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No. 19995
>>19978That map is incorrect. All the countries in the Balkans are candidate countries (+Turkey) and Croatia is an EU member.
My thoughts? To be honest, I don't want them. I don't mind the current migrants as long as they work and integrate, mind, but when they start coming in droves they're gonna start bringing their culture along with them. And I don't want any of it.
I don't like the Moroccans in Brussels calling me a whore in my own country just for being white and female. I don't like the Arabs who refuse to talk to me because I've got a vagina. I don't like the Rotherham rapes, I don't like using English in my own country if the person I'm speaking to has lived here for years without even attempting to learn the language. Those same people then whinge about how the authorities won't allow them to get citizenship. Why would I give you citizenship if you obviously don't want to be a citizen of this country? There's plenty of lovely, educated people who have made a tremendous effort to fit in that I could grant that citizenship to.
There's people who have been born here but still refer to themselves as 'Marocains'. They don't even mean it like 'Irish-American', they literally refer to Moroccans as 'us' and Belgians as 'them'. Even though Belgium has been the one to feed them, clothe them, educate them and give their parents money and shelter. Said people have usually never even lived in Morocco.
In universities people are usually different (there's more SJWs though), you have students from all walks of life and all nationalities, some of which unexpected. One of my friends refers to himself as Finnish even though he's of Kenyan heritage. Because he was born in Finland and grew up there. There's always gonna be neonazis and the far-right who take issue with it, but fuck them.
Also, respond to that bait and I'll personally come to your house in the middle of the night and fuck your mum. Mark my words.
No. 20000
>>19995yeah sorry I just grabbed a picture that seemed related-ish.
Thanks for responding! How regularly do you get harassed would you say? Is it mostly people on the street antagonizing you?
I'm in the US, I don't live in an area with a lot of Mexican people but it seems like our immigrants in general want to join our country, people coming to the countries and remaining completely cut off from the community they are choosing to live in seems insane to me.
Sorry I can't really think of any good questions to ask ~
No. 20002
>>20001??? why are people on this site obsessed with black people
I was mainly referring to the Americas and Australia seeing as how they've been the most colonized places
No. 20006
>>20001What did I say about responding to bait? Tell your mum I'm not bringing lube.
>>20000Not as often as I implied actually, but occasionally. Thing is, it shouldn't be happening at all. I've been to places where you don't need to look out for gypsy pickpockets, militant Muslims and catcalls, and it was heavenly. It's not THAT bad here, again, but it still shouldn't be happening at all, as I said before.
It's mostly working class people, youths loitering on the street, construction workers on break etc.
No. 20008
>>20001What did I say about responding to bait? Tell your mum I'm not bringing lube.
>>20000Not as often as I implied actually, but occasionally. Thing is, it shouldn't be happening at all. I've been to places where you don't need to look out for gypsy pickpockets, militant Muslims and catcalls, and it was heavenly. It's not THAT bad here, again, but it still shouldn't be happening at all, as I said before.
It's mostly working class people, youths loitering on the street, construction workers on break etc.
No. 20010
I think it's fine to have immigrants here and helping them out, but they do carry their problems. We used to have actual refugees that were on the run from the war or persecution like the Vietnamese during the 70's, but now we have people who just want a richer life without doing anything and refusing to integrate in the society. For Americans this is hard to understand because their immigrants are Mexicans who actually work hard and all their African people have integrated pretty well to the society and were brought there as slaves to work anyway, but here we have tons of African and Middle-Eastern immigrants of the first generation who have no intention of becoming a part of society.
They flock to their own kind, don't work, carry on their own traditions (almost every Somali girl gets sent to their home country to be circumcised and/or to marry their older relative) and have a bad attitude in general. They dominate the rape statistics in almost every country because a woman without a veil is basically asking for it. The Nordic countries are popular because they have a gratuitous form of welfare and a socialist society in which everyone has to be guaranteed a well-off life. This system has been possible for years because of the small population and a balanced dependency ratio, but the immigrants pouring in are putting the whole thing out of balance.
They think that the native people are pigs and their kids shouldn't be affiliated with them, at least not in a romantic way. I've seen African immigrant girls getting beat up by their fathers for talking with a native boy and "disgracing" their family. They're living under constant fear and nobody does anything because of m-muh racism. The 2nd generation immigrants can become conflicted because their family lives with the strict standards of their original culture but the society around them doesn't , which is why they join terrorist organizations like ISIS.
(source: I'm an eurotrash living in a neighborhood with a lot of African and Middle-eastern immigrants)
>>20000>I'm in the US, I don't live in an area with a lot of Mexican people but it seems like our immigrants in general want to join our country, people coming to the countries and remaining completely cut off from the community they are choosing to live in seems insane to me.That's because Americans expect them to do so. You either get along with others, make your own life or leave. In Europe we are very naive about the whole thing and have a very deep-buried hatred and shame for our own culture since we've been taught since birth that we're not exotic or special, and other countries have a much richer culture than us. Even that one Swedish politician said this:
>"I think that's what makes many Swedes jealous of immigrant groups. You have a culture, an identity, a history, something that brings you together. And what do we have? We have Midsummer's Eve and such silly things."Nobody demands them to integrate or get along, they're just told that they're special and amazing, and the society around them should change to suit their needs instead of them.
No. 20015
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>>20004I think the majority of illegal immigrants are Mexican? wikipedia says pic related. We share a pretty big boarder too.
No. 20020
>>20010this was pretty insightful anon. but you can't really pretend that a lot of them arent targeted because of "m-muh racism". i don't care if people think it's justified or based in some sort of reality. being xenophobic as fuck doesn't help.
i live in a bumblefuck town with a large somali refugee replacement program. so i see what you mean about them trying to hold on to culture. at least in america though, they forget that all their immigrant groups did the same thing. irish, polish, russian, german, italian. and subsequently got shat on for not fully assimilating.
i wish i was born 100 years in the future when this kind of shit was over with and we were more focused on colonizing Mars or whatever.>>20010
No. 20026
>>20020A lot of them do, of course. Hell, even some of the white immigrants (usually Eastern Europeans) get shit on.
>>20010You're Swedish, I take it?
>we've been taught since birth that we're not exotic or special, and other countries have a much richer culture than usYeah nah, plenty of Europeans were taught that they should be proud of their country. Some of them a bit too much. But lately it's become racist to fly your own flag on public holidays because then you're 'excluding all those foreigners!'. To tell you the truth, I miss the days when we didn't care more about the foreigners than ourselves.
No. 20031
>>20006>>20008Yeah thanks for answering. I think construction workers are always trouble lol!
>>20010>"I think that's what makes many Swedes jealous of immigrant groups. You have a culture, an identity, a history, something that brings you together. And what do we have? We have Midsummer's Eve and such silly things."LOL wat, fuck, Europe is fucking old and interesting, and that quote is borderline fetishistic. You don't need to have the 'vibrant culture of the brown poor people with beaded fabrics' to have a culture. Sorry you guys oppress yourselves for being white. In the US, our culture is 'we killed the native people' and 'melting pot' not exactly rooted in thousands of years of history. lordy.
Is the violence not being addressed at all? What do you think it will take for it to be dealt with in a more open way? I always wonder how exaggerated it is because of prejudice like
>>20020 brought up.
I'm sure it's hard moving to a new place and feeling displaced but bringing violence and crazy is such shit.
No. 20032
>>20031It's usually covered up like in the UK. Also Sweden has one of the largest feminist parties in Europe (aside from I think Iceland) and they're the ones who are borderline fanatic about all the illegals.
A lot of immigrants also tend to excuse everything with 'well that's how we used to do it BACK HOME!'. Tough shit, this isn't your home country. Love it or leave it. Iirc the Norwegian CPS arrests a lot of Czech mothers because they're used to spanking their children, which is illegal in many Nordic countries. Which sometimes makes me think whoever said 'spare the rod, spoil the child' was right.
No. 20033
>>20031dude, what? So many countries around the world try to emulate American culture, which for the most part
is white. In my history classes in school I was taught about white peoples struggle in trying to start new lives here after immigrating, especially concerning Italians and the Irish.
I live in nyc but a lot of what people consider to be culture here is usually related to Italian/Irish/Greek/Jewish American people. For minority groups Latinos take precedence, however they don't overshadow the "white" culture (I don't like using that umbrella term b/c I think culture doesn't have to do with race. Italy and Germany aren't alike to me, just like Nigeria and SOuth Africa aren't, just like Korea and India areant and just like Mexico and Puerto Rico aren't) that exists here.
For the most part, most immigrants (illegal or not) due tend to stick together, which is totally understandable to me because they need to be by people who can understand them and vice versa, but like someone else mentioned, they still want to become American, which means assimilating into the culture, if not at least being whatever nation - american
No. 20036
>>20033This is really sad to me. We've even started celebrating Halloween. What the fuck. Meanwhile our own culture is seen as 'lame' and 'stupid' and you even get native teenagers speaking English to each other because that's what the people on TV do!
Some of them seem so proud of it too. You'll often hear things like 'I wish everyone spoke English' or 'teehee I've forgotten what the word for x is! I speak English so much better nowadays LOL'
No. 20037
>>20032Yeah I just wonder how much people can ignore. 'ur a racist' can't work forever, right? right?
>>20033Haha sorry I was mostly kidding, wasn't trying to ignore the experiences of our immigrants. I do get the impression that people sometimes feel a bit lost culturally because our country is somewhat new though, and a lot of people are too far down the generations of being born here to feel connected to it. Maybe I'm wrong though?
No. 20043
>>20036what country are you from anon?
I was thinking about teaching abroad last year and South Korea offered the best benefits so I started researching about the country, culture and its people. I got super put off by how much they blatantly copy other peoples cultures (in terms of art, food, etc while not giving credit to it, as though they invented it) and fap to all things French. It's like they're obsessed with not being Korean, making claims about shit that isn't Korean being Korean, and then boasting about Korea.
No. 20051
>>20040Oh and another thing I forgot to mention - halfies whose one parent came from a small country.
People from small countries are not just patriotic, they're INCREDIBLY patriotic. You usually don't get this with people whose mum or dad are from the likes of Russia, Germany or Norway. No, it's usually shit like Latvia, Macedonia (inb4 Greek butthurt), sometimes Poland (but not usually). I think it's some kind of Napoleon syndrome. Go to Switzerland, you'll see kids who have never been outside of the country getting into a row because one's parent/s is/are from (insert tiny Slav country) and the other's are from Albania or whatever. Literal autism. They won't fail to mention it any chance they can either - 'no, no, I'm not Swiss, I'm Swiss-LATVIAN.'
I think it's because most immigrants from there had immigrated in the 70s-80s when there was a wave of guest workers who were usually under-educated (and in some cases, semi-literate) and unwanted in their country of origin. For example, if you ask a recent immigrant from idk, Bosnia what they think of those muh heritage 2nd gens, they'll usually say they're annoying chavs. Of course, not everyone is like that (far from it), but I think that's part of the reason why some immigrant groups have had a negative picture painted of their country. In a lot of cases people who actually live in said country can be different as night and day from people who had immigrated a long time ago.
No. 20059
>>20040Yeah, the 'I'm totally 1/24th Cherokee' and etc is rampant but it's interesting the problems the opposite causes.
>>20051It's probably hard being from somewhere else but not that connected to it, but yeah. Maybe people are just looking for a reason to fight?
No. 20068
>>20059Nah, I don't think they're looking to fight. It's kind of a chain reaction - members of a certain minority give grief to members of another minority because muh heritage, then the others return because no MUH heritage etc etc.
This goes doubly for countries with disputed territories (NI, Kosovo, Crimea). Mention it once and watch the rivers of butthurt flow.
No. 20133
>>20036Wait, so trick-or-treating is on the rise in other countries because they're trying to emulate america?
In my area it doesn't even happen anymore. My theory is that parents are concerned about kidnapping and they're too lazy to supervise.
And when the parents do come along, it's always to ask for extra candy because they have kids who couldn't come along or extra candy for their infants who aren't even awake half the time.
No. 20258
>>20218I don't understand your reply baby? I thought you wanted a multicultural-free society like Japan desu? I want a white Europe too but give me a non-white Africa, America and Asia. Oh, and give our spices back while you gtfo, you guys barely even use them.
>>20241Indeed, those are pesky too.
No. 20268
>>20258The native people of North Africa are considered white by some classifications tho
and by Asia you mean East Asia right?
No. 20271
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>>20268>by Asia you mean East Asia right Are you a different anon?
Read this
>>20201
>berbers>white>claimed by some bullshit eurocentric classificationsYou do know those Eurocentric "racial classifications" consider Somalis and Ethiopians white too? Why should they accept that North and East Africans are white if they are treated as literally shit in Europe? (although some of them would find it an honor if they think the white man is some sort of God) It isn't even based on real science anyways. Also, there are black Berbers too…so that doesn't even make sense? (or maybe race IS a social construct? Hey?! No one thought about that?)
But ok, white people are Caucasians but not all Caucasians are white. Fixed, sorta. North/East Africans do not descend from the Caucasus nor are they related to Europeans, at all.
And even if the natives of North of Africa are white (I btw provided a picture of a typical North African for you, qtie pie), I said I want a white-free South Africa, just like I want a white Europe. Or are South Africans white? Well, they sure now are thanks to those pesky motherfuckers. And Moroccans/Somalis are hated to death by Europeans and the darker Moroccans are constantly mistaken for blacks so don't go try to label them suddenly white when it's useful to you.
No. 104889
>>104872because it's practically a part of russia
most don't even speak belarussian anymore, just russian
No. 104902
as an irish person, gotta say, never had problem with black, white or asian immigrants
the only immigrants that have ever been a problem has been romanis which generally are beggars who steal
i'd say it's common belief that the protected group known as travellers/knackers (basically "original" irish people who live in caravans) and romanis are the worst people in the country, rest are usually good
>>19980go back to tumblr
No. 104903
>>104902also one thing i wanna say
i think immigraiton should only be allowed if they are beneficial to the country, obviously people coming for welfare shouldn't be allowed
No. 104904
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So we're not allowed to make new race threads but we're allowed to threads that haven't been active for nearly a year? What's the point then?
>>104902>go back to tumblr>responding to an 11 month old post No. 104915
>>104908Christianity also calls for the slaughter of non believers, and other hideous acts.
Does that mean every Christain is a violent fuckwit? No, therefore why should the crimes of a minority or a book that is as bad as the Torrah or the Bible represent every single follower?
No. 104917
>>104915Christianity calls for "turning the other cheek" and "praying for those who persecute you". Cuck shit basically. You're confusing Christianity and Judaism. Now, Christianity is indeed bad and pernicious, but it's bad and pernicious precisely because it encourages that sort of messed up slave morality and encourages people to status-seek through pathological altruism (e.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Biehl). Because it robs people of a defense mechanism and makes them believe that morality basically means competing with others to show how nice you are to the worst kinds of people imaginable, as a demonstration of this kind of fucked up "altruism".
Finally: There is no way you can sit there and defend the past 4 decades of European immigration and settlement policy. We've seen the creation of giant ethnic ghettoes, we've seen states within states form, we've seen our inner cities become less safe over the period of the last few decades, we've seen third world problems like honor killings and FGM suddenly become "our problems" because of this importation of primitives.
And if you do believe that mass immigration is a-ok and we need to keep on with what we've been doing, then I want you to know you're in a shrinking minority now. You've lost the debate on immigration, you lost it long ago if we're going by pure reason and fact, but now it's obvious to everyone. White people aren't just going to sit around and let themselves become minorities in our our own countries anymore, we're going to get people into power who protect our borders and our people. Not your people, not the Hollandes and Valls and Merkels. The left is finished in Europe.
Oh, and if you call yourself a feminist, eat shit and die you motherfucking hypocrite.
No. 104919
>>104918European elites supported that too.
And half of the chucklefucks on this board support the very woman who brought about such chaos in North Africa and the Near East, and want her to become the next President of the United States.
No. 104920
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>>104915>No, therefore why should the crimes of a minority or a book that is as bad as the Torrah or the Bible represent every single follower?Yawn.
No. 104923
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>>104922It did some good things, and the chucklefucks who think the Crusades were some sort of terrible war of unparalleled cruelty when:
1) The Muslims slaughtered twice as many Christians on Sicily alone a few years before the First Crusade began.
2) The Kingdom of Jerusalem treated Muslims more fairly than their neighboring Muslim "brother" Emirs did.
Piss me off hugely. These people have no sense of macrohistory, they just gobble up whatever the beeb and graun shit down their throats. Alexios requested the pope help him take back parts of Byzantine territory that were conquered by Turkic and Arab raiders over the previous 3-4 hundred years. Compounded by the fact the Muslims were slaughtering pilgrims in the Near East.
No. 104926
>>104923It's not just the Crusades in the Holy Land, it's also the stop put to the Muslim invasion at Tours, the reconquest of Spain, even the defense against the Ottomans at Vienna much later. The West has been under Muslim assault ever since there was Islam.
And the Catholic Church did an enormous amount of other great things in its time as well, probably none of which would have been possible without Jesus' unique message of love and pacifism. But it was always about balancing Christian principles with practical responsibility. Since the Church lost almost all its power between the Reformation and the French Revolution, it also lost all sense of practical responsibility, and now it's just an ivory tower preaching suicide (and so are the Protestant churches at least in Europe), while Christian humanitarianism has taken a life of its own. Every virtue can become a vice when pushed to the extreme, and as GK Chesterton said "The modern world is full of the old Christian virtues gone mad".
No. 104927
>>104926Right, exactly. Muslims began this conflict ever since they took advantage of the exhausted state of the Byzantine and Sassanid Persian Empires (they had been fighting each other for decades prior) to invade them both and steal their land. Muslims have been in a state of near perpetual war ever since then with a variety of Western powers, and that's entirely in keeping with orthodox Islamic theology (dar al harb/dar al islam).
The one unifying thing about shitlibs is that they have no understanding of macrohistory, it's just all purposefully isolated, selective things like the Transatlantic Slave Trade.
No. 104928
>>104926If you'd like me to talk about religion more generally, I can respect some aspects of Christianity. The older traditional Catholic stuff and aspects of Orthodoxy.
However Neoplatonism is something I wish would have morphed into a dominant religion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism No. 104942
Angelique, a 20-year-old girl from Eeklo, was repeatedly abused by her boyfriend. Saturday afternoon, the assault ran out of control and he beat her up on the market in Eeklo. "That was not the first time, I was pregnant with him and hit early in the week and he kicked me so hard until I started bleeding and lost the fetus," says Angelique.
Angelique and her friend Bahir, an Afghan, were ten months together. "The first few months went well, but then he began to manipulate me to live together," says Angelique. "I had at that time not by and let him enroll at my address." A passionate relationship then changed very quickly into a horror story.
"I wasn't allowed to have contact with anyone and he hit my mobiles always broken, he locked me in my bedroom until I peed in my pants," says Angelique. The girl had no contact and was completely cut off from friends and family.
She was beaten and raped for months hard.
"He forced me to four times a day for things I wanted to do. I often have inflammation and pool of blood."
On Monday, the girl lost her child from the abuse.
"He kicked and hit me so hard that I lost my baby six weeks," she says. "He put the embryo even in a plastic bag and took it." The young woman was beaten in the face with a brick.
It is not the first time that the young woman experiencing such offenses. Her previous boyfriend, an Albanian and father of her first child, her also hit. "I thought I was not worth anything, my confidence is completely gone and I've lost a total of more than 20 kilograms," she says.
http://www.hln.be/regio/nieuws-uit-eeklo/vrouw-20-verliest-kindje-na-mishandeling-door-afghaanse-vriend-a2808075/?utm_campaign=regio-r-link&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_content=regioAt least the disgusting baby died.
No. 104958
>>104951Western societies have always been better for women than non-western societies. Women in the Roman Republic could divorce their husbands for domestic abuse 1000 years before Islam was even a thing.
You're welcome to show me a single female historical Muslim head of state too, comparable to Elizabeth I or Catherine the Great.
Oh, and Neo-Confucianism was decidedly secular, but still "worse for women" than Catholicism. And this is coming from someone who generaly dislikes Christianity.
>>104953>"Men are on average taller than women">"That's not true, some women are taller than some men"gg.
>>104957No. The difference is that we generally don't view our own women as "easy meat" and abuse is far less common and more transparent in our societies.
Some white women just hate white men so much they actually believe that all societies are all EXACTLY just as violent, just as abusive to women, just as misogynistic as each other, since the idea of racial/cultural superiority in any way is anathema to them (except when it comes to suggesting black people have "natural rhythm" or other innate behavioral traits that paint non-whites in a good light).
No. 104959
>>104958>Some white women just hate white men so much they actually believe that all societies are all EXACTLY just as violent, just as abusive to women, just as misogynistic as each other
I think the narrative the libs push is that all societies were all equally bad to women until the mid 20th century, until second/third wave feminism came around. The thing is, that even in pre-modern times there were stark differences between how women were treated. For example, women in medieval Europe had a right of inheritance, women in China didn't.
As a further example you'll probably be surprised by, in Puritan New England wife-beating was viewed as something immoral. In Islam it is mandated and acceptable.
No. 104961
>>104959Regarding Puritan New England:
"We hear," reported the New York Gazette; or, the Weekly Post-Boy in 1752, "that an odd Sect of People have lately appeared" at Elizabethtown, New Jersey, "who go under the Denomination of Regulars." The group numbered "near a Dozen" who "dress themselves in Women's Cloaths, and painting their Faces, go in the Evening to the Houses of such as are reported to have beat their Wives." The group would grab the abuser, "strip him, turn up his Posteriors, and flog him with Rods most severely, crying out all the Time, Wo to the Men that beat their Wives." "It seems" continued the Post Boy's correspondent, "that several Persons in that Borough, (and tis said some very deservedly) have undergone the Discipline, to the no small Terror of others, who are any Way conscious of deserving the same."
From "The King's Three Faces: The Rise and Fall of Royal America 1688-1776" by Brendan McConville
No. 104967
>>104965Yeah, it's a good thing that most Muslims are bad Muslims, because if they actually followed the Quran then shit would hit the fan even harder than it has been.
I mean, that's basically what "radicalization" is. Some Muslim kid actually picks up his Quran and the Hadith and starts reading them.
Name one thing that IS have done that Mohammed didn't do for example. Just one.
No. 105174
>>105117Koran:
>kill the infidels wherever you find themBible:
>turn the other cheekI'm sure it's pure coincidence that this is exactly what keeps happening, Muslims killing people, and Christians just letting themselves get killed.
No. 105176
>>105174Have you even read the bible? It too states that non believers should be killed.
The British empire murdered millions and was Christian.
No. 105179
>>105117Christians do not follow the Old Testament, and it's outright stated in Galatians that we aren't bound by it's laws anymore.
The New Testament doesn't encourage violence at any point short of one quote regularly taken out of context, from Luke I believe.
The Old Testament is essentially the Jewish backstory to the NT.
No. 105184
>>105181Not them, but the British Empire was really notoriously imperialistic, they killed a lot of people, though I don't know exact figures.
Had nothing to do with religion though from my knowledge it was just expanding territory.
No. 105207
>>105191I'm not doing that at all, chill out. I'm simply pointing out that it's dumb to act like the british empire didn't do anything wrong, because it was extremely imperialistic.
And yeah, worse than the ottomans, though the arabs aren't a single nation, so you shouldn't compare them as if they were. The British empire controlled 1/5 of the world at points.
This isn't me arguing that we shouldn't be allowed to do anything these days, though, don't get all worked up over it.
No. 105210
>>104965Have YOU ever read the quran? Give me some lines from it that advocates killing infidels and whatnot
with context, please. Genuinely curious what you can come up with.
No. 105211
>>105173>what's the book of revelations hurr>>105179See above
>regularly taken out of contextWhich is exactly what islamphobes such as you do to with the quran. Prove me wrong.
No. 105212
>>105211The book of revelations has nothing to do with encouraging Christians to commit violence.
And how exactly did you get that I'm an islamophobe from me pointing out violence isn't advocated in the NT? I agree that it's only advocated in very specific contexts in the Quran, which is stretched to just mean all the time. Chill.
No. 105216
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>>105210Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
jizna is extortion money for letting you live another day
This is the root to all raps and robberies going on in europe today, muslim see absolute nothing wrong in it, its their religion to do so.
No. 105221
>>105216This map is completely inaccurate. Ignoring the issue with comparing ALL conquests by muslim countries to a single type of war waged by Christian ones, most of the dots on it are just made up anyway. There's no source to the vast, vast majority of those, and even of the one there is a source for, most were raids, not full on battles.
This page explains the context of that quote too.
>https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/06/03/examining-quran-929-does-islam-sanction-the-killing-of-christians-and-jews/ No. 105227
>>105221>comparing ALL conquests by muslim countries to a single type of war waged by Christian onesYou could narrow it down to say, wars of aggression waged by the Ummayad Caliphate and it would still dwarf the number of crusader battles.
Unless you want to pretend that Byzantine Greeks defending their territory in South Italy and Asia Minor is the equivalent of the Islamic invasion of Northern India, I'm not really sure what to say to you. You obviously have a tenuous grasp on history at best Fatima! The aggressive wars waged by Christians, be they in Asia Minor, Iberia or the Near East were fought to recapture territory that had been Christian for thousands of years.
Given up on the whole "Jamaica is a western country" approach, incidentally? LOL.
>>105210Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"
Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…"
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
>>105207>do anything wrongBy whose moral standards is conquest and war "wrong"?
The Arabs? The Turks? The Chinese? The Japanese? The Sub-Saharan Africans?
Whose moral standards say that conquest and subjugation is wrong? Who came up with them?
>worse than the ottomansYou have no fucking idea what you're talking about. The Ottomans committed three separate genocides, willfully, in a space of about 50 years. The worst that you can say about the British is that they "allowed a famine to happen in India", when famines in India had been happening intermittently for thousands of years and the princely kingdoms of the subcontinent used them as a weapon of war for centuries before the first Europeans ever arrived there.
>>105209>How so?"Northern Europe and the Sahara both have the same climate because they both experience rainfall".
Can you point out what is wrong with this false equivalence, leftard?
>>105212>islamophobeDon't even dignify bullshit newspeak words like that with a response. It's just like terms such as "tolerance" and "diversity". It either means nothing or something completely different to what they imply, i.e. "diversity" in lefty terms basically means "less white people".
No. 105228
>>105207>Arabs are not a single nationAre you unfamiliar with the Ummayads and Abbasids? There was a time the Arabs were united under a single polity.
Why are leftists who seek to "educate you" on history so fucking stupid and without even the most basic morsels of historical knowledge?
No. 105231
>>105226>You could narrow it down to say, wars of aggression waged by the Ummayad Caliphate and it would still dwarf the number of crusader battles.That chart first off ignores many of the battles involved in the crusades, but once again, it's an unnecessary restriction of the battles. You need to compare the sheer amount of wars of conquest of Christian and Islamic nations over a long enough period to count for a few different cultures to have passed for you to be able to create a fair comparison.
Unless you want to pretend that Europe is some completely faultless peaceful region, which is flat out ridiculous.
And once again, context for your quotes.
No matter how much you call me Fatima (I'm roman Catholic by the way), you're not going to prove anything unless you can demonstrate the overall Islam does demand you to kill unbelievers.
>>105228Because the arabs are an ethnic group, not a political one. It's like comparing all conquests of europe overall to ones purely off a single campaign.
Also, as to the Umayyad's, I'm talking over the longer period, not one or two single times. But under them, christians and jews were highly autonomous, they were dealt with by their own communities, not muslim ones.
>>105229>Which ones were raids and which ones were battles?You want me to point out every single dot? Provide a source the lists what those battles even are first. Anyone can just chuck dots on a map.
I don't really see the point of arguing with someone who's going to claim that the British empire dindu nuffin though. It's ironic you accuse others of not knowing anything about history while coming at it with such a highly revisionist attitude.
No. 105297
>>105231> But under them, christians and jews were highly autonomous, they were dealt with by their own communities, not muslim ones.Thanks Wikipedia. But this isn't anything new. Nor was it done out of any enlightened sense of justice. The Romans gave the poleis authority over everything but foreign policy in the Greek East for a simple reason: it makes governance easier. Likewise with the British allowing various Indian Princes to rule their own principalities under the titular authority of the raj. Note the Arab and Ottoman Millet systems were vastly more restrictive and humiliating than either of these. Proscribing activities like reconstruction of Christian churches when they fell into disrepair as per the shariah. It's also notable that one of the reasons for the Arab revolt against the Turks was a feeling that the Turks weren't real Muslims anymore precisely because they DID try to give their Christian subjects more freedom under the tanzimat reforms. Empires capable of actually centrally micro managing communities with giant bureaucracies are a modern thing. Outside of China anyway.
Basically you understand nothing about history and your replies reek of someone furiously googling the topics raised in order to find cheap ammunition to fire.
Now. Regarding the crusades. It is impossible to understand the crusades unless you understand the previous 4-5 centuries of Muslim aggression against the Greeks, since it was at the request of the eastern emperor that Pope urban raised a pan European army in the first place. Go read up on how Islam consolidated control of the Arabian peninsula and expanded outside of it, since you're a typical libtard at this stage who has barely any understanding of macrohistory.
>>105295Name a single female Muslim head of state contemporaneous to Elizabeth or Catherine the Great. If you don't think heads of state indicate much, name a single Muslim noblewoman with the authority of say, the Duchess of Hannover or the various Imperial Electors in the HRE. I have already demonstrated ITT that wife beating is encouraged by Islam whereas it was considered immoral by classical Romans and new England pilgrims. Sources you chose to ignore for obvious reasons.
>Provide a source the lists what those battles even are first. Anyone can just chuck dots on a map.So you think the Near East and North Africa just became majority Muslim Arab speaking regions by some process of peaceful cultural osmosis? You think they came into possession of lands that had been Greco Roman for over a thousand years peacefully?
>context for your quotesWhich particular sura would you like context for? Unlike you I'm actually familiar with the hadith tradition in sunni Islam and my knowledge of the religion isn't limited to what salon, huffpo, slate and other islamophile publications write.
And interestingly I don't see islamophiles clamoring for context when it comes to the oft misquoted "kills the entire community" verse that is supposed to show how peaceful Islam is. Even though it's made abundantly clear that this verse is only applicable to the Ummah and prescribes death for anyone fitna'ing around (I.e. Believing in anything other than Islam).
No. 105336
>>105302>the world isn't as simple as "Good guys" and "Bad guys"Says the person pushing the narrative of European behavior being morally sui generis in how "Bad" it was when in reality its the opposite.
Your side has lost. You've been using our countries as a dumping ground for the very worst of the third world. And we're tired of it. The left is finished in Europe.
No. 105380
>>105336No one has pusged European elitism though. That poster who gave the lengthy reply about how all only Islam is evil is just ignorant and extremely biased. It isn't a conspiracy that women under Hinduism and Buddhism have faced abuse, slavery and in general are not respected. Sorry if your education sytem did not provide you the means to research and teach you other narratives other than "Christianity good/Islam bad". Look at Christianity in Ireland and Britain, women legally became their husbands posession and lost all rights to their previous assets, children, home etc they were also heavilu morally policed to the extent of being locked away in homes for women or psychiatric hospitals for the crimes of being caught with STI's, having children as a result if rape, or simply behaving in a manner that their parents or care home did not approve of.
None of this is speculation, maybe you should try to research before coming out with lengthy bullshit posts.
No. 105384
>>105380People always bring up "well what about IRELAND, HMM??". Women from Ireland travel to the UK to get an abortion and birth control is allowed in the country, they don't get killed for being raped, fathers don't kill their daughters for the family's honor, women are allowed to drive cars etc. Yes, they're shit for having such strict abortion laws but it's still not even near the barbaric levels of an average Muslim country.
Also despite Christians being assholes to homosexuals, there's no Christian country in the world that hands out death sentences for homosexuality.
No. 105389
>>105381I am a European you hopeless dolt. And its not like you think the word or identity means anything given that you believe those maghrebis running over little babies are just as European as charlemagne anyway.
>>105380I didn't once call Islam "evil". I said women in western societies have always enjoyed comparatively more liberality than those in asiatic and middle eastern ones. I also stated that Islam spread through aggressive war, conquest and subjugation. Which it did.
I'm also not a Christian. Nor do I think Christianity has been positive for Europe. The pathological altruism that Europeans have comes from Christianity unfortunately.
Can you do anything right? You've made something like 6 or 7 outright lies and specious unfounded assumptions in the space of a few hundred words. You really are a hopeless shitposter.
No. 105393
>>105384It's honestly pretty offensive that anyone would even compare Ireland to countries like Indonesia and Saudi Arabia.
We don't lop off our women's genitals so they stay pure, tyvm. And we don't impose clothing restrictions either (though god knows we should judging by all the atrocities women here wear on the daily)
No. 105395
>>105384>there's no Christian country in the world that hands out death sentences for homosexuality.Even in African regions? They're pretty heavily Christian regions, and people definitely get brutally executed for all sorts of stupid stuff.
>>105389Can you go one post without insulting other posters, using highly emotional language and just generally not contributing much? You're the only person here who's shitposting.
No. 105402
>>105395>Even in African regions?Why do you purposefully ignore posts that contradict your inanity?
Even African animists take a strong line against homosexuals. African "Christianity" is often just a veneer for the true religion of the people anyway. E.g. Haitian voodoo having Catholic symbols placed alongside it.
>Can you go one post without insulting other postersCan you actually respond to the points asserted against your position or are you just going to stick your fingers in your ear and get progressively more butthurt?
>not contributing muchThat's funny. I'm the only person who has actually provided primary source evidence to support my case in the entire thread.
>>105393You have to jump through all sorts of mental hoops, and create flat out lies to maintain the axiom that all races are equal. That's why they create these false equivalences, like Medieval European women having just as little freedom as MENA women, despite voluminous evidence to the contrary (women forming their own guilds, being artisans and artists in their own right, being heads of state, holding noble titles in their own right etc.) The "Ireland = Islamic State" equivalence is so blatantly dishonest I don't think it should even be paid any attention. It's a flat out lie and even the most stupid person would know that.
No. 105404
>>105402>Why do you purposefully ignore posts that contradict your inanity?Because they weren't replying to me? You seem convinced you're just talking to one person here, but you're not.
>That's funny. I'm the only person who has actually provided primary source evidence to support my case in the entire thread. Wow is that map actually a digital image from 13th century Europe? That's pretty impressive, where'd you find it?
No. 105408
>>105404>Because they weren't replying to me?I replied to you indirectly here:
>>105169African animists also treat homosexuals harshly. African people in general are pretty fucking primitive, believe it or not.
>>105404>Wow is that map actually a digital image from 13th century Europe?Nice shitposting, but no. See:
>Muslim traveler, who didn't like Christians anyway, claiming the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem treated its Muslim subjects more fairly than neighboring Muslim states.>>104960>Wife-beating frowned upon and even punished by vigilante violence in Puritan New England (as opposed to it being sanctioned and supported in Islam.>>104961 No. 105411
>>105408>I replied to you indirectly here:I wasn't talking about Jamaica. Though it's pretty impressive you've ignored that the common link in these behaviours seems to be the development of their country, not their religion.
And I honestly don't see how either of those sources is relevant, it's just tying a bunch of different stuff together that kind of vaguely links (Extremist group existed at one point and does now). And the crusader states weren't outright violent, but did their best to push out muslims originally.
You see, this is much better. Try to keep it so your posts are calm and don't just explode in baseless accusations and insults, instead calmly discuss the topic with whoever you're talking to.
No. 105418
>>105402People honest to god bring up shit Christians did during the 16th century or so to justify the barbaric practices of Islamic countries. That was the fucking middle ages and people thought sun revolved around the earth and shit. And constantly bring up Ireland and its abortion laws and the IRA conflict despite the country being at peace for decades now. And ONE fucking western country being at that state doesn't in any way balance out the fact that most Islamic countries are still hunted by the Human Rights watchmen.
>All Muslim countries have a human rights rating less than 53%, with the notable exception of United Arab Emirates, whose rating (61.49%) is similar to many Western democracies; for comparison, Sweden is the highest-rated country worldwide with 89.13%, and the US is rated 69.23%.but fuck that Ireland and its abortion laws right?!!!
No. 105423
>>105418Don't buy into the whole "Europeans were just as bad" mantra.
Europeans have always treated women better than Asiatic societies. Always. That's a fact I'm happy to substantiate with evidence.
>>105411>ignored the common link in these behavioursI agree that Africans are just uniformly pretty primitive across the board, regardless of religion.
>development of their countryExcept there's no correlation at all. Many Gulf States are wealthy and developed.
>And the crusader states weren't outright violent, but did their best to push out muslims originally. What? Did you even read the source? Muslim farmers were settling within the boundaries of the Kingdom of Jerusalem because Franks (i.e. Europeans) would dispense justice more fairly than neighboring Emirs and common law (a European system) was more dependable than the shitshow that was Shariah.
>Extremist group existed at one point and does nowRead the source again
>"that several Persons in that Borough, (and tis said some very deservedly) have undergone the Discipline, to the no small Terror of others, who are any Way conscious of deserving the same."The fact a major publication of the time called such punishment "deserving" is what's pertinent here.
Do you understand why I get frustrated with slow people such as yourself now?
No. 105427
>>105423>I agree that Africans are just uniformly pretty primitive across the board, regardless of religion. So lets look at this. We now have Africans and Middle Easterners, both of which are very under developed regions overall, that have very different religions and social beliefs, yet tend to have the same problems overall. You also saw these problems in Europe before it was well developed, though it was nearly entirely Christian. Now, what seems like the commonality that runs through all of these examples?
>What? Did you even read the sourceDid you read what I said?
>Read the source againNo :^)
No. 105430
>>105427You probably don't realize it, but what you're describing is called historical materialism and is the idea of history as a linear story of progress as a result of improvements in material conditions.
The problem with this, as I already stated, is that it doesn't tally with the facts on the ground. Many gulf states are well developed. The people enjoy a fairly high standard of living, particularly the UAE. Their laws are still significantly more draconian on homosexuality than states less developed than they are.
>Did you read what I said?You suggested that was an extreme belief, when a mainstream publication insinuates it was a widely held sympathy.
No. 105432
>>105430You didn't answer my question anon. What is the common factor there?
>You suggested that was an extreme belief, when a mainstream publication insinuates it was a widely held sympathy.You should work on your reading comprehension, that's not even the right point.
No. 105434
>>105432>What is the common factor there? There is none.
You seem to be under the impression the Gulf is some sort of third world zone. Try visiting some time.
No. 105437
>>105434>There is none. Okay, cool anon. We can talk again once you pass the 4th grade.
Pro-tip: The square shaped box goes in the square shaped hole.
>>105436How is that on topic at all?
No. 105444
>>105437>Okay, cool anon. We can talk again once you pass the 4th grade.Are you suggesting that the UAE/Saudi/et al and Sub-Saharan Africa are on the same level of economic development?
This is why you don't have a real job.
>>105437>How is that on topic at all?You claimed western/"christian" societies treated women "just as badly" as muslim ones did. This is a lie of false equivalence.
No. 105451
>>105444>Are you suggesting that the UAE/Saudi/et al and Sub-Saharan Africa are on the same level of economic development?I'm suggesting that overall, the middle easy is under developed, as is Africa. You're comparing the wealthiest areas from those regions as if they represent the majority. Fucking Dubai isn't representative of the middle east.
>This is why you don't have a real job. I'm a law student actually, but believe what you want. I'm sure to you I'm an internet blogger professional victim.
>You claimed western/"christian" societies treated women "just as badly" as muslim ones did. Where?
No. 105476
>>105451>under developed By comparison to?
>Middle East I'm talking about the gulf. A distinct region.
>law studentAh. So a parasite profession built on continuously expanding the remit of litigation, e.g. human rights, in order to keep as many lawyers employed as possible.
No. 105480
>>105476>By comparison to?The first world. So america, Europe, Australia.
>I'm talking about the gulf. A distinct region. Why are you arbitrarily restricting it to the most wealthy region in the middle east though? I don't think any of the billionaire oil sheikhs from Dubai are hopping the border into Germany.
>Ah. So a parasite profession built on continuously expanding the remit of litigation, e.g. human rights, in order to keep as many lawyers employed as possible.Care to reword that sentence with less buzzwords? No shit every field is interested in keeping people employed in it though, why would people work towards losing their job?
No. 105531
>>105480>The first world. So america, Europe, Australia.The Gulf has a higher per capita income than many of these states.
>Why are you arbitrarily restricting it to the most wealthy region in the middle east though?But it's not arbitrary. The Gulf is a distinct region with its own distinct practices, language and culture. North Africans and Near Easterners are not, strictly speaking "Arabs" in the same way the Gulf Arabs are. They're Berbers and other native groups who interbred with and speak Arabic as a result of Arab imperialism.
Why are you even complaining in the first place? If everything in the world is down to economic determinism and every people and state is on their way to LGBT normalization, then the Gulf should, by these standards, be more tolerant of homosexuals then, at the very least, places like Eastern and Southeastern Europe. But it isn't. Far from it in fact.
>>105530>that's unacceptablePoint out where anyone said this.
The point isn't that what Muslims did was "wrong" or "evil". It's that Muslims posturing as victims of conquering Europeans is ahistorical bullshit. In fact all selective outrage is bullshit.
>Care to reword that sentence with less buzzwords?It's pretty straightforward. Lawyers are interested in the expansion of human rights legislation because it means more work and more money for them, yet they cast themselves as the defenders of civilization itself.
>No shit every field is interested in keeping people employed in it though, why would people work towards losing their job?It's rare that the people in other fields have a direct handle over the creation of legislation though - Most western leaders over the past century are lawyers or former lawyers.
Western common law countries in particular have obscene amounts of lawyers (America has in per capita terms 100 times the number of lawyers that Japan does for example). It's a huge misallocation of labor away from actual productive professions like engineering, science, even people like technicians are more respectable than the average lawyer in terms of the value to society they create.
No. 105572
>>105531>Lawyers are interested in the expansion of human rights legislation because it means more work and more money for them, yet they cast themselves as the defenders of civilization itself. You know it's both right? Of course I want a job, but I legitimately care about maintaining the law, because it is what holds society together.
>It's rare that the people in other fields have a direct handle over the creation of legislation thoughLawyers have no power over legislation either, that's high level judges and politicians.
What does an average engineer contribute to society though? They build shit that's never going to impact pretty much any of us. All jobs have their place, don't be a retard and go "Only muh STEM is worthwhile", this isn't /sci/ or whatever shit board you came from.
No. 105665
>>105595There isn't a completely open immigration policy which is why people try to illegaly enter Britain and many fail their asylum applications and get deported. However some people fail to realise what a huge and positive part immigration has made on Britain over the centuries, but then again maybe they too would have whinged about the Hugenots, the Irish, the German, the Italian, the Somalian, the Polish or the Norse "attacking their living space".
OP is acting as though they are living under occupation, please. Compare your life to someone living in Palestine
No. 105717
>>105595"Sweden now has the second highest number of rapes in the world, after South Africa, which at 53.2 per 100,000 is six times higher than the United States. Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped.
In 2003, Sweden's rape statistics were higher than average at 9.24, but in 2005 they shot up to 36.8 and by 2008 were up to 53.2. Now they are almost certainly even higher as Muslim immigrants continue forming a larger percentage of the population.
With Muslims represented in as many as 77 percent of the rape cases and a major increase in rape cases paralleling a major increase in Muslim immigration, the wages of Muslim immigration are proving to be a sexual assault epidemic by a misogynistic ideology.
The statistics are skewed by urban centers where the Islamic colonists cluster. In Stockholm this summer there was an average of 5 rapes a day. Stockholm has gone from a Swedish city to a city that is one-third immigrant and is between a fifth and a quarter Muslim."
https://web.archive.org/web/20140416161350/http://www.friatider.se/chocksiffror-mer-an-var-tredje-svenska-kommer-att-valdtashttps://web.archive.org/web/20100815092540/http://www.friatider.se/sverige-toppar-internationell-valdtaktsstatistik No. 105793
>>105665Palestinians and Jews deserve each other.
Anyway. The UK accepts around 40 percent of asylum applications. And many of those remainder are either accepted on appeal or receive temporary leave to stay on human rights grounds. Compare this to Japan or South Koreas acceptance rates of 0.01 percent and it is a comparatively open system.
I also don't think you realize how hard it is to deport someone under existing English law.
No. 105795
>>105717Stockholm also has a huge problem with having enough apartments for everyone and nobody can afford to live there anymore, but still they're making sure all the refugees there will have a comfy apartment despite being unemployed and having a huge family.
Sweden is nearing a 3rd world country status in other ways too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Sweden_riots_and_unrest No. 105797
>>105791Pointing out an exception to the rule doesn't prove a rule long. The trend is still very much present.
>>105792Why do you hate lawyers so much anon? Did the mean lawyer put your dad behind bars?
What do you do that's somehow more useful than people who aim to maintain the rule of law anyway?
No. 105798
>>105797If it was one small statelet then fine. But the gulf is an entire region unto itself. You would expect this rule to apply universally, and if it doesn't apply universally then why not? It was you who suggested the sole factor behind homosexual rights was economic development if you'll recall your earlier post, not me.
>who aim to maintain the rule of law anyway?Except you don't. The judiciary in the US have been key figures in making sure federal immigration laws are hardly ever enforced and the idea of "sanctuary cities" can exist in the first place.
What you really mean is you like the idea of enforcing the sorts of laws you like, e.g. refugees rights under the ECHR and so on.
No. 106424
>>106423And yet all of this has still happened
>>105717>>105795>>105796Not to mention all the child rape, regular rape, the truck attack, the guy hacking up that pregnant woman, colonge, and etc. Germany and France are already taking in billions how much more do they need to take in? Until they're 99% muslim and full of "refugees" that have never even seen Syria?
No. 328905
European countries have barely anything in common with eachother, contrary to what the americans might believe, so immigration is felt differently. For comparison:
Sweden never had much issues or immigration in its modern history. No regimes, no major wars, only one big famine problem they recovered from long time ago. To say it bluntly, it's a spoiled country, and was not prepared for anything, and welcomed immigration with no standards and no rules and no hate, and like it Finland and other north countries.
Italy, however, is completely different. It's constantly been invaded, had terrorist attacks, mass immigration, religious ruling, wars, famines and the purest form of Fascism. You never heard of a big terrorist attack in Italy happening because its secret services are prepared. Beating immigrants publicly is a daily story. Reducing them to camp slaves by mafia is common and out in the open. They are often kicked and banned in restaurants or gyms.
There are some positive realities; if the immigrants are given to integration associations they do very well. They're taught the language, the culture, the laws and if they did good enough they get a form of 'degree' and help getting hired in jobs italians won't do. I live near one and volunteered for it.
Romanis are objectively bad, though. Their culture is all about refusing to live in houses just not to pay taxes, don't expect them to stay by any rule. They steal, they scam, they sell their kids to pedos etc.
No. 328906
>>328905Americans are always going on about how Europeans are mean to Romani but I don't think they really understand. It's not that Romani people are inherently evil or anything. I know some Romani people who have settle down in my town and are very nice.
But Romani culture has a lot of problems, not least that they don't send their girls to school and marry them off when they're 16, then expect them to be pregnant by 17. I think Americans never really meet any Romani people, so they have this idealized view that isn't reality.
No. 328955
>>328906This 100%
Americans just see evil wypipo being mean to brown people and assume it's just like someone being racist in their country
No. 328958
>>328944One of my former classmates was Romani: she had to repeat class twice in primary school already and was forced to always wear a longish skirt starting from when she turned 15.
By the time I was 18 (no idea about her exact age) she already had 2 children. I'm 23 now, she's got a third kid and the two older ones probably start school soon.
That whole thing, their mentality, etc just sounds way too similar to muslims - and that way of living simply clashes with the christian and democratic ideals most european countries are based on.
In their defense though, my neighbour is romani too, but lives like everybody else, so there are normal ones as well.
No. 328961
>>328958There is a romani minority in my country too. Some in bigger cities have started to integrate but in rural areas not so much. I remember when I was little about how they used to send their kids to beg in the streets. And young mothers would go house to house begging for food, money or something for the baby.
At least in our capital they started to send their children to school.
No. 328964
>>328958many people face pressure from their families, so its really hard for them to leave the culture. especially for younger people who have spent their whole lives knowing nothing else. if someone does manage to leave that environment then they will be normal. ive met a lot of normal romani people, but then again i do live in an urban area.
also, americans need to stfu and stop injecting their racial politics into things they dont understand.
No. 328969
Italy anon here:
Immigration is ruining our city. Not talking about skin color or race here, we have both problems from african people and east europe as well (mostly Romania and Albany).
I'm kinda happy that our government right now is more righty oriented (aside the shit they do for women and gay people, for example a city outlawed abortion where here it's legal since the 70s).
A bit of a list illegal immigrants do:
-Wander in the streets, pissing and shitting on the floor
-Stealing and raping even older women (talking about 80 years old), just to get maybe their rings or whatever.
-Molest girls and couples (I can't get out in my city alone, not even with my boyfriend, me and my friends always get out in groups), they play beggars and get angry if you don't give them spare change, to the point of following you around.
Plus they even stay at ticket machines on subways/trains. I can't get a ticket train without the fear of getting my change stolen by an immigrant.
-Since they ask for refugee status, they get free commodities (and we have to pay for it, uh).
I've been born here, I'm living here, I'm studying and working and cant move with my boyfriend because I don't have enough money, meanwhile immigrants get FREE HOUSES in the city, next to the people who support them, while they're still on the boat arriving from africa/on the truck arriving from the east.
- Escape from "hell", then make "hell" here.
- Muslims are a problem. Everything in our stores has to be "halal certified". Italy has one of the better cuisines in the world. Imagine accomodating your cuisine to people who are fleeting from war waah ;_;
(Try to change a dish from their cuisine or finding a church in saudi arabia, try to get out with your hair out in those coutnries).
- They leech out for baby bonus by making a shitload of babies.
There's a law here that gives around 1000 euros (more or less) to newly-became mothers. Obviously, muslim women leech out for that, try to find a veiled woman with only one child, they have around 4-5 with a year difference.
- Easterns are like fleas. They get here, build irregular houses, steal and when the police comes to check out their property they just go "Waaaaa ;_; We are poor!! We don't work!!!" and kick them out because they are protected by "private property"
They have these big ass houses with gold statues (not kidding) and Patterned ceilings but when the law comes, they screech "I HAVE TWO SONS!! YOU CANT KICK ME OUT!!"
Which is true, unfortunately, since here by law a minor has to live in a house with a relative and they can't kick out a family with a minor.
Sigh, I just hope our minister kicks out all irregulars, other than that he can die for me but since our problems irght now are mainly for immigrations, that would be a breath of fresh air.
No. 328972
>>328969another anon from italy here
I hope we get rid of all of the immigrants soon, I want to be able to go around town alone not worrying about these fuckers that are ALWAYS going around in groups of 5.
No. 328973
>>328972Mi dispiace amica, e mi dispiace vivere in un paese, dove se dici che ti senti in pericolo a girare per strada a causa di gente che fa della strada la propria casa, ti dà della razzista.
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Just a solidarity reply.
No. 328974
>>328969It piss me off too.
And if you ask them stuff like "But then why arent we making a fuss about THEM not letting us wear our hair down, or having to respect their restrictive culture when we visit their countries ?" it seems that the answer is "We have to be respectful. It's not their fault if they don't know better"
So basically we have such a superiority complex that we treat other countries like retards who aren't just quite there yet, and that we should be nice and let them get there on their own.
Except that by doing so, we just let them walk all over us instead of just telling them they have a brain like everyone else and can adapt or fuck off. We shouldn't be teaching 40yo that raping 12 years old is not acceptable. We like to pretend they don't know any better but they do, they just don't care.
No. 329042
>>328972>these fuckers that are ALWAYS going around in groups of 5.This is what bothers me the most, too.
I'm tall, I did Karate for years, was never scared, I always walked around alone at night without even having second thoughts. If a local man attacked me, at least it would be 1 against 1. But refugees are never alone, it's always giant ass groups. So no matter how short and weak they are, you wouldn't stand a chance because they're so many.
I live in Germany, near the Austrian border. During the height of the crisis in 2015, 5000, sometimes up to 8000 immigrants entered Germany every single day. The trains were packed with them. The train was littered with clothes and bags of food they got, but simply abandonded, because "Not good enough". Some older people here on the countryside have never even traveled, it was the first time they even saw (non-white) foreigners. But of course the politicians sitting safely and comfy in Berlin don't even bother comimg down here and seeing for themselves. Even now, 3 years later, they hang around the trainstation, McDonalds and in shopping centres all day long, because they don't need to work. When I'm stressed this makes me angry, I'd also like to just laze around sometimes. It also angers me how blatantly they lie about their ages. I'm 23, yet the majority of those 17 year olds look clearly older than me.
A friend who works at a clothing store told me that they don't need to pay, the town just pays for everything they bought later on. One picked a leather jacket for 200€. That's not necessary, you don't need that to survive. My friend said even though she works there, that's something she could never afford. Yet they get it for free. That's justnot fair.
So, America freaking about a couple thousand hondurians in total is kinda laughable to me.
No. 329080
>>328969>>329042Thankfully, my country doesn't have as many refugees as Italy or Germany, but I use to work closely to where they were housed. And sometimes they would come into the store. They use to steal like crazy. Always had to keep a watchful eye on them. And always beer or some kind of alcohol. I thought they weren't allowed to drink alcohol.
And they are always going in groups. One time when I was going to work and waiting for the bus, there was a group of them and they started to come at me with rapid Arabic. Shit, I was never so scared in my life, thank god there were other people there. Still had to get on the same bus as them and would have to get out pretty much at the same bus stop but got out three bus stops early just in case.
Also on the same bus, but during the day one of them legit stared at a girl in shorts that couldn't be more than 13, 14. Wish we could just kick them out.
No. 329098
I don't mind immigrants who are willing to integrate and want to get along with the locals, or refugees who actually need help, but for a long time most of the people that have been coming in are neither. They're all Middle Eastern/African men clearly in their mid-late twenties, with no intentions of respecting the local people or laws. It's so blatant too, they don't even have to try to hide it, they all tell the same story about being just a poor little 17-year-old boy escaping a war, and all the people who have been blinded by their naivety eat it all up while crying "oh poor babies, we have to help them, look I'm being a GOOD PERSON, think of the WOMEN AND CHILDREN".
Speaking of women and children, where are they? Every time there's anything about refugees in the media, you rarely see them. Every photo or video taken from interviews, refugee centers, camps, you see nothing but adult men. I remember seeing this one video clip where a local politician was telling about a camp that had been set up in the middle of the city as a protest, and she said "there are women and children here", yet you could only see men in the background.
No. 329559
>>329512The thing is, you rarely ever see those women outside. It's always just men.
I work at a grocery store and noticed that they don't even take their female children with them when they go shopping, it's always just them and their sons.
No. 329817
>>329512I'm the Italy anon from the long post above and when I see a veiled woman I just want to fucking rip his scarf.
Aside from looking ugly as hell, since some women have a moonface and they enhance it by covering anything but it, they even look down on you.
Some days ago, I had to take the subway in:
Long jeans, long sweater (almost to my knees), scarf around my neck and gloves (comfy clothes, was cold) and a Property (I talk to them like this, since they want it to be owned by their stupid beliefs and husbands in a FREE COUNTRY) was sitting staring at me and in particular, at my legs.
Sorry that I don't have a husband that beats me at home if I choose my own comfort.
No. 330085
>>329817lmao similar experience here.
A friend of mine I go out with is very pretty and likes to dress provocative. one afternoon this scarf chick passing by blatantly stared at her breasts, friend calls her out for being creepy, and she gets nervous and walks away faster. The gal is probably in the closet
No. 330141
>>329512Agreed. I'm an ex-Muslim from a Muslim majority country, a lot of women do wear hijab but burqa and niqab isn't common here. Most of the reactions I've heard about burqa and niqab were like "there could be anyone under that burqa", "this is way too far", "this shouldn't be a practice in Islam". Even Muslims (some of them, at least) aren't okay with it. As much as people try to sugarcoat it, Islam tells women to cover up to be "a chaste woman who distances herself from men", that's the whole purpose of it. Men only have to cover up the area between their knees and bellies, while women have to cover up everywhere else other than their faces and hands. If a woman doesn't do that and a man lusts over her, people blame her. Most of the hijabi women I know started to wear hijab because of family pressure. Europeans not being okay with it is totally understandable, criticizing Islam's fucked up, misogynistic practices doesn't make people anti-Muslim or close-minded.
Sorry for the sperg
No. 330146
>>329512I honestly don't believe any women who say it's their choice to wear a veil, because there's almost always some sort of pressure or brain washing behind it. I was reading about this one woman who said the same thing, "it's my choice and I'm not being forced to cover my head", yet surprise, the real reason she did it was because "my mom would be disappointed if I didn't".
Just because you're not being FORCED doesn't mean that you're not being pressured. If you're covering yourself because your family or friends would be disappointed or wouldn't approve, then sorry but it ain't your own choice boo.
No. 330163
I actually can't stand how Muslim immigrants won't make an effort to integrate.
Walking down the main streets in my country, the place is full of hijabs and burquas and people speaking Arabic. I remember in school, Muslim girls sat out of religion class (which taught all religions, btw), P.E. and any school trips/retreats/field work. They still practice archaic things like arranged marriages, domestic violence, polygamy and FGM even while living in countries where they're illegal. They stick to their own community by having their own banks, halal supermarkets, halal restaurants, clothing shops, tea houses, TV channels, schools, doctors, lawyers and counselors. Kids are not allowed to socialise with non-Muslims and any I invited to parties as a kid would make some lame excuse for not going like that there might be alcohol or boys there. They're always out campaigning for Palestine or some atrocities in the Middle East but when a terror attack happens here, they go dead silent (I don't think they realise that saying "Wow, that's horrible. Terrorism is bad." is way less suspicious than staying silent which looks a lot like support). People who I thought were mild or modern ended up hijab-ing up, got arranged marriages and are now super religious, won't attend anything unless it's organised by the local mosque and every post online is now "Mashallah" this and "Inshallah" that. Everything has to cater to them and now half the things in our supermarkets which they don't even use are labeled "halal". It's so strange to see meat that was slaughtered here but has earned a halal label. Most of them came from developing countries and instead of appreciating being in a developed one, they want to change every aspect about it. They vote to keep archaic laws that the majority of people living in modern society are embarrassed about and are eager to get rid of. They're desperate to erect mosques and schools which are funded by rich Saudis who want to spread Islam worldwide. They're bleeding the welfare system dry and I've heard of countless scams that they're involved in to get even more from it than they're even entitled to. They genuinely look down on us and think we're degenerates but never reflect on their own behaviour or culture.
I think Romani people are pretty similar (dress like shit, won't speak English, are involved in every scam going, have a real us vs. them mentality, are living in a different century, don't contribute to society) but they're just not in the same numbers so you could go about your day here and not meet one, can't say the same for Muslims. All that said though, I think our problems are pretty minimal compared to the other European countries where rape and other criminal activities are common. I don't know how we escaped that, I guess it might have something to do with the fact that people here have always been very opposed to immigration here. I think everyone holds some views that might be considered racist/xenophobic but don't speak about it, I think they're afraid of looking like the old drunk at the pub who rants and makes a fool of himself. I just hope people to continue to be critical, even if it is only silently because I don't want the situation to get worse.
No. 330592
>>330553Yeah me too. I sometimes watch videos about child brides etc and whenever it's about Europe, Romanians are spamming the comments with "They're not us!!! We're not like this, only gypsies do that!“
But I can understand how annoying it must be for them.
No. 330718
>>330163>Muslim girls sat out of religion class (which taught all religions, btw)I had the same when I was a kid and it only recently dawned on me how terrible it is. I can understand not wanting your kid to join in church services during assembly etc, but this is just intentionally withholding knowledge and understanding of other cultures from your children so that they grow up to feel 'other' from people of a different faith, and stops them from being able to view their own faith critically.
Of course the teachers must have felt this too, but to stand up against those parents would mean being fired.
I say this as a sjw libtard that honestly would flood this country with asylum seekers if given the opportunity, I would, but just because we have realized that the 're-education camps' of the past were unethical doesn't mean that it's ok to let abusive practices go on in our country because we're scared of being seen as racist. There needs to be a stronger point on integration, it's a small price to pay for a free home.
No. 330757
>>330163>>330600I'm actually reading a book where this is discussed. In areas of high immigration, communities along racial lines form for obvious reasons - if you're leaving your country for a new one, it'd be much easier to get settled amongst people with whom you share a language and culture. Unfortunately that enables one to get stuck in their bubble, and with already a high level of distrust between the native/migrant populations, communities get increasingly insular (which worsens the larger the diaspora). It noted specifially how in England, Muslim women are electing to wear the hijab and other head coverings at a far higher rate in which these are worn in their home countries. It's a grab to something they can identify with, in a land where they feel like the "other". Self perpetuated or not.
If you're interested, the book is Exodus: How Migration Is Changing Our World by Paul Collier.
No. 330953
>>330651>the entirety of Europe hates gypsies.ftfy
Saged for rant:
One of the things that annoy me so much about refugees is how much free time they have. Yesterday I nearly missed my train, because they were constantly blocking my way.
Until late afternoon everbody (besides mothers and very old people) is busy and usually in a hurry. Yet these young to middle aged men can afford to stand and stroll around all day long. And because they're always in such large group they constantly block entire pathways. I always have to hop down on the street and pass them like this because they simply don't make way! That's so frustrating.
No. 330993
>>330163I always had this feeling that muslim and their kids (even born in my country) have a very "my people - everyone else" view.
Aka they preach and preach about how haram this and that is, and how they can't do that or eat during ramadan (which has been proven to lower productivity for people working while fasting) but give no fuck when it affects other non muslim people.
They usually won't give two fucks if they can fuck you over because often in their eyes, you're a non muslim and deemed different and in the wrong, so honestly who cares.
All the muslims fuckbois I knew where ultra protective of their "sisters" but wouldn't mind fucking and dumping non muslimas. Wouldn't touch pork with a 2m stick but wouln't mind taking MDMA or getting tattoos.
It's annoying to be in a very liberal country because even saying publicly that most religions, but especially islam, are rooted in sexism causes controversy and people to gasp, when it's nothing but plain truth. I guess in the victimhood olympics racism ranks higher so it's alright to look to other way when their holy prophet was legit diddling a little girl.
No. 331019
>>330651The entirety of Europe.
The only people who whine about racism against the poor gypsies haven't ever had any contact with them. Often Americans who don't understand Romani bullshit and write gypsy like g*psy because iT's a sLuR. Live next to some for a month and talk to me later. I hate it when this gets compared to racism against black people in the US. There are all kinds of black people, you can't say that about gypsies. A normal gypsy is almost a fairytale. A fucking needle in a haystack. The countries they're in give them so much and spare them from so much responsibility. They respond with violence, child marriages, abuse of women, refusing to let their kids go to school even when programs are in place that bend over backwards to adjust to them, can't read or write, refuse to work, deal with stolen goods instead, lack hygiene and trash everything around them,don't get me started on severe animal abuse that is normal to them(I will never forget the rescue of a starving saint Bernard tied to a car living in trash and mud that I had to witness…and that's normal everyday shit to them) That's absolutely most of them. It's not fucking SOME. These people are not a fucking exception. Idiots need to get it through their thick skulls
No. 331135
>>331029I had a similar experience. A man came into my place of work begging for money because "My wife is sick and we haven't eaten in four days." I said I couldn't give him money but I was happy to give him the address to the local soup kitchen, and that I would call ahead to tell them he was coming.
Not good enough. Suddenly his wife was unable to walk for reasons he refused to explain, so he had to take food to her. I said I was sure if he explained and I vouched for him then the soup kitchen would give him a food package that he could take back to his wife so she didn't need to travel.
Still not good enough. He started getting angry and finally said "Fine, WHATEVER. Can you tell me where the local churches are?"
I asked why, and said they would just tell him what I'd told him. He rolled his eyes at me, and said "Just give me the address. Just give it to me."
So I gave him the address to the nearest church. Called them to warn them he'd probably show up. They called me back an hour later to tell me that sure enough, he'd shown up, given them a totally different sob story about having a sick kid who needed medicine, and screamed at them when they refused to give him cash.
No. 331378
>>331146I think you're in the wrong thread. Everybody could name one crime commited by one ethnic group with the victim being from another, so? Doesn't change the grand picture.
Last christmas in Germany a group of young traumatized refugees lit a homeless man on fire. Did they deserve to get beaten and their lifes ruined as well? Seems like no, since they only got 8 months on probation. Are people saying things like "Germans are no subhumans, you can't do whatever you want with them!" as a reaction to that? No. One crime doesn't represent or mean anything.
No. 331423
>>331152>i don't know what the romani ppl are getting out of being in nordic countries during the winter. it's extremely cold during and no one is giving them money (i don't think most people even carry cash)They must get enough cash anyway because damn, my city is filled with them. I wish they would fuck off. Everyone is too nice about their aggressive begging. It is like either people here are racists or they act all caring and naive to the poor beggars. I seldom hear moderate views.
A friend gave the local gypsy gang money once and now each time they see her they go 'Ooh my friend!!' Hug and start guilttripping for money. She stopped giving them but they remember and are pissed.
No. 331537
>>331438by "giving them money" i referred to their begging. i usually see them with like, 0.50€ or something at the end of the day.
the government supporting them is ridiculous though, aren't they basically illegal immigrants..?
i absolutely hate radical leftists who are like "uwu they are an oppressed group we must protect them" like, fuck off. immigrants from other countries tend to have or get a degree/job and actually contribute to society. unlike the gypsies who try to drain the countries they visit.
No. 331582
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>tfw you're an immigrant yourself so can't say anything without sounding hypocritical
No. 331606
>>331591I'm anti immigrantion which I know sounds hypocritical of me but unlike them I didn't get a choice in leaving my home country like a lot of the scum being let in did.
I'll save you my sob story since I hate blogposting and I'm pretty sure a few people I know IRL post here but I'm sick of the kind of people that are being let in who refuse to integrate and end up either leeching off the government or committing crimes.
I hate being lumped in with them and having to worry about getting attacked in public because one of the them decided to commit a terrorist act for their make believe god.
I hate that I had to spend years integrating into society and making something of myself only to be discredited and treated like a poor defenceless snowflake too stupid to understand western society despite spending the majority of my life here.
I'm not against all immigration but I definitely think it should be a lot more regulated
No. 331856
>>331848German kids being the minority in schools is just too common for people to care anymore. For years already, way before the refugee crisis. There are many turks and they always have multiple times the amount of children as the natives. All these arab boys are taught to be as macho as possible meanwhile german parents teach you to be as polite and forthcoming as it can get, so of course they don't even defend themselves. Kinda ironic that in america poc or immigrants complain about getting bullied in school, but here it's the complete opposite.
There has been a case of muslims demonstrating outside a school because a teacher was gay as well, so not even they are safe. My mother works in a school and those refugee boys tell her "You're a woman, I don't need to listen to you". At the age of not even 10. What can you do?
No. 333968
>>331856T H I S oh my god, so much.
The thing is, I'm not generally against immigration. I am against muslim/arab/etc immigrants though. Strongly.
Everyone I'd ever bring this up to will be like 'oh but you just need to know their culture, ofc they'll want to bring it with them and their religion means so much to them' bla bla bla. But you know what? So do Koreans, Russians, Indians, Japanese or Chinese people… their cultures differ from ours a lot as well. But still you don't read about Koreans raping and killing women about every second day. Because it doesn't happen. (Not saying rape doesn't happen at all in other countries. Rape happens everywhere, but the frequency…)
It's gotten so out of hand and people still act like there's not a problem. I'm so sick of it.
I live in a big city and I literally can't go out past 8pm on my own without being groped, followed or threatened by a group of muslims (or like, arabs/turks/whatever). Even if it happens with a white guy, it's the ones that are in a group with mainly men of color.
Fuck this shit.
No. 335089
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what are euro anons opinions on the yellow jackets? i think it's great that people are rioting since europe has been turned to shit but that's just my one cent from an amerifat
No. 335096
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>>335089In Belgium most people are angry at them because they block the roads and a lot of people have to spend a lot of extra time in traffic wich I understand is very frustrating, especially when it's a route you have to take every day for work.
I personally think they're right but they're using too much violence to be taken seriously and they annoy the citizens so they don't get their support either, this way the politicians can easily use the excuse "nope we're not listening to those violent people"
The politians here are idiots who don't listen to their people and just do whatever they want, instead of providing a better alternative, they make gas prices higher while they know people still need gas to get to work/the store/family/… meanwhile making the alternatives such as public transport worse (they cancelled A LOT of trains and busses and they're always late) and more expensive. Even if you live close to work, bicycles aren't always a good option either because most of our roads aren't adjusted for bikes.
People are getting more and more angry at the government here, wich is good because Belgians have the tendancy to complain a lot but still dutifully follow the rules.
Same thing about "our" decision at the climate summit, it wasn't the people's choice at all. We demanded a decision that would benefit the environment, there was even a huge and peaceful demonstration but the government did the exact opposite, it was a slap in everyone's face.
Now they're trying to distract everyone with political drama about immigration, wich they know is a sensitive subject for Belgians.
No. 335097
>>335089French in Belgium here.
I think most gilet jaune don't really have a reason to riot. They are people with food on the table, jobs and so on.
It's just that most people are deconnected to what it is to be poor that they think they are actually poor if they can't afford a 4k HD TV without saving for a few month.
My two cents are that they are entitled moron who got way too used at how nice the life (and how much governmental help we actually get) in France can be. I can't wait to see this shit die down.
No. 335101
>>335097I'm
>>335096So you think our government should just do whatever they want and not listen to their people? Even if they lie only to get more money?
You do realise them raising the gas prices isn't for the environment, right? If they'd really care for the environment, they would've made better alternatives and would've not responded the disgusting way they did at the European summit.
No. 335103
>>335101I don't think that they do whatever they want. And I think we've been lucky that gas price have been somewhat "low" for a decade (thank god for troubles in the middle-east, I guess).
I don't care about the prices being for the environnement or not, tbh. We're never going to do the energetic transition if people can just put gas in their car easily (because welp, car is always going to beat bus/train in terms of comfort and speed given how vast France is).
I don't know how to resolve the "car is mandatory in the country", tho. I lived with it growing up and it was shitty. It's a really difficult issue, even harder than it was 30/40 years ago now that most people have to commute to a city to work.
Maybe teleworking will help a little.
No. 335104
>>335103The uprising is about gas prices in the same way that the American Revolution was about tea prices. We're just tired of our "democratic" government doing whatever they want instead of doing what the people want.
Don't take this the wrong way but you seem a bit gullible.
>It's a really difficult issue, even harder than it was 30/40 years ago now that most people have to commute to a city to work.I agree but no solutions besides "lol make all transport more expensive" have been taken. There's so much they could do such as improve public transport or have employers benefit people who carpool and make it easier for people to carpool.
No. 335106
>>335104Gullible about what? Because I'm not about to buy the "all french are poor! Nevermind free schooling, better social support than anywhere else, etc…".
It's entitlement no matter how you put it.
Also, letting people get what they want is not always a good idea.
That's how you end up with rising measles infection because people suddenly think it's better not to vaccinate.
Tu m'excuseras mais parler de la fameuse sagesse du peuple, ça me fait marrer.
No. 335108
>>335106you keep assuming I am French while I said in the beginning I'm belgian. I don't know much about French politics but I've been talking about Belgian ones this whole time.
You also keep assuming the problem is "the people are poor" while I keep trying to make you understand that that's not why they're rioting.
Ofcourse it's not a good idea to let people decide everything but that doesn't mean the government can just ignore what their people want.
They just lie to get more money from everyone for themselves and you seem to believe them. They tell the people the measurements they take is for the good of the people and for the environment but if you think it through, it's only good for their own pocket.
Yes, we do have a good socialistic system but it's also more than half our paycheck that goes towards that system so it's not as if it's for free and unfortunately a lot of people take advantage of our system.
No. 335116
>>19978Immigration is fine aslong as its legal. There should be no open borders of loop holes for families. So example if one person gets through that doesn't automatically men their entire extended family gets to come through. People should have to pass some kind of test to prove they have a basic understanding o the language and culture of the nation they are trying to become a part of. Assimilation is crucial, if someone isnt going to do this then they shouldn't be allowed in.
Europeans shouldn't have to roll over ad hand their countries over foreigners because of things that happened in the passed. Two of my friends have been raped in my city by foreigners from the middle east and the Police did nothing.
No. 335125
>>335116Agree. I don't understand why I gotta jump through hoops and whatnot to live abroad, being a skilled worker, if some third world woman who doesn't speak the language can come with her 15 kids and has no skills, education or plan to learn the language.
I don't mind legal immigrants because they come to study here, or have applicable skills. By all means, they'll become fluent and skilled. They won't sit on their ass and get a 500€ handout every month for doing absolutely jack shit.
If anything they might be even more motivated and grateful than some locals.
>>335122True, people act like Macron is the devil incarnate but truth is people just hate the current president more and more. I'm 99% sure it would have been even worse with Fillon, LePen or Melechon. They just remember fondly Chirac and that's it. I think they just blame the current economy on the current president when those things take years to drop or pick up again and have thousands of influences.
No. 335152
>>331856Germans aren’t even nice. Refugees do suck here though
-An American living in Germany
No. 335164
>>335125This is what dumbfounds me. We let in the literal worst from the third world and then are surprised when crime goes up and the welfare state is imploding.
Why is Europe not recruiting skilled workers from Canada, America, Japan, South Korea or any other 1st worlf country? Why would Germany want 3 million workers from Pakistan? Wouldn't Pakistan want to retain these skilled workers so they can better their own country?
Europe keeps increasing the standards and requirements for its native citizens for jobs, so they naturally cannot reach them anymore and you get a labor shortage. So what do they do? Do they realise that asking for 3 years experience for a entry level minimum wage job is outrageous?
No, they just import workers from the third world which have hilariously low standards/skills and expectations, but the minimum wage to them is exponentially higher to them compared to their home countries. Who the fuck does this benefit? It isn't Europe and it's not the third world.
No. 335231
>>335164First of all, politicians who describe migrants as male rape-hungry lazy bumbling morons do not depict an accurate situation. They do so because they want your vote, and to access well-paid positions where little to no work is asked of them. That's how the Le Pen family managed to become millionaires while in effect doing absolutely nothing useful to the community, living as parasites.
All clever people emigrate from third world countries. A pakistani doctor has absolutely no reason to stay in a corrupt and unsafe state when he could be waiting tables for three times his salary in Europe, and to an unskilled worker (which Germany needs, being almost no unemployment there) the comparison is even more alluring.
The fertility rate is also decreasing everywhere in Europe, meaning immigration is necessary to keep the economic growth going. The cost of education for a single child in Europe for the state is 18 years of inactivity and hundreds of thousands of euros. A migrant could come to Germany, burn 3 cars, spend two years in jail, then start working, and even there he'd be much more cost-efficient than a German-born citizen.
All in all migrants are economically the best thing that could ever happen to a country, and that's not counting the fact that they work for a pittance and some could even have a worthy diploma
>>335115Everything in this post is wrong
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>>335231In Germany the definition of labor shortage is
>less than 7 people applied for the same job… So no, there's not "almost no unemployment". Shitty memes like this results in foreigners flooding into out country.
>The fertility rate is also decreasing everywhere in Europe, meaning immigration is necessary to keep the economic growth going. The cost of education for a single child in Europe for the state is 18 years of inactivity and hundreds of thousands of euros. A migrant could come to Germany, burn 3 cars, spend two years in jail, then start working, and even there he'd be much more cost-efficient than a German-born citizen.Yeah, all those evil lazy children who cost so much money, being all inactive and not working…
Let's rather take in millions of migrants who surely don't come here with the expactation of never having to work…
>All in all migrants are economically the best thing that could ever happen to a countryJust no. The best thing would be no longer having to pay shitloads to poorer euro countries, to have less corrupt politicians who would stop shoving tax money up the ass of banks and the car industry, and so on. I could think of a billion better things than importing illiterates who're over 4 times more likely to rape etc.
>and that's not counting the fact that they work for a pittance and some could even have a worthy diplomaYou seem to be completely brainwashed.
None of these refugees have diplomas. Many can't even write their own name. They don't work.
And if they do, they get paid as little as the german workers who're in the same low skill low pay field as they are.
>Look at the pictures I saved on my smartphone of my underaged wives and children which I left back in the war zone I saved myself from. Can't you read what that social worker girl wrote on this board? Why don't you give me more money so that I can uhm… save my children? You are literally killing them! No. 335280
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>>335114i'm the anon who posted
>>335089 i was asking for any european's opinion on any yellow jackets anywhere since i don't trust how biased mass media is portraying them as terrorists/thugs and i'd rather ask people who actually live in the area. just used gilet jaunes because i loved that pic, wish we could see more here in murica
>>335231not sure if you've lived completely cut off from the real world or never lived in a migrant neighborhood. trust me it'll change your view on letting them all in
>>335096i can't blame you guys for getting pissed at protests in the roads when i drive for work. do you think the protest in belgium might lead to larger ones across your nation later in the future?
also love the chocolate even if it puts a dent in my wallet No. 335319
>>335316>nobody holds the door open for me… >why do so many people bump into me???Stop your whining
To people like you I'd only like to say the probably most 'murican sentence in history: "Go back to there you came from if you don't like it here!"
Seriously, this is a thread about immigration in Europe. So why do you constantly bump it with "uwu the Germans aren't nice to me"?
No. 335330
>>335323
>comparing rape to public drinkingnta but no one gives a fuck about your dislike for germans, americunt. stfu and stop derailing, this is about immigration in europe.
anyway.. apparently a bunch of men, who happen to be immigrants, have been raping and abusing children in finland. this might affect/change the process of being granted a finnish citizenship, because of this politicians want to make it stricter.
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/police_warn_of_online_predators_as_suspected_sex_abuse_cases_uncovered_in_oulu/10540902 No. 335332
>>335323Not my/our fault that you're an easily
triggered pussy.
Fact is, that the likelyhood of refugees commiting crime - especially of violent nature - is a lot higher than native Germans commiting them.
You feeling intimidated by our freedom of being allowed to drink wherever and whenever we want doesn't change that kek
That's so typically leftist american, bitching about everything, but being unwilling to change something (in your case your location). The people in your country are getting shot left and right, human rights basically don't exists in the countries refugees come from, but the Germans living in Germany are the real problem here, right… You're simply spoiled and ungrateful.
No. 335336
>>335323ahhh yes because getting drunk for fun and being rowdy is totally the same as "refugees" comitting legitimate acts violence and rape.
youre just another americunt getting
triggered, because the how dare people not act "docile" and cater to your every whim. oh no, this rando german ill most likely never even meet again who bumped into me and didnt say sorry!
also, can we please speak about anglos immigrating to non english speaking countries. every single one of these people either dont speak the language of said country or speak the language at the level of a brain dead 5 year old. ive met several americans who were outspokenly proud of not being able to speak the local language, and then refer to the locals, usually elderly people, as lazy and stupid for not learning english to cater to them.
sometimes i wish the iron curtain never fell tbh.
No. 335568
>>335368replacement conspiracy nuts go on tirades over idiotic overcomplicated theories when it's really fucking simple:
-if you want more whites, make more children (ironically alrt-righters are the more unwilling to get married and have children)
-arabs and africans have many more children because of an absence of women rights (can't decide when and if have children, has to accept rape pregnancy) and sexual protection (condoms and pills and abortions are unavailable or banned for religious reasons); both things that DO exist in the modern west world.
No. 336054
>>335977It's all related to religion, it's really that simple.
>>335115U probably aren't even French writing this, literally everyone I see typing like this with exception of few aren't French for some reason
No. 337236
Thoughts? This is something I have worried about, but I've heard no one on the left talking about it. I know the truth is generally more nuanced than conservatives make it out to be and I think Elly did a great job exploring some ideas that were floating around in my head, but I couldn't articulate.
Part two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81Ef9L43mGA No. 337262
>>337236The most prominent "leftist" who did that would probably be Boris Palmer, and he's hardly left and prone to populism (he's not wrong tho). Pretty sure the magazine Emma takes the same stance as this video, but that's not very mainstream.
Thanks for posting, I will check out her other videos!
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I am certain many anons ITT live in countries that went ahead and signed the migration pact, yet you don't seem to even be aware of what it entails.
Keep dismissing the writing on the wall as "right-wing" narrative. I am sure it's all fear-mongering propaganda of evil nazis, 325000000 middle-easterners and africans by 2020 doesn't sound so bad!
No. 337364
>>337360I've been sperged out at by too many dishonest, flailing autists with no actual interest in facts before. I don't really want to bother re-finding sources if I'm just going to be ignored and bitched at for the sake of a narrative.
Google is always free, "Sweden rape definition" is a term anyone can think to search, etc etc. Data is not locked in a vault for only people using it for arguments, I've even researched things on my own before. Typically, those who care about something will look into it out of curiosity, while those who just want to argue their opinion is 100% true will only ever insist on being spoonfed.
No. 338435
>>335231>All clever people emigrate from third world countries. A pakistani doctor has absolutely no reason to stay in a corrupt and unsafe state when he could be waiting tables for three times his salary in Europe, and to an unskilled worker (which Germany needs, being almost no unemployment there) the comparison is even more alluring.The thing is, how many actual academics do immigrate compared to the unskilled workers?
And as another anon already stated: the unemployment statistics are skewed. Do you any idea how those statistics work? Because I don’t think so. There’s a bunch of people that have no jobs but aren’t part of the statistics because the goals of job centers is not to make you get a job, but to get you out of the statistics. Anyone that’s part of a job-creation measure or similar is not employed, yet will not be part of the statistic.
Germany’s problem is employers that will ask for unrealistic levels of experience for a ridiculous salary. It’s not a shortage of skilled workers, but a shortage of skilled workers that are willing to work for inhumane payment.
But hey, what great coincidence that we have tons of refugees that are more than willing to go from one temporary job to another that only pays minimum wage because they have to.
>The fertility rate is also decreasing everywhere in Europe, meaning immigration is necessary to keep the economic growth going. You know what would drastically improve the fertility rate? Family friendly job conditions. People stopped having children because nobody can fucking afford it anymore. There are entire workshops about how to legally avoid giving women permanent positions because they might decide to have children and then you won’t be able to kick them out anymore. Living expenses, especially rent, are increasing, inflation is happening, while the salary stays the same.
But refugees and immigrants will gladly have 4 children that share one room while the parents sleep in the living room with their own parents because that’s what they’re used to.
But is that really a culture you want in this country? Do you want it to be the norm for five people to share a single room apartment? Because that’s actually the direction this country is going for right now.
>All in all migrants are economically the best thing that could ever happen to a countryIf you don’t care about Germany becoming a sharia-lead 3rd world country as well then yes. This is totally the way to go.
No. 342199
>>338507>>338560Kek. Oh no, how could anyone care about the future without kids?
You guys are fresh out from the 30's?
No. 342226
>>342208not really, only sub-saharan africa, indian subcontinent, SEA region and probably a lot of chinese population are going to drop drastically due to drought, famine, soil erosion etc.
if EU and north america could stop fucking around with the humanitarian aid and start spending time and resources to prepare for coming changes on their own infrastructure and populations then they might just have a chance, being prepared to adapt is key
also """global warming""" isn't going affect all regions of the earth equally in the first place, if northern hemisphere unless it enters a new ice age from the freezing fresh water entering oceans will have even more arable land to use for food production and benefit from the entire thing, Canada and Russia will be ironically the best places to live without the fear of starvation
of course all of it is speculation and it seems climate scientists are more interested in global consequences than trying to figure out how things are going to work out on localized national scale (though I'm sure the wealthy and the in-the-know are already aware of where to move when things get bad)
No. 342843
>>342840How the fuck did you even come to that conclusion you idiot?
Are you completely brainwashed to the point where you can't even formulate critical thought?
No. 342849
>>342827Yeah and men are spreading the vids of those two women being killed around on porn sites and on a couple of threads here already anon, getting off on it. The families are being harassed with gore from the vid too from mostly muslims but some western men who just hate women.
This shit is a nightmare.. What countries are safe now to visit? Hungray? Switzerland? Austria?
No. 342874
>>342869I do not understand the leftist naivety when it comes to men from violent misogynist cultures, and how trans are more important than women as well.
It makes me politically homeless.
No. 342876
>>342827>AfricansWe don't claim brown/Caucasoid Muslim people (ie Moroccans), thanks.
As a W. African who's having their country fucked up by extremist Muslims and seeing people in countries like Egypt literally enslave my kind, I'm done with idiots lumping us all together because "hurr africa".
No. 342879
>>342876Sorry, I just read they were in africa that's why I wrote it was africans. I don't know about the geopolitics and internal struggle in the african continent.
Regardless, the immigrants are primarily from africa and the middle east and they are all muslim.
No. 342897
>>342874Because the left would rather die than be a transphobic racist. I'm reminded of that when I saw them protest
against women wanting safer communities from muslim rape gangs, sex trafficking and child grooming circles. I've seen women being harassed by the left for suggesting carrying a gun (in the states) or anything to protect themselves. They'd rather protect men who are autogynephiles and erase the very definition of women because it's
triggering. Safe to say the left hates women but hides it under faux naivety
No. 342904
>>342897Honestly, the left are just as much trash as the extreme right. At least the Right doesnt hide their openness about certain shit.
The whole 'i dont wanna be seen as racist or transphobe' rather than protecting women and children's safety is disgusting.
No. 342921
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>>342904>>342906>>342905pic related.
I can't take it anymore, we are living in a fucking circus.
No. 342950
>>342904And the right openly wishes for
their women to be treated almost identically: chained back to the kitchen, perpetually pregnant and without any recognition as a human. No dreams, aspirations or even hobbies. Both the right and the left are just toxic, there's no where to go that doesn't hate women. I fucking hate this
The comments on this vid for example gave me a headache
>take away women's rights and freedom>force them to have babies whether they like it or not>force them to stay inside the home whether they like it or not>that will fix the problem uwu No. 342962
>>342950This is what I don't get about men, particularly right wing men. They hate islam so much - but why? They seem to have the exact same view of women and the exact same desire to subjugate and abuse them. Shouldn't they support Islam then?
It really sucks because although I don't agree with ~open borders uwu all cultures are equal~ that the left promotes, it's not like I can turn to the right either because they want the same fate for me that Islam does. So pretty much the only choice women have is between which group of men they want to be abused and subjugated by. Either way the outcome will be the same - women will have their rights taken away by X group of men and everything will be terrible.
No. 342995
>>342933Imagine knowing a group of particular men taped women being raped and murdered (sent it to the grieving families) only to coddle
their feelings because it's islamphobic racist bigotry otherwise… Ffs
>>342962>do they support islamOnly in their treatment of women, yeah.
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>>342874>Having political homes in the first placelel
Anyways, welcome to the true redpill vote apocalypse 2020
No. 343015
>>342995>Only in their treatment of women, yeah.Can't wait to get fucking raped and murdered by some suburban white dude who joined ISIS for the misogyny. Hell yeah dude, what a future.
It's such bullshit. There truly is no hope for women anywhere and there's next to nothing we can fucking do about it.
No. 343044
>>343015Statistically white men rape the least out of any ethnicity and demographics in the entire world. It's also virtually always family members when it does happen.
You don't have to agree with the right-wing but implying you are likely to be raped by a white man is asinine.
Even if you take it to its logical extreme, nazi soldiers accused or proven to have raped during the occupation or wartime skirmishes were given summary executions by their commanding officers. Meanwhile, the russian soldiers raped over 300000 german women preceding and following the battle of berlin.
No. 343049
>>343044All I'm saying that the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if 'white men' eventually give in and form an alliance with Islam due to their mutual hatred of and desire to harm and subjugate women.
Seems crazy until you see the way that even white men speak about women and what they would like to see happen to them. Most of them think these two girls who were beheaded 'deserved' it for being women.
No. 343051
>>343049Exactly. An unacceptable chunk of men are murderous, rapist trash. What else is new? Islam gives them even more free reign to do as they please, but this decidedly male sickness pervades all cultures. It's insane how so many men are consistently evil across the board, regardless of culture, race and religion. They can all unite on wanting us to die and/or live miserably.
All these huwhite incels are virtue signalling about protecting culture and race, but they're actually really happy about this. Delighted and gleeful. They actually want women to be killed and raped all because "tfw no gf". They're spreading the beheading videos everywhere, jerking off over it and making memes. They just hate women, even "their own" women.
These sorts of killers, and the men all over the world celebrating their deaths (aka would-be killers) should all be rounded up, castrated with no anesthesia and have their hands cut off.
No. 343130
>>342876yes because sub-saharan black africans are a very peaceful people, they certainly don't go around raping and butchering people for stupid fucking reasons
>>342879not all muslims, the destablisation of Libya has made it easier for black africans to also enter Europe. If you've been to France or Italy you'll see the amount of dark black sub-saharans are there and they're not muslims.
No. 343229
>>343130Another Amerifat piece of shit that dorsn't know what they're talking about
The ones that do the crime sare always muslim. African Christians NEVER do this
No. 343258
>>343245Of course it's a male issue, not even men are arguing it. Whatever the impetus may be, evolutionary pressures, abuse of physical power, testosterone-driven frenzy, neurological basis, what have you. It's a very real issue that needs to GO AWAY YESTERDAY.
That said, white men by and large do not rape. The rates sit somewhere between 0.7 - 2.0 per 100000.
I sternly believe a)culture b)intelligence c)monogamy backed by societal and religious mores, and d)egalitarian homogeneous societal structures, make it so rape and sexual assault is so rare in white nations.
We need to FOCUS on rape between family members, that's a huge chunk of all rapes and I only see people harping about nonissues like manspreading and sexual harrassment in the workplace. I am sick of it.
Combat family rape and aggravated rape by middle-eastern/african minorities and we will see progress.
No. 343262
>>343261Because they treat it as sexual assault and muddy the waters. The more you dilute something the more normalized it gets and the more people start to dismiss it.
Open your eyes, if you think #metoo helped with sexual assault and rape awareness I've got a bridge to sell you.
No. 343279
>>343268Kek. It's such a novel idea that rape is not related to white genes only this one anon from 3 years ago is saying it?
You might want to get some fresh air asap, anon.
No. 349998
>>349978I had to look it up because I'm not even sure what
>>344765 mean.
The total amount of grenade attacks in Sweden is about the same as the amount of fires caused by fireworks annually
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New statistics from Sweden.
>rape resulting in full penetration
No. 357784
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All reported rapes (incl. anoreceptive rape), according to the aggregate TheSpectatorIndex.
No. 364292
Something that I keep seeing that proofs again and again that our cultures simply aren't compatible is, that they don't follow rules.
I'm not even talking about crimes, but general things that nobody but them is doing, e.g. jaywalking or running across train tracks. This shit gets people in 3rd world countries killed on the daily, here they would no longer have a reason to risk their lifes, so why do they keep doing it? Because they won't listen. They make no effort to blend in.
Everybody buys a ticket, they don't. Everybody on the train or is quiet, refugees enter, blast their arab music loudly. Everybody is talking normally, black refugee women are yelling around, while blocking the the side walk with their strollers.
And all these small things add up, and make the native population resent them more and more.
>>364283>reparationsThis disgusts me so much. You probably won't find a single country on earth that hasn't done horrible shit, yet only europeans are held accountable.
Another favourite is
>muh crusades!