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No. 129780

I feel like there isn't enough hate on tropes, so please do it here

No. 129783

Liar revealed

No. 129784

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I feel like there are so many LGBT stories where the only two gay kids in school are a nerd and a douchebag jock who bullies him, and then they enter an unhealthy relationship that's doomed from the start. Just off the top of my head, pic related, Geography Club, Perks of Being a Wallflower, and about a shit zillion fanfics. Do westerners not know how to tell any other kind of teenage gay love story?

No. 129785

Where's the male version of this? Literally so many "popular" power fantasy stories are all mary sues for dudes.

No. 129786

>90-120 pound woman who beats men twice her size in combat
>The strong black woman trope who acts either as a mule for her white friends or black partner
>Liar reveled

No. 129790

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sorry couldn't think of a better thread image

No. 129793

isekai, harems, socially retarded male love interest who softy abuses the female MC, everything taking place in high school for some reason,

No. 129794

Quirky and shy Girl, Get the guy she wanted without any effort and doesn't get confident after it.

No. 129797

Shy nerdy girl’s entire life turns around because she goes through a magical makeover transformation sequence where she takes off her glasses, wears her hair down and applies basic makeup

No. 129799

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The "I'm the funny guy ahahah but also mysterious… but funny!!", only Lau from Kuroshitsuji pulled that shit right.

No. 129812

Idk if this is neccesarily a trope, but I am so bored by those 1M note Tumblr comics where a shy girl from some sort of rustic European fantasy setting falls in love with a mermaid, witch, or forest spirit. I just don't fucking care, even if it is lesbians.

No. 129813

Strong, cold woman that doesn't need anybody with a tragic back story of abuse or assault which explains why she's so strong and cold.

No. 129817

>geniuses always speak in chess moves/terminology
It's just such a hack writing move. Another one is genius protag and villain talking in gibberish that no one but the two of them can understand (not even the writer). Or the solution to mystery is always some action that was taken by the genius protag before the chain of events even began, repeatedly, so there's no reason to even try and guess. If you can't write out a proper strategy and thought-pattern then stop writing genius characters.

No. 129818

having british people in every fantasy setting or plot where other people can do just fine

No. 129826

No. 129835

enemies to lovers because they always water down the villain.
>having british people in every fantasy setting
Having British people in every historical setting. I could be watching a period drama about the Romans and everyone would still have British accents. I'm tired of British accent = royalty.

No. 129842

Used to roll my eyes at this trope until I had to reintroduce myself to a man twice in one day because I was in class earlier and I was wearing glasses and my hair up. Still a dumb trope but I can see why it exists.

No. 129844

Pervert with a heart of gold.

No. 129845

especially those supposedly funny perverted old men creeping on women and minor girls

No. 129851

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Almost every brooding emo bad boy type, they come off as an obnoxious whiny incel without a single redeeming quality, are usually the most unlikeable character in the cast, but the author desperately wants you to see them as sympathetic/cool anyway. Everything they do, no matter how shitty gets excused because "muh tragic past" and half the time they're written like Mary Sues.
When it comes to edgy characters in general, if they're at least entertainingly edgy or don't take themselves seriously and get rid of that "woe is me" bullshit then I might tolerate them. Although I think the female versions of this trope are less annoying in comparison.

No. 129854

no wonder he's depressed, he's a manlet

No. 129858

Hes only 13 years old,though.

No. 129859

Pretty boy characters who are the school "prince" and their weird obsessive groupies.

No. 129860

What about enemies to lovers but the hero joins the dark side and they're both evil together?

No. 129861

The dumb Gary Stu male harem protagonist that male viewers can self insert into and that has somehow god like powers in the fantasy world. It disgusts me how many anime with that same plot line exist.

Also everything about the movie and book "Ready Player One". I fucking hate that movie it is such a pathetic wet male fantasy come to life and the author is trash.

No. 129866

same but also Rothfuss' Kingkiller Chronicles and the upcoming tv series. Fuck you Qvothe, go suck a dick you dumb shit!

No. 129872

I've been reading my fair share of shojo manga lately and …
>Girl hates good looking guy in her school because reasons
>They end up living together because reasons
>"Wow, he's actually really nice"
>After many a mishap they end up together

No. 129882

Lol fair, but it should be used to get that point across (that scrotes are absolute retards who can’t recognize the exact same woman with only minor styling differences) over implying that the change in her appearance has now made her a natural social butterfly, one of the popular girls, great at her job, developed new talents and driving the thought that presenting in a typically feminine way will make you better at every aspect of your life. Of course, people do believe that’s the case… incorrectly.

No. 129883

I would dig that but I can’t think of one piece of media that’s done this

No. 129885

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basically just explained golden boy

No. 129890

doesn't justify it

No. 129891

Are you stupid? 13 year olds are still growing.

No. 129892

I hate the whole 'defeat means friendship' trope, especially when the villain murdered a bunch of people and committed war crimes. I also hate pacifist heroes who let villains get away. Just put a bullet through the Joker's head already.

No. 129893

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it's okay, you can say Projared

No. 129909

Batman is a massive retard

No. 129911

Batman would probably get a widdle ptsd attack because muh parents dwiedd

No. 129913

The Canon explanation that most fans agree on for why Batman doesn't kill the Joker is that if he kills one person even the Joker, he'll never stop, he will literally just never stop killing

Honestly I prefer redhood over anyone in the batfam, he's my buff edgy husband

No. 129914

This. Red hood is great.

No. 129916

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The bullied,wimpy nerd/geek trope needs to die
Being a geek or nerd has already been normalized years ago,it's so outdated and stupid.it doesn't need to exist anymore

No. 129920

Mean popular girl trope
It's alright when the mean girl or girls redeem themselves to the point where they're no longer mean
But when there's no change,it's a boring, overly cliched,predictable trope.

No. 129927

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The character is a absolute irredeemable brat/bitch/ass/etc but they're traumatizeeeeed so 90% of fans will bend over backwards saying it's realistic etc. Him mostly but her actions made me want to punch her teeth in.

No. 129946

Manic pixie dream girl who appears out of nowhere and makes the boring, basic self insert male mc's life all exciting and adventurous. It's such a harmful trope that glorifies mental issues and makes men believe that all it takes to fix their boring ass life is a single quirky girl.
I fit the trope on the most shallow surface level and nothing makes me more angry than men assuming I will fix their boring ass lives, like fuck all the way off with that bullshit

No. 129949

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I just came into this thread to say I hate everything those two characters stand for, but you said it way better than I could.

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No. 129951

Yeah, I hate this. Maybe she's just cool? How bout that.

No. 129952

Not a good example, the characters were based on a combination of the worst people the writer Bryan Lee O'Malley knew in the nerd scene, a lot like the Eltingville club

No. 129967

A lot of men either only watched the movies or just sucked at interpreting Ramona's character, she's a piece of shit but she's not a MPDG at all, she's more damaged and withdrawn than she is quirky. A main staple of MPDGs is that they exist to better the protagonist's life, whereas Ramona doesn't have much to offer Scott and one of the main causes of her problems is the fact that she is afraid of commitment and it causes her to move on from people quickly. I did stop dying my hair every two weeks once men started commenting on it though lol.

No. 129988

lmao i was thinking of Yuki from fruits basket and Tadase from shugo chara but this works too

No. 129990

I hate the Betty vs. Veronica trope were to capable women fight about a very bland and boring guy and that is somehow the whole plot and the Betty always wins because of the madonna/whore complex since Betty is considered "cute" and or a tomboy and Veronica is considered sexy and greedy

No. 129991

I hate the Mary Sue trope. Ofc there are bad written female protagonists but why can men have 100000 of these "male heros journey" "bland protagonist is the most powerful and has a harem" type of hollywood movies, anime and books and we women cannot even have some fanfiction or a ya romance movie or fantasy book without its female protagonist being being criticized like Bella Swan. If Bella was a dude and Twilight was about a bland mediocre dude getting with the hot vampire girl no one would have said anything.

No. 129992

NOOOOOO, iF yoU KiLL tHEm, YoU'lL bE eXAcTly LIkE TheM!!!!!"
Fuck outta here with this garbage.

No. 129999

you hate the criticism of the trope, not the trope itself

No. 130000

Again this is why Red Hood is the best

No. 130003

I'm pretty sure it's even said in the comic, "these two are horrible people, they deserve each other".

No. 130005

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Also Midnighter

No. 130019

This would kinda make sense in comics if the bad guys (mass murderers) didn’t always seem to escape from their superultramax prison. The Joker escapes every week and murders more innocent people. After a while, you can’t justify not killing him. I used to enjoy reading Batman but it’s just too predictable after a while.

No. 130043

This is a result of the fact that stories in cape comics have to be open ended so the publishers can keep making money off the characters. It's why Bruce Wayne's been in his early thirties for eighty years.

No. 130095

I hate the male "this loser is you" trope where all the problems of some loser guy are magically solved because for the first time in his life, a woman is interested in him. Is this really all scrotes think about? Is the validation of women that important to them?

No. 130142

Well what is worse, the manic pixie that solves the males life, or fantasies of a male character (usually a harem protagonist) solving the problems of every girl around him because they're that incompetent (and apparently none of their friends care) but makes the male self-insert feel good?

No. 130240

>Is the validation of women that important to them?


No. 130345

A trope I've always hated is the embarrassing moment that makes the main character get angry at semi-main character for conflict until they figure it out and become happy friends again.
I'm probably explaining badly but for example imagine character A is having a job interview and it's going pretty well but then character B (character B is a retard) comes in and says a bunch of things he shouldn't say and the interviewer changes his mind and it ruins the interview so character A gets super mad.

I've always hated those cuz it's always so cringey it makes me not wanna watch it
> inb4 "that's the point retard"

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Grrrrl power bland ass characterization for female heroines / protagonists. The end of captain marvel is so fucking cheesy and quippy, I want my heroines to be badass but also genuinely flawed.

Also hate the new trend of turning classic female villains into victims. Let me have my deliciously evil villainesses please, like Hela from Thor, who has a motivation besides “just evil” but is still powerful and terrifying. Cartoon Maleficent is better than stupid ass wooby live action Maleficent.

I mean I hate this all with male characters too but who cares about them?

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What are the odds I was just about to post something similar regarding girlboss characters, It can lead to shit like this where feminsim will end up defending landlord rights

No. 130360

what's wrong with your understanding skills, this is not about landlord rights

No. 130381

I hate that anytime a dark skinned black female character is the center of the story the focus is always on their race or she's in a social justice/political film, like it makes it seem like were not normal people

No. 130391

You reminded me of another trope that I hate
>character A and B are in an extremely close relationship
>character C becomes obsessed with A and pulls off some scheme to break them up and take B's place
>both characters A and B think the other one suddenly doesn't want them in their life
>Despite all odds, characters A and B rekindle their relationship. However they NEVER discuss wtf actually happened, even though it would be impossible to be close again without talking it out.
>Sometimes character C gets immediately dropped and forgotten about by the story. That's lazy writing. Still better than the worst case:
>Because somehow A and B never talked about their great break-up, character C gets off scott free and continues being friends with both A and B.
As seen in Oniisama E. I love Mariko for being a realistic BPD mess, but that plothole drove me crazy

No. 130392

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Manufactured melodrama over problems that could be solved within 2 minutes of open conversation. See: every k-drama ever. Let's say character A and B are supposed to meet at a certain time. Character B doesn't make it because they've gotten in a terrible accident and are literally on their deathbed. Character A is sad and when B recovers and tries to talk to A, they're cold because they think they got stood up. Instead of just saying "I was in a life-threatening accident" they will then spiral thinking A never liked them at all, furthering B's belief that they've had a sudden change of heart. Fucking YEARS later someone will say "Hey, did you ever get to see B after their accident?" and A will gasp, wring their hands and sob, realizing they never intended to stand them up and it was all just a big misunderstanding! If you had FUCKING TALKED TO THEM this would've been sorted in seconds, but nooo, you can't open your fucking mouths! Or even worse, you'll have character C who has been blatantly jealous of A and B's relationship the whole time spread gossip about B when they try to explain the accident, and A ends up believing C because drama.

It's such a fucking cheap tactic but I've ended up watching so many series out of pure rage rather than any enjoyment because I just want to see some justice served.

No. 130394

Oh my god same brain waves kek. Clearly we were both triggered

No. 130398

based sisters in hating fabricated drama!

No. 130412

Twins where one is perfect and serious and the other one goes batshit crazy for whatever reason.

No. 130413

That reminds me of the irl Girlboss who got busted ousting pregnant employees …very #thefutureisfemale yabitch

No. 130414

Yeah like in The Great they're Russians but everyone is speaking with a British accent

No. 130432

You two just talking about fabricated drama just reminded me of Naruto, and the Sakura/Ino drama, lmao that crap pissed me of so much even as a tween cuz of how retarded it was. Girls were supposed to be friends but then they become enemies because they both like Sasuke, wich was so stupid cuz Sasuke was supposed to be the crush of every girl in class already.
"Girls fighting over a boy" has potential for a lot of shit-showiness.

No. 130475

I really can't stand that shit, misunderstandings are the cheapest, laziest form of conflict. It's particularly offensive because it's like they want to avoid giving their characters flaws or having them be at fault in any way, even though legitimate wrongdoings and incompatibilities between characters are so interesting in fiction. It's such a waste.

No. 130499

When the guy is a huge asshole who is constantly mean and abusive to the girl yet for some reason they end up together.

"Takahashi Couples". I get slapstick humor, but it's really painful to watch the girl beat the shit out of the guy when he's being oblivious. And the constant fighting and misunderstandings get tiring.

I also hate how in crime series(Criminal Minds probably being the biggest offender) there are more times where they shoot the killer than there are arrests.
I get that there are a lot of cops who like to go pew pew and tons of killers who want to go out guns blazing but how the hell is it possible for like 5 FBI agents have a bigger body count than all 1000 serial killers combined.

No. 130501

>how the hell is it possible for like 5 FBI agents have a bigger body count than all 1000 serial killers combined
based FBI

No. 130560

This trope literally needs to die

No. 130562

One of my main fears when watching any drama really. I want conflict to happen organically, not out of no where just for views.

No. 130575

>part time model
>naturally, he's the most attractive person in the school and knows it
fuckign ROFL @ this, progroomer looks like a fetal alcohol syndrome poster boy. what a massive cope

No. 130604

When an unattractive guy gets with a gorgeous woman without changing at all

Enemies to lovers is lame most of the time

Fake dating/relationship is also lame and I fail to see the romance in it

Woman "fixes" an abusive or just generally shitty man with her love

Love triangles, especially if it's two women fighting over a man

A regular Plain Jane gets with a billionaire

Just off the top of my head

No. 130624

>story involves several disturbing, abusive, violent or criminal men doing incriminating shit constantly throughout the story
>turns out one of the female characters was the villain all along!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's just the most predictable, boring plot "twist" of all time

No. 130631

the over-protective dad trope

No. 139951

I hate the "everyone in this society has brown eyes but main character boi has blue eyes bc hes speahul" trope

For example wheel of time and the giver

No. 139952


No. 139962

>male says to female character "I won't fight you" or "I wouldn't try fighting that" etc
>"Why? Because I'm a woman? reeee sexist"
>"No, because (logical unsexist reason)"
>female character left stunned by this epic takedown, never makes any suggestion about sexism again
>if they spar he easily overwhelms her and ends up on top of her, fight is useless combat-wise or showing their skills and is just about sexual tension
>these characters end up together

No. 139967

LMAO I hate this. I cant even remember anything its been in but I know Ive seen it.

No. 139972

there some tension between joker and batman.
The creators of batman in the beginning of the comics made Joker gay (then they made him straight/bi later) so yeah that says something.

No. 139980

This is a good one. I remember reading a longer discussion about this somewhere and it's so obnoxious how the writers use it to dismiss their (male) character of sexism while being sexist themselves. "Silly women, in this post-sexist world you still actually think men look down on you?" Uuh… what are you doing, bro? And they never acknowledge the reason the female character would have that kneejerk reaction in the first place, precisely because she's dealt with scrotes hurling sexist shit at her all her life. Off the top of my head it happens in A Knight's Tale, but I have to give that movie credit because it actually acknowledges the problem with this trope. Heath Ledger's character is being a piece of shit and trying to goad a reaction out of Kate, so he can get his armor fixed for free.

>William: Excuse me-

>Kate: Don't work for free.
>William: And I can't joust with broken armor.
>Kate: Your problem, not mine. Each droplet of sweat has a price on it.
>William: It's just as well, they said I was daft for even asking.
>Kate: Who?
>William: Oh, the other armorers.
>Kate: Did they say I couldn't do it because I'm a woman?
>William: No, they said you were great with horseshoes, but shite with armor. The fact that you were a woman wasn't even mentioned.
>[Kate rushes over and grabs the armor]

No. 139992

Ugh. This is one reason I didn’t like Memoirs of a Geisha that much when everyone creamed themselves over it back in 2005.

No. 139999

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When psychic characters hold out their hand to use their powers. It 1) doesn't make sense and 2) doesn't look as cool as filmmakers think it does

No. 140021

Yeah it's way overused, especially when their nose starts to bleed. Please come up with literally anything else

No. 140036

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Made me remember Charmed where in the early seasons she'd squint to use her powers with an very quick zoom, and it always looked so silly. So I'm not sure what'd be a good way to show psychics powers.

No. 140038

lol I even heard the sound effect in my head when I looked at the gif. Ah, the good old days

No. 140043

That's the same reason I liked the villain and side characters from Memoirs of a Geisha kek. They try so hard to make the the protagonist girl so much better and special than everyone else, even giving her almost magical blue eyes that to me looked ridiculous, that they fail and end up making the side characters more interesting.

No. 140904

Game of Thrones in a nutshell

No. 140933

Every ~pure maiden uwu~ heroine trope. I wouldn't even give a shit about the mary sue aspect if they didn't act like literal retards. Even for the intent to self-insert they're not fun, it's one of the reasons why I can't get into most otome games and shoujo works.

Also hate relationship tropes where one character obsessively simps over someone who has zero interest in them. It just looks sad and pathetic. Or anything with a female character putting in all the effort while the guy just stands there looking ~*cool and aloof~*.

Hate the "opposites attract" trope cause it seems too contrived/forced a lot of times and the couple often doesn't have chemistry. If it's a bubbly character + gloomy character it's always the same old "one person solves the other's problems" shit (and once again if it's m/f it's usually the woman who has to be the perfect happy one fixing everything, rarely the reverse)

No. 140935

A weird, out-of-place, socially awkward character shoehorned into any sort of medieval/fantasy setting. Basically every Dragon Age fanfic ever. Bonus points if they're also trans.

No. 140948

Then you get the naysayers crying how "It's fantasy! You can have a trans-disabled black AIDS demimorphic character!

No. 140949

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Probably already mentioned but shaggy, fat (or gangly), weak-jawed, balding mutants paired up with hot girlfriends/wives. I've literally never seen the reverse, the girl always has to glow up to land a dude first which is laughable since men will settle for anything so long as they're getting pussy.

No. 140951

I feel like it's following "wand rules", which is silly because wands channel magic and psychics don't necessarily need to channel anything to use their psychic powers.

Hand to the head a la Professor X is good imo, makes more sense to show the character focusing inward rather than outward.

No. 140952

I've seen reverse a few times, but young hot guy x old lady is always made as a joke without a punchline

No. 140958

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In Ingobernable (Mexican Netflix series) there's a middle aged, kinda ugly female character who's dating an obviously much younger and better looking man. This is the only example I can think of and still she looks more well put together than the man in your example.
Pic related, they're the two in the middle.

No. 140960

The villain who hates the mc for some reason so they spend every waking hour of their life plotting against them. Characters like that appear in novels as cheap conflict dispensers. Just once I want them to say you know what, mc pissed me off but I'm over it and I got other shit to do.

I hate when books aimed at women try to pander to the basic bitch set of their audience. We decided to pamper ourselves that night so we painted our nails, drunk one too many glasses of champagne and watched grease together. Shut up. Are there really adults who meet up to paint their nails?

No. 140970

I think I have an example for you

No. 140972

A female character uses a lesbian character for "experiment" and "finding herself" and the lesbian character has hope for a real relationship, but of course the female character always goes back to dating males and only creates serious relationships with males during the course of a show/movie.
Honestly I've never seen gay men being used like that, male characters "unsure" of their sexuality testing it with gay men and then breaking their hearts. It's always lesbians.

No. 140973

I'm not sure it's a good example, since it's toyed with, as Yusuke noticed "her" padding was off and realized "she" was a "he" and felt him up before kicking him around.

No. 140982

Isn't it a thing happening irl? LMFAO

No. 141264

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Not sure if this counts as a trope since it's unintentional a lot of the time, but I hate when child characters act wayyy out of their age range. Children written like adults is the most common, where the writers apparently can't tell the difference between a smart child and an actual adult. Like, to some extent I get that 'wise beyond their years' characters can exist, but even if it's a fairly mature kid they aren't going to be this noble and self-sacrificing. Media that's actually aimed at kids mostly gets this right, but with older target audiences smart or wise kids are almost never realistic.

It can definitely go the other way too, with ~10 year old kids acting like they're 6. This one I mostly chalk up to the writers never being around any actual children of that age. They just don't get how stupid it is to see a kid that looks like he should be crudely drawing dicks on dusty cars with his friends and instead he's enthousiastically playing hide and seek and hiding behind a too thin tree.
One character that really bothers me because of this is Kaylee, the granddaughter of Mike in Better Call Saul (and BB I guess). It's this 11 year old girl whose favorite pastime is getting pushed on the swings by her grandpa at the playground and whose entire vocabulary consists of 'yay', 'ice cream' and 'pop-pop'. Like jesus, 11-12 is the age of being obsessed with Harry Potter books and getting crushes on boys and stuff, not giggling like a toddler because your pop-pop is giving you a piggyback ride. She legitimately comes across as mentally retarded and it's really off-putting to look at imo.

No. 141282

>Children written like adults is the most common, where the writers apparently can't tell the difference between a smart child and an actual adult. Like, to some extent I get that 'wise beyond their years' characters can exist, but even if it's a fairly mature kid they aren't going to be this noble and self-sacrificing.
You reminded me of that awful Christian glurge series of supposedly non-fiction novels about a guy meeting a 6 years old (or 10 at tops) waif who is so smart and knows God and loves the man so much. It was actually called 'Mister God, This is Anna':
>Anna, the found child, is an instinctive theologian with a boundless curiosity for physics, biology and mathematics. Much of the book describes her ad hoc science experiments involving magic lanterns, slide rules, voltmeters, revolving paddles in bathtubs and belts with buzzers riveted to them. Fynn portrays himself as a perpetually foxed comic foil to Anna’s pint-sized Socrates. She asks many questions, rejecting his conventional answers and drawing them toward a fuller sense of God’s nature.
>One character that really bothers me because of this is Kaylee, the granddaughter of Mike in Better Call Saul (and BB I guess)
Yeah, Kaylee makes zero sense. I assume she's as old as the plot needs at the moment, regardless of the actress' age or lore (?)

No. 141283

>have a tight knit friend group
>whoops person a & person b have feelings for each other
>this needs to be kept a secret for some reason & becomes the main source of conflict until the relationship is revealed

No. 141318

Cheating as a very common plot device for when the writers want to have The Drama
>long running mutual pinning
>characters finally get together
>no more tension, what to do?? Ah yes they should cheat

>characters in an established loving relationship from the start
>all the other plots start to get boring
>destroy that established relationship with cheating, people love drama!!

Once you start paying attention you realize how much cheating is there in fiction, it's crazy. Might be my own relationship trauma speaking, but I feel like in a way it's romanticizes and normalizes real life cheating because we're growing up watching these stories constantly which kinda may make people think that this is "normal" or even "hot

No. 141319

I feel this immensely, it really does seem like a lot of people's perception of infidelity has been irrevocably warped by fiction, especially erotica.

No. 141439

Related to this I really hate "misunderstanding" as a trope.
>Characters have been pining for the longest time
>They're finally getting together
>The other character overhears an out of context discussion and thinks the other one doesn't actually love them
>Drama ensues
It's such a lazy, time-wasting way to write cheap conflict. Why did you need to take this weird detour just to drag the story on longer? We know they're going to clear up the misunderstanding and end up together so what's the point?

No. 141511

i know, i can't believe the praise captain marvel got when there is literally a SASSY BLACK WOMAN BFF

No. 141513

ramona isn't really "manic" or even fun though, she's kind of a douche i thought?

No. 141515

dude i know. i get people want to be "woke" but isn't forcing black people to only be in movies about civil rights still kind of racist?

No. 141582

Was gonna post this one. The problem here is they want cheap drama, like you said, but having a couple face an external threat would involve actual thinking in the writing, and why do that when you can make the drama cheap and internal instead?

Also, I don't know if its a trope, but that thing I used to see all the time in HBO shows. Male character and female character look at one another. Show them fucking a few minutes later.

No. 142040

I dislike that so many manga and anime exist where a guy becomes a stepdad or guardian to a girl and eventually screws or had a relationship with them when they’re an adult. This isn’t even exclusive to series written by men, I’ve seen male and female authors do it.

A lot of family manga in general tend to revolve around guys and daughters, the mom’s always dead or gone.

No. 142041

Most annoying josei trope
>I'm 30 and still not married, abloobloo
>All my friends got married when they were literally 12 and I'm the last one!
>Everyone calling the character too old and making a massive deal of her age
>Plot takes place in modern-day Japan where a lot of women are, in fact, unmarried at 30
>MC's love interest is a lot younger than her for some reason, or literally in high school
>People literally won't shut up about her being 'so old'
>Somehow, despite everything, everyone is okay with a thirty year old woman fucking a schoolboy
What the fuck

No. 142044

Almost always male character

>Character does a lot of horrific shit like sadistic torture, killing children, genocide, etc. for much of the story.

>But wait it's eventually revealed that they had a terrible abusive past and the implication is (usually) that their behaviour was an inevitable consequence

Part of the trauma makes you evil trope

No. 142045

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>the mean girl dressed like a bimbo
I wish we would get more highly fashionable MCs who are heavily into makeup and who aren't school "mean girls".
I'm so tired of main characters dressed like shit and who are quirky and relatable, but I guess you can blame the early 2000's teen movies for that. It's not even realistic, because I'm sorry but women bullies are most of the time uggos dressed like chavs. Can't we get a pink & sparkly woman as mc who's nice and intelligent for once?

No. 142047

>I'm sorry but women bullies are most of the time uggos dressed like chavs

says who? my idea of it are chicks on their iphone 10 in leggins and a tee or on the toilet just bored.

elle woods did it tho, she was peak stacie but she achieve a lot of cool shit. >>142045

No. 142048

>chicks on their iphone 10 in leggins and a tee
isn't that just the 2015 version of 2009 chavs?

No. 142054

This is Genji monogatari's fault

No. 142056

>This is Genji monogatari's fault
Do you have any source on that or did you come to the conclusion yourself?

No. 142057

Lol anon it's just a joke, since it's the most important japanese poem, written by a woman, and the protagonist basically grooms a young girl and then gets with her when she grows up (he is a manwhore and actually his first lover is the wife of his dad who looks like his dead mom so it's all messed up). Idk if it's /really/ due to that

No. 142060

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I'm not surprised this shit was written by a woman, this looks like a typical melodramatic shojo manga with your typical slutty bad boy main character, incest fetish undertones and shitty love triangles lol.

No. 142089

A subtrope of this, ridiculously prominent in shoujo and fanfiction:
Female protagonist is a girl from a poor/middle class family, with no other traits than being nice, naive and kinda pretty. She's as average as possible, in fantasy setting she may have some stupid power like "the heart" or whatever makes her "special" (but she still has to be saved by everyone). Meanwhile her love interest is the school prince from a rich/aristocratic family, who plays the piano like a master, speaks several languages, can recite poetry at a drop of a hat and is always insufferably cool. Or at least he's the bad boy school rebel, who's still insufferably cool and may be secretly rich. For some reason he falls in love with the dumb protagonist, who constantly gushes over his looks, money, status and talents. He may also be a tortured genius for one reason or another, and she heals him with her tender heart.

It always pissed me off, because I wanted the girls to be better educated, worldly and more impressive than guys. My personal theory about the rise of villainess isekai is that people got tired of the average high school student protagonist in shoujo and this is the result, albeit I find the isekai excuse retardedly contrived.

Not a trope, but I hate Batfamily. Aside from Batman as a concept being dumb, him introducing other people to vigilantism makes him look even more like a douchebag moron, considering how badly it often ends. Batman Beyond was actually good in deconstructing the entire concept: years later Bruce is a lonely bitter old man, Tim Drake got fucked over, Dick Grayson broke off completely, Barbara is pretty antagonistic, and nobody trusts Bruce due to him being manipulative dick.

No. 142092

I thought the villainess shit was mainstreaming of femdom-lite content

No. 142095

I hate this 'mean popular girl' trope because they're always super feminine, like pink clothes and glamorous and confident. It's like when a woman owns her femininity, it's a crime, and she's supposed to want to be like a guy. And there's nothing wrong with girls who like to dress down and play sports etc, but it's really 2 dimensional and unfair the way it's shown in movies.

Most of all, I hate the way women in horror movies are shown. The camera shots are often from above and make her look like prey, and kind of treat her like half of a human. Just no personality, but something stupid and there to be looked at and hunted. I hate it and it's dehumanising. But I know there's going to be better horror soon, and maybe we're leaving these tropes behind now.

No. 142106

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Depends, when written by men it's usually their boner for femdom. Some mangaka have literally said so explicitly out loud, lol. Picrel.

No. 142226

Ughh I'm getting Usagi Drop flashbacks

Fuck this trope

No. 142390

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tomboy gf, even worse when they slap on giant tits and ass because why bother being subtle these days?

Depicted as "one of the boys" or at least the only girl that actually "gets" generic male protagonist-chan. Towards him they act like an innocent tsundere princess virgin or dommy mommy hooker depending on the creator, either way they'll have the skills of an experienced porn star. The creator put in the most cliche way they can have tomboy gf scream "I'm NOT like the other girls" with their looks. Typically with a $2 short hair cut and at least one article of oversized "male" clothing. If they do put on something like a dress they "n-never wore this girly stuff before" and make a deal out of it just for generic guy-chan.

You can tell that the guys who obsess over this trope think they're open minded for being "different" than the usual guys who like the same exact traits but with longer hair and clothes that actually fit them properly as the only difference.

No. 142402

I agree, it's obnoxious. You can't call a girl a tomboy and give her a hentai body + hentai mannerisms. I wish they'd make tomboys show their vulnerability in other ways instead of shit to do with men/appealing to the male gaze. It's not cute or endearing, just makes them seem pathetic instead.

No. 142405

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Perfect wife/female lover that only exists to fix their angsty and/or cynical male love interest to be decent people. Using these characters as a visual example because after finishing season 4 of Castlevania it's really prominent how shallow the studio writers write their female characters who also get to live in the end.

Their traits are usually defined by:
>Either weaker or at the same level in combat and/or skills as their male love interest
>Isn't considered a "weak" female character because she can actually banter and occasionally throw some lukewarm sass
>Has at least one scene near the beginning where she's actively helping the people around them to emphasis how nice and compassionate they are
>No emotional baggage or notable personal issues they need to work on (only men are allowed to have that, duh)
>No character development, she's pretty much the exact same person from the beginning to the end
>Acknowledges and fixes the flaws of her male love interest mostly through being his personal therapist which she does so flawlessly
>At worst she'd give a "serious" lecture maybe even with finger pointing but forgives him no matter how messed up the guy is
>Male love interest could literally be a violent, anti-social murderer and writers make it out to be something that the female love interest will happily fix or at least overlook

No. 142407


Just realized this current surge of "tomboy waifus" is basically the anime cool girl trope. But usually with extra tits. You'll rarely see tomboy waifus with a boyish figure cuz scrotes has to overcompensate the "maleness" with what they view as "femaleness" (tits and ass)

No. 142413

God yes, I like Sypha but that trope was so blatant and annoying.

No. 142416

it's so popular in us comics i hate it so much… Warren Ellis was writing comic as well no suprise…

No. 144501

I really hate the trope where a man (usually an older man) is a perfect husband, super faithful to his wife, who is an evil cold bitch and cheats on him, usually so he can leave her and end up with someone half his age.

this is obviously done to justify him being with someone much younger, so the audience has to feel bad for him. I can't think of anything this has been in besides the 1994 movie wolf with jack nicholson, but I know I've seen it elsewhere.

No. 144505

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I see a lot of shit tropes that piss me off in horror medias (mainly movies and video games);

>When a pet is needlessly killed and its death is used as an emotional spookiness

I hate it, it's so fucking lame. The only time it worked was with the dog from I'am Legend, because the dog was actually a fully dvp character.

>"Wowee, it all happened in their heads all along!1!1"

A trope that became old real quick and became synonymous with lazy writting, it's the basis for every predictable plot twists in video games and horror psychological movies.

this one is the worst one and only applies to horror video games, especially indie ones
>The father (MC that we play as) killed his entire family and killed himself afterwards. We play through limbo him finding out what he did
It's in so many indie horror games and I'm tired of playing as a piece of shit reading through a bunch of notes around his hq residential house asset

No. 144550

Any examples? I've honestly never heard of this before

No. 144553

Dunno, it only made me remember Rebecca, where the "suspicious" husband turns out to be justified in killing his age-appropriate wife, who takes over his life, bewitches everyone and then cheats on him and gives a maniacal speech about cucking him, how the children won't be his and how he can do nothing against it, which leads to him murdering her out of desperation. Although it's not really a straight example of the trope, and at least is treated like the main mystery, not just a throwaway detail or plotline.

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I hate the slutty girl who has a stacking body count who’s a complete bitch and has no redeeming qualities yet somehow gets to end up happily married and with the bashful nice guy trope. You basically see this in every anime, especially shoujo, and it’s annoying as hell. Examples: Kuzu no Honkai, Panty and Stocking, Princess Jellyfish, etc. etc.

No. 144642

what's wrong with it? sounds potentially based

No. 144646

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Coomer detected.
Sure it’s totally gonna feel “based” when you catch all of the nasty STI’s she’s got crawling between her legs after fucking 1,000 guys before you. Are you really that fucking retarded that you’d want to marry a slut? Of all people?

No. 144647

moid or tradthot?

No. 144648

What's wrong with birth control? People use it for many reasons
Also, that reasoning sounds scroteish
>all of the nasty STI’s she’s got crawling between her legs
Yeah… no

No. 144651

>Sure it’s totally gonna feel “based” when you catch all of the nasty STI’s she’s got crawling between her legs after fucking 1,000 guys before you. Are you really that fucking retarded that you’d want to marry a slut?
The other anons are right. You absolutely sound like a scrote because you are 100% speaking from a male POV.
>Oh no! As a scrote, I may catch STDs from this girl whoring around like I wish I could! I would NEVER marry a slut, I want a pure virgin waifu uwu

No. 144659

Seeing a rogue scrote on lolcow is so weird, like where did you come from? Go back home

No. 144665

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No. 144669

you will lose your virginity to a sad, racist man with a receding hair line you met on discord and kill yourself before you turn 30

No. 144674

Like I said, the only movie off the top of my head I can think of is Wolf with Jack Nicholson. But like the other anon said, Rebecca is sort of like that. Goddamn I hated that book, for multiple reasons.

No. 144688

>you will lose your virginity to a sad, racist man with a receding hair line you met on discord and kill yourself before you turn 30
nta but jesus christ I feel seen and put on the spot KEK

No. 144695

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I showed this to my virgin fiancee and you admittedly gave him quite a laugh. Last time I checked he has a full head of hair and isn't "racist" in the slightest, considering we're an interracial relationship.
So enjoy your trash media of whores getting their Disney princess fairytale happy ending. That's the closest that you'll ever get to experiencing what it is like to even have a guy who's attention you can get without you having to be spread-eagled on his cumstained bed for him.
Enjoy your Tinder hookup who, after he's done fucking you, tells you that he can stay for an hour and a half at your house to watch a Netflix movie, only to suddenly hear a text message buzz from his phone and that makes him suddenly have to leave, yet convinces you that it's just "for work". But it's really just him meeting up with another girl he finds more interesting and easier to hook up with.
Enjoy being married to a 3-time divorcee who drinks like a fish and is a closet hebephiliac because he remains emotionally scarred by the babysitter who raped him when he was 14 and can't down enough liquor to help him cope with his baggage.
Enjoy your fiction because that's the only semblance of happiness that you're ever going to get in your miserable lives, you worthless whores.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 144699

KEK no one cares, sperg
go jerk off more to jailbait on /b/

No. 144702

You really wrote an entire fanfic because of those replies lmao.

No. 144703

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>I showed this to my virgin fiancee and you admittedly gave him quite a laugh. Last time I checked he has a full head of hair and isn't "racist" in the slightest, considering we're an interracial relationship.
>So enjoy your trash media of whores getting their Disney princess fairytale happy ending. That's the closest that you'll ever get to experiencing what it is like to even have a guy who's attention you can get without you having to be spread-eagled on his cumstained bed for him.
>Enjoy your Tinder hookup who, after he's done fucking you, tells you that he can stay for an hour and a half at your house to watch a Netflix movie, only to suddenly hear a text message buzz from his phone and that makes him suddenly have to leave, yet convinces you that it's just "for work".
>But it's really just him meeting up with another girl he finds more interesting and easier to hook up with.
>Enjoy being married to a 3-time divorcee who drinks like a fish and is a closet hebephiliac because he remains emotionally scarred by the babysitter who raped him when he was 14 and can't down enough liquor to help him cope with his baggage.
>Enjoy your fiction because that's the only semblance of happiness that you're ever going to get in your miserable lives, you worthless whores.

No. 144704

not reading all that shit. daily reminder that your fake boyfriendo will cheat on you the second he finds a different underage girl on your level of retardation. probably already has.

No. 144706

This is autistic but I hate this-
"Susie's daughter goes missing, she calls her husband,David, who tells her that their daughter had died in a car crash. Susie KNOWS that's not the truth, she has flashbacks to the other day when her and their daughter, Jill were playing with dolls. She keeps seeing shit that reminds her that Jill is in fact NOT dead,she's remembering moments they had. Her husband keeps insuring her that Jill is really dead and Susie was harmed in the crash as well, causing her to have memory issues.

David tells her that every few months she has a mental breakdown where she refuses to believe Jill had died. Susie does not believe him.
Susie's on her way to the police station to report her daughter missing. She sees a little girl with blonde hair and a shirt her daughter has from the back, Susie jumps out the car runs towards the girl hugging her, the girl screams and it's not Jill.
Susie breaks down in the street and still ends up at the police station but because she had gotten arrested. Her husband picks her up and provides proof of Jill's death FINALLY.
Susie breaks down and starts to accept it. She starts going to a therapist who explains in details what had happened.Jill is convinced and wants to move on.
About a week later, she finds a picture or some shit that Jill drew, what she found is 100% proof that Jill had not died and there's no way it can be explained away. She knows Jill isn't dead and something is off.
Eventually,Susie finds out her husband is evil and sold their daughter off because he owed some rich and powerful people money. Evil husband David's best friend, John is the only one who believes Susie when she breaks it down. Of course, John is handsome and single.

David goes missing, Susie breaks numerous laws/harms innocent people and gets arrested and breaks out of jail, by knocking out a police officer with a chair or something, stealing her outfit and gun. She's fighting to save her daughter & doesn't tell ANYONE else what is going on. She has to do this herself, with the help of John. No other options. NONE.
Susie learns that an absurd amount of people were in on lying to her about Jill, She kills/seriously harms multiple people with Good Man John to save Sally. Then, when Jill is safe, they flash forward to Susie in a beautiful kitchen cutting carrots. Jill runs into the room asking if she could play outside longer before dinner.
Susie says no, Jill begins to whine and then Good Man David comes in and is like, "Come on baby, just 5 more minutes" kissing her on the neck.
Jill turns around, revealing she's pregnant with David's baby."

I hate every single trope i just wrote. I've watched movies with all of these tropes or some of the; I think I've watched maybe 20 lifetime movies with this same exact plot.

No. 144707

nona reading this makes me want to curl up, they're all painful and i appreciate your effort

No. 144708

i hate that im jealous of that guy's neat decoration skills. would

No. 144800

having a panic attack because im using the exact same desk as that fat scrote

No. 144972

Abusive dad redemption arc. Absolutely intolerable. Often they aren't just your bog standard neglectful or absent bad father either but actual torturous borderline psychopathic monsters who terrorized their kids and wives for years- causing permanent trauma. Oh, but eventually they reflect and feel so so bad and want to make amends and change. And his victims and other characters forgive him and the author really really wants the reader to as well.

I would feel the same way about abusive mother redemption storylines but those are much more rare. I had basically 0 interest in BNHA already but when I heard how prominently this features in the manga and anime I was repulsed and disgusted. I hate abusive/misogynist male characters getting redemption arcs. So lame. They're shit. Stop trying to force me to like them.

No. 144981

Something that frustates me to no end in those arcs is how the child is in the wrong if they don't want to forgive their parents, and are being cruel and imature by not wanting to deal with their pos parents.
Like, being an abusive (physically and emotionally, sometimes even sexually) parent is forgivable, but a child telling their parent to fuck off is over the line? Bitch, fix your fucking moral compass because that shit is spinning more than a yo-yo.

No. 144982

Yes, that makes my blood boil. Somehow the kid is stunted and immature or selfish or something if they say fuck off and want nothing to do with the Dad or get really angry. Like "Can't you see they've changed? Can't you see they have a good side?" After years of being terrorized and held prisoner in their own home. I hate that the characters who jump to forgive everyone who wrongs them (and everyone around them) are considered more morally enlightened and pure.

>Bitch, fix your fucking moral compass because that shit is spinning more than a yo-yo.

Exactly. The fuck?

No. 144984

Adding onto that
>I'm 30 and dedicated a good portion of my life to my career
>you should be a housewife mc-chan
>god mc-chan if you don't settle down RIGHT FUCKING NOW you're gonna die alone
>MC-chan is perfectly happy with her job and has 0 problems with this fact
>bishie co worker or boss enters her life and suddenly mc-chan gives a shit about both her age and the fact that she's a career woman

I also despise the mc trope where being "kind" is a substitute for a personality.

No. 144985

That actually sounds somewhat based, like 30 year old women should have young 19 year old lovers

No. 145028

Unforgivable crime that actually turns out to have been justified and even "right" from a certain POV.
The best example (and one that has stayed with me for over 10 years, sadly) is from The Inquisitor Cycle - a Polish fantasy novel series that's basically a Witcher rip-off, but badly written and even more sexist (see https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheInquisitorCycle for details). In one of the stories, there is a scene of a Friendzoned Nice Guy brutally raping a girl he's been in love with forever. To make things worse, the POV protagonist says
>Don't get me wrong, rape is a constant in our miserable times and besides, it's not like women have that body part made out of soap so that they cannot service many men. Still, in this one case I felt kinda bad for the girl because she was so uwu horrified and the guy was fucking her so aggressively
Well, it turns out that the rapist was 'right' because if he hadn't raped the girl, she would be raped/murdered/sacrificed/whatever by some powerful guy. I was a dumb teen when I've read this shit, but I noticed the misogyny in the whole book (OF COURSE the protagonist's best friend is a brothel madame who offers him discounts or free fucks). I was confused by the justified rape plot twist cause I felt that if it was right why did it still feel wrong to me as a reader? As an adult women, I see that the whole plot was an excuse to put rape in that godforsaken book… plus, if sex was the only solution, why did the scrote not talk it out with the girl? Why didn't they look for a different solution? I may have forgotten some plot points, but it doesn't matter since the author still decided to write the story so that the rapist turned out to be a supposedly good person.
I feel like this type of a plot twist may have a name, but I couldn't find it on Tv Tropes.

No. 145037

This kinda reminds me of when Stephen King blasted Stanley Kubrick about how he changed Jack's character in The Shining, saying how he missed the point and that he was actually trying to be a better person and father/husband and redeem himself through the story, but I think Kubrick saw right through that and pretty much gave no excuses for Jack's behaviour in the movie. I read an interesting comment recently, actually, about how the book version of Jack shows the perspective of an abusive father trying to excuse and whitewash his actions, while the movie version shows the perspectives of his victims and how they deal with his abuse. I found that very interesting and accurate.

No. 145047

I thought I was alone in thinking that. I've always found it so insane that King defends his Jack and complains that the movie made Jack a bad and crazy person from the very start. Does he seriously not see how shitty of a person he is from the start? Like the entire reason he lost his teaching job was because he was fired for being a dick. He hates women due to thinking his mom was weak for taking his dads abuse. He had an affair and he broke his kids arm. I can get King being annoyed that his self insert didn't get his redemption arc in the movie. What I don't get is why he tries so hard to convince people the book version wasn't as terrible of a person at the start. Its also weird to me that King himself gets away with self inserting himself into every one of his books as an abusive asshole. Its creepy that he admits the character is based on him. The character is a misogynistic abusive asshole. Why does nobody think it's weird that King says the character was based on himself and that he stans the character and his precious redemption arc so hard?

No. 145049

This shit but also the trope where an evil abusive pos mother is either just "uwu quirky mom" or being possessed/mind controlled/whatever because god forbid we show abusive mothers in media and how awful that can be to have. At least abusive fathers are cut out 50% of the time, abusive moms get forgiveness in media almost every time.

No. 145064

This reminded me of a trope I hate that's sort of similar where it's basically trying to force the reader to sympathize with someone monstrous.

>Character A is introduced as the lowest of the low, e.g. a serial pedophile, a wife beater, etc.
>Main character hates them, as is normal
>Enter some convoluted plot contrivance to justify Character A's crimes and actually their victims are the real evil ones OR a woman is somehow to blame for goading Character A to committing these atrocities

Some examples I can think of off the top of my head are
>The cult leader child rapist in 1Q84 (the victims are actually magic fairies or some bs and they actually rape the poor paralyzed old man)
>Allie's foster father in The Power by Naomi Alderman, another pedophile and rapist (it turns out his wife is actually the one who tells him to rape Allie, and she is the true evil one! #notallmen)
>Ben in Dark Places by Gillian Flynn is a pedophile as well (but he actually never molested any girls! Except for one little girl who he just masturbated over, who becomes a stripper anyway so whatever right)
>Alistair in Woman in the Window (movie) beats his wife and son (but his "wife" is actually his meth addict ex tormenting him, and his son is actually a psychopath who can't stop killing, so he beats them because he is trying to SAVE everyone!)

No. 145093

Based Kubrick

No. 145203

>abusive moms get forgiveness in media almost every time.


No. 145231

I hate when the creator will have a good character or protagonist go evil but they don't sell this transformation to the audience at all. There isn't adequate build up or they will try to simply retcon the character's past actions as somehow red flags or warning signs that they were always deranged when that's dubious at best. Usually they expect you to buy that a tragedy or loss is enough to make a compassionate person with strong morals become sadistic/genocidal/completely indifferent to the suffering of others or at least allies with people who are. I don't oppose "good guys" going bad or switching teams but they have to sell it to me. Obviously this descent into nihilism/madness/evil can be done well. But often I find it shoddy.

Notable exceptions are when a large chunk of the audience misreads a character as a good person who goes bad when they clearly weren't good from the beginning and those dark traits were carefully highlighted by the creator initially (thinking of Walter White).

No. 145234

All of these plot points are satanic.

>Surprise! The rapist/pedo/domestic abuser is actually a good guy or being forced to do it by a woman.

Shut up shut up shut up.

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Lusamine is the big recent example that stood out to me. "uwu big scawy pokemon drugs were making her abuse her children!" or "uwu big scawy men from other universes made her do it!" depending on the game and her kids just shrug it off and are like "uwu I hope she is a nice mom soon!" Contrast that with fucking Ghetsis who gets no narrative sympathy for being a piece of shit.

There was also that "comedy" Mom that justified the mother character destroying her child's life over and over again and pushing her into alcoholism because "uwu she had a hard life too, you can't cUt OfF yOuR mOm!", but I honestly don't know if that one got better because watching half an episode of that awful crap made me ill.

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i really don’t like the “it was all a cult/conspiracy” twist, you know, like they did in night in the woods or hereditary (that one was barely a twist but w/e) to give some examples. it’s so dumb and overdone. though admittedly it was kind of funny in hot fuzz.

No. 147368

Agreed, nitw had such a stupid plot twist. It would be much better if they kept it more realistic

No. 147637

idk if this is an actual trope, but just overall when kids or teens (most often girls) in media don't act/talk/behave even remotely age appropriate. i feel like this is in SO many books and movies and series, but the example that first comes to mind, because i recently just finished watching it, is sweet tooth on netflix.

so the main character who is a young boy (like 10-12 i don't remember) is acting very age-adequate from the beginning. just being a kid, dressig like a kid, emoting like a kid and overall being recognized by others as a child.

then this group of "bad ass" kids (age range like 12-16 maybe?) enter the story and all act like adults except they all have animal costumes sometimes and otherwise dress like e-girls, and they play VR shooting games in an arcade (which is also like? why do they have an arcade with pinball games and stuff? this just feels like pandering to men in their 30s who grew up with early video game culture instead of kids today who play minecraft on their ipads). one of these tweens become a central character in the story, and all throughout the rest of the show she is written just like an adult character, except physically she's a kid. she interacts almost flirtily with the adult man helping out the main kid gus, and together it's as if they act almost like his parents taking responsibility of him together, despite her being in the same age range as the other kid and not the adult. another example of this is rachel in 500 days of summer. also that drug dealer child in euphoria, like come on now. these characters are just being casted as kids for no good reason at all. and they don't even get the "it's actually a 50000 year old immortal demon vampire" excuse like they do in anime.

No. 147639

Just your everyday generic anime school girl, running late to school with a loaf of bread hanging on her mouth, clumsy, ass shots everywhere every damn minute she falls or runs into someone. Annoying and forced high pitched voice, love interest of the generic anime boy, and the forced cute personality.

Whenever i see anime that has this character i just click off, its only a waste of time.

No. 147641

god I hate this, there's also the reverse trope of this. a hot woman who is really naive and dumb like a kid, the "born yesterday" trope. I think there's even a youtube video about it.

No. 147657

the trope is called "born sexy yesterday", for anyone whos interested, here's the video about it

No. 147673

Honestly the main boy also acts like he's 5, not 10. He's written pretty badly imo, absolutely idiotic at times. And I don't accept the 'he was shelteted', his dad taught him to be scared of people, run, self preserve and hide. The boy is written like a toddler and it seems to me like he always magically lost half his IQ when the plot needed progressing.

No. 147686

speaking of this channel, anons opinions on this?
all I can keep thinking is that uhh these are written directed and perpetuated by men. their baseline is coombrain even when it comes to other men. jesus christ

No. 147701

I mean yeah, that happens all the time. But it's easy enough to suspend disbelief. Look at the mechanics of pen and paper RPGs. They employ the same storytelling mechanics: the protagonists and antagonists are special. So special, in fact, that their age becomes irrelevant and serves only as set dressing. This underlying concept is as old as storytelling itself. It can be bad, it can be good. It's simply filed under suspension of disbelief.

No. 147710

Men only used the 'male rape is considered a joke!!!' to one-up feminists. They don't actually care, or they would stop writing and directing so many movies/tv shows where men get raped as a punchline

No. 147719

I hate Shonen anime/manga. Idk how people can't see that fight scenes do not make a good anime. It's the same contrived plot over and over again where they fight some baddies but then the stakes are heightened every arc. Yes there is Shonen I watch like yu-gi-oh and Jojo.

Won't be long until Hollywood starts pumping out marvel like anime movies.

No. 147721

>I hate Shonen anime/manga. Idk how people can't see that fight scenes do not make a good anime. It's the same contrived plot over and over again where they fight some baddies but then the stakes are heightened every arc. Yes there is Shonen I watch like yu-gi-oh and Jojo.
>Won't be long until Hollywood starts pumping out marvel like anime movies.
Aren't they already doing this? Capeshit is shonenshit for normies that can't into anime

No. 147725

The fight scenes are the only good thing I like, otherwise, everything else is downright stupid half the time like the stakes getting dumber and dumber until you lose interest quick along with the coombrained fan pandering fanservice.

No. 147812

This is such an ancient trope for Japanese literature, though (and Chinese literature, too). There's always a protagonist, and with his traveling companions, they have to challenge the lord of a castle of something. But first, they have to defeat the lord's generals and armies. Sailor Moon did that, hell, there was a violent dog manga from the 70's called "Silver Fang -The Shooting Star Gin-" that did that, too (with bear generals).

No. 147813

I wonder if we'll ever have a male director who was abused as a kid. I'd like to see how he would respond to this drivel. It feels like men can be so close-minded as to the suffering of other men when they were boys.

No. 147815

Fight scenes can be both the worst and the best part of a series. One with a tonne of build up, a plot twist, an underdog finally rising up, an emotional climax, revealing a new skill, etc etc… that's some chefs kiss shit, it can be really impactful and hype. But too many average fight scenes and I'm just bored, fighting for the sake of fighting is something only a scrote could enjoy.

No. 147827

>Fight scenes can be both the worst and the best part of a series. One with a tonne of build up, a plot twist, an underdog finally rising up, an emotional climax, revealing a new skill, etc etc
All of that sounds extremely boring and cliche to me, so I guess I'm just not an audience for any shonen ever

No. 147848

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Densetsu Weed and Silver Fang Gin are unironically superior to other shounen mangas don't shit on them nonnie kek

No. 148050

Same guys who complain male rape is a joke, also recommend Boku no Pico because its eks dee so funny to see little anime boys raped

No. 148071

Anytime an anime has a cute girl die, people automatically laud it as a masterpiece tearjerker. Bonus points if the death just comes out of nowhere and serves no purpose but to make the audience sad and fake emotional depth.

No. 148081

>Jun Maeda is typing

No. 151546

Fake Deaths. Took several shows from 8 or 9/10 to 4/10 at best for me.

No. 151549

the long stare of two unknown opposite sex character during a talk that gives away the fact they're gonna end up together

No. 156328

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Trap characters
>"I'm actually a boy!"
>does gay things with male mc
>having little to no androgyny but just a drawn flat chest girl with Schrodinger's dick
>having the same uwu personality of being frail or optimistic with girly mannerisms
>having the slim slender feminine body figure sometimes with girl hips and thighs
>having a female voice
>purposely made for coomers to fap to

No. 156329

why did you post it in two threads

No. 156339

One thread could not contain her hatred for femboys obviously

No. 156380

Because traps and femboys are shit

No. 156382

>very intelligent character, usually detective/PI
>poor social skills, few friends autistic
>has one best friend who helps him with things he's bad at like romance/interacting with people
>usually some queerbaiting

Obviously this is from Sherlock Holmes but so many authors and writers have used this trope. It's been done to death. Wish they'd find a different dynamic.

No. 156407

No. 157265

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Because people were talking about this in Moo's thread and I was reminded of my profound hate: The current iteration of gyaru (and the random characters that get called gyaru for no reason). It's, at best, just a lame watered down version of what gyaru aesthetic. Why did stupid moids suddenly develop a a fetish for it a decade or more past its peak? Why are there even historical and fantasy manga getting tagged as gyaru?

No. 157266

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And the spineless male leads they are often paired with.

No. 157268

it sucks that any fashion movement that women participate for self-expression gets fetishized by scrotes eventually. gyaru was created to defy the yamato nadeshiko ideal by doing the exact opposite but now it's just another sexualized trope for coombrain otakus. fuck them.

No. 157270

As if a gyaru girl would talk to a nerd loser

No. 157273

It’s part of the degradation fetish, moids want women to lower themselves to the point of actually talking to them.

No. 157282

Isn't that the reverse though? Isn't it about how these guys want to be humiliated as much as possible by confident, attractive women because they know they're shit? Anyway, I don't get what all of this has to do with gyaru fashion.

No. 157329

i think gyaru has always been a popular hentai trope even through the years that the fashion wasnt relevant at all. i guess cause the stereotype of gyaru being like "slutty party girls". also just guys that are into like tanned skin and blonds.

No. 157344

As someone who was really into gyaru when it was still a thing I agree, it feels like they're obsessed with gyarus because they're portrayed as slutty mommydom street girls who bully their pathetic nerd asses by constantly giving them attention. Which couldn't be farther from the truth since most gyarus were based and couldn't care less about being a beta male bangmaid but you know, men need to fetishize every inch of any female thing and turn every female-specific interest into somehow being dedicated to male cooming.

I don't know, it seems to be more about
>How do you like this, Incel-kun? I'm a beautiful, popular girl who's lowering herself to your level and accepting your disgusting dick because deep down I find you being absolutely pathetic adorable instead of thinking you're gross like I would in real life, tee hee!

No. 157367

> 90-120 pound woman who beats men twice her size in combat
this so much, in so many media the ‚strong female protagonist‘ looks weak af, when in reality if she would be a seasoned fighter capable of taking out a stronger oppenent she would look fit with some muscle definition at least. You’re very likely not gonna hit anything or even hold a weapon properly with those spaghetti arms. Those are almost always lazy Mary Sue designs.

No. 157672

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Not sure if this counts but
>Male non human character still gets the girl at the end of movie (shape of water, megamind, beauty and the beast, etc)
>Female non human character self sacrifices her love so that the male love interest can end up with a different woman and then dies sad and alone (little mermaid book, corpse bride, etc)

Genuine question is there a single book with an reversed beauty and the beast where the girl actually doesn't die and gets to be happy? Closest thing I can think of is Shrek, which barely counts since they both fall into the 'beast' category at the end, I guess little mermaid disney movie which also barely counts because she turns human at the end and like, if you really want to stretch the definition MAYBE howl's moving castle? Even then all of these end with the protagonist being beautiful at the end with the exception of Shrek.

No. 157678

I don't know honestly, but your post made me think of Lord of the Rings, and how Arwen had to give up being immortal to be with Aragorn. In the extended Tolkien universe that happens more times like with Beren and Luthien or Lothiriel and Eomer and there are probably more. And it's always a female elf giving up immortality to be with a male human. It always made me mildly salty that there were no male elf/human female pairings. I mean, that might exist somewhere in Tolkien's works, but if it does I'm unaware of it as I haven't read all of his works (and probably never will because there's a LOT). A girl just wants to dream of having a beautiful elf prince husband.

>Even then all of these end with the protagonist being beautiful at the end

I mean yeah but at least in Beauty and the Beast the prince became beautiful at the end, at least in the Disney one. I'm guessing that didn't happen in the other two you mentioned but I've never seen them.

No. 157707

Oh my God, don't remind me of The Corpse Bride! I was so fucking mad that Victor chose Victoria (aka the plain, boring character) instead of gorgeous and fascinating Emily. I am still seething when I think about it. Especially since Emily not only had a broken heart, but she got fucking murdered by her fiance. She deserved a happy end! Fuck that shit. Victoria didn't even want to marry Victor (understandable, bit him getting with Emily would be a better story than an arranged marriage working out in the end).
>Genuine question is there a single book with an reversed beauty and the beast where the girl actually doesn't die and gets to be happy?
I know you asked about book, but the sad thing is that it probably only happens in ecchi manga/anime, because Japanese scrotes are into monster girls

No. 157718

>Lothiriel and Eomer
?? Lothiriel wasn't immortal in the first place?
IIRC Tuor (human) became immortal to be with his wife Idril (elf)
> It always made me mildly salty that there were no male elf/human female pairings.
Aegnor and Andreth, though Aegnor went to war and died and Andreth grew old before they could get married. So wasn't really a happy ending.

Sage for Tolkien sperging.

No. 157727

Ugly old man + forever beautiful female = normal but ugly old woman + forever beautiful male is a no go …

No. 157747

Right? I rewatched the movie yesterday since I hadn't seen it since I was like five and I genuinely felt so bad for her! You can tell that if the roles were reversed it would have ended with the dead person winning.
>but the sad thing is that it probably only happens in ecchi manga/anime, because Japanese scrotes are into monster girls
Even then it's pretty much the choice of shitty harem anime or literal shitty brothel anime.

No. 157753

>Lothiriel wasnt immortal in the first place

My bad, i thought Lothiriel was an elf for some reason. Not sure how I got that idea in my head but knowing she's human kind of makes me feel better.

>IIRC Tuor (human) became immortal to be with his wife Idril (elf)

Wait, why does the woman elf have to become mortal for a man, but when its genderswapped the man gets to become immortal? That seems unfair.

No. 157755

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>Right? I rewatched the movie yesterday since I hadn't seen it since I was like five and I genuinely felt so bad for her! You can tell that if the roles were reversed it would have ended with the dead person winning.
Corpse Bride really need a fix fic, or even a retelling in the style of Maleficent. I don't understand, how can you NOT make the most striking and iconic character of your story the winning love interest? Okay, maybe I would get it if the other option was almost as interesting… but Victoria is so bland.
>Even then it's pretty much the choice of shitty harem anime or literal shitty brothel anime.
You reminded me of pic related, a visual novel titled Love at First Sight. It's cute and non-sexualized. The cyclops girl is the only love interest, so of course she wins. The story targets scrotes tho, so it's not exactly what we want. I would love to see a female-targeted story about a monstergirl (or even better, a monsterwoman) getting the scrote of her dreams. I imagine the monstergirl to be sympathetic or strangely charming, but in the same way the creature from Shape of Water is. None of that 'big titty lamia gf' bullshit.

No. 157757

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>or even a retelling in the style of Maleficent
I read somewhere that they're doing a live action version of corpse bride (because they want to ride on the Disney live action remake coattails) hopefully they'll either a. let Emily win and not die miserably or b. give the human love interest an actual personality and not have it be an arranged marriage with them speaking twice.
At least they had the cute piano scene with Emily and Victor, Victoria wasn't even allowed to play the piano because they have to keep her as dull as possible at all times.
>The cyclops girl is the only love interest, so of course she wins. The story targets scrotes tho, so it's not exactly what we want.
Still better than anything I suppose, she is very cute but it brings up how even when there's a monster girl she's never really 'ugly' just has one off putting trait like bird wings or something just look at games like darkstalkers, every playable girl in it aside from Bulleta is a sexy monster or half monster girl.

I pretty genuinely believe that a role reversed version of shape of water won't happen for a looooong time basically.

No. 157772

I'm tempted to browse the entire Cute Monster Girl page on TvTropes to see if there are any stories about female monsters and male hunks, but it's too much lmfao

No. 157821

The more I grow up, the more I start to dislike hypersexualised stories set in High School (Riverdale, Pretty Little Liars). Would it really kill the creators to set the show in college?
I know it's fantasy and all, but the fixation on teenagers' sex life is weird when you think about it, considering this shows are supposedly for adults and don't approach sexuality from the perspective of exploration/discovery.
Also, 30-year-olds pretending to be 15 lol

No. 157834

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Yeah, I tried to rewatch 90210, it was just too ridiculous. I looked up the ages of the actors and the female actors of the teenagers were mostly 18-22 and the male actors were mostly at least 25. It seemed like there was too much sex and shit (and possibly drugs? I don't remember) going on in that show. I had no problem watching that show as a teen myself but as an adult it felt weird, even though everyone looked older. Not to mention the weird casting choices. The woman on the left in picrel is supposed to be the woman on the right's mother. I looked it up and there's only a 14 year age difference. So like, she could technically be her mom, but in the show the mom also had an even older daughter who legit looked as old as her (or older).

And Pretty Little Liars is even worse, even though I've never seen it, but I know of a certain thing that happens in it that makes me cringe.

Actually this did happen, in Highlander I think? But she dies of old age instead of him becoming mortal.

No. 157841

same, and I may be a pearl clutching prude but I hate that teenage shows show raunchy teenage sex scenes, played by adults, and everyone is acting as a complete slut all the time as the norm. And the argument for using adult actors is often "well we can't show actual teens/kids doing sex stuff, that would be wrong" but somehow pretending that they are kids makes it better and less wrong to want to see 16 year olds go at it like rabbits? Not to mention you then get "teenagers" with "adult bodies" which is also really gross when you think about it…

It's so refreshing when you see actual teens in movies and you realize how fucked up it would be for an adult to be into them.

No. 157851

I completely agree with this, was watching Euphoria and a whole chunk of the plot is about what a character did being considered child porn/underage nudes, but like, we (the viewer) saw it all too, so they're trying to act like it's all underage but then also showing us it?? …Creeps me out, why would I want to watch "canon cp

No. 160155

Maybe weird to fixate on, but just once I wanna read a romance manga that, when it's time for their first time and they have to have the talk, doesn't go "Tomoko-chan, I know you're scared, which is why I'll wait as long as you need me to!" – "Lamp-senpai… if it's with you, I'll be fine uwu" or similar and instead has Tomoko-chan making Lamp-senpai actually wait, because she just isn't ready yet and has to mentally prepare herself.

No. 160238

anon why did you have to use sungwon characters lmao

No. 160267

>Rejected love interest ends up in a rushed, undeveloped relationship as a consolation prize
>Traps. They make zero effort to make the character look androgynous, and it isn't funny
>Relationship dynamic is burdening one of the characters with the emotional baggage of the other one

No. 160279

Character hasn't actually done that bad thing we believed they did, it was all a misunderstanding. And I hate when horror movie characters have no personality and story, they only exist to be killed

No. 160378

I hate the trope of "slutty and less attractive best friend" who's only there to make the main girl (or sometimes male) look prettier and more innocent. I always thought it must be rough to always be cast for those roles.

No. 160559

i hate the tropes in fiction about eating disorders. it's always the same bullshit.
>mc is a generic teenage girl or 20 something woman but if she ever goes to a recovery program or a support group all the other patients there are an overly diverse mix of people to make mc stand out as the attractive one despite the unrealistic premise of it all
>mc somehow develops extreme anorexia from the most trivial hardships imaginable like divorced parents, moving houses/switching schools, fading friendships, being "invisible" among their peers, struggling with grades etc
>either that or they play sports/dance but never on a really highly professional level yet somehow there's soooo much pressure
>mc is "smart" and a special snowflake with deeply intellectual interests such as music and reading
>the disordered behaviours depicted are taken straight from proana tumblr posts
>parents always depicted as evil, selfish and neglectful despite trying their very hardest and being in constant emotional distress caused by the situation
>a concerned friend, love interest or sibling single-handedly motivates mc to get help but the desperation of their parents has zero effect
>all the doctors/psychiatrists/nurses/therapists are depicted as uninterested and lazy or otherwise severly lacking in competence
>insert the magic pixie not-like-the-other-professionals who can see right through mc's façade and is a misunderstood asocial galaxybrain just like mc which instantly cures them

No. 160589

I hate the "tough girl" trope. The one where the girl has short hair with bangs to the side, is super tough and masculine, rolls her eyes at feminine things, etc.
I find them way worse than the overly feminine pink loving stereotypical characters, at least those embrace femininty without being ashamed

No. 162049

I don't like it on principle that there trying to be subversive but failing at it.

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No. 162080

I don't think I've ever seen that trope, at least recently, but I have to disagree. I wish we had more GNC characters. It seems like female characters have to be super sexy and feminine and be a boss bitch who can beat men in combat. It's ridiculous.

No. 162117

Oh no, these characters are definitely still sexualized just with the traits of having short hair and looking down on other women and feminine stuff. If they were actually just gnc I'd be down.

No. 162306

Same here to be honest, I'm a feminine woman but I don't mind female characters acting gruff if there still compelling and aren't just a scrote with tits in terms of behavior

No. 162312

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I posted this in another thread, I hate it when they cast 90 pound actresses with no muscle tone as female action heroes and them knocking out giant 200 pound adult men with a single punch
Is it that hard to cast an actually physically built woman for a role, like Christ they cast Ruby Rose as Batwoman, whose supposed to have the physique of an Olympian athlete and they cast a woman who looks like a small breeze could knock her down

Gina Carano is probably the only actress in years who actually looks the part of her badass female character

No. 162333

that's a NLOG, and I don't think anybody likes them.

No. 162387

I hate when writers make NLOGs becuase theyre always either goths, tomboys, or prudish wallflowers that only exist to pick fights with the pretty and popular characters becuase being girly and liking pink is a crime

Whenever I see people who talk about how much they love characters like Sam Manson, I immediately know they most likely had a NLOG phase or are still in it

No. 162389

Hate when female characters are supposed to be the strongest ever, but they're pretty much only powerful in theory since the writers never do anything for them whether its fights or actual storylines

Feels like writers went "Okay, thats enough activism for one day" and people eat that shit up anyways

No. 162629

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I'm so fucking sick of self-insert MCs whose only character trait is being nice (aka spineless), worse yet when they are " uwaaa I'm a socially autist with no friends, feel sorry for me

No. 162636

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Picrel is the only example of the trope that I enjoy tremendously

No. 169332

Please, just spend a single night with me, and I'll leave you alone! uwu" from her, who is so desperately in love with him, and his dick. Ideally, she's gone the next morning because she knows their love is wrong. Does this actually ever happen in real life? Screams wish fulfillment lmao.

No. 169333

All female school suddendly accepting male students, and not only there's only between 5 or a just single guy on a huge school of hundreds of girls, the single guy on the whole school (Or at least 4 of the 5 guys on that whole school) is an open and shameless pervert.
Prision School did it okay tho

No. 169346

TBH, I still want this to happen to me…

No. 169350

I think more black women should take the Issa rae approach and just make their own content

No. 169353

true, they often come off as incest-y

No. 169355

You have legally Blond. Shut up

No. 169378

Ikr like the main character in legally blonde isn’t a bitch and is a pretty sweet character and fits the typical gaudy early 2000s pink aesthetic like we don’t always need a fucking girly bombshell, I swear some anons here aren’t adults and have shitty tastes like minors do

No. 169381

another character (though not main) is Lottie from Princess and the frog. I remember Tumblr spergs screeching that she was created to upstage Tiana and was successful at that lmfao

No. 169394

Unfortunately, most black women creators have to be slaves to twitter retards to get any attention so all non-political stories with black female protagonists have to have them be fat trans lesbians with hairy legs and hideous faces. No conventionally pretty black cis black women or they're falling into the patriarchy.

No. 169721

Are video essays a trope? I hate those.

No. 172472

I've been thinking about the woman in the fridge trope since yesterday's discussion about Punpun. Specifically, I'm wondering if it would be possible to flip it gender-wise without making the heroine look worse. I feel like if you make a dead scrote a female protagonist's motivation, it may seem like she's only doing things because of a scrote. "Of course a woman could not be a vigilante unless she's doing it for love". Maybe I'm wrong – the only examples of a dead scrote supporting heroine's arc that come to mind are Titanic and Wonder Woman. I'm not sure how they compare to typical dead woman trope.

No. 172477

I know a videogame called echo where the protagonist is a woman and her entire quest starts because she wants to bring a man back to life, but the man is not her lover, it's a man that rescued her. I guess, I don't have much to add, I just wanted to mention that game because it's very interesting. I don't think a heroine's motivation being a dead man makes her look stupid, at least I've never thought so, but I think what makes them stupid is - both male and female - when they have a dead lover and they justify all their actions "I'm doing this for my love uwu they would want it to be like this my love I love you still" even when the thing they are doing has no connection to the dead person, ok we understand you have no other character traits

No. 172478

Hard to say because I can't even think of anything with that reverse trope in it, though I feel like it has to exist

No. 172482

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Characters who are cute, young, have a girly exterior but an ~explosive temper~ or swear a lot just for the "shock". Picrel is worst example of it, no other defining qualities and she ruined the show.

No. 172541

What about the movies that I mentioned? Now that I think about it, Sion Siono's Suicide Club is a pure example of the trope. The death of protagonist's boyfriend kick-starts her investigation into mysterious suicides and eventually self development. The boyfriend is a no character AFAIR. Would recommend the movie, though it has some unsettling scenes (featuring unrealistic gore)

No. 302953

Yep, it's everywhere and it's annoying as hell. If female characters in media often get dehumanised (as in 'don't behave like humans') or treated as tropes, for children characters it's a 99% chance.

This is why I hate Irisviel from Fate/Zero so much.

No. 302990

Tomboy characters who wish/force themselves to become more feminine so their male crush can finally "treat them like a woman uwu".

No. 303377

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>Villain almost kill the MC
>"come back to me when you're stronger"
>MC get stronger and kills/beat the villain
>"I should've killed you when I had the chance to"


No. 303378

Or Tomboy characters that turn more feminine as soon as they "grow up". Old women can still have a tomboyish style/attitude!

No. 304884

Omg, anytime I rewatch Danny Phantom for nostalgia reasons, I have to zone out anytime Sam is on screen. I hate NLOG characters so much.

No. 304906

This has nothing to do with the topic of the thread but every time I look at it the OP, I get annoyed that the girl has two right feet in the third panel.

No. 304908

He sounds retarded but he's kinda cute.

No. 304912

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I hate the thread tbh. Its very obvious that its referencing the Hunger Games. I'm not going to say that the Hunger Games was perfect, but it has a weird cultural hatred against it just because teenage girls liked it. As a result, people almost deliberately misconstrue it. For example, Katniss is good at hunting because that is how she literally survives and provides for her family and It takes a moron to think that Peeta and Gale are similar in any way.

No. 304916

There are some things like twilight or hunger games that I think "this is kinda shit" but I don't feel like expressing it much anymore because the majority of people criticizing it will like media with the same flaws as long as it panders to moids instead.

No. 304920

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"Love redeems" has to be the worst trope of all time. Its shit when its a woman suddenly handwaving all the faults of her abusive love interest, but I also hate it in abusive family contexts too. Its always saddling the protagonist with the emotional responsibility of some autistic selfish fuck that treats the protagonist like shit and shows no remorse until they get everyhing they want

No. 304926

As someone who is really into vampire stuff, I actually like Stephanie Meyer's vampires. She stated that she had never read or watched anything about vampires, and wrote her vampires from a completely blind perspective, which I and lot of people found interesting.

No. 304982

I hate it too but for other reasons lol

No. 305211

Sam is a not a well written character but girly girls have more than their share of characters. For god’s sake, you have Barbie. What does that say about a society if she is western media’s favorite archetype for a female character?

No. 305451

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Not a trope but its a fandom trend that I have come to despise.

No. 305457

Barbie has multiple careers and is a self-made woman, Sam Manson spends most of the show shaming women like Barbie.

I will not stand for Barbie slander.

No. 305461

>She stated that she had never read or watched anything about vampires, and wrote her vampires from a completely blind perspective, which I and lot of people found interesting.
while I never got into twilight I do like it's take on vampires. It got alot of slack back then because "vampires don't sparkle in the sun" but that is an aspect I find interesting. There are many vampire-esque folklore creatures that don't die when sunlight touches them and I hate that it has become a pop culture staple in vampire media. The sparkle thing is a cool way to pay homage to the "dies in the sun" thing while not nerfing them
anime does this alot. Usually it's to yuri or yaoibait

No. 305462

Same nonna and outside of Elle Woods, Barbie, and ye olden women from 50s movies, how many girly girl role models even are there nowadays? The role models are almost always tomboys, nlogs, or "strong" female character.

No. 305463

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No. 305467

i hate this trope too but you know if it's a straight ship with this dynamic it ALWAYS becomes canon in the official media so people are pretty much conditioned to see it as romantic…

No. 305937

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Someone mentioned manic pixie dream girls fixing boring depressed moids' lives but to add to that I also hate the "self-aware" version of it.

No. 305942

All the NGE official art where Asuka and Rei pose as if they were best friends are so misleading kek

No. 306048


Any official NGE art that doesn't involve Shinji flippin the fuck out is misleading

No. 306124

Flowers of Evil was the first time reading a manga where I really felt "too old for this shit."

No. 306142

I hate this kind of comedy. Character A does/say something stupid/ridiculous and Character B (over)reacts how stupid/ridiculous Character A is. I don't know if there's a term for this but I see it a lot in anime and it's so annoying because of how repetitive it is.

No. 306146

It's boke/tsukkomi I'm pretty sure. It's a Japanese comedy thing https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BokeAndTsukkomiRoutine

No. 306150

Considering the author went full AGP, probably a good call.

No. 306153

Given how Shinpachi seems to be the least popular main character in Gintama I'd say you're not the only one. There are times where he gets comedic scenes that are more than that and they're really funny but it's the exception, not the rule.

No. 306171

japanese comedy is often really shitty if i am honest

No. 306175

I like it at lot but I also know japanese. I've always thought that not knowing the language made it much harder for you to enjoy it.
Like I find Zenitsu from Kimetsu no Yaiba hilarious but every other person I know hates him, and they also don't know japanese. But he's one of the most popular characters in Japan.

No. 306233

I feel its just one of those things thats lost in translation, that's why I don't spaz out when localizers change hyper-specific Japanese jokes for something local.

No. 306244

you're right and you should say it

No. 307200

I don't think it's fair to say it's referencing the hunger games. books with those tropes are more than a dime a dozen in YA, many of which are cheap hunger games ripoffs

No. 307759

Writing in first person POV with a female protagonist that gives a detailed physical description of herself in the exposition, it's really immersion breaking and dumb, even worse if it's a male author.

No. 307773

>pic related
Basically everything that is a contradiction because contradictions reveal shitty writing which is the first thing that kills my interest in any sort of story.
There is a difference between traits of characters that subvert cliches and expectations (an anti-social guy that takes care of an old woman or the dictator that enjoys playing with his pets) and actual retarded contradictions like clumsy characters that can suddenly perform the craziest choreography during a fight. Or geniuses that are only smart because the story tells us they are and never actually display any sort of higher intelligence unless the plot needs them to.
Plot contrivances in general are another red flag.

Another shit that will make me drop a show are series that mislead you into believing that MC had no special power in a world full of strong people only to reveal a bit later that MC actually HAS a power, surprise, and it's not any power but the strongest of all. Fuck that crap.
Same goes for MCs that are introduced as underdogs and are later revealed to be chosen ones from the super special bloodline blahblah. Bloodline crap is always shit anyway no matter the story.

No. 307774

Forgot to reply to OP. That's the pic I was talking about >>129780

No. 307824

>Or geniuses that are only smart because the story tells us they are and never actually display any sort of higher intelligence unless the plot needs them to.
This is why I'll never understand why Mitsuru, Naoto and Makoto are so popular in Persona. They're legit the most stupid characters in their respective games but since they repeat the other characters' lines with a teacher's voice we're meant ro believe they have a 1000 IQ.

No. 307863

>geniuses that are only smart because the story tells us they are and never actually display any sort of higher intelligence unless the plot needs them to
writing smart characters can be hard specially when the character has higher intelligence than the author. I hate when a character starts displaying their intelligence but it makes no sense because the author has no idea what they are talking about, or the author is gasping at straws to make it sound deeper ao it end up sounding lame.
Another thing I hate is genius character who excels in every field.
A huge petpeeve of mine is when studious/book smart characters are intelligent and wise beyond their years. I know several people irl who are good at studying and got high marks in school and can get trough a school book with no problem but they don't know how to apply that knowledge outside of schoolwork. They didn't have strong opinions on anything and would get confused whenever their worldviews where challenged and generally denied that things had a deeper meaning unless it was related to an assignment. This pet peeve circles back to the "genius who excels at every field" point. Whenever a conflict or a riddle comes up the story turns to the studious character to solve it and it doesn't matter if it's related to science, strategy, art, logic, handiwork, etc. the studious character always has a qualified answer. It feels OP

No. 307865

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I absolutely hate the story of a colder woman who wants nothing to do with relationship and wants to work but suddenly mister quirky, I help you at your work and I am so much better at some things you are supposed to be better, pops up, of curse she fell in love with him over the curse of the serie and they have to get together because she realises that love and happy family is so much better than her work she dedicated her entire life to.
Bonus points if there is a child involved from either of both parties, were the other parent is either useless or dead.
You can see it in: Lucifer, bones, castle etc.

I hate it so much, I would not mind it so bad if they would befriend each othet but OH NO it always has to be love!
Maybe I am too subjective of this trope because I think friendship is in generell not good portrait in movies and series. Does not matter if m/m, m/f or f/f.

No. 307873

What's funny is that other characters in the game come off as actually smart and like… couldn't they write the "smart" character like they wrote the average non-smart character? It's like they're trying to make the smart character the most naive and lame instead.

No. 307875

>writing smart characters can be hard specially when the character has higher intelligence than the author. I hate when a character starts displaying their intelligence but it makes no sense because the author has no idea what they are talking about, or the author is gasping at straws to make it sound deeper ao it end up sounding lame.
Oh god this is especially bad in anime. Because a lot of anime are adaptions of shitty web novels written by 16yos that think they're witty and smart.

One related trope that might make drop a series is Schrödinger's Cat. This stuff is brought up in almost every fucking anime with a smart character because it's baby's first thought experiment and the only thing besides hacking (including "bars" that show the hacking progress on-screen) that a stupid writer can come up to show that their character is rivaling Einstein. What makes it worse is that they misapply it too on top of that.
But that aside one of the worst offenders of "stupid shit pretending to be smart" I've seen the last years was that Detective is already Dead series with the dead feMC. Everything about it was so stupid. I can tolerate stupid stuff as long as it's fun, but when you can tell that it's a story written by a common teenager that believes to be better than everybody else it gets cringe.

Same with isekai and MCs being geniuses for having generic knowledge that you learn in school when you are like 11.

No. 307876

Yes in Persona 4 the smartest character is by far Yosuke and everyone treats him like a retard, yet when Naoto parrots him she's a genius. I wish the writers would stop trying to make one specific character the smart guy of the group because it's usually the least fun character on top of being the dumbest one.

No. 307885

Oh god yeah I fucking hate every sort of narrative brainwashing or however you call that.
Another offender are tomboys or masculine female fighters that either reveal that they're actually super girly and sad that some consider them boyish or stories in which they of course fall in love and become housewives. I hate it for how obvious the writer's intentions are.

If you don't like cold women or tomboys or are afraid of them then don't fucking write them in the first place. Writers need to fuck off with their wish-fulfillment in which every woman that doesn't match the waifu ideal is just a motherly devote lover waiting for the chosen guy that shows her how she really feels like.
It's probably part of the "I can fix her/him" narrative which I also hate. I even hate the gender reversed version in which an interesting anti-social guy or villain is reformed because ms. flawless showed him what love is.

No. 307912

>Schrödinger's Cat
this and chess analogies lmao, it's such an obnoxious cliche at this point

No. 307915

As someone who is technically a mystery fan I DESPISE all this contrived 6D chess shit most mysteries must have. The villain always builds or plans some super complex mechanism to kill someone that relies on like 45 variables that always luckily happen the exact way they should and the killer obviously knew that before, keikaku doori happens and the detective solves all the shit on what is more of a hunch and/or coincidental lucky reveals than any logical conclusions. In the end media calls it smart because the solution is so artificial and technically impossible that nobody could possible foresee it.

I rather have a culprit I can guess if I pay close attention to the given details than borderline supernatural stuff. Odd Taxi is the only recent animated series I can think of that did mystery right.

No. 308029

>an anti-social guy that takes care of an old woman or the dictator that enjoys playing with his pets
aren't these extremely cliche? you will rarely ever see the anti-social guy portrayed in a complete, human way rather than as the cardboard cutout bad guy without some bullshit like that added. he can't just be bad but complete, and in that potentially sympathetic for some but in a subtle way not some obvious railroading that says this is exactly how you're supposed to feel about him.

I get what you mean though.

No. 311030

>hispanic character randomly starts to speak spanish
Even worse when the character isn't even actually hispanic, just an american related to one

No. 311055

UGH on that note i hate when moid authors go out of their ways to describe the state of a female character's nipples. It's so retarded. Bonus hatred points if theyre trying to convey arousal with hard nipples LMFAO

No. 311304

Even worse when it's fanfic and the character never even does that in canon. On another note I hate how most Americans portray bilingual/multilingual/ESL characters, no we don't just pepper our English speech with random words in our native language. I've never met anyone from anywhere who actually does that wtf.

No. 311307

This has bothered me for years and years, some of the YA books I read would have mexican characters sprinkle in spanish words randomly and I would always think, I know plenty of multilingual people and not one does this. It’s just cringy and dumb

No. 311598

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No. 311661

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Don't know how common this trope is but scroteshit being shoehorned into male focus fujobait anime/manga. Like who are these for anyway? Are they suppose to attract moid otakus so they can be interested in these series even though they're not the main audience for it or wouldn't care because it's male focused? Characters like these are unnecessary, out of place and are made nothing but for coomer art. Here's a better idea, don't sexualized them at all. I don't mind female characters in male focus anime/manga as long as they're not showing fanservice or sexually appealing to disgusting horny scrotes. Just please let me enjoy cute attractive men without being jump scared by titties or whatever the fuck moids drool over. There's already plethoras of that in most anime/manga out there and it doesn't have to be in male focus ones.

Characters from left to right:
Coco from Tsuritama
>She's not offensive but her design is retarded compared to the rest of the characters. Especially going around in a bikini top.
Ukraine from Hetalia
>She's not offensive either but they didn't need her tits being her main focus and bouncing around so much.
Female Kokkuri-san and Female Inugami from Gugure! Kokkuri-san
>Haven't finished this anime but why though??? Are they trying to appeal to scrotes? It's really unfortunate that there's so many fanart of this mtf genderswap shit compared to art of the actual male characters. Turning husbandos into scroteshit waifus is cringe and a sin whereas the other way around never happens.
Kasumi from OreFuro
>Weird loli imouto with incest implications for her older brother mc. It was really unnecessary, out of place and didn't have to put it like that. Why can't it just be a normal sibling relationship? Also she rivals with the merman who's being taken care of by the mc.
Neko and Seri Awashima from K
>Only seen the first season and had a foggy memory of this anime but Neko was some cat turned into an annoying, cringey and insufferable girl going around naked at first. For Seri, there was just too much tits and ass shots of her. Can't take this bitch seriously even though she has a serious demeanor. Not even when her tits flop around so much from fighting or just slightly moving. Cover them up slut and wear some actual uniform like your men goddammmit. Also, the right side are official art and from what I can remember I don't think these girls ever had any yuri implications with each other.
Nina Hopkins from Black Butler
>Only seen the anime but seeing this reeks of yuribait. Is she a lesbian? Does she have a thing for Mey-Rin? Why is she so close and being touchy with her? Why do they always have to have women groping other women's boobs? Women don't behave that way.

They're might be some that I missed but this is what I came across when consuming anime/manga for the boys.

No. 311669

It's just business common sense - capturing the widest audience possible. A fujo will not be deterred by one or two characters with big tits, while an otaku coomer may watch a show just for one big-tittied waifu.

I don't think Tsuritama is a good example either - there is hardly anything sexy about Coco. She looks like a character from an American cartoon.

'Official art' is another can of worms and will depend on the magazine the art is published in. For instance, Higurashi as a franchise (games, anime) was always mild on the fanservice side, but I had the misfortune of buying one of its anime artbooks and it was filled with lewds (of Satoko and Rika too) that were previously published in Megami and similar. Couldn't even check the content beforehand. Now I know that the target audience of Megami includes a large portion of lolicons.

No. 311676

My god that girl in uniform from K looks so bad in the official art.
My guess is that sometimes female authors will want to put in a sexy female character but they're so coombrained (being in Japan, surrounded by coomers, pedophiles and pictures of underage women being sexualized) that that's what they go for when designing her. Sexy woman = Big tits, dumb behaviour, yuribait but they're like groomed into thinking that way.

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Been looking for romance dramas, films or shows with average-looking/chubby female leads and a common trope I've seen is that she goes through a glow up weight loss transformation instead of staying the way she looks throughout. I know that being overweight and obese is unhealthy but it seems like whoever created or directed these are afraid to see these kinds of girls being paired up with loving attractive handsome men whereas the reverse is more common and more acceptable. It's sad that they think a woman being slim and slender is the only way for her to be loved and beautiful.

No. 314173

I hate that too
>Ugly moid gets bullied by other moids for being ugly and possibly also fat. He either loses weight and gets hot or transforms overnight into a hot stud. His love interest is a girl who was nice to him all along.
>Ugly, fat or usually just plain looking girl gets bullied by everyone, male and female, for being ugly or fat. Even if she just dresses a bit frumpy and has acne, people treat her like a hideous ogress. She transforms overnight and becomes hot, everyone is suddenly nice to her. Her crush never knew she existed until now because fat/ugly women having crushes is somehow cringe and gross.

For a shallow webtoon, True Beauty is the only perpetrator of this trope that I've seen that doesn't do this. The female ex-uggo isn't really an ex-uggo and her main love interest doesn't see anything wrong with her natural face.

No. 314182

Surprised you didn't add in that chick from Blue Lock.
Her character is basically old dudes going "look at her big boobs".

No. 314197

tbf Black Butler was published in a shounen magazine. And wasn't Hetalia original a seinen?

No. 314231

Nina canonically only likes women and cute boys, she hates men and specially Sebastian kek

No. 314233

>pedo lesbian/bisexual woman

No. 314234

self insert

No. 314256

Do you have any specific examples for the reverse being acceptable? I honestly don't know a single drama where male!MC is allowed to stay his ugly self.
Watashi ga motete dousunda, too.

No. 314270

I hate it when the villain makes one of the main characters fall in love with them and they start dating only for it to be revealed to have been the bad guy all along at the end. In most cases it's a female villain doing it, but I've seen quite a few males as well.

No. 314309

Yeah, the Black Butler character is an implied lesbian. She's a fashion designer and is also notable for daring to wear pants in an era where it would have been scandalous for women. Seeing a reversal of the usual "flamboyant gay male fashion designer" would have been fun, so it's too bad that she unambiguously falls under the trope of the predatory and lecherous lesbian oft seen in animanga.

No. 314335

I'm so glad this is being brought up because no one I know who speaks multiple languages does this. Some things cant be translated right into english, but it's easier with spanish to english than another language. it's so annoying

No. 314340

Not drama but, Ore Monogatari!! (My Love Story!!) and The Nutty Professor movies from what I can remember.

No. 314648

>woman has special powers like clairvoyance, but she has to remain a virgin because if she has sex she'll lose her powers

I've seen this trope at least 3 times, it's so stupid. Why do men have such a weird complex around female sexuality

No. 314659

I think when that happens nowadays it's because it's based on really old legends abour virgins so it's about being lore accurate or whatever.

No. 314709

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God I hate the Nina shit, she has such a cool design and I love the sophisticated lesbian coded lady trope in manga targeted at women and/or girls but there's always a 50% chance of them getting the coombait treatment

No. 314721

>I'm so glad this is being brought up because no one I know who speaks multiple languages does this.
As a nordicfag I'm sad to report that people here do it but only in our native languages by sprinkling in English to sound cool. Same way a weeb would say kawaii or kakkoi instead of cute and cool. Absolutely hate it because it's cringe af but it's so normalized now because everyone here speaks English and we devalue our own cultures and languages.

No. 314724

Well duh. But a lot of old legends are misogynistic. Don't know why they can't come up with new shit, especially in fantasy

No. 314733

Yeah it's always sexist, I think the case of recent works they're just trying to copy their predecessors over and over again and that's why we have still this trope. Many writers don't care about originality or are autistic enough to believe that if you don't copy old myths in your story then it shouldn't count as fantasy.

No. 314793

I had no idea that was actually a thing in legends or an actual trope in lit. I actually came up with that concept for a story, however, the virginity thing turns out to be a lie as a means to control the clairvoyant women, and those that seemingly did lose their clairvoyance after sex is because, when they got pregnant, their child took that power instead. I still have some kinks to work out but yeah, I had no idea it was a thing before

No. 314843

I don't remember their name but there was a temple in Ancient Greece or Rome iirc where people could pay to ask a virgin priestess to tell them their future. If they lost their virginity they were either kicked out or killed, and I'm sure they were forced to take drugs so they could hallucinate visions of the future as part of the whole thing. I heard about that a very long time ago so I should look it up again, I'm just saying this on top of my head.

No. 314844

I forgot to say but there's also a legend about how unicorn only approach virgin women or something like that, I'd say that's closely related.

No. 314854

Duh it was a group of lesbians and they didn't want impurities brought by males. If you're talking about the oracles, I think they were just high from the fumes from back in the caves. They only kept around one or two scrotes to play the flute when they had their nude dances in the hills.

No. 314858

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i’m glad you posted a pic of weed because he embodies one of my most hated tropes, that being the gary stu/mary sue. his father gin (og silver fang) could be considered one as well but at least he was trained to become a strong fighter because of the strict bear hunter who trained him since he was a small pup. so, there was an explanation for why he was a strong fighter and he learned that ultimate attack through training with his father/wolves depending on if it’s the anime or manga.

weed on the other hand was somehow a skilled fighter from the start despite having lived a calm life with his mother until he was a teen and he also suddenly just used that ultimate attack without having ever fought or trained before. no one trained him, he just had this strength and skill from birth. every single dog no matter how jaded from either abuse or life as a soldier watching their comrades die, even a literal assassin, just get turned into goodie-two-shoes weed fanboys from a conversation or unfinished battle with him. why? because he’s that fantastic, no other reason needed apparently.

he has several moments of being a complete selfish jackass like leaving jerome and his own father as captives so he could hang out with his mate, but is he ever called out on this? of course not, because he’s weed and he can do no wrong. other characters get called out (usually by him) for much less selfishness or cowardice than that, but somehow when weed does it it’s completely different. in the anime he also banished jerome from the pack for killing the assassins who has just tried to kill weed and were planning their next attempt just as jerome tracked them down and killed them. he’s a self-righteous hypocrite and the ultimate gary stu protagonist.

i hate mary sues/gary stus with a burning passion and it started with this little shit. characters that start out perfect and don’t change a bit throughout their story are boring as shit, because there can be no character growth or internal struggles when your character is perfect from the start.

yes i have silver fang autism, i grew up with the ginga franchise and have carried this for many years so you’ll have to excuse me nonnies

No. 314869

I think you're thinking of the Vestal Virgins

No. 314887

Shallow Hal is a rare example where the fat chick stays fat in the end. She gets with the fat and ugly Jack Black but still.

No. 314914

>Black Butler, a manga/anime for middle school girls
Yeah I think the mangaka missed the mark with this character. She looks out of place and has Sebastian's face wtf

No. 314938

My 3 most hated female character tropes:

The childhood love interest
>Usually a fussy girl who either nags and nags at the male protagonist or is a mousey talking piece of furniture, but either way is made as unlikable as possible with the charisma of a wet dishrag
>Turns out she just loves him so much she wants to take care of him!
>She's literally a background noise in his life observing him from afar for years, suddenly he wakes up to how they're meant to be together and get married despite sharing no chemistry or even proper scenes beforehand
>The fandom has apologists devoting their entire lives to defending and simping for her shit writing

The cured tomboy
>She's so unfeminine and would NEVER put on a dress, yuck!
>She kicks so much ass, don't you call her a girl!
>By the way, she's so sexually aggressive she's the one who pushes Protagonist-kun against the wall
>In fact, Protagonist-kun just has to starfish while she sucks his limp dick
>She appears one night wearing a dress with her hair and makeup done
>"H..how do I look, Protagonist-kun? blush"
>Aww she found her hidden femininity like a real woman should! Thank god she grew out of her cringe GNC phase!
>The fandom thinks if you find her big dress reveal scene offensive you have internalized misogyny and hate femininity

The writer's mary sue
>The girl who every other character likes and loves despite her doing nothing that likable besides just "being nice" at best
>Is often omnipotent, the story always forgives and saves her no matter what
>She's granted special privileges for no good reason
>She's so babied by the writer that the world's rules and other characters' personalities are literally bent to accommodate her needs
>Either barely has personality or has one similar to a spoiled brat
>The writer pushes this character everywhere and often has a self-insert dating her or self-inserts into her themselves
>The fandom is full of contrarians who think she's just misunderstood and doesn't deserve the bullying (she does)

No. 314958

>female protag gets intense crush on guy
>Guy turns out to be married/I'm a relationship, sometimes even with her friend
>She pursues him anyway. In some stories she doesn't care, in others shell feel bad but not bad enough to not pursue him
>They end up hooking up/seeing each other
>He betrays her in some way, usually cheating with someone else
>Female protag gets extremely hurt/upset, "I thought you loved me!!!"

I'm so fucking sick of this. I've read several books in the past year or two that have this. Don't know why it's so common.

No. 315169

As a tomboy who never graduated into a "real feminine woman" like everybody around me seemed to expect, I hate the second trope with a burning passion.

No. 315180

I used to see this surprisingly frequently in shitty YA books when I was younger and reading a lot:
>female protag has a male enemy who tries to kill her
>protags female best friend ends up dating the male enemy (he only tried to literally murder your best friend, nbd)
>"i know he tried to kill you and all… but protag, i looove hiiiim!! he's totally changed since last month when he did that!!"
>protag has to overcome her totally unreasonable and unwarranted feelings of hatred for the guy (who tried to literally murder her) for the sake of her bestie
>protag and guy form some sort of a truce to protect the feelings of the bestie because "they both love her" until they become "almost friends"
I swear to god that bestie character is a self-insert by the author who wants to fictionally date the bad boy she created.

No. 315686

NTA but same, in fact I seem to have become more masculine in adulthood.
Are there any fictional tomboys that are written like this instead of transforming into hyperfemininity as they grow up?

No. 316732

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Sniper/gun wielding characters with these round orange glasses. Design wise it looks nice, but won't that obstacle their vision when shooting? And if these are supposed to be glasses and not sunglasses then that indicates they have a visual impairment and need glasses to see, then why tf are they using guns which need good aim and sharp vision? I know it's a silly thing to get angry at but it just makes no sense.

No. 316737

asked my ex-special forces dad asked about this, he said these were yellow anti-glare sunglasses, real snipers wear them in IRL as well.

No. 316750

Wow, that's actually interesting! Thank you and thanks to your dad for this cool fun fact.

No. 316751

They're sunglasses aren't they?

No. 316762

The Hellsing author probably knew this because he’s obsessed with guns and military stuff

No. 316771

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Don't know about snipers, but hunters do that. You can buy tinted lens for binoculars too.

No. 316780

Nta, but I can't think of any. And if there were people would probably just call it nlog or an assault on feminity or something dumb like that.

No. 316782

Ugh this was basically the plot for the last season of Dexter if you switched the genders.

No. 316991

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whatever this is called.

No. 317039

Not the other anon but me too. I even posted about this trope somewhere else on lc once and I legit skip everything with tomboys unless I can confirm that it's not that same shit again (but it's usually the same shit).
Same. It even makes sense since a lot of people get calmer and maybe more distant when they grow up, which are both traits commonly associated with males. Plus you might also stop giving a shit at some point and say what you think or not care about socializing or fitting in with people you know don't share enough traits with you to make it worth the hassle.

No. 317051

KEK this is so spot on. It's the latest iteration of the manic pixie dream girl.

No. 317101

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that bitch embodies what is probably the trope i hate the most

the extremely unsympathetic/edgy writer’s pet/mary sue

the character who does terrible shit with zero remorse and zero repercussions, the character every other character of the opposite sex wants to fuck/is obsessed with no matter how blatantly ooc it is for them to act that way (dexter), the character that is given a half-assed sob story that’s supposed to make the plot and narrative bending over backwards to coddle her seem justified, the ultra unsympathetic character who gets a completely undeserved happy ending without a shred of critique or irony from the narration

fuck the last seasons of dexter and fuck hannah mcsue

No. 317166

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This is so funny. I just watched this happen on The Bear, even though I'm pretty sure a woman wrote the series. I was so shocked at how much I did not care about this random woman who showed up to be the male lead's love interest. They have a generic meet-cute in a grocery store, suddenly he remembers his past with her and their feelings and then they're already having their will-they-wont-they moments. And she needs to shave her unibrow.

No. 317275

I loved the first season and had to text my dad for his hulu password when season 2 came out, because I couldn't find it on the high seas. majorly disappointed. also did not care about this character, at all. the casting felt weird too. overall character just added very random stuff to the story.

No. 320606

Kids that are too mature and smart for their age.

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I don’t like any het couple dynamic to begin with but I especially hate the ‘she doms him/pegs him/owns him’ type ships that everyone online is obnoxious about pushing as something progressive. I don’t give a fuck about them or Barbie and Ken or whatever.

No. 320624

true. we will never see a truly subversive het ship in mainstream media imo.

No. 320625

You know what, your right. I've never liked it and it borders on a pedo mindset that kids can have adult maturity. I understand that it can be a kids power fantasy to be smarter than adults but I've never seen it done in a way that makes sense. Home alone plays on that fantasy by Kevin outsmarting the dumb villains breaking into the house, but he's by no means portrayed as smarter than adults or all knowing and mature.

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I think this is an extension of the Warren principle, where male characters are woobified and female characters are stripped of any and all interesting motivations and attributes. Instead, they are turned into perfect, no-nonsense adults, regardless of their actual personalities or character.

No. 320652

Yes, I think these are mostly my issues with any type of ship like this that attempts to be subversive in ‘flipping the roles’ but they never actually are. They’re still conventionally attractive (mostly hyper)feminine women with their similarly conforming men at the end of the day. Great screenshot btw. The babygirl phenomenon similarly annoys me in that it’s fake progressive but really, these women are still obsessing over these male characters at the end of the day while female characters get little attention as they’re merely a stand-in for a self insert.
Maybe I’d be more tolerant of seeing het couples in media if the woman was bordering on abusive, toxic, sloppy, non-conforming, not obsessed about her man or whatever and still likable and significant to the plot (not just a villain)

No. 320664

lmao, I meant "woobification principe" and my brain wrote Warren principle(sounds like some literal theory)

No. 320686

Older Man/Younger Woman, trope (and at this point genre) I detest in all possible forms but especially

>older man married to"career-oriented" (a.k.a. bitch) woman his age

>silly quirky young female character with absolutely no life experience enters his life

with obvious hatred for the wife for being a shrew/being infertile/not being "family-oriented" enough. So much misogyny.



>silly quirky young female character with absolutely no life experience enters his life

This is becoming ever so popular with young women today. It makes girls feel like the only currency they have is emotional labour, energy, motherhood etc. The MC is always some poor idiot with a "lot of heart" and "empathy" as character traits and the older man is a broken, mysterious, abusive daddy (disgusting). If the MC had more life experience I could maybe forgive the age difference, but "youth and naiveté is exactly what he needs!" is such a strange thing to say. Like a woman's life path is something that exists to heal a man's worldview.

Casual sex to catching feelings, the forced awkwardness and angst, are we or aren't we thing. I don't care if it's a trauma related thing as it often is and they're not being open about their feelings, they're adults, they can talk.

And don't get me started on infidelity. Mid-life crisis type shit, or crappy cinephile movies about the psychology of being or having a side piece, more interested in sex and the "ennui" of cheating. The only movie that has done this well was Brief Encounter and I don't think they ever consummated, anyway.

Sorry for sperging but I feel like these are the only romance options left for young women today and it's driving ne insane. I probably sound like someone's grandma

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This is very specific to slasher films, but when the last surviving guy (usually the final girl's love interest) is CLEARLY killed, only for him to suddenly reappear at the last moment to "help" the final girl. Usually she has it figured out anyway and his contribution comes off as unnecessary. She doesn't need his help. Plus the killer effectively dispatching all the other victims but somehow missing that he didn't actually kill the dude is unbelievable. And it ESPECIALLY irks me if he still survives and he and the final girl have a sappy happy ending. He should at least sacrifice himself and be truly killed while she gets away. That would at least somewhat make up for his previous fakeout death. It overall lowers the stakes and cheapens the movie for me. I want to see a dance of death between the killer and final girl, that's the actual romance going on. Get out of here you literally who boyfriend.

No. 320748

i don't really get these kinds of posts. do they think that if they just keep telling these straight fangirls to care about female characters it'll happen? it's sad but most of them will never care, and they don't have to. heterosexual women will obviously focus on their male favs because straightness is literally an incurable disease. i say this as a straight woman who's obsessed with both male and female characters.

No. 320780

that's not that point being made though.

No. 320788

I hate it when a female character with magical powers with a martial arts/weapons trained bf loses her magic because ~plot~ and becomes lame and useless while her bf is still useful and cool. Even if she ends up regaining her powers it’s annoying af

No. 320792

what is the point? either way it's only gonna produce more annoying performative tumblr posts rather than actual change in fandom mindset. we should really double down on supporting people who make actual good content of our favorite fictional women.

No. 320804

>Home alone plays on that fantasy by Kevin outsmarting the dumb villains breaking into the house, but he's by no means portrayed as smarter than adults or all knowing and mature.
This is an astute observation, nona. A lot of people re-analyzing the film rag on how Kevin's traps suck or he's "too smart." But in reality the villains are just completely retarded (aside from the beginning, the police impersonation was actually brilliant). And we see hints of how Kevin is just a kid when he goes shopping and gets scared of the movie/basement. It's all just for fun anyway, I don't think there's any real "lesson" meant to be portrayed in that movie. It's just a wild fantasy that every kid had at some point.

btw I don't wanna give any potential dox but tropes about kids that are way smarter/more moral than they ought to be can be found in ancient/medieval lives of saints (where the trope can be translated as "old child") and panegyric for emperors (where the kid emperor is already amazing before he does jack shit). But if I had to wager, the saints' lives connection is much stronger than the imperial one.

No. 320806

most young people interact with fandom to swoon over characters they are sexually attracted to, and most fandoms are run by women so female characters will forever be thrown under the bus by insecure teenage girls. Sorry, it is just how it is. And men suck ass at fandom content so even when they focus on a female character they will do it in a scrotey cumbrain way. As i grew up i just gave up on the fandom culture and i just appreciate the female characters i like by myself bc i know horny teens won’t.

No. 320841

but it wasn't always like this, people knew when to take things seriously and when not too, and most women(other then fujos) at worse just ignored the female characters, didn't turn them into no-fun mommydoms cause they have nothing better to do.

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This is related to what was discussed earlier. I love hades to death but when I saw melinoe's portrayal in the trailer I realized it's the same fucking trope. Zagreus is laidback and chill, while melinoe is a serious tough girl. This happens all the time, the female character is never allowed to be actually fun, she must always be hypercompetent and serious about her job. I know a lot of people shat on korra but I actually liked how much of a mess she was. She was clearly a proto-girlboss but at least she felt more relatable and human to me. Obviously we don't know yet the full extent of melinoe's personality, but it's kinda clear to me that she is gonna be depicted as more serious than zag

No. 320877

I think men also have a tendecy to "babygirl" their waifu, which is why a lot of female characters from moid pandering anime have moe gap, or they absolutely suck at something, or they're socially awkward and act a bit autistic. People don't have much of an interest in "flawless" characters in general.

No. 320879

>I don't wanna give any potential dox
??? Doxing a medieval saint? Please elaborate.

These moe characters are flawless though - being socially awkward or baking inedible goo are seen as 'cute', not flaws with negative consequences.

No. 320880

Yeah they have flaws that are seen as endearing instead. If you look at the cast of konosuba the girls are actually as incompetent as it gets and they're all very popular with moids.

No. 320926

Oh sorry, all I meant is that I don't know how much to say spontaneously bc I do academic work on saints. But I do think it's a fun topic when it comes to tropes of kids that are too wise or too good in fiction (and irl), and I'm fine with discussing it if other nonas want to!

No. 321183

also when it comes to home alone, in the end kevin did need an adult to save him from the bad guys. before that the villains weren't exactly retarded while not smart either, it's just that they really didn't expect to enter the happy meal saw house, any sensible adult (with criminal tendencies) would had thought that it would be as simple as getting in the house, securing the kid and taking the stuff but kevin turning his childish power fantasies into reality caught them by surprise. the moment they stop underestimating him and playing by his kiddie logic rules, they overpower kevin and become genuinely threatening to him at which point kevin's neighbor saves him.

No. 321250

How famous of a saint academic are you…

No. 321318

On the other hand I can't stand kids in fiction who act like perfect good little oblivious angels. Sometimes (typically in romantic comedy) they say social "oopsies" they're far too old for like a 11 year old will ask the main female lead "are you my new mommy owo? my daddy needs a new wife after mommy became an angel. Uncle Teddy says daddy should "get some" but I don't know what that means, I think he means get a wife" as if 11 year olds aren't getting into fistfights and yelling slurs on the playground at school.

No. 321321

i can complain and make/support content i like at the same time.

No. 321404

Related to this, I hate the way swearing is done in most modern media. It's not that it's vulgar or childish, it's that the swear words they use are just confusing. way to many weird terms and made-up swears that literally no one uses except maybe a dozen terminally online twitters users even heard off.

No. 321417

>except maybe a dozen terminally online twitters users even heard off.
These people started this shit on tumblr and became professional writers now. This is the result.

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off-topic but why does he look like hairy pitbull

No. 321441

No wonder why the writing is so repulsive. I always hated seeing people reblog those weird fanfic-like scenarios based on a random concept and it always came out cringy and poorly written.

No. 321454

Actually, I think there might be a more logical explanation. Writers want their characters to swear, so they come across as either jaded, cynical, or mature. However, they don't want the characters to use any words that are considered "problematic," such as retard or faggot. Therefore, the only solution is to make up swear that literally no one uses, so no one gets offended. For example, in blockbuster movies, you might hear phrases like "what the shit biscuit" or "hey dickbag for brains," which are meant to come across as cool and we just sorta go along with it, despite how awkawrd they sound.

No. 321469

I remember being shocked by "penis breath" in E.T. as a little kid. Please tell me I didn't imagine this, I don't want to search it

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Posted this in another but fits better here, I hate how military action films often feature ugly steroid-ridden middle-aged men in the lead roles, which is not even accurate. My father(who served in the special-forces) showed me pictures of his training and the members of his unit, as well as soldiers from other countries they worked with and they were all young and attractive men in their early 20s, with some even resembling models. He also tolemeit was rare for someone in their early 30s to be in the special forces or active duty, and impossible for a 40-year-old to be part of the special forces. However, in the majority of action films, we always see older men in these roles.

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No. 321681

It's the unironic cope of aging moids who direct these films.

No. 321767

Nice makeup.

No. 321826

I HATE the trope where the couple that ended up together in the first movie/book/whatever is suddenly having extreme relationship problems or are broken up in part 2. It's never for a good reason and it's always just so they have some kind of relationship drama. For me it just makes the story seem lazy and like part 1 was meaningless because the "happy ending" we got just got undone in 1 second. It's not fun watching the couple you cheered for suddenly fall apart, it's just annoying. And I already watched those two fall in love and sort things out the first time so there's nothing new about them doing it again. I'd much rather see the dynamic of a normal couple for once, and if they need relationship drama they can do non-romantic drama via friends, family, coworkers etc or just add a new couple to root for.

No. 321828

I still liked Shrek 2.

No. 321832

the writer's mary sue is just rory gilmore and the gilmore girls subreddit behaves exactly as you described + calls any criticism of the character misogyny

No. 321833

Shrek 2 was unironically such a well-made film. Better than any other Shrek movies and miles above animated films made today.

No. 321834

People are stupid and afraid that making soldiers not ugly or old would make the movie feel gay, maybe partly because of the retarded audience that would whine about this and talk about wokes soyfying soldiers.

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From what I understand, after World War II, war films casted soldiers with actors who were often veterans themselves. However, this was in the 50s and 60s and these actors would be a decade or two older than they would have actually been during the war. Eventually, this practice became a trend and later it was mistakenly taken up as fact by boomers.

No. 321839

Thanks this actually explains how it started. It makes sense doing this, not just for reasons of honor but also because actual veterans might be the better actors for war drama, considering that they remember how they felt when it happened. It's probably indeed an initially reasonable choice later turning into a nonsensical trope.

No. 321858

I thought the Band of Brothers guys were pretty cute

No. 321881

Ayrt, shrek 2 is the exception because it's a masterpiece

No. 321887

IDK if it's really a trope, but I've encountered this a few times
>a male character has a female love interest, leads a happy life
>the female love interest tragically dies
>male character falls into despair and darkness, may or may not be manipulated by a bigger evil, muh revenge the world shall be destroyed moid thing
>male character commits numerous crimes and atrocities like it was Saturday, becomes increasingly cruel and/or forgetting his past
>it's going like that until the protagonist/hero arrives, uses talk no jutsu and/or reminds him of what he used to be
>he has a change of heart, now fighting for the hero's causes (often just undoing his own mess), he ends up sacrificing himself and dying
>bonus point if his lover appears in his memories or as an apparition that convinces him to switch side
>in the afterlife, his lover is waiting, instantly forgiving and accepting him despite what he has done
>male character apologizes as if it's only his lover he has wronged
>"uwu I've always trusted you, you're a good person, I forgive you,I appreciate what you've done for me, welcome back my hubby"
>they live happily ever after in the afterlife like nothing happened and as if the moid deserved it
>or worse(?) the female lover agrees to be with the male character as he goes to his deserved place (hell/purgatory)

No. 321898

thats why full metal jacket is my favourite military movie, joker a qtie

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Jirai kei is so problematic on its own irl, and from what I see it's gradually becoming a weird disgusting trope. I really hate how girls with mental health problems are usually portrayed in otaku culture, but it's getting worse. After the pandemic they got more popular, starting with Needy Streamer Overload (which is not that bad compared to the rest). I guess it became kind of a blueprint after its success. There are two other games that I found on Steam in English - Suteki na kanojo no tsukurikata and Sentimental Death Loop. I don't know what's going on in the heads of the developers, but both of them are about yandere lesbian girls in jirai kei outfits which manipulate, torture, kill and/or rape their love interests. It's really a horror to me, I don't know if it's possible to make a theme more misogynistic than this.

In the original version of picrel a pantyshot is visible. I hate men.

No. 322062

I dislike jirai too, just wish they wouldn't sexualise girls with glaring mental issues coping with cute things. Let them have their sanrio merch in peace.
And not every woman that likes cute/girly things is a "landmine" ffs, absolutely hate this trend.

No. 326699

This is not a trope but I hate when both a work in canon and its fandom makes character A too obsessed with character B/specific object. In canon this usually begins to happen in sequel(s). So the newer fans come in, consumes current works, nod along with it and start make up headcanons even though it wasn't like that in the first work. Stupid fans and idiotic writers stop sticking Dante's ass with Vergil

No. 326715

this screams troon game

No. 327094

Fanfic trope but I hate when characters are constantly referred to by their nationality/ethnicity/origin when it's not relevant to the situation simply because the writers got in their heads that using the characters' names (or titles I guess depending on the characters) is "too repetitive". "The Frenchman" "the Texan" "the Australian" make it stop already! I even had to see "the half-French Bostonian" once, do authors not realize how cringe and shoehorned in this shit sounds?

No. 327105

kek are you referring to the Scout?

No. 327106

I sure was, sadly.

No. 327384

i once read a fic where the author kept referring the main characters as "the older man" and "the younger man" even though there where only 2 years between the characters

No. 327485

Idk if this is really a trope, but I hate it when a character is written as quirky, a bit asocial and is basically accidentally written as an autist - and then social media catches on and fans label (quite accurately) the character as an autist.
The problem is then that the writers who clearly had no idea the character would come off an an autist and were very clearly just making a "quirky" character then takes that to heart and from then on intentionally makes sure the character IS an autist for real. They always change the character to fit into a more stereotypical autist mold, and end up pandering for no reason at all.
Most famous example I can think of is Sherlock (Cumberbatch version), and I think Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory had the same issue (haven't seen much of the show, so not sure about that one). I'm a diagnosed sperg myself so I'm allowed to be salty kek

No. 327635

Ugh I hate this too, it's my number one writing pet peeve. It reeks of amateur because you can tell they're just emulating other fanfiction and have never read a real book in their life. I can forgive it though. Not everyone cares for the craft like I do, and it's not their fault if they were given shitty beginner's advice.
Have you ever rewritten their bad fanfic nonette? I do, sometimes, just for my own satisfaction. Like if otherwise the scenario and characterisation are good, then I'll fix the bad prose that weighs it down. Just an idea. Especially if Scout is your husbando and you're hurting for content

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No. 337520

i saw scrotes on /ic/ seething over this lul

No. 337538

what's there for them to seethe about?

No. 338458

Adults being boring. I hate this trope and the idea that life ends as soon as you have kids and only the kids can go on big adventures while the parents wait at home or at their boring office job, with no aspirations or dreams of their own. I get that adults can look boring from a child's perspective but I still hate how the idea is constantly pushed, because as a young woman myself it makes me feel like my life will be over the second I start a family so I have to achieve all my dreams before that even though that's impossible and stupid.

No. 338475

Kek. I hate when scrotes draw like this. Just when you think they're good at art, they turn out to be dogshit at it and unimaginative after all.

No. 338492

This comes from a generation that was raised on the idea that Joss Whedon is a competent writer and not the worst thing to happen to media writing since Hollywood execs discovered youth slang in the 80's.

No. 359483

This is quite tragic really.

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No. 367508

Similar to this, I hate how every single book I read with a female character is usually under or around 22. In YA you'd expect it, but I've read tons of non YA books where the female protagonist is like 19. Can't even think of any books with an interesting or fun/adventure type of story with a female character older than early 20s. Every book I can think of with a woman older than that is either a thriller/murder mystery or depressing literary fiction. Meanwhile men get shit like the Da Vinci Code with a middle aged man as the protagonist.

No. 367581

Not to drag up old drama but, who the fuck was the slut x wholesome boy pair in Princess Jellyfish???
Also this trope is way more common as
>Manwhore x Virgin Maiden
and I despise both versions of this trope because its a branch off the
>I can fix him
trope and it is interesting to see how some tropes are just more specific instances of broader generic versions

No. 367582

NAYRT but probably the brother and the real estate developer

No. 367583

Thank you, its been forever since I watched it and guess I've forgotten most of the characters

No. 367586

I also hate this and I hate how much media is about high school or up to 22-ish, like nona said. And they usually act like someone with foresight and emotional maturity as if they had the life experience of a 30-something year old. Anime is the worst for this, any woman over 25 is a teacher or a mom (or an evil old hag/witch) and that's it. I've heard people defend it by saying "high school is the last chance Japanese people get to feel free before they reach the grind of the workforce, so it's relatable." I want to see more interesting stories about women in their 30s-50s going on adventures that doesn't revolve around some tragic story of being a widow/divorcee.

No. 367623

>especially shoujo
????????? 90% of shoujo protagonists are stereotypical pure innocent virginal maidens who don't even know what sex is half the time, much less kissed anyone. now I'm curious which type of shoujo media fits this

No. 367671

I'm racking my brain to think of any I've ever read but not shoujo, Scums Wish was the only place I recognized that specific trope from but thats a seinen.
Wait, Hot Gimmick. The little sister and the mc's childhood friend.
Stepbro should've been endgame
Yamada's First Time had a false version of it since she was a wannabe slut but never actually seeing anyone but her boyfriend.
There was this Korean smut webtoon where the slutty girl who initially went after the male lead actually got with the pure guy who wanted the female lead. I heard the story went full retard after some point and stopped before then at a good spot but I think it might have been a reveal that the female lead was this trope, and if it was I'm glad I stopped.

No. 368041

I'm perfectly fine with the isekai where Mc wakes up as other character and even when original character was a villian, but not when the character has already committed nasty crimes and the main character has to take responsibility for their actions that's so fucking stupid I hate it

No. 368191

I hate how the world building in pretty much every major fantasy series (and many that aren't) is just a copypasted version of our world. Like in The Witcher how there's "Oxenford" which is literally just Oxford but with magic. Or in The First Law books by Joe Abercromie there's "Angland" which is just "England" with one letter changed, and it's getting invaded by "Northerners" who are "tall and have rune tattoos". They are far from being the only offenders though.

Obviously nothing is 100% original and there's always going to be a little bit of similarities/parallels but fantasy authors don't even seem to try very hard. They just take our world and change a few of the letters around. Do they actually think they're doing something original when they do this? Just write historical fantasy if you don't want to think too hard about world building.

No. 368192

I worldbuild in my spare time cuz I'm a loser kek and I agree with you - I think a lot of fantasy authors focus more on the writing end of their craft rather than building a fun and interesting world. I think an author has to have a good understanding of world history and technology to really be able to create a unique world that feels lived in like in the LOTR or ASOIAF.

No. 368225

>nonhuman sentient species
>males look nonhuman and other worldly
>females are basically humans with mild altercations because otherwise men won't find it sexy

>nonmammal female

>is given hair and breasts (or an analogous equivalent) to show that she's female

>the antiracism children's thing that ironically argues in favor of racism

>the modern day "independent black woman who don't need no man" where she's a overaggressive SJW and has no personality outside of being a strawman

>something trying to parody a misogynistic trope by inverting it

>too afraid to actually offend men so it's tame or vaguely coomy

>blonde hair being seen as more feminine than brown hair

>the big bad is actually

yawn just #womenarejustasbadtoo propaganda

>women can be smart AND feminine

>women can be strong AND feminine

No. 368242

I agree with this. It feels like there isn't enough "fantasy" in fantasy lately, at least to my tastes. Where's the imagination? I think it's because many story ideas spring from "what if (thing) but with (magic) thing??" instead of coming up with a whole separate world/reality which is much harder and takes longer.

Interesting you mention ASOIAF because I found the "fantasy" element to be fairly understated. I didn't get that far into the books but iirc my impression was "shitty people in rehashed European historical scenarios but with dragons" kek. But it certainly is incredibly well fleshed out.

No. 368433

I think it's complicated because on one hand I do believe a lot of fantasy authors should read actual histories for inspiration, but there should be a transformative element to it. For example Tolkien was obsessed with Anglo-Saxon mythology but he didn't simply copy it outright to create the LoTR. Instead,he drew inspiration from it and created something truly unique. On the other hand there is an obvious issue with certain fantasy authors not just being inspired but essentially copying actual works with only a different coat of paint
GRRM is the worst case of this, Almost every element of ASOIAF is just a barely disguised retelling of various points in English history, If you've read any sort of detail book about the history of Britain, you'll find that it's essentially the 'lore' of his series, the first men are the Celts, the Andals are the Anglo-Saxons and the Targaryens are the Normans

No. 368555

>it's essentially the 'lore' of his series, the first men are the Celts, the Andals are the Anglo-Saxons and the Targaryens are the Normans
So he just skipped the Romans?

No. 369796

Reminds me of this

No. 371062

>nonhuman/alien/occult species as allegories for different human races/ethnicities
>larger tougher darker skinned person x smaller softer lighter skinned person ships
>excessive focus on high school years, high school aged characters when college aged or older would have been better suited, any kind of "high school is the best/most important time of one's life" bullshit
>infertility/childlessness angst in female characters
>female sexuality being portrayed as "more fluid" than male sexuality
>woman "rapes" grown man
>"sexually liberated" woman freely gives handjobs and blowjobs and has anal sex because she's "liberated" but never receives any kind of clit stimulation, or at least never from men
>overly gritty and cynical "actually human nature is selfish and cruel!!" fakedeep shit
>lesbian character being "one of the guys"
>man hating lesbian character that for some reason is hypocritically predatory towards other women
>daughters always conveniently look like their mothers, sons always look conveniently like their fathers
>male calico cats that no one comments anything about as if they're not extremely rare
>dogs = boys except for poodles, poodles = girls or effeminate males, cats = girls or effeminate males
>hyperfeminine tranny or crossdresser being considered a "better woman" than actual women because he's better at performing artificial femininity, mean women are jealous of him
>wife of cheating closeted husband being villainized as a straw homophobe
>endgame pair obsession in non-romance series
>"we need to repopulate the earth"
>gratuitous animal cruelty

No. 371076

I agree with all of these are awful, but I have literally never seen "daughters always conveniently look like their mothers, sons always look conveniently like their fathers" trope, in western cartoon it's always the other way around, where the male character is just a reverse gendered version of his mom and vice versa for his sister.

No. 371093

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>Quirky,happy blonde female character
I instantly dislike anything with those types of protagonists and avoid it like the plague

No. 371094

I agree with all of these except

>male calico cats that no one comments anything about as if they're not extremely rare

What lol. That is so specific. I can't even remember the last time I watched a movie or show with a calico cat in it.

No. 371097

I remember there's a male calico cat in Haruhi Suzumiya, but pretty sure it's pointed out that it's rare.

No. 371167

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Especially with a plain male lead or scrote self-insert. For me it's her.

No. 388635

hollywood ugly short autistic nerdy"nice guys" with nothing to offer and being paired with beautiful blonde stacies that cheated her attractive muscular jock bf to be with him, fetishization and male gaze in lesbian films with are nothing realistic to lesbians irl, roided bald ugly postwall alpha roidpigs shilled as attractive and unnecessary gender violence sold as "historical accuracy " while inserting a lot of weird black guys in medieval europe

No. 388641

usually these media doesn't sell commercially because of moids being pedos

No. 388698

This trope angers me to no end. I was on the receiving end of constant commentary about "smiling more," my "resting bitch face," and "bad attitude" I never actually had, so much more than any girl around me growing up because of those subconscious stereotypes people have. "You should be more chipper!" Why is that? Why do you think that? You didn't go up to (brunette) Nichole who's only a few feet away from us and tell her that, even though she's not smiley right now either. I point this out to people if I notice it and they go silent and you can see them reflect for a moment and sometimes they admit, "You're probably right." It's caused people to tell me how to dress, suggest stereotypical blonde associated interests like cheerleading, men commenting that I'm no fun (two men actually admitted they thought I'd be more pleasant to be around when they first looked at me before flirting because of my hair color), and random people run their fingers through my hair without my consent to make comments on it. No one believes it's my natural hair, and perhaps this is why people assume I must be chipper, because they think it's an intentional fashion statement. They ask me why I "dyed my natural black hair blonde, it suited me better" because they subconsciously associated raven hair with a more stoic temperament.

No. 388762

>Protagonists have to do X thing
>Antagonists try to stop them and vaguely try to tell them doing X thing is bad
>X thing is indeed bad, and everyone turns on protagonists, even to the protagonists had no way to know what they were doing was bad/the antagonists never explained to them why doing X thing was bad
>Protagonists have to stop the antagonists from doing clearly evil things
>Actually the awful things the villains were doing kept a major evil from happening, and it's the fault of the protagonists for not letting the antagonists do bad things

No. 388764

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>males look nonhuman and other worldly
>females are basically humans with mild altercations because otherwise men won't find it sexy

Kek that one grinds my gears so badly, I hate that trope so much

No. 388774

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more reasons fallout is based

No. 388778

Woman is masculine ONLY because "times call for it," otherwise she'd been an average feminine woman. Just generally any trope of a tomboy/masculine woman being masculine ONLY because she was "shamed" for being feminine or she had no other alternatives. And then she HAS TO become pretty, attractive and sexy to show that she graduated from her old nasty, mannish ways.

No. 388787

I hate that too, also "woman is only masculine because she's insecure about her looks, despite her being average fiction pretty"

No. 388901

>Kills thousands of nameless mooks in search of vengeance
>Doesn't kill the target of their vengeance because vengeance is bad/if you kill your enemy you are just as bad as them/it's not worth it

No. 388902

Damn i live in scandinavia which is blonde people central so at least we don't have to deal with that here. I never thought about it being a big fashion statement for other countries (since here it's like dying your hair brown, no big deal at all) but I guess it makes sense. Being blonde in an asian country for example is going to actually stand out
Adding my own in the same vein: "average" character being described as super conventionally attractive but we're still told she's average. "She's a plain jane that the guys don't notice, with her perfectly curled hair dancing in the wind, her shiny big eyes green as emerald, plump juicy lips and slightly bigger than average tits, yet skinny with nice figure, it was easy to see why men totally ignored her and went for Slutty McSlut instead"

No. 388903

>bad guy: kills thousands of people, enslaves the entire kingdom, causes suffering for fun wherever he goes
>protag and friends the second they get the chance to kill the bad guy: "but if we kill him we're just as bad as him, so we won't uwu"
literally fuck you writer who chose this path

No. 388907

>good guy has relatives and friends
>bad guy doesn't have any family members and their 'friends' are either slaves, companions of opportunity or hired goons

No. 388915

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'bro' characters.

No. 388918

I was so close to dropping Xenoblade when the MC tells Dunban to not kill the guy who killed the heroine because it's le bad and no better than him… even though the MC is just the girl's love interest while Dunban is her brother WHO RAISED HER. But then 10 seconds later that antagonist just slips off a cliff and die while trying to backstab them one last time.

No. 388925

>I was on the receiving end of constant commentary about "smiling more," my "resting bitch face," and "bad attitude"

I dealt with this constantly although I am a brunette with a so called stoic temperament, I'm wondering if it's the way you dressed more than your hair color or something

No. 388931

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Umineko has a pretty good amount of older women as main characters who often have the story from their perspective (though not full on protagonist role sadly), granted they don't really look their age (pic is meant to be like 50) but it's the thought that counts I suppose.

No. 388932

Ngl I actually like these when they're secretly introverted or messed up.

No. 388946

These are perfect for homo pandering. Bonus points when they're coomers but it's so ridiculous that it makes them sound even gayer.

No. 388948

I like Yosuke. Ryuji is annoying and only the biggest self-insert losers like him

No. 388991

I hate them when they just exist as the butt of the joke and to make the self insert MC look better, when they are actual characters who contribute to the plot like Atsuro in DeSu they are alright

No. 389011

Obligatory fat male character. You know the creator is a faggot.

No. 389033

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Yeah if there's some spin on it I usually hate them less, but if they're like a Kamina or Ryuji style character I cannot stand them.
Too bad I like Adayu more

No. 389037

Yeah but she said all the older women she sees are in thriller/murder mysteries and depressing literature which is what Umineko is lol. In fact, the only characters who really get to engage in the fantastical elements are all (and/or presented as) young. When Eva does get to join in as a witch, she's made to be her younger self which while plot relevant still applies here

No. 389116

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Same, what irks me the most are these fat nerdy types or neckbeards trying to be all cool n' shit, knowledgeable or has some sort of significance. They're obviously self-inserts for obese manchildren.

No. 389122

I forgot the SU guys name, but he's meant to be an obnoxious dweeb that everyone kinda hates so I doubt he's a self-insert kek

No. 389161

To be fair the ones on the left are based off real people, one is Chumlee from Pawn Stars and the other one is blatantly the Hellsing/Drifters mangaka, they have the exact same name and likeness.

No. 389488

Seconding Ronaldo. He was meant to be unlikable, but helped progress the plot a bit faster by being the over explanatory nerd (foreshadowing the diamonds for lolz). He's intentionally written as Reddit incarnate.

No. 389531

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That stupid trope where kisses are somehow more "speshul" than sex. No you idiot, you are not "saving yourself" for your future nigel by refusing to engage in a basic part of foreplay but getting some rando's dick up your pussy anyways

No. 390745

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I absolutely hate it when animals/pokemon creatures act like humans.

No. 390753

Same. Sometimes it's subtle enough but it makes it look like pokemon now are mascosts more than monsters. That's why I picked the plant type starter in Shield (it's a monkey so it's a bit more believable somehow) and why I put the starter I picked in the PC box asap in Violet.

No. 390812

star butterfly only fits that if you haven't watched the show. she's not super quirky in her home world, she's more of a trendy socialite and rebellious teen. she gets sad, angry, jealous, and nervous a lot. that type exists but star is a weak example of it.

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No. 391368

token black woman being the tallest/largest/strongest of the female cast, if not more so than non-black male characters as well

No. 391384

Every time! And they're nearly always made by "anti-racism uwu" creators. They create a diverse cast, yet somehow when you line them up all the big muscly and burly ones have dark skin

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