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No. 198228
>How do you feel about this vegan trend?
I've mixed feelings about it.
On one hand, I totally get that the meat industry is fucked up. I don't eat beef or pork, mostly game, poultry and certain kinds of seafood, but if I gave up all meat it would literally kill me so I don't. Some vegans I've met but especially militant internet vegans are utterly deaf to other people's (often justified) dietary needs and think that one size fits all when it comes to nutrition, which it very very much does not. Anyone who's ever lived with another human being of a similar age can attest to that. I also hate the blatant bullshit they spew on the internet, the sketchy articles they link to, how they always resort to insults and autistic screeching to shut you up if you disagree (see: crystal cafe /health/ board, it's a mess). They don't seem to understand that calling someone a stupid carnist (lol) whore and telling them they're going to die if they don't go meat-free isn't very likely to change anyone's opinion. They're always so extra, I get being passionate about something - I'm really passionate about the environment and abhor creating excess waste (especially plastic), and I'll gladly tell someone what I think about plastic packaging or whatever but I'd never pull anyone's sleeve or yell at them because they hoard shitty Colourpop lipsticks in plastic packaging that they're only going to use once and then 'KonMari/destash'. Will I think they're an idiot? Yes. But I'm allowed to think whatever I damn well please as long as I keep it to myself.
And that's another thing - I feel like this whole #cruelty-free #vegan bullshit is just posturing and virtue signalling. Most of the things we use nowadays were determined to be safe thanks to animal testing. Some of the best-performing medicine we have was made safe thanks to animal testing. Sure, we can test on artificial skin but we can't create entire organisms in a lab and see whether a cosmetic product is an endocrine disruptor or not. Every cruelty-free brand or product only exists thanks to years of animal testing, because in a lot of places there just isn't enough human volunteers.
And that's nothing compared to the damage those same CF/vegan products are doing to the environment in other ways. "Vegan leather" is plastic, is non-biodegradable and ends up in landfills. Most plastics can't be upcycled, only downcycled, meaning they can be repurposed for something else a limited number of times before they too end up in a landfill. All the shitty packaging from their cheap vegan Barry M lippie ends up in a landfill somewhere, and they probably don't give a shit because 1) not buying said lippie or switching to something in fussy cardboard packaging inconveniences them, and finding a plastic-free alternative is almost impossible, or at the very least very expensive 2) fish and birds just don't tug at your heartstrings the same way cute lab bunnies do. And this shit is already destroying our environment, but it's not Instagram-sexy so who cares.
Not even gonna go into the disgusting practices and blatant greenwashing of supposedly animal-friendly companies/NGOs like PETA and Lush.
One thing I do appreciate about veganism is that it's popularised meat alternatives and healthy eating. Even if a lot of vegans don't actually eat healthy, it's nice that these things are more accessible than ever.
No. 198261
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>>198213I've been vegetarian for around 3 years now. For a mix of moral and health reasons. Today at lunch after looking at the boring veggie options I just finally said fuck it and bought myself a chicken sandwich. IT WAS SO GOOD
I wish more veggies/vegans would be honest that meat DOES taste fucking delicious. I missed chicken so much, I rarely ate other meats. I only feel a tiny bit bad tbh, but I think I'm kind over being a strict vegetarian now.
No. 198268
>>198261Half of my friends are vegetarian and most think that meat tastes good.
I think so too and I fucking miss chicken as well lol.
Only when I am hungry though.
But after 3 years of being a veggie didn't you feel sick or something ?
Sometimes I eat a little bit of meat because people didn't tell me or something like that so I haven't eaten anything big since like 6 years now or so.
I'm just wondering if I would eat a steak now would I feel sick because of not eaten meat in 6 years (not that I want to I stick too much to my believes).
No. 198271
>>198261>>198264I don't find this pic that disturbing. He's actually using the whole monkey (even if it is a monkey) for his soup/stew.
It's probably a little bit more ethical than meat eaters who can't stomach offal, even if it looks horrific.
No. 198274
>>198268See I thought it would make me feel sick but I feel fine, at least right now. Maybe because its white meat, red meat is pretty 'heavy' I'm pretty sure that would make you ill.
Kind of gross sorry, but also:
I did also eat real chicken by mistake once a little while and they were pink raw in the middle, I didn't even question it. Thought I was getting fake ones so I just thought maybe I undercooked them and it was made of some strange ingredient or something. Nothing happened to me, although I certainly felt gross when I found out I had eaten raw chicken a few months later
No. 198293
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I don't honestly care if someone is vegan.
The only thing I look down upon are people who buy cheap meat from animals raised in cramped factories (even though they can afford to buy pasture-raised, free-range).
I tried going vegan for around 6 months with my mom after she went vegan. I felt really awful although she claimed to have felt great, so I went vegetarian.
I still didn't feel right, so I started eating a little meat. Now I eat the most "humane" meats I can find (free-range, organic, pasture-raised, wild-caught, local, grass fed etc). I do the same thing with most dairy and eggs.
I feel a lot better with my current diet, even though I still don't eat much meat. What I really wish is that communities like PETA would stop preaching veganism as the only way to care for animal welfare. It'd be nice to promote things that the rest of us can support, such as not eating factory-farmed meat etc. For some reason a lot of people seem to believe there are only two options: eat meat from an animal that was cramped indoors and abused their entire life OR don't eat meat at all.
The worst part is PETA acts like all free-range animals are raised with the bare minimum to meet the requirement of being free-range. They completely ignore all the farms that focus on truly providing animals good food, companionship, and lots of space to roam. I don't have anything against vegans, but I do dislike those who look down on people who try to eat more humane-meats, because we aren't completely cutting it out from our (traditional, normal for tens-of-thousands of years)diets ugh.
No. 198294
>>198271not vegan/vegetarian but at least he's using all of it instead of wasting it. like i'm a little upset he's eating a fucking monkey, but i also eat cows and shit so i guess it would be hypocritical to criticize
but that is one thing that annoys me is people who waste meat. if youre gonna kill something at least don't waste 60% of it. i will never understand people who turn their noses up at certain cuts of meat or other parts.
No. 198320
>>198305I don't even post there…
Also
>sane>someone always linking to shady websites, talking about how if you eat meat you'll clog your arteries and die and warning people that milk will kill you despite the OP of the picture admitting to photoshopping the original infographCmon
No. 198322
>>198321That's just the internet being itself though, also has nothing to do with meat eaters since it was about killing an endangered animal as opposed to the reactionary "MEAT IS DELICIOUS, MEAT IS FOR REAL MEN" videos and reddit posts made by
triggered neckbeards. Wasn't even the first time it happened (see: Harambe).
I know some meat eaters can be super autistic about it but you're reaching af
No. 198326
>>198229I feel like meat/cheese imitations are kind of a necessary evil to make the concept of veganism palatable (ha) to the mainstream. Nearly everyone is brought up with at least some meat in their diet and every now and then a person wants to return to that dish they associate with childhood and comfort that plant based dishes cannot provide them, not matter how delicious.
Ideologically I'm not a fan of them and feel like they can take away from the movement somewhat by giving the signal that many people are dependent on them in order to stay vegan.
>>198259>Lettuce is nutritional garbageWhat the fuck? Romaine lettuce has great nutritional value, comparable with kale and spinach.
No. 198329
>>198248>People aren't going to lose their taste for meatExcept you'll literally lose your cravings for meat when you stop eating meat.
If you mean economically, the simple solution is for the government to stop frickin' subsidizing meat first of all but also give it the tobacco treatment: tax, ban advertisements, put warning labels and off-putting images of clogged arteries and last but not least, sell animal body parts with the heads on. I can hardly imagine these actions won't make a dent in demand.
I find it sad and hilarious that you'd rather overlook such a straightforward answer in favor of anything that doesn't involve simply reducing meat intake and pretend that the current demand for meat isn't created but rather somehow inherent.
No. 198332
>>198329>Except you'll literally lose your cravings for meat when you stop eating meat.Not objectively true.
People just won't eat meat if they don't buy it and don't have the access to it.
As a few previous vegan/vegetarian posters in here said, the temptation for meat is lingering
>>198225,
>>198268,
>>198261.
Even protein meals for vegetarians and vegans are textured, shaped, and tasted to be akin to meat.
My stepfather was vegetarian for years, but he eventually went back to an omnivore diet because myself and mom would eat meat and he'd be jealous and want some too.
My cousin is being forced to be vegetarian by my uncle, and she constantly complains about wanting to sneak chicken sandwiches and other meat products because they smell and look tasty.
Again, meat consumption will not realistically decrease. It's not denying that people should
ideally reduce their intake, but the rising global population will basically null any progress. A pipedream, anon, and you've got to be naive to think it's gonna get better anytime soon unless people stop reproducing and we grow meat in labs.
No. 198335
>>198320Milk actually is linked to fucking up your calcium. Honestly, most of the world is lactose-interaly. The only reason dairy is hyped so hard in the US is because the industry paid a lot of money to advertise itself and funded doctors who would praise it.
Milk is a fucking meme. I eat cheese, and even I know this.
No. 198337
>>198335>lactose-interaly*lactose-intolerant
No idea how I fucked that up.
No. 198338
>>198336I'll give you that sucking the milk from the teat of a cow isn't natural, but no animal gives a shit about meat being contaminated with urine and feces.
Humans however evolved to cook our meat, and so our bodies never had a reason to adapt itself to stomach the bacterium that most wild animals can handle, like how the vulture has more powerful stomach acid to process decomposed flesh and not get sick. Animals go for the guts.
Humans eat rectum, intestines, and other offal.
Sorry but that's one argument I don't buy. Though I will say the dairy industry has done some fucked, corrupt shit.
No. 198339
>>198336I used to think that… then I became lactose intolerant later in life rofl.
RIP milk teas.
Tbh you can't be a troO vegan unless you're planting your own stuff, buying anything at all where the workers eat meat is indirectly contributing to the meat market
No. 198345
>>198213No I get what you mean. It's so much more acceptable for meat eaters to treat vegans/vegetarians like shit. It's considered not fucking sadistic to sneak meat into a non-meaters' food - people asspat each other and circle jerk about it like some hippie annoying you makes it logical for you to pretty much poison them (some of them are unable to process animal products + think of the agony that would put them in).
I'm an omnivore but I don't really mind herbivores. I mean I understand why they're so militant…they're trying to save the earth/reduce animal suffering and a lot of people give them shit for it.
The people who annoy me more, like anons in the thread mentioned, are virtue-signaling bitches that act like they're doing soooo much just because they're using cruelty-free products. Or PETA bitches. They don't even research shit and just regurgitate PETA's crazy propaganda. Also self-proclaimed animal lovers who only care about dogs and cats.
No. 198347
>>198332>Not objectively true.Meat, unlike dairy, doesn't have any opoids or other addictive substances that makes a person crave more. On top of that, people generally don't fine meat appetizing until it's seasoned or eaten in combination with other foods. Meat is usually in a dish to add texture.
Until you provide proof otherwise I don't see why I should budge from this position.
No. 198350
>>198332>>198261>veg for >3 years>craving meatYeah bullshit. I might believe it if she was a few months in, but meat should stop smelling and tasting good way sooner than that. That and the entire wording and tone of the post reeks of falseflagging.
>>198348>>198349I see who I am arguing with now. If you're gonna post anti-vegan pro-meat bullshit at least prepare some arguments that would make sense.
No. 198351
>>198347>>198350Huh, I've been vegetarian for a few months with no fall-back or cheating days and I crave chicken nuggets like hell. I agree that in theory it's not too hard to go vegan but anyone can crave anything without there being a logical reason.
I don't understand why you would refuse to acknowledge something as trivial as people having different tastes.
No. 198352
>>198351Because your anecdote is not supported by science and my personal experience contradicts it? I'm sorry, but I'm not going to instantly accept some random shitpost on an anonymous discussion forum at face value without any form of supporting evidence.
By no cheating, are you including meatless meats? If not, I can imagine that causing someone to automatically compare it with and in turn crave the real thing. I've been following a WFPB diet and so far the only thing I crave is sugar. I had 5 apples today.
No. 198353
>>198352Cravings are not something that need to be logical, should they? I heard that people with iron deficiency can crave chewing on ice, which is completely illogical, so why would it be weird if I craved something that I used to eat for over 20 years of my life?
Old habits die hard, I've always loved meat and the taste of it, it made me feel good. Now I'm over it and I don't need it, it disgusts me to think of how it's made and the suffering it's causing, but I still crave the taste and I feel hungry when I smell roasting animals. I'm sure if I did end up eating it I would hate myself and feel bad, which is why I've resisted the temptation. But if we follow your logic, does that mean someone who hasn't eaten one food in years will be disgusted by it? I haven't eaten chestnuts in months but I don't feel repulsed by the idea of them.
I don't eat any fake meat or fake cheese or anything, can't find them where I live. The only replacement I have is soy milk instead of milk, the rest I just do without. I'm practically vegan but sometimes I do end up consuming things with dairy in them if someone offers.
No. 198357
>>198350So if someone stops eating doughnuts, it means its gonna taste bad and they won't crave it after a long time?
Hm. Real science there.
No. 198358
>>198357uh, well. Im on a keto diet with no sugar and no carbohydrates whatsoever. I wouldnt say stuff I dont eat starts tasting "bad", but the taste does change.
Eg. simple things as cheese start having a more pronounced taste as before. I also taste sugar as
way sweeter than before when I regularely ate it. It must have something to do with taste buds.
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>>198377>>198378why do people do this
No. 198384
>>198350>the post reeks of falseflaggingHaha fucking what?
>>198347>Meat, unlike dairy, doesn't have any opoids>dairy has opoidsWhere the fuck are you getting that milk has opioids? Something doesn't have to be addictive for a person to want and crave it because it smells or looks good.
>people generally don't fine meat appetizing until it's seasoned or eaten in combination with other foodsTartare? Sashimi? Carpaccio? Yukoe?
Sorry but there are plenty of dishes where raw, generally under-seasoned, meat is the focal point of the dish. The reason most people cook it is to make it easier to digest and to get rid of bacteria that we did not evolve to process like wild animals because we learned to cook.
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>>198350>taking dietary advice from penn jillette>milk and meat contain opioids>being this deep in denial about enjoying meatI'm trying to figure out whether you're serious or just an elaborate ruseman
No. 198428
>>198293Chickens do not naturally live in open fields like that pic they need low scrub and bush to scratch in. Instinctively in the open they are too vulnerable to predators and feel unsafe
t. Chickens pro
No. 198468
>>198463>>198435I'm sorry you're a nihilistic edgelord who gets vaguely annoyed when others aren't the same, Samantha, but not all of us have to live that way.
There's literally nothing wrong with minimizing the harm you do to other living creatures where you can.
Your logic can be twisted to literally fit any shitty decision, too.
>Why not steal and shoplift constantly? Nothing matters in the grand scheme of things. The stores you buy clothes and food from are stealing money from innocent worker's pockets and plundering other countries of natural resources! Not caring at all is better.>Why not kill cats and dogs for fun? Nothing matters in the grand scheme of things. When you buy clothes made in Chinese sweatshops or support Korean products of any sort, you're literally paying for the workers to buy cat or dog meat anyway. You literally put that money in their pocket. Not caring at all is better.>Why not push pregnant women down stairs? Nothing matters in the grand scheme of things. When you buy an iPhone, you're funding Chinese sweatshops that force pregnant women to work 66 hours and offer them absolutely no safety or job precautions whatsoever. Not caring at all is better.You're jerking yourself off RIGHT NOW if you aren't the worst human you could possibly be, anon.
No. 198469
>>198463It's just like saying "there's 7 billion people living in the world right now, it makes no difference if you kill one".
It makes a huge difference. Individually, to that one being and their family, and cumulatively, to the entire world.
"The grand scheme of things" is nothing but a sum of its parts. 1+1+1+1… or 1-1-1-1… Being a minus among minuses brings noone any good, including you.
One thing IS better than the other. The better one is harder, so of course people slip up or do just as much as they can. Don't scorn them for not being perfect in an imperfect world, praise them for fighting. They're fighting for you, your children, and the world we live in.
No. 198471
>>198469It really doesn't.
A pretty substantial portion of the 7+ billion people on the planet are fairly worthless to the entire world, and possibly to their families as well (one less mouth to feed, one less life to worry about).
It's a pretty cruel thing to think about, but billions of people on this planet will never have the chance to fulfill any sort of meaningful potential contribution to the rest of us.
No. 198472
>>198471Who the fuck are are you to deem someone's existence as unworthy?
Was your mom worthy of existence? How about your grandma? How about that ape that fucked another ape that evolved into your ancestors? How about that paramecium you came from?
Are YOU worthy of existence? By your own criteria, you are not, in my eyes. Luckily, I don't share your criteria.
No. 198474
>>198472No one is worthy of existence. I'm not, you're not, the paramecium we came from are not. Life just happens. We are all born out of circumstance, it doesn't matter if we deserve to be alive or not. We just are. No one asks to be born, and no one deserves to be born.
Is there worth in working in dangerous conditions so the western world can view it's luxuries as necessities? Is there worth in being alive with zero future, zero potential, zero help, zero salvation, zero chance of doing anything other than the backbreaking, slave-like, pennies-for-the-month work that a LOT of the world is doing?
No. 198475
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>>198213Veganism is the worst diet out there…except for literally every other diet.
The best diet for almost anyone is largely vegetarian and has some meat. Most of us are descended from agriculturally adapted, carb-metabolizing people.
A few of us have some primitive genes lurking around, meaning it might be better to eat a bit less starch.
The worst diets by far are paleo and keto. Carbs are superior to fat as a source of energy, and there's nothing wrong with sugar.
No. 198482
>>198474>No one is worthy of existence. I'm not, you're not, the paramecium we came from are not.It's not YOU who gets to decide anyone's worth or lack there of. If nothing and nobody has worth for you or in your (quasi-philosophical) opinion, it does not stop them from having the highest possible worth to others.
And what the fuck is that second paragraph even about???
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>>198443>>198463One person may not make a huge difference but a growing movement of people will.
>>198471>>198474Okay now you're just being an edgelord.
No. 198485
>>198475Fat is bad when you've got another energy source: carbs. Bodies use carbs for energy when its god carbs, but if you cut the carbs out and suppliment it with fat, your body goes into ketosis and it uses fat for energy. Most carbs are not edible in their original uncooked form, the things that had the most carbs that cavemen would have ate would be fruit. Fat is bad when its with carbs, if you take a look at the research that says fat is bad, you'll find its funded by wheat/carb industry.
>>198483 What are you gonna do when jobs are cut out from their industries? Their industry also provides money and jobs to vege farmers to feed the animals. There's no economic reasoning for veganism. But thats okay, as long as you feel good about yourself eating leaves because you have no other accomplishments.
No. 198486
>>198483Lol I'm the one who first posted about the use of plastic (and only twice more after that) and I've already said that I don't eat meat with a high environmental impact. I also shop in bulk stores and own only makeup in plastic free packaging, buy used clothing and shop local. Funny you should post that image though because I haven't once seen a vegan who was actually serious about anything they preach or ready to give up most modern conveniences and lead by example without throwing a fit and demanding the rest of the world change to accommodate them. All they do is scaremonger and throw around false information.
Cute strawman though.
No. 198488
>>198352Holy shit you are
triggered lmao
I had INSANE meat cravings 1 year into a vegetarian diet, it got so bad that i would eat everything that was gonna be trashed after a family meal, i just couldnt help myself.
Glad i left that retarded religion.
No. 198494
>>198488>Glad i left that retarded religion.That's a pretty sad thing to say. What made you even go vegetarian in the first place if you hate it so much now?
And yeah the big thing stopping me from eating leftover meat or other animal products is because I know if I taste them again I'll probably fall back into a fully omnivore diet and I really want to avoid it, but people who waste food are really enraging.
No. 198498
>>198496Why are you comparing people to lowly animals whose sole purpose for being born is to be used as food/give us food? You're inserting feelings into animals where there aren't any.
But vegans are just emotionally manipulative people in general.
No. 198501
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I've been practicing Buddhism for years.
Studied deeply, meditated a lot.
Reflected with critical thinking as much as I could.
One day, a couple of vegans come to our center.
The grill is a militant vegan, the boy is her little pet apparently, a spineless leftard twat.
She asks a question "what is your stance on eating meat?".
I tell her serious answer, that there isn't a big problem with that, a lot of great masters are happy to eat some meat when they get the occasion, etc.
She completely ignores my answer and proceeds to o militant veganism to us, as if it was the most important core teaching of Buddhism and I was wrong, probably stupid too.
This older grill who lives at the center rapidly told them that we were too busy to receive them, that these days, practice was only between friends, we couldn't receive outsiders…
I never saw them again, good riddance. TBH, we that frame of mind, they would feel better with Muslims who refuse to eat pork.
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>>198522>The Buddhism I've grown up with does not allow consumption of onions, shallots, spring onion and that sort of stuff.In China, Korea and Vietnam, monks are expected to abstain from eating meat. In Taiwan, Buddhist monks, nuns, there, probably a lot of lay followers eat no animal products or the "fetid vegetables" – like garlic, shallot, onion. Communities of monks follow their rules and codes quite strictly, however '''in the Buddhist code for monks, the Vinaya, it isn't forbidden to eat meat'''. Buddhist monks may eat meat and that isn't indulging oneself as opposed as what we could think. Though, monks may not exercise any choice when it comes to food they and that can be much harder than being a vegetarian.
According to the Surangama Sutra, eaten raw, "fetid vegetables" are believed to incite people to anger and disputes and eaten cooked they are supposed to increase one's sexual desire. Buddhist adepts are advised to avoid them, as their consumption tends to disturb the peacefulness of the mind. In my English translation of the text it's written "… beings who seek to enter samadhi should refrain from eating plants of the onion group…". This is part of the sacred texts attributed to the spoken words of Buddha. But, you'd only have to stop eating those things only '''if it makes sense to you''' (it's true, beneficial and useful), according to your advancement on the path, to your understanding, to the other scientific studies on the topic, to what your trustful master teaches you, or to the rules of your particular community if you're a monk or live otherwise among such Buddhist community.
However, Buddhist monks are often supposed to ask to be given food and to eat everything that is given to them, including meat. There are many places in the '''Buddhist scriptures which tell of the Buddha and his monks being offered meat and eating it'''. Scriptures also specify that it's way better if the meat doesn't come from an animal killed specifically to feed some monks though.
So, now, we've got Buddhist monks, yogis and lay people eating all sort of things. There are as many Buddhisms as there are Buddhists if we go into minute detail. Some masters want to teach only to vegetarian students. Some others '''drink a bit of alcohol, eat meat and have sex and family. Tibetan Lamas including, but even more often for Zen Monks'''.
Pic mostly related, a cow ashamed of her big tits trying to get into a good posture. No. 198532
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>>198522>The Buddhism I've grown up with does not allow consumption of onions, shallots, spring onion and that sort of stuff.In China, Korea and Vietnam, monks are expected to abstain from eating meat. Buddhist monks, nuns and probably a lot of lay followers there, eat no animal products or the "fetid vegetables" – like garlic, shallot, onion. Communities of monks follow their own rules and codes quite strictly, however in the Buddhist code for monks, the Vinaya, it isn't forbidden to eat meat. Buddhist monks may eat meat. And that isn't indulging oneself as opposed as what we could think. Though, monks may not exercise any choice when it comes to food they eat and that can be much harder than being a vegetarian.
According to the Surangama Sutra, eaten raw, "fetid vegetables" are believed to incite people to anger and disputes and eaten cooked they are supposed to increase one's sexual desire. Buddhist adepts are advised to avoid them, as their consumption tends to disturb the peacefulness of the mind. In my English translation of the text it's written "… beings who seek to enter samadhi should refrain from eating plants of the onion group…". This is part of the sacred texts attributed to the spoken words of Buddha. But, you'd only have to stop eating those things only if it makes sense to you (it's true, beneficial and useful), according to your advancement on the path, to your understanding, to the other scientific studies on the topic, to what your trustful master teaches you, or to the rules of your particular community if you're a monk or live otherwise among such Buddhist community.
However, Buddhist monks are often supposed to ask to be given food and to eat everything that is given to them, including meat. There are many places in the Buddhist scriptures which tell of the Buddha and his monks being offered meat and eating it. Scriptures also specify that it's way better if the meat doesn't come from an animal killed specifically to feed them though.
So, now, we've got Buddhist monks, yogis and lay people eating all sort of things. There are as many Buddhisms as there are Buddhists if we go into minute detail. Some masters want to teach only to vegetarian students. Some others drink a bit of alcohol, eat meat and have sex and family. Tibetan Lamas including, but even more often for Zen Monks.
Pic mostly related, a cow ashamed of her big tits trying to get into a good posture.
No. 198539
>>198486but anon, you aren't COMPLETELY removing plastics and you're using a computer. therefore you aren't as great as you say you are :^)
seriously do you think no one else here shops secondhand? lmao
No. 198544
>>198482>>198472I might ask you the same question tbh
Who are YOU to deem someone's existence as worthy?
You're just spouting pretty platidudes that mean nothing
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>>198566
>if you don't mind me asking, what sort of meats are high environmental impact? i know chicken and cows obviouslyUh, no, not at all. Chickens are extremely environmentally friendly, as far as meat goes.
Ruminant animals (cow, sheep, goats, bison) are the worst.
Pork is a little worse than chicken.
No. 198580
I went veggie, then exactly six months later went vegan. I don't mind it as a trend because at least we're getting more recipes to try and pointers towards 'accidentally vegan' stuff. But the really pushy preachy vegans piss me off, because it never comes across as 'I care about animals so much, let me talk you into it', it's always 'I am superior to you because I have different morals and the willpower to restrict my food!!!'. Admittedly, I did go vegan initially because of my ED. But I stuck with it through recovery too and still came out feeling healthier and better about myself and my morals afterwards. I don't push veganism because an ex-anorexic has no place telling other people what to eat, and that was the shit I hated the most. So when I see vegans basically dictating what their peers should eat I want to slap them, because they aren't trying to manipulate you so why should you do the same back?
The new trend of more cruelty-free makeup is a bit polarising for me though, because on the one hand, it's solely for marketing nowadays and to show how compassionate and human the companies are. But on the other, hey, at least I know it wasn't tested on bunnies. The same applies to how I see veganism as a trend - it might all be for show but at least it's doing /some/ good.
No. 198595
>>198589I feel the same but my family also hunt our own. I think it's a little better that way because everything is used. Offal and bones go to the dogs, meat and some sweetbreads go to the freezer, and antlers/hides are cleaned, preserved, and used.
How do vegan/vegetarian anons feel about eating the eggs from hens that we keep and allow to forage and roam on the property? I know a large issue with eggs is the conditions of battery hen farms, but do you guys still consider it a moral issue?
(Sorry in advance if the hunting talk is offensive or seems like baiting, I'm being serious)
No. 198597
>>198595The most ethically moral foods to eat are female derived.
Eggs, milk, fruit, honey, grains, etc. are all harvested without killing living beings (at least prior to industrial farms)
No. 198601
>>198583This poster proved what she said right
>>198580 lols.
>>198589Nothing wrong at all. Plenty of people die every single day, yet none of us are crying every single day, means we're heartless shitheads? Nope, it doesn't affect us so it doesn't matter. People who do that kind of stuff are trying to find something to feel speshul and superior about(they have no redeeming qualities after all).
And when someone close actually dies I find the person who maybe talked to them once or twice over exaggerates and pretends to be the deceased's bff(using dead person to attentionwhore) more annoying than one who wasn't close and doesn't care.