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No. 221822
>>221774Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but why can't there be both? Why can't women be treated equally by someone who is also honest about their opinions and treats you as a normal human being (nothing special, but nothing worthless either)? Is it because truthfully all men don't view women as equal at all? So you can either have a guy who lies to you and says he doesn't view you as inferior, or a man who is honest about thinking you're inferior and is upfront about it?
That is very sad. I mean are women just doomed to be hated and treated like shit? Because it feels like it all the time.
No. 221828
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If a man is openly not feminist, it does't mean that he's a women hater, he's probably just sane.
No. 221829
>>221828I have to disagree here. If a man sees being "anti-feminist" as a large part of his personality, and puts all his energy into being "anti-feminist", that's a red flag that he is a misogynist. Most of them won't admit to it, and they'll claim they're egalitarian or whatever, but then spend all their time shitting on women and talking about how we're bad and evil and inferior exc exc. I've met so many men like this that now if I hear a guy describe himself as anti-feminist, I run.
I would say that if a man is just neutral about feminism and doesn't have a strong feeling about it either way, and doesn't literally start foaming at the mouth in pure unadulterated rage at the mere mention of the word feminism, he's probably the most likely to be sane and not hate women (that much).
No. 221835
>>221829>If a man sees being "anti-feminist" Not being something, does not make you anti or against it.
You should sort your own way of thinking out, before questioning others.
No. 221836
>>221835Did you stop right there? I'm talking about men who are vehemently against feminism, and spend a large portion of their time screaming about feminism. It makes you think, doesn't it?
And if you read the rest of my post
>they'll claim they're egalitarian or whatever, but then spend all their time shitting on women and talking about how we're bad and evil and inferior exc exc.I explain why I view them this way. Not simply because they say the words 'I'm anti-feminist.' It's that, combined with their actions and views that reveal how they really feel - not about feminism, but about women.
No. 221837
>>221829No disagreement here. I didn't say/meant anti-feminist i said/meant not a feminist.
>>221834All modern feminism is insane i tell ya, both genders already are equal under the rule of law (unless one lives under islam), you don't get any more equal than that. What do feminist even want?
No. 221840
>>221837Oh, apologies then. I misunderstood you and immediately jumped to anti-feminist.
>both genders already are equal under the rule of law (unless one lives under islam)I'm not the anon you're replying to here, but I do want to mention that I think a lot of modern feminists just want to see societal attitudes about women change. Yes, we are equal under the law. But there are still a lot of sexism and misogyny present in every aspect of society, and most of us would like to see that improve in the future. In fact I would say that it seems like misogyny is becoming more mainstream now, and it is so common to hate women and view us as worthless and inferior that society doesn't even bat an eyelash at something like TRP and all of the 'philosophy' that a lot of men buy into there. You could argue that these things are just a fact of life, and you can't change societal attitudes like that, and maybe you would be right. But I think a large portion of modern feminists would still like to try. A lot of the time it does feel hopeless, though. And in addition to that, what substantial courses of action can you really take? I'm not sure.
That's just me though. I know 'modern feminism' is a clusterfuck of different opinions and goals, and I do agree that some of it is just overboard. I already see it splitting into different factions, and personally I think that's a good thing.
No. 221842
>>221840>I think a lot of modern feminists just want to see societal attitudes about women change. They just want their cake and to eat it too, and they do it by attacking people on both sides to justify their own existence.
They are nothing but opportunists exploiting peoples emotions and creating a "us VS them" mentality.
>>221829 Did just that themselves, by jumping to the conclusion that "not feminist = anti feminist"
These are people that are looking to victimize themselves, just for the sake of appearances to others
No. 221843
>>221841What is the cake that you think they want to have and eat to?
Look, I'm not a feminist spokesperson, but for me all I ask is that one day misogyny is seen as relatively unacceptable, and isn't encouraged, laughed at, or written off as not being a problem.
>>221842I already apologized for jumping to the conclusion that they were talking specifically about anti-feminism. And, I wasn't trying to victimize myself, but explain my thoughts on the topic. But like they said, that wasn't even what they were referring to, so I apologized for jumping in with a moot point.
No. 221848
>>221845>feminists want 100% of men to stop something at most 10% do>they think a good way of meeting this goal is by attacking everyone that does not bow down to themCriminals commit crimes, making laws or social standards that punish the non criminals doesnt actually stop the criminals
Use some common sense when making bad arguments
Also, maybe women should fix their own problem by not dating rapists and trying to act like responsible adults that have to accept some level of accountability, rather than impudent children that think everyone should cater to them because they are "special"
You are either special or just like everyone else, you cant have it both ways.
>>221847Maybe you should be talking to the actual rapists then
No. 221850
>>221848>Maybe you should be talking to the actual rapists then?
You say this as if I have them on speed dial. This problem is far more pervasive than you think, and unless someone is convicted or put on a sex offender registry, rapists are not easy to differentiate from normal men. They come in all shapes, sizes, and types.
No. 221851
>>221845>for men to stop raping, abusing, and treating women like subhuman trash.Notice how you didnt say
>for men to stop raping, abusing, and treating OTHERS like subhuman trash.You dont care about men that get killed raped etc etc
No. 221852
>>221850So you are complaining about a problem that you dont know how to solve and attacking people, that arent actually committing the acts, because they arent stopping it? When you yourself said it is bigger than one thinks, and havent done anything to reduce?
Go complain to Hollywood about the problem, or politicians. Normal people that dont have to deal with it, are too busy struggling in their own lives to fix it.
Because if you havent noticed, every time a feminist rally goes on somewhere, some rapist "self identified male feminist" gets into the group and takes advantage of women. When in reality you would think they should be the most defensive people.
But instead they get attacked, assaulted or raped and use that to continue their attacks on common folk.
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>>221851Nice strawman. Men get
triggered by every little thing, huh? Anyways over 90% of rapes are committed against females and even the most racist males see eachother as more human than any human females. Not to mention
you're doing it to yourselves lmao, so no, I don't feel too bad for you guys. Get fucked.
No. 221855
>>221848>implying only 10% of men treat women like trashWhat a naive, male thought.
>maybe women should fix their own problem by not dating rapists and trying to act like responsible adults that have to accept some level of accountability, rather than impudent children that think everyone should cater to them because they are "special"I mean, men could just stop raping women, but yeah it's totally the woman's fault she got involved with someone she had no way of knowing would turn out to be a rapist.
No. 221856
>>221848>Also, maybe women should fix their own problem by not dating rapists What the fuck are you even on about?
>You are either special or just like everyone else, you cant have it both ways.No, most of us want to be treated as EQUALS. If you think be looked at as worthless, inferior, less competent, wrong and evil no matter what you do, judged immediately on the fact that you're female instead of on your individual merits is the same treatment that men get, you're fucking wrong. No one ever looks at a man and thinks "oh, he's a man I bet he can't do this job. I bet he has no idea what he's talking about. He's beneath me." But the majority of people do think those things when they see a woman. There's an immediate reaction there, they don't even wait to see how capable you are and what you know. It's already assumed that you're worthless and have nothing to contribute because you're just a dumb woman who shouldn't even be outside the home to begin with.
Men DO NOT treat women the way they treat other men. They treat men with a baseline level of human decency, as a woman you have to earn the right to be treated as a human being and not a worthless piece of fuckmeat, and even if you do "earn it", they're all still thinking it.
Like your point above - when a man gets raped, do you say "maybe he should fix his own problem by not dating rapist women?" No, you don't. You have at the very least a modicum of empathy for your fellow man. You don't have that for women.
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>>221845Crime is already illegal, gender shouldn't play a role in this.
>>221847But haw can feminists help improve the attitude towards women when all they seam to accomplish is alienation of things that naturally belong together, or hostility between those who are properly in harmony.
No. 221858
>>221852>Go complain to Hollywood about the problem, or politicians.Last I checked, they were getting heat for it.
>Normal people that dont have to deal with it, are too busy struggling in their own lives to fix it.Wtf? You think normal women don't have to deal with rape? Are you serious? Women of all backgrounds are affected by it, that's what makes it a social issue and not just a personal one. Your average Joe could be a rapist just as well as any Hollywood big shot. Again, there's no clear-cut way of differentiating men who rape from men who don't.
This statement right here shows that you don't know a fucking lick of what you're arguing about.
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>>221857>all they seam to accomplish is alienation of things that naturally belong together, or hostility between those who are properly in harmony.Lmao. All I gotta say is that I never even thought about 'feminism' until I started to see how much men fucking hate women, telling women that we're all worthless wet holes that belong in the kitchen, will never amount to anything, and should shut the fuck up because we have nothing of value to contribute or say. Until I saw men laughing and making jokes and women who experience rape and sexual assault. Until I became aware of places like the red pill, incels, mgtow. Maybe talk to your fellow men about alienation and hostility.
But I can't believe I still hold out and expect men to have even a bit of empathy for women. I'm constantly let down, it's time that I learn.
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>>221828Imo anyone who labels themselves something is usually trying to compensate. In this case it's men trying to look pro-feminist because of their actual rapey tendencies.
I hate this guy and his channel but this video has no commentary except listing names and events.
This really outlines what I mean
https://youtu.be/HjojBUsTzG0?t=9m19shttps://www.minds.com/blog/view/791946688543195136Male feminists are rapey as shit.
I don't really care for the argument going on here about whether or not we need feminism and where.
No. 221861
>>221851Yeah, and I'm sure when you read things like this you feel absolutely nothing, because women need to stop asking for special treatment AKA being treated like a human being. I'm sure you having nothing but empathy for women.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/19/us/ford-chicago-sexual-harassment.htmlhttps://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1myzqk/women_of_reddit_what_is_the_most_misogynistic/The truth is that women who speak out about shit like this ANNOY men. Men don't care what happens to women, and they certainly don't ever want to consider taking steps to change it. It doesn't affect them, it only affects those worthless holes, why should anyone care? Women who don't want to be treated like trash and just want the same respect and humanization men give to other men are an inconvenience for them. Women are just children who don't want to don't want to take responsibility for their actions because they dare ask that men face the consequences for theirs.
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>>221859So you went to some corner of the internet for lonely sociopaths, red how they shittalked your gender and decided to become like them? Seams like a bad deal.
No. 221865
>>221856>Men DO NOT treat women the way they treat other men. They treat men with a baseline level of human decency, as a woman you have to earn the right to be treated as a human being and not a worthless piece of fuckmeat, and even if you do "earn it", they're all still thinking it. It really shows how they actually feel about women when they infer that basic human decency is "special treatment," like they can't even be assed to not treat women like utter tash because it's just "too much"
But anyway, this isn't the thread to be going off on tangents about men in general.
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>>221864>implying men only hate women on the internetNo. They're everywhere. They outnumber men that don't view women as useless fuckholes, if those men even exist at all.
>>221865This.
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>>221857>crime is already illegalPic related. Men do it anyways and get away with it all the fucking time. They don't face any societal backlash either, SPECIFICALLY from other men.
>things that naturally belong together, or hostility between those who are properly in harmonyLOL are you talking about men and misogyny? Honestly, name a more iconic duo. I'll wait. That's the whole reason why males are fucking trash.
Anyways, go ask the shitty men who feel alienated by feminism because they interpret it as a personal attack on them that question.
No. 221883
>>221870>this is the same to you?One of the cheery-picked examples is portrayed in positive light while the other in not?
I've seen way more aggressive feminist rhetoric than in your example.
I don't want to argue, which cult of fanatics is worse, advocating only for the rights of your own gender seams to be a part of the problem.
>>221872What an outrageous infographic! How is that even possible? Maybe we need more women in law enforcement?
No. 221896
>>221883That's what the majority of them think. Add to that that women who aren't naturally at least a 7/10 are disgusting, women who wear makeup are whores, and something about Chad or the "cock carousel."
Don't really care what you've seen because this is basic feminist rhetoric.
>I don't want to argue, which cult of fanatics is worseGood, because it's not up for debate
>advocating only for the rights of your own gender seams to be a part of the problem.Wouldn't have to if men would actually respect us :/