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so excluding House of the Dragon there are at at least five other Game of Thrones TV shows in development
>A Jon Snow TV show
>The Sea Snake (about the "voyages" i.e OC adventures of Corlys Velaryon)
>Ten Thousand Ships (about Princess Nymeria of the Rhoynar and her conquest of Dorne and her three husbands one of whom was a young boy)
>The Hedge Knight (about the adventures of Dunk and Egg)
>The Golden Empire (an animated show about Yi Ti)
and some more undisclosed animated shows
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As a ASoIF book fan who refused to watch a single episode of the series against the global hype, learning of its horrid conclusion was somehow incredibly satisfying
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reposting from the TV thread, so I really don't care for any of these adaptions except for Dunk and Egg and Nymeria's one and I pray They don't fuck it up cause Nymeria's conquest of Dorne is my favorite bit of world building and history from ASoIF, like House Martell wasn't established by Nymeria it already existed before the Rhoynar even came, they were a midsized power who worked with the Rhoynar who had superior technological advantages and more soldiers to conqueror Drone together, basically both Nymeria and Mors Martell(her first husband) were using each other and their people's to get what they wanted, ever her marriage with the teenage boy Davos Dayne(her third and last husband who would later be her consort and bodyguard) was political and got the stony dornishmen to support her side
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I haven't read the books, I enjoyed the first seasons of GoT but I hate the new show. The costumes look so ridiculous for me. In the OG show Westeros looked like it was inspired by Europeans sure but in a more fantastical setting and much more vague. The costumes now look very English, specifically Tudor period. I also hate Matt Smith's ugly face. It feels so uninspired and looks bland.
Do any nonnas have hope?
i and the other book readers i know susually hated GoT
also lol at a jon snow show, he literally is the most boring cardboard cutout of a character in the whole series. i guess normies like to project onto him tho
me too omg! i thought i was the only one with an irrational hatred for this
tbh im v v glad i stuck to the books and didn't watch the series. the books have their flaws but they're genuinely good imo. so many fascinating characters (not jon)
it's hard to choose but my fave is asha greyjoy
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feel like pure shit just want her back x
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>>233425>The costumes look so ridiculous for me. In the OG show Westeros looked like it was inspired by Europeans sure but in a more fantastical setting and much more vague. The costumes now look very English
that's a weird complaint cause like the central basis of Westeros's worldbuilding is based on English history>First Men = indigenous Indo-European/Celtic peoples>The Andals are an obvious stand-in for the Angles, who w/ Saxons & Jutes settle the islands in the 5th-6th cent CE. >And then, as in England, the central civilization changing event is the last conquest. Targaryen Conquest represents the Norman Conquest of 1066
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Cersei is so awful she 180's to being based; she only "loved" Jaime because he was a reflection of what she wished to be, so sex with him was more masturbation than anything else (the only ethical way to fuck men) and absolutely humiliated Tywin, the most powerful man in the realm, by simply existing. She is the ultimate girlboss/gatekeep/gaslight queen, Rhaeneyra can eat her heart out. I wonder which brother will kill her? On one hand, we have Tyrion, who actively wants her dead, and on the other, we have the more poetic choice of Jaime. I'm more inclined to say Jaime because in my prediction (f)A(k)egon is going to storm King's Landing first, and I don't know if Cersei will have the hubris to free to Casterly Rock
Also, what's everyone's favorite theories/predictions?? Mine is Euron was a failed student of Blood Raven and that's why he curses the god's so fervently, and he's going to "wed the kraken with the dragon" by forcing them to make and steal their Cthulhu offspring by warging into it. It sounds insane but the fact that George RR Martin is super into Lovecraft and the fact that Cthulhu literally is just a kraken and dragon makes this all but confirmed in my mind. He'll also somehow be responsible for the Horn of Jormund being blown and the wall finally collapsing.
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>>233606>that she sees him as the male version of herself, that if she got her way and was a man she would be Jaime
that's the thing, she think if she was a man she'd be like Jamie, but when she meets brienne(a woman on par with Jamie as a warrior) she considers her an "ugly creature" and an "abomination", she has no respect for women who want to learn to fight and challenge the system and the ironic part is that she all the traits she despises in men, she's a glutton and a hedonist, If she was born she would not be like a Jamie, a strong and powerful warrior she'd be more like how robert was near the end of his life
AYRT, she's frustrated over the lack of agency or power that her gender affords her in that world, and internalizes the misogyny around her. She laments the lack of control in her own life, and undeniably the only way to have power or agency in this world is to be a man. She will also btfo of any man when she has the opportunity, however. She looks down on men, saying multiple times she'd be better than them if she had the cock (aka if she had the power). All of her hatred toward being female stems from her position, from the fact that all her life men have only ever valued her for her appearance, so of course she's going to fixate on others' appearance and chimp out at Margaery. It's insecurity. When she has a real female friend that she can connect with, she gives her all her trust and admiration. She seriously cherished Merryweather, and I couldn't but be happy seeing her having even a semi-functional relationship with another woman minus the scene when she rapes her, but that was again a shade of her trauma from being raped herself. Not justifying it by any means, it was one of the more moidier moments, but it still isn't comparable to any other moment of rape in the series.
Cersei's character is a case study of the toxicity of internalized misogyny from being objectified and oppressed her entire life. This doesn't make her a good or even mildly good person by any means, but I find that aspect of her tragic. Look how she treats Sansa, constantly telling her how bleak life for a woman really is; because she envies that innocence and therefore selfishly wants to destroy it. Her hatred toward her gender is purely a hatred toward being powerless and rendered into a mere pretty object to be traded around, which she projects as misogyny. She is a product of the men around her, and I'm not about to totally admonish her for conditions she could never hope to change.>>233629
But didn't Cersei herself try and learn to fight? I vaguely remember something about her dressing in Jaime's armor to learn to fight? Or she asks Tywin straight up to join Jaime in his training? I think it's another bitter reflection of her envy insert green eyes joke here
. I think if she was a man she'd probably share a lot of similarities with Maegor the Cruel than Robert personally, but her cruelty could be the overcompensating for her lack of power, so if she was a man who's to say she'd still have those tendencies? But the best part about this book is the complexities that allow us to have diverging opinions!>>233673
I don't stan her, my above comment was lighthearted fun, but I appreciate the complexity and tragedy of her character. Plus it is undeniably satisfying when she talks down to the men around her. While the quality of other character chapters tended to dip depending on the book, a Cersei chapter was always an interesting one, no matter which book.
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Do you nonas have any favorite ships? I'll share mine if you share yours And which pairings do you hate and why?
Honestly, the comparison of Cersei and Daenerys is so interesting. You have wo powerful women who had horrible things happen to them, and both respond to their trauma in completely different ways. Cersei, becomes jaded and misogynistic, thinking all women are naturally weak, powerless - because she, herself has been treated as weak and powerless. When she has just a inch of power, she does whatever she can to maintain it…losing everything cares about in the process, her family, her lover and her even her own children(the only things she's truly ever cared about)
Daenerys, is sold as a child bride to a warlord, raped every night, and slowly succumbs to stockholm syndrome in order to survive. When he dies and she gains her dragons, she vows to help people, to ensure they will not be sold into slavery themselves. At the same time, she wants nothing more than to go to Westeros, a country she's never been to, because that is her kingdom, she conquers these slave cities, rescuing people, she amasses an army of people who grateful to her, believe her to be their savior, following her anywhere. She leaves each city, in ruin, gaining her armies and leaving. When she finally claims the last, she basically fucks off and leaves her ex-lover in charge of all four cities, with no government, no replacement of economy (it was slave base) - with nothing to replace it, she may have freed these people, but she has also doomed them - what is stopping another country, another group of powerful people to show up, and claim it for themselves? those thoughts don't cross Daenerys's mind, all she cares about is reclaiming the glory of her house….she starts out with great intentions, but with the more power she amasses, the more she loses sight of her goals
i'm going to get shit for this (and with reason, it is a very problematic
ship) but Sandor/Sansa. After all the shit they have been through i would be over the moon if they could be the SheWolf Queen in the North with her Hound by her side.
I also liked Jaime/Brienne (and the actors had chemistry between them) but their storylines in later seasons smoothered my interest.
i loved jon/ygritte, both book and series, and i hated jon/dany. i don't know if it's the actors fault, but i can't even imagine the book versions of these characters interacting. the chemistry is not nonexistent, is fucking negative.
i also despise RL because rhaegar is a shit moid in general and should have been smoothered in the crib. i honestly hate him more than Robert.
(jonsa sperg incoming)
NAYRT but isn't that the point of fandom though? Everyone's gonna theorize and ship and write metas after waiting decades for these books. Other ships in asoiaf live with less scrutiny. Sansan, though problematic
, is arguably her most popular pairing among fans. I don't think any ship in this fandom is squeaky clean though.
Some don't like jonsa because they don't think Sansa's worthy of the hero they project onto. Others don't like jonsa because it gets in the way of jonerys or jonrya. Both ships have similarly dedicated fanbases, except they're not considered crazy for creating metas/gifs/fanfic. People tend to think Sansa is less important because she can't wield a sword or ride a dragon, of course she can't get with GRRM's self insert!
inb4 "you sound like a jonsa" yes. I am riding the clownsa train so of course take my words with a grain of salt, but I think the hate for it is still rooted in misogyny at least to some degree.
I am so sick and tired of this disney tier extended universe. Make something original for change.
Since I read the fire and blood book, doubt I will even check out the new series. How can you "colourblind cast" an inbred family with very prominent and plot important features.
Also the wigs SUCK.
I’m so glad you nonnas were brave enough to say it because I love SanSan. I love it so much. I rarely care much about ships, but for some reason this one got me good. Beauty and the Beast is exactly right. I have to attach this old MV I’m reminded of. Also >they could be the SheWolf Queen in the North with her Hound by her side.
If GRRM doesn’t give us this, I will riot. Another thing, even though Sandor’s interactions with Arya are cute, I kind of got annoyed with them overshadowing his interactions with Sansa. I can’t wait for them to be together again.
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they aren't targs though, they are supposed to be members of House Velaryo, another Valyrian family that managed to survive the doom, but they weren't dragonlords like the Targeryens and were mainly a minor naval power/merchants, also plenty of targs have mixed Westerosi's, there have been dark skinned and dark haired Targeryens one was even crown prince, most of the main cast in HotD had westerosi moms
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hoo hoo, I sold people into slavery so I could buy expensive gifts for my teenage bride that I literally won in a tournament, I am the victim here"
i hate jonsa because jon is the most biring character. jacks shit to do with misogyny. >>233769
this exactly. valyrian looks are very plot relevant so it sucks that they went for bottle blonde party city wigs>>233567
my fave theory (no spoiler bc it's pre canon events) is that the defiance of Duskendale was a set up bc there were several actors who had an interest in fucking with aerys and destabilising the targaryen rule
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I really don't think Dany wants to rule. Her conquests were more motivated by altruism than ambition, which is why she targeted the slave cities. I think she's just copying her brother's desires because she's heard it all her life. The blood of the dragon must rule. But when Dany sits back and actually wonders what she
wants, she always sees that house with the red door in Braavos. She wants a home. A family. Stability.
Which is why she's flocked to these people that need her so soon after losing her child. It's been heavily hinted at that Bran is the endgame king
so I think Dany will give up the goals of her brother and find her own version of the house with the red door. Maybe somewhere in Dorne, where lemon trees are abundant. It's that or she dies in battle, but I REALLY hope not, because every other woman in this story dies, and Dany desires the stability and family she so clearly longs for.
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Dany falling for this guys is the biggest thing that takes out of the story. I just don’t get it. They have no chemistry and his description is so goofy.
she seems to love them (especially Joffrey) only as an extension of herself. She has some sort of love for them but it's narcissistic and highly conditional. She's horribly abusive
to Tommen bc he's not like joff. (and i say this as someone who likes her as a character)
Tbh I think Cersei, rather than Dany, is being set up to be the true Mad Queen. The parallels woth Aerys are evident especially if you look at Aerys's own trajectory as detailed in WoIaF. And it would be sheer dramatic irony if Jaime had to again kill a mad monarch to save KL, only this time it's someone he loves
I like Cersei but this is something that annoys me a lot about her. Jaime was one of the few moids in Westeros who was a genuine catch and she never even fully realized it. I wonder how he would react if he ever found out she fucked Taena?>>233750
I don't like Jonsa because it originates from the show but the fans refuse to acknowledge this and would sooner do mental gymnastics and claim it's GRRM's ultimate endgame. I like Sansa, she's one of my favorite POV characters, don't care for Jon.
Honestly, this is refreshing to me because often I come across the opposite. I totally respect it.
My interest in them was piqued because of the show but I've seen content that predates it, though it seems like it was a small group.
same. I’ve read the books back when it aired but didnt want to soil my idea of how everything looks even if the adaption may have some good moments. Seeing what a trainwreck the last season must have been I’m glad I didnt start to watch it kek. Also I heard that there were several rape scenes added to the series that weren’t in the book, can anyone more into it confirm this? sucks if true. Shame its been so long since I read everything I want to sperg about it itt, maybe I have to give it a go again since I really enjoyed it. >>233737
Its sad that so many people hated on sansa when the series is full of truly despicable adult characters they could hate on instead, so good to hear that its not as much nowadays.
Will the last book ever be finished? My initial plan was to wait with the reread until its complete but I guess that’s pointless. I don’t even know what happens in the last season I just assumed it must have been really really bad from the reactions.
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I feel the same, I don't feel intimidated by Daemon. He feels more like a petulant child than a calculating, confident grown man. Maybe I just wasn't paying good enough attention, but why did Daemon steal the egg and lie to Visary? To provoke him? Into doing what? In the book he stole the egg because Mysaria was actually pregnant, and will he never be sent back to Runestone? I really want to meet Rhea Royce in all her armor and see them being cold and bitter to each other.
And why didn't Visary marry Laena? Just marry her and send her back to Driftmark until she's 16-18. Visary says he doesn't even feel a need to marry, so waiting wouldn't be a problem for him. It doesn't seem like Otto manipulated him enough at the point of successfully pushing him toward love instead of duty. The pressure was clearly greater on the former. Last complaint, but I really
hope they don't try and imply that Alicent actually loves him. She didn't in the books her dying words were about King Jaehaerys
and they have given us no scenes to endear him to Alicent, especially not in any sort of romantic light.
That being said, I can not wait for Craghas Crabfeeder, he looks soooooo good (and apparently has greyscale it looks like?)
yeah the jaime cersei sex in the books was consensual, the got scrotes jsut had to make it rape for no reason >>234519
there as a lot of added rape yeah. like in the books sansa has never even met ramsay, it's a decoy girl that was wed to him and all the abuse is offscreen
the books have scrotey moments but the gratuitous rape scenes outta nowhere were a show addition
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Nonnies, did you enjoy the second episode? I liked the new episode a lot more than the first one because it didn't have any shitty porn. Bless. I like the new intro a lot even though it was obvious it would be similar to a GoT one, but it looks a bit more stylish to me. Excited for more dragons and Rahenyera. I am a casual watcher, but my best friend loves books. I feel bad that I am just a casual watcher, at least for now. GoT felt too male gaze-y to me to keep me interested, it had too many rape scenes on top of that, but HoD at least has cute dragons to look forward to.
I guess he didn't want to wait. Also the pressure on him was pretty heavy, they tried to rush him. Viserys was never quick to make his own decisions, so the second time he did he caused new problems and he directly fell into the Otto's clutches.
Yeah, Daemon wants his brother's attention.It looks like we won't see Rhea. Ever. If they wanted to, they would have Viserys sending Daemon to the Vale after he tried to steal the egg, but they didn't mention it. They went straight to the Stepstones wars.
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Oh wait is that her?
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edgelord contrarian taste, here's an actual OTP
>>233409>are book readers really interested in wasting their time whatching these series
Last 4 seasons of GoT were shit.
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nonas if you had to choose: jaime/brienne or jaime/cersei?
Neither honestly. Cersei doesn’t deserved Jamie, but I also really like Jamie and Brienne as friends. I think making them romantic would kind of ruin that.
But if I HAD to choose: show Cersei and book Brienne.>>236297
I like the taboo/forbidden love of it and how they were “born for each other”. Kind of like an extreme “childhood best friends to soulmates” thing.
jaime/cersei is better bc they're both hot messes. brienne's too cool>>236297
who the fuck cares? they're not real and it's an entertaining relationship to read/watch
You can watch this video, it doesn't have spoilers.
He also makes video-explanation after each episode. Very good channel.
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Ugh yes, I am a total sucker for SanSan, I'm not one to care much about ships otherwise either. Beauty and the Beast stories really get to me though. The Beauty and the Beast TV series from the 80's was what gave GRRM the time and money to write ASOIAF, and I think he's been working that into his novels in SanSan as a nod to that. I'll be so upset if SanSan doesn't get more attention in the books. Pic is art by bubug on deviant art btw, she has a whole bunch of SanSan pieces. >>233737>>233730
It was definitely blind misogyny. Sorry for the sperg, but I remember Sansa first got a lot of hate because too many blamed her for the deaths of Mycah, Lady, and Ned, even though Joffrey and Cersei were far more responsible for these things.
They also dumbed down Sansa's character, giving Arya some of her more intelligent moments from the books. Arya literally says she an NLOG (season 2, some scene with Tywin). If Sansa fans brought this up, moid Arya fans would deny it.
Then there was straight up misogyny from Jon, Bran, and Rickon fans. Sansa, in the eyes of Westeros, was heir to the North. Jon is ineligible to inherit the realm, Bran/Rickon were believed dead. Multiple major houses were vying for Sansa's hand (including Tywin for his son!) for this reason. So many fans still denied her political worth because they could not bear the idea of a woman being the heir to the North because "she didn't deserve it." The showrunners went with the "Sansa has no worth" angle in Season 5 and that's the point where fans, looking back at it all, see where the show really started to fall apart.
What really changed the Sansa hate though, ironically it was Arya. The showrunners absolutely made Arya into so much of a Mary Sue and an NLOG that even Arya fans were getting pissed about it by the end. I knew multiple moid Arya and Jon fans who actually started to wake up to this after a particular scene in season 8, they finally listened to us Sansa stans after that. The actual end and mistreatment of Dany's character was the ultimate icing on the cake to all this. The Sansa hate has mostly disappeared now. >>233889
, this is exactly what Dany wants and I want it so bad for her too. Red Door analysis on her character always hits me so hard. The dragon lady deserves to grow old in peace after she finds the house with the red door.
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as a history-sperg, its actually pretty funny seeing how many plot points and characters George copied verbatim from real life historical events and figures
The Targaryens are basically the Normans, Robert's rebellion was the Tudor seizure of the Throne and Robert was an ambulation of both Edward the 4th and Henry and the 8th(bith started out at tall, handsome and popular and became fat and lazy the longer his reign went on)
Towton and Tewkesbury are sort of history's version of the Trident, with Towton being the battle that made Edward IV the king, and Tewkesbury the battle that definitively sealed it after Henry VI briefly regained the throne (something that didn't happen in ASOIAF), with Henry VI's heir being killed in battle the way Rhaegar was.
George was kind of flighty and spoiled, sort of like Renly. He made a marriage pact with the Nevilles, the way Renly did with the Tyrells. And eventually, Richard, like Stannis, is the one who is supposed to have killed or overseen the murder of George. Stannis, like Richard, did a lot of work behind the scenes that he felt went unrewarded. Richard, like Stannis, spent the last part of Edward's reign in self-imposed exile in York, the way Stannis left for Dragonstone. Like Stannis and Cersei, Richard and Elizabeth Wydeville became adversaries after Edward's death, with Elizabeth losing her brother and one of her sons to summary execution.
Edward IV's children also had their legitimacy questioned by Richard the way Stannis questioned Robert's kids'. In this case, because Edward had agreed to marry a woman before he married Elizabeth Wydeville, the Wydeville marriage was illegitimate and the royal kids were bastards. Like Myrcella, Elizabeth of York, Edward's daughter, became a marriage pawn. Like Edward V, Joffrey was murdered and his uncle blamed (only it was Tyrion and not Stannis).
(Cersei and Joffrey are interesting because they actually seem to each be drawn from multiple characters: Elizabeth Wydeville and Margaret of Anjou for Cersei, and Edward V and Edward of Westminster for Joffrey. Margaret was ferocious, hands-on and very aggressive about her son's rights, and there were claims that Edward of Westminster was not Henry VI's son. Edward of Westminster who was allegedly a cruel boy who liked to have knights beheaded(likely Yorkist propaganda).
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If you could choose any ASOIAF character as your husbando or wifey who would it be and why? For me it's Jaime
oops forgot to say why, so to be honest im watching the show for the first time alongside house of the dragon. Im up to season 3 in the first show and all eps in HOTD.
Brienne because she is so loyal and strong and I love her a lot. Theon because…of the opposite really. I love his character and the way he is stuck in his head about what to do and I just want to take him away from it and make him feel better.
The Martell prince that was played by Pascal. I always liked him, even before the show, because his main motivation is avenging his sister and her children, and i always felt their deaths (and lives) were forgotten by everyone. Their deaths are also the main reason i fucking hate rhaegar.
It may be a silly reason to like a character, but i like men that genuinely love and care for the women in their family.
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>>238614>Everyone is so hung up about how wrong it was for Rhaenyra to get Criston Cole to sleep with her
Right? Where in that scene did she coerce him? It was 100% mutual, she never pressured him in any way, and she's a fucking 18-year-old princess, she has no concept of abusive
Compare the sex scene between Rhaenyra and Criston to an actual borderline rape scene with Alicent. It was meant as a comparison between Rhaenyra getting to sow her royal oats and have fun while Alicent, the ever dutiful daughter, had to grin and bare sex with a scabby dude her father's age. >>238558
Ramsay was a guilty pleasure character, but Sandor and Quentyn are my favorites. >>238626
perfectly put why Sandor is best guy, but I think Quentyn deserves an honorable mention. I liked how determined he was, how he keeps trying to fulfill the mission his father gave him, even to the point of dying to try and win Dany's hand in marriage.
Him being stoic and shy, yet having this Sansa-esque view of the world was cute.
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I know, I KNOW, there's something wrong with me but book Euron (not show Euron) is just so awful and fucked up and interesting. Can't help it.
Genuinely hate cristen now, he’s a fucking idiot. And honestly we got zero build up to make us believe that he would be so hurt over “breaking his oath” or whatever.
They should’ve introduced us to him as a do good who has never questioned the order of the realm, or whatever. This just fees out of left field
I didn't like it. Number of plot holes was remarkable today I don't even know where to start. I'm glad we saw Laena but that wasn't enough.
It's hard to be on team Black when you hate Daemon and Rhaenyra. Ok, gray characters are cool, but that's just too… much.
fucking this. I'd go as far as to say he's actively bad. when he was calling out to the crabfeeder while riding caraxes, he just speaks
the line. he doesn't shout, it's not emphatic, there's zero emotion.. He's going for a silent thunder, but all we can see is silnt.
also ofc the one canonically hot male character is literally portrayed by the ugliest man alive.
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They should have brought back Harry Lloyd to play Daemon. The actor is older now and he could have used a different voice, different mannerisms, and a different wig to believably play another character, distinguished enough from the one he played before. It's not beyond reason for two from the same family line could look so similar either. He was awesome at playing the scumbag Targaryan while still making the character sexy as hell.
Matt Smith is hideous, has zero sex appeal, and makes Daemon come off as an incel.
Not trying to gotcha or anything nonnie
, since I'm usually a mean man/villain fan, but don't people usually say mean men/villains get away with what they do because they're played by attractive actors? Isn't Daemon being ugly good?
I'm not invested in the show, I was just curious to see this crop up on the front page because yeah, Harry Lloyd was really good as Viserys. Completely messed up. >>233750
I'm a Jonsa too, lolcow is the only website where I would admit that. I like Jon as a Byronic hero, and I like the Beauty and Beast themes in Sansa's story. There's no way the Lady of Winterfell/possible Queen in the North could marry someone lowborn or without lands, so I don't really understand endgame Sansan because it's just not a ship appropriate to the setting (and I love ships like Sansan usually).
Jon or Aegon (whom Arianne will probably marry) are the only acceptable suitors, if she marries at all. (See the Ashford theory, or the Pact of Ice and Fire that states a Stark must marry a Targaryen fostered in Winterfell. It's yet to be fulfilled).
matter, but well that’s the point we’re going for nonna.. what’s the point of portraying the bad boy that “gets away with it” (like they’re trying to portray in the show) when he doesn’t fit the bill charisma wise? it’s not playing out right.
we don’t need to be convinced of his wrongs being wrong
, his looks won’t sway us on that. but the eye candy part is inherent to the true bad boy trope. otherwise he’s just another self serving political recluse. Daemon is meant to embody charm
, and right now matt smith is failing miserably at that.
I see what you mean, thank you for re-explaining for the slow ones.
I think my dislike of Daemon and Rhaenyra (for spoilery reasons) sort of made me lean towards understanding Matt Smith's casting more, because I do like the ugly man (who is morally ugly) paired with the dashing bad boy persona. It's the sort of visual conflict I enjoy with GRRM, e.g. with Jaime (handsome but a complicated, even bad man).
That is, I'm not expecting the true bad boy trope to be played straight at all in a GRRM production, but since it's Hot D you can argue it's not really his to begin with.
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I hate him so much it’s honestly unreal, and I feel like 90% of my hate is because he is played by Matt Smith who is quite literally the ugliest most deformed looking man I have ever seen, he looks like he escaped from the miocene epoch. Everyone stop the search for the missing link because we have found him. I don’t comprehend how a man could be so ugly and the bar for mens looks is already in hell, but he managed to somehow sink lower. I don’t know how i’m supposed to suspend my disbelief enough to see this as a man who is wanted and admired by many women, somehow the dragons and magic in this show are more realistic than anyone wanting to fuck Matt Smith despite him having money and power. Aside from his looks he’s a fucking piece of shit pedo and i’m so mad he killed Rhea she was barely in the show but I wanted to see more of her because she seemed like a really cool character, I hope he fucking suffers in the upcoming episodes I need him to have a worse death than anyone on the show previously.
It feels there's half the dialogue of GOT, but it's probably only because of the different sources. I like that it's not as crass.
I feel like even if it has its faults I will watch it all. There's nothing else that scratches the spot like it. They could make it less dark though, as in the literal lighting because I can't see much.
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I loved the books and was obsessed with the show when it aired but I haven't seen any HOTD yet. Is it worth it? I'm mainly a Jaime husbandofag and want TWOW more than anything.
Rhea was only in the show for less than 5 minutes but she already shot to my top favorite characters. We've heard Daemon shit talk his "ugly" wife for several episodes and then we see that cool lady. As soon as Daemon rolled up standing in his edgelord little black cloak I knew it was over. At least Rhea got one last jab at his (possible?) impotency before dying. Daemon is irredeemable to me now. I will never understand anyone who thirsts for him or acts like he's just a "bad boy/antihero." I know they probably will, but if they ship Rhaenyra/Daemon like it's nbd I'm going to lose any sympathy. Girl, if he does that to his wife how do you know he won't if you become inconvenient?
Also Criston is an idiot. I thought he was just a naive fool but now he's also just irredeemable.
my fucking thoughts exactly. the bad boy/anti-hero trope has been completely ruined by kylo stans and serial killer fanatics. The bad boy trope is meant to subvert our expectations, have a troubled past, yet not completely irredeemable, and be able to demonstrate an obvious suppressed desire to extend kindness while also thinking he is incapable of it, despite his actions. The Bad Boy gives roughly, but bare minimum he still gives.
The bad boy trope is GREAT when used correctly, but now blue haired fucking bitches who love horrible men are boosting incel male power fantasy characters as the bad boy archtype.
I fucking hate how a trope that was honestly geared toward women is completely being ruined. Fuck him. >>241092
speaking of what i mentioned before, i am an shameful SanSan stan, but in a not creepy way i swear. Sandor IS the bad boy trope done well, i just wish he was actually portrayed by a handsome man with a scar. He was meant to be a phantom of the opera kind of deformed imo, half his face is bad but the other half is hot.
oh don't get me wrong, i lovveed rory, but if I'm being critical in a "girls deserve hot guy characters too" kind of way, I would've preferred a different younger guy. I mean The Hound was literally 27 years old
when we meet him in the books, which Rory is nowhere near.
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I agree with Sansa and definitely Brienne, but from my memory, Asha is pretty alright with the idea of salt wives and general Ironborn rape traditions. I think the most feminist is probably Arianne and the Sand Snakes.
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Arianne is self serving and not the least bit feminist, she was open to the idea of becoming the wife of Viserys and is willing to sell out [spoiler]her entire family and kingdom to get with young griff, so she could become queen of westeros[/spolier] its the reason why Viserys /Arianne is still a fairly popular ship
Isn't Brienne a bit of a Pickme for Jaime? Don't want to start a fight, she is my favorite character but Jaime is a huge jerk (that I still like), kek.
I got somewhat through the books and I actually stopped when I saw a lot of the story beats of the last season of the show. Do you guys think Martin will actually follow them in the final books or no?
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>>242044>Do you guys think Martin will actually follow them in the final books or no?
I don't remember if it was D&D who said this or George RR Himself but it's been said that it will diverge, and only one thing has been confirmed Bran being the endgame king. I think Jon's parentage was also soft confirmed to be the same.
George has said his writing changes a lot so even if at the time that was his initial endgame, he likely changed it inadvertently. There are clear future ideas D&D stole like the bells driving Dany mad from the JonCon story
, so there will probably be parallels from the show, just executed much, much better.
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Thoughts on the new episode? I like the new actors far better than their younger selves and thought the show feels a bit more cohesive now. The Aegon jacking off shit was so gross and unnecessary though.
I think they're going a little bit too fast. I would have liked to know Harwin and Laena better.
But I did like that they didn't make Daemon kill Harwin. I would not have liked that since I already can barely stand him.
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I have no intention to watch the series but has Aegon(Rhaenyra's and Daemon's son) appeared yet, he's my favorite Targ king and both my husbando and sonfu, I don't wanna see him ruined
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Love this creepy bug girl. Justice for Helaena.
I was confused about who she was at first but then I remembered she was Helaena. As soemone who also wants pet giant millipedes, she's cool.
I didn't care too much about Harwin since we literally barely knew him. I did cheer him on for giving Cole a taste of his own medicine with the face punching. His brother (still don't know his name) is gearing up to be the main punchable villain. Even Alicent was like "dude wtf."
I think today's episode was better in that actually. At least it's clear that everything happened in a day or two.
I think part of the trouble is the lack of detail the original has… they don't want to create new material so they stick to that, but it makes them go fast.
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so these are the actors playing jace and baela in the final time-skip, they look like moderately populars tik-tokers
the more I think about it, the more certain I am that a story that requires several time skips is probably not the best story to tell.
I wish they had chosen an Aegon i the conqueror series, so that we could get into the beginnings of each of the great houses.
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Is anyone else thrown off by the casting for older Alicent? She looks the same age as the previous actress
they’re both insane abusive
scrotes and men love that
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I'm fucking piiiiiiiissed that they didn't cast THIS guy as Daemon instead of ugly Matt Smith.
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Agreed, I find him so damn attractive and Daemon doesn't do it for me at all. Even if he's a rage-filled scrote lol, though it seems like he's being written as multifaceted instead of just a boring psychopath for the sake of it. Can't wat for him to kill his uncle at the Godseye
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I haven't watched the episode yet but you mean this is hot? He's right on par with Matt Smith if not uglier imo.
How much time are they skipping? He looks the same age as Daemon. I know people rag on the show for the male actors staying the same while the women get changed. But if I see old Aemond and same old Matt Smith on screen it's going to break my immersion a lot. Dude doesn't age at all in 20-some years?>>244967
Same. I think he's got strong features and looks distinctive but he's not my type. But that doesn't mean I think he's ugly.
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same with Alicent, in the book her motivations seemed to solely driven by desire for power and she really had no characterization except as a cersei parallel, in the show you get where her frustrations seem to be coming from her, her resentment of rhaenyra who got to fuck around with the hottest guys in westeros while she forced to be with a disgusting rotting old man and was never allowed to complain or show discomfort
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New episode stills! She looks so good in black.
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'Strong boys' speech
good to see they included the habsburg jaw since they are basically the irl targaryens >>245306
she’s so beautiful
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the wildest thing for me is the fact that the actor playing him was born in 2002, he's just 20 years old, he looks 32
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I love the dress.
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It's so hard to find definitive info about his age anywhere. He was in the movie Fire in 2015 and definitely doesn't look like he's only 13, so I'm tempted to think he's mid-to-late-20s.
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Samefag, he's definitely gotten handsomer with age (even without the Targ wig).
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he's hot to me and that's all that matters
Appreciate you nonny
. So excited to see him fuck shit up in tonight's episode.
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Sad ep tonight :(
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this mf looks like bam margera
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I'm curious how anon's favorite ASOIAF characters compare to their favorite HOTD characters and if there are any sort of trends. I haven't seen HOTD yet and haven't read F&B but my favorite characters in ASOIAF are Jaime, Cersei, Sansa and Theon. If you want to indulge my autism please reply with
>favorite asoiaf characters
>least fav asoiaf characters
>favorite hotd characters
>least fav hotd characters
>any favorite or hated pairings from either
Ooh, fun! Anon, you should probably watch HOTD. I don't think it can compare to the books in the amount of characters or storylines, but I think it's doing what it's meant to do well.>jaime, brienne, cersei, dany and arya>jon… he hasn't done anything he's just boring, all the serial rapists>rhaenyra, aemond, alicent>daemon. I have a love-hate relationship with Viserys as I think he's written well but the war is his fault
The pairings, meh, I'll read some fanfiction and then get depressed thinking about canon, so I haven't managed to get too much attached.
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so like can we all agree Helaena is autistic like i think we can all agree on that, I'm saying this as a fellow autist
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>>246577>catelyn, rickon, sansa, young griff, manderlys>darkstar, tyrion and cersei, littlefinger>tully lads, luke, jace, rhaenys, helaena, gaemon and his moms, viserys>aemond, cole, daemon, borros, larys>i liked daemon/laena, val/jon, jace/helaena and other crack ships
i see some patterns here
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The way he's so gentle and affectionate with his mother and protective of his (possibly autistic) sister. The one (1) war criminal I want to marry
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Based purely on entertainment value OR being well-written/likeability>favorite asoiaf characters
Wyman Manderly, Sansa, Little finger, Varys, Cersei, Tyrian, Tywin, Jaime, Penny, Dany, Reek, Brienne, Tormund (har!), all Martells (primarily Oberyn), Victarion, Euron, Roose, Gregor, Sandor, Barristan, Robert Baratheon, Ned, Nimble Dick, Podrick, Bram, Stanis, Davos, Lewyn, and Catelyn
Based purely on the lack of entertainment value OR general dislikeability, accidental or purposeful.>least fav asoiaf characters
Jorah (gross), Theon (he's Theon), Melisandre (not her fault really, just frustrating seeing her get stuff wrong), Janos and Alister (obviously), Jon (boring), Bran (boring), Renly (fuck that smug prick), Joffery, Ramsay (his relationship with his Reeks are the only interesting thing about him in the books), Stanis's wife, Oakheart (he abandoned Sansa), any and all Frey's (purely by virtue of being Frey's), Lem, and Biter because his existence was reasonably creepy>favorite hotd characters
The show only? Beesbury, Rhea, and Vhagar are the best characters. Alicent and Otto are great. Viserys's actor was amazing. Corlys and Rhaenys are the only characters that feel wholely good, but I'm team green.>least fav hotd characters
Criston. Show Daemon. Aegon and Aemond in the future, but otherwise no strong feelings either way with the rest. >any favorite or hated pairings from either
Dany and Jon for most hated and (aged up) Sansa and Sandor for favorite.
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is it bad if i find the thought of this pairing interesting as a messed up alternate universe thing? it feels a bit like a cross between sansan and sanrion to me
>>246577>Brienne, Sansa, Cersei, Catelyn, Tyrion>JON, Bran (boring), Davos (even more boring), Littlefinger, Jorah>Alicent, Rhaenyra, Aemond, Laena, Helaena, Viserys in a "I want to study you like a bug" way>Daemon, Criston, Otto, Aegon
I don't really care much about pairings, GoT doesn't lend itself well to romantic notions for me lol.>>247326
Sansa is a huge favorite for me, it made me so mad that people hated her for being naive. That's the whole tragedy of the thing! Stupid fuckers.
I know, the scene with Larys was fucking disgusting.
I loved the scene with Rhaenys on her dragon tho when she had her armor on (I don't know how she managed to go to the dragon pit, put the armor on in time and then also climb on her dragon she literally did that in like 5 minutes). Rhaenys is the only one who is the rightful heir to the throne and I wish she would've said dracarys and burned all of their asses
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I think he looks kinda hot when he's in armor but his regular scenes are just awkward and I think 99% of it is cause of the awful wig they have him wearing, that goes for most of the adult targ males, they all have awful wigs that look clearly fake, I don't get how they got the right look for Harry Lloyd all the way back season GoT in 1 but managed to fuck it up a decade later
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We didn’t even get a single kiss between Harwin and rhaenyra but we had to sit and watch Larys jerk off to Alicents feet, WTF
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The Hightowers are so ridiculous, Alicent KNOWS Aegon is an awful person and would be an awful king, hell fucking Aegon knows he'd be an awful king and yet she still pushes him to it because of her grudge against Rhaenyra, also surprised no one's talking about how Aegon left his bastard son to fend for himself in a child fighting pit
no, he just uggy.>>248095
that’s what’s fucking annoying, Aegon HIMSELF points out that viserys hated him! Also, his last words weren’t even close to something she could misconstrue. he says “last we spoke” and then “the prince that was promised” none of which really point to her aegon, and he even mentions a previous convo they clearly never had.
she is willfully believing it’s his dying wish, but i wish the show made it more obvious that she’s aware of her own delusion.
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omg thank you, like i kinda like it on principle of the greens taking a “loss” but that’s about it. it did feel marvel esque.
I did like that our girl halaena was right though>BEWARE THE BEAST BENEATH THE BOARDS
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ofc a fucking pick-me ass bitch producer wrote the foot fetish scene. a fucking woman wrote it. they chose to give us non-canonical development to a random character that we’ve barely seen in two episodes at the violation of one of the main female leads.
>gives a man with a club foot a foot fetish
nothing about that is ingenious or innovative, it’s actually embarrassingly on the nose and borderline offensive to some probably.
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Its really not that complicated, alicent, otto and criston all want aegon on the throne, not cause they think he'd be a better a king or that he deserve to rule by birthright, but cause all their own goals can only be accomplished with aegon on the throne, otto is the second son who stands to inherit nothing and this is the only path for him to gain absolute power, alicent genuinely seems to believe she could "guide" aegon from behind the scenes and rule in his name at times(like the pick-me she is) and criston is bitter that rhaenyra rejected him 20 years ago >>248145
its supposed to be the point of no return for both sides, there can be no negations or calls for peace after the death of a child
Bitch excuse me? So not only did I have to watch yet another man on this show jerk his pathetic dick, and not only did he have a foot fetish about it, but these bitches are saying he has a foot fetish because of his clubfoot?
I want to die.>>248161
I don't mind it tbh, if there's dragons involved then I wanna see 'em and they better be doing cool shit.
the brat cost him an eye in a 4-against-1 bc aemond claimed a dragon and it chose him. he didn’t steal it, he had every right to do what he did. and yeah, like i said i want aegon dead too but in a significantly more painful manner given how much of a disgusting monster he is.
anyway aemond x helaena should’ve been married instead of aegon and helaena.
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well you'd be happy to know he gets crushed during a dragon duel, gets horrifically burned, loses the ability to walk, his injuries were so bad that he was unable to have any sexual satisfaction, and he spent the last three years of his in horrible pain and agony that drove him mad
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MY BABIES I love them
Kek, why does Aemond look like some Adam Driver depictions?
Nice art though.
>>248315>The boys were just defending themselves
they attacked him first, acting smug isn’t an invitation nor justification for those little crotchgoblins to attack him when he expressed no intention to harm them first. he didn’t pick up the rock until after jace had already drawn his knife.
yeah he has a school shooter vibe as an adult bc of the childhood bullying, no that doesn’t mean the brat who maimed another child deserves to get away unscathed. an eye for an eye. i just feel bad for the poor dragon.
no one points out how shitty viserys was, he was a shit father who spoiled rhaenyra way too much while completely neglecting his other children. newsflash: yes they aren’t your precious first wife’s (whom you let die a horrible torturous death by childbirth) children, no that doesn’t mean you should act like they don’t exist and let rhaenyra’s kids literally maim one of them with no repercussions.
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has anyone noticed how shitty the hotd twitter fandom is? like one account literally posted a photo of alicent being martial raped and thought it was funny. Like I don’t care if you’re against the greens or not but this is disgusting.
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>TING TING TING
>You will never be a real Velaryon. You have no Valyrian white gold hair, you have no Summer Islander ebony skin, you have no dreadsof Driftmark. You are a Strong man created by infidelity and debauchery into a crude bastardization of Essosi perfection.
>All the “legitimization” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back the court mocks you. Corlys is disgusted and ashamed every time he looks at you, your uncles laugh at your first men appearance while toasting you in their cups.
>Nobles are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to pick out bastards with incredible efficiency. Even Valyrian bastards who “pass” look uncanny and unimbred to a highborn. Your brown hair is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to ascend to the iron throne after your mothers death, you'll be impaled on it once it senses your baseborn blood.
>You will never be king or lord of Driftmark. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
>Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll go to your dragon and speak dracarys and plunge into the cold abyss. Your mother and stepfather will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your natural surname, Waters, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a bastard is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a family tree that marks you as unmistakably baseborn.
>This is your fate. This is what Rhaenyra chose. There is no turning back.
It's always "insert characters from the blacks* SLAY" or "cole and alicent petty bitches" with them euphoria reaction pics and 300k likes… honestly it's bad when tumblr is the more reasonable place.>>248438
Kek, I love this pasta, especially the>Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to pick out bastards with incredible efficiency. Even Valyrian bastards who “pass” look uncanny and unimbred to a highborn. Your brown hair is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to ascend to the iron throne after your mothers death, you'll be impaled on it once it senses your baseborn blood.
Not a pedo, but young Aemond was really cute and attractive, I miss him.>>233378
The Hedge Knight would be really good, but the fat man promised like 12 short novels and only delivered 3. A series would get the late GOT treatment. My wish would be for a two novels per season type of adaptation.
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he was a cute and the scenes with his mom were really sweet,some degens unironically ship them though
are you ok? he came in name calling them hard and being a piece of shit, right after those girls lost their mother ofc to them it was like he stole it to rub it in their faces.>>248295
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>>248447>It's always "insert characters from the blacks* SLAY" or "cole and alicent petty bitches" with them euphoria reaction pics and 300k likes
this was literally the third post when I searched HoTD on twitter
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so to sum it up this pick me(Sara Hess)
>completely cut out Rhaenyra and harwin's relationship>cut scenes of daemon comforting his daughters>defended aegon ii being a rapist>added the cum feet scene because "feminism">changed laena's death to be more "feminist">thought It would be "feminist" to have Rhaenys come out of the ground and kill people for nothing>said Rhaenys didnt kill the greens cause it wasn't her war when her grandaughters and husband are involved
them being butthurt about him “stealing” a dragon that wasn’t even theirs is no excuse to physically assault and literally draw a knife on another child. shit talk from a stupid angry bullied kid doesn’t justify maiming him. hope lucerys has a painful death and jacaerys even more so, not just bc they’re spoiled little shits who never have to deal with the consequences of their actions but also bc of the retarded fans who cheered when it happened and think they’re just innocent widdle victims
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three other significant changes Sara Hess made to the story on behalf of her brand of liberal feminism
>she took away alicent's agency in the story, having her blindly follow otto's commands from from the start without question and making the entire usurpation planned by otto and the men of the council>Rhaenyra was supposed to have gained some weight around this period(cause she's in her late 30's and had 6 pregnancies) but the writers removed that trait about her, cause she believed it was maester bias made to make rhaenyra look bad>chanaged Laena's death cause she thought dying in childbirth was a not "badass enough"
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It is more offensive that she calls herself a feminist, I think her idea of feminism is just a female character that has "yess queen" moments, just like rhaenys in ep 9. idk about you all but characters like Margaery, Cersei, Arya, they were the definition of feminist characters. There are way more qualities that make a woman powerful. its like neither she neither understands the source material and how to write compelling female characters also this BS
>>248558>defended aegon ii being a rapist
I haven't been reading all the articles, but where did she say this? Not that I doubt you, I just wanted to read it.
I'm not too angry about not doing the weight gain, honestly. Any time i think of weight gain in tv shows, I think of the disastrous fat Apollo from season three of Battlestar Galactica.
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whether it was solely sara hess or not, the writers took Alicent's most powerful moment: the green council meeting and instead made her seem clueless about the aegon usurpation, that 3 eps before she was basically the leader of AND made her a victim of sexual assault and sexual persuasion… how can any woman watch that and be okay with it, if only non-book readers knew how frenetic is post-viserys death & the green council in the books and how alicent deals with it, I don’t like alicent but no one can deny that shit really shows how SHE was the leader of that team instead they decided to make her unaware meek daddy's girl
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Found this amusing. Everything makes more sense if Vhagar is just a senile old bat.
this. the accident
approach is kind of pathetic. we want to see MOTIVES. also, i think they’re trying to retcon the idea that dragons are “very loyal to their riders” since King Viserys earlier in the season made a comment about dragons and their loyalties: "The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion. They're a power man should never have trifled with. One that brought Valyria its doom. If we don't mind our own histories, it will do the same to us."
I guess for the asoiaf/GOT present cast to think that dragons are always “loyal to their riders” is pretty much just a trusted myth since they hadn’t seen any for decades until Danny? Like HOTD is pretty much populated with people who explicitly understand the nature of dragons, which is why we see Luke tell Arrax “listen, be calm” before they start riding away from storms end. he knows his dragon is young and inexperienced. i still hate this though tbh, idek.
Exactly, I even think it would be incredibly doable to still include sympathetic characters too by balancing out unforgiveable characters on both side. but tbh i just want to see people be genuinely venomous my god
i just hope rhaenyra becomes ruthless next season.
I think after the children get murdered
the plot will really get going
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the writers attempts at creating "OC girlboss" moments just end up producing massive character inconsistencies in the plot, the fact rhaenys said this and then proceeds to just do what her husband wants is stupid, like each of her moves were always so calculated in the past, since the very beginning and now she's instantly on rhaenyra's side
GRRM's self insert is Tyrion, so she technically got with him already.
I don't hate Jonsa, but holy shit, is Jon the most boring character in the books (I didn't watch the series because I hated most of the casting). I don't understand Sansan, tho, it used to be the biggest ship in ASOIAF before the show but now there are thankfully tons of better Sansa ships (many of them questionable, lol).
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>>250514>GRRM's self insert is Tyrion
I really don't fucking see that it all, Martin's actual self insert is just very obvious
Martin's self-important self-insert = Tyrion
Martin's pathetic male self-insert = Sam (He wrote a character whose's arc is about getting a rape/incest victim
to fuck his "fat pink mast".)
Sam and Jon would be more interesting characters if they were secretly gay for each other and fucking. I like Tyrion btw
but he's way too dark to be a realistic GRRM self insert, GRRM just seems to speak through his character sometimes because he's his favourite
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Thanks nona, I feel the same way. It's hard to understand why Jon is such a popular fandom bicycle (except for the fact that he's supposed to be relatively good looking I guess?) when he's so fucking boring. At least other fandom bike characters like Jaime and Sansa are interesting. Semi related but as someone who hasn't watched HOTD yet I feel like the Eyepatch Legolas husbandofagging has somehow gotten to me. How is it that he looks cute to me in picrel?
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I find it funny how often GRRM repeats certain traits for various families, like the baratheons, the brackens. the strongs and the karstarks are all pretty much share the same distinct physical traits, all four families are described as being tall and strong with black hair and being quick to anger
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>>252729>Sansa in general is a great litmus test character tbh, gauging people’s thoughts on her is the easiest and subtlest way I have of figuring out if people are shitty towards women.
This is very true. I've had men try to bitch me out for saying she was the most realistic character in the series and that I enjoyed her chapters much, much more than Aryas and some of Danys.
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This got pretty popular on GoT twitter, Thoughts?
i don't understand why this person thinks this was lost on all of us? No shit, the show version of alicent is the quintessential example of a woman having to work within societal limitations. We get that. But who the fuck wants to watch what we literally can look outside our windows to see?
And her having autonomy or decisiveness =/= masculinity. She represents the establishment and conformity, which acts as a perfect foil for rhaenyra, and are elements that are baked in feminine societal structures. Decisiveness is not the opposite of femininity. Both Sansa and (show) Alicent are women whose lives are often dictated by the likes of men, but they are not reacting within those systems similarly at all. girlboss vs damsel is not a 1 to 1 equation.
Making her decisive in her actions would not be removing any "realistic" internal/external conflicts she would have as a woman. Subtle ambition would be a better writing decision, but they don't know how to do that. And while yes, many noblewomen were repressed in antiquity, it's a huge modern reinterpretation to think that there weren't women ruling with a "gentle" hand over their sons and shaping them (and therefore the world) in their own vision.
We do not need to see alicent get taken advantage of sexually to understand the limitations she has as a women. In fact, it's lazy to use those typical literary tricks. Soft power! Show Alicent should've been a noblewoman with SOFT. POWER.
My thing with alicent is that yes she is an example of women who had no option but conforming and yes she is a victim
But why is it every I see commentary on alicent it ends with something along the lines of "you have no media literacy"? I've seen this on sm and here kek.
I have read/watched plenty of female characters who are abusive
as well as victims
of a system who were compelling and i loved how they were written. I loved cersei because she was compelling and entertaining to follow. Alicent just gives me indifference.
People who turn liking alicent or rhaenyra into either a political spectrum or a measure of intellect are so annoying. Whichever character you choose to like GRRM incest book is not a reflection of your psyche.
Old post but I just finished HOTD and it's so funny how right you are. Based terf
Alicent also what are the odds Aemond would call some moid a tranny to his face? Then poor Alicent would get the worst of the backlash
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Jaimelover here to take back every doubt I had about HOTD. I'm obsessed with this non literal motherfucker now. Say what you like about me having basic taste in moids but there's just something about him… and his mom
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I have seen way to many people casually admit to being momson fags cause of these two
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quick review of a book from my dad's bookshelf
Young boy gets a handjob by an older lady after nearly drowning.
Years later he's a boring man with a wife and a shitty job, decides to leave it all because of midlife crisis, and then meets the older lady's daughter, who looks exactly like her, and starts a relationship with her.
Then he dies from the most horrible cancer because he lived his entire life devoid of authenticity.
Because there's no evidence for or real canon content to support Aemond/Helaena (please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read F&B yet) but it's become popular with the twitter/tumblr crowd as a uwu softe incest ship that changes Aemond as a character imo. Aemond telling Aegon that if he was bethrothed to Helaena instead he'd "do his duty" isn't romantic, it reminds me of Stannis kek. But yeah I love Aemond as a character, I just prefer my ships to be spicier for lack of better word and find the whole Taylor Swift Hozier playlist she/they side of ASOIAF/HOTD fandom really annoying and tryhard>>261176
Let's be friends
You and those like you quite literally are on the same level as pedo coomer moids and tifs. Dgaf about "BuT He'S an ADulT" or "My AU is that they arent related raises nerd lenses
" its the same as the 100yr loli/shota argument. You are the reason womenkind cannot advance forward properly in this reality.
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Some of the handmaiden copes I keep seeing about based ambiguous male swerf Aemond are hilarious
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my orys baratheon headcanon
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"Rhaegar", by Denis Maznev
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>The Princess of Dorne: Lord Alyn meets Princess Alindra Martell
Painted by Martina Fačková for "Rise of the Dragon"
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Funny how it's the character who hates whoring around that's been made into the fandom bicycle Love that for him tbh
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mfw still waiting for fire & blood part II/twow
Same with Jaime, I don't think he's ever even kissed a woman besides his twin kek yet
but he's maybe the biggest fandom bike besides Sansa. Maybe the Jaime fan to Aemond fan pipeline is real after all?
can't speak for the show but yeah it's book canon at least that jaime hasn't touched anyone but cersei.
but most the fandom thinks cersei is bad for poor litle jaimey uwu and instead they ship him with whoever they think can fix him
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I have a weak spot for toxic
doomed relationships so I admit I like book Jaime/Cersei as a pairing kek. The show ending doesn't do much for me though. A lot of the fandom acts like Jaime has already redeemed himself by burning Cersei's letter and sending Brienne on her quest to find Sansa but we never really see him show remorse for his actions iirc, being a hot scrote and being angsty about your sister fucking other men does not a redemption arc make
ayrt and you're so right about everything. book jaime/cersei is such a hot mess of a pairing and that's what makes it so fascinating. brienne is nice and all but if you pay attention to jaime's thinking and motivations it's obvious he isn't headed for redemption.
tbh i love reading about toxic
ass relationships and horrible characters so book j/c is perfect in that regard
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women argue for jaime/brienne by saying stuff like jaime doesn't need to be fully good because brienne wants and chooses him anyway but then these same people try to force a redemption arc or act like one has already happened. i don't care much for brienne either (i prefer the pov lannisters including tyrion) but i never felt when reading that jaime fully respected her, some of their early interactions cut a bit as a gnc bi woman kek but he beheaded pia's rapist while calling himself goldenhand the just so i guess he's a libfem king (he/they) after all. i used to want my shippy endgame to be j/c having one last fuck
and then dying together in a way that somehow involved valonqar!jaime, but after the corniness of the show ending i'd take something like cersei stabbing jaime and him dying from his wounds soon after. i just really want valonqar!jaime or at least i did when i thought twow had a chance of ever coming out
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jaime is def a libfem lmao. i love valonqar!jaime tbh; my theory is that grrm has been setting up cersei as the new mad queen. there's a shitload of parallels with aerys, especially with all the background info we got on aerys in the world of ice & fire.
i'm not saying this bc i hate cersei, actually she's one of my faves but i like it when she's horrible
Don't compare my husband to a libfem or wokebro, Jamie is well liked cause he's loyal that's it.
If he's loyal to shit evil sister who cheats on him then most readers think he'd be loyal to me as well
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Aegon the Conqueror depicted as a Norman Ruler.
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For fuck's sake.
1) He’s a terrible actor and a scene chewer
2) Hate it when any female character—but especially a female character who bucks gender norms—is transwashed
3) HotD is a shit show based on a shittier book. Toob’s casting is fitting in that sense.