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No.
Was there even anything about cyberbullying on this show? It was all real life stuff, with some revenge porn undertones.

HAHAHAHAHA

No. Why would some trash show about a whiny bitch killing herself and blaming the mean booooleeeez. The hamfisted attempts at putting mental illness in the media has just led to shit like this. It's an embarrassment.

Is this that 13 Reasons or whatever? Is it as garbage as I hear?

>>190607
It's not awful or anything but it's handled really badly. It kind of glorifies suicide, so I couldn't stand watching it personally.

>>190607
wasn't too bad overall
was bored at first but got immersed around halfway

People were telling me it was going to make me cry and stuff. All I could do was hate the girl. She's just such a twat. I really try to empathize but every move she makes is utterly dumb. Not even talking about putting her suffering on everyone around her. I think the only thing I got from that was :'don't go in the jacuzzi of the guy you fucking saw raping your passed out friend and were too cowardly to denounce'.
What a message.

why is this show so tryhard? the high schooler didnt know what a boombox was called? hes not that young. sheltered maybe. and why do they keep repeating that cassette tapes are old? we get it, once was enough. they werent around THAT long ago

also lol at "interwebz". jesus what the fuck

>>190643
This. I wanted to feel bad for the girl but the constant stupid choices and putting innocent people through hell in her sick little revenge game just made me incredibly mad. The main dude's constant whiteknighting for dead girl also got really fucking irritating.

>>190656
alright im sorry for sperging out but who wrote this? the main character laughed at two characters twice for using star wars references and called them nerds but then a few eps later she says "welcome to the dark side" which is a star wars reference. bitch!!!

also CLAY doesnt know what the boombox is and thinks cassettes are old but knows who the sex pistols are? thats about 20 years older! im gone. did anyone else catch this shit while watching? little things like that irk me. also im pretty sure in the first ep, hannah mentioned on the tape she wasnt going to name anyone but goes on to name everyone before the tapes start. what???

>>190665
This is the guy who wrote the book. Looks like he belongs in the incel thread.

>>190592
No, because I'm not in middle school.

>>190643
Yeah I agree. It was like watching Bella Swan cry about how everyone was obsessed with her, but this time she was dead.

They should have also not set this in 2017 and in such a nice, modern school district. There's no way those faculty members would have been so out of touch in the current year.

Everyone is complaining about the lead girl getting revenge. Tbh that didn't bother me in the slightest because all the characters deserved it. What does bother me is that it's teaching teens that suicide is a way at getting back at bullies (which, it isn't. If they bullied you in life, they're going to bully you after you die also. Something similar happened when I was in school).

I really wanted to like this show but I couldn't make it past the first few episodes. While I do think it's a pretty accurate representation of the shit kids go through at that age and how it can cause a mental breakdown, it just seems so OTT and tryhard for some reason? Also her life seemed pretty idyllic compared to what I went through in school, at least she had friends and people to talk to? Like I imagine a group of middle-aged men in suits sitting in a meeting room and coming up with the storyline by guessing what's hip and cool with the kidzzzz.

I probably would have loved it back when I was 14 and suffering from depression myself but maybe that's a sign that I'm not the target audience.


Also, no it hasn't made me reconsider anything I currently do because thankfully I'm not a rapist or someone who goes out of my way to leave someone out.

>>190673
>What does bother me is that it's teaching teens that suicide is a way at getting back at bullies

That's what bothered me most as well. But I don't think all the characters deserved it so it's even shittier.

I don't think it matters whether her reasons were good enough or anything though. Even if that's literally the name of the show, people kill themselves for pettier reasons than that so it's not unrealistic at all.

No and the writing for that show is the worst and corniest I have ever witnessed

Netflix keeps recommending me this shit. No, thank you. From what I've gathered it seems like a corny, possibly oversimplistic failed attempt at portrying depression and bullying.

The fact that a great portion of the most moronic people I know are loving it just makes things worse. I really hope it dies soon, but I doubt it.

>>190678

Oh yeah, forgot to answer OPs question:
>>Has anyone else here become more careful about what you say online after watching this?

no, first because I've never watched the show, kek.
I personally don't even comment that much in /snow/ and /pt/, anyway. And I'd never try to reach out to these people just to make their lives miserable, especially in public.
I used to think that having a chan to gossip about lolcows was pretty mean a couple years ago, but the thing is that said cows put themselves out there because THEY want to. People just discuss what they are showing online. Once you're 18 and decide to post stuff to the public, there's no going back. People can save stuff and judge you, just like people on the street judge you everyday. Unless a person is posting stuff only to friends and people they know IRL and some psycho posts it for others, or if they're talking privately to someone and their pics and chats leak… then I see no reason why being a "meanie" is bad. If it's revenge porn or someone is talking shit about someone who doesn't make a cow out of themselves out there, then yeah – I'd feel bad, that's low.

The "worst" things I've done were saying a girl was ugly and that someone had a mustache anyway…kek.

Whew, I didn't know I was going to rant…..

Nothing about the show was remotely believable. I appreciate it for what it is–a 'creative' fictional narrative about someone's suicide, and that's all. I was expecting some watered-down, borderline saccharine depiction of a high schooler coping with her feelings in bad ways. That's what I got.
Hannah Baker's character is every above average, white girl living in a middle class home with married parents whose tragic backstory is a sexual assault–and maybe not fitting in with some people at her giant school with tons of different people and all the opportunities.
Nothing in her tapes felt like a genuine buildup of reasons to suicide. NOT BECAUSE I believe her reasons weren't "good enough," but because she had a functional support system and multiple ways out.

I loathe how Hannah makes a lot of stupid and out-of-character decisions, but then spins the consequences like it was everyone else's fault hence the revenge suicide. To a suicidal person like Hannah everything seems justified; that's because she's sick and not thinking straight. It should be the show's job to highlight when Hannah is actually being the unreasonable one though.
That's how mental illnesses actually work.
That's how people work.
Nobody is 100% innocent, especially when mentally ill.
There are so many hamfisted moments and devices that only serve to advance the plot and don't address the meat of suicide at all. The show barely brushes on suicide and depression being the result of a mental illness, and not a result of bad environmental circumstances only.

A really bad plot device example is Bryce Walker. I'm not sure who's responsible for it, the producers or whomever, but at the very first episode this character was coded for designated villain. See, the goal was to make Bryce an outwardly irredeemable douche before Hannah's hot tub rape. To name a few really unbelievable plot points:
>Bryce is the one who shared Hannah's raunchy pics from Justin's phone.
Nobody buys this bullshit. Highschool boys don't keep sexually charged pictures of girls on their phones just to "keep to themselves." Regardless, it's still Justin's fault for losing control over his phone and not securing (or deleting) those pictures.
Would you believe a "friend" who told you that sensitive info/pics of you got leaked from their phone and their excuse is someone else did it from their device? Pure bullshit. I've seen kids beat asses for taking the other's phone without permission.
>Hannah watched Jessica get raped by Bryce and saying nothing
This is the worst flaw of the show.
This is the point where I stopped feeling empathy for Hannah when this made it obvious she'd rather put her fear of bad reputations before the wellbeing of a person she knew. There was no reason to not step up. It was completely out of her character to boot.
Ironic how the message of this show was "reaching out" yet Hannah didn't do that for others and hid behind some bullshit excuse like fear (as if that's an acceptable reason for her but not for her peers who did similar things under the same logic).

Either way, those instances were concocted to set Bryce up as the rapist by the hot tub scene. If neither of these things had occurred before, the audience could've made assumptions not entirely in favor of Hannah–and we can't have that about a dead fictional girl, can we? As in, why would Hannah randomly show up at Bryce's house? Why would Hannah get in a tub with Bryce? Maybe Bryce was genuinely drunk and made an awful decision under the influence?
But nope, the show made sure Bryce didn't have an alibi for redemption. I hate forced villain type of shit, especially when there's no reason for it to continue.

Also, I saw no need for trigger warnings, huge copypaste messages on fb warning about the show, and others. In hindsight, it just feels like a lot of artificially generated media hype for Netflix to sell their original series.
>Has anyone else here become more careful about what you say online after watching this?
No.
I'm liberal in many ways, but I'm of the camp that says people need to be more responsible for their emotions. Gossip on an anonymous forum isn't bullying.

This thread finally motivated me to force myself to watch it and so far it's really boring. I'm avoiding spoilers but if it keeps going this slow I'm going to have to peak. Also whoever did the sound design should take a pay cut. Or maybe it's just that the actors are shit. I already dislike Hannah after one episode and they sure are taking their time developing the main kid. I have a feeling by the end the main take away will be "Well, let's not act like Hannah because Hannah is a twat".

The only reason I would watch this is because I read the book it was based off of, like, 5 years ago I think? I cried when reading the book, but I don't know if the show will make me cry like it did because, like other anons have said, it seems corny from snippets and such that I've seen… that, and I literally remember nothing about it other than a girl making some string of cassette tapes saying why she committed suicide and how they're supposed to be passed in order to those she mentions?

I read a summary of each episode because fuck watching this shit.

Yes most of these people are assholes but i don't think her friend was. I feel bad for the friend because she didn't know but this dumb bitch had to do a shitty revenge plot. I mean the friend was even raped but the main girl didn't do anything. The only person who deserves to feel such guilt is are rapists

Like why didn't she just do it the old fashioned way and get in a few fist fights? Are children today actually like this?

As for the actual question, no because I rarely say anything mean on the boards and if you know you are on lolcow why would you even read what people say about you? I am pretty sure the majority of people here don't harass these people and the ones that do are looked down on.

I just finished watching it. I don't think it necessarily glorified suicide but it could've been handled better. Plus the fact that they don't mention depression or mental illness by name once is weird. They didn't do anything to stress that Hannah was ill. I thought the editing and acting was decent enough for the most part and I liked that the side character were fleshed out. Also some bangers in the soundtrack.

>>190690
the rape thing pissed me off. Hannah literally just hid and let Jessica get raped but she was way harder on Justin, who attempted to stop it but was thrown/locked out of the room. And she didn't seem to give a shit about taking accountability for that, at least not nearly as much as she was implicating Justin. Plus getting in the tub with a dude you know is a rapist aghhghghgh. Stupid.

>>191307
>bangers in the soundtrack
I don't think you know what that word means, anon.

I liked it in the sense that it was an entertaining little show, the plot was interesting and I liked the narration. But other than that it just seems like every other teen show/film with a different gimmick.

Hannah is a melodramatic, self-pitying ninny but I kind of get what the writers were going for with that, and I don't get why none of them talk to their parents about anything… ever? It just seems so unrealistic. Throughout the series every single 'adult' constantly reminds them to talk to them about their problems yet they never do and instead talk to the counsellor, if at all. I don't know if that's a common thing but most people I know including myself will go to their parents first if something is troubling them.
>>191307
In fairness, some of the characters (Clay, Jessica) do address that and say that Hannah let her down. And I don't think that she got in the hot tub with Bryce, he jumped in iirc. She was alone, and I suppose at the end of her tether.

I also don't get why she felt lonely, most of those kids were kind of selfish (as kids are) but ultimately friendly to her…? She got on okay with most of them most of the time. Some of them didn't even deserve to be on the tapes and she was kind of a prick to many of them first. Also Clay literally has no personality aside from 'vaguely sarcastic'. Both himself and Hannah feel like a Mary Sue + Gary Stu self-insert OC couple. For some reason everyone is obsessed with Hannah and Clay is an innocent white knight who can do no wrong. Also what some other anons have mentioned, they try too hard to be hip and down with the kids.

The only person I felt genuinely sorry for was Olivia. I cried when she found Hannah's body.

>>191371
i watched it too and this is a perfect summary imo.

>I liked it in the sense that it was an entertaining little show, the plot was interesting and I liked the narration. But other than that it just seems like every other teen show/film with a different gimmick.
>Hannah is a melodramatic, self-pitying ninny
exactly.

i didnt like it in a sense that it was all like
>oh boo hoo
>i can kill myself and tape a few things
>and then suddenly everyone will like me and
>realize what they did wrong

it's a very teenagerish view of suicide. suicide as a way of revenger, so everyone will realize how bad they were treating the person committing suicide. Ive heard this dozens of times.
>and then they will stand at my grave and will realize how wrong they were
I also think this is what people mean when theyre saying the show is glorifying suicide.