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No. 166318

Has anybody here ever gone through with an abortion? How did you emotionally cope (and financially) afterwards?

I qualify for the pill and I'm just freaking out. I made a stupid, stupid mistake and I don't know how to get over general feelings of overwhelming self loathing, the intense realization of something inside me, etc. I'm 22 and gah I've always used protection and I fucked up. I just feel intense self loathing and shame. How did any of you deal with this??

Sorry if this belongs in /b/, or in the general feels thread of /b/, I don't think the abortion is a confession, just, I'm freaking out. Ah. Sorry.

No. 166319

I self aborted using the parsley infusion method because I couldn't afford the pill, and granted I didn't suffer the emotional dilemma you seem to be having, but I did wonder if I should keep it. I'm glad I didn't. Because unless you're stable enough now to provide for a child right now, having one isn't gonna make your life any better. Sure, you can get on welfare and food stamps, but I myself grew up in a single parent household with those benefits and we still struggled, and to this day I still carry some resentment because of it. Don't get caught up in guilt over having an abortion, because anyone who would rail on you for having one would not even lift a finger or give you a dime to help take care of it. There's no need to fuck your life all up over a mistake. You can always have children later and do right by them by raising them the way they deserve instead of scraping by to raise one now because you feel socially obligated to or whatever.Iff you're not ready, you're not ready, which is all the justification you need.

No. 166320

>>166319

Thank you anon. I was considering the alternate methods but knowing me I would burn a hole through my uterus, or something. I'm not regretting the idea of getting rid of it, I'm pretty firmly confident in not having a child, I just seem to have some angry, catholic grandmother in my head making me feel like a disgusting heathen for getting pregnant in the first place.

Thanks again. Needed acceptance cuz my brain wasn't giving it i guess.

No. 166321

>>166320
No problem, just think of it like this if you start feeling guilty again- would you feel worse over aborting, or not being able to provide for your kids the way you wished you could? You can always wait and have kids when you're better off, you can't really undo a subpar childhood. Of course I'm doing a lot of assuming about your life and financial situation right now but statistically speaking, most young women who consider abortions do so because they can't emotionally or financially handle it yet.

The parsley infusion method is completely safe, but it's not guaranteed to work. I can't remember the success rate but I think it's around 80%? You can find it on google easily, and I'm sure there are other methods but if you have acces to the pill and a clinic with trained nurses then you should definitely go that route.

No. 166322

>>166320
>I just seem to have some angry, catholic grandmother in my head making me feel like a disgusting heathen for getting pregnant in the first place.

My grandmother and my mother both called me a whore when they found out I got on BC (so I could take Accutane, which they legally can't give you unless you're on BC), and yet both of them and most of my female cousins all got pregnant out of wedlock when they were 14-16. So fuck what they think, anon! It your life, not theirs.

No. 166323

>>166319
>couldn't afford the pill

Go to Planned Parenthood next time.

No. 166324

I had an abortion via pill three years ago. That shit is very expensive and I did go to Planned Parenthood. It cost me about $300 and insurance sure as hell doesn't pay for it. However, it's even more expensive to have a child. If you're not ready for a child then you shouldn't have one. You really have to be financially stable and prepared to devote yourself to the child for the next 18 years because it's a full time job.

Personally, I regret having the abortion and I really struggled with making the decision. I was (still am) in a situation where having a child is feasible and wouldn't cause strain on my life. I was sort of pressured into it by my SO though. It was still my decision in the long run so it's all on me. I was an emotional wreck for a long time and still have sad feelings about it. But you shouldn't feel any shame or self-loathing OP. You're just not in the right place in your life to have a child. It would be unfair to you and the child to have it.

No. 166325

Man I feel bad for you Americucks; all birth control in the UK is free.

You pretty much walk into any clinic on a specified day, usually Mondays and Thursday, they say "alright u slag wat u avin'", and then you get sent home with a shot of depo provera in the ass and told to come back in 3 months, a freshly incised implant in your arm or a 6 month supply of whatever pill you decide on, and almost always an armful of free condoms… which for some reason are usually the large size…. hmmmm….

Still, that's awful. America is like the richest nation earth, why don't they implement this same shit?

No. 166326

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I was in the same situation when I was 18. I live in a country with free healthcare, so the money was never an issue. I tried the medical abortion but it failed completely, so I had to go through dilation and curettage. That was probably the worst part of it all. I wish I could have gone through it at home. I did also struggle with feelings of guilt and depression for the longest time. Remember that if your situation isn't ideal for raising a child, you're putting another person with a poor start in life on this planet. There are enough people who resent their lives already. The child would eventually find out that you were unsure about having them. Even if you never tell them, they would figure it out through your attitude and behavior. Remember that you can always have children later and you won't have to worry about being ready for parenting. Make sure you have a lot of people around you, willing to help you cope with this choice. Consider going to therapy, if you can afford it. It isn't supposed to be an easy choice to make, but if you feel it's something you need to do at this moment in your life, you have no reason to have second thoughts. It's alright for you to feel sad or overwhelmed. Just don't blame yourself for this, it can happen to anyone regardless of how careful they are. I hope everything works out the best way it can, anon.

No. 166327

>>166323

I lived in a small podunk town in a red state that didn't have one. Not everyone lives near enough to a Planned Parenthood to go to one.

No. 166328

UK here.
I had an abortion 3 years ago and honestly… I'm not phased at all. I had an implant for several months but it must have been faulty as I ended up pregnant, discovered at 7 weeks and spoke to my doctor. I have bipolar disorder, was at a very bad place emotionally and my doctor referred me for one as I knew I wasn't ready to have a kid. Got surgical abortion and a coil fitted during it (and implant removed as obviously it was faulty) and other than some cramping for a few days that wasn't any worse than my usual period cramps I physically wasn't all the affected. Mentally… Well put it this way it's not till abortion is mentioned that it even crosses my mind that I had one so it might sound heartless but it proved to me that I wasn't ready for kids and still not.
Good luck anon. If you need any advice we're all here to help.

No. 166329

I really don't understand why some people become emotionally affected from terminating a pregnancy.

Maybe I'm just a cold-ass nigga but the way I see it during the foetal stage that potential-baby is little more than a fungus, a parasite that's invaded your body against your will and is going to proceed to steal your calcium and separate your abdominal muscles.

At the end of the day it's a collected assortment of cells, no better than a clipped toenail or a slug.

Hey OP, maybe that foetus will grow up to be Richard Ramirez 2.0.
Maybe by preventing it from taking up residence in your womb you're going to SAVE LIVES.

But seriously OP, don't feel bad, it's your body and you have 100% autonomy over it. You didn't make a concious decision to allow anything to grow within in.
Terminate it and get on with your life, and maybe when you're older if you want to try for a kid you can. No point pondering over what ifs and buts, the world is strange and never certain, and even the you that exists today may have never been if your dad's balls had been a slightly different temperature when he was railing your mother.

No. 166330

>>166329
You're right, but people freak out about it and it's pushed as something horrible and sinful, murderous. It isn't though.

Anyway OP, relax, mistakes happen and you shouldn't feel bad about it. It's actually pretty common. Just imagine how worse everything would be if you went through with it, you have to do what is best for you.

No. 166331

>>166329
I think about it like dodging a bullet. Your life is completely changed forever once you have a kid. You have a human being you need to raise and care for 18+ (let's face it, MORE than 18 years) and it's EXPENSIVE. I think more women should be encouraged not shamed for having abortions since it is the only choice for a lot of them. fuck the assholes who say "b-but adoption!"

Adoption is awful and the child welfare system is filled with creeps and pedos.

No. 166332

>>166331
I want to clarify that I meant "putting up your child/baby for adoption is bad' not adoption in general. The system is corrupt and doesn't care about all the children who slip through the cracks. There are tons of unwanted children in this world who need good homes, especially teenagers.

no reason for women not to abort when this world is already overrunned.

No. 166333

Abortion is murder. We are killing unborn children so that The mother can live The way she wants and that's an evil thing to do.

Im happy that The West is getting more and more Pro-life, Abortion will hopefully be outlawed some day in The near future.(lol)

No. 166334

>>166333
You realize the only thing outlawing abortion will accomplish is make abortions unsafe and life-threatening, right? That's why Roe v Wade passed: women were dying of unsafe illegal abortions.

Jfc, stop fucking prioritizing non-sentient fetuses over actual women, and get your head out of your ass.

No. 166335

>>166329
Women are told that every pregnancy is a miracle, so they are supposed to feel bad when it ends. If you never wanted the baby, why be sad when you get it removed? It's just bullshit propaganda.

No. 166336

>>166334

Shouldn't we then also legalize rape to make it safer ? Or legalize the underground trade in sex slaves to regulate and make it safer?

I dunno man(same person)

No. 166337

>>166336
Make a separate thread in /b/ if you actually want to discuss that.

No. 166338

>>166335
Pretty much this and it's garbage.I remember being 13 or 14 years old and being told by an older family member that the greatest joy in any woman's life is having children. I'm 31 now and still don't want children. I'm good. It's horrible how little girls are brainwashed from a young age with baby doll toys and other garbage.

I will always support a woman's life over a bundle of cells.

No. 166339

>>166333

lol the West is most certainly not getting more pro-life, or do you forget that a world exists outside of Murrica'?

No. 166340

>>166332
I've posted about this before, but putting my daughter up for adoption was the most traumatic thing I've ever done in my life. I wanted an abortion but my SO said he would leave me, and having just been raped by his father I was so afraid of being alone. SO ended up giving me a black eye and that's when I knew I had to give her up. I hated what it did to me physically, I hated that I lost control of my emotions, I hated that I only had a day with the little parasite that I had somehow came to love before I had to say "I'm a terrible fucking person who can barely take care of themselves, how can I take care of someone else." And I still hate that after all is said and done I have nothing to show for it other than stretch marks and constant guilt. Therapy has helped but not getting an abortion is one of the biggest regrets of my life.

No. 166341

>>166331
Not to mention, a lot of those who start going "b-but adoption!" don't even think for a second that there are already millions upon millions of already orphaned children worldwide who need a family to love and accept them as one of their own. There is no shortage of children to adopt and I hate pro-lifers who claim otherwise in an attempt to manipulate women from making their own personal decisions re: abortion.

No. 166342

>>166340 I want to give you a hug, anon

No. 166343

>>166342
Thank you, sincerely. There were a lot of circumstances beyond my control like the rape and abusive boyfriend, but honestly even if those were not factors I'm sure I would still feel the same.

I was on the pill when this all happened. All I can say is unplanned pregnancies are fucking awful.

No. 166344

>>166340
That's horrible, I'm sorry.

And it brings up another point: even ignoring all the issues with adoption that have already been pointed out, pregnancy can really fuck up your body (if not end up fatal) and something like that will always be an emotional burden. There's also the issue of the kid tracking you down and wanting questions answered, which is another big can of worms.

No. 166345

>>166340
I'm so sorry anon. that's really awful and goes to show that so many women are still manipulated into not getting an abortion and regret it. It's so unfair to even think about forcing a woman to give birth. it's always HER choice and hers alone.

No. 166346

>>166340
I'm really sorry anon. You are not a terrible person, and I have the same awful mantra going through my head.

This is OP again saying thanks for all the supportive stories and replies.
I have a supportive mother who was floored, but supportive. I've quit my meds and she has offered to pay what insurance doesn't cover. (She doesn't know that it's a loan that I will be paying her back.) I've contacted my previous job to work while I'm in school.. It sounds ridiculous, because this entire post reeks of the privilege and opportunity I had, can luckily use, and still managed to make a stupid mistake that the same women have had to deal with having no support. A lot of the shame comes from my mom paying for my stupid mistake, her being aware of my stupid mistakes, and being soul-crushingly aware of my status as a societal leech.

Maybe I'm just going off the deep end again, or being really emo. It'll be better once it's over but it's so far from over I'm just sitting on it. God.

No. 166347

I've actually had two abortions.

The first was due to pure youthful stupidity and immaturity. I got the surgical method and it was painful for the rest of the day, but I immediately felt relief, physically and emotionally. I had been extremely sick for a few weeks and everything was alleviated quickly. The clinic I went to used nitrous oxide during the procedure and it felt only a little more uncomfortable than a typical exam.

The second time was due to birth control failure- I probably accidentally missed a pill or something. I've gotten much much better about things now, but these things happened when I was young and didn't do things responsibly. That time I had the pill instead and not only was it more expensive, but it was honestly horrific. The second pill you take causes every method of expulsion in your body to trigger at once (cue vomiting, pissing, shitting, and expulsion of the "material"). I felt freaked out because I was doing everything at home, without medical supervision.

I can't say too much about the emotional side of things. I felt really hormonal for awhile but it eventually subsided.

No. 166348

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Has anyone seen the season 2 episode of 'Halt and Catch Fire' where Gordon Clark's wife, Donna, gets an abortion? It was sort of poorly written with the Planned Parenthood location in focus, but it got the point across to the audience.

I felt bad for her. She was juggling a struggling tech startup and two kids. Then Gordon makes a comment about having another child in the season finale and Donna starts bawwing in the lavatory.

No. 166349

>>166340
I can't imagine what it's like to have to carry a baby to term and then put them up for adoption. Shit, the ending of Juno always tore me up for that reason. Just the thought of going through a process like labor and then the baby is just…gone. You don't know what happens to it (unless you have one of those open adoption deals, but then that seems fucked up in its own way), DCF is fucking awful, there are more horror stories about foster homes than good ones…shit, my bf's mom became a foster mom for his cousins because their mom went on a drug bender and disappeared, and those social workers didn't give a fuck. They didn't even visit the house. They were just like LOL, good thing they have family that cares! good luck! and that was that. It's awful.

No. 166350

>>166349
I hate the movie Juno. Bitch should have gotten an abortion. It was a really shitty look on teenage pregnancy.

No. 166351

I got pregnant at 16 and I had an abortion.
I felt empty for ages after, then I felt guilty, then angry. I mean I was only 16, so a teenage girl would feel a range of emotions.
I mainly felt upset that I had to resort to abortion, and I was upset that I got pregnant in the first place.
Abortion is free where I live, so that was lucky.
Well that was my experience with it.

No. 166352

>>166351
You made the right choice at the time. Being 16 and pregnant is not a good life decision, so at least you took responsibility. I hope you're feeling better now. (Assuming you're way ovr 18)

No. 166353

I live in a country with free health care, but abortion is not free. Even the pill kind cost around 500€.

The condom slipped off inside me. I thought it happened outside my fertile time, because I am regular and use a calendar to chart my cycles. But somehow I conceived. I felt very guilty before going to the doctor, but afterwards just numb. I'm a student, not in a good place to have a child.

500€ sucks though

No. 166354

>>166333
I agree that it is murder, but it's sort of a necessary evil. Most aborted fetuses are of lower-class, single women without a mothering instinct in their body. Also, adoption agencies are awful and foster care puts kids at risk for all kinds of unsavory conduct. Not to mention sometimes they just 'lose' kids. Gods knows where they end up.
I still find abortion to be morally reprehensible and it's disturbing that girls my age think of it as no big deal, just like they think sex is no big deal. It sucks being a traditionalist in this amoral hedonistic society.

No. 166355

>>166352
Haha yes, I'm at college now. I never had any plan to keep the baby although my boyfriend at the time had very Catholic parents and they were extremely abusive and manipulative towards my parents and I to keep the baby. My parents weren't having it, I had just turned 16. You can't expect a teenager to look after a kid. Abortion is the right thing to do when you can't look after a kid. Cant say i had any regrets. Adoption is in the shits, specially where i live. Anyway, the moral of the story is to not give birth when you are a teen!

No. 166356

>>166354
Seriously? You basically just re-worded the same guilt tripping bullshit that other person was banned for.
Most logical people don't feel guilty over terminating something that isn't even sentient yet or aware of its own existence.

I mean, how do you cope with killing bugs or plants?

Also, I believe you're over exaggerating how much "girls your age" think of it as no big deal. I don't think they're swapping out birth control for abortion if that's what you're trying to claim. But if you're suggesting that every girl who gets an abortion be overwhelmed by guilt that sends her into a severe depression, I honestly question your sanity. I mean, you just listed yourself a ton of reasons that abortion is often necessary and the only logical option, yet you continue to find it "morally reprehensible." I will never understand this sort of thinking.

No. 166357

>>166354
tips fedora

No. 166358

>>166354
so this is what special snowflakes were like in the fifties

No. 166359

>>166354
i think abortion is evil but honestly most of the women who aborted were either sluts or trash so they would fuck up their child if they wouldnt or couldnt abort.
theres too many bad parents nowadays

No. 166360

>>166354
feminism encourages women to be irresponsible of their choice and to sleep with everyone.
just don't hang out with teen girls or feminists and you'Ll be fine honestly

No. 166361

>>166357
>hur durr fedora meme
pls go

No. 166362

>>166358
you mean sane people?

No. 166363

You cunts sound like Tharthan, christ.

No. 166364

>>166360
>>166359

This is definitely a man lel

No. 166365

>>166324
Are you still with the same SO? More details like why he pressured you.

No. 166366

>>166359
>>166360
>>166354
Ignore this bait/robot

No. 166367

>>166365
Dude, fuck OFF.

No. 166368

I live in Canada, so my abortion was free. However I chose to have an IUD inserted which I had to pay due to no insurance.
I had my abortion the 11th of this month. My family was supportive as was my boyfriend, and due to my current lifestyle and medication, we could not keep the baby.
I am still dealing with the sadness and guilt, but it does get better everyday. Mostly your hormones will be making you feel crazy and depressed (kind of how you felt when you just became pregnant.)
Having a support system is always great, and many places offer help and counseling otherwise.
The biggest thing to remember is that the right thing is definitely the hardest. I'm 22 as well and the reality of failing a child is worse than the guilt I felt having to give it up.
You'll make it anon, if you want to chat I can make a throwaway email and try to answer any questions!
Be strong anon, its hard but in the grand scheme its for the best! Xoxoxo

No. 166369

>>166356
I live peacefully among my house spiders. Only bugs I kill are ants, fleas and mosquitos. Commies and parasites.
I find it rather crass of you to compare an unborn child (lol bundle of cells) to plants or bugs. I said it's necessary, I know that it is, but I still don't agree with the idea of it. It's like war or slaughterhouses, children starving in third-world countries; just because I can't do anything about it doesn't mean I have to approve of it.
Terminating a pregnancy should feel bad; I question your sanity if you think women should feel nothing at all for it.

No. 166370

>>166366
I only posted >>166354
I am neither baiting, nor a robot.
Why is it crazy for a female to go against today's popular opinion and to believe in traditional values?
If you have sex, (Hopefully, in a monogamous relationship) a potential consequence of that is pregnancy. If you are not ready for kids then don't have sex. I know people can't exactly control themselves, so at very least be on BC, use a condom, pull out, frottage.
At the end of the day, sex is ultimately for reproduction, not fun.

No. 166371

>>166370

>at the end of the day, sex is ultimately for reproduction, not fun

Within the confines of evolutionary physiology that's actually an exceptionally debatable statement.

Were sex exclusively for reproduction, the existence of the female orgasm should by all rights entirely unnecessary, and yet there it is.

No. 166372

What is your opinion on abortion parities?

No. 166373

>>166371
Female animals can also have orgasms. Maybe it's more of an incentive to reproduce. Women can orgasm without having sex as well and when it comes to human females, most are unable to orgasm from penetrative sex alone.
In my opinion, regardless of orgasm, sex is a way of feeling closer to one's partner.

No. 166374

>>166370
Shouldn't you be a nun in the mountains, you stupid cunt?

No. 166375

>>166369
lol. I aborted once and didn't feel a thing. Fuck off

No. 166376

>>166369

>terminating a pregnancy should feel bad; I question your sanity if you think women should feel nothing at all for it

Kek do you hold a mini-funeral everytime you blow your nose or squeeze out a fat, slimy menstrual clot? Fuck off you Stepford psycho.

No. 166377

>>166374
>>166375
>>166376
Oh, look; I suppose I've struck a nerve. I said abortion is a necessary evil. Rationalize all you want. A zygote is not a booger or a scab. It's the potential for a human being and a piece of both the mother and father. I don't think there's anything wrong with a little sentimentality.

No. 166378

>tfw wish my mother would have aborted me

I wouldn't wish the "gift" of life on anybody.

Then again i'm able to realize this view is warped by my severe depression and history of family abuse, which would most likely be passed onto my child via genetics/the fact that I have no motherly inclinations.

No. 166379

>>166377

>it's the potential for a human being

And what exactly is so special about that?
Do you realise today there are already more than 7 billion of us on this planet?
We're destroying our planet at an unparalleled rate with our very existence and inflicting untold horrors and agonies upon the rest of the lifeforms that exist here and you want MORE of us?
What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

No. 166380

>>166318
Honestly If you feel like you did the right thing for YOU and your future, then I don't think you have anything to worry about. Babies are expensive not only in a money sense but they are emotionally draining. I'm a year younger than you and I don't think could properly raise a child right now in my life, but I don't think I could get an abortion either, but that's just personal reasons. You did nothing wrong, keep your chin up, and tell anyone who says you're a "baby killer" that they can suck it.

No. 166381

>>166379
Are you shitting all over anyone who would dare have a child when, heavens forbid, global warming is happening? Grow up.

No. 166382

>>166378
If you really think this, why haven't you killed yourself?

No. 166383

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- Generally repulsed by own body

- I've basically had to wait 2 weeks before going to PP and getting the two part pill abortion. I'm going this Saturday.

Anybody have to "wait" to get one and go crazy?

No. 166384

>>166383

Honestly being impregnated is like my worst nightmare, not because I wouldn't hesitate to gas the fucker immediately, but because the notion of having something growing within my abdomen strikes into me some real chestburster-tier terror man.

Anyway, isn't that pill supposed to make you sick as a dog a while after taking it.

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>>166382
I'm already here, might as well make the best of it while I am, if only because my suicide wouldn't just affect me. It would effect my boyfriend and animals. Suicide would be an ultimately selfish move.

>Inb4 you can't be depressed if people care about you
mental illness doesn't work that way.

Not going to lie though, if I had no ties I would just go off somewhere quiet and cease to exist.

No. 166386

>>166378
>the fact that I have no motherly inclinations.

a lot of that shows up in people after you have a child thanks to hormones.

No. 166387

>>166386
and a lot of times it doesn't. not every woman is meant to be a parent or has the 'motherly instincts' and not every woman wants kids. Deal with it

No. 166388

>>166385
Nah anon I know how you feel. I've struggled with being bitter about being born for as long as that thought formed in my head.

I've come to terms now that I've googled the fuck out of suicide methods and am pretty confident that if shit hits the fan I have a comfortable way out. Surprisingly, making that step towards actually having a plan has made me feel less inclined to do it. It's a comfort and calms me down when I'm going through tough times.

For now I'm making the best of my life. I'm chock-full of depression but every day I say fuck that and do what I can to make the people who love me happy and proud of me. But like you said, if the three people (and my pets) who would be devastated by my death suddenly weren't around anymore I'd be the fuck out of here.

No. 166389

>>166325
Christians

No. 166390

I personally haven't had an abortion but two of my friends have. One because apparently abusive rapey boyfriend. She's hard as nails though and while odd, doesn't seem to care.

The second is heart breaking though. She was raped at her private school and thus left it to come to our normal non-paid school. She was in and out of psychiatric care after that; self harm, psychosis, the works. Not sure if it was related but she was pretty young (year 10/11 UK school wise?) and has always been meek, mild and sensitive. Poor girl. So from those two I know of, it can go two ways.

My boyfriend has a child by his ex. They put it up for adoption as it was too far gone for them to get an abortion. Her epilep meds interfered with her pill and they didn't use condoms one time. Pregnancy test showed negative, even her first doctors test showed negative. They met on a depression forum, so you can imagine the clusterfuck that resulted. They broke up about a month after the little boy was born and don't talk due to her being a complete psycho.

Boyf still gets updates from the adoptive parents (although he only knows first names and no location). Pictures of days out, what he's learning etc. He gets so sad about it sometimes it breaks my heart. He spent about 24hrs with it and named him.

So basc, while some adoptions work out lovely, it still has mental repercussions years later, as abortion can also do. Imho, getting rid of it before 'sentience'/viability/formation of nervous system is the best option.

I hope you feel better about it soon. Good luck.

No. 166391

>>166386
Bad idea to play russian roulette and count on the off chance that the mother will be overtaken by hormones. If a person doesn't want to have children it's better to leave them the fuck alone.

Not aimed at you in particular, anon, as you didn't /actually/ say anything of the sort, but it's so strange (and annoying) how people get offended when you tell them you don't want kids.


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