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No. 194158

I wanna know my fellow farmers opinions on stuff that society usually doesn't talk about. Why is it wrong, should it be wrong, stuff that is widely frowned upon and even local taboo from your friends, families or even country.

I hope this thread doesn't go to the shitter so fast.

No. 194159

I'll start.

What is your opinion on incest?

I am extremely disgusted by it, and of course I can't even think about doing it myself, but sometimes I do ask if I don't feel that way because I'm expected to.

What about two consenting adults that don't plan on having babies ever?

I still don't know. But still, makes me shudder.

No. 194164

>>194159
people can't help what society exposes them to?

No. 194165

>>194159
For me, incest in a fictional setting is acceptable. Even typing that feels fucked up, but what I mean is that whenever in reading a book/t.v. show/film, and something incestuous comes up, I kind of think 'thats messed up' but then accept it. What always feels hypocritical of me, is that I can not stand loli/shota shit at all.

I should also mention, whenever I read 'incest', I think of siblings. Parent/child does disgust me even in fiction.

No. 194168

>>194164

I know, what is your point? I mean, people can't help, but their ideas can change even after years of exposition. I don't know if I follow you, anon.

>>194165

>I should also mention, whenever I read 'incest', I think of siblings. Parent/child does disgust me even in fiction.


Yeah, me too. Siblings or cousins. I can't think about trying to fuck someone you gave birth and raised. It's fucked up on so many levels.

But makes me think about uncle/nephews, tho. Ugh

No. 194172

>>194168
I find the idea of incest disgusting but then I guess I'm just thinking that there must be some kid out there right now for example that has been exposed to incest porn or something, and then ideas about incest become their gateway into sexuality and is it ever really the fault of these people that society raises them in such a fucked up way?

No. 194173

>>194159
I'm absolutely disgusted by the idea of it but I couldn't care less if people do it as long as it's between two consenting adults, they're not having kids, and they keep it in the bedroom.
That being said, I am a bit of a hypocrite since I think if I were to find out someone I knew was in an incestuous relationship like that, I'd probably distance myself from them.

>>194165
I feel the same way. The only time that sorta thing would bother me is if it is actually being promoted through the media.

>What always feels hypocritical of me, is that I can not stand loli/shota shit at all.

I don't blame you, anon. I still don't mind it in fictional settings as long as it's not being promoted and/or it actually helps stop pedophiles from harming actual children. But I still can't stand it because (obviously) it's disgusting and it feels like it's become a huge trend to be into that sorta thing.

No. 194174

>>194159
I'm not really bothered by sibling/cousin incest in fiction because half the time in live action fiction the actors don't look remotely related, even when they're twins (Dennis and Dee come to mind) and because, well, it's fiction, and I know a lot of people only ship it for the taboo nature of it, not because they are at all interested in the idea of fucking their own siblings.

No. 194177

>>194174

TBH all people that I personally knew that shipped incest don't have siblings. As a matter of fact, I still know this particular girl, she ships Satsuki and Ryuuko from KLK, even her fb cover is a ship pic of them, and jesus, I get so disgusted by it.

>>194173
I'm still on the fence about fictional depictions of pedophilia and also children real dolls.

No. 194181

Okay Ill get this off my chest I fucking HATE old people theyre a waste of space and resources. They dont provide anything to the community or economy just a bunch of oxygen depleters with backward thinking. In saying that I get a slight sense of relief when I read/hear about geriatric deaths etc. Cause all I can think is good no more resources needing to be wasted on those close to death when money should be spent on education cancer research environment etc.

No. 194182

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No. 194187

In fictional settings I don't really care what people choose to portray. I think it says more about the person who chooses to ship incest/loli than it does about the person who creates it - unless the creator is very clearly into it themselves/glorifying it as a good thing, they are just portraying things that unfortunately do happen amongst human beings. Pretending that they don't would limit a huge amount of creative works, and be sanitising the human race. In ancient civilisations paedophilia and incest was very common, but as most very clearly know the dangers of both, it is definitely an individual thing to admire it.

As for IRL incest (obviously IRL child abuse is absolutely wrong and disgusting) I don't have a problem with adult siblings/cousins (of similar age) incest, as long as both consent to being made infertile ("getting the snip" or whatever). As long as they're not procreating and both able to legally consent, it's their own choice I guess. Inter-generational (parent/child, uncle/nephew, etc) is wrong though. It just seems like an abuse of power, no matter how old both parties are (and realistically these pairings don't tend to happen when both parties are 40+).

Many societies still have cultural practices of incest/paedophilia though. It's hard to think about as a modern-day West European woman because it's never been acceptable (or legal) in my country in my lifetime.

>>194173
That's a point I've always wondered about. I'd much rather paedos were getting off to loli drawings in private than abusing actual kids, but you're right in saying that the more it's "normalised" the more people seem to be casually into it?

No. 194193

>>194181
Hope you end up all alone in a nursing home with nobody to wipe your decrepit old arse

No. 194194

>>194177
I actually have incest in my family. Siblings. It's not me thank the gods. I won't get into details. I'm only bringing this up because I think I get your point here in the sense that real life incest is very shameful to the family. It carries a huge stigma. If you think that incest is hot in fiction then yeah, you're probably an only child. Because it's not like it is in the animus where brother and sister are usually related via adoption anyway. I think that's a bit bizarre if you are actually raised as siblings related or not.

Real incest is usually formed from a very unhealthy relationship between family members. It's not some cutesy "I know Onii-chan is my brother but he's so kawaii desu sugoi!"

I have no real issue with people liking fictional incest. Like whatever you want as long as it doesn't involve children, animals or unwilling participants. I draw the line at that stuff. But just remember that the real thing is neither romantic or positive.

>>194187
I learned about where incest applies in anthropology. Some societies have certain situations where it is ok. But there are still taboos against certain relationships. I don't think there are many societies where everyone is game. The taboo exists because on a genetic level we sense that it's bad for our offspring. It's an inborn taboo to protect us from damaging our lineage and producing unhealthy offspring with lethal genetic traits. Even gorillas raised together who are not related usually won't mate. Because they will recognise themselves as siblings. That's why Koko and Michael never had a baby. Michael was introduced to Koko when he was only three. So it became a big sister/little brother relationship.

As for loli, I think maybe there's some use in it if it does keep the pedos from harming real children. Don't they have those real dolls that look like children? It's just that I worry about what could happen when fiction isn't enough to get it up anymore. I wouldn't be quite so iffy about loli and shota if it could be guaranteed that it provided an outlet for urges that would otherwise harm real life children. But it's impossible to guarantee. Some pedos just can't resist the real deal.

No. 194198

Nearly all footwear is designed wrong, and we're all retarded for wearing it.

When you step, your toes are supposed to spread quite a lot, but no male or female shoe allows it to the natural extent. This leads to deformed toes/feet, and unnecessary spinal/skeletal/muscular problems, which get worse as you grow older.

It's like a low key-version of foot-binding we're all culturally subjecting ourselves too.

It's nearly impossible to break out of this stupidity, because a) the there is no commercially available alternative for the masses, and b) even if you do craft/buy expensive alternatives, you're be ridiculed or considered a weirdo, and definitely won't be able to wear those at work.

It's a prime example, in my opinion, of how we're still stupid savages in the 21st century, following harmful practices because 'that's just how things are' without ever giving it a second thought.

No. 194208

>>194193
Different anon, but I share similar sentiments, and I very much plan to die before I ever set foot in a nursing home. Probably won't happen if family genetics are anything to go by, but still.

No. 194211

>>194194
Oh, for sure. It's definitely some sort of mental/genetic failure, to be brutally frank about it, to be sexually attracted to a close family member. I know that the cultures that do allow incestuous relationships tend only to allow cousins, rather than siblings or parent/child.

I've done a lot of research on paedophilia, including speaking to people who self-identify as paedophiles but have not abused children. I think there needs to be a strong distinction between the people who feel sexual attraction to children and the people who are morally deficit enough to sexually interact with children, because often these people are not one and the same. Sadly, loli/shota is never going to stop child abusers, because they aren't necessarily getting off on it being a child per se. It might help non-offending paedophiles though. But it's very hard to research, for understandable reasons.

No. 194214

>>194198
There's so much you could say this about. We continue to eat massive amounts of meat and synthetic food with no nutritional value that are slowly killing us (and the planet), we use illegal drugs that are chemically designed to fuck our bodies up, we have invented so many things that are rendering us useless. Like, humans really aren't all that clever.

No. 194216

I know it's quickly fading from taboo status, but I encourage people to abort and really don't care if some women use it as a "method of birth control." Well, it is. We are controlling the rates of birth. And?

Tons of women die every year from maternal conditions, and maybe even more since the cause of death is often mislabeled on many death certificates.
People do mental gymnastics to pretend pregnancy is safe and sacred when it fucking isn't. There are diseases and terrorist organizations that take less people per year.

Abortions are safe.
Unwanted babies are burdens.
Teen mothers are, by and large, fucking awful.
There are millions of unadopted babies and children who will never know parental love.

No. 194217

>>194216
I have a coworker who feels to the need to air her grievances about her pregnant, 17 year old daughter. She complains about it for multiple reasons, one of which being how "either way" (aborted or no), she has to pay for it. She has to put the baby up for adoption, not her daughter. She has to pay for the hospital visits, not her daughter.
So, I mentioned to her, she's not very far along, you could ummmm.. and I trailed off. She got the picture and said "oh no, I don't believe in that."

Really you stupid cunt? You don't want to pay 8 or 9 months of hospital care for your daughter, who you clearly raised to not give a shit about birth control, and you don't fucking give her birth control, although our work insurance covers it … but you also won't pay 5K for an abortion? And 5K is by Planned Parenthood standards, you can go to another family planning place in this area and get an abortion for probably 2K.

I get it, it seems really harsh to talk about it in terms of money, but you literally MADE A DECISION FOR YOUR DAUGHTER TO KEEP A BABY SHE DOESN'T WANT AND NOW YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT PUTTING IT UP FOR ADOPTION? BITCH. YOU STUPID BITCH.

I'm sorry, I'm all over the place. I had an abortion, I had full support from my mother, I fully regret having to go through the process, but I do not regret not having a child. My life would be changed beyond repair if that was the case.

Stupid cunt, I just am so sick of this stupid cunt. She should have been aborted. Her life would be better, her daughter's life would be better, they'd be given a second chance. But because of her magical rules towards life in general that she doesn't apply towards her own behavior, her daughter will have to carry this thing and then give it to the first person they find walking down the street.

Fuck that bitch. I will support abortion for as long as I live.

No. 194218

>>194216
Completely agree 100% its not even a baby yet its a bunch of matter.
>>194217
Sounds like ignorant white trash fuckibg dumb cunt

No. 194219

>>194217
>"oh no, I don't believe in that."

Lmao. I would've said abortion is real and she has every reason to believe it!
When shit gets bad enough then that bitch will be sorry. The smarter parents, who initially say they don't "believe in" abortions for their teenage daughters, quickly change their minds once they realize how much fucking work is in it for them.

My mom was a staunch Catholic, but when I confessed I was pregnant at 15 (statutory), suddenly abortion was the right thing to do because she personally would've been in the shit had I gone through with it. Our local reputation would've been bruised. Suddenly, certain Bible passages no longer applied. "Be fruitful and multiply" and having girls marry and birth was just some outdated shit some goat fucker said a long time ago.
After I had the abortion my mom switched back to "jesus wuvs u" but by then it was too late. I wised up. Educated myself about birth control and safe sex practices, and all the things I should have known about if my mom hadn't shunned sex for years. That's when I realized people only take advantage of religion when it suits their needs, and abortion and sex weren't wrong at all.

No. 194220

I will never admit this to anybody in real life and I know it sounds super edgy, but I genuinely think unintelligent people shouldn't have kids. Both obesity and stupidity should be taxed as well.

No. 194221

>>194220
>obesity being taxed
Only if we start covering gym memberships in insurance plans and tax junk food first. Just like we do with smokers.

No. 194222

>>194217
wtf, that's a steep cost for abortion.

And yeah, I love the 'it's so costly now'. Like a baby is not fucking going to cost 100 times that. That's not even rationnal.

No. 194223

>>194193
She's probably a "I hate kids" anon, so she almost certainly will end up alone in a nursing home unable to wipe her ass.

No. 194226

>>194220
Me too. I fully believe in eugenics and can't fathom why people think it's so important to ~*~pass down THEIR genes~*~ as if they're hot shit.

We've evolved far enough to get chemo and penicillin and boobjobs but forbid some trailer trash has her right to pop 8 kids taken from her

No. 194227

>>194222

Right? Is it different in other states, though? I had amazing insurance (at the time), and we still had to pay 2K out of pocket. That, in itself, is a bigger story, and is a reason why a lot of people don't get abortions, which is completely understandable. I was so lucky to be in a financial situation where it was a matter of just getting and doing it rather than having to race against the clock before it becomes a different kind of abortion or completely undoable. The state I live in has a few family planning centers, we are certainly not anti-abortion but we have an idiot governor. (Who doesn't?)

I just cringe. The place I work at has a lot of people making little money and are on some kind of welfare, whether it be disability, rent-paying programs or food stamps. This bitch is on two of the three, and her anti-abortion stance and obsession with how much a baby "costs" are probably going to be the determining factor in her picking up even more welfare.

I'm full on ranting now, but I'd like to mention this woman is white as hell and native to the state. And she, and all these other bozos I work with, want to complain about the Sudanese kid we work with because his drunk mother also saps off the state. They just don't like that he doesn't fully understand English, and has actual brain issues related to epilepsy and probably his drunk mother. Stupid people. Stupidity like that, from this bitch, is the reason my own political alignments with social programs came to be. Come to the whitest state in the world and watch all the drunk, ignorant, teenage-baby-having, pill-popping motherfuckers vote for people who hate the brown-skinned version of their own society. That's it. That's all it is.

Okay, I'm done now, I'm sorry.

No. 194228

>>194226
>can't fathom why people think it's so important to ~*~pass down THEIR genes~*~ as if they're hot shit

They're biologically programmed to act like that. Intellectuals don't always let biological urges dictate on how they behave if it's not rational. There's the difference.

>>194227
>This bitch is on two of the three, and her anti-abortion stance and obsession with how much a baby "costs" are probably going to be the determining factor in her picking up even more welfare.

Here's your answer anon. The bitch just wants another dependent, welfare baby. Lots of white trash bitches are just as guilty of it.

No. 194229

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I'm in a relationship with someone that went through incest. Let me tell you, it's not cute. I know it's none of my business with what consenting adults do with their lives, but after seeing how damaged both parties were, it fully changed my opinion on it. I had to deal with jealousy from the other party for years on end cuz I was with the person they loved it was crazy. And I know its my choice to be with this person but deep down I feel as if they wanted to be with me just to get out of that incestuous relationship.

No. 194230

>>194220
tbh I agree with you in some sense because I actually think humanity is doomed and intelligence will go down further down the road. On the other side society does need dumb idiots who are doing simple jobs like factory or construction work. I rather think there should be intelligence testing and only people above 110 or 120 should be allowed to vote on important matters regarding society and politics.

Ideocracy anyone?
It was constructed as a comedy but has become some kind of horror movie, especially with trump (who will be president next? Hulk Hogan?).

No. 194231

>>194220

I think that there is a different route towards a solution than that approach. I believe the slight sentiment behind it, in hoping that stupidity and obesity would decrease, but there is no way that will occur if we're just taxing citizens.

I'm talking specifically about the US now when I say the whole damned system needs upheaval. It's impossible to make people less stupid unless several different situational factors within a person's life can be altered. Sometimes a single factor alone is influential enough to encourage development of bad habits. This is slightly off topic, but our every day habits are literally ingrained into our brain. A specific pathway is created upon repetition of a certain habit for a certain period of time. Although you can create new pathways, you cannot erase them. I have no institutional knowledge of anything neurological, so I'm just speaking off of random articles I've read and a conversation with a therapist, but that one week you ate leftover halloween candy as a kid could determine whether or not that becomes an actual pathway that demands you eat that candy every day. Point is, poor decisions at any age for a somewhat short length of time can haunt you for the rest of your life. It makes things infinitely more difficult for people who start any kind of self destructive habit young.

I think we need to completely change how we approach the necessity of education. If you're poor, you most likely will deal with state education, and we probably have the worst standardized curriculum in the developed world.

I'm not obese or overweight, but I definitely have a sugar problem. That is definitely on me. I repeatedly make poor choices about how I spend money for food, spend money on other addictions, get cheap fast food instead of cheap regular food… I am a representation of the lack of responsibility. Although I think things need to happen on a higher level than taxing citizens, I believe health insurance companies are heralding the fight against lack of personal responsibility by using higher premiums on people who have pre-existing conditions, are obese, smoke, etc. That is, I suppose, one semi-reasonable solution that meets somewhere on the plane of punishment for obesity.

The problems do have solutions, but to see any real change it has to be ingrained into our systems rather than punishing people who have become a product of it.

No. 194234

>>194181
Being a nurse aide really made me hate the elderly but I understand I'll be old one day. I don't want the elderly to die off but I'd like it if I didn't have to be around them at all until I'm old myself.

No. 194235

>>194193
>>194223

>implying that your family wont do the same to you


Have you been to a nursing home? No one goes there and most of the patients have kids. Its hilarious you damn breeders think your precious crotch fruit are going to come to your aid when you get older. Especially given how Western societies are moving away from family structures like the East.

No. 194236

>>194235
This is true lol most of these people have kids who visit them only on holidays and sometimes not even that.

No. 194237

>>194211
> It might help non-offending paedophiles though.

My problem with this line of thought is that by having an 'acceptable' outlet, they never address the problem or don't even acknowledge it. I've seen so many people online who are into loli/shota and sincerely see no problem because 'it's not real'. It's certainly not normal to be sexually aroused by depictions of children though, and I worry that the normalisation of 2d paedophilic images discourages people who are attracted to children to not address it, because there are fucking communities of people who will tell them it's totally normal.

No. 194238

>>194227
Uh yes it is. I live in the best state in the USA (I think you can guess which one it rhymes with balifornia) and my abortion was 300$. And this was relatively recent

Red states are the fucking worst lol

Here's my taboo opinion: bomb the middle East and bomb the midwest /Bible belt/appalachians. Those people are stupid and will never learn. Fuck Republicans and libertarians

No. 194240

>>194217
Fuck stupid bitches like her. Like it's even about her beliefs anyway? It's her daughter who's pregnant, not her. Feel so sorry for that kid - I'm not sure which would be worse, staying in that family or ending up in the lottery that is the care system.

No. 194241

>>194235
>breeders
>crotchfruit
Hi, reddit

For the record, I don't have or want kids, I just think your bitterness is misplaced and you sound entirely too butthurt about something you know very little about.

No. 194243

>>194237
I completely understand your point, but this is why I said more research is needed. From the (very limited) research I've done, the paedophilic urge seems to appear organically as sexual development happens. The majority of the people I spoke to had never been subjected to abuse, or viewed inappropriate material young, or any of the things people might assume about a paedophile. It seems to be some sort of legit sexual orientation for some people, which means "addressing the problem" kind of isn't an option, the same way you couldn't train yourself out of your sexual orientation.

Like I'm not saying for one second paedophilia is normal and should be accepted, but in order to understand and deal with it you have to remove the emotion and look at the facts. Biologically we have a sex drive so that we can procreate - so anything that isn't being sexually attracted to an adult of the opposite sex to yourself is kind of a biological fuck-up. Obviously the difference between being gay and being a paedo is that being gay doesn't hurt anybody, whereas paedophilia without exception ruins lives. In that instance, I think an outlet that doesn't ruin lives would be the preferable route. I completely agree that Tumblr communities that encourage widespread normalisation and acceptance of every fucking thing, damaging or not, are a huge problem though. DD/LG is a disgusting example of that.

(Obviously this is only relevant for non-offenders. People who are abusing kids seriously have a fucking problem to address, and it would be resolved with a gunshot to the head.)

No. 194247

>>194228
Sure, but biology tells us to do all sorts of stuff and we stop ourselves from doing them because we're civilized. I don't see why reproducing should be any different

No. 194248

>>194238
Agreed, but also, I live far below the Bible belt (the weather in other states isn't agreeable to me, and it's pretty easy to ignore the conservative retards,) so no bomb pls. I'd live in Cali if your cost of living wasn't beyond sky high.

No. 194249

>>194243
Yeah I haven't studied anything about the biology behind even normal sex drives, so my post was just my own thoughts on the matter. I can understand the logic of helping non-offenders with their attraction by providing them with safer outlets but man oh man I don't like the thought of engaging that behaviour at all.

I've also though that with the content of the internet today, it's just so much easier for people to develop a paedophilic fetish through loli/shota whereas in an earlier time, when this material wouldn't be so easily available, they probably wouldn't have.

No. 194250

>>194159
My male relatives are really attractive but the thought of anything incesty just feels instinctively repulsive. I don't know what it would be like if I'd meet them for the first time not knowing we're related but that's just too theoretical and absurd. I've heard of genetic sexual attraction and it's creepy stuff. I've always wondered about twins too since they're often incredibly close and I'm sure there's often some sexual experimenting when they're kids. Hell, even among regular siblings there is. People just don't talk about it but I suspect it's common.

Any farmers willing to admit the embarrassing shit they've done with siblings as kids? I remember some stuff that now seems a bit weird.

No. 194251

>>194250
>I remember some stuff that now seems a bit weird.

Cmon anon you gotta get the ball rolling

No. 194254

Fathers often are really creepy with their daughters. I always felt like my dad was sort of checking me out. Just saying that feels fucked up as we have a normal relationship and all but still. And mothers diddling their sons a bit more than necessary when bathing them isn't unheard of either. I think it often just comes down to availability and if there's that kid around all the time, running around in their panties or what have you, sometimes the fancy just strikes. It's often made out to be this extremely uncommon thing but incestuous thoughts are probably pretty normal.

No. 194255

>>194251
Fuck, alright. I was maybe 8? My bro is a bit younger. We were on holiday and sleeping in the same bed. At that age I was already into masturbating. I don't know what I said but I just kind of got him to pull down his pants and got on top of him. That memory is weird as fuck and I sure as hell hope he doesn't remember.

Nothing happened but shit, that seems fucked up now. Also there were some undressing games with a cousing and my brother.

In hindsight I feel like I was a sexually fucked up kid and I initiated a lot of stuff with other kids. I don't even know what's normal for kids anymore but I was never molested or anything. It's just that child sexuality is a complete taboo in our society.

No. 194257

>>194249
I hear that. I don't like thinking about engaging that behaviour either, but there's plenty of behaviour going on in this world I'd rather not think about, haha! Tbh my motivation in understanding this is helping to reduce instances of child abuse, rather than feeling sorry for paedos.

I agree with that too. That argument has been made about many things that are becoming more visible today, largely thanks to the internet. There's even a recognised medical disorder now where people begin to show symptoms of illnesses they've found on the internet and have convinced themselves into. However I do believe that those "suggested paedos" are far far less likely to actually act on it - I think going from sanitised depictions of weirdly sexual children compared to real life kids would be a huge leap. Kind of like incels who threaten to rape women all the time but in reality are too scared to say hi to them. Totally get your point though!

No. 194258

>>194250
Sex drive kicked in when I was about 8, and I definitely displayed some really inappropriate behaviour to other kids as a kid.

Never anything to my sibling though. Was one time where we kissed (completely normal closed-mouth) for a few seconds too long. Quickly realised and pulled away, but felt like a fucking child molester for ages after, despite it being completely unintentional. However she did mention it numerous times over the next few years, so clearly she had noticed my discomfort. Ugh. Child sexuality just makes things that were normal and innocent 10 seconds ago super awkward and weird!

No. 194259

>>194251
I almost lost my virginity to my brother when I was 9. Like the other anon my sexual curiosity started to creep around during that age. He only managed to get the tip in(thank god).

No. 194260

>>194254
>I think it often just comes down to availability and if there's that kid around all the time, running around in their panties or what have you, sometimes the fancy just strikes.

Holy shit no. This is not normal, and I don't believe that it's common at all. No adult should have sexual thoughts when seeing a naked child, least of all a parent with their own child.

Your entire post comes across as really dismissive of incest. Have you had an experience that's made you think this way?

No. 194262

>>194257
You make a good point about the leap into reality, and the incel comparison is a good example.

And >helping to reduce instances of child abuse
That's a great reason to be so involved with understanding paedophilia, good luck with any future studies!

Also can I just say holy shit, from the OP I was fully expecting this thread to become a shit pile but it's somehow one of the most composed we have.

No. 194263

>>194259
and you were fine with it/wanted it? or why do you call that incest instead of sexual abuse? im confused.

No. 194264

>>194259
Anon, I have some questions:
Do you think your brother remembers?
Has it ever been brought up between you two?
Do you have any other siblings?
How often do you think about it?
How did it affect your relationship with him?

Only child so I'm really curious about these kind of situations…

No. 194266

>>194249

> it's just so much easier for people to develop a paedophilic fetish through loli/shota whereas in an earlier time, when this material wouldn't be so easily available, they probably wouldn't have


There's not really proof that this happens though, and not just for pedophilia and loli/shota. The media you consume can influence your perceptions and ideas, sure, but it has never been demonstrated that what you consume makes you do anything or causes you to develop a certain type of thinking pattern. Playing violent video games doesn't make kids go out and shoot up their school. Showing a straight guy nothing but gay porn doesn't turn him gay. Even real child porn wasn't outlawed because of a fear of it converting people, but rather so there wouldn't be a market that encouraged more abuse.

No. 194268

>>194266
I knew the video game + violence comparison would come up when I typed that lol

I didn't mean to imply that loli/shota content converts people into paedophiles, what I meant was that I feel like it's (slowly) changing paedophilia from what was a disorder into a more acceptable fetish because of the communities that form around it, and that THAT has potential to encourage actual paedophiles into accepting their disorder as normal.

No. 194270

>>194230
I disagree that construction and factory work are necessarily "simple jobs", plus I know intelligent types who just really like manual labor. That being said I get what you mean, it's hard to believe that some rando white trash climate change-denying lady is able to vote with the same voting power as the scientists trying to prove her wrong.

No. 194273

>>194266
There isn't scientific proof no. But other anon has a point about normalisation; it's not going to turn a completely non-paedo adult full-paedo, but there is a potentially huge group of adults who find teens attractive - that much is proven by porn. If they were part of a community that normalised attraction to even younger children, who knows how many would be influenced like that?

I don't think anyone (apart from hysterical 40 year olds) thinks that video games turn the average person into a killer - but there's a reason why a lot of people who do kill were obsessed with violent video games and the like. It allowed them to become immersed in a world that normalised how they felt. Same goes for this.

I do agree with you in essence that an image doesn't make someone a paedo, real or drawn, as is stated in my comments above. But, as this hasn't been researched, none of us can say how influential normalisation actually is.

No. 194277

>>194250
One time I "kissed" my older brother on the mouth when I was about 5 and he was around 7. I remember he was furious and told on me like what I'd done was absolutely reprehensible. He screamed for my mom and when she ran in the room and asked what was wrong he haughtily went, "She kissed me." I was actually trying to perform mouth-to-mouth resuscitation because he was playing dead as a joke, but I was too humiliated to explain myself.

Also when I was ~5 and my little brother was ~3, I poked his wiener because I thought it was funny looking and it made us both laugh. That's about as bad as it ever got. I was sexually abused before then so I'm shocked I never did anything weirder than that.

No. 194278

>>194262
Sexual attraction and sexuality is such a huge spectrum, and there's plenty of disgusting but essentially harmless behaviour out there. Saying all of this, there has been an alarming increase in child porn/child sex slavery, so maybe you're more correct with your points than we know. If only people would research it…! Thanks for the well wishes, hopefully with honest and rational discussion we can make a difference. :)

Haha I know right! I do love it when people can get together and not bitch/shitpost.

No. 194282

i think circumcision is disgusting. mutilating a baby's genitals is gross. it's been perpetuated by religion which is terrible in it's own right. the reason it was done in america was to stop boys from masturbating. they keep doing it here because of social pressures and lying by the medical community because it's easy money, every other country doesn't recommend it because it doesn't even prevent anything it's trying to. they even lie about how to deal with uncircumcised dicks to make circumcision inevitable. i think it should be banned for everyone. i have a lot of time with relationships because of how disgusting circumcised dicks are. why subject anyone to body modification like that without consent? it's sick.

No. 194288

>>194282
I'm American, just had a son whom I did not allow to be circumcised, and I think attitudes are changing towards it. Slowly, but surely. When my OB came in to ask if I wanted it done, after I told him no, all he said was, "okay, that's fine, I don't like doing them anyway." Yeah, I would imagine.

No. 194305

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>>194260
Oh my sweet summer child.

Research suggest only 10% of all child molesters (prepubescent children meaning below the age of around 14) are actual pedophiles.

Pedophilia is closely defined to only it primarily become sexually aroused by actual children.

Most of The child molesters are just degenerate fucks that take advantage of children when they are able to.

>"It is very important for the public to understand that most child molesters are not pedophiles," Finkelhor told me over the phone. "[Many people] have the impression, when you talk about someone being a pedophile, that they have a permanent and unalterable sexual interest in children and, therefore, they are going to be dangerous under any circumstances and under any form of management—and that's not true," he says, adding that pedophiles constitute a minority of those who sexually abuse children, or who are child molesters.

http://bfy.tw/CFKS

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>>194305
>only 10% of all child molesters are actual pedophiles

No. 194315

Morality doesn't exist. Imposing restrictions on other people on the basis of morality is just forcing other people to adopt your preferences. Ever single one of you here who said that "something was wrong" is a spooked moron. Prove me wrong, you can't.

No. 194316

>>194315
holy shit i just got whiplash from how violently and suddenly I was teleported to high school debates by this post

No. 194320

I hope humans never make it to living in space stations or on other planets, it doesn't seem fair that we're allowed to destroy Earth and then just pick up and go somewhere else

No. 194325

>>194305
lol what is this post

>>194307
Only 10% of murderers are actual killers!!!

No. 194326

>>194259
Ew that nasty

No. 194330

>>194315

Hahahha

No. 194331

>>194315
You know what does? Emotional/mental distress and abuse.

No. 194335

>>194282
absolutely 100% agree. If you did it to a female child you'd be sent to prison. Circumcision should only be done if medically necessary. Of course if someone chooses to do it as an adult, it's their deal. But how could a child honestly make that choice?

No. 194336

>>194305
I agree with this post. Many child abusers aren't actually paedophiles, or if they are then their sexual interest range does extend into normal adult ranges. The reason that they act on it is almost never motivated by a desire to "love children" (as per the definition of paedo-philia), it's a desire to hurt and control them. Anyone who actually loves kids could never ever do that to them, which is potentially why this number is so low.

In the group I spoke to, around half were "exclusive" (only interested in children) and around half said their range extended from actual child to adult (one specifided "ages 6-60").

I would disagree with defining paedos as being at least primarily interested in children though. What makes you say that? Do you not think that any interest in a child of 12 would make you a paedo, primary or otherwise?

No. 194337

>>194315
there is an edgelord in our midst. No, you're right, morality is created - people work out (at least subconsciously) that when certain behaviours overwhelmingly have negative consequences they should act to limit those behaviours in their society to prevent its collapse. So morality might be a fluid ideology created by each individual, but it still exists. No one else has my fingerprint, but it doesn't mean it isn't real. Prove me wrong.

No. 194338

>>194320
Agreed!

No. 194340

Immigrants who commit crimes should be send back to their shithole country immediately and everyone who touches children inappropriately should just be killed off

No. 194342

>>194336
Most pedophiles don't "love" kids, which is why hurtcore CP (and arguably, CP itself) exists. They're just attracted to them.
I also don't understand how a child molester is not a pedophile.
>"I know I diddled that kid, but I'm not actually even attracted to kids, officer. No sexual interest whatsoever. Scout's honor."

No. 194344

>>194342
Have you read any of the other comments on this thread about this topic? A lot of paedophiles actually do love kids, which is why they don't abuse them. There are a scary amount of non-offending paedophiles who work with children so that they can be around them in a neutral environment.

Because they're sexually aroused by hurting vulnerable individuals. Their behaviour, once they have molested a child, is paedophilic, but they aren't paedophiles per se. Just like you can engage in homosexual behaviour a few times in your life without being homosexual. Something like 97% of convicted child molesters were abused (physically/sexually/emotionally) as children, and the damage that causes seems to be way more likely to motivate them to abuse than an actual sexual desire for children.

But I will say, for the 4398674586th time, there's very little research available on this subject because the only people that society treats as paedophiles are convicted child abusers. There are potentially millions out there who never lay a finger on a kid, and it's them we actually need to study.

No. 194345

>>194342
Child molester can chose kids as targets because they are easy to threaten, easy to overpower and seen as less risky than abusing an adult.
Those predators are not interested by kids because they look like kids, they just want an easy prey. They can abuse just as much vulnerable adults (mentally retarded adults or runaway late teens for example).

No. 194346

>>194345
This comment, exactly.

>>194342
There is actually a documentary out there from a guy who is a non-offending paedophile, where he talks about how he wishes he could engage in a full romantic relationship with a child - build a home with them, get married, like you would as an adult.

In order to make CP, someone has to be willing to abuse kids. As has been mentioned in this thread, it's not usually actual paedophiles who are willing to do this - although I imagine sex tourism to the East will be changing this pretty rapidly, as it "removes" them from potential consequences.

All theoretical though. People seriously need to set their opinions and emotions on this aside so some real research can be done to help reduce child abuse.

No. 194360

>>194346
>a non-offending paedophile, where he talks about how he wishes he could engage in a full romantic relationship with a child - build a home with them, get married, like you would as an adult.

This is one of those things that I just don't get. I mean, they do realize that the child isn't going to stay a child forever don't they? How do they plan on having a romantic relationship with them when they grow up? In theory they wouldn't be attracted to them anymore.

No. 194365

>>194360
Well, you make the child have a child so you can then romance it. You get infinite children, Games of Thrones Craster's style.

No. 194368

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>>194320

I kind of agree. I think it's only fair to explore and "colonise" space when we fix the Earth first. Like a Rendevouz with Rama kinda scenario kek

>>194315
Holy shit, Onion made to this thread!

>>194282
Speaking of Onion, yeah, I 100% agree with this. Where I live is completely frowned upon, unless the (usually) child actually needs it. The only two dudes I know that have had it needed because of medical reasons. I can't understand how some people over the US are still arguing that cut dicks have benefits.

>>194250
Holy shit, you just brought back some memories from when I was like 5~7 and my older sisters (they are twins and 3 years older) were talking about kissing and kind of "made" (I don't know how to put it in to words, like they didn't pressure us, they just encouraged, but they were and are dumb as shit so I don't know if they knew what they were actually doing) me and my brother french kiss, of course we were just toddlers and didn't know what and how to do it, but just remembering it makes my neck hair crawl. Holy shit.

No. 194371

>>194320

Yeah, let's wait for sun to swallow us and die all together.

No. 194391

>>194288
as long as you educated yourself you should be fine. just don't get tricked there's no meducal reason for it that's present until afyer puberty. drs tried to trick me about my son.

No. 194396

>>194360
Oh for sure. It doesn't make any logical sense at all. But then none of it does - how could (or even why would) a child consent to, or even willingly desire, the monotony of adult life with a boring grown-up who wanted to touch them all the time? It's a catastrophically huge genetic failure, and must be a pretty miserable life.

No. 194397

I think people are too happy to assume certain things, or trust what they've been told. I'd rather be seen as a rambling conspiracy theorist who autistically stays on top of things and is constantly connecting dots (so they're never actually surprised when something really fucked up comes to light) than someone who just assumes they're not being lied to on a constant basis (so they have their entire world shattered when the truth comes out).
I came to this conclusion after reading this really fucked up article on Australia earlier today.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/10/the-nauru-files-2000-leaked-reports-reveal-scale-of-abuse-of-children-in-australian-offshore-detention
tl;dr: Asylum seekers who go to Australia for a better life are sent off to offshore detention centers that violate every human right. The Australian government literally covered this up, and it's (supposedly) illegal to speak about it. The only reason it came out is because someone from the inside leaked these files to The Guardian.
>The reports range from a guard allegedly grabbing a boy and threatening to kill him once he is living in the community to guards allegedly slapping children in the face. In September 2014 a teacher reported that a young classroom helper had requested a four-minute shower instead of a two-minute shower. “Her request has been accepted on condition of sexual favours. It is a male security person. She did not state if this has or hasn’t occurred. The security officer wants to view a boy or girl having a shower.”
Not even children are exempt from abusive treatment. If things like this can go on in the world and remain a secret in this "era" (2014-2017), is anything really off the table? It's why I don't joke about Pizzagate and only outright reject the stupidest of conspiracy theories (eg flat earth theory). We really don't know shit. It's scary.

No. 194408

>>194368
>>194335

our Drs here argue it. and the American Pediatric Association says it is a preventative method for cancer and possibly STDS and thar 'risks outweight benefits' but at the same time explain a complication is death and it shouldn't be performed unless absolutely necessary , while also getting pressure from the cancer society to take back the cancer prevention thing since there's no conclusive evidence. there's never been conclusive evidence of any of it. men can do it if they want (though most drs don't explain anything about the operation), any issues other than injury that would need to cut it happen -after- puberty, but drs either don't know how it works and think it needs to be removed in children for medical reasons or they pull it so it ends up needing to be removed. I know two people that happened to. my bf's mom got tricked into getting it done and one of my friends drs pulled it when it wasn't ready and it messed him up. The only medical thing is phimosis and that even is only usually cosmetic in most cases, and doesn't happen until puberty. women with clitoral phimosis have to wait until they're 18 to get it fixed, and even then no cutting is done, just stretching, we just lop that part off of little boys it's so fucked up.

No. 194413

Is it really taboo to be against circumcision though? It's not a common practice outside the US. I never even met anyone who had a cut penis

No. 194417

>>194408
I'm sorry but North America just sounds so fucking screwed up. If doctors here tried to make claims like that loads of organisations would be out in force MAKING them tell the truth.

>>194413
It's actually a pretty common practice in many places outside the US, thanks to religious/cultural practices: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

Interesting how evidence supposedly supports that circumcision reduces the chance of HIV infection. Wonder if that's the same for female circumcision?

No. 194418

>>194417
i heard that circumcision dries the mucous membrane so the virus is less likely to permeate, but it actually increases the chance of giving to a male or female partner if you have it already, since the dried membrane is harsh. as far as for females, you'd have to dry out the entire inner vagina to do the same thing it does to guys. the head of the penis and the foreskin are the only parts of it that are internal(which changes after circumcision) and really messes up those parts and how they interact with women's parts during sex.

No. 194419

>>194417
North America -is- fucking screwed up, especially medicine, we have fucking prescription drug brand commercials here. I used to work for an insurance company and doctors have suck messed up policies, alot of them get paid more just to make things seem worse than they are, or do things like do surgeries/prescribe medicine when it's not necessary rather than do nothing. We also have opioid problems because doctors just throw hard pain medicine at everyone and everything.

>>194413
People in the US get called crazy for being against circumcision, men get made fun of for being unhappy about it being forced onto them and people act like their child's penis is 100% their own decision, screaming and yelling at people who tell them the facts. No wonder we have so many angry male shooters here.

No. 194433

>>194419
>People in the US get called crazy for being against circumcision, men get made fun of for being unhappy about it being forced onto them and people act like their child's penis is 100% their own decision, screaming and yelling at people who tell them the facts. No wonder we have so many angry male shooters here.

All of this. My decision to not have my son circumcised was treated like absolute insanity by my mother. In her mind, and I'm sure many Americans, it was never a question.

No. 194446

>>194336
>I would disagree with defining paedos as being at least primarily interested in children though. What makes you say that? Do you not think that any interest in a child of 12 would make you a paedo, primary or otherwise?
What makes me say that is the official definition of pedophilia.
Im 10% Anon from above. The number can actually be higher depending on the study, but as far as I remember the majority was always non-pedophile.

Is molesting a child less atrocious if the person doing so is not a pedophile per se but just a selfish disturbed piece of shit and an excuse of a human being? I don't think so, quite the contrary.

You can disagre with an official definition but that doesn't make it less valid. Preference for older children from around 10-12 to 15 is called hebephilia btw, sexual preference to mid and late adolescents is called ephebophilia.

No. 194447

>>194340
10%-anon also agrees with this, especially the latter.

No. 194457

>>194159
i think incest is fucking disgusting and hate it, i dont like it in fictional media but at least with that i know it isnt real. i dont care about it in porn and pass it off as a weird fetish thing and just avoid it.

>>194181
i dont understand this thinking since there will always be more oxygen, its a cycle. and sure they dont really contribute anything anymore but they are just regular people living their lives

>>194216
im more pro-abortion than anything else. unwanted children should not exist in the first place, and abortion should be the very first thing suggested to women feeling unsure, there is also no point getting attached to it, the fetus has no personality. i also think if you know your child will be disabled you should abort it, what good is a life full of suffering?

>>194220
you cant control how smart people are, no matter what there will always be 'stupid people' even if societies intelligence as a whole was higher all that would happen is that what we consider intelligent now would just be considered average.
obesity isnt something that happens willingly so theres no point in trying to change that, and they dont really impact the world that much, so my opinion is the same as my old people one

>>194282
i am anti-circumcision and any type of unnecessary modification of young childrens bodies, such as piercing your babys ears, and modifying the genitalia of intersex babies

No. 194461

>>194457
It's not called pro abortion

No. 194464

>>194158
Eurofag here. I've always been accepting and a tad liberal but the recent attacks and the muslims attitude towards it is slowly making me racist. I'm tired of muslims putting the priority on how THEY're represented when people died. I'm tired of all the "moderate" muslims who still chime in and imply there's some conspiracy going on because "no one is too dumb to leave their ID behind". Tired of my colleague subtly trying to imply freedom of speech should be limited because it hurts their feefees. Tired of seeing them, as whole, post a ton of stuff and videos about Palestine and anti-racism stuff but never aknowledging the wrongdoings of their religion extremists.

Let me tell you, the muslim community is the most racist one and I think americans don't realize because they don't have huge communities like us. They have the biggest victim mentality ever for stuff that happened decades and decades ago. It's like if we went to Germany, failed something and blamed the nazis for doing us wrong in WW2.

No. 194474

>>194419
Wtf. Every single day I become more grateful that I wasn't born in the US. It just seems like such a mess of a society. No offence to any NA anons here!

>>194446
Okay, I'm asking you why you support that definition then. Would you not think that anyone who showed any sexual interest ever in a child is a paedophile? Or if it was just "one time" would you not think that? That position seems the direct opposite to your disbelief that child molesters don't have to be paedophiles.

I don't actually think I've ever said that not being a paedophile makes abusing kids less atrocious, because clearly that isn't true? Please quote the statement I made in which I said that. My only reason for making that point is that studying child abusers doesn't necessarily get us closer to understanding (and therefore attempting to treat) paedophilia. It would be like blaming cigarettes for every single case of cancer ever, and so only examining them in an attempt to stop it - you might get a few, but you definitely won't get most!

I'm completely aware of the different definitions as I've studied this. Most people don't know the difference, so I'm using a universally-recognised term for ease. Are you trying to sound condescending? Because there's really no need.

If anyone is actually interested: the recognised categories are actually 0-3, 4-7, 8-10, 11-14, and 15-19. The first 3 categories are generally collectively referred to as "paedophilia", although the first 2 are also referred to collectively as "infantophilia". The last 2 are "hebephilia" and "ephebephilia" respectively.

No. 194505

>>194457

I agree almost 100% with you.

BTW, I never understood the drama of miscarriages. Especially early ones, like one to two months. Like… Just make another baby? You never even met they in the first place, how can one become so attached to an idea? I don't know, I just roll my eyes when people cry about their early misscarriage on shows and stuff. I don't know if I am too heartless.

No. 194511

>>194505
As somebody who suffered an ectopic pregnancy, and resultant forced miscarriage, of a very much wanted baby at 4 weeks, I can assure you that it has very little to do with actually meeting someone.

You go through physical changes even at 4-8 weeks, especially in regards to your hormones, and you have to go through the physical process (and pain) of bleeding out knowing that you're losing the child you potentially could have had - which is magnified if you had been trying for ages to get pregnant, or really wanted the baby. It can even cause disassociative problems where you struggle to see your body as not being a "traitor", if you will, for not doing "what it's meant to do" and causing you so much unwanted physical pain and mental anguish. In my case, I ended up in hospital being pumped with painkillers because the zygote was expanding in my fallopian tube, then had to choose to abort my baby with Methotrexate in order to save my own life. I then bled heavily for 2 weeks straight, which meant putting my normal life on hold just so I could lay there and lose a child I really wanted. It was fucking shit.

Like, I don't think you're heartless, I just think you - like many others - have over-simplified a situation that is far from simple. I'm now 12 weeks pregnant, and I have battling anxiety all the way through because I've been terrified I will have to go through that all over again, in one way or another.

It's the people who get dram about chemical pregnancies that do me in. Like, you only knew because you're obsessively testing and the hormonal change in your body was there for less than a week? It's not even long enough to get symptoms or be classed as an actual miscarriage.

/sage for blogpost answer

No. 194512

>>194505
Also, I don't know if you know this, but babies have heartbeats at 6/7 weeks. If you've had a previous miscarriage, you get sent for scans every week as soon as you find out you're pregnant. So you might see your baby's heartbeat at 6 weeks, then lose it at 8. How could you not feel attached to a literal life you've seen growing in your belly (if it's a wanted pregnancy of course)? My love for my child isn't going to start when they're born, it's already begun.

No. 194534

>>194464
Another Eurofag and I completely agree with you. I was a feminist before all of this intersectional bullshit and I remember other feminists talking about how disgraceful places like Africa and Saudi Arabia were for FGM, a lack of education for young girls, for enforcing buquas/niqabs on women, spreading misinformation about sex ed, arranged marriages, breast ironing, not having enough female politicians etc. The general idea among groups I was a part of was that every culture (without exception) was opressive towards women in some way and religion was heavily keeping women down. The country I'm from is mainly Catholic and my feminist friends despised the Catholic church for their attrocities towards women and children.

Then at some point the Tumblr "intersectional" feminism became popular and a lot of groups I was a part of embraced the trendy change. I got in trouble with people I knew for years for saying that I didn't feel comfortable with trans women being in my bathrooms, that Islam is opressive towards women, that I don't see a problem with "cultural appropriation" as long as its respectful and not done out of mockery. Now some religions and cultures get a pass for having misogynistic customs while I'm supposed to direct my hate towards western customs and religions. I blame Americans for being really ignorant on world cultures, seeing them as ~exotic~ and religions for seeing them as untouchable, never to be questioned because gasp no you can't ask that, that's their RELIGION.

I befriended a lot of muslims while growing up who seemed really cool (although had strict parents but hey, so did I so I could relate) but as they grew older (and epsecially recently) became more and more radical. A surprising amount of my female muslim friends have been married off by their parents and whisked away to the Middle East. People who once were happy to answer questions about the Quran or practises now snap at people and call them ignorant. I noticed women who never wore the hijab before wearing it in response to recent events (which confuses me, I never wear a cross in solidarity with the priests when they molest children or with the nuns after they find murdered babies in a mass grave…why do terrorist attacks inspire pride in these people??). My old friends whinge about the "discrimination" they face and how racist white people are while never speaking out against terrorist attacks (or if they do it's just to say #notallmuslims).

The terror attacks in London and Paris recently have made me sick to my stomach. Also, the recent scandal of the Saudi Arabian football team ruining the minute of silence for the two Australian women (obviously because they're women but we can't say that because we can't generalise~) I want this scum out of my country. Terrorist sympathisers only inspire more terrorists so the mosques that they gather in should be shut down. To think a future terrorist could be happily attending a mosque near me enrages me. Ramadan should be fucking banned if this is how they celebrate. If this was a European custom that was considered "problematic" it would be shut down so fast.

Yes, I'm mad.

No. 194546

>>194534

As another Eurofag I compeltely agree with you, at first I was very strongly agreeing to help the people who need shelter, even with knowing the risks, but seeing consequences, made me change my mind. We can't help others at the expense of our own people.

I know not all muslims are like that, but the threat is real and in this case it's stupid to take risks…

No. 194550

>>194534
I can't fucking stand Islam, I can't even stand my own church but that trainwreck of a religion takes the cake. And we're openly encouraging it because
>condemning Islam only gives them propaganda fuel!
Yet they had no problem condemning another prominent terrorist group in the 70s, I'm sure you know who I'm talking about.

I don't even care if I sound racist anymore, I was born into a heavily segregated society and I'm not going to fucking stand for another religious piss up happening on top of it, those wankstains can't keep dragging out the muh colonialism/racism/Islamophobia card for much longer before the world gets fed up.

What's scaring me is how enthusiastic some people are about shutting down any opposing arguments solely on account of most conservative parties' political leaders being unedumacated ol thickos. Obviously I don't support them, but I don't think we should be letting those people walk all over us no matter what the yanks say.

No. 194551

"If Muslims kill you, you win"

- Justin Trudeau, The Current Year.

No. 194553

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>>194550
Being against immigration and Islam is probably the one thing I agree with Trump on.

No. 194559

>>194534
Sadly this is 100% how I feel. Recent SJW feminists direct all of their hate on any western establishment, and while honestly I'm neither for christianity involved in our country, it's possibly one of the least problematic religion in Europe.

Now they brand covered muslimas as the "true feminists" when those girls just enjoy the freedom of Europe. It's much more easier to start wearing a hijab when you know you won't be in any danger to take it off.
I'm tired of us bending backward to avoid looking like racists to our peers when it's obvious that some of their culture/religion is plain retarded and savage. Pixellating women's hair in magazines, censoring the mere sight of a woman in a advertisement or simply treating them like second class citizens. Not even talking about how they treat gays there, which is what baffles me the most about SJWs defending them.

No. 194560

>>194559
>Not even talking about how they treat gays there, which is what baffles me the most about SJWs defending them.

Post-modernism is a helluva drug. When you don't believe in objective reality or human reason as a legitimate method of determining truth, then just about anything is possible. I guess gays and women aren't as high in the victim hierarchy as muslims, and therefore are obliged to render sympathy to muslims lest they be labelled oppressors. All that stuff about throwing acid in the faces of women or throwing gays off buildings can just be hand-waved away so long as it makes people feel virtuous to do so.

No. 194563

Unfortunately I grew up in a "tourist town" in Michigan that was lived in by old people and young families. I used to think not giving money to the homeless was selfish.

My move to Washington opened my eyes when I saw someone give money to a homeless person and they waltzed right into the liquor store. My boyfriend doesn't care if they're on the highway but he won't give more than a couple bucks. People will shell out 10's, 20's, etc thinking a person who is homeless out here will NOT use their money for drugs and liquor but 90% of the time they do. The better thing to do is to offer nonperishable goods or walk with them to get food.
It's funny because there are alot more scammers out here who will claim they need to go over the bridge and have no gas money, parked in a grocery store parking lot, and then come back to you days later when you return to the store asking for more money for the bridge/gas toll. Also aloooottt of people will do it for shits and giggles knowing people will give up a ridiculous amount of money because of "hardship".

ALSO people don't talk about this and the fact that homeless shelters are the absolutely worst. They'll kick out people when they need the most help and have a very sexist system on maintaining heads in the facility.

Sorry its something that I think people are either embarassed to do/talk about or just ignore homeless people on purpose.

No. 194567

>>194563
Nah, I agree. I moved to the main capital of my country and will not even stop walking in the subway for someone asking for directions.
Outside of subway stations I'll answer that if it's old people or female only pairs.

No. 194568

>>194512
>I don't know if you know this, but babies have heartbeats at 6/7 weeks.

A heartbeat doesn't denote life. Maybe that's why people don't feel so bad pulling the plugs on mentally absentee vegetables.

I'd feel way more attached knowing I'd be losing a fetus with a fully developed brain and a capacity to feel pain. And way more distraught over a fetus in the second trimester compared to a zygote in the first.

No. 194569

>>194568
what is life?

No. 194571

>>194569
Brain activity and functioning organs to keep said brain alive. Without a brain, you are dead.

No. 194574

>>194571
This. Without a brain or normal brain functions, you are basically a shell with semi vital responses. It's worthless. >>194569

No. 194575

>>194553
Same. Look what happened to Europe, esp Germany and France. They fucked themselves over HARD with mass immigration. Islam is truly an evil belief that wants me (a gay woman..and women in general) dead or in chains. No fucking thank you.

No. 194603

>>194575

i'm an atheist from a muslim country and while i'm big on immigrant rights, i seriously don't want any heavily muslim types immigrating anywhere before all this shit gets sorted out. if they're not fucking ISIS supporters, they rarely deign to adapt to anywhere because being pushy and agressive and making everyone else accept your ideals by force is coded in the religion itself. islam is fucking terrible.

No. 194613

>>194568
I don't think I said that I only felt attached to my baby because I believed a heartbeat made it alive? I'm not one of those "it has cells therefore it's equal to a living human" pro-life twats. I'm just trying to explain, in my own experience: if it's a wanted child and you see it's heartbeat, an attachment forms. It's a biological necessity so that you will go through pregnancy and raise the next lot of humans.

And that's completely your deal, if you think that's how you'd feel (although until you've been there, you really don't know for sure). Like, maybe try reading what I said before you get edgelord about it.

No. 194618

>>194613
It wasn't an edgy reply, it was the truth. Your previous post made it seem like you were placing emphasis on a heartbeat as the reason why you thought something was alive ergo important to you. The 'biological necessity' is purely hormones.
Also way to assume nobody else who feels that way hasn't been pregnant before..

No. 194783

>>194211
>I think there needs to be a strong distinction between the people who feel sexual attraction to children and the people who are morally deficit enough to sexually interact with children, because often these people are not one and the same.
no lmao

No. 195561

>>194234
What was it about being a nurse aide that made you hate them? What do they do?

No. 195562

>>194254
Definitely agree with you on the creepy dad thing.

No. 195579

>>194457
I find that usually people who say 'disabled people's lives are full of suffering' don't know what the fuck they're talking about and have little to no experience of working with the disabled.

The disabled people I've worked with are some of the happiest, cheerful and emotionally complex people I've ever met. Yes ofc there are disabilities that cause tremendous pain and suffering, but there are thousands of disabilities that don't, and if you're talking about down's syndrome or disabilities like that, rarely is there much pain or 'suffering' involved.

Also there are tons of people with really severe depression and they 'suffer' tremendously, probably a lot more than many physically disabled people. Are you suggesting they be culled too? All humans have a survival instinct, so no, it's not normal to encourage or promote suicide or killing people, because it goes against basic human instinct.

There have been stories where people who have been molested have been provided with euthanasia. There was a dude who found out he was gay, but really didn't want to BE gay, so with his doctors help, he was approved for using legal euthanasia.

And don't forget Dignitas makes $10,000 from every person who chooses to use their clinics. It's all about money-making for them. Dignitas isn't helping people commit suicide to 'ease suffering', they're doing it to make money, it's as simple as that.

Also, I question if many people who choose euthanasia really do so out of their own free will, or if they have been pressured or guilt tripped by family/society into feeling like a burden.

No. 195603

>>195579
Despite working with people who have a disability I wouldn't want a child who had one.
I think they are a bunch of work and sure you can send them to group homes when they are old enough so they'll be more independent (if that's possible not everyone can live in certain group homes).
Some are really clingy and I would hate if that happens.

I don't think they should be aborted just because they have a disabillity though. If you don't have enough money or emotional support to do ot then fine.
But people who have a disabillity are still having a good life (of course not all of them).
Like srsly some people you will meet are the sweetest so I agree with you that people who say smth like that were probably never around them.
(Also they have jobs too so they contribute something to society and they are making jobs by having caretakers)

No. 195614

>>195579
my post is not judgemental of existing people, people who are already fat, old, disabled, stupid etc. all i think is 'well what can you do?'
i focus more on life that is yet to be brought into the world, things like autism, down syndrome and other harmless disabilities still make it hard on the person and the people around them, thats just the truth. my point is that i dont want unwanted children to exist (at least in first world countries where we have a choice) if you know having to cater to a special needs child will make you resent it abort it.

No. 195615

>>195614
Of course you're entitled to your opinion but I disagree. It's not as simple as saying 'just abort it'.
Some disabilities are not detectable in the womb. Some disabilities such as cerebral palsy, paralysis etc occur during birth or through accidents or trauma. And of course, more and more kids are getting cancer and leukaemia these days due to environmental factors. There are no guarantees when it comes to health. It's a very fragile thing.

I think a better alternative is 'if you don't want a disabled kid, you probably shouldn't have kids.' Because there are no guarantees in life that you will have a healthy child even if you use prenatal screening.

No. 195634

My taboo opinion is I think everyone should be adopting children as their first choice.
But I especially can't stand people that have an issue that they need to do in vitro fertilization or get a segregate.
Over-population being a thing and thousands of already existing unwanted children and you think your genes are that special that you need to pay thousands of dollars to go through medical procedures (which have high risk of failing) and/or have someone else carrying your baby anyway?
It looks so selfish and narcissistic.

No. 195636

>>195634
My taboo opinion is I think people who can't raise children shouldn't have them.
People don't have to raise the kids other people couldn't take care of. Their choice if they ruined their kid's life, not other people.

No. 195638

>>195636
Ofc I'm all for abortion. Like disused in this thread I would rather a dumb teen mom abort than giving her kid a shitty life.
But for those people who "don't believe in it" and end up putting their kid up for adoption.
And of course all the women in third world countries that end up having to give up their kid.

So then the people who are making a conscious to have kids, there's not really a good reason to not adopt and give those unwanted children a chance of a better life and love.

No. 195644

>>195634
They want a blood relative, simple. I hate the "there are millions of kids already so selfish" argument, it's stupid. I don't want someone else's kid, I want to raise my own. If I'm in a position to support a child, it doesn't make me less of a parent to choose to give birth.

Fuck off with that adoption > birth horseshit

No. 195657

My taboo opinion is that life is not sacred. I think we should just cull all the broken and messed up kids who are never going to be up for adoption and who are never going to have a real chance at a good life and just grow up used and abused by broken foster care systems and predators, and grow in to drug abusers and criminals.

No. 195661

>>195657
Or open orphanages again and cull anyone convicted of child abuse.

No. 195685

>>194216
I only support abortion because it kills more black and hispanic babies than it does white babies.

Demographically it results in an increase of white children.

No. 195687

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>>195685
anon pls

No. 195689

I've had an abortion. I support abortion 100%, and would support anybody going through the experience. But women who have never had to go through the experience need to STFU about how people who have had abortions really feel. Whenever I hear people go on about how "People with abortions don't even feel bad!" It reminds me of those super religious people that say all women who have had abortions regret it and want to kill themselves. I'm not a sobbing wreck in my daily life, but dammit, sometimes I just want to have a good cry about the whole situation. But if you ever try to shed some emotion on the subject, you hear the same thing. "It was just a clump of cells! What is there to even cry about?" TBH, I feel like some of the more militant feminist wished they could have had an abortion just so they could soak up the attention they get from their ~choice~ and one up their fellow women.

I also think people look past the fucking traumatic experience that an adoption can be for a woman. Everybody always talks about how shitty the childs life would be, or how hard it is to adopt for adoptive parents. But why does everybody not talk about how depressing it would be to carry your baby for 9 months, go through a hard birth, and then leaving the hospital empty handed? And then sure, that first year you get pictures when the baby is all cute, but slowly the parents get busy with their lives and if you are lucky you can an update once a year. The kid will never call you mom, will never know you as mom, and some other woman will get all those hug and kisses. And then you've got your whole family seeing you pregnant, knowing you are going to give it up, so your pregnancy can't even really be a happy thing or be celebrated like it would be if you were keeping the kid. And everybody just knows you gave up your kids. I could never go through all of that.

No. 195693

>>195689
TLDR: Being a slut has consequences.

When women get too much power they cheat on their husbands, cause >50% divorce rate, destroy the family structure, and murder their own babies.

Unless it was rape or some really serious birth-defect, I (and most of society) will never feel bad for a slut who makes bad sexual decisions, then gets pregnant and kills her kid.

You as a young female get to select almost whatever guy you want, but you don't fuck the nice guy, you decide to get pumped and dumped, then get pregnant and kill your kid.

A 14 year old girl can't consent to sex for the same reasons that a 25 year old woman can't consent to sex.

Women are too stupid and childish to control something like sexual selection, that's why historically the father decided who got to have her virginity. You're still "given away" by the father in marriage today, although it's a meaningless tradition now.

Enjoy the destruction of western civilization, largely caused by feminism. Allowing women to have political/social power was the single biggest mistake that caused the most harm to western civilization. Women themselves were happier living in a patriarchal society.

No. 195697

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No. 195699

I instantly judge overweight people depending on how they present themselves. If you are overweight and wearing badly fitted clothes or bad hair I will assume you to be a pathetic lazy person that hates yourself but that well presented fat people bravely made the choice to be #bodypositive and it doesn't reflect their personalities. It's classist and a double standard because I don't care about badly presented slim or chubby people but the pattern usually fits

>>195697
He fucked it. There was plenty of material in >>195689 to write a subtlety undermining post but instead of keeping his hate boner in his pants he went off a tangent at the red pill deep end

No. 195705

>>195644
>I don't want someone else's kid, I want my own
>even though there are thousands of kids for adoption
>it's what I want ME ME ME
>that's not selfish at all!!!

I mean, you're free to do whatever. Just don't say it's not selfish.

No. 195719

>>195661
Orphanages don't work if the kids already have severe trauma, mental and behavioral disorders, etc.

No. 195720

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>>195705
Ding ding ding. I'm sick of parents acting like such fucking martyrs when people have been mothers and fathers for the entirety of our species.

I don't deny that it's hard but you signed up for it, dudes. You're not some beacon of selflessness for doing something that most of the world already did/also does.

There are some amazing parents out there, of biological and adopted kids alike. It's the mombies and daddicts I can't stand.

No. 195722

I think I have a sightly transphobic view. I believe that I respect trans people, but I get irritated when it comes down to getting plastic surgery paid for. Now, reassignment surgery I can kind of understand, but when people get fundraisers and sometimes even insurance to pay for facial feminization and stuff like that it bothers me a little. In my opinion, being trans has things in common with having body dysmorphia. Both affected groups can't stand to be in their own bodies, and view their body differently from how others see it. Trans people excuse their plastic surgery by saying that their appearance causes them so much distress, to the point they're suicidal, but the same happens to people with body dysmorphia and no one gives them any handouts.

No. 195729

Adopted kids will grow up to have either FAS or some other issues 95% of the time because the mothers having them these days are young uneducated whores who drink/smoke/do drugs throughout the pregnancy and don't give a fuck.

Even if you luck out and end up with a healthy kid with no behavioural issues you still risk having them turn on you one day. Internet is full of pressed adopted kids with some kind of blood fetish who keep downplaying and are ungrateful for their adoptive parents and obsessing over their bio ones who didn't want them.

No. 195730

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>>195729
>samefag

And this shaming of people who don't want to adopt retarded and down syndrome kids - what the fuck?

If I wanted a pet I would adopt a pet, at least a dog want grow up to be a nasty old man who still drools, shits his pants on purpose when angry and can physically abuse me.

No. 195731

>>195705
> I don't want to eat someone's leftovers, I want to make my own meal
> I don't want to live with someone else, I want my own house
> I don't want to wear second hand clothes, I want to buy my own
> I don't want to take public transport, I want my ow car
> WooOw that's so selfish!!

Anon are you barren and jealous of those who can havr kids? Seriously though, we clearly disagree and neither of us will convince the other.

I think it's selfish to have or adopt a kid if you're not committed. I also think people who preach that happy couples raising their own children are selfish, couples whose only obligation to children that they have literally no connection to is coming fron YOUR own moral views, have no concept of what selfishness is.

No. 195733

I think chinas old one child policy should be enforced worldwide with certain minorities allowed to have 2 children to ensure genetic diversity for the future.

No. 195734

>>195733
Your ideal world wouldn't result in diversity. It would be the exact opposite.

It would take all the races, and all the cultures, and mix them together. They will all be brown muts, racial purity of all races would be destroyed.

Their cultures will be destroyed and replaced by the same capitalistic, consumerist, degenerate western culture that you worship.

White people would quickly become a minority, but I guess they still wouldn't be allowed to have to 2 children? You did say "certain" minorities.

You advocate for the genocide of all races and cultures, especially white people. As ironic as it is, you're anti-diversity. When you die and face judgment God will punish you, along with all the other feminists.(racebaiting and reddit spacing)

No. 195735

>>195734
Yes, I totally forgot Chinese people Andy culture is extinct now

No. 195736

>>195734
By "certain" races I really just meant races with a low population

No. 195737

>>195736
Globally white people are already a small minority.

On a worldwide scale, white people are now an oppressed minority. Non-white foreigners are flooding their land and out-breeding them. They face shrinking demographics in Europe, their native homeland. The feminist/liberal conditioning for white people to accept racial suicide and loss of homeland as a positive thing is an act of genocide.

>>195735
That is nonsensical in response to what I wrote. I assume you don't have the cognitive ability to read and understand my post.

No. 195738

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>>195731

I don't even like children, but comparing an orphan to leftovers? Sheesh.

No. 195739

>>195738
I should feel guilty for not wanting a kid whose own parents didn't want them?

No. 195740

>>195737
People won't meld into one giant culture just because there's less people.

No. 195741


No. 195742

>>195740
And if they did, it would take centuries

No. 195743

>>195731
>Comparing orphans to food
>Comparing orphans to pre-owned vehicles

Jesus, anon. Yeah, we can agree to disagree if you'd make a valid argument instead of spouting these non sequiturs.

No. 195746

>>195742
This is proof the female mind is comparable to a lesser animal. Niggers suffer from the same condition.

Extreme short-sightedness, inability to consider or care about long-term consequences.

"Who cares about pollution? That won't really matter for centuries".(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 195747

>>195746
It worked for China. It could work for the rest of the world.

No. 195748

>>195743
Don't be so sensitive. My point is, if it isn't selfish to want to make your own food when there's already food out there going to waste, why is it selfish to want to experience child birth, creating life with your partner, connecting with a human you both made?

If you want to adopt, go the fuck for it. I disagree with trying to label people who don't want to selfish, rather, the people who having kids with no intention of keeping them are truly selfish.

No. 195750

>>195746
I wouldn't say worrying about aspects of the future I'll be looking dead for is short-sighted. Let the future be a bland shade of brown for all I care.

No. 195751

>>195750
*looooong

Why the fuck do I even try using this site on my phone

No. 195754

>>195746
>talking about hurr females
>on a grill-only imageboard

funny how robots will REEEEE about anyone using female pronouns on their turf but will happily come here and act like the retarded attention whores they are

No. 195755

>>195748
You're still comparing orphans to food
Holy shit anon. You can say it's your biologic imperative to reproduce and you're not civilized enough not to give in to it. It's fine. Just fucking accept it's a selfish thing to do.

>b-but my food comparison!

If there was a way to easily get leftovers that weren't disgusting/past expiration date I'd happily eat nothing but leftovers.
If you really want to make that comparison, orphans are the not-disgusting sundae mc donald's threw away because they put the wrong ice cream and they can't give it away for free and are required to dispose of.

No. 195758

>>195755
>>195755
Curious to know if you think you're parents are selfish for having you?

I would label the people who don't eat the food they buy selfish, like people who have children they don't want are selfish. My comparison isn't to equate food to humans, it was to point out that it's not selfish of someone to want their own anything if they are capable and willing, just because the world already has them.

Selfishness comes from choosing to do something and then passing on the responsibility. Having a kid you don't have any intention of keeping. Making food you have no intention of eating. Clearly the comparison was badly done, but I'm coming off an 18 hour shift so I can't find it in me to give a shit.

Also
>You can say it's your biologic imperative to reproduce and you're not civilized enough not to give in to it. It's fine. Just fucking accept it's a selfish thing to do.

Shit, I also socialise and fuck as per my biologic imperative, how selfish of me.

No. 195760

>>195731
>"I don't want leftover children someone else didn't want."
Lol, even most barren women don't think this low about children. They're people too with feelings just like yours anon. They're not used clothes, or public transport.
Also 'selfishness' isn't to say something is entirely bad. One could argue I'm selfish because I use a gas powered car and live in an apartment and therefore I don't care about the environment because someone else bikes everywhere and lives in a biodegradable hut. Yes, I'm 'selfish' but it's not a crime and it's not uncommon.

Having your own kids to pass down your genetics IS selfish when there are others in need of love and support, but it's not a crime and understandable. You need to calm down.

No. 195761

>>195750
I honestly feel the same, I just don't give a shit about what the future will look like in terms of race. It's not short-sighted, if anything it's selfish, and I don't give a shit.

No. 195762

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>>195746
>"Who cares about pollution? That won't really matter for centuries".

Lmao we have that dumb fat fuck 45 trying to bring back the damn COAL industry, and you're trying to imply only brown people don't care about pollution and are short-sighted? Fuck you, the difference is us whiteys usually are motivated by greed, whereas brown people are just trying to get by with the resources they have. The former is the greater of the two evils because fatso the clown should know better but chooses to ignore it.

No. 195763

>>195762
>and you're trying to imply only brown people don't care about pollution and are short-sighted?

That's not what I said. It was just an example of similar logic. She was saying

"Who cares about white people dying? That won't really matter for centuries".

Any female who says this deserves to get thrown into a majority-black city on foot with no cell-phone or money. Like this girl: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2262958/Christina-Eilman-Chicago-pays-22-5-MILLION-woman-gang-raped-plummeted-seventh-story-window-police-failed-proper-care-her.html

TLDR: Cops let her out on foot in a black area of Chicago, got gang-raped by niggers, and jumped out a 7-story window to get away

Any white female promoting the death of the white race deserves to be exiled to chocolate city.

No. 195764

>>195763
She's right, it won't matter. And neither will you or your feelings about the white race because you will be dead. It will be up to future generations to decide what's important to them on this planet, and if the white race isn't, then so be it. The same with the phasing out of puritanical religion.

Prepare your ghost anus.

No. 195765

>>195763
tbh I agree with your sentiment on the white race but please get your misogynistic male ass out of here

>>195764
>It will be up to future generations to decide what's important to them
That doesn't make any sense desu
That's what generations prior probably thought too, and we are the future ones. We have a say on it


My taboo opinion is that eugenics is necessary and people shouldn't be allowed to just breed whenever they want with whoever they want

No. 195766

>>195764
>neither will you or your feelings about the white race because you will be dead

It already effects me, it has effected me since before I was born. It's a huge problem right now.

At the current rate, it will be really bad in just 30 years, white feminists wearing hijabs, and I'll probably still be alive.

>>195765
I love women.

No. 195770

>>195765
>That doesn't make any sense desu
Makes perfect sense, it's an uncomfortable truth.
>We have a say it on
Who's "we"?
Yeah, you and a vocal minority may think passing on whitey genes is important, but a large portion of our generation don't think so. That's the point, and we're not wrong just because you happen to value it more.

>>195766
>white feminists wearing hijabs
Very doubtful, fear monger.

No. 195771

>>195770
I didn't say you were wrong, just that I dislike it. And I said "we" as in the current generation has a say on it.

tbh the social justice bullshit is going so far I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with a second hitler in response to it, this one justified by all the white guilt nonsense and muslim assholes

No. 195778

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People Who Are Concerned Citizens

>feminists will wear hijabs

>children forced to suppress their gender expression
>cuck society
>black people out-breeding white people
>white genocide
>crimes against humanity = interracial breeding
>evil muslims taking over the world
>public stonings for being straight and white

I hate you stupid reactionaries drinking the kool-aid. I'm sure someone reply in a condescending fashion about how librul i am and how I'm dooming all women to sex slavery and uncircumcised dick and all our delicious white culture will be ravaged by african spices and halal meat

fuck you crazy nuts

No. 195780

>>195778
Thanks for pointing that out, would have never guessed you're a raging sand nigger liberal.

Have fun getting bombed then.

No. 195792

I think being gay is 'wrong' from a scientific veiwpoint, humans are attracted to those we as the best mate in order to reproduce with the best offspring, so its strange to feel attraction to someone of the same gender when you cant have kids with them. Of course theres more that plays into but its still interesting to me, it dosent bother me morally at all bc I dont really give a shit about science or what other people do with there lives. Ive also experienced attraction to the same gender so obviously im not a homophobe. I never bring it up bc I feel like its something that could very easily be twisted into a horrible thing to say if you worded it badly

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>>195780

you sound like a confused and wounded animal

No. 195827

>>195778
Not that I'm one of them but how is it close to taboo to voice your disgust of them?

No. 195833

>>195614
How much socialization do you currently get? Because I'm reading this and seeing myself when I was more or less a NEET cocoon.


>>194534
>which confuses me, I never wear a cross in solidarity with the priests when they molest children or with the nuns after they find murdered babies in a mass grave…why do terrorist attacks inspire pride in these people??
lmao are you seriously trying to spin it like that?

>Also, the recent scandal of the Saudi Arabian football team ruining the minute of silence for the two Australian women (obviously because they're women but we can't say that because we can't generalise~)

Flip the situation around and imagine how the parties would react if any arab muslims expected people from western countries to hold their equivalent of minute of silence for middle east drone casualties.

>>194464
>decades and decades ago
The rest of your post I can sympathize with but this makes me think you're retarded. Western countries have been continuously fucking shit up in the middle east since over a century ago to the very present. And do you seriously not know how so many of these people became radicalized in the most recent decade?

>>194575
>>194550
>Islam is truly an evil belief
>I can't fucking stand Islam
And there it is, "it's the religion's fault". Y'all are fucking stupid.



I shouldn't fault you guys for having a strong dislike of Muslims after experiencing dozens of terrorist attacks but seeing you guys attempt to justify and embed logic in your own ignorance and hatred here is hilarious and sad. If terrorist attacks ever happen near me and I come to hate muslims I hope that at least I'll know that my hatred is irrational.

>>195634
By now I'm thinking this thread is full of 15 year olds who have no idea how people and society work.

No. 195845

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>>195827

I think I'm becoming aware of how much time I spend on websites like lolcow, 4chan, and reddit. So many lolshitskin posts everywhere, and any attempt to voice solidarity with non-radical non-violent people is drowned out by people angrily pointing at the huge flood of terror attacks happening in Europe. I suppose my voicing of this criticism on this branch of the internet is considered taboo, because I am also sick of preaching the "understand the other side, come to a compromise" bullshit. I am not compromising with people who refer to other human beings as shitskins, and think that their condescending hatred of other people for not subscribing to their short-sighted beliefs is annoying and pathetic.

>>195833

Your last point resonates with me. It's hard to voice the opinion "not all muslims, not all people, not all etc." when you literally have carnage and run over bodies strewn across the news every day. But I still feel that way. The more that we look at these attacks and let it color our perception of an entire group of people, the worse it will be. No, we're not letting the terrorists win or whatever bullshit people spout when these kinds of tragedies happen, but we are subscribing to the same vein of hate they are. No, people who hate Muslims / Middle Eastern people aren't doing the equivalent of ISIS attacks, but the hateful ideology that allows you to dehumanize an entire society is what makes them alike.

Your fear and hate will ruin us. You stupid bastards. The worst part is, they do literally nothing to enhance the communities around them, but complain about how other people have ruined them. Go out there and fucking improve people's lives then - oh wait, you just want to sit around and complain about towelheads all day. You're so smart and cool. Please link me to more conservative wordpress blogs that prove me wrong. They're totally legit.

No. 195871

>>195833
Woah aren't you mature anon

No. 195872

>>194220
I actually completely agree. It is also about economics. A lot of our paycheck goes toward health care for people who choose to be unhealthy. If people started getting taxed when they reached a really high weight, it would force people to be healthier or take responsibility for their health choices. I also think your annual health exam should determine how much you pay for health care. If you got dealt a shit hand in the health department, that's one thing you can't help, but I am so sick of how people who choose to be unhealthy (whether it be weight or overdoing it with drugs/alcohol) just keep fucking their bodies up and take no responsibility for themselves.

I also agree you should have to pass a test in order to get a license to have kids, just like a car. And I think there should also either be a limit on how many kids you can have since overpopulation is such a big problem.

Extra edge: I think we should stop eating beef, pork, and chicken, since it would be better for 1. People, 2. The environment, 3. Our economics, and 4. Animal cruelty.

I'm not even vegan or straight edge but fuck, there needs to be some rules in place for people to be more responsible for themselves.

No. 195874

>>195872
>A lot of our paycheck goes toward health care for people who choose to be unhealthy.

Depends where you live. In the US this is not necessarily the case.
For those who are poor enough to need Medicaid and those who are old and need Medicare. Or if you were born unhealthy, you collect disability and SSI from the start. Other than that, no, not a god damn soul pays for anyone else's healthcare unbeknownst to them and it's wrong to be taxed for something nobody else is technically paying for.
I'll agree that we should tax overweight people the day health insurance plans cover gym memberships and subsidize healthy food. Kind of like we do with smokers and alcoholics who want to get better via patches, pills, and therapies.
We're not doing enough as a country to counteract obesity and obviously talk hasn't helped.

No. 195875

>>194563
I'm going to sound like a shit person but I think it giving money to homeless people should be illegal, mainly in big cities. I live in the same state as you and it just enables them. I know… a lot about the homeless, unfortunately, since some of my work involves them, and they take advantage of the system all the time. So many turn down housing, job, therapy, and education opportunities on purpose and just keep making terrible choices, fueling their addictions.

Extra shitty of me but I wish cities with a large homeless population would have them culled once a year, put on an island, and have to start their own civilization and hierarchies.

No. 195876

>>195874
Not disagreeing with you, but am I crazy or don't we pay a Medicaid tax on each paycheck? I'm now wondering if I confused myself. (I am in the US.)

Also am I nuts or doesn't SSI and disability come from federal funding, which citizens pay for? Forgive me for being a twat, from what I researched in the past I thought that was the case.

No. 195881

>>195872
Overpopulation, at least in the west, is not actually true. People in western countries have some of the lowest birthrates in the world, Germany and Italy were even lower than Japan a few years ago. Also, governments use low birth rates as an excuse to ship in millions of migrants. Westerners are actually being encouraged to stop having kids, and it's obviously working, because white people are the smallest demographic in the world.

Proof: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germanys-birthrate-hits-33-year-high-after-arrival-900000-refugees-aging-population-a7366016.html

Taboo opinion: I think there is a legitimate conspiracy to overrun the west with Muslims (I don't have anything against most Muslims, I just think their views are highly incompatible with the west, and they would be better in their own countries - which incidentally, the west won't seem to stop bombing) which leads me to another point - I think fake news and people like Kushner encourage Western leaders to bomb Syria, so that there will be more refugees/Muslims flooding into Europe, causing chaos and resentment.

I genuinely believe our leaders and media are shilling for a race war or even WW3, and are trying to make everyone poor, resentful and angry (They already achieved the former by crashing the economy, and Soros funding BLM and antifa has created plenty of resentment and racial tensions). And shipping in all these migrants is destabilising Europe.

I don't even care if people call me a tinfoil hat anymore tbh, to me the proof is phenomenal.

As someone pointed out, the event that 'solved' The Great Depression was WWII. Who's to say they don't want another war to 'solve' this economic depression.

No. 195882

>>195833
If religion is a system of personal believes, and those believes completely conflict with my personal believes, why is it irrational to hate that opposing religion? Especially with violent actions from that religion which is fuelled by their own hatred.

I'm not actually religious, i'd just like to understand your point more. As the year goes on, I am finding it harder to be tolerant.

No. 195884

>>195876
I was agreeing with you in those circumstances, I think you're right. But I've known a good chunk of fat people who don't receive welfare and have to pay for many things out of pocket.

No. 195886

>>195737
It's their own damn fault for being such guilt-ridden pussies lmao

No. 195900

>>194342
Rape is about power and control not sex, most of the time. Same goes for kiddy diddling i would imagine.

No. 195902

>>195872
You really think people should have higher taxes because they are fat? stfu. Most fat people have underlying mental health issues and the majority are poor. They don't need extra money taken away from them.

FYI truly healthy food costs a fuck of a lot more than cheap junk food. (Please don't go on about how cheap oats and beans are compared to meat. Fruits and vegetables are expensive.)

sage for off topic

No. 195903

>>194618
I don't think I did make it seem like that at all, I think I was just pointing out that if you wanted the pregnancy and saw a "sign of life" (a heartbeat in this instance) it would foster attachment. Hence me calling your comment edgy.

Okay, but you could say that about anything. Love is just hormones, fear is just hormones, but both are important feelings within humans that keep life going. Again, you're just doing the "all facts no feelings" thing, and if you have been pregnant yet still feel this way, that attitude probably is ample explanation as to why. So I will discontinue this conversation as we obviously see it differently :) good day to you!

No. 195904

>>195634
I want to adopt mainly because im terrified of pregnancy, but i've heard there actually arent that many kids up for adoption and the waiting lists are really long and there are super strict rules about who gets to adopt.

No. 195905

>>195603
I'm currently pregnant and if I found out my child had a serious disability whilst in the womb, me and my partner have agreed to abort it. I have a mental health problem, and believe I would struggle to be the parent a special needs child deserves. I know that many disabilities are not detectable in the womb though, so if they are born with one we will have to cross that bridge when we come to it.

>>195634
I would love to adopt, but due to mental health problem and history I wouldn't be allowed. Rules on fostering/adoption are pretty strict in the UK.

>>195722
I don't think expecting people to pay for their own transition is transphobic, I think it's reasonable. Some people get body dysmorphia because they hate being skinny so much, or having ethnic features or whatever. Most of them still have to pay for it, and I think that's right. It is a cosmetic procedure, at the end of the day.

No. 195914

>>195729
>>195730
That's why you have to kill the bastard orphans of degenerates.

No. 195916

>>195747
One child policy in China resulted in millions of incel men with no possibility to find a wife because there are literally not enough women to wife them. Now they just create a financial incentive for Han Chinese men to move to minority areas and breed them out.

Still, they get tremendously cucked though, because even in a man majority country they're too pussyslaved to not pay women upwards of millions of dollars just to pretend to be their girlfriend.

No. 195928

>>195903
>So I will discontinue this conversation as we obviously see it differently :)

It was nearly two weeks dead until you replied you dumb twat.

No. 195931

>>195739
And if the kid is orphaned because it's parents died?

>>I volunteered at an orphanage when I was younger and the kids were wonderful. They weren't defective or ugly or dumb. They just had shit circumstances or shit parents.

>>I don't care if you agree or not, but if you honestly think that abandoned, healthy children are "defective" or "leftovers" then let it be known that many of us believe YOU are defective.

No. 195932

>>195729
I think this tends to be an American issue. We have a terrible foster system and place too much emphasis on "mah heritage" and shit.

No. 195968

>>195916
Sons were preffered in china. Not so much in the west so this wouldn't likely happen

No. 195971

Women who do IVF and then upload attention whorey vlogs are the fucking worst, craziest broodmares ever. Especially the ones who show photos of the 'conception,' which are literally eggs being pummeled by sperm with needles, and plan out their own child's gender like little play things.

After so many attempts, infertile women shouldn't be allowed IVF, they need to be denied and go straight to adopting. It's a special waste that some of them do carry to term for awhile but wind up miscarrying very late because their fetuses are demented, and then they birth half-formed humans. And the worst part is so many of them always try to humble themselves and say fake shit like "Well after we have our own we're gonna totally adopt!" as if the biological child is more important to have first in order to satisfy their mothering instincts than an adopted child could accomplish. But it's not about actually caring for a child, it's about having their own mini me replicas to lord over and control.

I can't believe how much support they get. They're so fucking sick.

No. 195974

>>195722
I pride myself on being a tolerant person but around the time of the women's march I found myself getting really aggravated with the way some transwomen were acting, saying that "pussy power" and signs that had pictures of female reproductive organs were oppressive to them….its not all about YOU and you super special gender dysmorphia. Most of the people there were biologically female and ultimately shitty laws regarding abortion/birth control restriction hurt THEM, not you. Also, people like Gigi Gorgeous and Caitlyn Jenner frustrate me because it seems like they equate being female with wearing a ton of makeup and acting bitchy.

No. 195981

>>195971
I hate it when they call them their 'Miracle Babies'

No bitch, it'd be a miracle if you got pregnant from your SO jizzing in your infertile womb. Doctors literally putting it there for you or injecting you with the proper hormones isn't a miracle.

No. 195985

>>195685
Except most Hispanics don't get abortions. They are really religious about it

No. 195988

>>195928
lmfao or maybe you are just an angsty little bitch :') sorry m9

No. 195990

>>195974
I'm tolerant of people's right to live as individuals without harming others, but I fucking hate the trans movement. If you applied the way they act to any other form of identity and people would think you were fucking mental, but for some reason transgenders are quickly becoming more important than bio men/women in their own fucking spaces!! Completely valid point that, while I appreciate anyone as an ally in the fight for reproductive rights, censoring women in a fight that only affects women is not being supportive… it's being a sexist arrogant cunt, trans or not.

No. 196150

>>195990
Yes, thank you anon! I feel like trans people who act that way feel that any talk of things that relate to bio women are attacks against them, but of course they aren't! And reacting that way often makes for misogynistic reactions. Women, especially allies, do not want to silence or exclude trans women but it seems that trans women want to do that to us sometimes.

No. 196154

>>195988
God you sound twelve, nice emoji.

No. 196235

>>196150
One of the many reasons I've since ditched feminism. I was pretty into radical feminism rhetoric for a bit, but a horrid minority really put me off. And I couldn't stand liberal feminism because they've reduced biological women to "vagina/uterus havers" and try to silence us when we talk about FGM, menstruation, pregnancy/abortion, etc.

Also I'm sick of these lies that are perpetuated about "thousands" of trans people being murdered every year. Last year was a record high and it was fewer than 30. It's absolutely an issue–don't get me wrong. But why the shock value and the lies?

Thankfully my trans men friends are incredibly sane and calm and don't scream about being triggered if anyone near them talks about a period or a penis. I don't have any trans women friends, now that I think about it.

No. 196248

>>196235
>Thankfully my trans men friends are incredibly sane and calm and don't scream about being triggered
Because they were born and socialized women. Men are the ones who scream the loudest about being triggered by period and uteruses because they were socialized as men and learned they must be the center of attention wherever they go

That's why I tolerate even Tumblr fake/demiboys. Women may be birches and attention whores on an individual level, but we tend to be better as a class.

I still sympathize with radical feminism a lot, but the supposedly justified man hate is too much. On man-hating I prefer the Tumblr style because they don't pretend like their hate is Based On Real Studies like radfems do

No. 196258

>>195974
Hooooooooooooly shit, I remember when they were protesting about ABORTIONS and BC, that assigned male or whatever artist created something similar to what you described, I got so vexed.
Most protesters didn't even put anything on their signs related to fucking gender. It was all related to vaginas and shit.
All they truly care about is themselves.

No. 196259

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>>196258
I am so deeply embarrassed of my younger tumblr self because I went so hard for transwomen and defended them above every woman, I was the perfect sex posi trans inclusive queer pro bdsm libfem for years, I even reblogged those idiotic "clitoris is just a small penis" posts and went against all science and common sense for likes and reblogs.

I first started getting "terf" sent in my direction over a post where I shared how horrible I felt being bullied by boys for my leg hair (South European anon) and how the beauty industry with their out of touch fantasy of female body is responsible for so many girls developing issues with our bodies and health. Apparently it was transphobic~ and I should just "stop being a woman if I hate it so much".

Since then it has been a wild journey down a rabbit hole, finding out just how much and how deeply men who call themselves transwomen hate women and hate to hear us speak.

No. 196265

>>196259

wtf, i can choke the person who answered that question with my bare SJW hands. anon asker is 13 fucking years old, she's just a child and she's already trying to grasp something that's too complicated for her. the answer she gets is so holier-than-thou and accusatory. are these people actually smoking their tumblrs or something?

No. 196274

>>196259
What a joke. I never used to be transphobic, but seeing misogynistic woman hating trannies co-opting feminism and reclaiming it for themselves, while silencing and shouting down women with vaginas made me resentful, and is one of the reasons I don't fuck with feminism or care about trans issues anymore. This is also why so many cis women want nothing to do with feminism anymore. The problem with libfems is that they worship dick too much, especially when it's on a lady.

No. 196287

>>196274
Same anon, I still care about trans people being treated fairly and whatnot but I'm done with being policed by them about issues that are barely even their's. I kinda don't care about being called a TERF because that's probably what I am but oh the fuck well. I care about all women but my priority is with those that are actually affected by laws about reproductive health and whatnot.

No. 196292

>>196259
are you southern italian? i used to get endless shit for my arms/legs which led me to shave almost every day. now i just bleach those hairs. i know that struggle well, anon…

No. 196293

>>196274
>>196287
I agree with you both. Prioritizing trans women in feminism is prioritizing men in a movement that is supposed to be about WOMEN. Biological women. It triggers the fuck out of me seeing trans women say not to talk about having periods/children because it ~hurts their feelings. Like, shut the fuck up. You're not a real woman and you never will be and you have no right to speak over real ones.

I used to be such an advocate for them too. I'm done.

No. 196298

>>196293

I sympathize with your irritation. I'm a bio woman but I implore people to not let militant and insistent people ruin an ideology that more level headed people can reiterate. At the end of the day people just want representation and acceptance, and those who nitpick and police others, especially those in the little tumblr bubbles that are created, are a really poor example of who should be kept in mind while discussion trans rights.

Not reading those tumblr/reddit discussions or reading click bait articles help. Those are always more about sassily pandering to those who already believe it, rather than trying to honestly persuade with reason. They aren't thick academic textbooks, they just condense rushed conclusions from skimming them down into little sound bytes that become mantras for people who actually do little for their cause other than rant about it online. Don't let those nuts taint good causes. Don't feel defeated by it.

No. 196302

>>196274
My taboo opinion is I think pretty much all trans people are mentally ill. I don't think they are lesser or disgusting or anything, I just genuinely think they meed psychological help. Instead they are encouraged to pump hormones into their bodies, mutilate themselves and go on a futile plastic surgery filled quest, which I think is cruel and most will never be fully satisfied with themselves even after decades of surgery.

Also I don't think parents should be allowed to influence their children in becoming trans. I saw a video about a teenager who had been on hormones since childhood thanks to his parents, and he wanted to become female. Then when he went to the doctor to see about having a vagina made, the doctor told him the hormones had shrunk his penis too much and it was too short for them to make a vagina out of. And he was devastated. It makes me angry to see so many parents deliberately fucking up their kids lives.

No. 196305

>>196302
Don't they always spout the whole "hormone blockers effects are completely reversed if you stop taking them" ? How would his dick shrink unless they full of shit lol

No. 196309

>>196302
I agree. That is one reason why I genuinely can't understand why any feminist in their right mind can support this. I hear so many of them talk about unrealistic beauty standards for women, but the idea that a man could look like a woman at all is even more unrealistic. Like the average woman obviously isn't going to look anything like a supermodel, but there are so many simple things any woman can do to make herself look/feel more attractive. When it comes to these men, no matter how feminine a man naturally looks, how long he's been on hormones, and how many surgeries he has done, he will never fully look/sound/act like a woman.

No. 196310

What are your guyses opinions on assisted suicides?

I'm talking about the terminally ill kind and not the depressed "I want to die" kind.

In my opinion, I am for it 100%.
If a person is terminally ill or has a painful incurable condition (such as ALS), then they should in my opinion have an option to die with dignity. Especially when they know the road ahead will only lead to suffering until their eventual painful death. It is cruel in my opinion to keep someone alive to suffer just so that others(doctors specifically) can feel good about themselves when it's not about them at all.
It should be their choice to die as themselves. Doctors who oppose of assisted suicide are only doing so to line their pockets.
It can be very easy for them to be heartless and selfish when it's not happening to them.

What are your opinions on this subject?

No. 196311

>>196310
I support it. Why not, this world has way too many people anyway. But like if it was my family member or boyfriend, I sure as hell would be happy it is illegal. So I feel a bit hypocritical. I get that if they're gonna do it they are still going to do try but at least some attempts fail you know? I watched a documentary about a lady with tinnititus who killed herself legally in Sweden and she had 3 semi youngish kids iirc. It didn't seem right.

No. 196312

>>196311
Jesus I butchered that. * I get if they want to do it they're still going to try

No. 196314

>>196311
I don't want to come off as rude, I'm not judging you in any way, I just want to understand someone elses view on it, so I hope you don't take it the wrong way.

But I have some questions.
If they don't want to suffer, shouldn't you support their decision or try to understand and sympathize? Don't you think it's a little selfish to want to keep someone alive like that? Because in the end, it's not about your feelings, it's about their suffering. We put down animals so they won't suffer. Why can't it be the same for consensual humans?

No. 196316

>>196314
It is selfish. I 100% agree. And i feel like a hypocrite as well. But I think I could make a difference and help change their outlook. I'm not saying I'm God's gift to the world but I would get them help.

Honestly I think they should just go the jigsaw route. Does this person have any family and friends who would care if they die? No? Okay murder them. If not get them help. Idunno

This shit is probably why I got a C- in bioethics lol.

No. 196317

>>196315
I didn't know that. I take that back now, I am against it. Thank you for teaching me what's up

No. 196387

I actually hold the belief that most people on assistance are in fact lazy shits who are out for an easy income w/o having to contribute fair share. I've known too many (predominantly white), for my mind to be convinced otherwise. Their reasons are typically bullshit, and they only get the assistance they do because they pop out kids and are persistently loud about their unwillingness to work.

But I still am outspoken about cuts getting placed onto those programs for the poor because it's usually done by the politicians for the rich to make up for self-interests ie. tax cuts.

And if there's a group I hate more than lazy dumbpoors, it's richfags who are so fucking greedy that they can't bear to pay a fair share into the system when it won't bring down their quality of living whatsoever.

No. 196432

>>196387
People on assistance are such a drop in the bucket it does not matter as much as you think it does. The real money is at the top and you know it anon

No. 196433

>>196432
That's literally what the post said.

No. 196439

>>196433
That's why I said "and you know it"

Not every post has to be a contrarian reply

No. 196453

>>196432

How does something that make sup the majority of the government's spending count as "a drop in the bucket"?

No. 196459

>>196453
Cuz it doesn't even come close to the tax breaks on the 1% and huge bankers. They get away with a lot more. They get way more money but the gov doesn't advertise it lol.

No. 196462

>>196453
Tax breaks don't count as spending despite having almost identical effect.

Not just for the big thing, evil multinationals, either. If I form an LLC, give ten percent to a family member, and use it to pay for meals every time I go out, that's a tax break for every dollar. And the IRS is none the wiser for a long, long time.

No. 196467

>>196439
Mea culpa, I'm too used to people being contrarian here.

No. 196498

Potential parents should undergo strict testing to make sure that they're fit to have kids - not so much regarding intelligent or mental illness, but to make sure that the child won't grow up abused. It doesn't take much skill to have a kid, it does to raise someone properly and not break them for life. Although I do believe that this has nothing to do with mental illness or intelligence.

Capitalism is garbage.

Child rapists and child abusers are awful, pedophiles (non-offending) are not and deserve some sympathy because it's not something you choose.

No. 196503

I wish it was more socially acceptable that when a child has a complete meltdown you could ask the parents to leave.
More so when they just let it happen instead of stepping outside or actually doing something about it.

I want more child free zones, stores and restaurants where declining a child 12 and under is cool and you can't come under fire for doing so.

No. 196514

>>196503
I have a child, but I agree. More spaces for adults only would be amazing. My boyfriend and I probably get one break twice a year from my son, and I absolutely hate having to listen to a screaming toddler in a nice restaurant or movie theater when we finally get that alone time.

No. 196516

>>196514
Well, our son, anyway. He's the daddy, but we haven't gotten married yet. Just feel like I have to clarify.

No. 196520

Among my friends, thinking that mass immigration is a kind of bad idea, especially when you haven't planned it out past, 'let them come over'. Thinking that all cultures are okay, even the crackers, etc. My friends are all these weird, constantly self-flagellating angry white people and tbh I think they're embarrassing.

No. 196521

>>196498

virped plz go

No. 196525

I despise foodstamps. I understand that there are students and people with disabilities who use them properly but I've never seen a person IRL with SNAP that doesn't abuse it or waste it on garbage food and cigarettes. Once at work I overheard one of our customers saying that they couldn't wait until they turned eighteen because they'd get foodstamps/unemployment and be "all set" for life. I can't think of much else that has ever made me feel as much contempt or disappointment towards another person.

No. 196528

>>196520
I wholeheartedly agree, and I'm an immigrant. I come from a place where the average annual salary is €2400 (in the local currency, ofc), we're not in the EU, our diplomas aren't recognised anywhere else in Europe yet I somehow managed to emigrate, get a good education and settle down abroad legally. Getting my paperwork was damn difficult and cost me ungodly amounts of money, I actually worked hard and studied English + the local language for years before moving abroad, and getting into any school was super hard because I didn't have an IB diploma (expensive and unavailable in my home country) so my options were very limited.

To see someone just piss all over my effort and claim they have a right to stay in country X because muh children/they're gay/they're poor makes me so angry. I have lots of sympathy for refugees who end up in that country unwillingly, like victims of sex trafficking who manage to escape. But when you pass 20 perfectly safe countries on your way to your dream holiday destination, including my little shithole which continues to selflessly provide for refugees and build shelters despite the locals all but starving and gypsies leeching off the broken benefits system, you're obviously not going there because you're unsafe, you're going there for your own benefit.

No. 196533

I unironically learned more about the real world from Tumblr than I did from high school. Even "generalized", but important things like how to call 911 when you're in a room with an abusive/violent person and you don't want them to know you're calling for help, detecting the difference between a ruptured appendix and period cramps (the former can cause sepsis and kill you if left untreated), how to improve the security of your home by using longer screws in door frames, what dog foods to avoid if you don't want your pet "mysteriously" dying, how to get free therapy, how to do your own taxes, how to care for plants, etc.

No. 196536

>>196533
>difference between a ruptured appendix and cramps
You'd have to be a mouthbreathing idiot to not notice the difference. It's not something that needs teaching.
When you have appendicitis (aka it's infected but hasn't burst) you'll be in blinding pain and vomit your ass off. You can't even walk. When your appendix bursts it's that but worse. Trust me, you'll know.

No. 196537

>>196533
Same. Learned what gaslighting is too. They can be a bit reactionary but there's good advice

>>196525
I think it's funny all those people on food stamps vote Republican. And the term for it is welfare queens.

I am so glad hearing about old poor racist people dying because they got their medicaid slashed. It sucks that innocent people have to suffer but every time I see a news story about "I got my disability aid taken away and I regret voting for Trump" it's just sweet poetic justice.

No. 196538

>>196536
People have literally chalked up the pain that comes beforehand to severe cramps, and suffered having their appendix ruptured subsequently. It usually starts as an ache at the middle of the stomach, then travels to the lower right side. It worsens over time, especially when you cough.
Just because it never happened to you (or your pain got much worse over time, which may literally have been because it was initially ignored), doesn't mean it's the same for everybody else, anon.

No. 196542

>>196538
>it never happened to you
It has, and it took the doctors 4 months to finally do something about it, but it still feels nothing like cramps and doesn't even come from the same spot. That's precisely why I am saying this. Furthermore, if you experience that kind of pain in any situation, you go see a doctor, cramps or no cramps.

I don't need your lecturing me to know what it feels like, thanks.

No. 196544

>>196542
I meant the sort of pain previously described never happened to you, not that you never had your appendix ruptured, jfc. There's also
>(or your pain got much worse over time, which may literally have been because it was initially ignored)
but okay. Get your panties out of a knot.

No. 196551

>>196525

This 100%
old coworker told me his neighbor on food stamps would sell what he had left for drugs. Offered it to him many times.
Honestly I'm for people needing a drug test before getting welfare, food stamps or any of that shit.
I see the "poor people/drug users deserve food" post float around on Tumblr but it's more than that.

No. 196561

>>196551
I'm pretty sure they tried this in some counties and the results were abysmal. Only a tiny percentage tested positive for antrhinf.

No. 196562

>>196561
*anything.
My point being it was a huge waste of money.

No. 196571

>>196528
Bless you anon. Nobody is ENTITLED to live in their country of choice. I do believe we should help people be safe if they're in mortal danger but beggars can't be chosers, you don't get to pass through lesser rich european countries and still act like victims because you're denied residence in the UK.

Not all cultures are equal and open-minded. I also plan on immigrating to another country with very strict visa laws and I'm working very hard to conform to everything they want. I don't plan on making them bend backward for me once I get there even though I don't agree with a lot of things (mainly how much religion is present in the government)

No. 196611

>>196520
>>196528
>>196571

>>Not all cultures are equal and open-minded. I also plan on immigrating to another country with very strict visa laws and I'm working very hard to conform to everything they want. I don't plan on making them bend backward for me once I get there even though I don't agree with a lot of things (mainly how much religion is present in the government)


Where are you planning on immigrating anon? I'm guessing it's a Muslim-majority country?


I'm also planning to immigrate, and get annoyed that fakeugees are able to just skip/fly right over to a ridiculous amount of western countries with tons of assistance along the way (housing, food, and most importantly, people willing to hold their hands through everything). Personally, I think there should be more resources for people who wish to immigrate abroad…but that should include immigrants learning/accepting the local culture and language and being deported if they commit certain crimes (not like traffic violations lol but violent crime).

I'm from the U.S. and planning to immigrate to Southeast Asia. I know it's uncommon for people to want to immigrate OUT of the U.S., but the country is really falling behind rather than moving forward. With the current opiate crisis and white people slowly becoming a minority, I fear things will only get worse (to clarify, I don't care if white people are a majority or a minority but I think it will cause a lot of tension and conflict). I personally love most of the Mexican immigrants (legal or not), but we have a large number of illegal immigrants from places like Columbia and Venezuela running violent gangs or dealing drugs/trafficking young girls.

Where I am looking at, it's ridiculously difficult to gain permanent residency, and immigration is one of the primary reasons I am going to graduate school (got to get those points). With that said, these countries are much safer overall and the lack of safety in the U.S. is one of the primary reasons I'm leaving the country for good. I'm planning on going to graduate school TWICE if necessary in order to secure my spot abroad. It sure would be lovely if I could just skip on over though lol

No. 196624

>>196611
You must live in a bad area of the U.S. Godspeed anon hope it all works out for you

No. 196631

>>196624
I live in a wealthy area actually, but the development is very slow, buildings old and decrepit despite house prices going up. I've lived in other parts of the U.S., but am tired of crazy people screaming on the street/drug addicts/gangsters. There are apparently thousands of used needles that teams work on removing from the beaches. It wasn't like this when I was growing up. I mean, these issues existed, but it's gotten 5x worse and I've met a lot of people of all ages who are upset about how things are going. I've lived in poorer areas (and not even THAT poor) and literally 1/2 the people I knew became victims of crime (rape, violent crime, muggings, car theft etc). A lot of people claim that U.S. crime rates appear higher because more people report crime, but barely anyone I've met has reported what's happened to them.

Basically, I just want to move to a country with social norms where things are moving upward rather than downward. I've lived in "developing" countries before (moving to my 5th country in 2 months), but if you are in the upper-class (easy if you are an educated white person) life it is 100x better than being middle-class American. I don't drink, smoke, use drugs, party, etc. so hell, Kuala Lumpur and Singapore seem like good options even on a social level (plus the people I've known from these places are pretty "typical Asians" ie. like Korean dramas, weird blood type/health things, less jaded etc). I'd love to move to East Asia as well, but I'd rather live somewhere like a Muslim Asian country than here at this point. I know they have issues, but I'm more willing to accept "Asian" and non-Saudi "Muslim" issues than American ones.

Thank you very much for your warm message though anon. It's rare to see on anon boards, but I really appreciate it!

No. 196636

>>194198
Why not wear boots?

No. 196639


No. 196674

>>196631
I completely understand your sentiment on wanting to emigrate. As a second generation HK-Chinese American my mom thinks it's completely crazy for me to move abroad lol. I'm considering moving to Taiwan or Japan, but Malaysia or Thailand sounds nice too.

Like you, I'm from a upper-middle class/ wealthy area, but cost of living, crime and population density is rising. It makes me sick to hear about the traffic and injuries caused by car accidents from my friends that live in car-dependent areas like San Jose or the San Fernando Valley :(

No. 196675

>>196631
even Canada would be a step up. Germany? France?

tbh I feel like the american continent will sooner or later sink down as a crime hot spot in anarchy. At least I dont know where else the development would be leading to.
Just the stupidity of people over there. Just yesterday Ive read an article that a 3 year old suffocated because of a plastic bag their parent put on their head for treating lice with mayonaise. Another 1 year old had a small feather removed from their jaw, that they seemingly swallowed and got stuck and the body tried to reject it afterwards. Where I live people would never even think about leaving their child out of sight and even then the least dangerous things (like little things that can be swallowed, cords etc.) are all completely thrown out of the apartment before birth or safely packed away. This would not happen here, or at least not at this kind of rate.

And Im not even blaming US-Americans for being "stupid". Theyre mostly just uneducated twats because of the education system. I would never even want to live there. (because of that and because horror movies made me automatically associate the US with bad stuff happening)

No. 196677

>>196310
>>196639
tbh I think this subject is to big to discuss in another thread and would need it's own thread.
While saying that let me leave a short documentary about this issue. Ive watched it some time ago and think it's very good.

Imho terminally ill, with pain and no chance of ever getting better or healthy again should be able to leave in peace. We even euthanize our pets when their terminally ill and in pain. But not our loved ones?

Still there is a twist in this story. What about old people? Will old people just "want to die" because they have the possibility? Because they feel obliged to? Because they feel guilty when they dont do it? Even family members can sometimes "want" loved ones to finally die becaue they can bare it no longer.

And then what about disabled people? What about mentally ill?

No. 196681

>>196677
I remember this documentary. To be honest, the way this person was acting and dragged it out seemed so utterly cruel to their family. I completely agree with it being legal but I think in situations like these, there are clearly other issues going on that are not being treated correctly so it does feel inappropriate like this. The amount of pain the family looked like they were going through broke my heart. Ultimately, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their lives, but I think there should be a base layer of education and exposure to new things first, as opposed to the typical "Talk about your feelings and try some stabilizing drugs" thing. Maybe more programs that offer getting away and finding perspective, teaching something so people feel more accomplished or skilled, and have the opportunities to connect with others and feel some hope again.

sage for personal feels

No. 196683

>>196631
Are you a Muslim Asian then?

No. 196695

File: 1498666805004.jpg (47.98 KB, 564x405, neovagina lol what neovagina.j…)

>>196302
You're right, Blergh White posted pic related.

No. 196698

>>196695
Poor boy. Parents who claim putting kids on puberty blockers and giving them opposite sex hormones is ~totally reversible, no harm done~ should have their kids taken away.

No. 196709

>>196695
That seems abit odd since they could do a skin graft for the extra skin needed but hey, I'm no doctor on turning dicks into vagina despite having vaginoplasty myself.

No. 196710

>>196709
They turn the penis inside out in order to make the vaginal canal so I'm guessing a prepubescent penis is to small to create one. Gotta keep in mind that they have to constantly dilate their new vagina otherwise it'll close up on itself, like the wound it is. Having a neovagina that's already too small would probably make the process more painful and harder.

No. 196711

>>196710
Everything about that is really fucking gross

No. 196734

>>196710
I had the neovagina surgery, as I stated above. From my experience with doctors, using a skin graft to make the walls was also an option on top of using some of the intestinal track(which is exactly what I had done). They could use the penis and graft/intestines to make up for lost length but it doesn't seem like alot of doctors are very knowledgeable especially since each person differs from the next with what they can accomplish. I'm just giving my 2 cents since I've had the surgery done(not penile neovagina though).

No. 196757

>>196677
Honestly I don't see how peacefully terminating one person's life is any different than leaving them in palliative care with only morphine and starving them to death or waiting til they die of their sickness.

My grandpa died of Lou Gherig disease and not only it broke his spirit (he was a very handy man and his passion was tending to his plot of farm), his medication turned the sweetest man into an horrible person (saying horrible stuff like we should die instead of him lel) but in his last days he looked like a fucking mummy and all we could do was be besides his bed and wait for his death while he was wailing in pain.

At one point he lost the ability to talk or move anything at all so how is this even a qualifier of human life ? Imo it should be treated like abortions, don't do it if it doesn't align with your ethics/religion but let people take their own life peacefully and in dignity.

No. 196761

>>196734
So you had a birth defect or something? Sorry, just curious since you mentioned it wasn't an mtf surgery.

No. 203179

>taboo thread turns into yet another un-PC opinions thread
I think cats should be fucking culled. That's what one would call taboo.

No. 203180

>>203179
yeah these threads don't usually really work, this website and others. not as bad as when i saw a reddit thread that was like "what's the one secret you can't tell anyon e that would ruin your life if anyone found out!!!" and almost every single story, the poster was the victim or even the hero and found some bizarre humblebrag way to claim it has to be a secret. I mean I'm glad if people honestly don't have really fucked up secrets or taboos i guess, but these threads aren't a good way to find out what people are truly hiding or afraid to talk about.

No. 203181

>>203180
(by saying they don't fucked up secrets i mean they themselves haven't done anything fucked up, not saying being a victim of something fucked up isn't fucked up)

No. 203182

This is kinda odd and a bit crazy BUT I am 18 and am going to my first gynecologist visit tuesday



but something about most gynecologists to me seem a bit…. off? and it just seems the fact that everyones shoves down your throat "go to the gyno go to the gyno go to the gyno" especially when people make a big deal about going to one for a check up, I just don't see the point to going to one for a check up unless you actually do need help
same with pediatricians, I feel like a lot of people who become pediatricians are pedophiles sine just about every woman I known on and off the internet has had a bad experience with their pediatrician

No. 203184

>>203182
it's just because there's so many gynaelogical problems that can be dangerous or very unpleasant that go unnoticed or undiagnosed until you go to the gyno. PCOS, endo, bartholins gland cysts, all kinds of reproductive, fertility, hormonal issues. It's possible that you'll go and there will be nothing worth noting and it'll be a waste of time but most of the time it isn't. For my entire teens I thought I hated penetrative sex and thought maybe I wasn't really bi and actually a lesbian despite being attracted to men as well. went to a gyno. bartholins gland cyst had been making penetration painful. and now i love banging dudes lmao.

No. 203185

>>203184
I'd rather die from pussy cancer than to have a random person touch my boobs and stick their finger in me

No. 203189

>>203182
I've got my first gyno visit at 23. I wasn't really active sexually, started sex at 17 and wasn't encountering any problems. If you don't need a check up, you don't need it.

No. 203190

>>203189
do you only go if youre sexually active? I never really kissed a guy before so idk

No. 203191

>>203190
no. there are many long or short term issues you can have that could be important to have diagnosed before having any sexual experience with another human.

No. 203192

>>203189
that's fine but how could you don't know nothings wrong until you go. i'm not trying to be a gyno shill but gyno problems are so awful and many can go seriously unnoticed until its too late so i think it's important to go at least once if you can manage it.

No. 203199

Gonna link myself into the convo:
i went the gyno 2 years ago for the first time at 20, told her that i'm a virgin, and although it did hurt a bit it was bearable (not to make the first anon scared, all of my friends said they had no trouble at all!)

When i went last year i was pretty relaxed but than it hurt so much that i nearly screamed and tried to get off the chair and afterwards i felt the constant need to pee and bled continuesly… this year it was still very painful, but at least it didn't cause me bleeding, but obviously i'm very scared (she already had such a strange look on her face when i said that i haven't had sex yet; maybe she simply hates me)

No. 203203

>>203199
Maybe the psychotic bitch popped your cherry

No. 203258

>>203185
t. literal retard

No. 203264

>>196503
>>196514
It pisses me right off that I can't even go to a bar without seeing a parent and their child there. Every time. Parents dragging their kids there at night and giving them the iPad to distract them from the degeneracy. Fucking why are you exposing them to a night life at like 9yrs old?

No. 203275

>>203264
yeah fuck i hate that. even if it's a ~family friendly taproom~ it gives me a headache knowing they're there when i'm drinking. if i get loud and sloppy i don't want to worry about kids seeing on top of the default embarrassment



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