/ot/ - off-topic

You don’t have to be either of those. I’m not a career woman nor a housewife lol

>>1321720
I really wish scrotes would stfu and go dying in war instead making these stupid images.

I've worked enough in nursing homes and palliative care to know married women with children were some of the saddest, loneliest cases. Its no security against dying alone.

Housewife will get beaten by her dirtbag husband who will drop her for a younger woman.

Career woman actually has great culinary skills because she has the free time to practice.

Not every woman is brainwashed by her uterus.

Five kids isn't that healthy, you're assuming you can emotionally handle and support that many children. There's a reason most couples only have 1-2.

I'm so very fucking tired of the trad meme. It's obviously made by nerd shut-ins who have never been in a relationship or even seen one irl. It makes me wonder if the scrotes who latch on to the trad meme all come from broken homes and that's why they're obsessed.

>>1321721
based nonita

>>1321725
There's massive amounts of nurses that have come forward saying it's substantially more likely for wives to visit their dying husbands than the other way around.

Women are being lied to when they're told being with a man guarantees they won't die alone.
No wonder why the rare husband that actually seems to put in a real effort is seen as a saint.

>>1321730
I don’t want a man I just want the amount a money a man is more likely to have.

>>1321728
scrotes want a tradwife until its time to pay for a house by themselves and be a trad dad. Which they never can be since men just want to father children and not actually BE a father.

>>1321730
>it's substantially more likely for wives to visit their dying husbands

a moid would already be cheating as soon as you're diagnosed with a terminal illness. Never dedicate your life to them.

I think that everyone wants different things out of life, and there's nothing wrong with that. It really shouldn't be a SAHM vs "career woman" thing. I also hate pictures like the threadpic, it was definitely made by a man.

>>1321720
>Why do these two extremes even exist?
They literally don't, it's terminally online schizo shit with no historical basis.

>>1321736
You get it, nonna. Trad value families require participation from everyone involved. Every scrote who wants one is as far from Don Draper as Andromeda is from the Milky Way.

All of the extreme tradwives I’ve seen online have had histories of alcoholism/sleeping around/not being able to properly care for themselves/extreme mental issues. I’m convinced it’s a cope for mental health because any sane woman who wants a career and a family would be able to balance it

>>1321763
100% its their redemption arc

WOW, i was today years old when I realized the right girl is what my friend sees me as
>face eaten by housecats
Despite still being a virgin and generally what all these trad losers want, all because I don't wanna be a subservient housewife like the girl on the left either?

It's chilling knowing this is the outcome they want for me… What's with this insistence that the cats I love would eat my face if I died anyways? Is this like an actual thing that has happened?

>>1321735
Rob him sis

>>1321771
The first thing cats do is run away/evade situations so it’s highly unlikely your own cat would even eat your body, maybe in extreme situations but moids are so short-sighted they don’t know that people come and collect dead people’s stuff including their own pets. They’re so retarded, they project their deep fear of loneliness and anxieties on to women even though family history can be found through maternal DNA. Men are built for robustness and brute physical strength, that’s why they are mostly great with labor/trade jobs but beyond that they need a wife to give them meaning and function to their lives which is why statistically they’re less likely to die earlier than their wives when they’re in a heterosexual marriage, marriages aren’t beneficial to women in the long-term.

>>1321736
Imagine being the perfect hot 18 year old trad wife, married fresh out of high school to a frail older man, who dies years later and the rest of the money goes off to pay debts from the hospital bills and funeral, and you end up becoming an impoverished single mom that has to work several jobs, losing your looks from stress slowly while having little advancement opportunities.

Pretty much all those men, redpillers including your husband's old friends, etc., that told you to become a trad wife, or thought you should, would hate your guts and think you're trash because you're a single mother–a looming reminder of the rational consequences of relationships with men, and they desperately want to avoid the idea that it's basically hard mode and that almost all male bachelors have an easier life than you.

There's a lot of boomer women that went through this–maybe not so much their husbands dying, but often abuse, degradation (bad life events can make men become more abusive), cheating, being left at 30 for teens, etc. The honeymoon period in relationships tends to feature higher effort, care, etc, so naturally it's a gamble whether or not your partner stays consistent, so the onus is on you to work some magic to keep him around because he simply isn't motivated to be a dad nor a husband.

It's like how in certain countries it's normal for "good men" to cheat….because it turns out the bar for a man being good isn't honor, virtue, devotion, and kindness, but not actively beating his wife bloody.

Not many men like women, not many men want to build a life with a woman, most men devalue mothers and wives and what they do. What a shame.

>>1321778
Honestly it's being said because it's a high-stress and extremely morbid take that's meant to intimidate women into doing what they want. Borderline verbal abuse.

>>1321780
Kek I agree something about that tidbit puts a certain mood on my face. It’s so uncalled for? Men thrive on imagining women suffering even after death

Stop replying to the moid thread

>>1321771
Doesn't sound like a friend

Seriously, fuck all that bullshit and fuck anyone who shills it. Not sure what I'll do with my life but both "options" sound terrible

Why do they always portray the single one as promiscuous, like how this one has 3 abortions? I think most spinsters are shy or socially awkward people and have never even been on a date. And a lot of “party girls” eventually get married.

>>1321787
Kek the married tradwife probably bangs every contractor who comes to fix their house because her husband is shit in bed

>>1321787
The portrayal as single women as all super promiscuous is because the men saying it actually think sex oppresses/dominates/controls women, so it makes a woman being single even more laughable and able to be belittled. Single women having sex or not is pretty much irrelevant, besides the fact they'd be bothered if a girl chose to be chaste till the day she dies.

>>1321786
kek this, but ofc men think there's only life paths for women because they don't see us as actual people with our own personalities.

Anyway can't wait to have a stress free, peaceful life in my clean and quiet home with no husband, no kids and an easy job that doesn't take up too much of my free time. Opting out works for me.

>>1321787
because they think tradwives are pure and if you're not a tradwife mother you're a useless whore. it's all the same shit trying to guilt women.

>>1321720
Most poor women across history were working 24/7, per capita more than men, and had to in order to not fucking die. In the third world this is still the case.

Aristocratic women had the 'privilege' of not working, but they still mostly occupied their time with embroidery. Children were sent off to wetnurses and schoolmasters. They rarely saw their husbands. Their marriages were not about love.

The segment of upper middle class women during the Victorian age and expanded segment of housewives during the 1950s who looked after their own kids and had companionate marriages mostly in the USA are not representative of most of female humanity. Even in the 1950s, 39 percent of the USA labor force was female.

Western women HAD to work, especially after the Oil Crisis of 1973 that made a single wage existence close to impossible. It doesn't realistically have a lot to do with feminism when most boomer women were NOT feminists.

What scrotes want to do in these discussions is a thinly veiled disguise over their desire to live an existence like pic related where they'd be exalted and not despised. To marry a child and leave her in a boundary between life and death with his full power over her. As we can predict, the father rarely sticks around. One video here of a 22 year old Ethiopian girl says she has had 3 husbands already. 'Trad' pedoscrotes with anime and toad avatars don't want to stick around either, they are just signalling like an exotic animal so they can ruin a pure woman or child and run away over and over again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYk37j9g300
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYk37j9g300
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHTWGa75ylc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD8Tnmeba40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYPyI1agpiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m12cgvH1R9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bEl5mWokY

EVERY girl interviewed (except some of the gypsy brides) wishes she'd stayed in school and had gone to do a job instead of being preyed on by a predator. Scrotes know education is the key to children and women not being controlled by them.

These children may be fertile but are not physically developed enough in any way to carry a child to term, and won't be until their early 20s. They cannot deliver nutrients to the baby, are often physically crippled by the birth and the child is born with tons of genetic and failure-to-thrive problems. Before oral micronutrients, modern hygiene, earlier puberty induced by diet and sterilized tools, a large minority of the girls and children in these videos would be dead.

>>1321878
>men are only intereseted in getting their dick wet and not much else
whoa… what a revelation

Bump, I wanna thank anons in this thread for spreading truth, which will never be some dumbass regurgitated memepill formed by groupthink from people with not even a foot in reality

Also honestly if I got desperately lonely in old age, I'd just become a nun

I'd honestly just be a career woman just to spite whoever made that image and scrotes like him.

I love how moids constantly say that women who don't live the trad lifestyle will become single mothers when by in large, it's usually trad wives who get fucked when their husbands abandon them and leave them single mothers because now they can't take care of their children because they now need to get a job. That being said, if some women can make it work for them. From being online, i've seen that real housewives who aren't larpers are far from the submissive sex slaves they fantasise about and tend to only wear pajamas all day and have short hair.

>>1321787
True. At the end of the day a porn star is more likely to get a husband than a virginal woman who sits at home all day avoiding men.

My mom worked 2-3 days a week while raising me and my sibling. Worked fine for her. I don't want kids but if I did, I'd probably do that tbh. It would suck to be stuck at home all day with only your partner's income to rely on. Not safe either.

This thread has lead me to wonder, is raising a family on 1 (average) income even possible nowadays anyways? In my family there's multiple young Christian trad women who married and got their 1st kid at like 20 or 21 but even they work.

>>1322007
If your husband makes 100k+ a year, probably. Most moids whining and crying about that shit do not make anywhere near that amount. I find it funny how they hate gold diggers but in order for the trad lifestyle to work, you need to be a gold digger and there really isn't enough viable moids to go around. Even so, everyone should go into marriage knowing that there's a chance it won't work out and your moid will beat you up, you need to have the cleanest and quickest divorce possible and be able to support yourself afterwards.

Why would you choose this rotten 4chan scrote thread pic? Who cares about what these terminally online shut in autists think?

i have to confess that i would love to be a SAHM. when i was a NEET i was always helping my family with chores and doing errands, and i like household oriented hobbies (gardening, sewing, cooking, fixing shit up). my job is fullfiling, but it is emotional draining and has a lot of human contact, something that i can do without.

the only thing between me and SAHM life is my complete aversion to being economically reliant to someone else, especially a man. i love independence more than being a glorified NEET.

>>1322031
>I want to be a sahm
>when i was a neet

Its always the mentally ill shut ins.

>>1321778
When working in insurance I had a call from a client telling me his tenant died in the apartment he was renting, was found 10 days later and got partially eaten by his cats who were starving to near death, so it's not impossible, just unlikely.

>>1322037
only a complete retard or someone mentally ill would become a SAHM

>>1322037
Yes, and? Were you expecting an extroverted attention seeker with an aggressive obsession with girlbossing to want to stay home all day and not interact with many people?

>>1322037
NTA, but anon didn't say/do anything wrong. She literally already has a job, and explained that the reason she wouldn't be a SAHM is because she knows being economically reliant on someone else is risky. Are you a careerist annoyed that someone has the gall to admit they don't like it and would personally prefer something different? Gtfo

>>1321885
That video was so depressing, watching her give up her body and her dreams to raise a baby boy that you know will grow up to be just like his father.

Other women need to stop shaming / giving rancid remarks / directly belittling women for being in long-term relationships where you're not living in a shithole bad enough to require both working. Fml I don't give a shit if you "hurt my feelings" it's really just a waste if my damn time to read/hear. Waste of their own time too since anyone shaming women about this topic clearly doesn't have a fucking clue or a shred of real respect for women as a whole, or as individuals. Startling myopic, and also paradoxical to the cause the often claim to be behind.

>>1322031
>my job is fullfiling, but it is emotional draining and has a lot of human contact, something that i can do without.
what do you think motherhood consists of? do you think it is not even more emotionally draining?

>>1322089
this. A 9-5 job is a full time job, motherhood is an every hour of your waking life, physically and emotionally taxing job. I'm not shaming women who are or want to be mothers btw, but when women complain about their office jobs being too much I'm skeptical if they've got a realistic idea of what motherhood entails.

>>1322084
What is rancid about anyone is posting? Relationships where only the man works should be scrutinised considering the way men have abused their position as the sole bread winner across history to abuse, keep their wife obedient in fear of homelessness, etc.

>>1322116
Nta but the problem is that this supposed scrutiny often sounds a lot like shitting on women for wanting it to work out rather than criticising men for not appreciating how good they have it.

I've been the SAHM briefly, I was the breadwinner for a while, and then for 10 years I was the single working mother while studying for my career. If I had a SAHM supporting me she'd be worth her weight in gold to me and my kid. The problem isn't the role, it's men being lying scum.

You don't have to fuck your boss or have abortions to have a successful career. Work also doesn't have to be an underpaid slog at a shitty office forever either.

The problem with being a tradewife is that your husband holds all the cards and financial pull. Meaning if/when he starts mistreating you like cheating or being abusive, you're bogged down by those five kids and community reputation to the extent that you develop copes to rationalize the unhealthy relationship.

Honestly this sounds like NEET cope. Please find employment, no one asked you to be a broodmare or a cat lady.

>>1322031
I am a NEET wife and I do find it interesting how differently I'm viewed by people, now as a NEET living with my husband compared to how I was viewed when I lived with my parents
I do slightly more housework but our apartment is small so its not that much, also me ane my husband decided we don't want kids, as our genes really don't deserve to further advance, so my day is spent mostly procrastinating and not much else