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No. 123374

Idk, guess I wanna know if im going through a weeb fase or not, but i've been wanting to live in Tokyo for a few years now.
I'm still in school so i'll study Japanese if I will go but if not i'll just open a bakery or something.

So anyone else actually wanna go?

No. 123375

I want to, at least for a year to test the waters. I'm some what a weeb so I guess so. My uncle lives in Japan and is a teacher there, he seems to enjoy it.

No. 123376

yes the experience wouldnt be very different from living in america

No. 123377

Yeah but to be honest from the way things seem, it's like Japan is gonna overrun someday and turn into UK/USA lol

No. 123378

>>123377
>it's like Japan is gonna overrun someday and turn into UK/USA lol

nah because most people who want to live in japan, stay there for a short period of time, start to hate it then leave.

No. 123379

OP here
(I don't know if it automatically tags me as op or not, sorry, i'm new to posting here)

I like hearing other people want to go.

At first I wanted to go to a language school for 2 years and then just continue living there, find a job and such.

then of course I realized how shitty language schools are and how everyone is complaining about them not teaching you useable Japanese, so I think i'll self study and maybe do a summer course or something. Not blow my whole savings.

I just would love to live there, I love the City and the way Japan, well, IS. The culture and such. I currently live in a suburb outside montreal. boring.

I pretty much have my mind on living there but

1) Job? Idk. I don't want to be an english teacher, i'd probably end up being a shop staff who occasionally sings weeb ass shit in akiba

and 2) My BF is kinda iffy on the idea of moving there, lol

No. 123380

>>123378

(OP)

then again this is also true and i might end up hating it

No. 123381

Japan can be pretty 'meh' depending on where you live. I stay with my boyfriend in Japan for 6 months out of the year, because my job is flexible because I work freelance and I'm completing my degree online anyways so I'm not tied down to anything. He's from Fukuoka, so obviously that's where I end up staying. I enjoy being with my bf and tons of my really good friends are in Japan, so I obviously prefer Japan. But I've never actually found myself preferring Japan for things other than that. I don't really prefer the States either. Fukuoka has a pretty nice city, but besides that, my old high school weeb self would be so disappointed.

I remember the old 'weeby version' of myself would imagine things like living in a super cool studio apartment, where the hardwood floors were all sleek and clean looking, and all the furniture is all modern and cool like you see in dramas (pretty weird thing to fantasize about I guess), but then you get here, and a lot of peoples houses are just cluttered, everything looks old, people use a lot of outdated cars, and the buildings are kind of sad looking.

Like I said, pretty 'meh' place if you are looking to be by yourself and do your own thing, but if you've got an SO or loads of japanese friends, that's where the real fun is.

No. 123382

why the fuck would you want to live in war crimes denying, anti-individualist, ultra capitalist japan?

No. 123383

>>123379

>At first I wanted to go to a language school for 2 years and then just continue living there, find a job and such.then of course I realized how shitty language schools are and how everyone is complaining about them not teaching you useable Japanese, so I think i'll self study and maybe do a summer course or something. Not blow my whole savings.


A lot of the people I know who speak great Japanese are those who busted their butt's at language schools. The people who say it doesn't work for them are the people who take the summer classes and expect to be fluent and understand their precious animu. Also, unless you are using a working holiday visa, language school = 2 year visa and you can work part time.
However, it is very expensive. But if you go to the well known schools, it's not a waste of time at all. The school will teach you everything you need to go, and if you are socializing with Japanese people and living life all in Japanese outside of school, then you will pick up 'useful japanese'.


>I just would love to live there, I love the City and the way Japan, well, IS. The culture and such. I currently live in a suburb outside montreal. boring.


Tokyo has a lot of suburbs as well, which can be very boring and mundane. You can't really escape it tbh, unless you are made of money and can afford a decent place near the city. There's public transportation of course, but it's not exactly cheap to ride the train everyday, and the cost does add up if you are constantly riding around.

>Job? Idk. I don't want to be an english teacher, i'd probably end up being a shop staff who occasionally sings weeb ass shit in akiba


If you can't speak Japanese well, the chances of you getting a regular baito will be pretty slim. Hell, even if you spoke well, if you are non-asian, they probably would have to be SOL at finding other employees. A lot of people just don't want to hire foreigners because it drives a lot of customers away, because they are afraid they might have to use English or something. Also, singing in Akiba is not exactly a common job, and not one that pays a lot. Or at all, as a lot of the girls do it as a 'hobby'. Do you have a degree OP? Even if you get a working holiday visa, a lot of schools/daycare centers would still want you to have a degree/experience (if you chose to go the whole english route)

>My BF is kinda iffy on the idea of moving there, lol


He will need a visa as well. What is he going to do? Does he have a Bachelors degree? If not, he can't get a cushy teaching job. He could get a working holiday I presume (I think Canada has them, Amerifag here, so I'm not sure), so he could work some english conversation tutoring gig. I'm not really sure about all that visa stuff, though. However, if he doesn't want to go, he will probably be miserable.

No. 123384

>>123383

(OP)

>Language school


Oh ok that's good to know, and is actually really reassuring. I just don't want to spend my money thinking I'm great at this language and then go out in the real world and no body understands what I mean ya know? I do plan on getting a student visa (2 years) if I study, so i guess that would be the best route since i'll also be allowed to work part time / baito.

>City and suburb


You're right, though I've been looking at apartments that are in the city (or close enough) That are within my price range.

>Job


I plan on studying before going to japan, and if I go to language school I will be even better. I know I won't be fluent right away but I will reach high enough level to get a small job hopefully. and lol no no don't worry I wasn't taking singing in akiba seriously. it's more of a hobby, i would never count as that for money really. I don't have my degree yet but i'm working towards it.

>BF


Yeah. And yes Canada has WH Visas. I've been talking it over with him, and he said he wouldn't mind switching his major over to english teaching so he could get an average english job in japan (He's studying medicine right now, and we both agree him being a doctor there would NOT work)

But nah. we're still deciding, I won't go if it'll make him miserable.

No. 123385

>>123382
Because my own eurotrash country has shitty socialist politics and allows way too many refugees and ISIS moles in who keep shitting up our country. If living in Japan wasn't so shitty for a westerner, I'd move there in a second.

No. 123386

>>123385
are you the same racist asshat who posted in the r/japanlife subreddit?

No. 123387

Japan is basically just like anywhere else in the world cept' it gets special treatment cos of animu and weeb

No. 123388

>>123387
it's really not

No. 123389

>>123388
how is it different? The old people are slightly more racist?

No. 123390

>>123388

it is

its a fucking country and online weebs give it special treatment

No. 123391

>>123390
it's a fucking unusual country and i'm saying that as someone who doesn't attribute a lot of good things to the word unusual in that case

No. 123392

>>123391
Anything can be unusual if you're not use to it but after a while it all becomes normal.

No. 123393

>>123392
well, anon, if you say so

No. 123394

>>123382
To get away from the incoming spic/mudslime hoards.

No. 123395

I don't get what the facination with Japan is. But if you really like it i can see why you'd want to go. I'm not keen on learning any new languages and I imagine it would be damn near impossible for me since I lack the knack and dedication.

I don't know how people do it. Yes they're just words. But after spending a lifetime using one language how do you acquire another? You people that can do it all all wizards to me.

No. 123396

I used to think I'd want to and I've been there a few times, but honestly no. I'm too individualistic and while I do like to take people into consideration, I just cannot do it at the level the Japanese can. I don't think social structure of their work environment is something I could deal with for any long period of time. And it wouldn't even be hard for me to go live there. I could denounce my US citizenship and get a Japanese one, but it would a stupid waste imo. It's fun to visit though, I think I'd only ever want to be a tourist in Japan.

No. 123397

Why the fuck would anyone want to actually go live there? You'll never integrate with the people, they'll always treat you like an outsider no matter how fluent your speech is. And it's not nearly as easy for a girl to find a nip bf than it is for a guy to find a nip gf. Have fun spending your time alone in the country.

No. 123398

>>123391
Yeah because you're fucking weeb trash

>hurr durr its speshaul cos i say so

No. 123399

>>123397
> it's not nearly as easy for a girl to find a nip bf than it is for a guy to find a nip gf

its hard for girls to find bfs in all countries. but if shes not asian she may have a better chance in japan because shes *~exotic~*

No. 123400

There's no shame in coming even if you are going through a weeb phase. For me, my weeb phase never really ended, its just calmed down a whole lot (I still watch a lot of anime, and cosplay a lot with friends back in the U.S. and enjoy going out to places like Animate and shit).

I'm studying abroad in Tokyo right now, but since it's my second time here (and in Japan in general), it's appeal is more of "meh, it's a regular city." When I first decided to come to Japan, a lot of my determination came from my old weeby love of Japan and the fact that my mum never wanted to take me here for vacation, so I brought it upon myself to finally come and experience everything my weeby self ever wanted lol. I ended up in Nagasaki first, so no Akihabara, no city life, none of that. It worked out in the end since I ended up falling in love with Japan all over again. To this day, part of me doesn't really love Tokyo because I'm so in love with Nagasaki lol.

I'll always want to come back here and am actually planning a graduation trip to come back a year after I finish up schooling in Tokyo lol… There are a lot of things about Japan's government and society that I'm not necessarily fond it, so even though I would like to work here after I graduate school, I'd never want it to be more than a few years.

No. 123401

>>123399
>but if shes not asian she may have a better chance in japan because shes *~exotic~*
That was what my post was addressing. You're wrong.

No. 123402

>>123401
In any country it's hard for girls to meet a bf and not guys just trying to hit it and quit it. Guys are the same any where.

Being single is not a good reason not to go.

No. 123403

>>123402
>In any country it's hard for girls to meet a bf and not guys just trying to hit it and quit it. Guys are the same any where.
I'm sure you've been to a lot of countries where this holds true

>Being single is not a good reason not to go.

That wasn't my point idiot, did you retard the rest of my post? You'll be treated like a outsider.

No. 123404

>>123403
No I didn't "retard" your whole post but not everyone is a widdle baby who can't handle being treated differently

No. 123405

>>123404
If you want to live in Japan without ever properly integrating with the society or be considered normal solely to pursue your manchild weeaboo interests by all means move there and enjoy the years of not having any sort of interaction with anyone outside of a "thank you" from the cashier at the local convenience store.

No. 123406

>>123405
That wouldn't be any different from my life in America but I guess for social people that'd be an issue

No. 123407

I would love to go visit for a month or two, but I live such a comfortable lifestyle here in the US it would be hard to give that up permanently. Plus I smoke hella weed, no way I would give that up

I'd love to visit Tokyo just to explore the city, see all the cool arcades and shops and restaurants and then go home.

No. 123408

No. Only a weeb would want to go live in japan without first visiting.

Story time: a few years ago a japanese student came to london and i ended up showing them around. They asked me things like about the queen and stuff- so i took them to the palace. They were very disappointed with their whole experience of london-it appears they were expecting old victorian england with people dressed elegantly and riding horse driven coaches. What they got was a very dirty and dischevled london (especially oxford street) and a shock that buckingham palace is surrounded by roads and people who were rude and pushy.

They had brought into the idea that was sold to them through tv, much how weebs see japan. Now I do think japan is probably a lot more fun than england for sure, but if you are set on living in a country you have never even visited and therefore dont really know if you can handle living there you are a complete idiot.

No. 123409

>>123394
Ahaha well you should go, just to get a taste of your own medicine "gaijin"

No. 123410

>>123408
Fucking this.

No. 123411

>>123408
I hate people who obess over a country but only see it through stereotypes. If someone says they love a country and want to visit it, that's cool, but I never understood this culture shock. When i went to Japan I knew what to expect but so many weebs come back and act like they had no idea Japan wasn't 99% anime and otaku.

No. 123412

>>123411
obsess ^

No. 123413

>>123408

YEP.

AGREED.

My Japanese friend asked me "Do you have knight in england?"

I thought he meant night as in night time lol

when I realized her meant knights as in those lads in metal amour

I got snippy and said "No, they're gone. It happened a long time ago. Hey do you still have Samurai?"

"No?"

"Well there you go :D"

No. 123414

>>123411

I am going to Japan for the first time in August. But I already know it's not a loli weeb animu land, obviously not. People live there and there is more to see than kawaii. If you're just into kawaii and pop culture, then fair enough.

But after watching vlogs, listening to stories, looking through tags, blogs, talking to people on Hellotalk and forums. Nah, Japan is pretty normal.

It's just that it's gotten popular since the kawaii baby doll idol train set off and everyone wants to go there before either they're weebs or trying to be that exotic white dolly in Japan.

No. 123415

>>123413
Haha wow. Yeah, people are morons.

No. 123416

I am currently studying in Japan and I find it really enjoyable but I didn't go there with high weeb expectations.
On the other hand, one of my friends (weeb) is highly disappointed and said it's "disgusting" simply because Japan didn't fit her idealistic image. Now she wants to go to Korea…

No. 123417

With all the crazy stories of gal hookers and host fever in /snow/, I'm surprised there aren't more people jumping on a thread like this.

Ive been to Japan many times so I pretty much have my heart set on living there if only for a brief time. Not for weeb reasons, I have friends there and I want a change especially if Trump becomes president (Amerifag here)

Is more worth it to stay in the USA until I nab a degree for a JP job? Or should I go to language school to study up and at least have 2 years?

No. 123418

>>123417
Looking online I get worried about language school because they make you prove you can financially have support there.. has anyone here done that before? What $$$ range do they look for?

No. 123419

>>123418
They do that everywhere though. Don't know how sheltered yanks are but most people who study abroad have to prove they have x amount in their bank account and insurance paid for in order to be granted a student visa

No. 123420

Living in japan is awfull, unless you are rich.

No. 123421

>>123419
I mean honestly no, most study abroad programs at actual 4 year schools can be forgiving and they even accept things like student aid or scholarships to help with costs.

I was wondering what price/support range private language schools in JP seek, they're different than regular Unis in that they don't grant degrees for your time.

No. 123422

>>123374
I studied there for 1 year in undergrad, and love Japan because of the structure and sense of routine (also all of the tourist areas, since many Japanese don't travel outside the country, each town/city has lots of cool things to visit and see).

Not sure about living there though, because foreigners aren't treated as well by the younger generations (the older 70+ generation is awesome though!) so I don't see the point getting lower salary etc. (I'm highly skilled and entering graduate school next year) when I could scoot over to China and get treated/paid better than the locals.

No. 123423

>>123422

How come the older generation likes foreigners better?

No. 123424

I really do want to do the whole year-in-japan thing but I won't deny it's because I'm a weeb.
I went there on holiday expecting it to be horrible, expecting to have all my weeb dreams smashed and to be treated badly by the locals, but actually it was exactly what I wanted. Sure, Harajuku is dying and everything is Americanising but I really enjoyed all the cafes, food specialities, mascots and general kawaii stuff. Also I've read so much about the host club addicted snowflakes that honestly I'm curious at least about some of the nightlife.
I just want to live there long enough that I could explore the cities a bit more, I'm sure I would get over it after a year. The actual life of working overtime for free and general gender/foreigner role fuckery means I would never be there long term.

No. 123425

>>123423
Because they're too old to run into all the online weeb cringe videos/stories.

No. 123426

>>123422
If you don't mind me asking, where did you study? My university has an exchange agreement with UTokyo and I'm thinking about it, but I don't think my Japanese is good enough.

No. 123427

>>123384
This is a joke right? Like this is a troll? Who would seriously switch over from a medical degree to a teaching degree just to follow their girlfriend to another country? Actually just in the hopes of maybe getting to follow her to another country..

No. 123428

I did a year, it was fun.
I don't think I'd want to live there long term, maybe a year or 2 again. If I were to work there it'd have to be a western company, and yeah, no crazy work hours.

I actually really like the food, and I like the amount of choices you have there, the 7/11 food you can just pick up on the go. But it's hard to make real friends, so, yeah idk.

No. 123429

>>123424
Go for it. There's still a 50/50 chance that actually living there will smash all your weeb dreams like it does to many other disenchanted weebs but if you decide on only a year, you should be okay.

No. 123430

Do any of you who have tried studying for a year or 2 have any tips on applying or schools they recommend?

I know you can only work up to a certain number of hours with either student or spouse visa, so wondering how much one would need to save.

No. 123431

>>123423
>>How come the older generation likes foreigners better?

I believe it has a lot to do with the 60's-80's period of western influence. Japanese adults at that time experienced Japan during its economic bubble, and western culture had a lot more influence than today (think the Elvis haircuts). Louder and rowdy behavior was much more acceptable than today, extroverts were much more common than today. I would say Osaka and Okinawa come closest to how Japanese behaved during the bubble. With energy, spirit, liveliness etc.

Unfortunately, after the bubble burst, people became more depressed and seem to have regressed into their own culture/themselves. Fitting in has become much more strict, with many outward (fashion) subcultures dying down even in Tokyo. I wouldn't say young people are jerks, but they cannot compete with the older folks imo. If the old folks could become young again, I'd probably move there in a heartbeat.

Of course, this is just my experience. I've met people who hate the older Japanese and think the younger generation is nicer.

>>123426
>>If you don't mind me asking, where did you study? My university has an exchange agreement with UTokyo and I'm thinking about it, but I don't think my Japanese is good enough.

I studied in the very south, but spent at least 1/4 of my time in Kyoto (Kyodai). If your school has an agreement with UTokyo, I'd recommend you take advantage of it. It's the best school in Japan and Japanese will find it extremely impressive that you study/studied there, and that can be useful if you decide to stay there after uni.

No. 123432

>>123381
I thought the same "meh" feelings. The cities look so much better at night. During the day, everything looks in need of a serious power-wash.

I do love the efficiency, overall cleanliness, and the politeness in doing things is very refreshing compared to America, everyone dressed well above American standards…there's so many positive things, and yet I don't know that I'd permanently call it home.

There's a lot of obvious negatives to American culture, but I'm almost always leaning 60/40 towards liking America better.

My extended Japanese Family is pretty wealthy but even leaning towards the elite-er side, you don't feel all that fun fanfare you get with American "wealth". You get better food but the pole up your ass has to grow to accommodate what people are expecting of you.

No. 123433

>>123432
>The cities look so much better at night.

That's basically every East Asian metropolis, and it's what people miss when they jizz themselves over the whole "cyberpunk aesthetic". At street level shit's pretty ugly, though admittedly very clean and efficient.

No. 123434

>>123388
To be fair, I've spent time in the region before I headed off to Japan, and Japan isn't actually that amazing if you're already spent time in Korea, the better parts of mainland China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan etc. I'm not saying Japan isn't damn awesome in some ways, what I'm saying is that for a lot of you it's your first experience of a non-shithole country that is truly different to anywhere in Western Europe and North America. As a result, you attribute that novelty value to an innate uniqueness of the country itself, which in some ways is true (Japan took elements of Tang Dynasty culture, aspects of their own native culture etc and really did make them their own), but in other ways is just people assuming that the novelty they're experiencing is something intrinsic to the Japanese culture.

This is fine, but I do get annoyed with those same fantasists and apologists that you’ve spoken to and about, those who might say that the dreary skyline of Osaka is one of the world’s greatest or that the view from the window of a shinkansen hurtling between Osaka and Tokyo is one of the top scenic rail experiences. But this phenomenon has been going on for a very long time – one only needs to read some of Basil Hall Chamberlain’s accounts from over a century ago to see how little has changed in this regard. Here's a classic example:

>"…Europe and America evince a singular taste for the marvellous, and find a zest in self-depreciation. Our eighteenth-century ancestors imagined all perfections to be realised in China, thanks to the glowing descriptions then given of that country by the Jesuits. Twentieth-century Europe finds its moral and political Eldorado in distant Japan, a land of fabulous antiquity and incredible virtues. There is no lack of pleasant-mannered persons ready to guide trustful admirers in the right path. Official and semi-official Japanese, whether ambassadors and ministers-resident or peripatetic counts and barons, make it their business to spread a legend so pleasing to the national vanity, so useful as a diplomatic engine. Lectures are delivered, books are written in English, important periodicals are bought up, minute care is lavished on the concealment, the patching-up, and glossing-over of the deep gulf that nevertheless is fixed between East and West. The foreigner cannot refuse the bolus thus artfully forced down his throat. He is not suspicious by nature. How should he imagine that people who make such positive statements about their own country are merely exploiting his credulity? HE has reached a stage of culture where such mythopoeia has become impossible. On the other hand, to control information by consulting original sources lies beyond his capacity."

No. 123435

>>123432
>I don't know that I'd permanently call it home

I couldn't call any country home that will never accept foreign immigrants and residents as their own.

No. 123436

>>123435
That's… most of the world outside of France, Germany, Britain and North America.

And look how well that's working out for them…

No. 123437

>>123436
This lel
>>123435
What do you want them to do, pretend that they're 100% Japanese even though they're very obviously not? Sorry to break it to you but the population of most of the world's countries is made up of locals who have lived there for centuries and developed a local culture as a consequence. You can adopt said culture and assimilate, but if you don't have similar experiences as them (which is hard if you've been born and raised elsewhere) PLUS obviously look and sound different, you'll never be considered a local. Like no, I'd never consider a black man a native Finn or Norwegian, sorry. Even if you're of Finnish heritage but born elsewhere you'll never really be Finnish unless you moved back home as a young child or maybe teenager. This 'everyone is a local' concept is uniquely American, created mostly as an excuse for their bloody past.

No. 123438

>>123437
The "but what if they integrate?" example is entirely hypothetical.

There isn't a single historical polity on earth where a demographically significant group of people moving into that land and settling it has resulted in them "fully integrating". Doesn't matter whether it was Angles, Saxons, Chinese in what is now Southern China, Japanese migrants to what was then Ainu land, South Asians in the UK, North Africans in France etc.

The "what if they integrate?" think is academic time-wasting. Because unless you're dealing with tiny, demographically insignificant numbers of people who are overwhelmed by the sheer weight of the majority and progressive inter-marriage over the space of a few generations (think of the few Eurasians who existed in 1900s Japan and imagine their descendants today), then no, "full integration" has literally NEVER happened.

No. 123439

I know this was asked already, but any tips on applying for language schools?

I guess most people have parents who can sponsor them for the portion where you prove you have means to live abroad, but I'm independent. I'm saving money but I want to hear personal experiences because I really don't know what they look for.

No. 123440

>>123437
> This 'everyone is a local' concept is uniquely American, created mostly as an excuse for their bloody past.
yea it's the 'melting pot' concept that is meant to include everyone as american and yet we have the tightest security, strictest immigration policy, and anyone that does immigrate probably sinks into their niche community anyone. it's not like all the hispanics, chinese, indians, and koreans just blend in with all the white people. no they have their own communities.
same in japan with the expat communities. immigrants don't actually assimilate into a country. they just make due.

No. 123441

>>123439
I read somewhere 20-30k but is this actually true?

No. 123442

>>123439
Ask you bank to make a letter for you. I did that, basically showing the bank balance is illegal so the bank isn't actually allowed to do that, and you can just make them write you a letter that you are in good standing within the bank.

Then if you do go there's usually a bunch of scholarships you can apply for and even if not as long as you save up you can do the whole teach english to older men and you can make a decent amount of money that way.

No. 123443

>>123442
This is so helpful anon, thank you!



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