/ot/ - off-topic

Because the fine for not having health insurance under Obamacare is higher than some actual health insurance policies depending on where you live.

The sentiment was nice but it needs to be re-worked.

>>178307
Yeah, I had to pay a fine of $300 last year for not having it, but it isn't because I didn't want it. That's what's ridiculous about the ACA, but I have a feeling Republicans are the ones that shoehorned the thing about the fine into it… maybe I'm wrong, but it's sleazy. I do like that Trump wants insurance premiums to be a tax write off for individuals.

>>178310
I understand people are pissed about the fine and as an euro-fag I have no idea how it plays out in reality but as I understood it the government introduced the fine because an insufficient number of people signed up. The more people sign up for health care the cheaper it gets for the individual. The system doesn't work if only the ill and the elderly sign up for it because the costs for the young and healthy people will be too high. However, the more young people sign up, the cheaper it gets for them, too. Everyone wins. I suppose the Obama administration didn't expect people would prefer paying the fine to signing up and they can't make it mandatory because that would be socialism or something.

>>178307
>>Because the fine for not having health insurance under Obamacare is higher than some actual health insurance policies depending on where you live
What about actually getting Obama Care? If more people would sign up it would get cheaper. But no one wants to make the first step.
Though I agree it's stupid to make the fine more expensive than insurance policies…

So basically, public health care doesn't work in America because of its values. American culture values individual achievements more than solidarity. Everyone fights for themselves. I always find it fascinating to see even poor Americans trash the idea of rising the tax shares for the rich. They simply share a completely different set of values, can't argue with that.

(Not ALL Americans though)

This is going to end up in /sty

>>178334
>I always find it fascinating to see even poor Americans trash the idea of rising the tax shares for the rich

I also find fascinating how indoctrinated they can be.

>>178334
>This is going to end up in /sty

Hopefully we can keep discussion relatively civil so it won't. I think American health care is a very important topic for us American anons.

>>178336
I assume it's because of the „American dream" (?) Kek I must sound really condescending with my vague ideas about American values but that's what we learned at school. I imagine people think they might get rich someday, too because you know, everybody can make it if they only work hard enough etc. etc. So when the day comes and they earn six figures they don't want to pay higher taxes.

What also baffles me is that this mindset goes completely against christian values. I always thought Americans are very serious about religion.

>>178340
Yes. I feel so sorry for the Americans who might lose heath care though I don't know if the numbers Bernie Sanders and others presented about people literally dying if congress repeals the ACA are accurate. There's a lot of contradictory information floating around. From "congress will repeal Obama Care" to "they won't" and "from repealing it will have no effect" to "people will die".

Right now, my best insurance option is the shittiest one available at $20/mo, with a $10,000 deductible, which isn't something I can afford. My state didn't approve the expanded Medicaid option, so I don't qualify for that either. There aren't any actual good options (at least where I live) for poorfags, so I just do without going to the doctor.

I would like to see a better choice available than Obamacare, but I doubt Trump will provide an actual solution, especially to the lower class. I wasn't that big of a fan of Obamacare (some aspects were okay though), but I think a lot of people are seriously going to get fucked over in the next few years.

Is it true most people don't realize Obamacare and the affordable care act are the same thing?
I think it was a huge mistake to call it Obamacare. People who hate Obama automatically hate on it.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/us/politics/trump-health-law-replacement.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=http://m.facebook.com/

>>Trump Promises ‘Insurance for Everybody’ as Health Law Replacement

Sure, bro.

>>178353
Republicans started calling it Obamacare for that exact reason. To turn anyone who didn't like Obama against it, even if they didn't know anything about it.

>>178357
Ha I knew something wasn't right about Obama picking such a stupid name.

I'm not a Bernie supporter but I like what he did there. Simply reminding Trump of what he said or rather tweeted.

Obamacare will be repealed with a simple 51 senator majority. And if Democrats are smart this time around,they will not filibuster the replacement. They should let it pass with a Republican majority.

There is no plan with enough upsides that a political party can run on its success in the next election. Healthcare is a kryptonite issue because the only acceptable soundbyte answer is "the coverage is cheap, fast, and all encompassing!" And this isn't actually possible in reality.

But it seems like Democrats still haven't learned shit. Everyone responsible for pushing Clinton should have been run out of town and blacklisted forever. These stupid fucks are going to screw up the playbook again.

this type of shit threads are why i miss chilling in /g/

>>178334

>I always find it fascinating to see even poor Americans trash the idea of rising the tax shares for the rich.

Some poors do buy into that myth, but there are two political parties with an absolute hammerlock on power here in the states, and they don't permit unorthodox views to make it onto the party platforms. It's wh Sanders was frozen out and why the same politicos fawning over Trump now were excoriating him every five minutes in the primaries.

Ever wonder why there's never a serious challenge from Americans whenever we get embroiled in another war on another paper-thin pretext?

As far as economics are concerned, this is a left-leaning country. Culturally, not so much.

>This is going to end up in /sty

Not till /pol/ shows up; enjoy it while it lasts.


>>178370

The Dems are fighting as hard as they can because it looks worse in hindsight if the inevitable shitstorm ensues and they did nothing to stop it.

Yeah, it's going to suck having a preexisting condition again.

>>178401
Me too, anon. I wish there was a separate board dedicated to political stuff to keep it from shitting up the place.

>>178408
>>178401
Currently you're shitting up the thread. What keeps you from clicking on the small square in the left upper corner of the thread and hide it?

>>178405
>>Some poors do buy into that myth, but there are two political parties with an absolute hammerlock on power here in the states, and they don't permit unorthodox views to make it onto the party platforms

Yeah the whole two party thing always baffled me. Especially since they're not really parties but platforms. How is Donald Trump a republican? What does republican or democrat even mean?
318 Million being offered to chose between two realistic options sounds nuts. I mean you don't have to go all in like Israel and have 10 parties bicker about a country the size of New Jersey but what about 4-5? I feel like if there's more parties politicians learn how to compromise and form alliances instead of moving into a gridlock because everybody always blames "the others".