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I don’t know if I believe she killed herself? She was looking really weak in recent pictures and the fire department says she showed signs of cardiac arrest. We know she was drinking a lot.
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Jonghyun had cardiac arrest too
You are acting as if this is something special to Korea and kpop as if Kim Kardashian, Taylor Swift, any big youtuber etc. doesn't get 1000s of hate comments every day.
It sucks, but people are assholes and if you don't have the mental strength to ignore and not let the comments get to you, you shouldn't be in the entertainment industry.
Nobody even knows these idols in real life, how are you supposed to keep an eye on them? By stalking news about them 24/7 ? Kek
Keep an eye on your friends and family, don't stalk idols like they are your friends it's unhealthy to think that way.
4 months ago, Dasom made a live video that was really similar to the one Sulli made where she just cried the whole time. I think she is also in that same little circle of idols too. So thats very related to this >>57397
. A lot of times depressed people are drawn to one another and it makes for a really bad situation. It almost always ends badly for at least one. Hopefully somehow, all the others will get help.
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Kyla tweeted this
She was also best friends with IU, who has talked about having bulimia.>>57408
Good that Kyla left kpop early into her career.
I was a fan of T-ara and can remember just how horrid and helpless of a situation it felt like for them. Literally being threatened, told to kill themselves, being booed and ~black oceaned~ during lives and worse over a situation that was a completely fabricated bullshit lie and the actual perpetrator had the nerve to ride the wave and play the victim and got rewarded for it. I can remember their parents literally coming to events and begging people to be kind to their kids because they were suffering so badly. And I remember the youngest member who had literally been physically assaulted and threatened by the ACTUAL bully and her twin, being ostracized and treated so badly by netizens, that she began starving herself and quite literally drove herself insane over it, then got shit on about that, taken out of the group, and put in a mental hospital and netizens still called her crazy and a witch and all sorts of things and she was just a kid. And her mom did the same thing, getting online and crying and telling people to leave her child alone and stop being so evil towards her when she had done nothing wrong. For awhile I was convinced at least one of them would have died by now but luckily it didnt happen. Their careers are still destroyed though. None of them recovered yet Hwayoung is still trotting herself out on tv with no shame and barely gets any hate. So maybe when a parent gets online and tells people to stop being so malicious I:e Kyla's parents, the Chae sisters' parents, Daisy's parents etc, people should listen because its not cute or funny to be so damn cruel.
I didn't even know that was the method he used, jesus.
I've been feeling sick to my stomach ever since I read the news this morning and I'm holding my breath for her circle of friends mentioned before, I really hope none of them get any ideas.
I've always been a very casual kpop fan (never bought an album, never streamed etc) and I admit I still do like some groups as a guilty pleasure but I've been feeling worse and worse about it ever since Jonghyun's passing. Then the Seungri shit happened and now this, I feel iffy thinking I ever contributed to the industry in any way. Sorry if this seems overdramatic but her suicide legit triggered
One of the tara members literally admitted that there was some bullying involved but it was not as severe as knetz/inets made it sound like.
Take your shit somewhere else
Back then T-ara's Jiyeon was besties with Sulli (together with IU).
Of course the idol industry and SM entertaiment are toxic
but I feel like the main problem was her being a child actress and basically getting abondanded by her parents to make money. Who the fuck let's a 10yo move out and live alone? Just look at the western celeb thread, there's not a single child actor or actress who turned out normally, it's always bound to completely fuck their lives up. Of course we can't know for sure but I always had the impression that she was given a lot of freedom by her company but nevertheless it was probably too late to undo the damage of her lost childhood.
I wonder if they're going to bank on this whole depression thing now like Jyp does with Mina's anxiety. There are hardly any SM idols who haven't come out admitting that they are or were depressed at some point. Just google a group + depression and you'll get several members talking about it.
I don't like Kpop music and that's the reason I'm on Kpop crit, can't stand how Kpop gaining mainstream relevancy outside of Korea among fans who don't even understand Korean lyrics and stan idols for their visuals. It enables more exploitation and contributes to a looks/plastic surgery obsessed Kpop culture.
Even BTS preaching "Love Yourself" etc rings empty when mentally unwell members like Jungkook (he continued promoting last year when people spotted selfharm scars, at least JYP gave Mina time off) are forced to fulfil rigorous schedules to dance and sing like style-coordinated circus acts. Hope Korean idols band together and stand up to fight for more individual freedoms and better labour rights from big companies, their pop industry horror stories sound like Jackson 5 abuse stories from years ago.
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Remember when choiza met sulli (at age 15 or so) and officially started dating her when she was 19? I’m still disgusted that she got so much hate for being with him and this pedo got away with it.
I agree. It was really gross how she
got hate over this relationship just because she was a woman and was more famous than him. He
was the one writing a sexual song about her even though she was pretty young. Gross.
ew the way he was looking at her in that photo.
He was probably dating her when she was younger than 19 considering their relationship was accidentally exposed when she was 19.
I don't think he's a pedo (ephebophile like most men maybe) but most K-Rappers sound legit problematic
be it San E, Zico, Bigbang, etc rappers are like the extra shitty tryhard badboy alphas in SK where men call the shots and women's rights is already shit.
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Like seriously, in all the years I watched kpop variety I only EVER saw this guy when he was on variety shows hanging around young female idols. He always creeped me out. He even begged to be on We Got Married with Taeyeon before that other creep(Hyung Dong or whatever) won out and got casted instead despite Taeyeon saying it made her uncomfortable. All these older male comedians and washed up hasbeen idols that cant date women their own age and spend a good chunk of their career waiting around to prey on vulnerable up and comers like soyul and sulli make me sick.
Exactly, they have to deal with actual predators.
Is it though possible that some young boys have to deal with predators as well?
They do but its way less compared to female idols.>>57435
Thats funny of you to think that he even has any empathy.>>57434
I always hated leeteuk. He was a douchebag and a creep.
That idols on WGM have to do skinship with whoever they are paired with is gross, bet they can't wait for the camera to stop filming so they can stop acting like lovers.
One of the Burning Sun dudes Lee Jonghyun was on the show with Jungyeon's sister.
I mean i dont agree with them but they do have the right to tinfoil considering how many mysterious k-celebrity deaths there are in the industry.
I dont know if you heard of madam shim (the most powerful woman in korea) but so many celebs connected to her have mysteriously died from suicide (including the famous jang ya yeon was which was first treated as a suicide but now it turns out that it may not have been a sucide and the case is being investigated again)
Koreans still got abortions anon kek the ones that got shotgun married are either moon heejun the washed up has been who was way passed due to marry anyways (and ended up rawdogging a has-been HOT fan in the end anyways) or they w
already irrelevant idols in their careers and were in 'wuv'. I can name 4 people off the top of my head who ended up with babies, and 2 of them being from UKISS proves my point because their careers are so irrelevant that they've got a dad up there singing teeny bopper songs and nobody gives a fuck because they probably dont even realize the songs are being released. And these babies were being conceived at a time where celeb parents + baby shoes where bringing in big bucks, they they were probably looking for their own piece of the exploitation pie.
Speaking of Lee jonghyun from cnblue.
Madam shim was basically the one who got him him so many acting gigs and roles and basically started up his career.
Is this all just a coincidence or no?
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It's been a couple of hours since this was posted, but that's a friend of sulli's as well. People have contacted police etc
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I remember when there was this article about sulli talking about having a dark side and finding it hard to pretend to be cheerful and people called her attention-seeking in the comments…..and this was 11 days before she committed suicide.
She never did anything to anyone yet she got as much hate as problematic male idols who did illegal crimes.
how the fuck was she supposed to be ~mentally prepared for being in the entertainment industry~ when she was thrust into it by her parents in the 4th grade? the idol industry fucks you up even before debuting, and even moreso after you’re placed in the spotlight. after she turned 18 it just got steadily worse for her…she went from f(x) cute maknae to the nation’s most hated idol, she was pounded with hate every time she got online or was spotted in public. at that point it’s too late to develop any sort of mental fortitude. she spent her early teens being the butt of jailbait jokes and her late teens (and on) being called a worthless slut. she had no one around her to help, and mental health care in Korea sucks shit…to compare her situation to an American, grown ass singer or youtuber receiving hate comments is beyond tonedeaf.
i’m not gonna sit here and pretend like i didn’t side-eye her doing a lewd photoshoot with a pedo, but it’s obvious that she wasn’t a bad person, just an extremely lost and lonely young woman who was groomed from a young age and alienated from her peers and had her pre-existing mental health issues exacerbated by the insane amount of online hate she received. have some fucking empathy.
There needs to be child labour laws forbidding under 16s to be on TV or "training" to be idols because forcing kids to train until 2am to be stars is pure exploitation by the parents and entertainment industry, not to mention kids being preyed upon by older folks. Kids like Jihyo and Sulli shouldn't be trainees or live in dorms before they even hit their teens.
So many idols debut young and struggle with self image after growing up in the limelight, Eunha (idk she got so much surgery wtf), Jungkook, Ft Island Hongki who is totally over being an idol in recent years and shows his grumpy image more thankfully.
Anon, are you stupid? An anon earlier had said that she died by hanging herself. I was obviously confused since I hadn’t seen any report on her dying by hanging, only this one where the fire department said she had a cardiac arrest.
> kEk HoW rEtArdeD aRe yOu
Keep up with the threads, dumb ass.
No the question is why do they see FEMALE sexuality as something so tainted,so twisted?
Probably because most of these fangirls are from islamic SEA countries where women are seen as way less than men. Thats why these women always protect male idols when they get into a sex scandal.
So you are saying this commenter is korean? double kek
Learn to read and go through the replies before you reply. Cement-brain
I was talking about the international netizens who were throwing hate at her.
It's all run by money though and the fans themselves usually don't care unless it's someone they've followed/liked a ton.
I think the natural thing here is that everyone is being upset and respectful about it but in reality they will be back to engaging in 'toxic
' bs that contributes to this stuff.
Maybe the companies did it out of respect but idk about the idols themselves. I know I'd personally feel like absolute shit and a lot of them are probably struggling with mental health as well, it would be weird to force them to comeback
The groups already promoting right now probably have no choice but to continue like nothing happened
Forgot to add: Sooyoung said her mother suffered from depression because she always read the hate comments about her daughter.
And god knows just how many have some kind of ED, Xiumin is the only one who's open about it.
Yeah, Sulli was clearly in need of help that she wasn't getting in the past few years of her life. Having good friends and family doesn't always stop this from happening though (speaking from Jonghyun's case and that of many others who've committed suicide).>>57493
Taeyeon has also said the same thing. Others might have already said this but I think it's important–ending the stigma against mental illness in K-pop won't happen any time soon because that would require the whole industry to fall apart in the process. The greedy businessmen behind it wanna keep making money even if it means sacrificing the physical and mental well-being of the idols they employ.
well blackpink is the exception considering they have rabid drooling fans who try to silence anyone like crazy….but i cant think of any girl group having committed fans other than that.
Jennie bullied a girl so much to the point where that girl tried to commit suicide yet that was buried by their fans.
because they have male fans who see them as sexual objects and only go in whatever direction their dick points them to. they have zero interest in helping or protecting the girls they jack off to.
obviously this is generalizing but this is the general impression i’ve gotten.
some of them are stage parents like somi's dad, others probably don't give a shit as long as their kid makes money. a lot of second gen idols came from poor or broken families (yoona, most of tvxq, dara, goo hara)>>57505
fx is/was pretty popular (at least sulli and krystal were) but bts and nctfags are teenage and batshit. most of sulli's fans are adults now and have probably have more important shit to do
I think parents who allow their children to enter careers in entertainment are either incredibly naiive, fame-hungry (ala Somi's parents) or both. Also I would think that rich parents can feel like they can use their wealth to potentially insulate their kids from the more disgusting and harsher practices of K-pop.
I'm not too
sure about as a non-Korean but I've heard something like the following before. Breaking into the music and arts successfully is tough to do in South Korea given the small market and other factors. I can see K-pop being used as a segway to more serious musical pursuits for many idols/trainees. NCT's Mark seems to wanna be an actual rapper and RV's Wendy has talked about how she strictly wanted to be a solo singer for the longest time. Both of them are idol group members though so I feel like they're using their current status to their advantage in order to boost name recognition for solo artistic pursuits in the future.
Btw SuperM topped the Billboard album chart with NYT throwing shade:"But now a K-pop supergroup has truly pushed the envelope: SuperM — a seven-member boy band whose existence was announced just two months ago — topped Billboard’s latest album chart with a seven-track EP that was sold in an array of CD versions and bundle deals. SuperM’s debut, “The 1st Mini Album ‘SuperM’,” opened at No. 1 with 164,000 album sales and a modest 4.9 million streams, according to Nielsen. Of those album sales, 113,000 were CDs and 51,000 were digital downloads. The CD version came in eight packaging variations, one for each member of the group (plus a “united” version), which included a variety of posters and collectible cards. The group’s fans took to social media to display the many versions they acquired."
So fans have to buy 8 different CDs to collect a set or did they get 8 Cds for the cost of 1 album?
i think someone in the last thread had a good point re: sulli's career. it's interesting how this has happened right before iu and taeyeon's comebacks, two of her reportedly closest friends. i wonder if she tried to reach out to them, and they were too busy to put their hearts into replying? or, considering how goblin was just 3 months ago, she saw their careers as her future and she couldn't take it anymore? in any case, her reasons must have so many factors - thrust into the industry in 4th grade, preyed on by god knows how many creeps like choiza, jinnabit monopolizing her fandom for so many years, the constant articles and hate she got for just existing, getting lost on her career path and on the way to getting shut out of the only industry she knows at 25… fuck, idolism sucks.
If you google her name you cant find any information about her online (except for these recent articles.)
Isnt that strange anon? She is a owner of a luxury brand and was married to a basketball player yet if you goggle her name you cant find anything.
Apparently articles or mentions of her in the past also used to get deleted.
I wonder if she pissed of someone with even more power than her and now they are letting her get exposed?
The top Sulli Naver search terms are disgusting: "Picture that Sulli deleted in 3 seconds" "Sulli exposure" "Sulli live" "Sulli Instagram" "Sulli Choiza" "Seolhyun" "Choiza" "Sulli live exposure" "Fx"
At least Knetz are calling out pervs and asking Naver to clear those search terms.
Why would you speculate something like imposter syndrome and compare her career to IU/Taeyeon? You put those words in your own mouth. It's a roundabout way of saying you think she envies other's success, throwing shade on a dead person after she killed herself.
Sulli got relentlessly bullied and hated for being a sex symbol, stop speculating why she killed herself before XYZ idol's comeback.
Anon it's childish and kinda stupid to think Sulli's support system is made up of IU and Taeyeon, like if they are busy, she has nobody else. Idols don't actually only talk to other idols, many times they aren't even close and only do it for the camera/fanservice.
Time and again the friends and people Sulli hangs out with irl on Instagram are not fellow celebs (maybe idols avoid her after her scandals) but non-celebs, she has many vids on IG live with her drinking buddies and they are all not famous except Goo Hara. Those people are her support network not IU or Taeyeon.
i'm convinced all kpop stans have internalized misogyny. i still can't fathom how you blame the victim
instead of the pedo/predator….
It's insane. it's like once they reach 22-23, they are kept on a tighter leash, put under a microscope. And with mental health just being non existent in korea, it's really depressing… I dunno why they act like these idols lives end at 25. (no pun here. just fucking depressed by all of this.)
What age was the dude from Shinee when he died?
He has a name. Its jonghyun.
He died at 27.
I apologize. I didnt remember his name at the time.
But thank you guys. It feels awful to see anyone take their lives so young.
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She was looking so tiny. This is so depressing. The amount of shit she must have been dealing with…
This is an image board.
If you can't be bothered to repost an image you could even just quote the post from the previou thread using the exact same way you would quote a post from this one.
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one of fx's songwriter's managed to make Sulli's death all about her lmao
kpop fans be like: omfg we need to stop boollying idols before they kill themselves
also kpop fans: immediately start harrassing a woman who has committed the crime of simply pouring out her feelings kek
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You're trying to drive a narrative of Kpop industry throwing away idols once they hit 25 and reaching hard to fit Jonghyun into it, but Jonghyun def wasn't thrown away and he was 27. The year he died he published a book and even talked about achieving his dream and quoted the most significant line of his book during Shinee's variety promos.
For the umpteenth time, Sulli wasn't thrown away by SM despite her dating scandal. Tbh I think SM gave her tons of leeway because she was highly marketable as a model/celeb compared to the other F(x) girls, f(x) were basically discarded after Sulli left and she had a few solos. She was doing ads yesterday and scheduled to film her Haters Night talkshow (JTBC called it a new show "to help the stars become stronger psychologically" jeez) and missed it tragically. She has more work than Luna or Amber definitely.
Re JTBC Haters panel show: On October 14, 2019, the cast and producers recorded another epiosde, per a Monday scheduling, unaware of the death of co-host Sulli, whose death was reported later in the day. Trailers for more episodes were discontinued and the show's producers made no official statement about the future of the show.
Wonder if having to host that show and analyze hate comments made Sulli more aware of her cyberbullies and affected. She was already super vulnerable and into hard drinking
[+19, -6] This show killed Sulli. She had a filming schedule for this show the next day but she probably didn't want to go. We all knew that she was suffering from depression and hate comments and yet you still made her get up in front of people and read her own hate comments?
[+16, -0] But if not for shows like this, where else can celebrities clear up their rumors and feelings of exasperation? They should just get rid of the part where they read the hate comments and have a separate section for therapy or a lawyer on set to help them draft lawsuits against the hate commenters ㅠㅠㅠ I don't think the show is at fault, it's the hate commenters who are.
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I keep hearing about idols sleeping with their eyes open, is it an asian thing or a side effect from eyelid surgery?
Imagine going through you life and being surrounded by people who just want something from you, photos, aegyo, fanservice that they can show off to their friends.
Then the people in the industry, others who want to take you down because they are jealous, men who just want you for sex or to show off who they "scored with" to their friends.
No one is your friend.
So 8 hrs ago jimin posted a thank you message on twitter https://twitter.com/statuses/1183816723633299456
for his fans. What do you guys think? Isn't it very insensitive to post something like that when the whole kpop industry is mourning. Like i get it, you had an awesome birthday and wanted to thank everyone who cared about it, but could you be more smart about it? His birthday was 2 days ago, he could have thanked them yesterday before the news about sulli surfaced. Ugh idk, i just hate this lizard boy.
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Samefag. The link is dead now, sorry.
goddamn jimincel always fucks up
no but seriously i sure he didn't mean to do any malice
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Crazy days and nights being such an attention whore in times like thishttps://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2019/10/blind-item-3_14.html?m=1
The tv show in which sulli had to read the hate comments directed to her aint helping either.
>JTBC called it a new show "to help the stars become stronger psychologically".
Wtf so much bullshit
I hate this kind of show (hello counselor is an example)
>During Sulli's turn, she responded cheerfully to the mean spirited comments. She agreed with a commenter that said her biggest success is her social presence on SNS and that she is an attention seeker. She disagreed with a commenter who said she looked like a "druggie" because of her large dilated pupils, saying that she has done nothing illegal, but had studied drug behavior during method acting.And she denied going braless to seek attention, saying that for her it was more comfortable, as well as "more natural and prettier". She said she sees bras as an accessory that she sometimes wears, and she had continued to go braless after it became a controversy to help make the prejudice disappear.
>Discussing past malicious comments she had received, Sulli said she had started to sue once, but the commenter, a student at a prestigious college, had sent a long letter of apology, and she had forgiven them. However, she said she would not do the same again. She expressed her hope that people could accept each other's differences and said, "there are so many unique types of people in this country with so much talent and I feel like they're wasting it by putting their energy into critiquing others like this online."
I said i hate what cn&d is doing to attract clicks. >>57590
I think cn&d just sorted of link this "blind item" from 2017 to the recent tragedy, thats why i said they were being such an attention whore. With jjy case leaked its not entirely impossible that it really happened in 2017 to someone, but to link it with sulli's death with the purpose of clickbait is just stupid
Nobody knows or cares which shitty lyrics Ratmon did or didn't write except you. Learn to hide your power level a little better.
And stop making someone else's tragedy all about your asshole oppas. You're just about as bad as that opportunistic scum you're complaining about.
If it were true then there would be several cases of it happening in the past when girls didn't have the funds.
But I've never heard of such a thing
Was only a casual fan of f(x) but I always liked her idgaf attitude and how she seemed so strong….I guess in the end she wasn't
I always felt that for the things she did, her punishment didn't fit the crime. Not wearing a bra and being weird on Instagram isn't an offense worthy of threats. It's very sad that all her cries for help went ignored
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I'm not wking the knetz in any way but i kinda understand why they took her transformation so strongly. It's like the miley cyrus' breakdown in the us, only this happened in korea where people are more reluctant to accept different things other than what they consider as acceptable (this is not racebait okay). People literally watched her grew up from a 10 year old child actress to the "different" sulli. It's hard to accept that the person they knew as a sweetheart has abruptly changed to the sex icon that she was.
I mean if it was the dudes birthday he had all the right to say something to fans. BTS (like any kpop group) thrives from the relationship they have with their fans. People here (and in general) expect life to stop for everyone when someone within the industry dies which is unrealistic.>>57608
It sort of odd to think how idols like Hyuna are basically allowed to gloat about going out naked or being all sexual but the moment another idol does something similar it could go either way.
Not to say Hyuna doesn't get hate but she definitely has a fair amount of support too.>>57617
The industry literally establishes this image of idols being godly and pure. I have no doubt that there's expectations for them to do this, but realistically the whole thing is started and maintained by the actual company, and the whole 'fan relationship' is possibly the most important way to success too. So, fans are often encouraged to think they have some sort of chance in dating said idol and that the idol is some sort of angel that they must protect.
Bruh forgive me for being an ESLfag, what I meant was that people associated her with sexual stuff because she went braless, did suggestive photoshoots, etc. >>57617
I am in no way giving them the benefit of the doubt. I was just trying to explain as to why koreans were so harsh regarding her abrupt transformation, it's more or less affected by their norms and social standards. It's similar to Miley Cyrus' situation, just that it happened in SK.
Exactly. Sulli was too much of an activist and pioneer. People want idols to stay out of politics at any cost especially women.
Sulli was too good for them.
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You're just as retarded as the twitterfag who said that. It's always the combination of things that we will never know for sure what, saying only this or that triggered
her is stupid. You don't know her personally.
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nta you're replying to, but you're probably right about it being a combination
I wish she had left a note like jonghyun or jang ja yeon did (they said they found notes in her apt, but they're something like diary which wouldn't be revealed to the public), at least we'd get a glimpse of what was really bothering her. Not everything of course, just a little bit of information will do. I'd rather hear from her directly than some anons assuming that A/B killed her, then proceeded to fight each other or wk some obviously evil company (every company in the industry is).
Then again, even a message will be forgotten. It will not change the way kpop industry works. Jonghyun poured his heart out in the letter but nothing ever changed because of it.
Tinfoil: she actually left a note but some people would rather keep it to themselves because they dont want to get in trouble>inb4 reee ur crazy
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she did leave something, apparently its not pertinent to her death though so we wont be reading it. im honestly glad theyre respecting her privacy, whatever the memo may contain.
Sullis non-idol friends always seemed kind of shitty to me, so this is not really surprising.
They let her drunkenly humiliate herself several times on IG lives and when that creep wouldn't leave her alone they just laughed.
SM is famous for never suing anybody, they also never took any actions against their male idols' crazy sasaengs.>>57651
Or maybe they were also drunk and therefore couldn't comprehend how serious the situation was?
Blaming her normie friends is the last thing we should do. They were probably the only ones she had, her parents obviously didn't give af and her celeb friends are just as unstable.
Has anybody but Hara posted anything personally?
Shinhwa fell out with SM when they left as a group so they will call SM out publicly, recall the slave contract lawsuits SM fought versus JYJ and EXO's Chinese line, SM doesn't have a glittering staff welfare record.
Shinhwa and Beast/Highlight did something more groups should do which is to stand up to their mgmt.
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does she even speak chinese?
"we will not disclose the contents of the unrelated memo that is neither a diary entry nor suicide note"
Well you can be pretty sure it names some names.
How is him working with a sexual harasser any different than bigbang choosing to ignore and stay quiet about what seungri did?
If he really cared so much about social justice then he should have dropped him.>>57660
I guess most chinese kids can speak english and so does she? Still weird tho. Maybe it's only for one episode.
Not that anon, but you never know what goes on behind the scenes. If you want to hate then hate junjin cause he blatantly defended minwoo.https://www.koreaboo.com/news/junjin-defends-fellow-shinhwa-member-minwoo-sexual-abuse-allegations/
Dongwan didnt say anything doesnt mean he approved of what minwoo did. Real life relationships are complicated, he's been friends with minwoo for like what, 20 years? He cant just talk shit in public about his bandmate, thats not how normal adult men handle their conflicts.
Yes bigbang members are shitty but they have always been open about their dislike to seungri, still no one drags them into the actual case of burning sun as if theyre responsible for what happened. At this point youre no different than knetz who just love to spend their time looking for the faults in others.
This is why i will relentlessly call out gender double standards in Kpop and spergy ratmies and nctfags who protect their oppas and blame any woman who they date for scandalising them. Btsfags on reddit are acting all "Poor Sulli!" but they harrassed Mijoo, Suran, Solbin, etc for being close to BTS.
It's terrible how female idols in Kpop are treated compared to male idols.
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I hope one day, an idol/A-lister will publish a whole ass expose: text messages, contracts, recordings, everything, before offing themselves. One day, someone who has nothing left will be a martyr, not just a victim. Set it aflame, all of it.
Former SNSD SM trainee Stella Kim who almost debuted talked about how:
-Every week they had profile filming's where they would tell you at what angles you look ugly.
-They would scale weigh them and the ''heavier'' girls would be humiliated in-front of everybody.
-Her dermatologist kept recommending her plastic surgery and fillers.
-Felt pressured because other girls were getting procedures done.
-Developed a eating disorder.
-Says her friends who are still in the kpop industry have self image issues.
Sulli def went through the same, she was shamed for being bottom heavy years ago and looked so different in this pic >>57538
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poor pedo being “bullied”
I'm not wishing for their death dumbass. Unfortunately, only a person who is ready to die will even think of plotting something like that, especially a public figure who faces intense pressure from all sides to live and die quietly. It would have to be motivated by revenge/spite as the last act of protest, because tattling is not only social suicide, NDA's are a thing, they'll be effectively breaking the law. Not to mention, depends on how explosive the info is, they may even be violently silenced. Let's not be naive.>>57682
She was only hearsay and a nobody… so no one cares
Fuck off you're the nobody blatantly hoping more idols would off themselves.
There are exposes by former SM trainees, current idols or 9Muses BBC documentary where they got yelled at and slapped on camera but you want someone to die for the drama.
Idol culture affects both women and men. Both cant date or have sex. Thats how it is.
Sulli couldve quit but she chose to stay bc she wanted fame.
If you cant handle being an idol then QUIT.
The industry is not dying
She quit being an idol in 2015 when she left f(x) and went into acting and modeling.>>57698
Mostly it's Lisa and the gopchang princess thing http://kpopkfans.blogspot.com/2019/05/pann-girl-group-that-doesnt-need-silent.html?m=1
I dont know about gd. But leeteuk went after snsd when they were 12-14,krystal when she was 17, he fatshamed underage suzy and his most recent of trying to slide into yeonwoos dm's who is 23.
Lets not defend a creep like leeteuk.
Here is proof of leeteuk trying to get into underage/younger girls pants for the reatrded oppa apologists
Collection of leeteuk being a creep
1.When krystal was 17https://www.allkpop.com/article/2011/01/krystal-and-leeteuk-to-get-married
2.When yoona was 13https://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/1876805.html
3.Elementary school age Sunyehttps://www.allkpop.com/article/2010/05/leeteuk-has-always-been-a-fan-of-sunye
4.Him saying sooyoung was his first love when she was 12 and he was 20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLZoHN186XM&feature=youtu.be
5.35 year old leeteuk trying to slide into 23 year olds yeonwoos dm'shttps://www.koreaboo.com/news/leeteuk-dm-yeonwoo-elfs-attack-fan/
There was also that moment with taeyeon too where he also liked her when she was 14,there were also some dating rumors beetwen them in the past which makes it even creepier.
6.He also made a rape joke about getting girls drunkhttps://www.allkpop.com/forum/threads/leeteuk-makes-a-get-girls-drunk-joke.125297/
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“How can I make this tragedy about my faves?”
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They don’t even bother saying anything about Sulli.
There are a lot of idols that got criticized for lazy dancing but Jennie got the most of it because of yg’s blatant favoritism
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>Ryeowook (who once was fat himself): "Shindong, please exercise a bit for your health"
>the rest of Suju: "uwu he's already playing golf!"
And then poor little Shindong oppar looked uncomfortable…
I don't care that his fans say that the fatshaming comments of his happened a decade ago, he was already in his mid 20s, he should've known better, he simply is trash.
He's already passed the line to obesity 50 pounds ago, I really wonder how he's still able to dance.
fuck i didnt even think about that, anon
really hope not
he would also make jabs at ryeowook and call himself more attractive while the rest of the members cheered him on
ryeowook may be just your average gay twink but shindong is a literal hambeast
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He should just give up and become a comedian already or be the next Moon He Joon and camp out and wait for an underaged idol waifu to snatch up. He'd fit right in. Speaking of the creep Moon He Joon, he's still at it trying to recapture his glory now that hes in the spotlight again for putting his toddler all over tv. This was literally posted a day ago and I could barely stomach the article.. It kind of makes me sick how the media forces its viewers and readers to fawn over old washed up male idols making fools of themselves(but oppa lost weight he looks so good the bar is so low!!111) while a woman cant even reach 30 without having to have extensive plastic surgery and still remain chaste and sexless and underweight.https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/moon-hee-jun-surprises-fans-sharped-visuals-dieting-success/
Thought that was BTS Jimin topkek
They have the same height and style lel
rofl i love you
But seriously, Suju attempting a comeback now is straight up embarrassing
NTA but I agree a group being 'old' is a dumb reason for them not to have a comeback. They need age appropriate styling and songs and to kick out shindong ofc but it's not embarrassing to exist past 30 and keep performing for the fans you have left.
t. a dbsk stan so my favs have been around even longer and will probably be like jpop groups still going in their 40s
nta but i dont give one fuck about male idols, because of shit like this >>57761
they can be dumb ugly fat drug addicted pedophile fucks with no talent and still get treated like gods despite their age, by the general korean public
its a completely different situation for female idols and you know it
>>57731>Collection of leeteuk being a creep
1.When krystal was 17
Wtf did I just read. Not even about Leeteuk – just the part where Krystal says she (joke) accepted proposals from older dudes in the company in her youth.
Why is that even a joke/point of conversation among men who are older who work with kids/teenagers. I know she didn't specify which oppas they were but like ??? Gross. Yes some could be closer to her age and not pedophilic (still weird and potentially creepy) but the context overall is just icky.
cant even fucking type
weird thing is how the women fans will attack other women for even rumoring that a male idol is dating.
While if the roles were reversed the men would be criticizing the woman idol for not remaining pure. I suppose they subscribe to lock and key theory.
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wow Natty went from Thai to past Korean now she looks straight Japanese
Shindong is tonedeaf af, people are acting like he's park hyo shin or something in this vid, it's embarrassing
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The BTS thread on VC is…something else.
Watch out, Jin oppa! /s
It is tbh
It doesn't look botched
>>57691>She was only hearsay and a nobody… so no one cares
NTA but it certainly wasn't "only hearsay" with her. I don't know if any other anons on here used kpsm/2 but she was regularly discussed on there back in the day as she was friends with Sooyoung and Jessica iirc and would post pictures with them and her eating disorder was clearly visible. She's obviously had some first-hand experience and plenty of proof to go with it. People don't care because people want to continue enjoying k-pop. People wouldn't care if someone killed themselves and exposed the industry either. They'd still continue.
Case in point: >Korean actress who killed herself and wrote about all the men who had raped her in the industry.
Shit gets brushed under the rug. Death won't solve it.
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what is it with jimincel and his need to constantly expose his twinky body? i thought they weren't meant to be doing that at the saudi concert but it seems like he couldn't help himself
more than jyp??
i must be dumb because it never felt that way
anyways when are goona start roasting jimincel again like we always do
if u compare Jimin to chen
jimincel sounds like a dying horse in comparison
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she showed up at Kcon Thailand recently, looks like someone vacuum sealed her pants on.
"The boys have expressed their gratitude for how hard we've worked for their #1's on the top 200 and still mention their hopes for that #1 on the Hot 100. As long as they want it, we'll work to get it for them. Also, the fact that these numbers impact awards. No, in theory the awards don't matter, yes we could act above it all, but if the awards make them happy then again, we will work to get it for them."
Adele can actually sing but BTS uwu babies deserve awards uwu
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Today on Shit Kpop Stans say
>Sulli grew up in an unstable home and became an idol at age 9
>Choiza (31) dated Sulli (17) and later Choiza wrote a song "Eat, Sex, Sleep" with horny corny ass lyrics about her
But remember anons, "she consented!!" and calling a grooming pedo out is witch hunt! Karma will get you!!
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+ was spotted leaving a hotel and crying at schedules, but you’re right
Sulli also had people saying inappropriate sexual shit because his stage name means “big dick”. He’s a manchild that groomed her and fed her to the wolves once she was old enough.>>57857>added yeri to red velvet as a distraction
This sole reason is enough to make me wish Sulli decided to stay in f(x).
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Jennie didnt bully anyone. yall lisa akgaes need to chill with the fake news
this is creepy and rude af. what is wrong with these people?>>57811
This is sad. Nothing will change unless the industry changes from the inside. All of this behavior is encouraged. it's sick
Are they supposed to be covered in burkas though? i dont get it. i'm just annoyed they even performed in SA to begin with.
This popped up on my google mobile about how SA changed policies for them for the time they were there. it's all grosshttps://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/10/bts-global-influence-results-to-a-change-of-laws-in-saudi-arabia
Everything about Saudi was a mess >>57860
Are him and the rest of Big bang even still close? I wouldnt want to be associated with a literal rapist or and someone drugging women
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makes sense Yoojung has always been the smallest and the hardest working. I've heard about her getting IV's before.
Seems to be fairly common among some.
I wish non-kpop people would spam it on twitter to piss off all those kpop vermin.
Not so funny when the shoes's on the other foot huh? kek.
You know whats sad…this man was probably her first love which is so fucked up. This creep stole her innocence. >>57823
Agree,and they cant be even bothered to remember sullis name.
Your very new to kpop arent you?
The point of kpop is to be goodlooking and appeal to the girlfriend/boyfriend experience to your fans. There is also a reason why kpop idols are called idols.
Kpop in itself is basically fan-service with music that is for the opposite sex.
there are many F(x) fans who blame Sulli for breaking up the group, who knows how the girls think.
TBH because Kpop idols debut very young people think group members' relationship is friendly like high school or uni students, but in reality they're more like professional coworkers. There's favoritism and workplace hierachy in Kpop too. Some members are more valued by the company bosses (Jennie, Sulli, Krystal) and others are added to the group to make up numbers/add visuals or fill a dancer role (Jin, Lisa, Sehun) , they basically act chummy as a group on camera to service fans and gain popularity but every member is more focused on solo activities because an idol group only has a 5-7 year lifespan, all members must use their brief idol career to leapfrog into solo singing, acting, modelling work etc. Luna Amber etc have struggled after f(x)'s demise while Krystal and Victoria went into acting.
Not uncommon that popular idols who get a lot of solo work start to find comeback rehearsals and group promos a hindrance because they rather promote solo, like Suzy, Seolhyun, Siwan, Kyungsoo (enlisted early for his acting career and upset EXO fans) etc.
Yes but most Western rock musicians are scrawny, unwashed, old or uggos, I assumed people who like Kpop or visual kei would not mind how stereotypically scrawny Asians in general are, it's funny as fuck to unstan because they're manlets.
Good music is good music, imagine people unstanning Mozart or Beethoven for being ugly kek
Jinnabit sounds like pedophile lesbian.
So sad that sulli had (ex)fans like this. This is why idols should not debut at such a young age because the wrong people for the wrong reasons like them.
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Allegedly this is how she looks like
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All sorts of fucked up…http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2015/06/instiz-ex-sulli-fanpage-jinnabits.html
"Sulli's just an onion… I thought things had at least gotten okay now but after reading Jinnabit's tweets, I can't stand it because I feel so bad for the other four members… poor Soojung!!!"
"Jinnabit's a saint for putting up with her.."
"Considering all that's been revealed, Jinnabit's a saint…"
"How could Jinnabit just stand watching Sulli act like this…"
"I really liked Sulli but this makes me lose all respect for her."
"Don't care about Sulli anymore, my heart breaks for the four f(x) members."
"Proves that the scariest anti is a fan who turned their back on you. Jinnabit's a real saint. Makes me so upset and want to cry because this is so different from the Sulli I had known."
"I used to hate Jinnabit but considering everything she's put up with, she's a saint."
"You can really tell Jinnabit loved Sulli… always shielding her, staying quiet when she got hate. Sulli really betrayed her ㅠ Sulli even asked her to make Choiza an ID on the fansite ㅠㅠ and yet Jinnabit still has to put up with all the rumors people make up about her."
"There's no fan like Jinnabit who helped Sulli and shielded her… why did Sulli do this to her."
"Jinnabit herself said she's going to leave once her lawsuit is over. She's suing a ton of fans for making up rumors about her like how she threatened other fanpages and everything."
"This is why idols shouldn't be friends with their fans. How're you going to handle the repercussions when things go wrong?
"Man, I'd be so grateful if I had a fan who loved me like their own life…"
"Heard Jinnabit has almost spent 20 million won on Sulli."
"Somehow Jinnabit saying all this makes it believable…"
"It's already been game over the minute Jinnabit turned on her."
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Wonyoung resembles child Sulli, that's the creepy thing.
would be more interesting to see any drama between them and how they truly feel about each other tho.
side note: any loonafags know why they aren't releasing music? it's odd to see new rookies only have one comeback in a year.
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Choiza's ex looks similar to Sulli, SWAN's Han Jina. SWAN stands for "Strong Women Achiever, No Spouse" lel
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typical vile incelbian
How much do you think he weighs
Honestly he does look around there sometimes
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EVERYONE ABOARD THE SULLI CLICKBAIT TRAIN WOOWOOOO
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The only time I ever thought JYP went too far was this number on Sixteen. It looks like some sort of bizarre underage burlesque club
Somi is 14 and Natty is 13 here.
rofl you're right. I wonder if anyone who posts/lurks here is going to the Sperm shows? i have one playing nearby but apparently people already bought the front rows to scalp prices.
Sperm is gonna flop
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kpop fans are officially brain damaged. in the new txt music video there’s a shot of two korean school girls holding hands and everyone on stan twitter was like ‘gay rights’ ‘lesbians hfhfjejeejeoeke’ you know how stan twitter is. and apparently pointing out how it’s normal for girls who are friends in korea to hold hands is homophobic and ruining people’s fun. bitch. bighit bts txt don’t give a fuck about gay people. otherwise bighit wouldn’t have sent one of their groups to perform in the lgbt paradise of saudi arabia. lgbt people who are craving for representation should seek it elsewhere than kpop
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>>57955>kpop fans are officially brain damaged.
its no worse than other celebs crazy fans. I just think how kpop fandom operates allows you front row seats.
4 Walls was arguably one of their best albums and im pretty sure one of their albums had charted on billboard world charts way before charting on billboard was a thing in korea. just because someone leaves a group doesn't the whole group has to die.
its SMs fault, he will have 20 different subunits of boy group members with members missing here and there because they have to be in other subunits or other schedules, yet for his girl groups its somehow all or nothing. jungwoo from nct has been gone basically this whole year for health reasons but the whole group isnt just dead? this goes for other companies too, like when Minzy left 2ne1, YG killed the whole group, when it still had the potential to go on.
the disposability of female groups and female idols in general by these big man sexist CEOs is cruel, they are just dolls to play with until they reach a certain age, then they get new dolls. obviously the idols themselves don't think this deep because to them, a member leaving is essentially backstabbing the whole group. when in the end we see people need to leave for mental/health reasons, because that's what being an idol does to you.
im pretty sure the rest of the members have finally come to terms now with why she left and how it wasnt her fault, but SM's fault since im pretty sure most of them didnt resign with SM. fans are realizing this truth now too, but its too late since so many people blamed her for ending f(x).
honestly im used to companies fucking up and letting their groups die and stuff but with snsd i was legitimately shocked
around the time bring the boys out/i got a boy came out there were some noticeable signs though i remember feeling like it was the beginning of the end but it spiraled so fast
the deal for the Label SJ under SM is strange. it seems like they make their own decisions comebacks for the group but can't kick Kangin out or bring back Sungmin despite being a normal person, just married.
SNSD might have survived if they got a similar one like it before everyone left.
i always believed she got drunk and tried to jump out the window because she went full retard basically like it was stated, but not that she did it because anyone in snsd was bullying her, but i do think she got violent with him that night and he covered for her because sm told him to
sunny said on a few occasions she was the kind of drunk that would lash out like that
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and some anons still try to make others believe only males sexualize kpop idols…
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I’ll never forget so now all you will have to see it too. RPF is sick.
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never forget idols' first and biggest haters are their own fans. this girl kept making edits of yuri looking fat and now she actually met and conversed with some of the girls.. shocking
I thought you were just spamming with your favs but this is actually very impressive, damn.>>57957
It's more complicated than that, female fans sometimes just go with the flow even when they dont like some concepts because they like the idols and admire them, even when they have sexy/pedobait concepts they're marketed on a way girls will like it which is the main difference between lets say Mamamoo/Blackpink VS Twice.
God dahyun is so fucking ugly to me still. And i've really tried with her, truly. im stunned by how much I hate her. Im a terrible person.>>57958
Taylor swift has always looked like stuart little to me. Amazing that someone so rich & famous can be so plain. Another mystery i guess.
Also where did you even find this photo, i literally cannot breathe rn
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fag is jimin your pfp
Re BTS .. some site, akp or something just notified that they're doing a remix of Make It Right with some American singer. Sorry not sorry, am I the only one who feels like Make It Right, Magic Shop, and Euphoria are the same song? I mean how are they getting away with this generic same ass resolving melody in all three of these generic midtempo easygoing same sounding songs, its so lazy & no one calls it out>>57991>>57990
Isn't it kinda tacky then that Hyoyeons bit in the IGAB mv was her hitting the boyfriend? Or was that the point?
(aside from the rap parts) doesn't this have a strong old jpop sound? Idk maybe not, but I do feel like I've heard this kind of sound a really long time ago>>58018
omg that is too funny, but honestly why else would they be looking at btshit art if they weren't a fan? This reminds me of that vernon anon from a while back
honestly sm probably did do it on purpose to ~make fun~ of the rumor because they know sm lapdogs will eat up anything they say/do
doth do protest too much etc
TOPKEK AS IN TEARS STREAMING INTO MY LAPTOP KEYS
someone screenshot for next thread pic
i cant breathe
Yeah I get Umpah was supposed to be all cheapie sound stage for whatever deep artsy reason but they already did that to death with Automatic so it felt really lazy… inexcusably lazy >>58013
Cream based not broth based?>>58027
Looked like jhope to me. Either way, could tell it was some kpop guy, therefore still funny
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vote too early but what can i say, my nomination for next thread pic>>58026
Kpop and Jpop sounded more similar back in the day
Nowadays kpop is American music in korean
ratmy infestations jesus
If sulli didn’t die this thread would BTS critical 38
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that last comment from a sulli article from 2015… pretty scary.
she was just having fun jfc
like i legit thought lolcow can be autistic and nitpicky but knetizens take it to such a level i didnt even know could exist
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How does the Kpop industry cover so much stuff up? How does it keep so much stuff quiet? When everyone has phones on them almost all the time. The leaks you get suggests its just as bad as Hollywood, but SK is able to keep stuff from getting out most of the time.
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Why aren't you guys still stanning H.O.T?
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has zico said anything yet? i know he was close with sulli long ago and still hanging in the same circle
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Crazy how little free speech Korea has
probably. because they have a lot of power
woollim successfully persued charges for netizens who helped spread rumors about lovelyz jisoo, and many companies have threatened to do similar though i dont know how many have actually gone through with it
iirc, tablo also did the same succesfully after his entire career was ruined because of fake online rumors about him
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nta but i did a quick reverse image search
I never was a fan but The Chaser, BTD, and Bad are fucking jams. I wish we had a BG that would consistently put out such good songs, or basically just a BG that used Sweetune as their producers. I think/hope the next Woollim BG could show some promise since Woollim seems to use Sweetune a lot.
Also, what happened to Infinite? I remember back in 2014 they had a large, stable fanbase but you literally hear nothing about them anymore. I never found them attractive except for L, but I remember that their appeal was the dancing, songs, and talent anyways.
one reason might of been Hoya's departure
it was revealed their in-house producers had to hide his involvement in a track just so it would be approved for the album
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They are Korean rappers, they model themselves after their heroes. Tupac, Eminem, Big Sean, Snoop Dogg.
Half of them is in militarny, right? I'm suprised, but their fanbase is quite alive on twt. They never were problematic
and as far as i remember Woohyun's solo was rather successful so it's good, good for them
20191017 - “Polaris Entertainment reportedly loses lawsuit against global IT business DONUTS, ordered to pay back 360 million won DONUTS lent Polaris 400m won to help grow LOONA. 40m was deducted and 360m wasn't returned“
Should've stanned Loona
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BTS will release a new song tomorrow. It has another feature kek. Are they unable to make new track without making it with some no-name American artist?
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Fucked up how people started attacking her because when someone passes you have to immediately rush to social media and make a post to seem like you actually care nowadays LOL
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So a loonarmy hacked Sherliza Moe's twitter account because of her dumb comments about bts on her YouTube channel
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I wish I hadn't googled this person
this reaction is so ridiculous it's funny.
or should i say, ok, nctfag
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There’s countless amounts of people pretending to care about her death by spamming OMG #RIPSULLI and then somehow loop it around to make it about their kpop boy/girl or were the ones spamming hate comments towards her in the first place. But her members not posting anything means they don’t give a fuck about her at all I mean she “”ruined”” f(x) so they wouldn’t care if she died, obv.
The 4 members left are not problematic
at all, like yeah sometimes you hear things about luna but that's all. Knetz are just looking for someone else to blame rather than their own damn selves
Victoria supports the police in Hong kong like a lot of chinese idols, so I wouldn't call her "not problematic
She got some hate comments because she said one bts member is not good/irrelevant (can't remember who) and that baekhyun is the walmart version of taehyung lol
But other than that she seems to be a ratmy? And an attention whore
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she must've gone to LE's eyelid doctor
Korean name is “Girl of the Month,” in the buildup to their debut as a 12-member group each member debuted individually with a single & her own music video. There are also 3 subgroups that debuted prior to the main group: Loona 1/3 (consisting of Heejin, Hyunjin, Haseul, & Vivi), Odd Eye Circle (consisting of Kim Lip, Jinsoul, & Choerry), and yyxy (consisting of Yves, Chuu, Go Won, & Olivia Hye). Yeojin, the maknae, is not in a subgroup. Each subgroup had a different musical style and aesthetic.
There’s also the Loonaverse, which is a subtextual narrative that loops all of the Loona music videos and songs into a larger metanarrative that can supposedly be teased out through images and symbolism in the videos and lyrics, but I think this is mostly just surface-level imagery and fan speculation about it is mind-numbingly boring schizo shit.
They debuted as a group with Hi High and did a followup release with Butterfly early this year but since then they’ve been AWOL. Plans for a ballad album were scrapped, a Japan debut never materialized, planned subgroup promotion never happened, and the third release B#RN is seemingly delayed indefinitely. Jaden Jeong, the creative director behind the group, also seems to have left. And it was recently revealed that the company lost a lawsuit with another company that fronted a lot of money for Loona’s inception. So it’s a whole mess right now and it’s not clear if the group will even be continuing. Sad, as musically and conceptually they’re probably the best group out there right now.
LMAOO this is so funny.
Please ratmies do yourselves and all of us a favor and leave.
That's simply not true, anon. Female idols are more well known in the general public but boy groups make way more money because male fans are content with fapping it to Nayeon on the internet while fangirls are willing to spend every last cent on their oppars.
I think that's also where SM's sexism really shows: rv has more female than male fans at this point, which is something they should be glad for seeing as women are more loyal than men, but instead of appreciating that they still continue to mainly pander to males.>>58139
More like loonafags judging by the sudden constant mentions of and questions about "LOONA"…
>Laughing with glee about retarded ratmy selfposting>"Fuck off ratmy!">"probably a loona stan!"
You can't win.
Fuck off projecting faggot. Stop tinfoiling that everyone is a ratmy or loonatard. Literally ask a farmhand and they can confirm that I'm neither of those.
If sulli didn't die you all would still be posting about gay bts pics and trying to silence eveeyone that complained. Go ahead and report cunt.
she called bts colorist for putting on tons of sunscreen so their skin wouldn't be dark and called them out for ripping off songs
ratmy couldn't handle the thought of their idols not being woke kings or genius songwriters kek
People attacked her?? Wew. Actually, all the idols close to Sulli are still being silent on SM. Taeyeon, all the (f)x members except for Amber who only posted once to announce her hiatus due to Sulli's passing, even Tiffany. Only Goo Hara spoke, and had an instagram live crying because she couldn't go to her funeral.
That's entirely normal.
i remember when wonder girls would get play in america on channels like that lol
that was forever ago though
i wonder if the sulli fans and defenders who've been saying for years that she's just carefree and doesn't give a fuck feel bad at all now? in the last couple of months her behaviour was clearly erratic, didn't she expose her nipple on an ig live and ignore it? i don't mean that anyone who's openly sexual or unusual is mentally ill but it was really fucking obvious that she had the sort of disconnect and recklessness of someone who isn't in the best place mentally, when you looked at her behaviour overall and how thin she looked. stans just took it as another thing to praise because kpop fans have such a black and white mentality that showing concern for someone acting erratically is the same as bullying to them.
sulli got way too much criticism for the wrong things like not wearing bras, got too much 'she's a dumb slut' instead of 'here's why this is harmful' criticism for genuinely bad decisions like repeatedly working with a pedo photographer when she was in her 20s, and got defended by her rabid fans when they should've showed concern. she must've been dealing with a lot because so many people had really strong opinions on everything she did, ranging from thinking she was an angel to a druggie whore. must mess with your head when so many people don't see you as a real person
It was obvious to everyone with a working brain that sulli had issues. But it doesn't really matter at the end of the day whether or not her fans were concerned. Only sulli could've decided to seek help.
I'm tired of people saying that SM should've pursued legal action for hate comments or whatever. That wouldn't have taken away sulli's mental health problems. There clearly just wasn't an adequate support system in place for her.
Thank you nonnie
for using your grand IQ to remind me how terrible this thread is, and how shitting on some random girl's face is going to improve it sooo much.
Anyways, I can't remember if this video has been posted yet (sorry if it has), it's nothing new but still quite a good summary.
that’s what i thought as well after looking into them, and then while i lurked a few threads back some anons were discussing that as well
so bbc is a branch of polaris?
Ok this is unironically catchy af and makes me miss the mid 2000s.>>58059
I heard Big shit was suing the person who released the photos of Jungkook and tattoo girl for defamation but i thought it was a joke. Korea has some terrible laws. does this even benefit anyone?
this is true but with divas that embody the “gay male” aesthetic, it would be unusual to see hordes of gay guys obsessing over rosé or yeji or nayeon or [insert kpop girl here that’s not a campy female soloist]
these girls are just teenagers - maybe bisexual - that intuitively grasp that identifying as a lesbian grants them extra clout in online spaces like stan twitter
>>58193>it would be unusual to see hordes of gay guys obsessing over rosé or yeji or nayeon or [insert kpop girl here that’s not a campy female soloist]
There are tons of gays that do that? Fags loved
fancy and feel special. Sana Nayeon and Jihyo are especially popular with gay men who give a fuck about kpop. Loona and red velvet are too. You're out of touch.
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>>58199>I can't imagine being a lesbian and looking at a man and thinking 'I want to be him'
could've fooled me
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exactly. bts appeals to lesbians because lesbians like their androgynous twinky aesthetic and they're deluded into thinking bts are woke gay kings. I don't think it's deeper than that
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From what I saw, he was fairly popular in the US? (or at least in the Midwest)>>58091
I feel like we have this epiphany every other thread>>58108
I thought the fact they lost the lawsuit was funny as is but hearing the reason it was filed in the first place is killing me
I hate this picture so much. Jhope doesn't even look real.>>58212
I don't remember Hoya being popular at all, really. I don't think Infinites stagnation had anything to do with him, I think they just got left behind. afaik they were still popular-ish(?) in Korea until recently, but they always remained as a second gen group, and none of those have really survived. Even GG was stagnating toward the end. I'm curious to see how BEG's are gonna do when they come back.
I was a huge infinite fag, even their recent-ish songs were good imo, but Sunggyu's in the military now and he was their only good vocalist. Their latest single doesn't have him in it and you can really tell who carried the group without him there.
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I didn’t know she got a new face
Because it's pedo. Fcking disgusting too and to think that it's based on Luc Besson relationship with his wife… yikes>>58242
Lookin like an ethot. mark thuan and bang sihyuk already found in line to be her suga daddy.
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Wtf how is this the same person? Jesus…
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young bang pd didnt look so bad
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shes prolly like 5 ft tall or less.
i thought they couldnt go worse from breakthrough, and even thats a better song compared to this, which is very bland and nothing unique about it. fake and true being sung in the same note as feel special doesnt help either. Also, sana's eye makeup looks terrible with the crusty aegyo sal eyeshadow. even the makeup couldnt hide how overworked they really are. >>58258
thats one helluva weight gain
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I wasn't nitpicking, I'm just saying she seems to photoshop a lot of her stuff because shes probably insecure about her height.
This is a very recent screenshot and she looks the same as she always does.
Because Leon is essentially a lolita story, but it doesn't actually involve them having sex. So, entertainment execs can dress idols as basically Lolita, but can't be called out on it.
(Also, they can covertly push the idea of young pretty girls with balding old men on TV shows).
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As opposed to the female idols who are lesbian fangirls lol
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Siwon also looks good with facial hair
there's nothing lesbian about this, desperate incelbian. why don't dykes like you lust over other lesbos instead of straight women?
go back to l_anon where you can obsess over straight girls and pretend short nails = secret carpet muncher(homophobe-chan pls)
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read the room……
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Nta but you have issues. Getting this pressed over someone saying Sakura might be a dyke isn’t normal, even if they’re wrong.>>58338>Wonho>manly
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He might be more manly but he isn’t a uwu kawaii oppar like ChimChim! /s
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If he’s actually 5’6, then he’s as short as this manlet, think
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This guy's nose looks creepy af
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I'm not sure if this is too harsh, but I feel like this isn't right.
You can't change other people but you can change yourself.
If you're getting hurt by hate comments, you should change the way you feel about them, not the people making them.
I just feel as though can't limit people into only saying nice things.
Hate comments are a part of being a celebrity. Am I being too harsh?
I guess it depends on what's considered a hate comment
Since we're talking about IU, I doubt it's just the typical "lol shes ugly" type of comments
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tbf rat has buffed up recently
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Nice autistic meltdown there, anon.>>58344
I thought there was a guy in Monsta X that is sort of not as twinky as a lot of K-Pop boys, which isn't saying a lot, but it's the dude in the middle of pic related. I don't know if that's the same guy because I can't tell these dudes apart, but if that's him, then what the fuck happened?>>58352
Holy shit, are these two in the same group? How is that not awkward as fuck? LMAO. They're different species.>>58382> People were leaking info about her Obgyn checkups and saying she was pregnant or had an abortion
WHAT IN THE ENTIRE FUCK. THAT'S FUCKING AWFUL.
Honestly just the name "Super Clap" has me almost dying of laughter. It sounds like a fucking Pokemon move.
This group isn't gonna get any better is it
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So, bts got a cultural merit award and ofc ratmys trended 'bts korea' s pride' or whatever.
The speech was real subtle about their korean world domination through kpop plan. I can't wait to see them fall from grace
iirc the issue with IU wasnt that she was dating eunhyuk, it was that she uploaded a picture from after they had just fucked onto social media, kek
still doesnt warrant that much hate but slut shaming isnt surprising and it was a dumb move on her part to do that
i agree with you, i was just saying the controversy and slut shaming was not due to dating eunhyuk, but having sex with him, uploading the photo and then making up some ridiculous story to try to cover her own ass
they werent even dating at the time which is what made butthurt netizens so angry
it was literally just a booty call and she documented it lol
I wouldn't say they're good, they are on the same level as twice imo. They're decent. I saw their stage at kcon and they have like 0 charisma. Why do people like them? Just cause they're from jyp?
Don't wanna sound like a twicefag but their debut song was miles better than dalla dalla
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I am fucking dying of laughter about this guy's shirt matching eyebrows
the lyrics were shit as well
the typical “im different not like others u cant change me”
also the fact that the name of their song was fucking romanization
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This seems to be an odd trend in SM right now, no idea whose brilliant idea that was…
Not being able to criticize korean culture on a kpop critical thread is so contradictory. It's like on the shayna threads where you can nitpick al you want but people who call her dirty for having armpit hair are banned for ''nitpicking''.
Lolcow rules make no sense and are arbitrary as hell.
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Wow this is retarded
>BTS member V’s Chinese fans recently spent most likely an enormous amount to dedicate a 3000 meter banner for the K-Pop idol.
>And we all know that when Chinese fans gather to do something special for their idol, they never disappoint. In fact, some of the craziest gifts and tributes to K-Pop idols were from Chinese fans. From luxury cars, to countless shopping bags filled with designer clothing and items, Chinese fans spare no money or effort when it comes to gift-giving.
>They booked a total of three encircled roads where around 300 ads promoting V were placed.
>The fan club signed a deal with Seoul City and were able to make V the first K-Pop idol in history to have ads of himself that was over 3000 meters in length.
the same reason these same fansites spend thousands of dollars a week to send idols super expensive gifts
they legit think by doing these things that they're going to get oppas attention and more or less, his cock
thats how retarded these people are
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that’s not wonho you blind rat
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Ryujin has that Tzuyu "dead inside" vibe. Mina also has it. I don't understand why some of these girls decide to become idols when they seem to hate it.>>58467
It was just a question since they've all had that ugly styling at some point and they all blend together when they have damaged colorful hair and those ugly contacts and look the same, I didn't mean to trigger
you. I'm so sorry I can't tell your oppars apart when they look like a middle schooler's clown art.
Anyway, he doesn't look bad when he looks like this? I don't understand how the unicorn vomit styling is appealing.
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Wym anon? Are you saying this isn't the sexiest thing you've ever seen?
But for real, it's fucking ugly. I can't think of a single idol that looks better with those ugly contacts on than they do without them, I understand wanting ~unique~ styling, but these days you'd be better off leaving them with their natural eyes since everyone wears contacts. Also, why does it seem like idols wear the cheapest, ugliest Halloween store tier contacts? You'd think they'd at least invest in some that aren't so comically fake and make them look like lizards? Kek
Same answer as in why they choose the pissyellow hair or starve them to death.
Imho, sometime it can look good, if the quality of the lenses is high. But most of the times, it just results in precious little lizard boys.
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I found this and ratmy made it as a meme unironically, they think this is cute
I skipped your post cause i didnt know who that was but wow park jimin?? She looks very different.
I read somewhere that she had reported all people who dmed her, comparing her body parts to fruits like kek it's so rude but she drew the attention herself
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Another day, another ratmy being dumb as a box of rocks (there's not even a country in the world that has 1.7b people so double fucking dumb)
Those type of contacts look good on no one. it's so cheap and fake (and probably shit for long time use) I understand wearing slight colors like grey or light brown but that crazy halloween shit looks bad. >>58501>>58504
I think Jimin looks best as a blonde or with pink hair but he doesnt need the contacts. i would be uncomfortable af wearing that shit all the damn time, esp if they arent meant for astigmatism eyes. I agree, they need to be styled better now that they are in their mid to late 20s. not teenagers anymore
lots of people act normal right up until they decide to actually kill themselves
its not always a super long planned out thing
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A literal Ape
the comments are the biggest fucking conspiracy theorists
6. [+135, -6]
Sulli's day of passing was exactly 666 days after Jonghyun's death. And if you dissect the day of death and add together the numbers 666 appears again(?). Did Sulli calculate this…? Freaking goosebumps
Like that one is pretty disrespectful ^. I hate when people make shit up like that without any proof that makes sense
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jimincel is so creepy looking
Yeah her current pictures are mostly just shooped to hell and back, on ASC her body is a lot more fridge-shaped.
I feel bad for her because she can sing and even beat Lee Hi to win Kpop Star a few years ago, yet almost everyone else on the show and in her friend circle has had a better career than her; Baek Yerin just had a huge hit song this year and is better known among the public, Seungyoun recently got into X1, Vernon is in Seventeen, Lee Hi and Baek Ayeon are digital monsters and Seunghoon is doing well enough on varieties and Winner.
I wonder what went so wrong with her career that she got stuck on ASC just to stay afloat
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This is why you shouldn’t call your fans your girlfriends
tbh i like the fake love era more than idol and boys with luv
idk but it felt more real(samefagging)
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She looked like bts' jimin in this 15& pic
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Why does Yeri look like this? Proof that that ideal Korean “visual” doesn’t always work out.
Yeri is not & never has been considered a visual so idk what you're on about.
She's ps'd herself into gangnam unnie status like 90% of idols…nothing special about her situation afaik
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how is she even close to gangnam unnie status?
That's not even Yeri, moron. Where'd you even find that pic?
Petition to ban anons who can't take two seconds to make a descriptive file name ON AN IMAGEBOARD please & thank you mods <3
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Jungkook if he worked a regular job.
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Should I warm up a bottle & tuck you into bed too? Jfc
Can't decide if it's a bop or not.
Sounds like 2 songs in 1.>>58647
That's bad Photoshop for ya
Yes you are a taeyeon fag.
Its very obvious how different taeyeon is to sullis death compared to jonghyuns.
It seems like sulli and taeyeon were not close but she could have showed some respect,choosing who she will mourn and who she will not is disrespectful/
People can mourn in silence anon. and i'm not a taeyeon fag, have you ever heard of benefit of the doubt? >>58668
the song is pretty okay, but she will definitely not go far and will probably stop at 1-3 comebacks and go back to youtube
K now youre just nitpicking. I'm supposed to remember which thread every discussion takes place in? I knew it happened, I knew it was recent…and not my fault these threads turn over that quickly. Honestly four threads in two and a half wks is pretty cray even for lolcow haha>>58657
I feel like this is just like itzy. Why does every big group need a "little sister/brother" group targeted @ younger fans with wacky noisy tracks & all that forced relationship stuff with the original group? It's just so played out at this point…concepts are so stale and overused…no one's had an original kpop idea since 2nd gen pretty much
Omg I have so many questions, someone help me. Why are you saying idols today would get shit for this, you mean the collab between girls & guys? I mean that's true but it has happened sometimes, just not with BTS & groups with more insane fans
I watched this twice and I don't think jonghyun is in this, am I blind? Why are all the comments saying otherwise? This is taemim and key and onew or mino (I can't tell those two apart sorry I'm not a 2ndgenfag lol)
It's showing up in recommendations bc of the algorithm sensing sulli death news, plus ppl keep mentioning jonghyun. But the algorithm is not perfect so I guess that's why it's misleading new young fans into thinking he's in this? Or the owner of this video has pulled some strings, like how sometimes I get ads for super shitty indie singers & it's clear they or their parents have fronted a ton of money to appear as ads in other ppls videos lol
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Wow they are so stiff and the music sucks. Something about this dude's lips & nose just feels really unnatural
the lack of instgram post about it still more telling than random black jogging clothes no matter what.
it must be part of korean culture or smth. even if they weren't actually close it's still odd.. same with tiffany etc who were thought to have ''raised'' her
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Tiffany posted this on her stories but this was the only mention from her. I’m honestly surprised too that none of the other SNSD members have posted, especially Taeyeon. Although honesty I’m wondering if they’ve decided not to put it on social media at all considering that social media was the cause of Sulli’s death and they don’t want any kind of hate comments on posts about Sulli?
But yeah I do get why it seems disrespectful to not at least mention something but instead just carry on like nothing happened. Yoona hasn’t posted anything about Sulli but she’s not posting anything else either, whereas Seohyun is just posting selfies at the beach like she doesn’t give a shit. I find that weird even if they weren’t friends. They were still in the same company.
as much as it sounds like dumb reddit shit it's true
i know some people who don't fully grasp
someones death untill much later
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the look jeongyeon is giving somi's dad lol
The difference is, IU hasn’t updated her IG at all. It’d be different if she was posting smiling/happy selfies because that contradicts the idea of someone mourning. But some of the SNSD members are posting regular stuff with no mention to Sulli at all, so it gives off the impression that they don’t care/aren’t in mourning. They hopefully most likely are in mourning of course, but as a celebrity I do think they should have acknowledged it before going about their day.
While it might be shameful for the company to have two suicides, having no one mention it actually makes it seem like this ‘one big family’ is even more of a lie
>>58773>this ‘one big family’ is even more of a lie
Who actually ever thought that? It's not even really an image SM tries to push, even idols within the same group openly admit to members they feel awkward or not close with. It's obvious not everyone in a huge company is going to be bffs, they're coworkers and so busy they wouldn't spend a lot of time together.
Though even if you weren't close it's pretty callous to carry on posting selfies like nothing happened.
i agree that relationships are artificial but I think at the same time these people are still celebrities and must keep up with the public. People like IU can afford to disappear for a month or two and no one would probably question it too much because she's popular.
That and they may not be the bestest of friends or have talked that much so everything is hitting her a bit less. Point is - they can be friends and not be the closest of people.
Jisoo sounds horribly strained in it, how does being the least bad of the 4 make her stable vocally?
This is also prob why Blackpink doesnt release new music, they cant sing for shit and producers must work around it. Rookie TxT has the same amount of songs as BP apparently kek
males, especially men from a particularly male chauvinist nation like south korea, will think of women as whores no matter what. stop thinking that female behavior fundamentally impacts their perception of women.
but i do agree that most idols have no respect for their fans, nor should they
>>58777>I can't get over that rapist kpop guy who called his fans something like ''whores''…
which specific one are you talking about?
>kpop fans think it's an individual thing as if other idols dont feel the same way towards their fans
Im sure behind closed doors they talk about them like cattle.
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they also complained about being overworked and their pay but this is the fan stuff
Ive dormed with a bunch of girls and I don't keep in touch with all of them regularly.
Many celebs also have private IG accounts where they post real stuff for their friends and family as opposed to a public IG account for fans and official promos. Some private IGs got outed like that AKB idol.https://www.koreaboo.com/news/japanese-idols-instagram-hacked-revealing-shocking-sexual-content/
Even after this whole Sulli thing, people still wanna send hate for no reason. rofl Korean fans will never learn.
Does anyone think Mijoo is doing this for clout though or just caught up in a bad situation?
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I really want to like Soyeon, I felt really for her in PD101, I’ve just been getting these arrogant vibes from her recently and on shows
I mean yeah I agree her personality is shitty but why does it always have to be a age thing with women.
Do you think women don't deserve sympathy or love once they turn 30?
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what the fuck
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i feel like every idol has been harley quinn its so tired and boring now
then again, im not a capeshit fan
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even the males, kek
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Do you think that more talented idols resent, mock or even bully their lesser talented group members? Having to share the money you earned with somebody who's basically useless is bound to piss anybody off. Example, Baekyhun and Chen vs. Chanyeol and Sehun or Choa vs. the entire rest of AOA. Not that Jihyo is super good, but just imagine having to constantly hear Sana and Momo's whiny ass voices. It seems like in most group there's always only one somewhat decent singer who has to carry all the others.
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reminds me of this
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sooyoung did it too lmaoooo
Every Idol would be delulu to believe in only talent will bring success. Take Sana, which brings in the unclefans, which are Twices main fangroup.
Idols are marketed as wholesome entertainers, so especially groups are mixed with different "talents". Do you think Jihyo would have ever that success she has with Twice now? Never.
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so he said "bye hair", huh?
Anon you've already posted the same thing before,just drop it. She has become too irrelevant that no one wants to talk about her.>>58849
Neaga wonho is balding,probably because of all those steroids he takes.
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I mean its worse with male idols.
Stans keep on acting like chanyeol is this dumb naive little boy (he is 26) whenever someone calls out the fact that Chanyeol was best friends with his misogynist meetoo buddies which are zico,jung yoon young and that cnblue dude.
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I don't know much about them, but appearantly his agency didn't like his look? But his fans did, no? Nevertheless I don't get why he additionally photoshops his face into that abomination, that's so extreme, even for k-idol standards…
is that autotune at 1:10 when jimin sings? kek>>58790
didnt even know mr removed existed until your post. Top!
Tiffany’s problem is that she has no technical abilities. Her singing is unsupported and even after all these years as a singer, she hasn’t figured out how to move from her chest voice to her head voice so her high notes are always strained and nasally. She also always tries to sing out of her range (because it’s so small) and she just doesn’t have the skills to do that.
I don’t think Jessica or Taeyeon originally had the voice for singing because they have a weird tone but you can tell that their training is years better than Tiffany’s.
>>58877>they don’t have vocal coaches at all, and their warmups/soundchecks are just singing their own songs.
This is what every single ratmy cries when they get criticised. "It's not their fault, my babies didn't even get vocal coaches, they have to learn everything by themselves!!!" Are you honestly dumb enough to believe that?
Even if bighit wouldn't provide them (which is definitely not the case), then your poor boys could just hire one themselves instead of spending their millions on more useless gucci shit.
It's also hypocritical that one second bighit is the coolest and bestest company ever but as soon as somebody criticises bts they push the blame onto bighit and say that the members get mistreated and oppressed.
I watch MR removed vids for keks but there's no way prove these videos show their real voice, sometimes idols lipsync or pre-record live vocals or live process their vocals. Most "MR removed" vids are just fake vids made by opportunistic youtubers who make a version of distorted echo-y isolated vocals on Audacity for 100k views. It's a stupid easy way to get YT views.
At least Sooyoung knows she's no Celine Dion and doesn't mangle her throat trying to be main vocalist>>58879
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed is king. Jisoo is the least bad (though still terrible by normal standards) so commenters latched onto that because they don't want to admit that BP have negative talent.
The fuck did i just watch?
I'm no longer on planet earth
So can anyone elaborate on the discussion a few threads ago about why sakura is popular despite having no dance or vocal talent. Something about, akb made her just rly good at stage presence or something? Idk just it was fascinating to me but the convo died after like two comments & I've always wanted to know more in depth bc I don't understand her appeal at all
Bighit is a zillion dollar corp but can't provide the best vocal training on earth? Bullshit. Ditto for all the drama that goes down in airports, as if most groups couldn't afford a private plane or private boarding around the back not in the main part of the airport? There's a reason they do all this shit, idk why but it's annoying as hell that they think we are dumb enough to accept all their lies & machinations
Tiffany can't connect her head & chest voice, she has no mix whatsoever & apparently no one has ever told her. I give her props for trying but she just doesn't have the voice to rly carry a solo career, regardless of country or language or market. Her music videos are like long form beauty commercials or perfume ads. And there's something to be said for that, I mean they are pleasing to watch, but like it isn't musical artistry, it's all visuals & expensive instagrammy sets & outfits.
Kpop rly isn't about the music anyway, guys, and once you realize that kpop becomes more fun to watch & critique. Kpop idols are NOT musicians or artists. Huge effort is put into visuals, acting, concepts & dance. Vocals & songwriting are almost irrelevant at least to the idol. But that's the point. Idol pop is not music it's entertainment. Group members are cast for reasons that have nothing to do with music. Outliers like Wendy/yuju being good singers, rose having a music background & playing guitar, ikon/BTS rappers writing their own stuff, are exceptions not the rule.
No I'm agreeing with you, just I phrased my reply as a rhetorical question to bighit bc I don't believe they can't afford a vocal coach or whatever. they just don't care. There are some ppl who proudly state they've never had lessons & don't need them, but that's absolute bs, in fact that's how I can tell singers apart…all singers need training, idc how good you think you are or how famous you are
A major sign for me, that they don't train, is the fact I've never once heard an idol say they're on voice rest like no talking or singing for x amt of time. It's weird considering how much they milk sob stories for fan sympathy. Fans would totally eat up a variety appearance with someone like jihyo claiming vocal cord strain or injury & writing her answers to things on a paper or something like that.
I also never see idols warming up, managing their breathing, like none of it. All of them would benefit from all that breathing shit w the diaphragm, chest expansion & modulating it so they can increase stamina for dancing while singing. I bet fans would also dig footage of voice lessons …or a super non musical idol like, say, sowon or shuhua or jisoo taking a guitar or piano lesson
These idols along with many others don't have a single musical bone in their body. Jisoo especially has no rhythm, she doesn't feel the music & move with it, she just robotically repeats dance moves by rote memory. Ditto Jin, Sowon, yuqi, miyeon, Irene, most of twice. It's fascinating how untalented you can be but still be so popular! These kids aren't musicians and most aren't even dancers. They're idols. Fans fall in love with their looks or personality. And there's nothing inherently wrong with this, I'm just fascinated by it
wasnt chanyeol the one that has a rep for screwing around tons?
Is he also on that go bonkers with groupies when abroad list?
I see what you mean but I think that was that anons point. They show plenty of behind the scenes stuff with staff, stylists, dry run rehearsals, meetings, dance practice. But nothing related to singing, (in fact singing is almost never even discussed which is weird.) There's no reason to keep vocal coaching secret or off limits, in fact fans would probably love it, same way they love all the other evidence of their idols working sooooo hard. And then they would have even more grounds on which to base their "but uwu baby jimin works sooooo haaarrrddd" delusional white knighting. Based on all this, and the fact that kpop singers pretty much never improve, leads me to believe that singing is the lowest priority part of kpop idoldom. I mean they talk more about unhealthy dieting than their actual craft…bc it's not their craft! It's not about the music. They aren't musicians. Even Rose playing a lil guitar doesn't make her a musician. These kids arent being paid for musicianship or artistry. Theyre being paid to diet, get their hair dyed 582538 times a year, and memorize dance moves like a robot.
You need to relax lol we’re literally on the same side. I got my info from seeing them live and being at their sound check 5 years ago, as embarrassing as it is to admit that now. And about the vlogs, like anon said >>58905
they show everything else besides vocal coaching/singing lessons, so it’s not a far leap to assume they don’t have any. Or maybe they do and they just suck so bad they can’t retain any of their lessons, I have no clue. Both seem plausible. I’m done sperging about this.
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A bit out of context, but lmao this headline. Ladies, isn't he just your dream boyfriend?>>58912
So they just have the most incompetent useless vocal coach in SK? Even my unprofessional ass knows jimin won't last in that strained falsetto night after night. I imagine they won't drop keys bc the music is all canned & it has to match for fans who might view from home, on youtube etc? I saw one tiny clip of jimincel crying about his shit high note & a female staff said we can drop it a half step,, & im like uhhh that's literally the bare minimum, it needs to come WAY down, and it would benefit v and Jin too sooo–
Idk why no one's noticed Jin obvious straining, like you can literally see his neck tendons contracting…it's so cringe I can't watch him. If ur straining ur actual face and neck, ur doing it wrong.