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No. 9088

Can we get a true crime thread that doesn’t delve into what serial killers you want to fuck?

Talk about things you find interesting
>Unsolved Mysteries
>Overrated Killers
>Favourite Podcasts
>Zodiac or EAR//ONS?
>Have you watched Mindunter?

No. 9089

>>9088
I want to learn more about female accomplices. Specifically, are there any cases of a woman who was kidnapped/abused and then helped the guy continue his crimes?
Also, thoughts on the Florida shooter/shooting?

No. 9090

>>9089
Most narcissistic types tend to convince their partners and make them disposable for their own use.

Change that to the narc wants to murder someone.


Although there are different cases where is just two very damaged people that want to do more damage.

No. 9091

Not what you requested, but check out Rose West for a female murderer. She worked with her husband but she was certainly not an accomplice.

No. 9092

>>9089
Karla Homolka, was given a light sentence claiming abuse and instruction by her partner Paul Bernado. However, I feel like that she's just as sick if not more than him because she decided to let me rape and kill her sister together.

She was never really the victim though and she wasn't a target when they met either esp. since he liked her like for sadism.

No. 9093

>>9089
A lot of women generally involed in a couple-crime thing have been abused and manipulated by the guy to get in that position. As an anon above suggested you could try Fred and Rose West. You could also check out David Parker Ray, the toybox killer, who used his daughter to bring him victims.

You may find Myra Hindley and her dynamic with Ian Brady interesting.

If you haven't already seen a documentary on Mary Bell, she was a child who with a less intelligent child accomplice,murdered a young boy. the documentary is very gripping. I can provide links on some of these if you like.


I have been re-reading EAR/ONS stuff and it always gives me chills. Especially the audio recordings of his voicemails. Him and David Parker Ray are the two that really freak me out.

No. 9094

>>9092
*let him
Gross

No. 9095

Guys what are your favourite true crime documentaries? thank you

No. 9096

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>>9095
not really a documentary, but watch the tv show most evil with dr. michael stone. Really good episodes, but some of them are receptive.

No. 9097

>>9091
Not exactly a documentary but Manhunt: Unabomber was really good.

No. 9098

Has anybody else who religiously listened to Last Podcast on the Left for years started to notice a drop in quality? It takes me three days to get through a single episode because I really just wish they would stop overdoing all the fuckery and get to the point. I used to laugh out loud at it all the time, but I can't tell if I've just outgrown it or they genuinely have started overdoing it. Anyway, so I'm looking for new LPOTL-esque podcasts. I've listened to Sword+Scale and Generation Why before, but I really do prefer to have somewhat of a comedic element involved. What are you guys' favorites?

Also, not sure if this counts as true crime but if you guys haven't watched the Waco miniseries yet you seriously should. It was incredible. I was wholly unprepared for how the last episode wrecked me emotionally.

No. 9099

>>9098
really? I felt like it got better as time moved along. A lot more structured and clearer. The casey anthony episodes were really good tbh.

i've heard mixed reviews on waco. who is portrayed the worst on it, ADF or Koresh?

No. 9100

>>9099
I did enjoy the Casey Anthony episodes because I was really caught up in that case when it happened but prior to that I just kind of lost interest. Maybe it's just me not catching interest in their latest topics or something. I just feel like the voices/jokes are dragged on for too long and it makes it annoying to listen to. Though Marcus' research has become way more detailed and expansive over time, I agree.

As far as Waco, it's kind of hard to explain. I feel like at different parts throughout the series they were either extremely heavy handed implying the ATF was completely at fault, while other parts they would seem to be focusing on Koresh as calculating at worst and neglectful at best. For the first four or so episodes it seems like they focused on humanizing and sympathizing the Branch Davidians and Koresh himself, and it definitely seems like they were setting it up for the ATF to be portrayed as the bad guys and the BD to be saints. They seemed to gloss over all of the accusations against Koresh and when it was mentioned, it wasn't portrayed in as bad of a light as I would have preferred personally. The main negotiator was portrayed as the overall good guy who really tried but was constantly battling with himself as to what the right thing to do would be. But then in the last two episodes, it evened out a bit until the very end. There's a powerful moment in the last few minutes of the last episode that reveals a strong bias so you can take from that what you will. Overall I think they did a decent job showing that the ATF and FBI made some fatal mistakes and didn't think things through, or got fed up to the point where they weren't keeping the victims best interests in mind, but at the same time, Koresh and his people had numerous opportunities after the initial altercation to slowly file out or save the children and they kept putting it off and putting it off or going back on their word until it was too late.

TLDR; both sides were portrayed as being in the wrong at different times throughout the series. I'd say the authorities were portrayed worse overall. They didn't go that hard on Koresh himself, but I chalk that up to the series being mostly about the siege itself and not the lifestyle and actions of Koresh beforehand.

No. 9101

reading wikis is really interesting. the persons who mysteriously disappeared list is cool. it has unsolved and solved cases.

No. 9102

>>9089
Not exactly the situation you described, but if you haven't done any reading on Karla Homolka you might find her interesting.

No. 9103

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I'm so annoyed that people called the Buckskin Girl's alleged family and sperged at them. They reported her missing back in the day, but the file was (probably) lost in the 37 years since then. Had people acted civil, the family might have opened up to the public with the details of what might have happened. Fucking spergs ruining things again. Now the family has asked people to redact all their names and the information they shared, to the point that they've had to remove their personal social media.

It's an open murder investigation, like that isn't hard enough on the family. It's all unofficial anyways, until the police confirm the DNA match too. Some people are even doing the "nah this is a Barbara streisand effect, don't censor the people, muuhhh riiights!". Fuck you and your rights, none of us know the real circumstances.

Why are true crime fans such awful spergs with their pRoFeSsiOnaL oPiNioNss and autistic obsession (like how some spergs end up wanting to fuck serial killers jfc)?

No. 9104

Belle Gunness is super interesting to me. look her up if you don't know who she is but she's fucking scary and killed her own children for money.

No. 9105

>>9103
I had a feeling Buckskin Girl would never be identified so it’s great her family is identifying her

No. 9106

>>9105
Yeah, she got identified by a third party lab through GEDmatch and the family had been contacted. The family originally shared information, as they found out her case was very famous. Then the spergs came in and screeched, so they had to delete everything.

No. 9107

>>9104
thanks anon, that was a wild ride.
She accumulated almost 6.5 million dollars through killing. Staged her own death and was never caught. Boggles my mind. This is a horrifying story but I would lie if I said I'm not impressed by how she managed to get out of this unscratched, with huge fortune

No. 9108

>>9088
>>9098
the creator of sword & scale, mike boudet, deserves his on lolcow thread tbh. there was a facebook group about him for a while but it switched to private and i can't find it. he's truly insane. podcast was really good quality until he started inserting his own opinions in towards the end.

podcast recs though: true crime garage (has some comedic element but not slapsticky like LPOTL, can't stand that pod) although the captain can get a bit annoying, atlanta monster, dirty john, criminal, up & vanished, casefile is also excellent

No. 9109

>>9103
That poor fucking family. People are such lunatics. Having been there myself, I have to say that dealing with crazy true crime fans and weirdly obsessed people makes having a missing or murdered person in your life a thousand times worse. On the extreme side of the scale, they're accusing people with zero or weak evidence. On the less intense side, they're doing shit like contacting you online or coming up to you in public and asking you all sorts of questions about what the victim was like, if you can give them any details not released to the public, who you think did it, etc and telling you their (usually retarded) theory of what happened. It's the most autistic shit I've ever been exposed to.

No. 9110

Has anyone else read Ian Brady's book? He's hilariously pretentious

No. 9111


No. 9112

>>9110
what's it about?

No. 9113

>>9103
>Why are true crime fans such awful spergs with their pRoFeSsiOnaL oPiNioNss and autistic obsession (like how some spergs end up wanting to fuck serial killers jfc)?
This, I don't get why people can't be interested in true crime but be fucking civil and sensible about it. I used to follow a forum dedicated to discussing crime cases but people there got so fucking spergy every thread was derailed into infighting and retarded, nonsensical theories.

As for the serial killer stans, I remember a local girl who adored a school shooter (he shot himself after the shooting) so much that she visited his grave to bring flowers and fucking chocolate, and stood there talking and singing to him. She came across an ex-close friend of the shooter who was at the grave to pay his respects and the girl got excited, asking him about the details of the shooter's life and announcing how happy she was to meet his friends, like talking about a celebrity. Really messed up. I believe she was planning to shoot up a school herself but was caught by the police at the last minute.

No. 9114

http://ancestrysisters.blogspot.ca/2013/08/was-mary-doefour-really-anna-myrle.html?m=1

i recently read this and it was very haunting. i really wish there were more updates on the case, but it's more than likely never going to get solved.

No. 9115

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I hate most people who are into true crime because they’re all interested for gross reasons and are total edgelords to boot, Peter Sotos is a great writer but he’s a perfect example of this. He wrote the foreword for the Ian Brady book, Ian Brady being one of the most grotesque pigs with delusions of grandeur.

Anyhow, the case that I think is most interesting/depressing is the Sylvia Likens case. It’s especially fucked because a bunch of the kids who participated got online in the early aughts and started posting on message boards. They’re huge fucking horrorcows with orbiters who protect the hell out of them, one of Gertie’s daughters was going around saying how Sylvia was actually an awful person and sort of deserved it, they’re total shits.

The case itself inspired some horrific fiction, too, namely Let’s Go Play at the Adams’ and The Girl Next Door. I know they tried to make the Baniszewski house into a home for runaway girls at one point but the mojo there was just too bad. It ended up being demolished.

If you want to see some of the fuckery that her kids engaged in you can go to

http://fortheloveofsylvia.blogspot.com/2013/11/was-stephanie-gulity.html

Really nasty people.

No. 9116

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I have been lurking in the True Crime Community for some time on tumblr (for info, not wanking to killers). It's clear how it's about the sexual appeal of those degenerates for most people in it AND the glorification of male violence. Cases where a women was a perpetrator never get any attention.

It made me sad to have no-one to talk to about Parker-Hulmes murder, as I am obsessed over it. It's also as mainstream as they come, with several books written on it and a fucking Peter Jackson movie made. The teenage murderers are also extremely relatable (beyond the murder, of course).
Not to mention that one of them became a famous crime fiction writer years after the murder.

If those were two fanfiction-writing boys murdering a mother of one of them in order to be together forever, they would have a fandom more obsessed than Columbiners (yikes).

No. 9117

Oh god yes.

It's good to try to understand as much as possible about the circumstances and ideologies that motivate people to break the social contract and harm others, if even just for screening purposes in our own personal lives (does anyone else regard all new people, especially dudes, in their lives as potential killers/rapists until sufficient evidence suggests otherwise? No? Just me? lol) but "True Crime" communities are full of borderline-to-overt fetishizing and moral ambiguity and it makes them creepy af.

One of the most interesting solved crimes imo is the Mont Vernon thrill killings. Christopher Gribble is an extremely eager-to-share killer. I can't tell what his motivations are, but I find it interesting how he was dismissed by the court and media as "just wanting attention" when he seemed to genuinely want to offer up insight into his psyche and why he turned out the way he is. Regardless, his dead eyes and unsettling candor will give you chills.

No. 9118

>>9117
>does anyone else regard all new people, especially dudes, in their lives as potential killers/rapists until sufficient evidence suggests otherwise? No? Just me?
That's just being rational. You never fucking know.

No. 9119

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>>9116

Thank you for bringing up how female killers are regarded, anon. I share your fascination with the Parker-Hulme case. At the time the case was widely covered by the media, but it did not have a following until the film renewed interest.

The only case of female teen (attempted) killers in recent times that has captured a comparable amount of media attention is that of Anissa Weier and Morgan Geyser. Do they have a fandom of the sort that their male counterparts attract?

Adult female killers seem to consistently be regarded by men as "crazy bitches". They are only romanticised when they committed crimes as part of a romantic duo with a man.

No. 9120

>>9115
I saw the movie with Ellen Page, and then did my research into the deets and man those kids were rotten.

I tried to read the blog you linked but tbh it's formatted horribly and I don't really care for the commentary in bold after every quoted paragraph. On mobile it's really confusing to read.

No. 9121

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Daniel and Manuela Ruda, self-avowed Satanists, killed a male friend on a coffin in their home as a sacrifice and to drink his blood.

Throughout their court appearances, both of them played up their dark image to the hilt, irreverently mocking the proceedings and flashing devil horns at the officials and media alike.

http://crimefeed.com/2017/02/killer-couples-daniel-and-manuela-ruda-germanys-satanic-vampire-slayers/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3674781/satanist-killer-who-butchered-friend-in-coffin-to-drink-his-blood-is-back-in-court-charged-with-plotting-to-kill-his-ex-wife/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4477030/satanist-butchered-friend-in-coffin-come-back-to-uk/

No. 9122

>>9110
Oh lord I have, Brady and Hindley used to interest me but after reading his book I realized he's really nothing more than a narc with hilarious delusions of grandeur and lost all interest in the case.

No. 9123

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does anyone have rare images you don't see posted often of serial killers? pic related i've never seen this colored picture of bundy till recently

No. 9124

I am not interested in learning about serial killers anymore except unsolved ones. I agree they're so glorified in the truce crime community it's gross. I honestly could not care less about them, just their victims. I have read/listened to podcasts about them before though, but now it's just like I get that most of the time they've had shit happen to them but I do not care - they don't deserve sympathy or attention after the fact. Like I wish the media would spend more time remembering the victims after a while instead of every update of their retarded killers.

No. 9125

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>>9088
Just watched a doco about this cunt I'd argue he's the sickest shithead I've ever learned about. They should've gave the guy who smashed his skull in prison a medal.

It's still insane how the guy consecutively got away with some gruesome ass murders even in the face of police.

No. 9126

>>9125
Your straya is showing

No. 9127

>>9126
Lolno being fluent in English and saying cunt doesn't make someone automatically an aussie.

No. 9128

>>9119
OMG, I am so happy that another farmer is interested in Parker-Hulme! Have you read So Brilliantly Clever aka Anne Perry and the murder of the century? This is the definitive take on the case which answers pretty much all questions and reveals plenty of detailes about girls' life and friendship. I was so glad to finally find out WHY they fought that Honora was the obstacle to them being together forever. Finding out the reason (Juliet's parents bullshitting the girls that they have already bought the ticket for Pauline to go with them, but Honora is not agreeing for Pauline to go even though they had zero intention of taking Pauline with them as they were sick of the drama, the alleged homosexuality of the girls and they didn't consider Pauline a family at all) made me realize Peter Jackson didn't reveal it in the movie in order to not partially shift the blame to the Hulmes.

I wish I could get my hands on Pauline's diary and the girls' novels (even though they were pretty bad/avarage according to Henry Hulme). I am so fascinated by their imagination and self-indulgence. I have compilated a list of the novels and movies that have inspired them (all mentioned in So Brilliantly Clever) and I'm going to read/watch them all.
How do you feel about Anne Perry and Hilary Nathan?
Omg, I wish I could talk with you about the case. Got discord or a throwaway email address?

No. 9129

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>>9119
>>9128
Sage for samefag, but recently here in Poland there was a very huge case of Zuzanna Maksymiuk aka Maria Goniewicz - an 18 y/o Instagram 'poet' murdering her boyfriends' parents (with his help). It's very similar to the Hulme-Parker case:
>parricide
>one of the murderers (Maria/Juliet) has an academic parent
>the murderer is an intelligent, creative girl who seems to be highly emotional (writing novels/poetry)
>idiotic and brutal murder that is so badly planned that the police catches the perpetrators immediately
>the murderer whose parents get killed becomes ashamed and realizes what they've done (or it seems), the other one continues doing their shit (Maria is still writing poetry behind the prison walls, Anne Perry is extremely prolific writer. Both seem to act like sociopaths in how little emotion and guilt they feel about the murder)
>obvious, but - the murderous couple gets separated immediately and probably will never see each other again

Also Maria had a relationship with a 2 years younger girl (in middle school) and was sent to trail for it.

I will happily tell you more about the case if you are interested.

No. 9130

>>9129

>I will happily tell you more about the case if you are interested.


ntayrt but please tell more about this case.

No. 9131

>>9130
Sure! Give me a day or two to compile information and translate it. I have a weak memory, so I have to reread articles for the details and accuracy.
Glad someone else is interested.

No. 9132

>>9127
sorry for the slight derail, ntayrt but the straya is showing through "doco", not cunt.

>>9129
I just wanted to post about it! ahah
What really hit me is that the mother had escaped, they chased her and knifed her on the doorstep… (they attacked boy's parents in their bed, sleeping)

More to add, the girl had a really strong personality, she was edgy and overly tumblr artistic, and the boy was considered quiet and gentle. It was her idea to kill his parents, who didn't approve of their relationship. Honestly, it still baffles me how she managed to influence him. Like how do you persuade someone that the best solution to the problem is fucking knifing the parents in their sleep…? What the fuck were they thinking

No. 9133

>>9125
Anyone who perpetuates the theory that he wasn't a real sociopath and felt real remorse for killing is a moron tbh. I feel sorry for his father, he seems like he wanted the best for his son only to find out he was a cannibal.

No. 9134

>>9129
By any chance do you follow the Kajetan P case too? I'm interested to see whats gonna happen to him

No. 9135

>>9133
A while ago I read Derf’s comic about him and it’s weird to see Dahmer’s opinion on his school life and friends (in the interview with his dad, he acts like it was completely normal) compared to how Derf and the other classmates saw him.

No. 9136

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Good to see other polanons there.
Thread kinda reminded me of Urszula Olszowska, who left her home saying she's going to meet friend in Kraków's old town, only to be found dead 120km away in mountains.
It is said that she commited suicide or had an accident, yet then it's weird how she was nearly naked, with her clothes being scattered around the place.
It's also unofficially known that her jaw was broken and some teeth were missing.

No. 9137

crime documentary fan here!! i recently started listening to “Timesuck with Dan Cummins”, a podcast on itunes (and Spotify i believe) where Dan Cummins covers different topics every week that usually center around different murderers, cults, and unsolved mysteries. i know it doesn’t fit the thread to a t, but a lot of other anons might enjoy giving it a listen. (His podcast on Dahmer gave me chills of disgust.)

No. 9138

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RIP Marcia King of Arkansas aka Buckskin Girl, the Police had a press conference today and they confirmed her identity. A bit over a week from being 37 years unidentified, she finally got her name back thanks to the DNA Doe Project.

The mother had lived 35 years in the same address, with the same phone number, hoping that Marcia will show up one day. So heartbreaking.


http://www.whio.com/news/local/miami-county-sheriff-office-release-new-details-1981-unsolved-homicide-case/fmfdENjXMReEHV5VZGPcpI/

No. 9139

>>9138
I’m so used to seeing her as Buckskin Girl. It really is amazing to see her identified. It’s horrible that she only lived to be 21…

No. 9140

>>9138
I'm glad her mom at least got some closure
Its great we have the technology to do this now

No. 9141

>>9138
So sad. It's wonderful to see a picture of her that's vibrant and full of life. RIP Marcia King.

No. 9142

>>9140
According to this article, her family never even reported her missing.

No. 9143

>>9140
They may have thought she ran off. Her mother stayed in the same location and never changed her phone number for years in hopes of her daughter returning, why are you such a cunt? Closure is nice to have regardless of their response.

No. 9144

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>>9143
>why are you such a cunt?

What? Did you mean to reply to another anon or

No. 9145

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>>9144
Oops, I meant to respond to >>9142

No. 9146

>>9138
I'm so heartened she was identified. I've been following that case for a while and I'm glad what was left of her family got closure.
Another Doe I hope is identified is the Belle Chasse John Doe. His suicide letter is haunting.

No. 9147

I find true crime interesting and wish I could watch more documentaries but I am extremely disgusted by crime scene photos. Even blurred out ones creep me out.
A lot of Japanese cases interest me since there are usually some kind of societal issues attached to them. For instance, you'll see killers who were ostracized by their community or had their emotional outbursts ignored, more so than western criminals. And when they DO snap, everything but their mental state or what their neighbors did to them or their family problems will be looked into. It's horrifying. I'm not saying anything should be excused, though.

No. 9148

>>9147
why not try true crime podcasts? There are loads out there

No. 9149

>>9142
She was 21 and the family says they did try to file a police report. The articles don't mention it since police say they have no paperwork left, aka the claim can't be proven. A lot of the articles talking about this make the family look bad to sensationalize it. The Dailymail one is the worst offending article.

Judging by the mother staying at the house with the same number, it is obvious she did report Marcia missing at one point and deeply cared for her. Before the family deleted their social media, her half brother was posting on Facebook how heartbroken they all were. He also talked about how they had hired a private investigator in the past to try and find her with no avail.

>>9145
As said, there's no reason to be a cunt about it. The family is going through hell right now, getting to know Marcia was murdered all those years ago and people blaming them for it.

No. 9150

>>9149
Forgot to add this, the only reason why the identification was so fast after the original GEDMatch to the second cousin?

The second cousin doing genealogy knew Marcia was missing. The whole extended family was aware that Marcia was missing, and had tried to find her for decades.

No. 9151

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>Create "Gun trace task force" since your gun control is working well enough to be the butt of every murder joke that isn't about detroit
>It's actually just a police sanctioned IRL gank squad
http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/crime-law-justice/law-enforcement/gun-trace-task-force-ORGOVV00038-topic.html

No. 9152

>>9111
wow TY anon

No. 9153

>>9147
japan is interesting in general, but i agree. things like the junko furuta murder just speaks to how fucked up their society is.

No. 9154

>>9147
>For instance, you'll see killers who were ostracized by their community or had their emotional outbursts ignored, more so than western criminals.
>And when they DO snap, everything but their mental state or what their neighbors did to them or their family problems will be looked into.

Sounds like America lately tbh

No. 9155

>>9148
I'm definitely going to look for some now starting with the ones mentioned in this thread. Tbh, I keep forgetting podcasts exist.

>>9153
Junko's death makes me cry. The story of the police officers not investigating fully the first time made me sick or the parents who knew she was in the house but did nothing because of their son's yakuza conncections.
There was a case in 2014 of a girl who decapitated a classmate and while her hobbies included disecting animals, the usual games/internet were blamed. Mental health in general is so ignored in places like Japan and S.Korea that it's a wonder there aren't more incidents.

No. 9156

>>9153
Yeah, and it's the same country where the age of consent can be as low as 13, and where cp was legal until 2014

No. 9157

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Does anybody have a tcc account on tumblr? I've noticed over the years that columbiners have been becoming less crazy, surprisingly. I was scrolling through my dash today, and thankfully most of the 4/20 posts were about the victims, not eric&dylan. Weird how this is happening when cruzers are still out there

No. 9158

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Is anyone planning to see the movie about Ted Bundy starring Zac Efron? I’m wondering how they plan on portraying him and if this is going to make people gravitate to true crime for the wrong reasons.

No. 9159

A suspect is in custody for the East Area Rapist. Here's a reddit link of all the info

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/8es4cx/east_area_rapistoriginal_night_stalker_officially/

No. 9160

>>9159
Jesus! Thanks anon, I've been obsessed with this case for so long but I haven't looked it up in a while.

No. 9161

>>9159
Oh my fucjing god I check the Earons sub regularly and I only find out about it here lmao. Holy hell

No. 9162

>>9159
Apparently the little bitch is on suicide watch since he got found out. I hope he rots

No. 9163

>>9159
Holy fucking shit thank you anon!! Literally my only daily subreddit and I find out about this on LC lmao

No. 9164

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For once a captured killer is not described by neighbors as a quiet unassuming guy whom no one noticed.

The Mail loves nothing more than a gruesome crime story. They are running several detailed articles today.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5657893/Neighbors-suspected-Golden-State-Killer-72-speak-shock.html

No. 9165

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A British woman has been convicted of garroting, stabbing and burying the body of an autistic teenager in Western Australia.

Jemma Lilley, previously of Stamford, Lincolnshire, murdered 18-year-old Aaron Pajich at her home in Perth, burying him in a shallow grave and covering it with concrete and tiles.

Lilley said she wanted to kill someone before she turned 25, and once she had ticked off murder from her “bucket list” she was so “full of herself and euphoric” that she could not help boasting to a work colleague, prosecutor James McTaggart told the court during the four-week trial.

The 26-year-old, who was convicted alongside 43-year-old housemate Trudi Lenon, had previously written a book about a serial killer called SOS and went on to assume the identity of the character, the Supreme Court of Western Australia was told.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/autistic-teenager-murdered-euphoria-jemma-lilley-aaron-pajich-garrotting-stabbing-burying-shallow-a8032811.html

Credit to / more links and excerpts of her novel at https://kiwifarms.net/threads/british-woman-murders-autistic-teen-to-feel-euphoria.36135/

No. 9166

>>9165
>she was so “full of herself and euphoric” that she could not help boasting to a work colleague
When I read shit like this it makes me laugh, like what are you expecting?

No. 9167

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>>9159
Just heard about, i almost pissed my pants when I saw they caught him. It's an 100% DNA match apparently, and there's other evidence linking him to the crime scenes as well. This is insane.
>>9158
i'm pretty pumped for the trailer to come out, the movie seems pretty iffy though with the director having weak career. People have been wanting to fuck him since forever so it really doesn't matter to me. As long as hybristos stay in their tumblr containment zone, it's all good.

No. 9168

>>9164
And of course it's an ex cop.

What's really disturbing is that the known rapes committed by him are confirmed to have happened while he was still on the force.

It pisses me off.

No. 9169

>>9092
"In May 2017, it was reported that Homolka has been volunteering at her children's elementary school in Notre-Dame-de-Grâce, a Montreal neighbourhood." Am I missing something here? She's allowed to be around children still just because the court decided she was an unwilling participant in the rape and murder of children? Are people fucking retarded?

No. 9170

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>>9164
Here's a picture of him when he was young. Looks a lot like the police sketches, doesn't it?

No. 9171

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Better photo

No. 9172

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Theresa Knorr. Her wikipedia article has some pretty horrific shit in it. She was a single mother who tortured and murdered 2 of her daughters and would do very sadistic shit to her kids. It's one of those cases that's just inexplicable and really makes me sit and consider human nature.

No. 9173

>>9089
This is a subject I have really been interested in lately. Particularly, after reading about the case of Genie, the 'feral child.' Her mother, Dorothy Wiley, stood with her husband through over twenty years, four children – two dead as infants under suspicious circumstances – and the horrific abuse of her two children that survived to adulthood. Even then, the abuse present in the family was discovered purely by accident; Dorothy had intended to enlist services from a charity that helped blind people, but she accidentally walked into a welfare office, where the impaired state of her daughter (Genie) was then noticed.

Two articles that correspond to sum up the case:
>http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4873347&page=1
>https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/14/genie-feral-child-los-angeles-researchers

Read this and imagine yourself in the position of the wife that has this happen in her own home. Does it seem unimaginable?

It makes me think of my mother's upbringing and subsequently my own upbringing. I realised that in the lineage from my grandmother to my mother to me, all three of us fit the exact same psychological profile. 'Broken' women trapped in their own minds who marry violent alcoholic narcissists and who end up unintentionally neglecting and contributing to the abuse of their own children, and contributing likewise to the degradation of the husband by continuously enabling his increasing cruelty. It seriously disturbed me when I made the connection that I can extremely easily see myself being a woman just like Genie's mother, beaten to the point of not only considering myself fundamentally not worth saving, but of being unable to care for my own children, and of being so far gone to not even realise the effect of my inaction. It makes me afraid for the future. I want to immerse myself in literature explaining the phenomenon to make sure that I can't forget this realisation.

Sage for being somewhat off topic, I'm just really hoping someone else shares my interest into the psychology of the women that find themselves in these situations.

No. 9174

>>9173
I return to this topic a lot, specifically with Genie, the Fritzl case and a particularly vile Japanese murder case where a girlfriend joined in on the torture a group of men inflicted on a woman. I also think a lot about how the media likes to seasaw between portraying Myra Hindley as worse than her partner purely because she's a woman and to imagine whether her capacity for cruelty would have been so bad if she had never met him, and vice versa. It's in a similar vein to imagining yourself in nazi Germany and trying to guage where you can draw the line between being unforgivable about 'just trying to survive'.
I try not to dwell on it too much because you can really made yourself quite moody thinking about it all.

No. 9175

That creepy fuck who kidnapped Cherish Perrywinkle was sentenced to death today.

No. 9176

>>9175
Fucking good, they should burn him alive. He was in jail bragging about what he did and talking about young girls with an undercover officer, and he tried to ask for a retrial because e didn’t want the jury to be shown pictures of what he did to the little girl, saying they were “too gruesome”. Like, yeah? That’s why you need to die you sick fuck, because you did that and you have no remorse for it.

No. 9177

>>9175
>>9176
I feel like the mother is partly to blame. "Yeah, I'll just let my little girl go to McDonald's with some stranger."

No. 9178

>>9177
She was, she let him take her to McDonald’s, dollar general and the Walmart and she even let him go into the changing rooms with the girl. It only happened because the mother was painfully retarded and naive, I guess the draw of free McDonald’s and some clothes was stronger than her intelligence.

No. 9179

>>9178
When she called 911 to report her daughter was missing, she literally said she suspected he was raping her missing child. What a piece of shit.

No. 9180

>>9179
Then she televised the girl’s funeral and made sure to get shots of her fallingdown dramatically while bellowing and sobbing over her poor baby girl. She’s a 1000% piece of utter shit that should be sterilized.

No. 9181

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Investigators searching for the Zodiac Killer have submitted evidence to a private DNA lab in the hopes of obtaining a genetic profile of one of California's most elusive criminals — then tracking him down using the same kind of family-tree tracing recently used in the East Area Rapist case.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article210320689.html

No. 9182

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Last year (2012) a woman named Toni Ingram started a blog.

http://morganingram.com/wordpress

This blog was to commemorate her daughter, Morgan, who had committed suicide the previous December. Toni, however, believed that Morgan was stalked and killed by a neighbor boy. She wrote her blog on a day-by-day basis, taking from notes and memory from the year before, leading her readers down a trail of fear and shock as the “stalking” escalated.

At first.

This blog was shared over on a true crime forum called Websleuths. Many of us followed the blog. Most felt Toni was telling the truth and agonized over Morgan’s death.

Finally, the police reports, autopsy reports, toxicology screens, and murder investigation reports were released, and we were all able to view the case from both sides. It was apparent to all but a few die-hards that Toni – at the very least – was delusional, at most was potentially dangerous. Munchausen by proxy was mentioned by several people in the psych field, as well as a new phenomenon called Munchausen by Internet. Either way, there was no stalking and there was no murder.

The true crime board closed discussion on the case after it was decided Morgan had killed herself, since no crime had been committed. A group of us created our on board to continue investigation of the case. Our group (and yes, there are many of us involved) decided to make the official documents available for other people who wanted all the details of the story they were reading, so we put up our own website, so people would make informed decisions about the case before donating money or investing emotion. We later added another site.

https://truthformorgan.wordpress.com

https://mayramm.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/121/

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2017/10/24/suicide-or-murder-what-happened-to-morgan-ingram/

No. 9183

>>9182
as much as I hate sword & scale, the episode he did on this case was good. it was before he lost his mind if it matters.

No. 9184

>>9182
dude what the fuck, I used to live in Carbondale for years and it's like a tiny, middle of nowhere kind of place. No fast food restaurants, Starbucks, etc. Fucking creepy as hell

No. 9185

Lyle Stevik has been identified!

He was a John Doe who committed suicide in 2001 using a fake name. A special subreddit has been created to help solve his case.

Apparently his inentity won't be revealed because of what happened to Marcia King's family.
All I could find was that he was 25 at the time and from California.

No. 9186

>>9088
I just ordered "Perfect Soldiers" by Terry McDermott (it's about the 9/11 hijackers) and I am very excited to read it.

No. 9187

glad to see this bumped

right now im reading about jean harlows husband and the murder of him and his mistress and how jean may have been in on it

old hollywood crime mysteries are the best

No. 9188

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my fave case at the moment is the Jean-Claude Romand one, cuz it's crazy.
The man pretended to be working at the World Health Organization for 18 years, when he never actually passed his 2nd study year.
He spent his days pretending to go to work, but he stayed all day reading medical books in his car. He killed his whole family when he was about to get exposed.
What's crazy is how , for 18 years, it never arose suspicions,as he read every book he could. He was able to discuss medical complexities with another doctor at family gatherings for example, and NO ONE could tell, not even doctors. This is such a fascinating story. It recently was talked about again because he asked for a parole ? something along those lines (I'm French I dunno the equivalent)

No. 9189

>>9188
>>9188
But how did he make money to sustain the lie?

No. 9190

>>9189
Apparently he was getting money from relatives and lying about investing it for them.

No. 9191

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This story is creepy and weird af. There's a good sword and scale episode about it too. Mostly copy pasted from various wikis

>Matthew Hoffman, an unemployed tree trimmer, obsessed with trees and leaves and stockpiled leaves in his home

>He didn't like to go grocery shopping so he mostly ate squirrels he shot outside his house
>A neighbor said "He would sit and listen to us up in a tree. He had a hammock and he would sit there and listen to us,"
>On November 10, 2010, he randomly selected the Apple Valley, Ohio house of Tina Herrmann because it was more secluded and the garage door was always left slightly open
>he sneaked into the home after the residents left, remaining inside for an hour until Tina and neighbor Stephanie Sprang unexpectedly returned. Surprised, Hoffman murdered both, and then attacked Tina's two children, 13-year-old Sarah and 11-year-old Kody, when they stumbled upon the scene. He also killed their dog
>He later claimed that he hadn't planned to kill anyone
>Killing Kody, Hoffman then held Sarah captive and took her and the bodies to his Mount Vernon home, tying Sarah to a bed of leaves in the basement
>Next, he dismembered the bodies of his fatal victims, taking and disposing the parts the next day into a hollow, 60-foot tree in the Kokosing Wildlife Area using his tree-climbing equipment
>At one point he was questioned by police but they released him after he claimed that he had a girlfriend and was waiting for her to get off of work
>He kept Sarah tied to the makeshift bed of leaves and sexually assaulted her repeatedly for 4 days
>Hoffman told investigators that the little girl "liked that bed, it was extremely comfy and I wanted to sleep on it."
>He also admitted raping the girl, who was found by police wearing "a white plastic bag that had holes cut out for her legs that she was wearing like a makeshift diaper," according to case files.
>Deputies finally linked everything when they found, while still examining the Herrmann home, a Walmart bag with two tarps and a box of 55-gallon, heavy-duty trash bags. They found his identity via Walmart surveillance footage
>When they got to his house, they found him sleeping on the couch and initially thought that the bodies may have been hidden in the 14x14, 3ft tall piles of leaves all over his house
>Some speculation that the leaves were intended to serve as an accelerant for setting his house on fire and fleeing. He had a history of arson
>He was sentenced to life in prison without parole on June 6, 2011

No. 9192

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>>9191
The bathroom where he used leaves as insulation

No. 9193

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>>9191
Bed of leaves where he kept Sarah. There's a picture of her in the bed bound but I know pictures of minors aren't allowed on here

No. 9194

>>9191
>>9192
>>9193
Holy shit anon I have not heard of this! People are endlessly fascinating and cruel. What happened in this guy's life to make him that way? Was he born like that? Crazy…

We were speaking on crowd crushes in the other thread– I cannot for the life of me find the name of the battle again, but some General was outnumbered by the opposing force and used his men and horses to basically surround and cause a crush of the opposition. I really wish I could find it again; if anyone knows what I'm referring to please holler!

Someone brought up the Station Nightclub fire. This video is a simulation of the people within.

>The simulation predicts evacuation through available doors and windows. A number of people perish in this simulation due to the rapidly developing fire. The colour coding of the people indicates the response time band for the occupants. The people coloured red reacted most rapidly, they are on the dance floor. The colour of the floor is an indication of the smoke concentration at head height. The darker the colour, the thicker the smoke at head height. Finally, the body markings on the floor represents where we predict a fatality occured.

No. 9195

>>9191
God, I fucking loathe men.

No. 9196

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>>9195
Oh boy do I have a treat for you!

>Peter Kurten

>German serial killer born to poverty in1883
>"The Vampire of Düsseldorf"
>father would force all 11 children to watch him force his wife to strip naked and fuck, was also jailed for incest with his daughter
>father also forced him to watch as he raped farm animals throughout his childhood
>brutally beat the shit out of Peter at any given chance as he was the eldest surviving son; Peter often refused to come home from school for days and weeks at a time, spending time in the streets
>liked to tag along with the town dog catcher, because he enjoyed seeing and likely participating in killing the dogs as was custom
>this of course lead to a past-time of torturing and killing animals
>spent most of his time on the streets as a young man, introduced to all kinds of petty crime and hardened criminals who acted as a surrogate for his home life
>He claimed to have committed his first murders at the age of nine, when he pushed a school friend who he knew was unable to swim off a log raft. When a second boy attempted to save the drowning youngster, Kürten held this boy's head underwater in order that both boys drowned. Both deaths were ruled by authorities as being accidental.
>at age 13 resorted to bestiality and literal blood lust: To relieve his sexual urges, Kürten resorted to acts of bestiality with the sheep, pigs and goats in local stables, but later claimed he obtained his greatest sense of elation if he actually stabbed these animals just before his achieving orgasm.
>Thus, he began stabbing and slashing animals with increasing frequency to achieve orgasm, although he was adamant this behaviour ended when he was observed stabbing a pig.
>then tried to rape the same sister who was raped by their father
>in 1897, he relocated to Koblenz, where he began a brief relationship with a prostitute two years his senior who, he claimed, willingly submitted to every form of sexual perversion he demanded of her.
>drafted into German army in 1904 where he committed 24 arsons, which he would discreetly watch from a distance as emergency services attempted to extinguish fires. Was hoping to burn people alive as they slept, apparently.
>imprisoned for arsons where he spent much if his time in solitary confinement
>He would later claim to investigators and psychologists this period of incarceration was that in which he first encountered severe forms of discipline, and as such, the erotic fantasies included graphic fantasies of his striking out at society and killing masses of people; Kürten later claimed that he derived the "sort of pleasures from these visions that other people would get from thinking about a naked woman", adding that he occasionally spontaneously ejaculated while preoccupied with such thoughts.
>The first murder Kürten definitively committed occurred on 25 May 1913. During the course of a burglary, he encountered a nine-year-old girl asleep in her bed. He strangled the child, then slashed her twice across the throat with a pocket knife, ejaculating as he heard the blood dripping from her wounds onto the floor by her bed
>hung out at the tavern nearby the next day to revel in the locals' reaction to the murder.
>He later recollected to investigators that he derived an extreme sense of gratification from the general disgust, repulsion, and outrage he had heard in the patrons' conversation

He went on to kill more and really loved to ejaculate to the spurts of blood and "life force" leaving his victims' bodies. Just a really really fucked up individual who was borne of poverty, abuse, and depravity. LPOTL has a great episode about him. Definitely the hardest episode of anything murder related I have ever listened to.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kürten
https://m.soundcloud.com/lastpodcastontheleft/episode-339-peter-kuerten-part

*edited bc I accidentally left the youtube link for the Hillsborough video

No. 9197


No. 9198

>>9197
>Delphi Murders

I really hope they get this guy. I'm always hoping for good news but I'm not so sure law enforcement has much to go on unfortunately.

No. 9199

One Anon mentioned the Station Nightclub fire in the random thread so I had to check it bc I've never heard of it before but damn those people really got stuck in the door frame like that and died? Fuck what a nightmare jesus christ and how fast everything can escalate …

No. 9200

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>>9198
Yeah i've been following the case since the girls went missing actually. Not sure how I stumbled across it exactly but I remember browsing websleuths, which is a pretty shit site (basically PULL users but 50 years old) but I really wanted them to catch the guy considering one of the girls was smart enough to take pictures/video of him. Any leads they've had seem to have come up with dead ends, unfortunately. In my opinion in that case and a lot of similar ones the perpetrators are long haul truckers or transients who can easily be in and out of areas.

No. 9201


No. 9202

>>9200
I trained to be a long haul truck driver. I was with my bf the whole time as a team. Went on the road for 3 months driving with him and our trainer. (Yes it was fucking gross.) I was ultimately too scared to continue after our training was over, mainly on my mind at the time was that idk how to drive in snow or rain very well bc of where I live/grew up. But honestly now I'm just glad I didn't pursue it as a career bc of these kinds of dangers. I'm a small woman and sex trafficking is rampant amongst long haul truck drivers. It freaks me out how close I got to doing that for a living and being in danger. Of course all my instructors and trainers (men) assured me that it was a safe occupation in that regard. Nope.

Sage for total blogpost. I never really get a chance talk about my trucking experience.

No. 9203

>>9201
Oh man I was recently looking into this as well. The body parts everywhere…. the people wandering around lost and dazed and looking for loved ones. Absolutely nuts.

>>9200
>websleuths, which is a pretty shit site (basically PULL users but 50 years old)
Kek, I had the same experience there. Anyone visit mydeathspace.com or documentingreality.com? I'm not really into gore but every now and then I get curious…

No. 9204

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>>9201

Imagine you are being held in hostage but nobody helps you for the sake to get a good story for thew newspaper. There is a movie based on this event.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladbeck_hostage_crisis

https://www.dw.com/en/german-hostage-drama-the-day-the-press-became-the-story/a-17025034>>9201

No. 9205

The Seminole Heights serial killer in Tampa was also creepy. From my understanding black serial killers are pretty rare, and also the guy was very young (25 iirc). He also apparently visited cam sites right after shooting his victims (the name of the site wasn't published, seemed like chaturbate maybe)

No. 9206

>>9202
I have always heard horror stories about prostitutes at truck stops (not sure how true) and they seem like the perfect target for a serial killer, and honestly long haul truck driving seems like a perfect occupation if you want to kill. Girls and women no one is looking for who probably were disowned by their family long ago. Not saying you or your bf were serial killers or anything haha clearly not all truck drivers are psychopaths! Overall sex trafficking is a huge issue in the US that most people don't even pay much attention to, in part because law enforcement doesn't have a good handle on concrete numbers

>>9203
WS is good for finding newest updates from law enforcement but the speculation from users often gets waaaaay out of hand. There are a lot of cases I wish I could see crime scene photos from though.

No. 9207

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Katherine Knight, who ended up murdering her partner after 3 decades of being incredibly abusive and violent. She stabbed him 37 times, skinned him, beheaded him, and cooked parts of his corpse intending to feed it to his children. What fucks me up is that everyone around her knew how erratic and dangerous she was, but they just sort of accepted it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Knight

No. 9208

>>9199
There’s more footage around that shows when the emergency vehicles arrive. People were able to get through the entryway but some of them were burned really badly, and at one point you can see a man walking out whose entire body is on fire.The majority of the people who were trapped inside lost consciousness from inhaling the smoke of the fire because it contained toxic chemicals.

When this happened it was all over the news for months, but the news broadcast later and papers would only show images or the first few seconds of the video when the sparks set the ceiling on fire.

No. 9209

>>9207
the last podcast on the left episodes of her are v good

No. 9210

Published on Aug 28, 2018

Police were awaiting an autopsy report after officers discovered a headless, hand-less body in a fish tank at the San Francisco home of a missing man.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/02/neighbors-missing-man-headless-body-san-francisco

https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Headless-body-found-in-San-Francisco-fish-tank-13263126.php

No. 9211

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if there's anyone who hasn't heard of this before, look up gypsy blanchard. her story really makes you think and i personally don't think she deserved the jail sentence she got.

No. 9212

>>9211
I personally think she do deserves and she NEEDS it.
The boy is mentally challenged and got life sentence and while, yes, he did the killing, it was Gypsy's plan.
She is a manipluator like her mother and even if it's not her fault that she became like this, it is necessary that she goes through a lot of therapy to understand how the word works. What is wrong and what is right.

She went through hell, this is for sure. But the girl is really messed up in her head because of it.

No. 9213

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>>9191
>>9192
>insulation
>Some speculation that the leaves were intended to serve as an accelerant for setting his house on fire
At least that makes some sense, when I first learnt about this one there didn't seem to be any logic to it and it made it so much creepier. It's a nightmare of a case, especially the warped mindset of slaughtering the family in front of the little girl, abusing her repeatedly and then kind of babying her in a plastic-bag-nappy and later arguing that he looked after her and lied about how he cooked for her and let her watch films and play video games and how he's so glad they found her. His totally broken moral code makes my skin crawl. How will that girl ever be ok? What would ever feel safe again after any of that?
Not to mention that the cops would never have found the bodies unless they struck a deal with him.

The tree aspect makes me think of Who Put Bella in the Witch Elm. But honestly everything makes me think about that story, even though there's not much solid information

>In 1943, four boys were poaching in an English wood when they came across a large wych elm. Thinking the location to be a good place to hunt birds', one climbed up. As he climbed, he glanced down into the hollow trunk and discovered an animal skull. On closer inspection however he recognised human hair and teeth. As they were trespassing the skull was put back and the boys agreed to not tell anyone about what they had found, but the youngest boy was too affected and broke his silence when he returned home.


>When police checked the trunk of the tree they found an almost complete skeleton with a shoe, a gold wedding ring, and clothing fragments. The skull still had some tufts of hair and a clear dental pattern, despite some missing teeth. On further investigation, the remains of a hand were found near the tree.


>Forensic examination established that it as a female who had been dead for at least 18 months. Some taffeta in her mouth suggested that she had been suffocated. From the measurement of the trunk in which the body had been discovered, it was also deduced that she must have been placed there "still warm" after the killing, as she could not have fitted once rigor mortis had taken hold.


>Police could tell from items found with the body what the woman had looked like, but with so many people reported missing during the war, records were too vast for a proper identification to take place. They cross-referenced the details they had with reports of missing persons throughout the region and also ran the dental records to surrounding practices but found no match.


>In 1944 a graffiti message, appeared on a wall in the region reading "Who put Bella down the Wych Elm - Hagley Wood".

>Other graffiti messages in the same hand appeared too at other dates and locations. This led investigators down several new leads tracing who Bella could have been ranging from the disappearance of two sexworkers, one called bella to the theory of a dead German spy.

>Another possibility came from a statement made to police in 1953 from a woman who claimed her ex-husband Mossop had confessed to family members that he and a Dutchman Van Ralt had put the woman in the tree. Mossop met van Ralt and his woman for a drink at a pub. Later that night, Mossop said she became drunk, and passed out while they were driving. The men put her in a hollow tree in the woods in the hope that in the morning she would wake up and be frightened into seeing the error of her ways. Mossop was confined to a mental hospital, because he had recurring dreams of a woman staring out at him from a tree. He died in the hospital before the body in the wych elm was found. The likelihood of this being the correct explanation is questioned because Mrs Mossop did not come forward with this information until more than 10 years after Jack Mossop's death.

>Eerier still is the theory that the body was placed there as a gypsy occult ritual, with the severed hand being consistent with a ritual called the Hand of Glory. >This radical idea excited the local press and led investigators to consult another seemingly ritualistic killing of a man in a neighboring area.

>Since at least the 1970s, the graffiti has sporadically appeared on the Hagley Obelisk near to where the woman's body was discovered, which asks the slightly modified "Who put Bella in the Witch Elm?".



>>9202
OT but have you ever listened to the Alice Isn't Dead podcast? It's a fictional surreal horror story told by a female gay trucker. I gave up at the start of the second series when the mix of slow pace and surrealism got too much, but at first it painted a really good picture of the terror of those long empty roads

No. 9214

>>9211
This happened in my local area. What a news day that was…

Anyway, the argument on how much punishment she deserved could really go forever. For every person that thinks it was too harsh, there's someone that thinks she got what she deserved.

The saving grace, in my opinion, is that she seems to be doing really well in prison. It's a really messed up situation, but from her and those around her, the socialization even in such an isolated place is doing wonders for her. I hope that she can truly be rehabilitated and live a happy life after she serves her sentence.

No. 9215

>>9211
I don’t think she belongs in prison because American prisons have historically been awful for rehabilitation. I feel like she should be in a psychiatric ward, monitored by doctors and getting serious therapy.

No. 9216

>>9211
I remember following this along in real time! Someone posted screenshots of the facebook posts on a reddit true crime page, and I found the FB page while the post was still up. The comments were crazy. Everyone was sooooo shocked when the whole truth about her mom being a scammer and forcing her to pretend to have cancer came out.

No. 9217

>>9213
>with so many people reported missing during the war, records were too vast for a proper identification to take place

I can't even imagine how many murderers/serial killers there have been during WWI/WWII that went completely under the radar because of the utter chaos occurring.

No. 9218

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>>9213
Ahh this is local to me, I remember in primary school we went to Hagley Hall for a trip and we found out about the Wych Elm years later reading the legends display on local library visits. The graffiti still happens infrequently because of new teens finding out about it, but random places in my county - west midlands.

There is also Charles Walton "witch murder."

>Charles Walton was found pinned to the floor by his own pitch fork just a few hours after he left his Warwickshire cottage to trim hedges on Valentine's Day in 1945. A trouncing hook was in the 74-year-old's throat and a large cross was carved in his chest, sparking suggestions of witchcraft. Mr Walton had lived in the village of Lower Quinton all his life and was well-known. Warwickshire Police said they had a loose suspect but the case was eventually closed due to a lack of evidence.


which stuck with me just because everyone said it was witches (and that they were in the woods so the game was to stay as long as you could near the edge of the woods after school lol). Later found out it happened pretty far away from the area.

[Sage for blogposting.]

No. 9219

>>9214
Nayrt, I get what you're saying especially about learning that actions have accountability but I also think >>9215 has a point. Often people in prison for small time one-time crimes effectively catch a criminal mindset (and methods) after having to fight to survive somewhere with genuine awful people.
Surely an asylum could help her better.

No. 9220

>>9218
That was fascinating anon, thank you so much for adding to it! Britain used to have so much weird pagan stuff hidden away, so even if I don't necessarily believe it as a theory for Bella, I love hearing more about it
I've thought a lot about how the graffiti will never end because there will always be fresh edgy teens lol

>>350547

For sure, some of the stories of people just showing up and pretending to be someone or something during those times are just insane. It's awful to see those sex crimes that have been happening in charities like Oxfam because of course the worst people volunteer only to exploit people in worst circumstance possible

No. 9221

Casey Anthony lives in my town (and i know where, same neighborhood of the guy who spoke to the parkland killer and helped cement his fucked up ideologies). She has shown up yo marches or protests near our capital and it's all just so weirr, knowing how close she is…

No. 9222

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Some recent and most remembered cases from Houston

Murder of Joe Campos Torres/Fulton riots
23 year old Vietnam veteran beaten to death by white police officers.This sparked community outrage,protests,and the famous fulton riot.Theres are more details that aren't widely shared like how Torres was suffering from PTSD.

The murders of Jennifer Ertman & Elizabeth Pena
Jennifer (14) and Elizabeth (16) were raped and strangled to death by 6 gang members.The members stomped on the girls' throats to ensure their deaths.Again some details left out.My cousin is married to a sister of one of the murderers and can't stomach being around the mom who tries to defend her son every holiday dinner.

The murder of Karen Perez
Raped and murdered by her boyfriend who recorded himself sexually assaulting her.

Satanic ritual slaying of 15 year old Gorriam Cervantes
Cervantes was found strangled with a belt,stabbed several times and bludgeoned in the face with a porcelain toilet cover by 16 year-old Jose Reyes and 16 year old friend.

No. 9223

>>9219
I wasn't referring to her gaining a sense of morality. I meant in terms of socialization, she's doing better, even in a prison environment. There are a handful of people who have visited her and spoken to her, as well as her father and stepmother, and they all seem to be in agreement that this hasn't been an entirely negative experience for her. Then again, I don't know Chillicothe's reputation in regards to rehabilitation, so I can't say how this will shake out in the long run…

Would a mental facility be better? Maybe. And I wouldn't be opposed to her being put in one. But asylums can be just as damaging as a prison, depending on the factors. Really, all I'm saying that is, despite the terrible situation and where she's been put, she is making progress. I can only hope that continues, and that she has the support system she'll need when she gets out. I think she will, her father and stepmother seem to care about her health and happiness.

No. 9224

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Did anyone follow the Chis Watts case? Happened back in August, married father of 2 kills his pregnant wife and dumps his daughters bodies in crude oil tanks after smothering them to death.

The reason this story is so compelling and fascinating is because it's the first of it's kind to have raw video footage (police body cams) uploaded to youtube throughout the entire case. Almost like a lifetime movie you can observe this woman belittle her husband in Facebook live videos, watch him turn to cheating as she second guesses her marriage, and ultimately bear witness to him murdering his entire family and loading them into his work truck for disposal (neighbors security camera).

Compelling to say the least.

No. 9225

>>9224
yes, the police officer's body cam and the confession tapes were creepy af

No. 9226

>>9224
i wouldnt be surprised if this is whats going to happen to the candoos family on youtube

No. 9227

>>9224
>>9224
>Almost like a lifetime movie you can observe this woman belittle her husband in Facebook live videos, watch him turn to cheating as she second guesses her marriage
oh fuck off with this shit. she did not 'belittle' him at all. men are shown to cheat most often when women are pregnant. he was a fatty that lost weight and realized he could now hit his thotty fit coworker and have a life as a 'hot fit couple' with no strings attached. he 'glowed up' and wanted the life with no debt, a hot new gf, etc. shannan didn't belittle shit and her saying "chris will do anything for me!!" wasn't the cause of his cheating and 'snapping' and murdering three people, two of which were his own children. fuck off. this guy was a psycho from the start that felt and feels nothing.

people like you are so susceptible to that PLUNDER bullshit, ugh

No. 9228

>>9227
dude you sound like a fucking moron.

No. 9229

>>9228
Nta but I agree with that anon to an extent, she didn't belittle him at all and if she did it's still nothing compared to the stuff men do to their wives that end up in a husband murder case, isn't it funny how, if a man cheats then murders his family, people are quick to point out what the woman did wrong, but you'll never see anyone point out what a man did wrong if a woman cheats, abuses or murders because that's evil misandry and how dare you pin the blame on poor hard working men, it's always women's fault,never men's

No. 9230

>>9229
Even if she DID belittle him, cheating I can understand, but murder? What on earth did his children ever do to deserve being murdered by someone who is supposed to love them unconditionally and protect them from the world, and then be stuffed into barrels. Why is everyone so quick to minimise men’s crimes. His family didn’t deserve what happened to them.

No. 9231

>>9227
I agree with you. If anything, his psycho mom made him the way he is, not Shanann. Shanann was the reason he glowed up at all otherwise he'd still be a fatass that Nichol wouldn't have looked twice at. Frankly I see how Shanann had no patience towards him, the investigation revealed how monumentally retarded he is. It's too had his girls had to suffer at the hands of his cowardly autistic ass. Hope the anal was worth it for him. The thot will never talk to him again and he did it all for her lol. She probably had a new guy the day after he was arrested or even before, who knows.

No. 9232

>>9230
"B-b-but she TOLD him to turn off the lights. She didn't ASK him to turn off the lights!!!!" /s

Literally like all her Facebook
live video comment are filled to the brim with people crying that he suffered narcissistic abuse from Shannan. Anything to demonize the female victims of male crimes, nevermind the fact that he callously killed his two baby girls and shoved their bodies in oil tanks. When they were retrieved, their skin was detached/detaching from their bodies thanks to their poor wittle victim of Shannan's supposed narcissistic abuse of a "father". Sickens me the way she's attacked. She cried for weeks on end, begging him to communicate and show affection while he literally threw her relationship help books straight from delivery, while in the Amazon box, into the trash, all while she was pleading with him to help save their family. So sad

No. 9233

>>9232
Fucked up.

Let's assume she did "abuse" him, even though there's no proof of it. When your spouse is abusing you, you divorce them. What you don't do is murder them and your two young children. How could anyone think the cold-blooded murder of two little girls who had nothing to do with any of it is a reasonable response to any sort of abuse?

No. 9234

>>9233
tbh id find it more believeable if it turned out it was the other way round, if he was abusing her. you dont just go from being a normal husband to murdering your family and stuffing them in oil barrels.

No. 9235

Sheriff: Jayme Closs Found Alive In Wisconsin, Suspect In Arrested
>Thirteen-year-old Jayme Closs, who went missing almost three months ago from her Wisconsin home, was located alive Thursday evening, according to the Barron County Sheriff’s Office. Police say a suspect has been taken into custody in connection with the case.
>A 911 call was made from Denise Closs’ cellphone at about 1 a.m. on Oct. 15, with garbled, inaudible audio. Police arrived four minutes later to find her and her husband dead. There was no sign of Jayme inside the home.
>Investigators will discuss the case with the media Friday morning at 10 a.m. at the Barron County Sheriff’s office.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/01/10/missing-wisconsin-teenager-jayme-closs-found-alive-suspect-in-custody/

Wow, I can't believe they found her alive

No. 9236

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>>9231
Imagine your husband cheating on you and murdering you, your unborn child, and your two daughters for this dumpy thot. I would haunt the shit out him for the rest of his pathetic life

She also googled how much the mistress of Scott Peterson, the man who killed his wife and unborn child, made off her book deal

No. 9237

>>9225
>>9224
Something about the bodycam footage that gave me chills was when Chris and his neighbour and the police officer were watching the neighbour's surveillance camera footage. As they finish up, the TV switches to the History Channel and a fetus in the womb appears onscreen. Chris sees it, and announces Shanann's pregnancy for the first time to the cop. The next thing that appears onscreen is a skull sinking into black oil, which is eerie considering that he disposed of his daughters' bodies in oil tanks. It seems almost like a message from beyond the grave.

No. 9238

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>>9235

>Suspect is Jake Patterson, a 21-year-old Gordon, Wisconsin man

> Jayme was “taken against her will” and was the “only target” of the suspect, whom he alleged “planned his actions and took many proactive steps to hide his identity"
>No connection to the family

No. 9239

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Last night I went down the rabbit hole of reading documents regarding Chris Watts' arrest. There's almost 2000 pages so I was only skimming but they have copies of the letters people sent him in jail and hooooo boy. Almost all thirsty women, and they also put in the pictures that the women sent him kek. Pic related is one of the creepy non-thirsty letters he got.

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No. 9241

>>9239
Well, that took a turn.

No. 9242

>>9239
You can taste the insanity.

No. 9243

>>9238
That sounds terrifying, my initial guess whas that he knew her online

No. 9244

>>9236
Not only that but she lied to the police about her relationship with Chris, deleted all her phone content with him, etc. She googled Shannan apparently many months (almost a year) prior to the events. She is a piece of shit but of course nothing compared to Chris and killing his wife and two innocent baby girls. How could he?? I never understand this shit..

These two were also fucking morons, if you look you can find their love letters they wrote each other over their company email. Wtf.

No. 9245

Did yall see the that post on unresolvedmysteries of a new potential Delphi suspect? He looked similar to the suspect pic, moved back to Indiana 2 weeks before the murders and had a history of posting on fb everyday with the only major gaps being the time around the murders. I wanted to link to it but it's been deleted

No. 9246

>>9239
wow. got a link to where i can find them?

No. 9247

>>9246
There's a subreddit for the Watts case, and pinned to the top is a table of contents for the document. The document is linked in that post.

No. 9248


No. 9249

>>9238

Cockeyed weirdo.

I have a strange feeling this case is just going to get weirder once the girl starts talking.

She’s 13 and he’s 21, hmmm. Were they talking to each other on the internet? Was he just infatuated with her? So many questions.

No. 9250

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>>9246
>>9248
Letters start on page 721 if those are specifically what you're interested in

No. 9251

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No. 9252

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No. 9253

>>9251
>property of the D.O.C.
>>9239
>the pen
Or they're just fellow felons looking for love or a cheap thrill.
I imagine most women writing to him are institutionalized or isolated in some fashion, lest women with even an iota of options would go for a real relationship.

No. 9254

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Ever since the Maëlys de Araujo case, a special unit called Cellule Ariane has been reopening hundreds upon hundreds of cold cases (murders, disappearances…) which took place in France. The chances of Nordahl Lelandais being a serial killer are high.

>In August 2017, an 8yo girl vanished from a wedding reception. A suspect was arrested, and everything lead to him (his car had recently been deep cleaned, etc)

>yet a microscopic speck of Maëlys' blood was found in his car, and Lelandais had been searching for pedophile related content before.

The thing is that he had previously killed, but not the same type of person at all. He also killed Arthur Noyer, a grown man whose disappearance was still a mystery.
Lelandais kept giving info, then backtracking… but it has been fully proven he killed both.
What makes this case so interesting is that a lot of mysterious disappearances took place in the regions nearby in the recent years, which leads the authorities to think he might indeed be a serial killer (and behing most of these too).
But Lelandais never said anything UNLESS he was presented with direct evidence, otherwise he never spoke, so it will take years to determine wether or not he killed several other people.

Sorry if this was explained poorly, also there aren't a lot of resources in English

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium.MAGAZINE-people-have-a-right-to-vanish-france-said-then-came-a-serial-killer-1.6410907

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ma%C3%ABlys_de_Araujo

>in French

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordahl_Lelandais

No. 9255

>>9253
I never said they were normal women lol. This one >>9251 is a convicted felon, hence the article I posted about her

No. 9256

>>9255
Still it seems like whenever people bring up how convicts get all these letters written they act like the majority are written by famechasers, the naive, and otherwise seemingly normal people who don't have criminal backgrounds.

That's the tone I hear anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 90 percent were all from convicted and incarcerated people. I'd even suspect some of them are just men LARPing as women too.

No. 9257

alright anons i have a question, what's the most brutal crime you've ever heard/studied? i mean as in the more psychologically motivated ones? the mind of a killer has always interested me, i don't understand how you can get that low

No. 9258

>>9257
Toolbox killers, makes me sick just thinking about it and I’ve researched a lot of brutal cases.

No. 9259

>>9257
For me it's the Toybox killer.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Parker_Ray

Psychologically he was motivated by sadomasochistic pornography and enabled by actual members in law enforcement who acted as accomplices to secure his tortures and dispose of bodies. I think what makes a case all the more fucked up is how many fucked up people are in on it.

No. 9260

>>9257
I automatically thought Toy Box Killer too.

Anything involving kids is automatically the real worst thing, but just reading about Daisy's Destruction gave me a mental break. I can't handle those cases so I don't learn about them and kind of block them out.

No. 9261

>>9259

Fuck, I’m not a big fan of people with power and cops can be weird for no reason, but that’s just terrifying.

No. 9262

>>9257
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta

Not exactly what you're looking for but this is the most appalling crime I've read about. Japan absolutely failed this woman.

No. 9263

>>9262
oh god, i remember this one. i can't even think about what her state of mind was like having to go through that.

No. 9264

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>>9257
Killers who were charming or seemed normal to everyone around them get me. The ones who carried on with life and had families or wives or girlfriends who swore they'd never do something like that. Ted Bundy and BTK in particular. It makes you think twice about everyone you know

Speaking of which, I'm excited for the Ted Bundy movie coming out soon. I hope it's good.

No. 9265

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Also, the case of John Allen Rubio and Angela Camacho who killed their 3 children because they thought they were possessed.

>Angela Camacho and 24-year-old John Allen Rubio, her common-law husband, were accused of strangling and decapitating her 2 daughters, 3-year-old Julissa Quezada and 2-month-old Mary Jane Rubio, in 2003. The couple allegedly washed themselves afterward and had sex before decapitating their 1-year-old son, John Esthefan Rubio.

>A relative called police, who found the girls stuffed in a trash bag and the boy on a bed. Rubio and Camacho told police they thought the children were possessed.
>John Allen Rubio said that, “she started talking in like, demonized — like, she was looking at me, like, weird,” he said. He claimed that Julissa was possessed by the spirit of his grandmother. Julissa began growling and screaming at him claiming that she was Grandma who had come back from limbo and stolen Julissa’s soul. He believed that all of the children were possessed by demons.
>“Julissa … my daughter … was telling me that she came from limbo. Julissa started to laugh in an evil way and started making growling sounds to me. The other two babies … started to talk and say things like three witches. They were talking to each other…”

>According to evidence during Rubio's trial, he had inhaled so much spray paint that he had damaged his brain and might have been psychotic.

>Rubio's mother forced him into prostitution when he was still a child. His mother was also a prostitute. John's clients were all adult men. John commented that while he did not always enjoy his work, it "beat flipping burgers."
>Both Rubio and Camacho had been born into abject poverty.

There's a really good couple of episodes about it on Sword and Scale, which I typically object to. Really a crazy and disturbing case all around

No. 9266

>>9257
To be honest for me its Albert Fish. The dude wrote a fucked up letter to the victims mother (which got him caught) and wrote stuff so depraved in his final hours his lawyer decided to not release them to the press.

No. 9267

>>9199
Did you know that the youtuber that made this video recently "disappeared"? I would love to explain everything in detail, but my english is not good enough to do it
If you go to his last video and sort the comments by "newest", you will find people talking about the whole thing. Basically he was allegedly being harassed by a family member and asked for help on youtube, then deleted the video where he told about his situation, and never gave life signals in any of his social media again. Like I said I can't really write all of the details, but you can look it up in the comments of his last video.
I have to be honest, with all the shitty fame hunger on youtube, I'm a little skeptical of everything. BUT if he really is in danger, I feel very bad for him, and makes me sad that I can't do much to help
It surprises me a little that no known youtuber took the opportunity to talk about this case.
I hope Horror Stories is okay.

No. 9268

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>>9267
The last update on his Patreon in October.
Hasn't created a video in 5 months.

Tbh if I ran out of content but people still were giving me $200+ a month for doing nothing, I'd let them draw their own conclusions as long as they didn't start getting mad at me for collecting bank. Js.

No. 9269

>>9268

Damn I was wondering when something new was going to come out. He makes great content. I didn't realize hes been on a hiatus. Hopefully the guy is alright.

No. 9270

>>9257
This is definitely the most brutal woman serial killer in history. A medieval countess who practiced vampirism and brutally tortured, killed, and canabalized hundreds of young women.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Báthory

No. 9271

>>9267

Searching Google for his email address Horrorstoriesrm@yahoo.com pulls up https://www.twitter.com/ksgant as the top result. Anyone know why?

No. 9272

Did anyone watch the Abducted in Plain Sight doc on netflix?
Her parents should have lost custody of all their kids and been locked up. I feel so sorry for Jan that she was brainwashed by her kidnapper, and then brainwashed again by her parents into thinking they had tried to protect her. It seems like they didn't care at all.

No. 9273

>>9272
Nopped out of if when the dad said he gave a handy to the man who abducted his child.

No. 9274

>>9270
you do realise that that entire story is most likely bullshit right? the current theory is that it was common for nobles in that time to run hospitals for their subjects, and we all know what medieval "medicine" was like (bloodletting, leeches, etc) and that her """victims""" were actually people treated in her hospital. also, the people who initially accused her had ulterior motives to get her imprisoned.

No. 9275

>>9274
yeah, she apparently had a lot of political rivals. It's not just in Bathory's case but the salacious potentially false details stick where the mundane truth does not.

No. 9276

The Marc Dutroux case.
Really fucked up case of police coverup, incompetence and the potential of a huge elite child trafficking ring.

>Police find two living underage girls in a hidden underground dungeon built by already convicted child molester Marc Dutroux

>Investigate Dutroux, find out he has multiple properties and bank accounts while apparently being on welfare
>Police search more of his other residences, find two bodies of two kidnapped girls and ANOTHER two bodies of kidnapped in ANOTHER residence of Dutroux's
>Had hundreds of thousands of francs deposited into one of his accounts right after the kidnapping of the girls
>Weird connection between Dutroux and mega rich businessman Michel Nihoul (Nihoul said he was confident he would never be charged, because what he knows would bring the government down.)

All very weird and all leading to something more than just a single person (Dutroux) doing everything right? Well it gets even more fucked up.

>20-28 of witnesses to the crimes ALL die under extremely suspicious circumstances and are ruled as suicides/not suspicious (ie. Burned alive, poisoned, shot in office from behind, shot in parking lot, killed in a car accident right before saying to someone they had something to say to the police)

>Most of the witnesses before their deaths said that they knew too much , were being threatened, had strangers threaten their lives if they didn't stop the investigation, had their phones bugged, individuals that said that their spouse was murdered to protect Dutroux and his child ring also subsequently committed "suicide"
>First judge on trial had to step down due to conflict of interest (attended a dinner for one of the victims families) but also said that the police told him that there were murder contracts on him
>Other witnesses are either old or have already died from old age
>Only one singular conviction against Dutroux, every other suspect freed from all charges

If this isn't a blatant coverup of an elite child trafficking ring, then I don't know what is. The maker of this documentary also died under suspicious circumstances, like what the fuck.

No. 9277

>>9276
This whole case was insane. The guy was obviously trafficking kids for rich guys to abuse and murder and the one survivor was branded insane and the police was made to stop investigating. The party taking care of getting rid of the witnesses weren't even subtle about muffling them, they just killed them in the most suspicious ways possible. Really fucked up stuff.

No. 9278

So..leslie van houten is possibly getting released on parole.
I didnt expect that.

No. 9279

>>9276
i feel like True Detective is vaguely based on this and most likely this shit is still going on, hold your babies close anons

No. 9280

>>373796
>prefer

No. 9281

>>9280
yeah I just realized i worded that horribly, horribly wrong.
RIP

No. 9282

>>373796
>later studied film under Roman Polanski

makes sense.

No. 9283

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>>9279
Damn anon I didn't even think of that and I've been watching it.

Fuck, it's just so fucking scary and terrifying reading about just HOW many kids "disappear" from foster care and are never found again. Are they being kidnapped to be tortured and sold? Being sold to rich families as dolls? Being sold for organs for disgusting old men?

Also I am also super paranoid about looking up any more information into this case or the Chateau des Amerois/Mother of Darkness Castle.
There are REAL elite people behind this, it's way beyond any pizzagate shit.
Some of the people that visit that mansion have fucking balls of steel man. The entire perimeter is COVERED in actual tripwire and there are cameras everywhere in the woods. Not to mention a woman from a couple disappeared there after investigating the place.
If I disappear I hope my family knows why lol

No. 9284

>>9276
>>The maker of this documentary also died under suspicious circumstances, like what the fuck.

Piet Eekman? Where exactly did you get that information from because I googled him and he seems very much alive still. Unless he took this documentary over for someone else and they mention it in it at the end, (I just started watching it) in that case ignore me

No. 9285

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Candace Elizabeth Newmaker (born Candace Tiara Elmore, November 19, 1989 – April 18, 2000) was a victim of child abuse, killed during a 70-minute attachment therapy session purported to treat reactive attachment disorder. The treatment used that day included a rebirthing script, during which Candace was suffocated.

Following the script for that day's treatment, Candace was wrapped in a flannel sheet and covered with pillows to simulate a womb or birth canal and was told to fight her way out of it, with the apparent expectation that the experience would help her "attach" to her adoptive mother. Four of the adults (weighing a combined total of 673 pounds) used their hands and feet to push on Candace's head, chest and 70-pound body to resist her attempts to free herself, while she complained, pleaded, and even screamed for help and air, unable to escape from the sheet. Candace stated eleven times during the session that she was dying, to which Ponder responded, "You want to die? OK, then die. Go ahead, die right now". Twenty minutes into the session, Candace had vomited and excreted inside of the sheet; she was nonetheless kept restrained within.

Forty minutes into the session, Jeane said to Candace "This baby doesn’t want to live. She’s a quitter." Candace faintly responded "no"; this would ultimately be her last word. To this, Ponder replied, "Quitter, quitter, quitter, quitter! Quit, quit, quit, quit. She's a quitter!" Jeane Newmaker, who said later she felt rejected by Candace's inability to be reborn, was asked by Watkins to leave the room, in order for Candace not to "pick up on (Jeane's) sorrow". Soon thereafter, Watkins requested the same of McDaniel and Brita St. Clair, leaving only herself and Ponder in the room with Candace. After talking for five minutes, the two unwrapped Candace and found that she was motionless, blue on the fingertips and lips, and not breathing. Upon seeing this, Watkins declared, "Oh there she is; she's sleeping in her vomit," whereupon the mother, who had been watching on a monitor in another room, rushed into the room, remarked on Candace's color, and began CPR while Watkins called 9-1-1. When paramedics arrived ten minutes later, McDaniel told them that Candace had been left alone for five minutes during a rebirthing session and was not breathing. The paramedics surmised that Candace had been unconscious and possibly not breathing for some time. Paramedics were able to restore the girl's pulse and she was flown by helicopter to a hospital in Denver; however, she was declared brain-dead the next day as a consequence of asphyxia.
The entire 70 minutes of the fatal session, as well as ten hours of other sessions from the preceding days, had been videotaped as a matter of course with Watkins's treatment. All the videos were shown at the trial of Watkins and Ponder.

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/candace.htm
Here’s the transcript of the therapy session. It’s pretty heavy, so be careful.

No. 9286

>>9285
god, this makes me furious.

No. 9287

>>9283
Tell us more!

No. 10676

What do you guys make of the Tamla Horsford case?

Granted, I have only read a few articles on it, but it seems like she went out on the balcony at one point and no one checked on her? Was everyone asleep?

No. 10677

>>10676

Nevermind, yes everyone was asleep.

No. 10679

>>9285
I heard about this in a gaming theory video and it made me so upset and sick to my stomach to think about what torture this poor girl had to go through.
Rarely wish for karma to do its job so badly.

No. 11723

>>10676
This reminds me of the Kenneka Jenkins case, here is an in depth analysis on reddit. https://amp.reddit.com/r/TrueCrime/comments/71l5os/an_in_depth_analysis_of_kenneka_jenkins_death/
I guess the case is closed and they believe she just wandered into the freezer and died drunk but it seems a little too sketchy, her body looked like she had been assaulted.

No. 11925

>>9257
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)
the case of Genie always gets me, as does all cases of feral children that resulted from abuse rather than solely isolation.

Genie's father was an awful man that abused his wife and children. He believed that Genie was retarded, and decided to keep her as restrained/isolated as possible. Aside from an early issue with her hip, Genie was a normal child. And she was absolutely destroyed by her father, doomed to never lead a normal life.

If anyone in the house - not just Genie - made any noise, they'd be beaten. If Genie made any noise or did something he didn't like, he'd growl, bark, and scratch her like a dog. She never acquired language. She was always malnourished. She was restrained to a child's toilet during the day, and restrained in a sleeping bag and placed in a crib when she wasn't left on the toilet at night. The room she occupied for 13 years was dark, mostly empty, lonely, and horrifying.

When her father got caught, he committed suicide. He left two notes. One for his son, who was also abused, that read "Be a good boy, I love you." The other said "The world will never understand." Since then Genie has been moved around and cared for by several different people. One can only hope that her current life is peaceful.

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>>11925
genie's story is devastating. there's so much intelligence in those eyes, but never learning language is the worst kind of destructive for a child. you might as well kill them.

she was such a pretty girl. disgusting what was done to her.

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>>12719
genie really was a beautiful girl. one reason out of many for why this case is so tragic.

her brother John was also destroyed by their father's abuse. i can't imagine the shame he must have felt after being forced to keep the extreme abuse of genie a secret, let alone after being forced to participate. the physical and emotional abuse he went through was also horrific and he never got help for it, even after his father's crimes were exposed. he was interviewed once, and died in 2011. but in his own words, he had already been "a living dead man."

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4873347&page=1

No. 13145

Have you guys seen The Act trailer? I’m a big fan of the Gypsy Rose case and couldn’t help but feel it was.. disrespectful? Like in bad taste? Something about it didn’t sit well with me and I can’t put my finger on what it is. Maybe it’s that I just don’t understand why they’d dramatize this case instead of something more like Jennifer Pan?

No. 13270

There been an update in the Chris Watts case - basically he confessed to the true details of what he did. A few details seem off but for the most part seems true.

The confession was around 5 hours and YT link is the full audio.
Also the document / file:
https://www.scribd.com/document/401310763/Watts-Interview-02-18-19-Redacted-2?fbclid=IwAR2rYj5gZkLZSE9XfQitUPiNOW0RSDp0dZTXoqlvARQjIipWsKLBC4AtrNQ

I listened to it all and I feel completely sick. What his poor babies went through, especially Bella she was awake and knew what was going to happen to her. I have read, listened and watched hundreds and hundreds of cases and this one was the worst for me. I feel sick.

Bella and Cece were so kind and lovely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2iuug4_8gY

No. 13271

>>13270
*there's

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>>13270
Okay I thought I could stomach it but I had to stop here. Knowing he's going to kill his little girls next is horrifying.

No. 13285

>>13279
It's horrifying thinking about what she was going through, she was a bright kid. But that's not when she is murdered, it's quite a bit later.

lmk if you can't stomach the file but would still like to know.

No. 13298

>>13285
So an affair was a motive and watts was gay?

No. 13301

>>13298
Essentially the motive was an affair. (Apparently it was a heat of the moment thing and he didn't really know why he was doing it).
According to him (this is the part of the confession I am skeptical about):
>He got into an argument with his wife (Shannan)
>They talk about the future ranging from plans to being unsure
>He can sense she knows he's having an affair
>She says she is leaving him and he would never see the kids again
>Apparently the last part makes me really "upset"
>Thinks about not being able to come back home or see kids
>Doesn't know what comes over him and kills her.


He wasn't gay, affair was with a woman he worked with. He didn't ever know or meet that guy on the news who claimed to have slept with him.

No. 13302

>>13301
What's with the details about the thrive patches? If he wasn't sleeping it could have fucked with his head

No. 13303

>>13270
the guy is definitely lying about his IQ. he sounds dumber than a bag of bricks. it's nauseating that he drove 45 minutes with his kids in the backseat right next to his dead wife. I never would've thought they were alive during that ride. he had so much time to think about what he was about to do, and he still went through with it. poor babies must have been so scared.

No. 13304

>>13302
Thrive is MLM so pretty shady, I've read things from no effect at all to gives energy (has coffee/tea stimulants ircc) and Chris Watts saying it was really effective and gave him ultimated amounts of energy.

The ingredients are a bunch of chemicals I'm not too sure of, you wear them on your arm for energy boost or weight loss.

If it was caused by this thrive patch I have doubts whether the effects would last that long because
>strangled Shannan (takes 3-5 minutes)
>put her in the car with kids
>suffocates Cece
>suffocates Bella
These are 3 different occasions with over an hour between death 1 and 2+3.

I get why people think Thrive patches might have impacted but imho Chris is just a sociopath (or something, he didn't cry in his first interview about killing his family but did when the thought of his co-workers finding out what he did was mentioned) too obsessed with the idea of his mistress and started to resent his wife and by extension his kids. Sorry for the essay lol.

No. 13305

The bodycam footage is insane. So many redflags here and good job to the officer who investigated and took the neighbors seriously

No. 13409

>>13305
The neighbors did an amazing job with giving the police information about the house and the cameras. I feel horrible about what happened but at least they knew something was up and had the courage to go to the house even while Chris was there. The case ended as quickly as it did because of their actions.

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>>9236
she reminds me of carolyn moore layton (on far left) who was jim jones’ mistress. same dark hair and complicity.

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So much incoming with the Chris Watts case, MJ documentary, and the R Kelly shit going on.

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Do you believe his claims?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/us/samuel-little-serial-killer.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/15/he-claims-be-americas-deadliest-serial-killer-his-paintings-could-help-find-more-victims/

Despite the passing years, Samuel Little still had all the details neatly filed away in corners of his mind.

The particular shapes of noses. The way their hair was cut short or tumbled to their shoulders. The colors of their eyes. And decades later, as he sat in a Texas jail cell and received daily visitors from around the country, the 78-year-old serial killer began drawing the faces of his victims from memory.

Late last year, Little — already convicted in 2014 of murdering three women in Southern California in the late 1980s — shocked the American law enforcement community by confessing to killing more than 90 women between 1970 and 2013, a body count that would make him one of the deadliest serial killers in history.

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Anyone following the Ranniere case?

Keith Ranniere founded Nxium in 98, a self help organisation that was secretly a cult recruiting female sex "slaves" in the style of a pyramid scheme. The slaves were kept on strict diets and forced to hand over collateral such as humiliating photographs or assets to show their commitment. Some members were branded with a symbol that was said to represent the four elements but was actually just a stylisaton of Ranniere's Initials.

A main focus of the case is that Raniere groomed a teenager until she was old enough for him to have sex with. Later forcing her and her sister into a nonconsensual orgy and subsequent abortions, telling the girl that the abortion would help her lose more weight and that "Olympic athletes get abortions as part of training.
When that same teenager didn't reach a weight goal and admitted feelings for another man, she was locked away from her family in a single room for 2 years. Other charges involve sex trafficking and child porn. He was just charged yesterday but I imagine more will come out in time.

The case is also attracting attention because some of the women were notably wealthy or minor celebrities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48401061
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Raniere
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/nyregion/nxivm-women-branded-albany.html

No. 37248

>>9283
I'd love to know more about this case, but it's hard to find any info that doesn't come from some fucking tinfoil conspiracy theory websites.

My fave unsolved cases are those concerning possible spies like Tamam Shud, Isdal woman and "Jennifer Fergate".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamam_Shud_case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isdal_Woman
https://unidentified.wikia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Fergate

No. 75076

The Daybell and Vallow case is disturbing to watch unfold,is anyone else following it?
To summarize, a woman with a trail of mysterious deaths behind her is on holiday in Hawaii right now whilst her two children are missing. She is refusing to cooperate in the investigation and now a storage unit has been found full of her children's things.
People are saying there's cctv of the couple moving "a body with visible legs" out of the unit but it just looks like a gym mat to me.

Imo it's weird that a news crew is in the unit and allowed to film all those things, doesn't that compromise the case? In UK the press are only allowed to film outside of locations. Either way I I think the police deliberately gave that ambiguous body-like footage to the press with the intent to apply more public pressure to the couple.

No. 77556

A 22 y/o woman stabbed her boyfriend 16 times, then mutilated his penis. She claimed the man had attacked her and carved the word "boy" into her arm in reference to her past gender experimentation but after it was decided that she did it herself she changed her story to self defense against sexual assault. In 2018 she was sentenced to 50 years.

A GoFundMe was set up to raise money for her appeal but closed after it only made $50 however her instagram page is still actively selling her artwork and the comments are still open despite the majority of comments being against her. Her tagged photos are filled with both supporters and opponents so clearly it continues to be a case of public interest.

People have compiled many hours of police recordings and her interviews onto youtube. The general consensus seems to be that she always did anything to get the attention she wanted and that she killed her boyfriend so that she could get back with an ex.

Ezras Instagram https://www.instagram.com/dirt_fiend/
An anti-Ezra account https://www.instagram.com/ezmccoldbloodedkiller/

No. 77562

>>77556
Her fucking apology was such a drama kid with issues bullshit. This is what happens when tumblr kids get homicidal.

No. 77588

>>77556
all the people calling her pretty attractive and hot and adorable in the comments absolutely baffle me. and there are some who defend her and say that they hope she gets out soon too.
this woman did not only murder someone, but also lied about it countless times and your only response is that she's adorable? what the fuck

No. 77589

>>77588
She is cute lol but of course people can't separate their dick from any situation

No. 87596

Why doesn't Karlie Guse' case get more attention? There seems to be no updates. The local police made a post defending the parents so it seems they are lazy as fuck and can't be bothered investigating beyond the theory of her just walking away. 3 people claim to have seen her walking so it must be her. They couldn't be wrong. Seriously, Eye witness shit like this is way too un-reliable.

The step mum and boyfriend are shady as fuck and they need to be investigated. The step mums ever changing story, the livestream antics, the boyfriends strange Facebook comments. They are the two last people to see her alive. I just find it really hard to believe that this girl who was apparently 'so scared' decided to leave her house to go walking by herself. Nothing about the story makes sense and the fact the boyfriends Facebook comment said that there wasn't even ever a party that night is in direct conflict with the story reported and accepted by the multiple news outlets and the step mum.

No. 87597

>>87596
Isn't that what happened with the Stephen Avery case? No direct evidence tied him to the murder but the victim's boyfriend helped lead the search team and had her day planner in his apartment, the same day planner she was carrying the day of her death. Cops seem to gloss over this shit so hard sometimes.

No. 93189

>>9285
I heard about this case when I was a teen. It made me sick to my stomach. i couldnt believe a 'therapy' session was allowed to go on like this. It was murder and that poor little girl suffered. One of the worst cases of child abuse and murder under the guise of therapy I've ever read. It still hurts to even read this again. That poor girl…There is no justice for her.

No. 94230

it hurts me that keith bennett has never been found. there is a pro-hindley supporter on youtube called velveteyes79 or smth like that and she's always saying: 'brady made her do it!' brady was a dumbass, myra was manipulative and david smith was a scapegoat

No. 94289

>>94230
I think about him all the time, too, anon. That poor little boy. His mam passed without knowing his whereabouts too, it's heartbreaking. I once got stuck on the Moors one evening (car broke) and all I could think was that he might have been out there somewhere. It brought tears to my eyes.

No. 94555

So I guess there’s a new lead in the Madeline McCain case

What does everyone think? I’m not a Brit but I was kinda under the impression that most of the people in the the U.K seem to think her parents did it (accidentally or on purpose) and that they’re wasting everyone’s time at this point. I still think the case is rather fascinating. But I also feel like it’s like the JonBenet Ramsay case where something new will come out in 5-10 years only to fizzle out within a month. Either way, Madeline deserved better.

No. 94562

>>94555
i always thought that she'd managed to get out of the unlocked apartment door (maybe trying to find her parents) and come to harm after leaving either through ending up with a pedophile or wandering into the sea. i think there's so much emphasis on 'her abductor was in the apartment hiding when we looked' from kate and gerry that the real suspicion can't be in the apartment at all

i don't think they killed her, but they're not telling the whole truth to the public. their friends didn't distance from them like the ramsays friends did.

No. 94690

>>94555
They suspect a german thief and pedo that is currently in jail.. I hope it isn't just a scapegoat. I read people in Portugal weren't collaborative at all which is mind blowing.

Personally, I truly believed the "the parents poisoned her by mistake" theory. But who knows, maybe someone really did take her after entering to steal their stuff.

No. 95536

there's some idiot conspiracy site claiming the moors murders was a fraud, and some hoax, calling the stories o the victims 'bullshit'

No. 96950

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>>75076
Sad but expected update. Daybell and Vallow were successfully extradited back to the US but unfortunately the remains of the kids were found in the garden of Daybell this month. They were 7 and 17. The court case is ongoing but it's clear in any case that they did it, pic related is Vallow's supposed motive

>>95536
post caps next time if you want to generate discussion

No. 96953

You guys see this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrXKnNfAIYU

Kids "randonauting" find a suitcase with a body in it in Seattle. recorded the whole thing on tiktok. the whole thing is unnerving, something about the whole video and situation really puts you in the kids shoes. i can't imagine the smell and general dread that these kids felt. they had to wait 3 hours for the cops to come and watched as the suitcase slowly got swept away by the tide, making the extraction process ten times longer and having to call in divers. i feel for these kids, they obviously are trying to handle the emotional weight of the situation with laughing. this shit is terrifying tbh.

i'm not into paranormal shit but randonaughting is apparently going to random gps coordinates with a spirtual "intention"? so like these kids requested travel and were sent coordinates to this beach and found the suitcase…obviously it's a coincidence but it's incredible how they stumbled across a body in this manner. does seattle have ANOTHER cereal killer lads??

No. 96954

>>96953
I saw that. It was very unsettling.
Who is running this app?
Is it actually random?

No. 96960

>>96953
It’s so fucked knowing there’s a body underneath that plastic. I hope they find justice for this person and that those kids can recover.

I wonder if the response time was so slow because they didn’t take these kids seriously but inadvertently made the case ever harder for themselves.

No. 96984

>>96953
I’m not sure if these articles refer to the remains found by the kids but if they’re not, it looks like there were even more bags with human body parts inside discovered in west Seattle area last week. This definitely could be a serial killer dumping bodies into the sea.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/20/us/human-remains-seattle/index.html

https://www.google.pl/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1231630

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Discovered this case some time ago and couldn't stop thinking about it.

Basically Pakistani authorities seized an illegal artifact, a mummy, and brought it to a national museum in Karachi in the year 2000.
Museum officials came to a conclusion that it was either a Persian or an Egyptian princess.

Because it was Persian in origin, Iran, former Persia, demanded the ownership of the mummy. Fight between the two countries over the ownership of the mummy ensued.

During all this, there were hints that the Pakistani museum officials actually had no idea what or who the mummy actually was.

Meanwhile a man named Oscar Muscarella, from Metropolitan Museum of Art and a supposed expert on forged artifacts, is asked for his opinion through photographs.

Well it turned out Muscarella had actually received photographs of that exact same mummy some time earlier, from someone in Pakistan who claimed it was a daughter of king Xerxes. The letter received with the photographs also said they have video footage of the mummy if the museum Muscarella worked for was interested in buying it.

Muscarella suspected the mummy was fake, so he contacted the original translators of inscriptions on the mummy and it's "belongings" and it did indeed say the mummy was a daughter of Xerxes.

However, after investigating some more, it was discovered the inscriptions were inconsistent with the timeline of the mummys supposed death and that the inscriptions did not use old Persian, which was used around the time of supposed death. Infact, the inscription was likely no older than from 1930s.

As months went by more discoveries were made. Such as, the mummy had no heart which was unheard of in mummifying at that time and place. Her tendons were still intact, while on a real centuries old mummy they would have already decayed away.

It was later discovered the supposed Persian princess was a short woman in her early 20s who had died in 1996 from blunt force trauma to her backbone and pelvis(as if hit by a car). Her teeth had been removed after death.

It was suspected that either her grave was robbed or she was in fact murdered. Investigation on her murder was opened and she was given a proper burial in 2008. Her identity and what happened to her before her death remain unsolved to this day.

Link for more, slightly outdated, info https://archive.archaeology.org/0101/etc/persia.html

No. 96997

>The Slaying of Suzanne Capper

from wiki:
>The murder of Suzanne Capper was committed in Greater Manchester, England in December 1992. Sixteen-year-old Suzanne Jane Capper died in Withington Hospital on 18 December 1992, from multiple organ failure arising from 80% burns after she was deliberately set on fire on 14 December. Before her death, Capper related that she had previously been kidnapped and kept prisoner for seven days at a house in Moston, Manchester, where she was beaten and tortured.

I actually got sweaty hand palms while watching this video yesterday. The absolute worst.

No. 97007

>>96953
Poor kids. I'm glad they called the police, but that's terrifying

No. 97009

>>96997
This world is full of sick people. I cant imagine what that poor teenager went through. Just… horrible

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No. 97016

What about the Long Island serial killer LISK? Obviously the Suffolk County police are involved and covering evidence. About two weeks ago LE was court ordered to release a 20 minute 911 call from one of the victims made the night she was murdered, but still nothing. Very little fanfare as well. The police have been withholding this tape for years. Wonder when there will be accountability especially with the current political climate

No. 97035

>>96953
anyone else find the kid's reaction weirdly unsettling?

No. 97054

>>97035
Do you? I think they reacted very naturally, the reactions actually convince me it's not some kind of scam for tiktok popularity. It's very common for people to laugh and try to joke around when they're nervous / uncomfortable. Definitely surprised me to see youtube comments condemning the behavior; sure when you watch it on your screen from far away, already knowing it's a dead body, it feels like it's a dead serious matter that has to be approached with dead serious mood, but when you dont know that yet and just consider the possibility, it's so abstract and terrifying it's almost an automatic reaction to laugh it off.

No. 97062

>>97054
This, plus I don't expect these kids to recognize the stench of death, they had no idea what they were opening up. They were looking for something that related to the concept of "travel" so it must have made them excited to see a suitcase, and maybe they were expecting it to be a set-up for some kind of prank because of how unlikely that was. Maybe they even hoped for some kind of treasure, or weed!
I feel bad for them in a way, it's become expected to document literally everything with video now (protests, shootings, suspicious people following you etc), but because they happened to find a dead body instead of a quirky prank they might get hit with some of the residual anger from the Logan Paul Suicide Forest fiasco.

No. 97071

>>97054
when i was around 12 my mom drove by an investigation scene with a half burnt corpse and i remember being choked and saying 'omg' a lot of times. i didn't even smell anything. i do think their reaction is weird, they saw there was a plastic bag with probably pieces of someone inside and kept filming and laughing, not a normal reaction imo. maybe cuz nowadays everyone wants to film literally anything and became more desensitized to awful things.

No. 97086

>>97071
>>97035
The laughing is not that weird. That was a scary and uncomfortable situation, and usually when confronted by something this scary/uncomfortable/unsettling, the first thing most humans do is mimic whatever someone else is doing. So if one of those kids happened to laugh for some reason(some people might laugh when they discover something traumatizing, or they might just be a total psycho), the others followed their example.

No. 97292

>>97035
i don't think it's strange that they're joking, laughing, nervous about whats going on when they're discovering the suitcase because they didn't really know what was happening and they're kids. what i don't understand (and what isn't in that linked video but i saw in a reddit thread about the original tiktok) is them driving past the cop cars after it was confirmed to be a dead body jovially exclaiming something like "DRIVING PAST THE CRIME SCENE Y'ALL!" and then doing a retarded tiktok greenscreen of them looking ~shook~ in front of google results of the body being found. the dude who recorded the video also did a livestream the next day answering a shitload of questions about what happened with no regard to how that could compromise a fucking murder investigation. i don't care how young you are, that shit is so obviously clout chasing and straight up disrespectful.

No. 97834

Update to the Lorie Vallow case, the kids remains were found. I was really hoping they'd be found alive but two kids were missing for so long it was pretty clear this end was inevitable unfortunately.

No. 98216

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>>9088
Has anyone ever heard of the circleville writer? It’s one of the craziest stories I’ve heard. A couple terrorised by threatening, blackmailing anonymous letters which resulted in the husband crashing into a tree whilst drunk & firing his gun out of the window, his wife almost executed by Trying to remove a booby trapped sign with appalling things written about her on it, and her brother in law Being framed and spending 10 yrs in jail. The letters started spreading to more and more people and where even sent to the brother in law whilst he was in prison for attempted murder.

Absolutely crazy shit. Something a psycho farmer/femcel would do kek. They where never found out either.

https://www.darkhistories.com/the-circleville-letters-mystery/

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No. 98218

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No. 98219

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The sign rigged with a gun set to fgo off. A poorly erased serial no. Lead to her brother in law. This happened after her husbands death. The allegations from the writer (she washaving An affair with the school superintendent) turned out to be true

No. 98420

Has anyone watched the Unsolved Mysteries reboot on Netflix?

I just finished it and I thought it was really well done. I was worried it was going to be in name only but they kept the creepy theme and made it even creepier. I didn't care much for the 5th episode because I'm not really into aliens and stuff (it's not that I don't believe it but most paranormal stuff is simply "take our word for it" which doesn't interest me as much). My favorite one was the French episode because I'm a sucker for missing person cases (I know the girl from the six episode is also a missing person but it's so obvious she was killed so she wouldn't rat her mother out).

Also fuck Rob.

No. 98422

>>98420
I liked it a lot too! I skipped the 5th episode and then watched it later for the same reason (don't really like paranormal stuff) but I thought it was pretty well-done, considering. The French one was so eerie, I read some more about the case later because I couldn't get it out of my head and the detail about the father having dinner alone with the oldest son while the rest of the family was dead was haunting. Apparently they didn't speak much at the restaurant at the time. It really makes you wonder if he knew what was about to happen.

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>Chinese bus driver's rented apartment is marked for demolition
>He's offered compensation
>Doesn't even claim it, just gets drunk and deliberately crashes bus
>Kills 21 people including self
I'm never going outdoors again, people are psychos

This is a different type of crime that we usually see in this thread, but it's scary to imagine that it could happen at any place or time without warning

No. 99181

>>99180
Thta's what scares me the most. I'm getting paranoid

No. 99194

>>99180
Holy. Fuck. This reminded me of that Canadian case where a normal looking guy got on a bus, sat down, and then out of the blue took out a knife and cut off the head of the guy sitting next to him. The world is full of insane people

No. 99201

>>99180
"Disgruntled"

No. 99206

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>>99180
Reminds me a lot of the case of that German pilot who decided to commit suicide with 150 people on board of the plane in 2015. He locked himself in the cockpit when the other pilot went to the toilet, and then disabled the outside access (a feature made after 9/11 to prevent terrorist from hijacking the plane). It's haunting to imagine last minutes before the crash, the pilot locked outside fought to break the door, the passengers and crew must have known for a while what's going to happen to them. Absolutely terrifying.

No. 99272

>>99180
>>99194
>>99206
I hate this. I wish men would just kill themselves instead of involving innocent lives. i feel for those poor people.

No. 105384

anyone else watch the golden state killer hearing today? he gave a brief statement saying he’s truly sorry. i still can’t believe he got caught.

No. 105421

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>>105384

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/california/article245142970.html
I love how the DA btfo’d his little “frail old man” act. It was obvious from the start that he’d try to manipulate the court into showing leniency, but it’s actually disturbing to see how spry this fucker really is, even at that age. No wonder he’d been able to sneak up on his victims and flee the crime scenes so many times.
Also, fuck that “apology”. It’d be better if he said nothing at all. I’m so glad he and his micro dick are going to rot away in prison.

No. 110383

how can you tell if a story you heard is true or not?

I was listening to scary stories narrated on youtube, the particular channel was swamp dweller. he was reading a story (I have no idea where the story came from, maybe reddit, maybe a viewer sent it in, maybe it came from somewhere else). anyway, the theme was park ranger stories and this person claimed to have been a park ranger in alaska in the 90's. they said a girl's family asked him to check up on her because they thought she might have went missing in the wilderness, and he heard she left town, so he went to check in with the pilot who supposedly flew her home. but when he got to the pilot's cabin, the pilot was dead and there were claw marks on his cabin. then later the park ranger saw a blonde girl outside of his house after hearing a knock on his door, but when he opened the door there was no one there. then he heard things banging against his house and when he went outside to check there were trash bags full of body parts that had been thrown at his house. he said he told the police and there wasn't much the police could do (which seems like bullshit).

that's a short summary of the story and there was a lot more to it, but anyway. it was a creepy story but sounds fake as fuck. I have lived in alaska my whole life and have never heard of this, I'm pretty sure if it really happened it would be all over the news. I have been searching for news stories about similar things and I can't find anything.

No. 110386

>>110383
That sounds very much like it could be a part of the famous r/nosleep series "I'm a Search and Rescue Officer for the US Forest Service", which would make it not true.

No. 111011

>>110383

You think about the ratio of supernatural-sounding stories that are true to ones that are made up. (Pretty much 0)

No. 111016

>>99194
That case scares me the most out of all true crime cases.

No. 114029

I read the murder of James Bulger and I feel like throwing up. Not only because of how gruesome and sad the case was, but also because of how terribly the UK dealt with it, what the fuck? I can't believe after murdering and raping a child people aren't just straight up killed. I can't believe one of his murderers' was arrested for CP TWICE. Gosh anons. Curiosity just isn't worth it sometimes, I need to stop reading up on cases like these.

No. 115448

Has anyone here read People who eat darkness?

No. 115571

>>115448
I've been meaning to forever! Maybe I will actually read it soon.
Why do you ask, anon? Have you read it or also are planning to?

No. 119001

this guy's commentary videos are so funny as background noise and make my day. it's best when the murderer was stupid or arrogant

No. 119002

>>119001
another favourite

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Is any other anon fascinated with the Parker-Hulme murder, or at least from New Zealand?
I've been obsessed with this case for years and I am revisiting both Heavenly Creatures as well as available books, documents etc. every now and then. What absolutely kills me is that very little of 120 transcribed pages of Pauline's diary have been published. I've been wondering how feasible would it be for either a New Zealand citizen or a tourist such as myself to request access to the court documents in order to copy them and share with the internet?
I'm pissed that this case is absolutely being slept on, despite the publicity of Peter Jackson's movie, Juliet Hulme aka Anne Perry being a relatively famous crime fiction writer etc. I know that it's quite okd, but I bet that if it was a pair of two homosexual boys instead, they would have an active fandom by now (not that I believe that murderers should have fandoms).
I will be looking into a possibility of obtaining access to the diaries on my own, but decided it wouldn't hurt to ask.

No. 126880

Does anyone have recommendations for respectful true crime podcasts? I'm so sick of hosts trying to make it all about them and peppering in stupid air horns and guessing games, while the elephant in the room is that people have been murdered.

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>>126880
Casefile is very good, the only one I'd ever stick to because of respectful reporting.

No. 126892

>>126510
I remember watching Heavenly Creatures when I was younger and reading about the case afterward because I was so fascinated it was real. It really feels so theatrical it's hard to believe it happened and that both of them are still out there, living totally normal lives separate from one another. If you ever get access to the diaries, it'd be amazing.

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do you think the west memphis three are guilty? they were three teens who were accused of murdering 3 young boys in 1993 despite little forensic evidence linking them to the crime. Jessie confessed to the crimes multiple times but people claimed he was coerced under duresse as he has intellectual disabilities. They were the subject of a documentary called paradise lost which portrayed them as goth youths who were ostracized and scapegoated as a result of satanic panic. They gained the popular support of many celebrities like Johnny Depp and they were released from jail in 2011. Heads up to anyone interested in the documentary, the first few minutes contain very graphic footage of the boys' bodies being retrieved

No. 154202

>>154199
I think they're innocent and were themselves vicitims of lazy small town police work. The lack of their DNA at the murder scene and bite marks not matching is what convinces me the most. As for Jessie's confessions, I can definetely believe he was coerced. There've been cases of people way smarter than him being pushed by detectives into admitting to crimes they didn't commit and Jessie was an easy target due to being basically retarded. You can read a transcript of his first statement here (NSFW) http://www.dpdlaw.com/JessieFirstStatement.htm and it's clear he was being asked leading questions and talking about things that didn't happen.
What makes me suspicious on the other hand, is John Mark Byers (Chris Byers' stepfather) being dodgy about the bloody knife and his teeth removal and Terry Hobbs (Stevie Branch's stepfather) having Stevie's pocket knife in his posession for no reason after the murder and acting suspicious according to his own family. There's also that whole "Mr. Bojangles" thing, but my gut instinct tells me the stepfathers were somehow involved in the murder. I really hope those dead kids will receive justice someday, but I'm not too hopeful about the case being reopened.

No. 154203

>>154202
Out of context that confession would be pretty damning but it's clear they gave him positive reinforcements to coax him into talking by pretending they were on his side. There's a rumour of one of his fan girls clamouring for his innocence but taking her claims back once she actually met in prison and asked what really happened but it's probably just a rumour. Damien was/is definitely suspicious as hell though he was dating 13yo girls, threatening violence and being sleazy in general. However such flaws of character aren't proof he did it. The stepdads seem really sketchy too, i think it's sad the boys didn't have a good homelife either and they died so violently. That mr bojangles theory creeps me out so much, who knows if that guy was responsible for the crime or just a random homeless drunk who got in a fight. As you pointed out, the boys will never get definitive justice unless science makes huge strides since the trio is still technically guilty so they have no incentive to look for another suspect.

No. 154209

>>154203
Oh, I definetely don't agree with people going "Echols' only crime was being a poor misunderstood goth surrounded by small-minded bible belt people uwu". He was 100% creepy and antisocial and I don't think the police were a bunch of braindead hicks who singled him out for no reason other than that he liked metal music. It's just that they decided early on that he and the other two guys were 100% the culprits, while ignoring other potential leads, that was lazy and irresponsible on the detecitives' part.
Mr. Bojangles theory is interesting and would explain a lot but, in my personal opinion, not super likely to be true, because cases of child murder this brutal and meticulously carried out are rarely random. A lot of times when kids get killed or go missing out of the blue there's a family member involved.

No. 154292

>>126880
i find anatomy of murder, suffer the little children, morbidology, and this is monsters to be the most tolerable. i hate flippant true crime podcasters/youtubers too. it grosses me out when they are making jokes and shit while talking about women being brutalized. totally tone deaf. jim cant swim is a youtube channel but also very good.

No. 154302

Many Jane and John Does have been identified in the past year, are there any people you dearly hope will be identified soon? Although he has already been identified and his family chose not to disclose his name, I really wonder what kind of life Lyle Stevik led and what made him choose to end his life on the other side of the country. The failed 9/11 terrorist, gay escort etc theories were pretty dumb and offensive

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>>154302
Walker Jane Doe, her death was horrific, but apparently the DNA Doe Project isn't currently working on her because they don't research on children and there's a chance she was a minor. Also St Louis Jane Doe.

No. 154334

>>154308
>apparently the DNA Doe Project isn't currently working on her because they don't research on children
Do we know why not though? I checked the Wikipedia page and didn't find any explanation of that

No. 154352

Maybe this is ot. But does anyone else hate how people get riled up about "spoilers" on true crime YouTube video comments?

No. 154355

>>126880
Criminal podcast with Phoebe Judge. She actually looks at all kinds of interesting cases, not just women getting violently murdered ad nauseam. She’s a solo podcaster so no stupid giggly wine mom banter and she’s always super respectful and rarely if ever injects herself into the story like Crime Junkie and similar assholes.

No. 154390

>>154352
Tbh pretty much anything that true crime community tends to do pisses me off. Stuff like ranting about "spoilers", posting dumb NLOG memes in podcast discussion groups and fixating on gory details rather than victims' stories makes it clear they listen/watch for entertainment and edgelord points, rather than out of any real desire to learn. Even with a super serious podcast like Casefile they'll find a way to twist the discusion into talking abot how hot the host sounds or something. Just watch a horror movie if all you want is to get creeped out and act disrespectful.

No. 154404

>>154209
Can you elaborate on why you feel the way you do about Echols?
I don't know much about this case.

No. 155052

Dumb thought.It's always bothered me that age progressed pictures s of missing blonde children also have blonde hair. Young children with blonde hair often have darker hair as adults.

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who killed jonbenét?

No. 155286

>>155255
We'll likely never know, just like with Zodiac or D.B.Cooper.

No. 155291

>>155286
It pisses me off because it could’ve been easily solved but the Boulder PD fucked up the crime scene so badly. I don’t subscribe to any particular theory but I always thought the Ramsays knew a lot more than they let on.

No. 155323

Why are there so many people who still believe Amanda Knox killed Meredith even after all the evidence was found that pointed to her being innocent?

No. 155330

>>155323
because muhh sexism

No. 155349

>>155255
Either Burke or John, but it was an accident that they tried to cover up.

No. 155374

>>155255
Burke.

No. 157785

Can someone please recommend me good true crime channels and podcasts? There is so much garbage and I trust farmer's taste in media. Obviously I want something factual and tasteful.

No. 157793

>>157785
I really like Stephanie Harlowe, JCS Criminal Psychology, Kendall Rae, the podcast Court Junkie (not to be confused with Crime Junkie which I think is annoying) and Matt Orchard

No. 157797

>>157785
Casefile is extremely good. It's extremely respectful, very well researched & well produced & has good tag navigation.

No. 157847

>>157785
They’re not super popular yet but I enjoy murder with my husband a lot.

No. 157850

>>157785
seconding stephanie harlow, john lordan, danielle hallan, john crymes, disturban

No. 157948

Do you anons think that the whole theory of Courtney Love killing Kurt Cobain has some merit, or is utter bullshit?

No. 157954

>>157948
Nah, she was an abusive cunt tho

No. 157964

>>157948
Nah. She’s a shitty person but that theory always seemed stupid. He was clearly depressed and his fans need to accept that instead of blaming a woman.

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Anyone else thought that movie was boring as shit? I don't understand why you should sympathize with Liz when she kept dating him and endangering her child even after tipping him in. The real girlfriend and her daughter gave interviews and the daughter was definitely molested as well. Also that choice of cast is somewhat eyebrow raising but there's no stopping tumblr ephebophilia folly anyway kek

No. 158420

I'm surprised so many recommend Stephanie Harlowe. she's a pickme but also a mother of 3 so it's extra irritating.

No. 158422

>>157785
I like last podcast on the left, it’s not professional and dudes shooting the shit (but respectfully)

They do get annoying at times but I prefer it over shit like sword and shield

No. 158498

>>158420
For what it's worth she actually does proper research and shows respect to the victims. The only thing I don't like is her sponsorships which make the whole act look cheap.

But compared to people like "thatchapter" who present a shortened version with incomplete info, throw in a lot of their own opinions and don't show respect, she's good.

No. 158541

>>158403
Is this the Ted Bundy movie? The one with Zack Efron? It was just okay to me, nothing special. I doubt Ted acted like that a lot of the times.

No. 158543

Nonnies, who do you think the WORST true crime YouTuber/podcaster is?

No. 158545

>>158543
most def bella fiori and bailey sarian

No. 158549

>>158543
Bailey Sarian. To me it seems borderline sociopathic and also disrespectful to do your makeup while talking about (and monetizing) someone's death. I also feel weird about mixing ASMR with true crime

No. 158550

>>158403
It was bad, yeah. Also didn't understand why the director thought Liz's realization of Ted being a murderer would make a good plot twist, after all the audience knew that from the first second.
I read a gossip somewhere that in the original script, they would have been just an unnamed couple and the guy being Ted Bundy would have been only revealed in the very last scene. I feel like that would have worked so much better because there would have been actual tension and doubt on both the woman's and the audience's part whether the guy is actually a murderer

No. 158551

>>155255
Either Burke and the family covered it up or someone the family knew and they covered it up. There's literally no way someone broke in through that window without leaving footprints in the snow outside, killed the girl, then sat down and wrote a multiple page ransom note and left undetected. Impossible. Had to be someone from inside the house

No. 158570

>>158549
Right? I checked out her podcast called Dark History and it's even worse. On one hand, she acknowledges how terrible the things she's talking about are and will point to donation sites and encourage people to read up on these events, but on the other she has her partner walk in and they joke around a bit before she reads yet another ad. It seems so disrespectful and I can't tell if she actually cares or if these are nothing but fun stories to her.

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>>158550
I guess the plotwist was Liz having tipped him in as you only learn this about halfway through the movie. That premise is cool and would fit the ''evil living among us'' theme but it would have been hard to sell it as is when they wanted to advertise as a ''biopic''. Anyway, I wonder how much of this is really true in first place. The real Liz insists he was a prince charming while also talking about how he was a cheater, thief and tried to kill her (you can see her say that on youtube). They lived together for many years so I guess she knows more than she lets on because how do you not notice your boyfriend burning skulls in your home or him reeking literally of death?
Both actors were very talented and the outfits were also nice though.

No. 158646

>>158636
Yeah, it was strange to me too how ambivalent she was (I read her book and the weirdest thing for me was how easily she shrugged it off that he tried to kill her. Maybe alcoholism numbed her emotionally?)
The outfits were cute indeed! Also the makeup artist did a great job with making Efron look like Bundy

No. 159544

>>158543
The guy who doxxed the kid whose mom got murdered and played the 911 call of the victim crying

No. 160331

someone on reddit found what looks to be adam lanza's youtube channel with actual videos of him talking on it. it's kind of blowing my mind and i have no one to share it with irl for obvious reasons. i remember there being a few lanzafags on this board though. the channel is called culturalphilistine if any anons are interested. don't know if youtube will take it down or not since i guess it hasn't been confirmed to be adam lanza (though it does sound like him to me).

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>>157948
she’s an insufferable junkie but she didn’t kill kurt.

but elliot smith’s gf (jennifer chiba) likely killed him though. a dude like elliot who did crack, heroin, and contemplated suicide in various way is not going to randomly drop the drugs and stab himself while stone cold sober (with zero hesitation wounds) straight in the heart after a petty argument.

No. 160358

>>160331
omg im on it, thank you anon! will report back

No. 160391

>>160358
godspeed, anon! the og channel has already been flagged last time i checked, but i think someone has an archive channel up. otherwise i could also post a download link

No. 160398

>>160391
>>160358
there’s a lot of archives on r/masskillers, if anyone wants to check them out. There’s a lot of people angry that youtube took down the channel but it’s not surprising at all, after all most of the videos were of him defending pedophilia and well, he’s a mass murderer after all, of course YT won’t want to host his content.
I’m still mindblown that his channel was found after so many years by a few autists on discord, but Im so glad they did. It kinda “humanizes” him in a way, since all we had from his were blog posts, emails and one scripted phone call. Hearing him ramble and get angry at comments is wild. Most of us speculated he did it because he thought he was saving those kids, so it’s cool to have a confirmation that that’s what happened.

No. 160404

>>160398
>>160398
KF has backups too, you can watch them directly
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/adam-lanza-youtube-channel-discovered-culturalphilistine.100047/
I was at work so I didn't watch anything yet. Do the videos confirm his motive being saving the children from adulthood/society?
On a related note, I wonder what the SandyHook Lighthouse guy thinks. He dug up Lanza's potential YT and forum accounts years ago. Guess I will check his site/blog…

No. 160409

>>160398
>>160404
yes anon i totally felt the same way listening to the videos. it really does humanize him (not necessarily in a more sympathetic way). feels surreal because i first started researching the case when i was 18 and now i'm older than lanza was when he died. listening to the audio he just sounds like… an edgy kid. honestly bits of it reminded me of myself and my friends when we were younger. he's still a pos obviously but… it just feels really strange. that being said, even though i could relate to some stuff i just can't see how one could make the entitled leap that just because you're a societal fuckup and can't exist happily in current society that you have to go and project that onto others but maybe that's just scrote behavior.

hearing him genuinely laugh and stutter was surreal to listen to as well. also ironic how in his videos he talks about not having any plans to kill himself any time soon.

No. 160410

>>160404
I haven’t watched all videos yet but in one of them he says something along the lines of “you want to destroy children, I want to save them”. He goes on about how being born and civilization is rape, anti natalism and how people oppose to CSA because they see kids as property and only him and pedophiles don’t. I find it interesting that he didn’t consider himself a pedo tho.

No. 160414

>>160409
>>160410
Listening to one of those videos and it's so ASMR, what the fuck. I hate that I find his voice comforting (well, ignoring the mass murderer of children spouting BS thing).
IDK if I remember correctly, but wasn't Lanza sexually interested in men? He wrote some gay sex emails/PMs. I think he may have been bisexual. Also, vaguely remember him losing sex drive due to anorexia, but that may have been someone's speculation.
I know it's controversial, but I can genuinely imagine him arguing for children's 'rights' to have 'consensual' relationships with pedophiles, even though he wasn't a pedo. Don't get me wrong, he still may have been one. Despite my comment on his voice, I'm not a Lanza fangirl coping hard with my school shooter oppa being a pedo. It's just that I'm certain that bizzare take on children's rights made sense to Lanza since he was traumatized by the concept of society and he had zero knowledge about psychology (he was literally a sperg who hated therapists).
Checked https://shelteredstorm.com/ (aka website hosting the book by Sandy Hook Lighthouse), and the ebook has been taken down. I'm too lazy to check when it was last available and if Matthew Nolan may be updating it with the new findings. On a very vaguely related note, I suddenly remembered the blonde tumblr girl who was obsessed with Lanza many years ago. She had a come to jesus moment AFAIR (and maybe even posted on the farms about it?), but I wonder if she was tempted to check out the new recordings. I know I would be.

No. 160419

>>160414
kek he does have a surprisingly nice voice tbh
I think so? I mean I’m not an expert about him, but all his tumblr urls were “gay/queerfor(insert mass killer) and he said he found boobs gross. He definitely wasn’t straight imo. The sex drive thing is confirmed too, he also mentions it on one of the videos how he thought he was asexual but turns out his BMI was only 14.
Hm, could be, he was mentally I’ll enough that I wouldn’t put it past him. I just always assumed he was a pedo because story he wrote about a man having relationships with a child, and his overall obsession with the topic. He also mentions in one of the videos that he was attracted to boys with the bodies of anorexic 12 year old girls. Kinda sus if you ask me, but what you say does make sense too.
Was it that girl posted on the old hybristophile threads? I wonder what she’s up to nowadays.

No. 160421

>>160414
kek don't worry i felt the same way. kind of uncomfy to admit but if you ignore the content of what he's saying the videos are kind of relaxing and the way that he's just rambling makes it sound like he's talking directly to you. i could see him not being a pedophile just because with how autistically obsessed with pedophilia he is i don't see why he wouldn't have just admitted he was one (if not on youtube then on some of the other documented websites he'd go on). but if it turns out he was a pedo i wouldn't be surprised either kek.

i don't remember where i saw this, but i think when they recovered some old documents on his computer that he had a list of ideal qualities in a partner and he referenced how he wouldn't mind if his partner was a guy or a girl. either way, he seemed pretty sex repulsed but maybe not necessarily aromantic. seeing people on reddit making comparisons to randy stair, which i think is stupid.

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I watched a video about this case and I google it every once in a while to see if there’s been any developments but nothing.
Rebecca Reutsch went missing in 2019 after spending the night at her sister and her husband’s place. The last time she was seen was at night, since her sister had to go to the daycare to drop off her child at 7am and the husband, Florian, got home at 6am after going to a job party. Her mother tried to call her to wake her up at 7.15am to wake her up to go to school, but she didn’t pick up, she then messaged her on whatsapp and received the message. The mother calls the sister to see if Rebecca is okay but since she was not home, she called her husband who told her that she must’ve left already because she’s not home.
Florian is the main suspect and he’s sketchy as fuck. He got arrested because the morning of Rebecca’s disappearance, he was seen traveling to Poland (around an hour and a half away), back to Germany again and then a few days later he crossed the border again. He had to be released because of lack of evidence, but Rebecca’s family stood by him. Rebecca was wearing and pink jacket and a blanket the morning she went missing, fluffs of the jacket and her hair were found on Florian’s car, but the family says that’s normal because she spent a lot of time traveling with her sister and BIL.
He got arrested again tho, because the police still think he’s responsable. This time he confessed to traveling to Poland twice, but because he was a drug dealer and was making a deal with someone in Poland. The second trip he did it because he lost his wedding ring and went back to look for it (how do you lose a ring during a drug deal?) Police searched for Rebecca in the woods where he was at, but didn’t find anything. Obviously, the police had to release him again because they still had no proof.
After this, Rebecca’s family went to the police claiming that they were suspecting of the wrong person, and that they should start looking at this guy called “Max”. Apparently Rebecca had been talking to this guy online, and had asked her parents if she could go meet him in person, but they obviously told her no. The day after Rebecca went missing, Max deleted all his social media accounts. They think Max was a groomer, and that Rebecca went to meet up with him the morning she went missing, skipping school. Police looked into him and think that he has nothing to do with the case. I read somewhere that they found out who it was, but it was a reddit comment so take it with a grain of salt.
And this is pretty much it, I think. She still hasn’t been found and AFAIK the family is still defending Florian.
My theory is that Florian did it 100% and the family is in denial because “how could someone we trust so much do this??”. I think he came home drunk from the party way before 6am, tried to hit on her and she refused or he assaulted her. Afraid that Rebecca would tell her sister about this, he killed her and disposed of her body somewhere between Berlin and the polish woods he claims the drug deal happened.
Maybe the person behind the Max account was Florian posing as a guy her age, or maybe it was just a dumb 15 year old who saw this girl he was talking to online went missing, panicked, and deleted his accounts thinking they would somehow link him to her disappearance.
Forgot to mention the family and the police kept fighting over the case, besides them defending Florian. The 1st pictures they released of Rebecca were heeeeavily edited, she looks like a complete different person. Family says they gave the police unedited pictures that didn’t get used until late into the investigation; the police says the edited pics are all the family gave them. So who knows what truly happened here.
I’d love to hear from german anons who know about the case, english media didn’t pick up on it and there’s probably many details that I’m not aware of.

>>160477
hasn’t he been posing as her on instagram too? He’s guilty as fuck AND dumb, it’s surprising he hasn’t slipped up somehow yet. I wonder if he told his family the truth because they’re also not cooperating with the police.

No. 160773

>>160772
Put your tinfoil hat on nonny.

I the whole family is involved with the case. The sister found Florian and Rebecca together, attacked her or had her murdered.

Florian was put in charge of disposing the body, because he was fooling around with Rebecca. She could have been the kind girl to fool around guys so the family thought she had this coming

No. 160776

>>160773
I do find it super weird that they’re still supporting him after all this time. If I were in their shoes, I’d start thinking “what if…” after seeing literally nothing else pointed to him being innocent and that there are no other suspects. Either they are involved somehow or, idk… I just don’t understand how they can be so sure he’s innocent.

No. 160778

>>160776
They could be also protecting him, fully knowing what he did - in case where he killed Rebecca.

Sometimes people love their family so much, that they're willing to overlook their crimes.

No. 160779

>>160477
this is truly insane, how would she go missing for so long and the boyfriend doesn't even report it? i know these kind of news articles need to remain unbiased but god, its so so obvious this guy killed her. just his face is creepy. nonas, don't date a bald guy with dead eyes.

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>>160477
God her scrote is an ugly piece of shit. I'm sure he killed her, poor girl

No. 161143

>>160826
They found her body. I don’t want to jump to conclusions but everything points to it being this guy thats done away with her. Poor girl. I hope the solve it quickly. It’s so nuts to me that you see these social media people seemingly living the dream and it’s far from it

No. 161148

>>161143
https://abcnews.go.com/US/location-brian-laundrie-boyfriend-missing-22-year-gabby/story?id=80090573
they still haven't found the bf either; hopefully he offed himslef, the worthless scrote

No. 161222

>>158545
I don’t get the trend of fat girls putting on drag queen makeup while talking about true crime. Can someone explain this to me?

No. 161264

>>161222
I don't really get it either, but I think they're probably appealing because they're good to put on in the background so you can listen to it while doing other stuff. True crime is also kind of a ""normie"" interest now, so I think the combination of a makeup video and a brief overview of a case is probably appealing to people who are more interested in true crime in general as opposed to people who are interested in specific cases or types of crimes. Personally, I find those videos boring and don't see the point since you could just google most of the information that these people are talking about.

No. 161267

>>161264
>you could just google most of the information that these people are talking about.
That's my problem with going to youtube or even podcasts for true crime. Why just not read a book or case files? Watching someone describe the story to me feels like eating a meal that someone has chewed and spat out. I guess videos and podcasts are acceptable for cases you are not super interested in, though.

No. 161283

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>>160826
what the fuck he looks like that ugly guy who got posted on something awful all the time

No. 161301

>>158545
>>158549
>>158570
>>161222
>>161264
>>161267
Thankfully we're not alone on this.

No. 161320

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Thoughts on Brian Laundrie/the Gabby Petito case? Do you think he’s hiding in the swamp or dead or has fled the country?

No. 161322

>>161320
I think he fled and is still in the country, and I think his parents absolutely have an idea of his whereabouts.

No. 161324

>>161320
I think the amount of things multiple different authorities did wrong, and the extent to which they all fucked up, is so insane and so sad. so many little things done sooner or differently and she'd still be here. His entire family needs to be heavily investigated and interrogated, especially if the worst case scenario ends up happening (him taking the coward's route and killing himself without her family ever getting answers) and they need to be searching for his stupid bald ass in puerto rico at this point, not in florida and sure as hell not anywhere in the direction that the family claims he went, since they're so blatantly covering for him. sorry i'm super biased but like, it's hard not to be biased when so many of the Laundrie family's actions are SO sketchy.

No. 161337

>>159544
god damn I didn't hear about that, who was that?

No. 161345

>>161320
I want them to catch him and for justice to be served but a part of me really hopes he walked into the woods and topped himself. Fucking psycho.

No. 161349

>>160826
Confirmation that young (/any) men with shaven heads and beards are fucking unhinged and should be avoided at all costs. Never met a single one of them who wasn't either a hair-trigger hothead or a smarmy self-deprecating narc.

No. 161354

>>161320
He's hiding under his sister's neck.

No. 164500

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Do you guys remember the guy that spent thousands of dollars on a camgirl from Bulgaria and killed his family?

Turns out he played Granblue Fantasy, was in a 4chan guild and somebody leaked the crime scene photos there. Like the full stuff with corpses, it's on a google drive in 4chan archives. Just posting this because it's relatively bizarre, normalfag media just reported him as a weaboo but I bet they would have loved the 4chan incel angle.

No. 164514

>>164500
I've seen the crime scene photos before but not his house. He is a bigger weeb than I thought, most news reports made it sound like an incel with no other hobbies… man that's sad

No. 164527

>>164514
The house is actually really rich looking, he even had a dedicated workout room. He has tons of death note posters and figures, like a 15 year old. And I'd say he spent over 10k dollars of his parents money on his figure collection all over the house.

No. 164530

>>164500
Can I have a name of this guy? Anything? I'm curious though I don't really want to see dead bodies…

No. 164531

>>164530
Grant Amato, there's a lot of articles about him. Here's the 4chan discussion
https://arch.b4k.co/vg/thread/355849974/#355865161

No. 166378

>>164514
He is absolutely an incel. He just happens to be an incel who's into shitty manga like every other unemployed loser his age, and collected stacks of figurines that he just kept in his closet. He literally had zero personality or redeeming qualities.



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