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Poor representation of women doesn't make her a NLOG, though I don't agree with you in the first place. Plenty of other competent female characters, it's literally plot essential that they exist, but she's the MC so of course she's better.
Either way at no point is she ever compared favourably to other women in a way that makes her NLOG - no emphasis on how much more appealing she is to men than others are, no mention of how other women are too shallow or frivolous to be as good as her, no hobbies or skills that are specifically unique for women portrayed in a way that makes other women look less than. You're making the concept of NLOG waaaay too broad and vague to be meaningful.
Feel free to judge me or agree with me, but here are some of my favorite tropes:
>Any sort of plotline where the characters rebel against a super powerful evil guy, it's just so cathartic
>Flashbacks into backstories when not used in excess or when done right.
>Any plotline that's really character driven and where we get to learn a lot about a character's personality, values, etc.
>Really smart characters when done well
>Characters who aren't strong or powerful and have to be clever to solve a problem, like powerless in a superpowered world, or just really feeble.
>Moral dilemmas and very morally grey scenarios where you can't even begin to work out the actual morality of something without raising ten more questions you'd have to answer.
>Malicious AI (I LOVED I have no mouth and I must scream). Good AIs are cool too.
>Manly women, effeminate men. Big strong women. Cute prettyboys.
>Disabled characters who have agency and functionality that aren't just objectified for pity.
>Literally any Gustavo Fring-like characters. If they casted Giancarlo Espocito, count me in!
Tropes I very much dislike:
>The smart character/scientist with no personality aside from "smart and emotionless"
>Unrealistically good outcomes to things and ridiculous fakeout deaths. Ruins immersion.
>Feminine guys who are just infantilized and basically drawn as moeblob flatchested girls with no male traits at all, or even a personality, really any childlike characters at all since I can't really relate to them.
>Misogynistic protagonists. I think it can be done right when it's actually dealt with and the character is punished and improves, instead of just being seen as a silly quirk, same thing with pervy male characters, though I have much less sympathy for them than the misogynist.
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I'm getting really tired of "broke" or "poor" characters that are obviously written by people who have never been broke/poor. I'm talking mostly about books because that's where I see it the most. Tbh I feel like it's a bit lazy most of the time (it's often a big plot point- character is broke so they do stupid shit out of desperation and get in bad situations). An example of this would be the protagonist in Lock Every Door by Riley Sager. That book was kind of hard to take seriously at points and I felt like the plot twist was just over the top, but that's kind of unrelated. We were constantly beat over the head with how super broke/poor the main character was and any time money was mentioned she'd go on a 3 page monologue about what it's like to be poor and at first it would be kind of relatable but she'd just keep going on and it would become more and more obvious that the author didn't know what it was like to actually be poor. For example she'd talk about how cashiers would judge her for being poor and like.. first of all how would a cashier even know you were poor, I'm guessing from using foodstamps but I was a cashier for a long time and we really didn't get paid that well (at all) the last thing we're going to do is judge someone for being poor. Like yeah there is the occasional snobby cashier but most of us aren't like that, and many cashiers I've known use foodstamps themselves. Another book was The Death of Mrs Westaway, the book literally beings with the main character throwing away fish and chips she just bought because she wasn't hungry instead of putting them in the fridge. IDK, maybe some people would do that, but I definitely wouldn't. I could go on about other books but you get the idea.
And this is kind of a nitpick but I hate that show 2 broke girls. I know it's just a dumb sitcom and not supposed to be realistic but the apartment they had on that show was huge, especially for being in NY. Not to mention their hair always looks really nice and styled and have snazzy outfits.
You're right, this Oxfam advert style of writing only works if the character used to have money and is now poor, because they're noticing the differences between their old and new lifestyles.
You can really tell when the writer has never been poor in their life, because their super broke characters go to cafes and throw out the overpriced food they just bought, or toss out half of their furniture because it looks old, or don't wait until payday or sales to buy expensive items.
I've tried explaining this to someone doing Nanowrimo and it went completely over her head. She genuinely couldn't see why paying an hour's wage for a sandwich and tossing it out after one bite was out of character for someone who was supposedly living in a cockroach-infested hovel due to poverty. She also wrote like twenty pages about this character receiving a bag of donated clothes with tears of gratitude and joy, like one of those evangelical Christian Facebook memes that get passed around grandparents. Some people are a special kind of disconnected.
Here is some I hate:
>characters who throw around dumb jokes or one-liners all the time, especially when they are fighting
>female characters who go around in dumb ass coomer bikini armor and somehow act as if it's empowering. Happens in real life, sure, but only with mentally ill women
>noble savage shit, you see it all the time with ancient germanic people or berbers or who the fuck not, especially if they fight an advanced civilization. No, not all "primitive" societies are good and egalitarian or noble, most of them are fucking awful and violent. Go to fucking Chechnya or whatever and see for yourself
>regarding historical fiction, when the author tries to write about socioeconomic issues and pulls out a dirty inbred peasant who somehow can kill trained knights like flies just because he lifted heavy shit on the farm. Many such cases
>will they-will they not het ships, where the female character is not really into the MC and the romantic subplot of the story is about the MC winning the women's affection. You know, this scrotey way of thinking that if you will bother a woman for long enough time, eventually she will give in and love you back
>very poor attempts at writing a competent military commander which is prevalent in sci-fi and fantasy. That character will come up with the most bullshit and complicated plans to trick the enemy and come up with elaborate battlefield strategy that in any realistic situation will fall apart if just one thing goes wrong.
Phew, I just realized that I sound a little unhinged kek
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Most Isekai tropes seems so pathetic that I can't even hate it properly
I agree with most of you takes but I'm genuinely confused about >effeminate/gnc male character is actually super manly and a playboy
I have never even heard of this trope
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I don't know if this can be considered a "trope" but I notice this character design way too much
Those fairy tales have been around for hundreds of years and probably weren't just for kids originally but that's beside the point. You can't deny that society has historically (and still does tbh) looked down upon older unmarried/childless women and that reflects in story telling.>>268634
Shit you're right. I can't keep them straight.
I used to lap this type of shit up where the fem love interest is unhinged and kinda creepy with her affections. But it's such a turn off to know that it's more so a fantasy of men for cute women to pursue them without doing anything kek. It's especially obvious when they perform moidy shit that the male protagonist "doesn't want".>>263155
I hate this bullshit so much. I like submissive men and I naively thought the boom in popularity of femdom would be a good thing but instead now it's just considered progressive to want to have a bangmaid who makes life decisions for you.
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media portray female monsters/creatures like this piss me off
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Agree also picrel
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I hate this fucking shit so much.
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I hate when they give animals human boobs. They relay shit animal biology to kids only to satisfy the fetish of the creator.
Writers in general have no idea how smart people, especially smart people in STEM, act. On some level I don't know if they even know what it means to be smart. They love having characters just knowing a lot of things and saying jargon all the time. That's not intelligence, that's being knowledgeable. Or the smart character is some emotionless asshole who can somehow calculate shit in their head, when not even the best people at mental math can do physics equations in their head. And if a character is the designated 'smart guy' and a side character, they will never get any significant character development, or it will only be cliche "I'm so lonely because I'm so smart." If they're the main character, you get a Steven Moffat show.
Female smart characters get extra shit because writers are torn between the urge to make their dumbass cold computer genius character and the urge to turn every woman into a sex trope. So the smart woman will either be super feminine and hot, or androgynous but wishes she were feminine and girly. Not even eccentric genius female characters can escape from the curse of having to be hot. And that's when they let the women be proper geniuses, because if there's a woman smart character and a man smart character, the woman will have gotten there either through sheer effort or idiot savant manic dream girl bullshit, but the man will be the perfect combo of hardworking and intuitive. "Female genius" is basically most writer's double weakpoint, if you can't write a woman well or a male genius well, it's gonna be shit show.
I like how intelligence is approached in 1001 nights. It's not just knowledge, but also wit and most of all, managing to find solutions for unusual problems. And that's exactly what intelligence is, ability to find solutions.
It's lauded as a virtue for both men and women (moreso women) throughout the book, and many stories feature a commoner girl passing a test of wit by which she impresses the Shah who then marries her. Even the overarching story of Sharazade is along the same lines.
But there's also a story about a smart man having to accept stupid people around him, and returning to his stupid wife and stupid parents after trying to get away from the idiocy.
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I'm not sure if there's a name for this trope, but I've noticed it in many sci-fi and action TV series. It typically involves a side character, usually female, starts off as tech support (hacker, scientist, etc.) , without any fighting ability. but then suddenly, after a season or two, they receive vague "training" either off-screen or for on-screen for an episode or two, and become a master martial artist or marksman capable of taking down multiple grown men. This has happened in series like Agents of Shield, Bones, Arrow, Criminal Minds, NCIS, and probably others that I can't recall.
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I watch the various NCIS shows whenever I'm over at my parents house for dinner>every show they do this >on NCIS the computer forensic expert McGee starts off as a stuttering nerd, has since become a commander leading missions >on NCIS Los Angeles the support staff girl Nell went from a 5 foot tall voice over an earwig to being a full on field agent taking out 6 foot tall men>on NCIS New Orleans the forensic lab guy Sebastian goes from a coke bottle glasses lab geek to REACT team trained field agent doing undercover work
Of all the shows I watched, the most disappointing to me was with Agents of Shield. In that show, two lab geek characters(fitz and simmons) suddenly became expert combat spies without any prior setup or explanation.
yeah its a shoujo/josei manga trope too. Maybe not in the same manner as scrote media, but its definitely how >>290064
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The issue with mutants as a general prejudice allegory is that when you have an entire group of people that can destroy cities or kill thousands without even trying, equality goes out the window because of the basic fact they aren't equal.
The best example I can give is this: imagine we live in a world where now people are just naturally born with knives and guns as part of their bodies. 1% of the population now has weapon hands. Some have BB Gun hands, some have Kitchen Knife hands, some have AK-47 hands and there's even a 1% of that 1% that is born with Nuclear Missiles for hands. That's basically the issue of Mutants in most x-men comics.
This is where True Blood stopped working as a metaphor for gay people.
That show went out of its way to show that vampires were dangerous, vindictive, murderous, and arrogant as fuck. Some of the "good" vampires would literally kidnap humans to drain them over time. But then the show had this belief that anyone who had a problem with vampires was a total redneck.
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It's a bit complicated, the basic idea is that the original X-Men comics were heavily inspired by(some might say ripped off) from the Doom Patrol series which in turn was influenced by The Fantastic Four. What set these comics apart was not their portrayal of characters as isolated outcasts, but their focus on humanizing heroes, with characters often experiencing personal conflicts and dilemmas. Although Doom Patrol had a more eccentric and surreal feel compared to The Fantastic Four. The original X-Men shamelessly borrowed from Doom Patrol. Magneto lacked backstory and was a generic villain leading a team called the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. It wasn't until the mid-70s, with the introduction of the all-new, all-different X-Men, that the comics truly became diverse. The new team included characters from different ethnicities like Storm (an African woman), Nightcrawler (German), Wolverine (Canadian), and Colossus (a controversial character from the Soviet Union portrayed in a positive light). The OG characters, Jean Grey and Cyclops, were also part of the team. making X-Men the most multicultural comic cast of its time and attracting a diverse fanbase. During this era, allegories about racism and bigotry started being mixed into X-Men stories.
I hate how in all the books I've read, the women who are attracted to other women are always bisexual. and there's nothing wrong with bisexual women, but why do they ALWAYS have to be bi, and why does it always have to mention they're bi? even in ones where the romance is central to the plot it's like that, sometimes I'll get 2/3 through a book thinking a character is lesbian and then it will mention she's bi. similarly, male characters who aren't straight are always gay. I've literally never seen a bisexual male character. not that I care about bisexual male representation, but it would be an interesting love triangle to read for once. I recently read the starless sea, which I loved, but the male main character is gay and his best friend is a bisexual woman, who I thought was gay for most of the book then it randomly lets us know she was bi. I just don't get it. it somehow almost feels misogynistic, like people believing women's sexuality is fluid or malleable or whatever.
Robots in particular are specially egregious, any writer that uses robots as an allegory for immigrants and includes a mandatory "redneck is a meanie to robot and yells at it about stealing muh jobs" scene should probably shoot themselves.
Comparing immigration to automatization is utterly retarded and you can just tell the writer thinks they're being so fucking clever and subtle.
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>plucky heroine falls for the brooding handsome secondary villain and tries to redeem him
why is this shitty trope so popular?