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No. 1474530
I have no proof or medical studies to show that this is the case, but I also have no doubts. I believe that to get out of depression, tiredness, fatigue and all that shit, you first have to work your body, since a healthy body is a healthy mind, for that it is good to do sports, whatever it is. it is as long as it keeps our body busy. Another important factor is studying, it doesn't really matter what, it doesn't matter if it's for university, school or for yourself, you have to do it to keep your mind occupied with something productive. I would also say that looking for a job, or generating income with a startup, as this will keep our mind and body busy, while giving us money, in itself gives us a reason to keep going, especially when you are working on something of your own.
Another important point is to stop comparing yourself to others, stop thinking that the other is better than you because you have more knowledge, money or physical condition. It is also very silly to think about issues such as superiority or inferiority, we are all human, we all have problems and difficulties in life, of course there are degrees of this, but this does not have to be a limitation. You have to focus on yourself, on your problems, on your virtues, on your life, and not on that of others.
Another issue is guilt and remorse, which depending on the person can be the easiest part, or difficult to overcome, because it is easy to forgive others, but sometimes it is difficult, if not impossible, to forgive yourself. No matter how dirty your hands are, they can always be cleaned. You have to accept your sins, accept what you did wrong and live with it. Go to a priest, a psychologist, or tell someone you trust what you did, this can help, it doesn't matter if you think psychology is a joke, or if you don't believe in God, the important thing is to somehow get the weight off What are you wearing.
My least favorite part of this thread is going to a psychiatrist and being prescribed medication, which in itself sucks. But these in some cases are necessary to be able to do the above. Non-magical drugs, and you can't expect them to solve all your problems, but they are a great supplement to doing some of the steps mentioned in this thread.
No. 1474561
>>1474551It can be something useful, but you can make friends in a sporting activity, or in a course. It's a good thing to have friends, but for some people it can be quite complicated, so it would be better to do more basic things, like looking people in the eye, asking little questions about what they're talking about, smiling, being polite, etc. .
I think that a guide could be made on how to have friends, but the truth is that it is something that occurs "naturally" by making some points in the thread.
No. 1474565
>>1474558Look anon, I'm going to tell you the truth, this thread is designed for people who suffer from depression, so adding a chronic illness to it can be a little more difficult to overcome, but it is not impossible, no matter how black the parodama may seem , there's always hope.
What chronic disease do you have?
No. 1474587
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You're right, but the problem is getting depressed people started and keeping the healthy habits going when you're so depressed you can't get out of bed. Solution? Energy drinks, caffeine, stimulants, cocaine in small doses. This is the only working cure for heavily depressed people. A kick in the ass, and after that, your only job is steering yourself in the right direction. It's like those pull-back toy cars or a Beyblade. Your day should at the very minimum start with a cup of coffee, an energy drink, caffeine pill, or those chewable coffee cubes Grimes likes.
>muh anti depressants
Great, now you killed off not only the bad thoughts but all the good thoughts too, you blank piece of shit. You need something that makes you DO THINGS, not just something that barely keeps you from hanging yourself.
No. 1474607
>>1474587People need will, without will they can never improve. Do you feel tired, depressed, and don't want to do any activity because "it wasn't worth it"? It doesn't matter, you do it anyway. That is called will.
Antidepressant drugs can be good if used correctly, but they have terrible side effects, natural remedies can be a good option, but they are not exempt from having side effects, such as san juan wort. Another issue is to eat well, leave sugar, and replace it with things like stevia, it is also important not to have vitamin deficiencies.
No. 1474614
I think you need to begin with the question of why do people in general feel emotions to begin to answer why someone would fall into a perpetual negative emotional state. Emotions are clearly intrinsic instincts not learned although learned experiences can change what triggers the emotions to occur. These instincts evolved over time to prod people towards the actions that have proven to be evolutionarily successful over time. Because people are highly social animals and there is fierce competition between different social groups of people, many of the emotions we feel are actually designed to not simply benefit yourself and improve your own survival, but to benefit the survival of the entire social group. These instincts go hand in hand with developed cultural mores.
Take for example two tribes. One full of selfish brutes with no altruism or concept of self sacrifice, the other the opposite. In battle, the side willing to sacrifice for the greater good would win as the selfish ones scatter and try to save their own hides. Then the entire tribe gets slaughtered and their genes/culture doesn't get passed down. This is why concepts such as altruism and self sacrifice that aren't at first glance beneficial to the survival of the individual actually are because if he wants to reproduce and protect his progeny to adulthood he needs the society to come together as a whole and be able to repel the attacks of other hostile human societies.
The most effective strategy seems have been to have multiple types of people who perform different social roles which is why different people react differently to the same experiences. If you read about the incidents of children who were switched at birth in birth ward it's quite illuminating. The children often have markedly different interests and traits than the rest of their "family" despite being in the same environment which suggests a large genetic component to personality.
I mention this because I've heard a theory for depression that I find plausible that basically states that it's a state that is triggered when someone cannot contribute to society such as when they become injured. When they cannot contribute they will feel bad and just kind of lay around and do nothing until their injury heals, then they go back to work and start feeling good about contributing to the social group and the depression goes away. If their injury is so bad that they can't contribute permanently then they feel so bad that they kill themselves and stop dragging down the rest of the group. Studies show that suicide is more common among the wealthy and I think ironically it's because it's harder to feel as though you're actually contributing something meaningful when your needs are constantly met. It kind of slips you into this state where you're not doing anything because your natural impulses that would prod you towards doing things are not strong enough to get you to do them because they exist at a higher level of abstraction than more fundamental impulses like hunger or thirst or desire for shelter.
So basically I think a large part of triggering the positive emotions you feel as a human has to do with finding a social role that you are suited for and in which you feel you can meaningfully contribute to society. This is why if you ever go into any sort of therapy eventually they will start pushing you to get a job almost as if that is the point of the therapy, which basically, it is. They will try to find you a social role that you may be suited for.
The problem that many anons face is that society has radically changed over the past few hundred years thanks to the changes brought about by capitalism, fractional reserve banking, and the advancement of technology and industrialization. In short, the social roles that are left out in the world are different from the ones we evolved with over millenia. Manufacturing used to be done at the family level with found or farmed resources. You would go out and shear the sheep and spin the yarn and all the other steps until you had woven a blanket which you would cherish the rest of your life. Now you just go to walmart and stock blankets on a shelf that come from some factory and you can buy a thousand blankets and each one will be shitty and meaningless.
The living of one's life used to actually be done by each individual, but now we are nothing but cogs in an economic machine owned by a small group of wealthy elites who don't work but who claim the lion's share of the productive capacity of society. Options are laid out by these behemoth corporations, we can be this sort of cog or that sort of cog. Each of the steps to become a thing is laid out clearly. At each juncture someone is holding a hoop that you have to jump through and when you land on the other side they hand you a carrot and if you fuck it up they take the carrot away or maybe give you a swat. There is no real danger, only social humiliation and shame to fear, only social feting to be gained.
As technology continues to change society, the number of social roles that can meaningfully stimulate our feel good juices has been shrinking and competition for those roles has been heating up. Hypernorms are obviously gonna win, so let's not even entertain any fantasies of anons being able to compete. We are mostly stuck with the less satisfying roles living lives of mild suffering so we may choose to simply minimize the suffering by becoming neet, thus triggering a state of low activity which triggers depression. The fundamental problem we are facing is that structural societal changes outside of our control have left us with fewer satisfying social roles to occupy. The only fundamental treatment to that problem is to revolutionize society.
Failing that the best idea I can come up with is to basically try and trick yourself into thinking you're doing something by staying active. Go fishing, take up sports, etc. You need to have goals that you can achieve in a social context and get positive social feedback from. Sorry to say it but basically becoming a normalfag is the cure to depression. Isolation and inactivity are fundamentally not good for depression in my view. I say this as an isolated neet hypocrite of course.
No. 1474748
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>>1474614Fascinating, I'm really intrigued by your theory, nona. Makes sense why one of the biggest pieces of advice for depression is to find meaning/purpose in volunteering or somehow helping others - looking outside yourself towards something larger in life.
No. 1474775
>[St. John's wort] known as an effective treatment for mild depression. A study published in The British Medical Journal this week is the first to suggest that it may also be an effective therapy for moderate to severe depression. https://www.medpagetoday.com/psychiatry/depression/487>[ashwagandha] WS root and leaf extracts exhibited noteworthy anti-stress and anti-anxiety activity in animal and human studies. WS also improved symptoms of depression and insomniahttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34254920/>L-Tyrosineactually I just looked into this one and a double-blind study found no effect on depression. So forget this
>[5-htp] available evidence suggests these substances were better than placebo at alleviating depressionhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11869656/>[omega 3]In the bipolar depression study, 8 of the 10 patients who completed at least 1 month of follow-up achieved a 50% or greater reduction in Hamilton depression (Ham-D) scores within 1 month. No significant side effects were reported in any of the studies.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19499625/>[NAC] We found that chronic NAC treatment produces antidepressive and antianhedonic-like effects. NAC treatment also reversed CLI-induced anxiety.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31751620/>[NAC for psychiatric disorders. It alters glutamate levels] Currently NAC has the most evidence of having a beneficial effect as an adjuvant agent in the negative symptoms of schizophrenia, severe autism, depression, and obsessive compulsive and related disorders. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9095537/>[microbiome and mental health] Between the gut and the brain, there is a bidirectional communication system, termed the gut-brain-axis. Its main player is the vagal nerve, connecting the internal organs to the brainhttps://pro.psycom.net/case-reports-expert-insights/major-depressive-disorder-and-the-microbiome>[fasting] we found that fasting groups had lower anxiety (b = -0.508, p = 0.038), depression levels (b= -0.281, p = 0.012)https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34836202/ No. 1474776
>>1474748While it's true that our environment influences our emotion, we don't need to consider the entirety of society, only the person's immediate surroundings. I believe that emotions depend on one thing only - perception. There could be war and famine on the other side of the world, but if you're not aware of it and connect it to your own well-being, then you're unaffected by it. The modern world unfortunately has brought too much perception, we know what's going on everywhere and the media is incentivized to make you care about everything whether it really concerns you or not.
Supplements and other snake oil really do help with improving mood, not because the fish oil or vitamins directly affect your mood, but because your perception changes. If I take this, I will feel better. Even such magical thinking can help for a little white, because it's not important what's true or real, but how you perceive the world and how it works. It's quite tempting to think, if I only found the right magical substance, I will never feel bad again- a little bit of hope in a seemingly hopeless situation, you will grab at any thread that shows itself to you. The downside is spending 10 bucks, the upside is potentially everything.
Depression is a natural state. Your brain is not broken, it's functioning as it's supposed to. When the situation seems hopeless, you are demotivated, you retreat, heal your wounds, you shrink your area of possibility and potential. Nothing except feeding yourself and low effort activities until you figure what the fuck just happened and how to recover from it. It's simply a state of adaptive defeat.
Chronic depression is brought on by chronic defeat. No one is really in this state 24/7, but it's possible to create cycle(s) of defeat in your daily life that keep bringing you back into the same state. Many of us face difficulties in life and then we might just run out of ideas of how to tackle it and we try to ignore it but it keeps coming back, the same defeat in the same area, and there is nothing in our environment that could push us out of this hole, whether physically or perceptually. There could be things that make you perceive the situation differently, but without success you simply return back. There could be optimal solutions somewhere, but your immediate perception tells you there is nothing, you have nowhere to start, no path that wasn't already treaded and met with defeat. So you anguish and learn to live in such a state regularly, perhaps focus on other areas and try to overcompensate. One doesn't need to a complete failure to be depressed, such situations are rare, it's much more common for a person to have one or two areas in their life that they deem important that they simply cannot tackle and experience regular defeat. For us wizards, this is often social defeat which by itself spreads defeat in other areas. One can hardly tackle the difficulties of academic life if one is unable to take up the role of a student and assimilate themselves in such an environment on a social level.
The solution is simple, one needs to exit the cycle of defeat and find something that works move to one forward. Simple doesn't mean easy, of course. Depression is deeply personal as it concerns personal defeats or of one's family and identity. No one can tell you how to move out of your defeat cycle because they don't know anything about it. Supplements and stereotypical advice is enough to give you a different taste, but they are not solutions, merely hacks that only randomly and blindly shake you until you find yourself in a stable position out of the defeat cycle. Perhaps you take a magical vitamin X and suddenly you feel like you can tackle anything and you happen to succeed in some manner, through luck or faith and you succeed in moving forward. The initial improvement in mood was enough to help you take action, but the vitamin didn't directly cause it or help you succeed. And such strategies unfortunately become less useful once you become aware of the mechanism of how you psyche yourself up. Regardless, nothing except a permanent solution in moving yourself forward will help you get out of a defeat cycle. You can't trick yourself unfortunately. You should focus on the one or two chronic defeat cycles in your life that you KNOW exist and that you are ignoring. Your mood improves once those move forward, or rather you perceive those moving forward.
No. 1480350
>>1480343I don't know, I have the habit of bumping my threads every time I enter the page. It took me a long time to write it, and thinking about what I could say, I wanted them to be practical answers and that everyone can do. Even so, the problem is in solving the part of the people with a lack of will, but other than that the guide works well.
You should also be kinder, my thread is not crap, nor is it mediocre, it's a good thread. I don't know your life situation, and you may be going through a bad time, but it doesn't justify being a hateful bitch.
No. 1480821
>>1480786I very much agree with you, I think that if you live in a clean space, and keep your body clean it can help you a lot, sometimes when I was really depressed I didn't bathe for several days, and after taking a bath with hot water I felt like new . Cleaning my room, combing my hair, and those things in general made me feel very good. Then when I was swimming I would go out content and happy, with a lot of energy.
I really don't know much about mushrooms, or about natural drugs, I might have them work, but I always went to more than go to health professionals when in doubt. I'm glad they served you nona!
No. 1480836
>>1474614>>1474776I really like your ideas anon.
One thing I have been thinking about is maybe, in addition to what you have written already, try to slowly build a circle of people who are similar to you. It can be a small circle, but in a way, something to help when trying to feel the part of contributing to a community that is "yours". If it is possible, outside world should not matter that much.
No. 1480847
>>1480836I don't know much how to interact with people on the internet, and I don't have many friends in real life. Sometimes I would like to help poor people by teaching them something useful so that they can get out of poverty, something like selling and buying things, growing food to sell, or things that I am learning along the way. But I think that to help others I have to be well myself first.
The real changes start in the real world, and not with a simple post on the internet.
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Microdosing on shrooms cured my depression, and a whole trip on shrooms got rid of all my bad habits
No. 1483141
I think that the studying and healthy body tips can be interchangable when first starting with helping your depression. Doing both can seem too daunting, and the ultimate point IMO, early on, is to be doing something better yourself to put yourself in the mindset that you're worth that instead of letting yourself rot.
The idea of a healthy body leading to a healthy mind is frequently touted, so I won't get into that. But studying with a goal, as long as it's something you're choosing to do because you want it, is also something people should seriously consider approaching if you can. Even if it's just a page or a paragraph a day, little by little, work at it and you WILL see progress. And from that, you realize that that's what a lot of life is while also ending up with a new skill or specialization.
My source? Me. This helped me. After a life of depression from all kinds of abuse and living the life others dictated for me to live, studying completely for myself is what helped me gain a mindset of agency and the will to live.
No. 1483153
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>>1483141Study and work have to go hand in hand, complement each other. You can learn carpentry and sell what you build, and as you learn, try to offer a better product to people.
I'm glad you were able to find a way out on this hard road, I hope you keep it up. Stay strong anon.
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dumbass