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No. 445663

Discuss goth music, makeup, fashion that you love. People you admire, gossip, news, etc.

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>>86956

No. 445669

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I’d give anything to go back and live in the late 90s/early 2000s. Felt like the perfect time to be a goth. I cant stop watching and reading goth stuff from that time period. It’s too late for me now but that nostalgia….

No. 445672

Are there any goth women that are tomboys/butch or dress androgynous?

No. 445686

>>445672
Is there water in the ocean?
Are boar shitting and pissing in the forest?

No. 445687

>>445669
I don't that era sucked.

No. 445691

>>445686
Don't be so condescending

No. 445701

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>>445612
>But overall my sentiments align with >>445483 where I think a lot of the stuff look too tacky and costumey for me to fele to ever wear them which is funny because as someone who likes the romantic look, I've fallen for the trap of trying some of their pieces that look romantic only to not feel confident or comfortable in it at all
That's why I can't shop online. The reason I bought the Romwe top is because I could see and feel it. It hits the Romantic vibes and I think if I saw it on the internet, I wouldn't buy it. It's too much of a gamble for me, and I don't like to waste money. I'd be crushed if I bought something that looked romantic and find out the fabric was cheap or it didn't look right. The advice I can give anons who were scammed like that; get an unpicker and buy some material that you like. Unpick the shirt or whatever, and lay that garment over your chosen fabric. Cut out around the pieces and sew a new one. That might seem like a lot of effort, but if the style is right but the material is wrong, it's worth it. Trads did that in the 80s and 90s and I appreciate their dedication. I know it's easier to buy a few things from Shein or Killstar, but I feel like they enjoy scamming us.

No. 445704

>>445669
Post interesting screen caps plz

No. 445707

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>>445669
I think we tend to romanticise these eras. If you got picked on or harassed for being goth, it wasn't fun. Yes, the clothes were cool but they were expensive. I didn't like Christians chasing me down the street with a Bible to repent and come to God. There were better things like people didn't spend all their time looking at their phones. We actually hung out with friends. The music was ok but bands like Slipknot and Korn were lumped in with goth. You were still the outcast even among alt kids because goth was seen as the extreme end of the spectrum. Goths usually stuck together and it was a relief to see other goths in places because you knew you had something in common.

No. 445710

>>445707
Even if you didn't get outright picked on, you probably got excluded for being "scary" at some point. It's also nice having easier access to music and zines nowadays, even if not everyone takes advantage of it

No. 445714

>>445669
I've always felt this way too. Better music and films, usenet groups, concerts and clubs, my favorite era of video games too. Also a higher chance of meeting another "goth" kid even if they were a bit of a poser. You often see groups of goths or at the very least Marilyn Manson fans from the 90s, but I was the only vaguely alternative person at the high school I graduated from a few years ago. Sure there was bullying back then, but I was bullied too anyway and it would have been nice to have a slight chance at meeting at least one similar person. Nowadays most people who dress alternative are boring vapid egirls or pandering to 'big titty goth girl' fetishists

No. 445724

>>445710
I second that. Music wasn't easy to come by unless you knew other goths. Sometimes it was word of mouth, mostly it was magazines. But obscure bands were hard to find because they weren't picked up by magazines. That's why sites like Vampire Freaks etc were good for people to recommend music that wasn't mainstream goth. And I like how easy it is to access music. I remember it took ages to download an MP3 file with dial up internet.

No. 445735

Late '90s early '00s as being good era for goth music? Maybe if you were all about Sisters of Mercy clones. I can name only like five bands out of top of my head from these times that did not sound like ripping off SoM and side projects of it's members. I don't count bands that started in the '80s here.

No. 445739

>>445724
Despite all the shit Spotify pulls, being able to find rarities and compilations in a few clicks and listen instantly is pretty great

No. 445740

>>445672
Yeah I'm a goth butch, what do you wanna know?

No. 445758

>>445691
It's more of poking fun at idea that you have to be of specific features to enjoy gothic rock.

No. 445768

>>445739
Agreed. I'm happy I can hear music I wouldn't find otherwise. Singers who are unsigned to any label upload their songs to Bandcamp or Spotify and we get to hear them. That's really cool because they aren't pressured to be the next Robert Smith or Siouxie. They just make music for the creative outlet.

No. 445835

>>445768
There have not been a better time for gothic rock - you can start a band in South America and get listeners on another continents the same week. Unheard of in earlier times.

No. 445847

>>445740
NTA but do you wear makeup? I feel like my outfits are incomplete without at least eyeliner even when I try to dress masc

No. 445852

>>445847
Why does it even matter to you? There is no obligation to wear or to not wear anything specific. Can't you people just stop caring and just be yourself? It's about music, not the look.

No. 445856

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>>445616
>My favorite ever skirt came from a renaissance festival stall.
I've bought some cool jewellery from Ren faires. Some do leather belts or leather under bust corsets. We can make ourselves unique without looking like Killstar clones.

No. 445863

>>445835
Cemetery Siren is an independent artist who has a Bandcamp and YouTube. Back in the early 2000s it would have been difficult for her to get her music out. Let alone find a venue to perform and gain followers. It's a shame there were independent singers during those times, and hardly anyone knew of them. Now we hear about them via YT or Spotify, but usually they broke up or no longer make music.

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No. 445866

>>445758
How did you get that from what I said…? I simply wanted to see photos of butch goth women since I haven't seen that many before, and the ones I've seen were from women who did andro looks only a few times

No. 445870

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Anyone bought anything from https://www.rocknromancevintage.com/ ? Basically a lot of 1950s style designs. They look nice in the photos. No idea how items look in person and what is quality. Picrel is a random image of black stuff from their offer.

No. 445904

>>445724
>>445739
>>445768
The problem with Spotify and music in general now is that there is basically no more middleground between manufactured pop for people with empty brains and <2,000 monthly listener nobodies anymore. I would happily trade going back to CDs and magazines if it at least meant there were new bands to talk about. I feel like every time I meet other people into music, even when they're other zoomers, 95% of their recommendations are for stuff at least 15 years old.

No. 445928

>>445904
We need more zines, blogs, and newsletters run by music nerds who are willing to do the crate digging to find new bands and get them out to the more passive side of the scene. You used to be able to rely more on setlists from events too if you had a good local dj

No. 445941

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>>445669
I'm honestly split tbh. On the one hand, while I wasn't a goth in the late 90s-early 2000s as I was just a "mallgoth" lol If I were an actual goth back then, I feel I would've liked it if I knew the right people and was able to go see goth bands performing. But on the other hand, finding goth music was quite difficult compared to the turn of music social media like bandcamp and music archive sites. And not to mention all the misappropriation that goth had with so many non-goth bands being referred to as "goth". I started to learn better about goth around 2008 and I then understood why older goths were annoyed of mallgoth.

>>445707
I think you're right that maybe we do romanticize the earlier eras but it's tough not to if you lived through it, the more significant thing about the 90s and early-mid 00s was that it was final decades before the world got swept by social media. It existed, we had LiveJournal and MySpace but they were more like passing things and not used in a way like how TikTok is used. And of course we can still kinda live like those times, well try to anyway by hanging out with our friends in person if life hasn't gotten too busy. Unfortunately for many of us, life did get busy and we lost touch of friends and it can tough trying to make time to meet new people if your own life is busy plus the rising cost of things like gas and all that, it's kinda depressing lol.
And even though we did get picked on and bullied, I really did like that sense of camaraderie that alt kids had. School life could be tough but if you had that small but tight group, it made things so much more bearable and fun.

>>445714
>Nowadays most people who dress alternative are boring vapid egirls or pandering to 'big titty goth girl' fetishists
I so feel this. I used to work at a grocery store and I remember a few times whenever I would see someone who looked alt, I would compliment and try to have a brief conversation about music. I still remember one of them who looked like a goth exclaim she didn't know who Sisters of Mercy or Rosetta Stone were but she really liked Ghost and was a Swifty… Not that it's wrong to like non-alt music or anything but it's rare when I find other people who are into goth rock or even alt rock these days. I know they are out there but they seem to rarer to find as each year passes. I think it's partly because rock music in general is not really popular anymore which makes me feel even older and I'm only in my early 30s lol.

No. 445951

>>445941
>I still remember one of them who looked like a goth exclaim she didn't know who Sisters of Mercy or Rosetta Stone
You could have had same adventure back in the '90s and even more likely in the'80s. The look is deceptive and many of looks we consider today as "obviously tradgoth" were in fact generic punky looks that were sported also by "regular punks" including these who never listened to any gothic rock band (or whatever was term used in their area for what we call gothic rock today).

No. 445972

>>445941
>I still remember one of them who looked like a goth exclaim she didn't know who Sisters of Mercy or Rosetta Stone were but she really liked Ghost and was a Swifty…
i've had similar experiences, i had a coworker who was a self-proclaimed corp goth (still love her to death) who considered aisha erotica goth and was mad that our local goth club wouldn't play her on request.

No. 445976

>>445928
Absolutely but more than that, we need a way to actually get people to follow those types of things again.

No. 445982

>>445951
At this point, even if the person didn't actually listen to goth music but listened to punk and alternative music, I would gladly take that over what I see nowadays because at least they listen to some kind of rock music and it would be a nice experience to connect on that lol

No. 445988

>>445972
ayesha erotica is a man

No. 445994

>>445988
yeah i know he's a tranny, that was a typo i didn't notice.

No. 446044

>>445856
A local renaissance faire in my state has a "thrift shop" booth. It carries pre-owned clothes from actual renn faire shops and brands, but also a bunch of normal clothes that can be worked into garb. Peasant tops, flowy skirts, corset style tops, accessories. I try to buy some stuff while I'm there. I also trawl thrift stores near me.

I have a pinterest board with some goth or alt looks that I like, so I often try to look for pieces that are close to those inspiration pics to help guide me. I work in an office-y job so corporate goth or "cardigan goth" (not a real thing, I know) are phrases I also keep in mind for more wearable but dark stuff.

No. 446090

>>446044
I live in thrift stores. When I have my lunch break I go there and I have found some really good stuff. You could try Freecycle.org too. People give away things they don't want. You can post that you're looking for something as well. Flea markets are another option. Some churches have clothing giveaways. I think these are better options than shopping on Depop or Vinted. People are getting greedy and charging way too much for name brand clothes.

No. 446106

>>445928
I would love to write a music blog or zine, but anytime I try to write about music, idk what to say other than I like it. I don't know the technical side of things very much, so that limits my ability already, but even still a lot of music journalism I have read just sounds incredibly vapid and cliche, and I wouldn't want to repeat the same issues in my own writing, so I just don't. I think it also gets harder now that there are so many niche subgenres, even outside of goth music, that it is hard to properly categorize songs into them, so I wouldn't want to write and have ppl mad at me for making a mistake.

No. 446256

Do your scene have people who never go to any afterparties? It's kinda sad to see how many people do not stay even a half of an hour to them in my scene. I understand than we could have in one city as many events per month as some countries have in a whole year, but c'mon…

No. 446387

>>445847
I don’t wear makeup because it’s more counterculture to not wear any these days. Especially when dark makeup is so accesible now. Maybe the only true goth look you can do now is rub a stick of charcoal on your face.

No. 446398

>>446387
I was actually watching a history video on makeup and I had to internally laugh when it got to Kat Von D and I kid you not but the person said she was the one who pioneered and popularized "goth makeup". Mind you this person didn't even talk about goth musicians like Siouxsie, Robert Smith, Patricia Morrison, and/or Monica Richard who were known for some of their makeup looks and actually are a part of the goth scene, well Patricia and Monica anyway since Siouxsie moved on.

Anyway I say this because your comment on how dark makeup is so accesible made me think of that video and what it said about Kat Von D's makeup brand and how back in the day you hd lots of people raving how goth they were for wearing her products when actual goths couldn't care less about it but to the masses, buying Kat Von D brand is like so goff.

No. 446408

>>446387
>>446398
reminded me of

No. 446420

>>446387
Been thinking this too lately. These days the most I sometimes go for is some quick and messy powder or cream kohl tightlining, no foundation. The novelty of not having to wait until Halloween to get the right colors wore off.

No. 446422

>>446387
i like to do nik fiend looking makeup, messy and melty, but i mainly go without makeup as well.

No. 446908


No. 446926

>>446908
It was an okay song but I wouldn't personally tink of it as a goth song but it is some groovy dark synthwave. Shame though because some goth style guitars would've really sounded nice with that song and the band clearly knows of that style of guitar as they used it in this song (vidrel).

But as is, some fun synthwave and I can see it being a hit on the dancefloor.

No. 446932

>>446422
If I did feel inclined to do makeup I would either do that look or apply a light amount of dark blue eyeshadow to my lips and dark circles to look more dead. People seem to forget that the pint of the makeup is to look dead, not like a drag queen.

No. 446934

>>446932
Dead drag queen look is classic

No. 446936

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>>446932
Are you like the whole one nona in this threads that has problem with drag makeup despite it being widespread in punk?

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No. 446964

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As a non goth I wanted to share my goth experience. My friend at the time a few years ago took me to a goth concert. It was a bunch of bands playing the strangest sounding music to my kpop loving ass and people dancing in the oddest way. At first i was so uncomfortable because it was so dark and the dude sounded like he was crying on stage. But quickly I started having fun. I had the BEST time of my life. I felt so free. I didn’t worry about dancing weird because we all were. I felt like I developed abs becauseI was laughing and dancing so much. I never felt so happy to be alive. By the end of the concert a girl came up to me and even called me pretty. I complimented her too. I was shocked because I’m pretty sure I was dressed like a normie’s version of a goth. It was so nice. I’ve always wanted to go back but I don’t have friends anymore smh. But I swear it was the best time I ever had in my life. I just want to thank you Goths for making me feel welcomed that night. I wanted all of your shoes.

No. 446975

>>446408
>Made his shirt and pendant
>I don't try to be goth
>Goth isn't a fashion statement, it's a lifestyle
That's what our subculture was before Kat Von D and others turned goth into a brand. I remember the goth kids in my group doing what he did; take a basic t-shirt or jeans and cut it up. Draw on it, sew around it, make it their own thing. Not perfect Killstar and Doll's Kill outfits. It's fine to look nice, but damn I miss those times. Now anyone can wear black and listen to Taylor Swift and call themselves goth. We've let them get away with it for too long.

No. 447025


No. 447029

>>446975
On the contrary, I don't think we've let them get away, a lot of us have no problem calling these people posers and not feeling ashamed for it because that's literally what they are regardless of how much they whinge about being called one. And because these posers don't go to goth concerts or clubs much, we thankfully don't have to deal with them too much as it's mostly an online thing a lot of the time.

No. 447034

>>447029
It's like how lolita fashion back in the day had a lifestyle component, but the nerds didn't want to give up their nerdshit so they ruleslawyered it until it became just an aesthetic shell rather than a subculture. Normies want to join in on the goth aesthetics fun but they don't want to do the work to embrace the lifestyle so they try to make the uncomfortable lifestyle side go away.

No. 447098

>>447034
Western branch devolved into wearing exclusively few brands that all look alike. They became an army of clones that differ only by color scheme and print patterns.

No. 447172

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Has anyone else heard about this or other labels pulling a stunt like this? Any label recs that have stated they won't be using AI. It just seems so antithetical to the spirit of goth. For a scene that is so diy and started from the punk movement, it's gross.

No. 447232

>>446964
This is so lovely, thankyou for sharing sweet normalchan

No. 447263

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I'm trying to find a shoe for everyday that still fits my look. But after looking at so many options I'm undecided which one of those look best. Any ideas?
also nico was kind of proto goth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87jYbzHPZOM

No. 447268

>>447263
I have shoes that look like the upper right and they go with everything because they’re really neutral but slick looking so you can dress them up or down. Not a goth but I think this advice is universal so please forgive me

No. 447287

>>447263
Why not regular Chelsea boots (one of tradgoth classics) but some weird modern mutation that would age like shit in just few years? In previous thread there were examples of so many different classic shoes/boots.

No. 447288

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>>447287
example

No. 447356

>>447172
Lebanon Hanover, This Cold Night, Rosetta Stone, Skeletal Family and probably a lot more I don't know about all have released singles in the last year that used AI for the cover. I've also been recommended some new goth artists with generic music and no faces attached so I'm paranoid about the possibility that they're fake and a product of AI.

No. 447432

>>447263
lower middle if you're into the military-inspired look

No. 447462

>>447263
Honestly I have a pair similar to the top left and bottom middle. Personally I wear the chelsea boot style for when I want things to look a little more dressy but still casual (though they can also work for dressy as well) and the combat boot looking ones for when I want to go for something more casual. If you're someone who is more casual, I'd go with lower middle.

No. 447463

>>447356
Man this is is really depressing to hear tbh. I mean as annoying as it that actually established goth bands have resorted to using AI art instead of making it themselves or commissioning an artist to do it, the existence of AI goth music really depresses me because you know it'll catch on like wildfire with a lot of people who are too lazy to learn how to play actual music. AI "art" already looks soulless and to add music to that mix? I don't even want to entertain that…

No. 447505

>>446936
Disregard my previous comment then. I guess I never thought of this type of makeup as drag makeup, rather new wave or New Romantic makeup. I’m thinking of modern drag makeup that makes a caricature of 80s goth makeup. The type that is too neat and pigmented.

No. 447507

>>447029
>posers don't go to goth concerts or clubs much
At least where I live, they use it as photo ops for instagram. Clubs are used as networking opportunities for fetish models and egirls with only fans. Concerts are for scene cred. It’s so sad.

No. 447528

>>447505
>The type that is too neat and pigmented.
It's hard to not have much more pigmented makeup than it was back in the '80s. Even cheap drugstore stuff is nowadays more pigmented than most of stuff you could get back then. Stuff was very matte back then and on darker side. Even in case of neon colored palettes. Modern eyeshadows are much more vibrant, intense and saturated.

No. 447546

I keep dreaming about going to goth concerts or goth clubs, I hate my country so fucking much why isn't there a scene
At most there are some punk and metal but absolutely no goth, I want a scene so hard I don't care if it's filled with posers or whatever

No. 447649

>>447507
Damn that sucks to hear. I haven't been to the goth club after covid but the last times I went, I didn't really see this all that much but tbf, I don't live in a big metropolitan. That sounds annoying though, I'm sorry to hear that.

No. 447692

>>447546
do you have an electronic/industrial scene going on? if so you can try going there since it's at least somewhat goth-adjacent and i did see goths there

No. 447948

>>447507
London?

No. 448004

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>>445498
>It feels like a lot more mainstream clothes could be remixed into something goth back in the '90s and '00s. I remember being able to pick up romantic tops with dramatic sleeves like what you've posted, Victorian-looking jewelry, quality velvet and lace, flowing skirts, and interesting boots at department stores.
This. I remember some shops like Target, K-Mart, or even Kohl's selling romantic tops. It wasn't marketed to us, but you could totally make it work in a goth wardrobe. If if was cotton I would dye them burgundy or black. I had a top like picrel that was black and it went with everything. Long dusters were easy to come by and cotton maxi dresses or skirts looked very romantic year round. I remember some shops selling pointed toe boots for autumn. I really miss those days.

No. 448086

>>448004
>I remember some shops selling pointed toe boots for autumn. I really miss those days.

In Europe pointed warmer shoes and boots are still around for almost 7 years now (and some models been always around) in pretty much every shoe oriented brand in female sections of every mall. So I do not get the whole "I cannot find pointy shoes" comments that regularly appear online. Are they even trying? Choices are literally plenty. It's males that have hard time finding pointy shoes outside of riding/western/motorcycle style brands which are rarely featured in your typical shoe selling shops.

No. 448087

>>448086
Also as I see Walmart also has plenty of options. https://www.walmart.com/c/kp/pointed-toe-boots

No. 448089

>>448086
Heck, even bell crop tops are available there
https://www.walmart.com/search?q=bell+crop+top

Are you nonas even trying?

No. 448091

>>448089
Well no, because I prefer to get my clothes from the thrift store rather than from Walmart

No. 448093

>>448091
The discussion was about shops.

No. 448095

>>448086
It’s got a lot to do with the quality of these items, and the cuts. NTA but it really isn’t the same as it used to be quality wise.

No. 448099

>>448095
OK still plenty of EU made decent quality shoes with pointy toe if you don't like Made in China are available online (no idea how many of them ship to the USA tho). And you have western boots made in the US and Mexico of decent quality that would fit goth wardrobe just well. I kinda envy US goths how easy access they have to them.

No. 448164

>>448095
Exactly. It's the style that I miss as well. Some of those pointy boots had a witchy feel to it, instead of the generic look that you see now. The quality has gone down a lot as companies choose cheaper materials. Back then the clothing/shoes were made like someone cared. Now it's like they slap it together to make quick money. Finding quality items online is a gamble because you can't actually touch it. Or they charge ridiculous amounts for it by labelling it 'goth', Y2K etc.

No. 448273

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>>448164
I think this would be the reason for Zoomers reviving the 90s with 'whimsy goth'. When the runways started doing goth or witch themes, every store tried to copy it. More than likely this is the reason the 1990s-2000s carried that sort of style.

No. 448290

I've been noticing an increasing number of "tradgoths" online wearing wigs instead of teasing their actual hair, and I was wondering what you nonna's thought of it? Personally it annoys me, I get that brushing out teased hair is painful and annoying, but I can't help but feeling the people who do that immediately take it off when they're aren't taking photos/videos to take online. I don't think you need look alternative to be a goth, but something about only halfway doing it really gets on my nerves. Maybe it's because when you're outwardly alternative with piercings and weird hair and tattoos you can't just take it off to run to grocery store, idk.

No. 448314

>>448290
>I've been noticing an increasing number of "tradgoths" online wearing wigs instead of teasing their actual hair, and I was wondering what you nonna's thought of it?

My reaction is XD/10 Unless they have no hair because of natural reasons or are aiming at hairstyles impossible to achieve with natural hair/hairline like in rococo era. As far as I care they could wear even 20 wigs layered as long as they are into music. I find it entertaining but that's up to them. I would guess it's a transplant from more recent incarnation of lolita fashion. I agree that it has a "part timer" feel to it like wearing tall laced combat boots with a freaking zipper (there were times in my scene and in other alt subcultures in same country when wearing combat boots with zipper was an epitome of being a poseur). It takes some effort to learn styling tradgoth puffy batnests. It also takes a character to withstand criticism of sporting such haircuts.

No. 448330

>>448290
I think that it's kinda cool seeing how these people make those hairstyles out of wigs, it's quite creative and at this point in time I can understand if someone doesn't want to fry their hair. But I also understand how it can give a part-timer to even poser vibe. Like the person only made the wig to film their TikTok video, then plop it off and put it in their closet not wearing it again until they film their next TikTok video or Instagram photo.

That being said, my sentiment mirrors >>448314 where so long as they genuinely like the music and it's not some costume used to get "cool" points for attention on their social media, it's all good.

No. 448346

>>448290
There was a time in my teen years when I had a wig. My dad would not let me dye my hair black. He thought it was too extreme. I thought if it wasn't black it wasn't goth enough. I think if TikTokers are wearing teased wigs it's a sign of le poseur. It's kinda how I saw blonde goths. Imo it was a mark of part time goth, because all you'd have to do is remove the dark makeup and you're normie again. Every once in awhile I'll give my hair a break from dying and wear a wig. It's usually for a few months so my hair stops falling out, or do treatments to strengthen it. I don't have to wear a wig, but I don't like my red roots showing. Besides in the winter it's nice to have a warm head without getting hat hair.

No. 448349

>>448346
You are definitely not alone in thinking that. I've caught some shit at goth events before for showing up as blonde.

No. 448351

>>448290
i don't blame them, teasing natural hair is really hard specially when you have straight or wavy hair, plus it makes it break so easily. using a wig you can get a nice batnest without damaging your hair

No. 448357

>>448351
Hair teasing isn't hard lmao. Countless rural teens of the 80s with zero YouTube or tiktok tutorials learned to do it and do it properly. No bleach or perms either.

No. 448367

>>448357
tangling your hair like crazy isn't the hard part, the challenge is to keep it like that for hours. i have wavy hair and it always comes back to its own form like an hour later

No. 448379

>>448367
Same. My hair is curly and tends to bounce back to its natural state. The best I can do is not brush it for a few days to get a tousled look. My hair has a mind of its own and I've learned to stop fighting it.

No. 448469

>>448357
Maybe for you teasing your hair is easy and for others it's impractical. Wigs are a fun option for individual self expression. Having options should be seen as a good thing and another avenue to enjoy life. I remember going black and how bad it looked but with wigs I could mess with tone and texture to create something that matched the day. Hairfalls and wigs were pretty common in the mid 90's to early 00's. No one is less goth because of finding a form of self expression, remember it's a music based subculture. The fashion should be an extension of you, not a uniform.

No. 448470

I have learned to backcomb pretty thick wavy hair without straightener or crimper. Numerous 80's stars were sporting very curly teased hair too. Hot air from hairdryer and strong ass hairspray helps a lot. So does zillion of layers.

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No. 448481

Is teased hair really that rebellious if it was an exaggerated version of what was popular at the time?

No. 448484

>>448481
You can say that about most aspects of punk fashion

No. 448499

>>448481
If anything it's more rebellious now than it was then since sleek and flat hair is more popular, whilst people seemed to embrace having puffier larger hair in the 80s.

No. 448573

>>448346
>My dad would not let me dye my hair black. He thought it was too extreme.
Kek man this kinda takes me back though for me, it was my mom who wouldn't let me dye my hair black, my dad was indifferent but my mom got final say and it wasn't until I was about 16 where she finally let me. It's just funny how back in the late 90s and 00s, dying your hair black was considered "extreme", I wonder if it's still like that now?

That said, I can understand why one would think that someone who only wears a black wig but keeps their hair a natural blonde color could read as a poser in the term of a "part-timer" but personally, I try not to judge on that stuff so long as the person actually listens to and likes the music.

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>>448573
>It's just funny how back in the late 90s and 00s, dying your hair black was considered "extreme", I wonder if it's still like that now?
As far as teenagers go, I'm not sure. I see some with dyed hair but most seem pretty average. The ones who are alt or goth bordering have purple or blue hair. I haven't seen many with black hair, which is interesting.

>but keeps their hair a natural blonde color could read as a poser in the term of a "part-timer"

I had some strong views about what goth is when I was a teen. It had to be black or nothing. But I eventually relaxed on those ideas. I could wear a purple skirt if I wanted to. Goths could have brown or blonde hair if they wanted(but I still think black looks better). They could look like one of the Cretins from Class Of Nuke'em High so long as they listen to the music. Because like we've all said, goth is a music based subculture.

No. 448829

>>448818
In my town (US), the older crowd tends to have black, bleached, or natural hair, or the shaved balding cope for men. The younger goths who actually go to shows have black hair or wigs while general alt and gendies have fading colorful hair. I saw a lot more bright colorful hair when I was visiting the UK, and on a wider age range.

No. 448935

Ah ye, stereotypical Y2K myths of being goth:
- thou shall be slim as skeleton
- thou shall be naturally pale like chalk
- thou shall have naturally raven black hair
- thou shall sleep in coffin

If you have been a teen back in these days you had a pretty high chance of believing at least one of these nonsense.



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