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I fucking hate liberals feminists who think sex work is liberating. lol @ being financially dependent on having sex with loser men.

Yeah I have no idea. I was once sleeping with this stripper and her and her friends were god awful people. I could tell how used to being worshipped she was because she behaved dreadfully in the real world. Men would go to work and confess their love for her all the time and throw hundreds of dollars at her just for her time. Then I went to McDonald's with her once and her friends too and they accused this poor teenager of being too lazy to serve them and that's why he was saying the ice cream machine was broken and they literally ganged up on this poor kid.

When I went home and left her there she sent me texts for weeks afterwards telling me that I had pretended to be the nice guy she always wanted etc. etc. I was pretty incredulous the way she wanted me to be the bad fuy.

Every interaction I've had with sex workers has been more or less the same. But I get it tbh, it would be a difficult thing to come back down to earth when your job is to be put on a pedestal by an endless stream of men.

i mostly hate how they act like they're the most disadvantaged group of people ever, when most "sex workers" on the internet are upper middle class women who made the choice to start camming/selling lewds as a cop out of getting an actual job. yet they still have the audacity to compare themselves to women who do full service sex work just to make enough to survive

i also don't consider it to be truly empowering like internet sex workers love to make it out to be, since the vast majority of content made is catered towards what men want. any "job" that relies on male approval isn't healthy imo and only reinforces the idea that women are sexual objects

>>218668

Maybe I'm a hypocrite, but as a Domme, every interaction I've had with prostitutes/strippers has been awful. I don't charge money for my services, myself, but they act like we're one in the same because we occasionally run into each other in kinky social circles.

(Although a playmate of mine did give me a lovely blender for the holidays. But I would hardly compare that to stripping.)

>>218710
domme is different, most times you don't even have to do anything sexual. i think the hypocrisy with prostitutes and strippers is that they claim how dumb men are just coming to them begging for their bodies, but leave out the fact that they have to market themselves and compete just like in real careers, and often do degrading weird shit. they act as if men just fall into their laps when they don't. i mean at strip clubs they literally have to spread their legs for male attention, to take it away from the other girls. nothing easy or glamorous or even different from standard careers, it just doesn't require you to be smart.

>>218723
but but but…i get paid to have sex and you don't!!!!

>>218668
Good god, why is this person so insecure?

>don't think talking bad about our customers and clients is cool and helpful
I mean nobody does it to be helpful #1, but why does she even care? Everyone makes fun of certain customers and clientele. Wal Mart shoppers for instance?
Like I'm sure not every person who pays for prostitutes is an unsuccessful neckbeard, but there is a common pattern.
>don't talk to me unless you have money
Cute.

I use to be friends with a prostitute, they're some of the most mentally ill people I've ever met, given some get trapped into sadly, but this is more talking about the people who do it by choice/could easily get a job but don't want to, and it would shock them when people have normal relationships, then they would just treat anyone that tries to help them like shit,she would often drag me into shitty/dangerous situations

I think it's a kneejerk reaction to the common opinion that whores are…well, whores.
They get so used to having to defend their profession in every conversation, that they've gone off the opposite extreme.
They go on the offense straight away before the other party can even express their opinion, since they take it for granted that it'll be a negative one.

Couple that with the typical amount of worship that even a half-attractive sex worker will get from men, and you have a recipe for egomaniacal tendencies.

Personally, I don't take issue with someone doing sex work or work related to sex. Your body your choice.

I think that it starts with having to defend their profession and lifestyle from radfems that can't take "I made a choice to do this and I stand by my choice to do sex work." as an answer and constantly degrade sex workers by saying they're being abused, used, manipulated, etc. and how men will never love them/they're only doing it for male attention/etc. and the ones who think any type of sex with a man is degrading to women as a whole and think any type of compensation for sex = rape combined with your other people that think only greasy basement dwelling manchildren pay for sex, after a while, it wears onto you to the point they have to become arrogant. It's annoying but to a degree understandable for someone to go on the offense when it comes to that. Not a sex worker myself, but I did use to have "kink critical" associates and whenever the topic of sex would come up I was under the fire constantly.

Empowerment is personal. I'm not going to tell or argue with someone that their lifestyle isn't empowering to them as long as they're making informed decisions, aware of potential consequences, and doing what they can to keep themselves safe. I.e STD testing, using condoms, birth control etc. If someone genuinely enjoys being a stripper or a camgirl I'm not going to badger them over it.

However, a lot of them (especially those on Tumblr) have adopted a "Don't insult me and don't talk to me unless you have money." attitude. They surround themselves with people who have the same attitude and in one breath they'll diss their own clientele and in another be talking about how they love their clients. They have a perceived notion of power and they can finally be the Regina George that they've always wanted to be. No one can criticize or express an opinion opposing theirs, even if it isn't insulting their profession and criticizing the arrogant attitude they take and how they would come off as a cliche high school popular bitch. They think that they're queens in when reality, (as far as I see it) they're just people who do sex as a profession. No different than someone who has any other occupation.

>>218835
>I think that it starts with having to defend their profession and lifestyle from radfems that can't take "I made a choice to do this and I stand by my choice to do sex work."
>Empowerment is personal. I'm not going to tell or argue with someone that their lifestyle isn't empowering to them as long as they're making informed decisions, aware of potential consequences, and doing what they can to keep themselves safe.
The critcism doesn't come from a place of whether or not it personally benefits them, we can see that is the case if they're partaking in priveleged forms of sex work. What's questionable is their willingness to contribute to, and thereby fuel an industry where the vast majority of sex """work""" is exploitative to other women (and girls,) who are at a huge disadvantage. Yes it is their choice and in some way it can be empowering, but only for them. It does no service to the women who have to suffer the brunt of what sex work really entails.

I do think sex work is degrading even to people not practicing it and only gives fuel to misogynist men to declare "see? women LOVE pleasuring men!". And I have yet to see a woman who made it through with no mental damage. It's dangerous and dehumanizing and the industry is associated with a lot of human trafficking. That's why a lot of sex workers have the immediate need to talk about how much they ~love~ their profession and how ~easy~ and ~empowering~ it is, while turning around and crying about their daddy issues, drug abuse and depression they medicate with dopamine highs.

>>218845
>What's questionable is their willingness to contribute to, and thereby fuel an industry where the vast majority of sex """work""" is exploitative to other women (and girls,) who are at a huge disadvantage.
This.

>>218835
it increases human trafficking and violence, the average age sex workers start is 14, only about 8% of sex workers actually want to stay in it, and pic related, but okay. much empowerment uwu

>>218848
>>218845>>218846

So women are not allowed to have a personal form of empowerment that is actually WORK because all forms of sex work are the same = human trafficking?

A misogynistic male wile declares that women love pleasuring men whether or not women get paid for work. If a woman stays home because she enjoys being a caretaker and housewife, a misogynistic male will use that to say that women are subserviant to men. A misogynistic male will use anything to degrade a women or women in general. By that logic, women can't even be housewives or mothers because misogynistic men will say use it as proof that women just LOVE being childbearing cows.

If you're under the age of 18 or not doing it out of free will, that isn't sex work. That's sexual and human trafficking + rape. As prostitution is currently illegal and thus unregulated in the US, there are no laws in place that actually protect sex workers beyond don't do sex work unless it is pornography or stripping. No one says to factory workers that them working in a factory contributes to human slavery and sweatshops so why are women who willingly participate in sex work treated as if they are a reason that women are unwillingly kidnapped and forced into prosititution as opposed to the sick bastards that force women be sexual slaves?

>>218856
lol legalized prostitution increases human trafficking even more, stupid
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1986065

smh, liberal feminism is a mess

>>218856
You're missing the point. By partaking in the industry they're still supporting human trafficking as they're creating demand for a business that causes issues like anon here described >>218862 . The girls who talk about how "empowering" sex work is are the privileged, well-off exhibitionist girls who are doing (semi-)nudes and online modeling for pocket money to buy nice things. The majority of sex workers don't have the opportunity to just quit like they do, they're owned by a pimp that controls their life or driven to the situation as a last resort. Sweatshop workers are a different kind of issue and not comparable to prostitution, they work under awful conditions but their work still doesn't include submitting your body for abuse. There's a reason why factory working girls in the 3rd world countries say that it was either this or prostitution, and they picked the factory. Being violated sexually takes a much bigger strain on your mental state. The human brain is simply built that way. That's why sexual abuse, especially when experienced at a young age, is such a hard trauma to deal with.

Porn stars have been reported to possess multiple mental issues, often severe depression coupled with dissociative identity disorder due to being sexually abused as a child. The "sex workers" who post lingerie shots online to get a couple hundred bucks on Patreon and talk about how empowering it is to be in control of their sexuality and how glamorous sex work is make up an extremely small percentage of all people in the business. And what's worse, most clients don't want to stop with lingerie photos or nudes, they want physical sex. And most people can't afford to pay for a high-class escort that charges $1000 a night. That's when they go for the cheap craigslist ad that some pimp put up. Just like people pick the cheap knock-off sweatshop Nikes because they want trendy, glorified sneakers but can't afford the ethical kind.

>>218866
There are mid-range sex workers doing all this SJW stuff on Twitter, not just cam girls. A lot of them list their prices online and it’s nowhere near that high, also you book per hour not an entire night, I agree with some of your points but it seems like you haven’t done much research tbh.

>>218875
escorts do tho. do your own research.

I feel many of them develop a massive ego because of such a strong need to market themselves as amazing or truly special. The indie eacort market is more about how you market yourself than how you really are. So they develop their own independence, and use social media all the time and whether that attention may be good or bad, it gives them visibility and visibility means more of a likelyhood to get new customers. If you ever meet one of them, chances are you will find yourself cheated that all you boight into was a just a bunch of marketing fluff.

The ones that aren't are usually the ones who work at an agency where the agency does the marketing while the girls stay quiet about their lives.

Somehow though, i feel most of this stems from sex workers in the US but these thoughts are spreading rapidly. A lot of these people talk a big game but have no business sense. They talk about how liberating sex work is but hate the idea of customers writing reviews and discussing on their own forums about their opinions on the scene. If you live you customers so much, why do you hate what is essentially them giving you free publicity unless youre deathly afraid of the realization nothing your service and looks are nothing special. This is just a drop in the bucket really but a better idea is to just check the threads on the gaijins in /snow/. They're really something…

It's disgusting, dehumanizing and deranged, plus damaging and humiliating to women, even the ones who try to fool themselves thinking it's liberating somehow. >>218669 and >>218846 couldn't have said it better. Also I hope their clients dicks rot and fall.

>>218866

>they work under awful conditions but their work still doesn't include submitting your body for abuse

You would be surprised at the kind of abuse these women/children(yeah, there are kids working in sweatshops) go through. Regular beatings and even sexual harassment are hardly unheard of. It's basically slavery.

OT really has become a shithole. OP is clearly a robot.

>>218967
and yet there's endless accounts of those very sweatshop workers choosing that over sexual slavery.

>>218968
lmao are they? they don't seem like that.

>>218968
lmao you can be a woman and hate the idea of sex work or hate that people demand respect in a field of work that is highly controversial. just chill and little

>>218967
It's horrible and absolutely unacceptable but at least getting raped/molested and abused is not the whole basis of working in factory.

>>218968
Most robots love sex work (because they hate women)

>>218968
Anon, please

I personally find the biggest assholes are findommes. I'm not talking about practicing dominatrices who have experience under their belt but what they call "instadommes". Go to any findomme forum or on instagram and theres tons of inexperienced girls who think theyre entitled to money without effort. Try and have them explain their woes and they'll spew some weird bs.

>>218971
This. Like, did that anon totally miss the thread /ot/ had on abuse in the porn industry and how we're sick of certain feminists pushing how we need to support fellow women or else baawww?