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No. 1277294

a thread for online skeevy plastic surgeons, the plastic surgery industry in general and various influences who promote plastic surgery as "trends"

No. 1277295

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No. 1277296

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we should start off with what started this thread, a plastic surgeon who posted this TikTok about Natalia Dyer. talking about what kind of procedures she would do on her to make her better

No. 1277297

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>>1277296
some example of other psycho behavior

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No. 1277299

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>>1277298
last one and here's also a link to her tiktok
https://www.tiktok.com/@np.miranda?lang=en

No. 1277300

>>1277299
Demons. Demons all of them.

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No. 1277302

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>>1277301
I hate this woman so much it's unreal

No. 1277303

Thank you for making the thread, OP.

No. 1277304

>>1277296
What a fucking cunt. Isn't it widely acknowledged that this actor has an eating disorder? a grown adult woman sitting down to script a video scrutinizing a fucking teenager like this, cunt

No. 1277305

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>>1277301
>>1277302
WTF, so these are psychos mutilating children

No. 1277306

>>1277298
She had a similar face to Natalia before fillers, feel like there was some projection in that video.
>>1277304
Natalia's 27

No. 1277307

opinion on botched? i used to binge that show a lot in my teen years but the formula i've picked up on is they will bring on
(1) person in 'need' of a nosejob (sometimes after an accident sometimes because the person had a botched vanity nosejob)
(2) a crazy person with a crazy lifestyle, 2000cc implants or is a tranny whose delusions they will still feed
(3) a person who was in a crazy accident and whose life they marginally improve and you actually feel great for them at the end

and i find the doctor's personalities to be off-putting yassified twitter king kind of shit but they have their nice moments

i just watch it because i like seeing the operating but i've seen people 'stan' the doctors and shit i mean it is a reality show i guess i should've expected that i thought most people were watching for the same reason people watch pimple popping compilations but i guess not

No. 1277308

why did you make this on snow and not in /ot/ after you were told 100 times to make it in /ot/?

No. 1277309

>>1277296
This bitch isn't even a real plastic surgeon, she's a fucking nurse practitioner.

No. 1277310

>>1277300
can you not bring this shit here

No. 1277311

>>1277294
>not even 5 posts into the thread and already fighting the urge to a-log

What a trashy excuse for a profession kek. Vagina-having folx aren't allowed to just exist peacefully, wow, I'd almost forgotten for a minute!

No. 1277312

>>1277299
"People" in this scenario sound based af.

No. 1277313

>>1277296
Jesus, how can you be so aesthetically blind to think that's in any shape or form "better" than the before? What a fucking crazy blind bitch lol

No. 1277314

>>1277311
they are called women, nonnie

No. 1277315

>>1277297
>sanpaku eyes

No. 1277316

>>1277302
13?! omg–w hat the hell happened to these insane people waiting to at least 18 or 21? Society is falling. Plastic surgeons should be lynched. Maybe at one point, they helped reconstructive surgery for burn victims and women with cancer, but all this cosmetics stuff is so evil. Women are always victims to this. Why?

No. 1277317

>>1277316
why are you typing like that?

No. 1277318

>>1277314
Sorry, I forgot I was posting on autistic hub LC where sarcasm detectors don't exist

No. 1277325

>>1277318
Nah, you're just annoying

No. 1277351

Literally every single plastic surgeon I've ever met (family friends, friends, an ex) have been narcissists.

No. 1277355

>>1277302
Oh she's going to get some fantastic lumpy growths in a few years too. There's a reason ethical plastic surgeons refuse to do elective plastic surgery on children, their bodies are still changing, there's no way you can know wtf the body will end up doing to compensate until you're in your 20s. This woman is a psychopath but the kid's parents need to be in jail.

No. 1277366

>>1277296
>NP
Typical noctor behavior

No. 1277408

Glad this thread was made. I was looking into PS myself and uncovered a lot of things about certain doctors. From surgeons buying their way into magazines or awards, to lawsuits ending in patient suicide and corruption. Korean industries are a gold mine of shit too. Former Korean PS assistants and promoters have opened up about malpractice and even sexual assaults to patients while they were under anesthesia.
I can try to dig for more stuff I know later but I'm on mobile right now.

You're pretty much powerless to these narcs. Regular patient vs doctor lawsuits rarely end in the patient's favor, PS lawsuits are even worse. And many surgeons can pay to get bad reviews down or make patients sign NDAs saying they'll sue if they find out you left a bad review. Some states in the US like Florida don't have malpractice insurance either. Heinous stuff.

No. 1277533

>>1277317
Nta but it's obviously a typo you dumb bitch

No. 1277564

>>1277533
nta, type normally and calm down

No. 1277709

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No. 1277712

>>1277296
Why is she talking like that actress is a fucking sims character? The photoshopped picture is an abomination on top of that.

No. 1277716

>>1277296
what a psychopath. the actress already looks beautiful. i don't think she edited her to look better. she looks generic and uncanny in the after photo. it is sickening how plastic surgery is becoming so normalized. also why is the current trend to have no jawline? makeup and skincare trends already expect too much of women, now we'll be expected to shave off bones like trans men, and fill our faces with toxic jizz? fuck right off with that

No. 1277728

>>1277716
the "VuLnErAbLe wOmEn" (according to some retard anon on here) who get cosmetic surgery normalise it more than these whack plastic surgeons do. no one gives a fuck about dr miami except maybe trailer trash, but every 5th woman you meet having a face full of botox and filler might actually influence you.

No. 1277855

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Anyone follow Ben Talei? He's a Beverly Hills surgeon who did Kylie's work, among others. He's dating the daughter of some celebrity socialite who is more than 20 years younger than him. He gets comments like this about being a creep all the time kek.
He also supposedly pays off others to leave good reviews

No. 1277867

>>1277855
he looks like a fag in that bedazzled jacket

No. 1277878

>>1277867
Kek I've always gotten gay vibes from plastic surgeons, either from their face or dress. I'm always shocked to learn most of them are straight

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>>1277716
She looks like an uncanny egg in the fake after picture. These surgeons are always trying to give women the same face. Makes me appreciate Natalia’s square chin and jawline even more.

No. 1277972

>>1277296
>>1277297
>>1277298
This woman is terrifying and needs therapy

No. 1278021

>>1277960
its like she wants her to look like a uncanny kpoppie kek

No. 1278052

>>1278021
>>1277296
No matter how much the entire internet hates her at this moment, It can't compare to how much she likely hates herself in every fundamental aspect

No. 1278067

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>>1278021
>>1277960
Yep, I guess this is the new face shape trend. Pointy chin, cat eye, puffy cheeks.

No. 1278068

>>1278067
This is so awful. There was nothing wrong with these women before. Korea is sick in the head with their plastic surgery obsession.

No. 1278075

I hate how anytime someone photoshops a celebrity (disgusting behavior indeed) people feel the need to compliment said celebrity when most of the time if it wasn't in this very specific context they wouldn't compliment them. So hypocritical. Not everyone is gorgeous, and it's ok to say so and doesn't mean that you agree with insane people on the internet photoshopping them.

Sorry but Natalia looks haggard and ravaged by her ED. Her face shape looks weird and it's definitely because of anorexia and losing too much fat tissues in the face.

No. 1278095

>>1278068
Korean plastic surgeons are liars too. Vline is literally shaving your bones and giving your skin no support after that. They always say they have special techniques that prevent sagging or whatever but that's just not even possible. You could get vline done when you're still a teen and you'll sag.

No. 1278149

>>1278067
this will age terribly and they will have to pay for jaw bone grafts in their late 40s and 50s

No. 1278257

>>1278095
>>1278149
I also wonder what kind of effect it has on teeth, losing that much bone would fuck up the strength of your bite.

No. 1278263

>>1278067
>>1278067
I wish Korean plastic surgeons would be murdered. They are preying on women's insecurities in an already shit country.

No. 1278281

>>1278263
Anon from earlier. I can't find the video I mentioned where the ex consultant speaks out. But like I said before, it's such a dark industry. High profile doctors who sometimes don't even perform the surgeries, sexual assaults. And I'm sure they prey on vulnerable foreigners too that wouldn't be able to fight back since Korea is far away for most people

No. 1279252

>>1277855
lol at the poor woman who thought that's his daughter

No. 1279590

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>>1277307
I stopped taking this show seriously when one of the doctors became botched and lumpy himself. Also, I know it's the LA aesthetic to have super fake looking tits, but even the "after" photos of fixing people's boojobs always looked like hard bowling balls. I don't think the surgeons are particularly talented at all, the patients are just shown with makeup and careful angles to make their results look better than they actually are.

No. 1280872

>>1277307
I enjoyed what I saw of the early seasons, tried to watch the new season and they had some utterly disgusting eye cyst or growth in the intro and now I'm put off of the show altogether

No. 1363637

>>1278257
The effect is known anon, they drool and lose bite strength - some eat and drink through a straw permanently. Tooth loss and nerve injury are common. A very typical outcome is premature lower face laxity, so an early mini face lift after v-line surgery is pretty much inevitable. Also, cascading midface bone loss and shit like your eye sockets changing shape.

Btw, I think this thread could benefit from some dermatology cows. Plenty of them spam shit like "everyone should be on low dose accutane since age 5", it's wild. Ima find some and come back.

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interesting that the surgeons keep their noses

No. 1392648

>>1392086
The only one in this pic who kept their own nose is the one on the right. Also it’s common practice for many surgeons to not have the surgery they specialize in. I don’t think that’s a point of interest at all.

No. 1392893

>>1392086
Wtf is an ethnic rhinoplasty

No. 1392896

>>1392893
>Ethnic rhinoplasty is a specialized form of nose surgery in which the nose is altered to suit the patient's face without diminishing the patient's ethnic characteristics. This procedure also considers the unique external and internal ethnic features of a patient's nose
fucking hell

No. 1392907

>>1392896
why the fuck do they call it "ethnic" when its just about preserving the feautures someone may naturally have? Americans with their neurotic obsession about race are seriously mentally ill.

No. 1393002

>>1279590
Why do so many moids suck at telling plastic surgery? They'll swear up and down that they're boob experts and can spot even the slightest boob job from a mile away but swear the most obvious basketball tits are natural just because "she said so" or "she's always had those boobs"

No. 1393006

>>1393002
Definitely pornsickness, but their insanely obtuse gullibility is still crazy. I don’t fully get it.

No. 1393021

>>1392907
It's because most surgeons are not knowledgeable about different ethnic facial features other than white… Plus, the beauty standards are absolutely skewed towards "white" noses, and that consciously or unconsciously affects how surgeons operate on non-white patients. It's not a racial thing, but a fact that most surgeons are used to a white face…

No. 1393402

>>1277296
old news but she doesn't even have a grasp of what looks good, besides how disgusting it is to top of photoshopping a teenager's face. She gave her a giant chin and perma-surprised eyebrows? And everyone is supposed to give her a pass for being an asshole because she's a filler wizard? Absolutely not. The over confidence kek

No. 1398528

>>1277299
how do people that study nursery be this stupid

No. 1398535

>>1278281
yeah, they call them ghost doctors. Here's a fucked up case

No. 1413193

>>1363637
Well nonna, did you find any yet?

i'm interested

No. 1414416

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since she was discussed on the fakeboi thread, what's the milk regarding Dr Gallagher

No. 1414645

>>1414416
She has a thread in /snow/

No. 1414673

>>1414645
and on KF. she's legit crazy and dangerous with a side of being an incompetent doctor

No. 1478880

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>The caption: "bye bye my Asian eyes
fucking depressing, Asian beauty standards are scary, i really do feel bad for anyone who feels like they need to look a certain way

No. 1478897

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>>1478880
gross, now she has those bulging Serge Gainsbourg, bullfrog eyes now

No. 1478902

>>1478880
i hate when people call monolids asian eyes. also this certainly is a hackjob. i've seen many asian celebrities with eyelid surgery that look much more natural.

No. 1479002

>>1478897
Tbf it's only a day after. Her eyes are probably still swollen, it a actually looks better than how I would expect a surgery like that to look after only a day.

No. 1479003

>>1479002
that's not the point here

No. 1479199

>>1478897
the original pepe the frog

No. 1479236

>>1478880
Double eyelid surgery was invented by an American surgeon during the Korean war to make Korean prostituted women "more appealing" to the American soldiers, it's absolutely racist, misogynist and all around evil.

No. 1479242

>>1479236
most cosmetic nosejobs were heavily marketed too Jewish woman so they could assimilate better into white society

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/1844290

No. 1479244

>>1479242
Yep, and also got extended to Middle Eastern women, Iran is now the country with the most cosmetic nosejobs. Evil all around.

No. 1479256

>>1479244
Before the economic crisis, Lebanon had the highest rate for male nosejobs

No. 1479267

>>1479236
that's disgusting. I never knew the history behind that. Why do koreans do it so much then? they literally give their 16 year olds plastic surgery coupon cards for eyelid surgery like it's normal. Makes me sad how so much of them hate their natural monolids.

No. 1479269

>>1478880
Imagine hating yourself this much.

No. 1479288

>>1479269
What, like it's hard?

No. 1479302

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>>1479267
>Why do koreans do it so much then?
South Korea's first dictator Park Chung-Hee was obesseded with SK being a more "western" nation and wanted to uproot all previous forms Korean culture and identity to make Korea his ideal vision, one example is the fact despite 80% of ethnic koreans being lactose intolerant he implanted a nation wide milk program across as schools and businesses hoping it would improve the physical health and height of koreans

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>>1479302
also fun fact, the same dictator and his cronies who ruled SK almost 2 decades were mostly part of the puppet Manchukuo Imperial Army(a unit who mostly just committed ethnic cleansings in Manchuria) those that weren't WW2-era Japanese allied war criminals were responsible for some of the worst atrocities in any western allied countries
The Jeju uprising, the Gwangju massacre and the Bodo League massacre, where suspected communists were murdered without trial in the tens of thousands and that's not even mentioning the war crimes committed in Vietnam

No. 1479460

>>1479305
Hey maybe spoiler that picture nonna?

No. 1479678

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>>1478880
1-monolids give RBF
2-you need to make an inch of eyeliner and look like a panda to even see results

but in the case of your pic i think the doctor did a botched job and it looks like she has ptsosis now(which would require another eyelid surgery to fix)

No. 1479812

>>1479678
I think monolids look exotic. At least you can wear tape instead of getting invasive surgery. I have a “Jew nose” and it’s ugly by all means, I wear huge glasses to hide it and the only people who had my nose is cartoons were villains and old people. I wish I could stip worrying about what I look like, me and every other woman.

No. 1479818

>>1479812
yeah please don't refer to human beings as exotic again. i know i sound like a sensitive snowflake but i'm asian and i'm tired of hearing it. it makes me feel like an animal, though that might just be a me thing so carry on i suppose

No. 1479832

>>1479678
>monolids give RBF
I don't see males with monolids have an issue with that, what's the big deal?
>you need to make an inch of eyeliner and look like a panda to even see results
Then just don't use eyeliner? Less products to fuss about, imagine going through a surgery just so you could wear makeup.

t.extreme slavic hooded eyes

No. 1479855

>>1479818
> exotic eyes
>Jew nose
> self-esteem
I really encourage you to stop calling different features such harsh and ugly terminology it will change how you feel about yourself

No. 1479858

>>1479855
are you replying to the right post nona?

No. 1479862

>>1479812
dont call monolids exotic. It's weird af and slightly racist to hear that when they are just normal eyelids to most people.

>>1479678
You do realize other makeup techniques work, right? You really think there arent people with heavy lids and other eye shapes that do different techniques? Getting a shitty surgery for makeup is the epitome of braindead.

No. 1479871

>>1479858
Sorry I meant >>1479812

No. 1480272

>>1479812
>At least you can wear tape
eh not really, depending on how muscles on your eyelids shit might not work. Also longterm use of these tapes/glues cause premature wrinkling or ptosis/lazy eye. Also applying makeup on these tapes is not good usually and just enhances how obvious it looks

No. 1498361

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Fucking lord

No. 1498370

>>1498361
wtf is going on here?

No. 1498374

>>1498361
show the after

No. 1870371

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No. 1870389

>>1870371
ngl the masseter and trap botox sounds interesting to me as someone who suffers from chronic neck/shoulder pain and TMJ. but it seems like a quick (and expensive) fix, i'd rather use that money for physio

No. 1870413

>>1870389
Weighted shoulder exercises and generic TMJ stretch exercises help immensely and dont require thousands of pounds a year.

No. 1870418

>>1870371
How old is she? If she's much older than mid- to late twenties I'm going to be impressed, but if it's close to that it's thousands thrown away for no seeming difference lol.

No. 1870622

>>1870413
Nta but I don’t think this applies to TMJ due to teeth grinding because the damage happens while you’re asleep and you can’t do much to remedy it even if you get a bite guard to protect your teeth. I still grind my teeth like crazy despite my bite guard having some special capability to keep my jaw in the proper posture or w/e. I massage the muscles throughout the day and do exercises and my jaw muscles are still so fucking tight and so huge no matter what. I am at my wits end and will be considering botox from someone who does it for TMJ specifically. I hate the idea of it costing that much but there’s nothing else I can do at this point.

No. 1871405

>>1870371
So she chose the egg-head look? I'll never get the current standard that "pretty" women can't have nice jaws

No. 1871508

>>1870418
From what i found, she was born in 1994. Not sure if it's accurate.

No. 1873229

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>>1870371
what she looked like before the surgeries.

No. 1873235

>>1873229
I have kind of a bulldog jaw and large forehead like she had, I wish I could get plastic surgery or rearrange my bones kek. She looks really beautiful now ngl.

No. 1873258

>>1873229
I think masseter botox is a crime on most faces and she is no exception. I realize current beauty trends disagree with me but think it looks so retarded I can't believe it's popular.

No. 1873268

>>1873229
>still an attractive woman whose features suited her face
>gets plastic surgery instead of just changing haircut

I don't get it, aren't square shaped faces in nowadays? why alter yourself into a cookie cutter clone? social media and big city culture is a disease on women's self esteem

No. 1873270

>>1873268
Changing your haircut doesn’t give you a chin filling, nonna

No. 1873271

>>1873270
I don't think her chin was that bad before

No. 1873277

>>1873271
The harsh angularity of her jaw combined with the sudden dull, almost completely flat chin is kind of a lego head look, I completely understand why she felt the need to get a few fill ins

No. 1873304

>>1873277
Both jaws shapes are fine naturally, she looked good before. It's a useless procedure that doesn't actually make you more attractive 99% of the time and it didn't make her look more attractive in my opinion.
She's pretty before and after, she changed for no reason. She's shilling her job and has brainworms from it herself.
>>1873268
I blame kpop lol

No. 1873320

>>1873304
Her face does actually look a little more delicate and easier on the eyes post filler than pre. She looks like sal ramos in the before kek

No. 1874411

>>1873320
You think she looked like the Uvalde shooter…? Are you literally retarded? Genuine question.

No. 1876789

Guys kind of kooky but interesting casual watch and you can tell he actually cares about what he's talking about

No. 1897115

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Something is amiss

No. 1900736

Nightmare fuel

No. 1900775

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Kim Keon-hee’s surgeries were too perfect, bitch looks plastic af

No. 1972292

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all that pain and mutilation, just to look an IRL CGI character

No. 1972317

>>1972292
Why is a crescent moon or banana face profile becoming so desired lol

No. 1972341

>>1972292
angry eyebrow surgery lol

No. 1972449

>>1897115
wtf he actually looks amazing but imagine knowing him and seeing him age backwards like that especially if he was your dad

No. 2096514

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No. 2096520

>>1972292
What compels someone to get surgery to look like Lord Farquad

No. 2096665

>>2096514
Ghoul shit

No. 2096682

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>>2096514
Honeslty both options sound invasive as fuck and depressing, I think I would rather pay for a gym subscription, a therapist and better clothes with those 25,000 dollars, and I would still have some money left to get a better diet, a nutritionist to hold my hand and even outings with my friends.
I think I could even just use that money to kae a few weeks or even two months off work to go on a ridiculously luxurious trip to a nice city and forget about my daily woes that makes me want to save that absurd amount of money for a surgery that could kill me.
Hell, I can kill myself in zurich for 15,000 dollars if not having a "snatched" waist were to cause me such distress.

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No. 2204346

>>2204337
She literally gave the poor woman a pig nose..what the fuck

No. 2204589

>>2204337
What made her think she needs rhinoplasty… This pic is incredibly disturbing.

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No. 2273086

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horrifying

No. 2273087

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No. 2273090

>>1873268
Short faces are in. Her face is pretty long.

No. 2273095

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Beauty standards and plastic surgery in South Korea, vs. what average SK women look like. 1/2

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No. 2273109

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>>2273096
I love monolids, they make a girl look cute but fierce at the same time
Asians need to stop being so self hating

No. 2273110

>>2273096
tbh i always prefer the natural over the plastic uncanny valley look

No. 2273120

>>2273096
Every single one of them mogs the plastic surgery examples.

No. 2273129

>>2273090
the surgery made her face three times longer, so that backfired

No. 2273132

>>1876789
Let’s hope this is true because the filler thots gave so many women brainworms. It would only be fair

No. 2274244

>>1876789
I've seen this guy before. He has a really weird cadence to his speech but he does seem knowledgeable. This video reminds me of a book I read that posited bras cause cancer by impeding the lymphatic process.

No. 2274287

>>1870622
This is a really old post, but anon did you ever try the botox for your tmj? I'm desperate for relief and would love to know if it worked.



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