental illness if the effects are too extreme to the point of ruining one's life. Not sure if it's society that ends up promoting these behaviors which then form a shitty personality over that parenthood identity, or if hormones tip some scales over when you have kids.
Parents almost always feel some sort of dominion over their offsprings even when they're older, and will self-martyr and then use that as a way to collect pity from others and create guilt in the child. Some parents do it far less, and only in later life when their brains are deteriorating, some parents do it constantly from the get go.
No. 440279
>>440211hang on
she wants people with kids to be able to jump the queue
but if childless people are banned then the line will be nothing but parents and kids
all this bleating about do you know how hard it is to wait in a queue with a toddler is so fucking entitled.
I've watched mothers with giant fucking four-wheel drive fucking two-storey baby buggies taking up all the standing room on the bus actually refuse to move off the bus to let a wheelchair user on. even though the wheelchair user legally has the right to that space.
Just even the existence of these huge unfoldably buggies demontrates the entitlement of parents today. when my mum had to take 3 kids on a bus, she also had to fold up the pushchair and put it in the storage space. imagine asking parents today to be slightly less lazy
No. 440311
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>>440211>the joy and happiness of being a mother>then exhaustion is described in the very next sentence>"m-muh little Aiden!!1!">"I want to cut in lines because of muh little Aiden who won't remember his day in Disney World in the first place"Can it be any more cliche than that?
>>440232The truth hurts, doesn't it?
No. 440380
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Glad to see this thread again because I really, really need to talk about my uncle, my aunt and their absolute spoiled and out of control daughter.
>Said daughter is 11 years old
>Was never taught the meaning of the word "No" because giving this child boundaries is apparently cruel
>therefore this child does what it wants
>Interrupts you with "AnonAnonAnonAnonAnon" when you talk to somebody else because she needs the constant attention. A "can you please wait, I'm talking" is never accepted.
>Throws a huge tantrum when she doesn't get her way. Screams until she gets her way.
(Their neighbours hates them because she runs in the corridor and screams there, which is even louder but uncle and aunt say that everybody is hating her because she is a "vivid child" …)
>Dances and screams whenever she feels like to get the full attention of everybody around. If her parents tell her to stop they scream at her, which makes her scream back and everything gets loud.
>Called her parents names when she thought she doesn't get the play toy pony, which costed over hundreds of euros. She still got it so she could be quiet for christmas eve.
>Aunt excuses her failing in elementary school and blames it on dyscalculia (Went to a lot of doctors until she got the result she wanted)
>Demands special treatment in school because of her weaknesses in several subjects. Daughter gets special treatments at school to get better. Aunt complaints because it's not the way she wanted it and the way they do it is cruel to make her pay attention (no joke).
>Mistreats their dog. Pushes, hits and even chokes it whenever she has a moment again and she doesn't get her way (her parents just tell her "NoT tO do iT" but of course she isn't listening. I really feel for this dog). Or trashes her room.
>Owns so much toys and expensive electronica because if she wants something, she gets it.If she doesn't get it, also no problem, then she orders it herself on amazon when her parents are not paying attention. Her room looks like a hoarders room. They never throw away old stuff because she doesn't want it. She still owns toys from when she was a baby.
>She never learned to set hours to eat. She only eats nuggies, sweets and other unhealthy stuff. Never touches fruit and vegetables. Therefore always looks sick and pale af. And if you wonder if any doctor told my aunt or uncle that she is malnourished, well then I have to tell you that this never happened because my aunt doesn't go to doctors because her daughter doesn't want to go. Even when she had an accident that caused an open wound, they didn't go because the child doesn't want it.
>Said child has no friend (no surprise here). Auntie and Uncle doesn't understand it. Children of my uncles friends are always forced to go to her birthday party because nobody else would.
>Runs away when she is being told to be quiet. Parents only notice it when it's too late so they need to find her.
>Uncle has high blood pressure because of the constant stress at home.
>Both of them like to push off their child to friends so they can go out and not deal with her. One time they let her live somewhere else (grandmas placeetc) because they wanted a break from her and go on concerts lol
I could go for hours about them. It's an absolute horror to be around them. They, and specially the child are a reason why I barely go to family events because you can't be around this mess for more than 10 minutes. I swear they are the constant reminder why I will never want children or have children for the sake of having children because this is what my uncle did and here we are.
And to end all this, my aunt his currently studying child management, so she can help other parents to raise their children. NO JOKE
No. 440476
>>440427why do you think they're totally hopeless at the age of 7? it's one thing to come across youth like this when they're teens, but they're so little. it's possible they could still turn it around – it'll just be more of a challenge.
are you the exact same you were at age 7? especially if you came from a neglectful home like these.
No. 441759
>>441743- libraries have dedicated quiet spaces, it is not expected of visitors to be quiet everywhere
- they’re family friendly public spaces. If you don’t want to hear children then don’t go to family friendly public spaces, autist
- kids make noise, that’s just life, don’t be one of those dumbfucks that believes that children are to be seen and not heard.
No. 441981
>>441743I worked at a library for awhile and, while it's courtesy for people to be quiet, it's something that can't really be helped. Kids are going to be kids. Like other anon said, most libraries have quiet areas for people that need to study, etc.
If you're volunteering at a public place, you should expect some minor annoyances
No. 442042
>>441817???
Learn to read please.