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No. 221203

My friends and I are working on a Discord bot at the moment. Python ahoy.

Anybody else running a project of their own?

No. 221218

It's not actually going yet, but I want to make a mobile platform game this year. It's generic as fuck but I just really love platformers and cute 2D art.

No. 221266

>"Yes, I know there are many other languages out there, but many of those are niche languages"
>Doesn't mention starter-friendly Javascript, C#, Swift or PHP, some of the most used languages in the world
>Suggests Fortran (a nearly dead programming language only used in scientific calculations but could be easily replaced with Matlab) and Lisp (an extremely rare and hard language to learn) instead
This info image better be a troll or made by a 60 year old mathematics professor

No. 221270

>>221266
Bruh, chill, its from /g/ and I liked it better than some shitty vector of a computer or a matrix wallpaper.

No. 221293

I've always been curious to get into programming but I end up getting intimidated cause I'm not a very mathematical type person and I'd be diving in all on my own.

No. 221295

>>221293
I mean, a lot of programmers start that way anon. You ever looked into an mooc for it? Udemy has quite a few.

No. 221299

>>221295
I don't even know what that is. I just start reading a book about html, java, or C++ when I'm in a thrift store and then I get nervous and put it down that it'll be too difficult.

No. 221336

Yesssss. I'm in the middle of a CS course and I'd love to be able to talk to more women. I'd like to work on some projects once I finish this so I can add them to my CV.

>>221293
I'm not very good with maths either, anon. In fact, I failed maths in school but I'm still doing okay in my current course. I'm a little slower than the rest when it comes to writing complicated algorithms but there's a lot of help out there. Plus, programming is becoming huge and there's a lot of free resources. Even just check in your area. I've noticed a lot of free classes for kids in my area that rely on volunteers (I'd actually like to get involved one day when I'm more confident) and classes for adults re-training and switching careers. Plus ofc there's lots of stuff online like codeacademy.

No. 221360

>>221293
I wouldn't consider myself a very mathematical person either, but I still got a CS degree. Imo learning a programming language is more like learning an actual language than doing math, there are some good resources out there now to make it easier! You can learn relevant math as you go along.

I personally started learning Python since it's easy to read and I'm a shitty weeb who wanted to make visual novels with Ren'Py, but something you can make websites with like html and PHP is also fun.

No. 221469

https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/community/learning_center

Also, if anybody is looking into Comptia certs they are legit and they can help if you have no degree. You can find the books on libgen or piratebay. The most useful one to have after A+ is Server+.

No. 221559

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Am taking up some math courses during summer and fall to build up the credits to apply to programming within 2019 for a bachelors and I am indeed heading into this pretty blindly. I have always had a love for tech but growing up I spent more time on art and healing some shit so with no prog friends I just built computers. I was fine with it until I realised alot of future jobs I want that are in creative fields would be alot easier to get through programing whilst being artistically inclined rather than vice versa. Most important is that I am legitimately into it and I am excited to learn and evidently fuck up gloriously. Hoping to get more active online as well just bc I have generally been pretty distant online besides board stuff,, hoping I can come back with updates and start engaing more with programmers / tech inclined folks as I build up the routine of being online/sociable again kek
(Thought image fit since OP is working on a Discord bot lmao)

No. 221565

>>221559
>I was fine with it until I realised alot of future jobs I want that are in creative fields would be alot easier to get through programing whilst being artistically inclined rather than vice versa.

Anon are you me?

I've started a CS Bachelor in September, my first finals are in a week. Calculus is damn hard because I don't have a strong background in maths (and the lecturer sucks) but the rest is okay so far. As another anon said, learning a new programming language is more like learning a new language. As for algorithms, it's just logic and I noticed that the more examples I encounter, the more it comes to me naturally even thought I'm not that smart. So for the anons hesitating: it's totally doable if you work hard and use online resources well. 100% worth it.

At the moment I'm too busy keeping up but I can't wait to have more time and start working on personal projects.

No. 221570

>>221559
>>221565
I'm in the same boat anons, I'm currently doing my master's in CS but I'm more artistically inclined. Being able to do produce art has been a pretty big advantage in my experience, especially if you like working solo.

No. 221580

>>221270
Pretty sure anon was talking about the text included on top of it, not the anime image.

>>221293
I wasn't hugely skilled in math either anon yet I became a programmer. It rarely requires you to do any math these days, just a good understanding of abstract structures, especially with object oriented programming. And practice makes you perfect of course, it doesn't make any sense in the beginning but you'll start getting the hang of it. Learning new technologies gets easier the more experience you have.

No. 221603

>>221580
Pretty sure that I said it was a funny image from /g/ that was less cliche than a vector of a computer or some matrix code back ground, for the second time now.

No. 221605

>>221603
nta but i don't think you get it, the image is fine and not cliche, but what is the point of the text if it is ironic shitposting?

No. 221727

>>221605
Because believe it or not anon some times people post whatever they want as an OP image. Like, are you new to imageboards that this is such an upsetting concept or are you autistic?

No. 221830

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>looking at job postings
>company expects 1+ years proficiency with something which only had its stable release 4 months ago

I fucking hate people.

No. 221863

>>221830
if you're on indeed, just check yes, most companies just want people who are know what they're doing but can't put something like "1-2 months experience"

No. 221918

Does anyone have any advice for learning code for algorithms? I have a big exam coming up where we have to hand-write programs and I don't really have time to think about what I'm writing so I have to learn entire programs off by heart.

I think if I fail this exam, I might just give up my dreams of working in IT tbh.

No. 221925

after many years of using jquery and javascript, i would like to formalize this skill, but i haven't found fun projects that keep me focused. does anyone know where i can find javascript projects where i can code and learn at the same time? i'm currently reading Beginning Javascript and Eloquent Javascript, but i would like to find something more… interactive.

No. 224459

>>221925
Maybe not what you have in mind, but if you like apps you can make apps using jQuery mobile or Appcelerator Titanium! The latter is a bit more involved, but still pretty easy to learn if you know some JS imo.

No. 225040

Oh no is this thread dead already? I was so looking forward to talking to other techies here :(
But on another note, does anyone have any experience in android dev? I heard when you first start off with web dev you should copy simple sites and all, and since I don't have anything I wanna make (yet), what did you guys do to get good?
Also does anyone have any experience with freelancing? Any tips?

No. 225088

>>225040
I haven't done any android dev.

With web dev you should just make anything you like or at the very least make some samples for businesses. I worked with multiple platforms to get good, and making websites oriented towards different things.

I do freelancing, just put ads out and try to make connections with people who may want websites. Are there any questions you have about it?

No. 225103

>>221266
>replacing anything with matlab

lol you're a fucking moron, matlab is absolute shite

>>221293
if you can't deal with the feeling of not knowing something then you're not cut out to be a programmer

>>225040
android is pretty easy imho, you should be able to pick it up quickly

does anyone else here actually love the math-y side of CS and not just programming?

No. 225104

>>225103
oh and also. anyone else here love functional programming? I can barely stand working in imperative programming languages

No. 225121

>>225103
I love what math can do, like the computer graphics/image processing side of things. You can do much more cool shit if you're good at math.

>>225104
It's OOP or death for me now, but I started with functional programming and I still love it.

No. 225139

>>225104
Yes, Haskell all the way. I think this is the best language if you like functional.

I started toying with the idea of writing my own Linux distro, though with the amount of work that I have to do, not sure if I will have time.

And please, anyone looking to
go into programming, don't learn jQuery. In le current year, there's no need to when vanilla javascript does everything now.

No. 225140

>>225139
selfix, not programming, I obviously meant web development.

No. 225141

Also is everyone excited about WebAssembly? I hope it will replace javascript!

No. 225157

Oh, a programming thread! Yaay! I am currently working on a slack bot for my co-op. First bot I ever made!
Do you ladies have any ideas what your are gonna do with your programming degree? There are so many different areas I'm interested in that I can't choose, like robotics, game dev, cyber security. Too much!

No. 225162

>>225157
I'm still trying to figure it out. I currently work in web dev while I go to school, but really want to do some 3D/Graphics stuff. ML is also super interesting to me.

No. 225295

>>225088
Ay ty anon. I was wondering how do you land your first client when you barely have a portfolio. Like I try and apply to a bunch of python jobs but since IDFK what a python freelancer's portfolio is supposed to look like and I'm too shy to post anything to github (lame, I know) no one hires me :'(
>python is great and no one can tell me otherwise.

>>225103
>android dev
I hear the basics are easy, but the more "intermediate" stuff like keeping the app running smoothly and all kinds of stuff I'm not familiar with gets tricky. But idrk I'm just procrastinating at this point.

Also by maths do you mean like machine learning kind of maths or…?
Because I am absolutely obsessed with artificial neural nets and deep learning. I still can't really get over the fact that we can approximate irl stuff with numbers and pick out actual patterns in them with formulas. But maybe I'm just stupid lol

No. 225328

I'm really glad that I can post here freely.
My problem is that I started freelancing few years ago. When I used my real identity, that is being a woman in her mid 20s, I got replies and requests, but most of them involved lewd things even though I'm clearly there for web development and programming related jobs. I'd report those but my inbox would still get spammed. So in a moment of frustration I created a fake male profile that has been doing fantastic ever since. The problem is that because so many like my work, they want to start chatting with me online, doing video conferencing and similar things. As a matter of fact, I was requested just a few moments ago if I would like to prolong my contract with a company but they would also like to speak with me directly. This is a rare chance to work with an actual distinguishable brand and it would do wonders for my resume. I don't even know what to respond. I've been dodging video/voice chats since ever and I don't think it's possible anymore. And they probably wouldn't continue working with me if they learned that I was lying about my identity this whole time.

I don't want to spout muh patriarchy but I really had no luck when I used my identity and the job market in my country sucks, even in the STEM fields. I don't know what to do.

No. 225354

>>225328
Did you use a completely fake name or just fake first name/gender? Honestly I don't know what to do except for show up and explain. That sounds shit anon, but I get why you would do that.

No. 225398

>>225328
Just say you're trans despite presenting as a woman irl.

Simple. Just take advantage of the dumb liberal bullshit.

No. 225401

>>225295
With web development I first started by just looking for ads online from small businesses that needed a website. My first clients was a small restaurant, a metalwork shop, and a heating company.

No. 225404

>>225398
Damn I like this

Otherwise maybe you can get someone to do the interview for you? Hire a friend or colleague?

No. 225411

>>224459
hey, that sounds super good! derp, i never though about that anon, so thanka for the idea. i also found free code camp, although i already know most of the stuff there…

No. 225428

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anyone a bit frustrated by how computer science / programming is being pushed more and more now? my main issues are 1) i'd like this job market to be advantageous for employees, thanks 2) so. many. fucking. code monkeys. i'm actually really passionate about cs and it's frustrating enough seeing career programmers, but at least they study and are good at it. i don't want to spend my time working with shit people or cleaning up their shit code

anyway how's everyone semester going? i only have one cs class this year and it's on languages. no programming, guess i'll have to spend free time doing hands-on stuff. i'm done with studying for interviews though thank god. i locked down an amazon internship for the summer so i've been pretty happy.

No. 225450

>>225354
Yeah, it's a completely fake name, I bought a verified account for a certain freelancing site. Best investment I ever made tbh.

>>225398
That would be funny. Not only did I transgender but I also had a complete change of hair and eye color.

My brother joked that I should have worn a mask with an ultra deep voice changer in a dark room and say something like: So we meet face to face.

>>225404
I wish I did something like this in the beginning.

Good news though, they said it was ok if I prefered to keep our communication and work strictly through that site. They were surprised because, you know, the fees. It's bittersweet, on one hand it's something I like working on and a team I like working with, on the other hand I'm lying and there's no other way to go about. I'm just too deep in it.

>>225428
> anyone a bit frustrated by how computer science / programming is being pushed more and more now?

This a lot. I commend those that want to learn new things and get new skills but at this pace programmers will be nothing more than 21st century tech version of production line workers.
Even my mom started to learn web development through some Udemy courses and Codecademy and I have to restrain myself from going further into discussion because I know that she lacks the fundemantals just as so many that go through those courses do. Those people know nothing of computer architecture, or different types of databases, they don't even know what a pointer is or what even stack overflow means.

I had quite a few projects where I had to clean spagetti code, functions inside of functions, barely no comments and so on. It's a nightmare.

This is partially the reason why I'm going to go into electric engineering.

No. 225452

>>225428
> i locked down an amazon internship for the summer

Fugg, I'm jelly. Congrats!

No. 225461

>>225428
>>225450
Tbh that's the general direction we're heading towards and I don't think there's anything we can do to stop it. The economy nowadays is just a glorified game of musical chairs where everyone keeps trying whatever just to get their foot in the door. It happened with my industry when they started glorifying the Patrick Bateman/Wolf of Wall Street lifestyle and now you have fucking Pepe shitposters taking care of other people's money and being generally disgusting, it happened with law, it's now happening to IT, engineering is next.
Whatever the next hip career path is, it'll get ruined by cash-grabbing normies. And I don't blame them at all, I don't think anyone was born wanting to be an accountant or septic tank engineer, they just fell into it and any sort of gatekeeping is kinda hypocritical since in my experience 90% of the people already working in the industry went into it because they wanted to make mad cash, it's why those STEM nerds on Reddit make fun of people with humanities degrees for wanting to do what they love after all. Maybe they like what they do, but there's no guarantee any of the people getting into it because it's the cool new thing won't, perhaps even more than you do.
Just be glad you have a good job and can do the work with relative ease.

No. 225489

>>225428
I have a really intense advanced algorithms class coming up, it's basically a semester of coursework compressed into one month with two exams. Also looking for an internship, congrats on yours! Amazon sounds pretty great.

I think it's annoying but there's nothing much you can do. I think certain areas of CS are more affected by this than others (like web dev). I generally hate the trend of people trying to get into STEM hoping to be handed a job the minute they get their degree. It's not going to happen.

No. 225507

>>225428
>my main issues are 1) i'd like this job market to be advantageous for employees
THIS. I guess employers are trying to get the market to themselves more and raise a horde of programmers to drag down the salaries and the working conditions. I really wish the pushing of the field would stop.

>>225461
>Tbh that's the general direction we're heading towards and I don't think there's anything we can do to stop it
Well thankfully only a very few people have the patience and the perseverance to become a programmer. I've seen so many people try it and fail miserably because they simply can't get into the mindset. If you don't have the passion and interest for it, it's not going to work out. It requires a lot more actual effort to become good and get concrete results than having some other pencil-pushing occupation that's not as meritocratic as programming.

Honestly though I love programming and it's what I want to do with my life but I have to admit that I'm 50% doing it for the money. It pays really well and allows me to pursue my other passions on my free time due to my monetary resources.

No. 225618

>>225450
You can still 'pass for' trans, if they act confused claim you've dyed your hair (not uncommon) and used color contacts for your pictures to make yourself less identifiable to people who might have known you in the past.

No. 225637

>>225450
>>225489
see it pains me even more because i love web dev/web design since i've always been a very visual person (was going to major in fine arts but like >>225507 says, CS pays more a lot more $$ and i fucking love solving problems and creating new things) but that's the first place normies go. at this point i'll probably have to choose another specialization…i guess machine learning or big data is the only option i have atm since that's what the professor i research under does. i just like a lot of CS concepts in general so it's been hard for me to pick one field. i really really love generative art but i'm not sure if a lucrative career can be made in that.

>>225452
>>225489
thank you anons! amazon is still for more SWEs and i heard this year they really opened the floodgates - i'm betting that's why i got in because my interview just went okay lmao. so def apply if you're interested in them.

by the way grace hopper scholarships just opened! anyone ever been? i went for the first time last year and it was so amazing. i got so much networking opportunities, swag, and free food lol. but most importantly i found this group of girls who were the same race as me (we're rare in tech) and it was comforting being able to connect with people that shared similar upbringings - i've never gotten to experience that before. i still chat with one girl in particular from time to time. also i had applied to amazon via their grace hopper subsection, so that might have helped my chances?

No. 225655

>>225618
That's a really dumb idea, most people irl are not that tolerant towards trans people so anon would hurt her opportunities more than just saying she got harassed under her real name, plus it'd be really obviously a lie.

No. 225789

>>225637
Congrats though! Amazon is a pretty tough company to get a job with.

No. 226165

Has anyone had interviews lately and if so how did they go?

No. 226190

>>226165
i had interviews with facebook, amazon, and google throughout late november - early jan.

facebook went terribly since i had been learning 5+ languages during the schoolyear and didn't have time to review python. wasn't surprised to get a rejection like a week later lol.

amazon went just okay. i blanked out on a few questions (e.g. abstract classes) and only managed to solve one question. they had a lot more questions about OOP rather than problem solving like the other two companies. i gave up on them but they e-mailed me about 3 weeks later saying i was accepted.

with google, i did their usual two phone interviews. the first one went sub-par since i misunderstood the question, but the second went really well and my interviewer and i talked quite a lot. i guess they were on the fence about me, so they scheduled a third interview. that one went pretty well and i got their acceptance about two weeks later. BUT there is a final part, project-matching, so i'm waiting to see how that goes.

No. 226206

>>226190
What kinds of questions did they ask you, anon?

No. 226226

>>226206
Seconding.

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